The NBA needs a TRUE Definition of “SUPERSTAR”
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Those fools literally just naming players they liked. There was no logic in their picks.
That with most things unfortunately
Same thing i thought had me out here agreeing with Rashad
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Wemby is a superstar already
Y’all doing the same thing this generation don’t have many superstars right before magic and bird it was the samething
It’s a crazy day if Rashad Mccants is the only one spitting😭🤦🏿♂️
Agreeing with McCants got me sick to my stomach. I can’t breathe
😂😂😂
@@socorio4100nah fr got me thinking maybe smthn wrong with my opinion bc im agreeing w him for once😭
He's so horrible 😭
Saying Luka isnt a star is WILD. Im not even a huge Luka fan but crazy seeing this man catching strays for no reason when all he has been doing is playing like a monster.
He white so they aint like him 👍
Luka IS a star, he isn’t a superstar. I think they lost track of the conversation lmao
@@parmeetsingh1636how is he not ?
@@parmeetsingh1636Luka and Jokic are 2 best players in the league you perkins type people cant stop crying about it😂
@Indescribablyarrogant Luka is very talented but nothing that he's done are has to offer that would lead a team to even appear in the Finals. Jokic far supercedes him.
Bro you know somethings wack when Rashad Mccants is the voice of reason and logic about basketball.
As soon as Gil said Steve Francis i lost it LMFAO
Edit: oh my god I didn’t expect my comment to get this much traction 😮 appreciate y’all
No one expected that 😂
See he lost me at an even higher tier when he said Vince but Steve Francis being a superstar is insane
Stevie franchise was the guy for a lil moment bra
After he said that the whole conversation should have been over😂😂😂
Did he forget Wade and Kobe were in the league?
This man Gil be having some CRAZY TAKES. Steve Francis is a superstar but somehow Giannis ain't 😂😂
Bruhhh I’m crying 😂😂😂
Giannis is 10000x more famous than Steve Francis💀
Gil is wild what happened to him
Steve is famous overseas
Steve Francis not even more famous than Giannis in Maryland 😂
Gil being Gilly once again
Gilbert Arenas is polarizing and amusing at times.
He got quite a reaction out of Low here.
@@fortynights1513No Gil is just stupid
No way Gil said the reigning finals mvp and two time mvp a fringe star 😂
Gil is openly racist. Jokic isn't "for the culture", simple as that. It's the same reason AI gets put into conversations he doesn't belong in.
Because they swept the Lakers in the playoffs 😂😂😂
@@idahoandude3284”for the culture” mentality hilarious af, because not a single dude with that mindset is a champion
He is though what is so hard to comprehend about it. He’s in no commercials media never talks about him. This isn’t a “on the court” conversation. Stars and superstars go beyond the court. I’m not sure why everyone doesn’t understand this. His jersey sales aren’t even that high.
@@djnes2k7hit it on the head jokic not marketable not a overwhelming number of ppl buying tickets when the nuggets come to they town to see him play he a star tho just off production alone
A guy wins two MVPs, a DPOY and a Finals MVP........yea he is definitely a real good role player. Faxxctsx
He literally the Lead Vote Getter for the Allstar Game.
superstar to me means someone who has transcended the sport. people who couldn't care less about what you play/do, yet are quite familiar with who you are. being the best player in the league, winning, accumulating accomplishments, etc... do not automatically guarantee you to transcend out to the greater general public.
Well said 🔥
I completely agree the superstar word is just thrown around too freely it's alot of all stars in the league not superstars
If that’s the case then there have only ever been maybe 10 fucking superstars: Lebron, Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, Steph, Magic, Bird, KD, and AI. Maybe Kareem and Wilt.
True, I think people get caught up in the words used. If they listened to the first 2 players mentioned, Bron & Curry, they’d understand stardom in more than the sport. Its influence
yea and steve francis is one of those players , like @DirtyDev said there would only be like 8-10 players that would be in that conversation.@@ShowtimeDon
Superstar has always had two meanings.
Either you are must watch TV like rose, kyrie, and Westbrook were.
Or you are a player to build a franchise around and in the conversation for the best in the world
Two terms that people interpret differently.
Top tier team centerpiece or top tier popularity.
Those that nobody would debate were both.
Giannis is undoubtedly a superstar by all metrics so is KD lol
@@AceTheCap823luka as well
@AceTheCapo823 neither of Giannis and kd don't move the money metric
@@Cyrus-rodn45 you just lied lol Giannis:
- Lead the league in all star votes this year
- Been top 2-4 in all star votes since 2018/2019
- Been top 3-5 in jersey sales since 2018/2019
- Was top 5 in total views across all nba platforms last year
-Was confirmed by Nike in multiple shareholder earnings calls to not only be onna Nike Basketball’s biggest money makers currently but also had Nike’s largest initial signature silhouette launch in history
- Had a Disney+ movie and had another on Amazon Prime coming out
- Tied with KD for 3rd in endorsement earnings among nba players with 45M (Steph had 52M and Bron was 75M)
Brah Giannis:
-Lead the league in all star votes
-Been top 2-4 in all star votes since 2018/2019
-Been top 3-5 in jersey sales since 2018/2019
-Top 5 is total views across all nba platforms last year
-Confirmed by Nike to have the most successful initial launch of a signature line in history and was confirmed to be onna Nike’s best money makers
-Had a collab with Drake and been name dropped in songs a bunch
-Had a Disney+ movie and another one on Amazon Prime comin out soon
- Was tied with KD for 3rd in endorsement earnings at 45M (Steph was 52M and Bron was 75M)
Unless Lebron and Steph is your minimum bar for what a superstar is, Giannis is 1000% a superstar….so are KD, JT, and Luka Gil is just wrong
Nah bro all ur facts are wrong. Steve Francis is the bar of super stardom
@@FGPlusmb bro😭😭😭
Kd and Devin booker are not superstar they both playing on the same team and are 6th seed
Agree with everyone you stated except Tatum. Someone who chokes and is as inconsistent as him isn’t a superstar
@@SiriusV21 that’s fair, I was just takin into consideration off the court pull only cuz that’s the logic Gil was using but I agree wit you
he said steve francis with a straight face 🤣🤣🤣
Rashad Mccants will always have my respect just bc he isn't a sheep. Bro gon say and do whatever tf it is he feel and he goin stand on it. The man is always outnumbered😂
Star: everybody who watches basketball knows he’s that guy
Superstar: household name to people who don’t even watch basketball
To add to this. i see it as
star: they are all-star at some point of their career. Most basketball heads know they nice
superstar: usually always an all star selection/ usually the face of thier respected teams. More known to the public.
MegaStar: they usually the face of the NBA/ when you bring up the word NBA/basketball they are metion/ worldwide persona. usually only 1-2 at any given decade.
If that’s the bar than there’s only been like 4-8 superstars in league history, and I just don’t agree
@@smokey949 I always thought that superstar and megastar was the same it’s just some superstars are more famous than others. Matter of fact I don’t think I’ve ever heard the term mega star ever
@@smokey949megastar isn't a thing. They're just superstars with better marketability. There are superstar talents that fade to obscurity because of small market teams/lack of social presence.
Luka is 100% a superstar, like Dirk and Timmy D were. Just in a market that isn't considered high stakes and universally reputable.
LeBron and Steph are legacy superstars, due to their established names and consistent production that still spans today.
There are nba STARS, with the talent of possible superstars, but lack the cultural and league impact to be in that tier. That's for the ANT, SGA, Spida type players.
Usually the biggest indicator of a superstar is contextually a combination of individual production, team success directly attributed to that production, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, how it translates into the postseason.
The current NBA superstars are LeBron, Steph, Giannis, Luka, Embiid (still on fraud watch tho), Tatum, and Jokic
SGA is VERY close. He needs a good playoff run to push him over the top. Same for ANT.
@@AceTheCap823to me those would be MJ, Lebron, Shaq, Kobi, AI, . . . Who else?
they’re are two definitions of superstars that im fine with:
1.) players that can transcend basketball and are/were popular outside of the sport. people like kobe, bron, curry, magic, jordan, etc..
2.) players who are floor raisers & who *can* be the best player on a championship team. so jokic, giannis, KD, embiid, etc..
those two definitions are what i can see people calling “superstars”
Take Embiid out of there 😂😂😂
@@jordancromwell definitely not. yes he underperforms & isn’t always reliable but he’s definitely a floor raiser & when he’s healthy, is looked at to be the best player on a contender. if he’ll ever show it? idk. but he’s a definite superstar
Being a superstar isn't only about how well you play basketball or your ability to sell arena tickets about your importance in popular culture. How much you can sell outside of basketball, your importance in public consciousness... A superstar is well known even to people who do not watch or know much about your sport.
💯💯. You need clout to be a superstar, but luckily the best players in the world have that clout so ye..
Jokic is a superstar but he don’t sell jerseys in America
Tim Duncan is the 3rd best player of all time and he ain’t got 0 clout and he was definitely a Superstar so wassup
So players who are objectively great but aren’t flashy or marketable aren’t “superstar” players?
A lot of people didn't understand the conversation, then Gil kinda switched it up the next day and I tapped out.
McCants is actually correct, as rare as that is.
Gilbert wasn't winning anything healthy or not
@Grafikuniverse That's true, Gil's style and mentality about the game weren't really built on winning or deep playoffs runs.
Gil really has put him self on the GOAT trajectory of bad takes. His Ausar Thompson comments were hilarious, but "VC was a superstar and Giannis isn't" is just genuinely unhinged lol
TMac was in hella commercials when I was younger. Thats superstar
GILL STOOOOOP 😂😂😂
I'm a new backetball fan, and a few months ago the only players I knew about were Lebron and Curry, so I think that guy has a point. But maybe he's mistaking superstar with mainstream personality.
Everybody on Rockets when Yao was playing was a superstar in China 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
A superstar to me is a player who can be named by people that don't watch the sport. You have become synonymous with the sport.
When Rashad is looking like the most sensible person in the room talking about basketball you got a problem
I thought Gil was gonna say Steve Nash
but then he said Steve Francis 😂😂😂
Gil almost made me choke on my food when said Steve Francis 😂😂😂😂........ WHAT!!!!😂😂😂😂
Imo, off court aura or the ability to win you a chip makes you a superstar. Thats why i think players like embiid, jokic, luka, lebron, curry, giannis, (brunson has potential, wemby smd idgaf what yall say), and even ja are the only superstars in the league.
"ability to win to win a chip" than u put wemby
I see what you're saying and I agree with the ability to win being a superstar and when it comes to Wemby I'd say he has the superstar name but his play isn't Superstar just yet
@@lbape to be fair he said of court Aura is one of them and tbh Wemby does have that it's just his play isn't superstar level yet
They aren’t talkin about stats, stats don’t make you a superstar. They make you a basketball star A super star is a player who is Omni present in pop culture, a person who even if you don’t follow Bball, you know them i.e. Jordan, Lebron, Curry etc. it’s more of a pop culture thing than sport thing honestly
Wembanyama.
The NBA isn’t nearly as popular as it used to be. I don’t think the NBA has a single transcendent star that makes non fans want to watch. It’s why viewership keeps going down. MJ was the most famous person on the planet when he played. There isn’t a current NBA player that comes even remotely close to being that famous and ubiquitous.
Wembanyama. @@cotati76
Steve Francis?
Starting a petition right now to get Low on Gilbert’s podcast
“Superstar” is about popularity
Nah, I fell over laughing when Gil said Steve Francis and LOW researched him 😂 🤣. Omfg these niggas just chatting haha 😄
Being named Gilbert can lead you to being obsessed with AURA.
This was the muddy version. Watch the episode after this one for a cleaner explanation. Basically they have 3 categories: star, super star and mega star. They have Bron and Curry as the only current mega star. Tatum is a super star on the mega star path. Along with Ja & Luka. And then they have a bunch of stars including Jokic and the rest.
This episode is like a rough cut version of what they really mean. Because even I pointed out what they should have said to define it properly. Then Gil himself did so that same night on a stream and the next episode. The follow up episode made way more sense.
Ja shouldn’t be superstar. Jokic should be super star by that definition.
@@bullshark3771 Ja is a super star cause he's young talented and marketable. Without him his team doesn't go far. Jokic lacks the marketing part, he has everything else including the chip. But despite that if companies had to pick between the two... 9/10 they pick Ja
So basically you're saying they chop up the vid to gather attention with "controversy". Then folks go on their channel and actually watch the vid and there's more clarity to the clip
@@jeremybrown9611 Nah they just hadn't defined things very well. Kenyon and Gil knew what they both meant, but comprehension was apparently difficult in a lot of other places...
@@jeremybrown9611 are you high? Jokic is as marketable as it gets. People love his personality and find him funny and fun to watch. Maybe he isn’t posterizing people but he’s also not getting suspended a week after coming back. Teams would take Ja 2/10 times. Ja is 24 Jokic is 28. The age difference isn’t massive like 34 and 23 or something. People are souring on Ja due to antics and like Jokic as he’s seen as an underdog finally proving the haters wrong.
10:37 boy, I laughed the same exact way when i heard that bullshit 🤣🤣🤣
I actually agree that there are only 2 real superstars in NBA, LBJ and Steph because even the utmost casuals and people who dont even follow the NBA know about them. KD is borderline superstar imho. For me superstar is is a player whose fame transcends NBA fanbase and knowledge that even people who dont even care about NBA are aware of them. If we are bound by NBA circle(jerk) then there are plenty of superstars, but for me superstar requires global appeal and fame.
Also fuk Gil, that dude shouldnt be even allowed to talk about NBA and BBal.
Your response on Steve Francis begin a superstar was mad funny. LOL!!!
I am from Europe, from 2000-2008, i lived in multiple countries here all in Europe, almost every child, knew vince carter and t-mac, all we bought as merch was vince, t-mac and allen iversion not even shaq or kobe
same here bro, everybody loved tmac and vc
Yeah LOW just kinda has no idea in that aspect he doesn’t know about Yao Ming lmao
Boy you know you sound crazy when McCants cooking you 😂😂😂
As soon as he said Joker wasn't a superstar, nothing Gilbert said in this vid was worth listening to
Literally
1:02 correct. Superstar means “Must See TV”. Steph and Lebron are must see tv they create an expectation that everytime you see them play you will see greatness. The other guys don’t quite have it. There are some guys that are close but they aren’t box office. Many of them will be forgotten the same way Carmelo, T Mac, Dwights, Isaiah Thomas and so many others aren’t remembered. If Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett didn’t have shows people would have forgotten about them too. You don’t forget the Allen Iverson, Kobe Bryant, Micheal Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson or Shaq because they were superstars. There are a lot of star players but superstars are immortal.
Gil saying Steve Francis reminds me of Max Kellerman betting on Iguodola 😂
Never in my life did I thought I would be praising and agreeing with a man with a crown on his head
jersey sales if flawed since i think we having a convo on clout outside nba fans so like the average person who dont care for the nba. they know steph and bron. i dont think the average person really knows tatum is. kd i think got a chance. then we can debate like booker and dame but bron and curry clears and kd is close eveyerone in this convo is distant
Don't understand how this isn't graspable for people...
I think popularity does have a part in what makes a superstar.
A superstar is the tier of player that could be an allstar starter and fan vote has a lot to do with whos can be an all star starter.
If you have started in multiple all star games, then you're likely a superstar player
how he gon tell gil who was a superstar in HIS playin time
Based on Gil's own criteria... No he wasn't
I would say Gil was more all-star than superstar
@@Okkotsu86275nah for his peak for like 3-4 years he was a superstar. He was unstoppable
@@gotworcsmh, a dude that only got to the 2nd round once in his prime is a superstar now? He never even sniffed MVP or 1st team honors. Gilbert was never a superstar.
@@gotworc I mean only if you have an extremely low bar for who is considered a superstar. In terms of an actual superstar, no, he wasn’t.
Nahhhh he aint just say Steve Francis 😂😂😂
Some random dude in some random place on the planet who's never really watched basketball or followed the NBA shouting "Kobe" as he throws trash into a bin in 2024 is the conversation that Gil and Kenyon are having...
And I guarantee yu they know Giannis, jokic, kd, Luka, and Tatum before they kno Steve Francis 😂
That's really what a superstar is to my knowledge.. if my late mom knew who a player was would have mostly meant that he was famous outside of just basketball.. and my mom was a real deal ball player in high school and after
@@41bengal would yu say that Steve Francis is one of those ppl
@@DerQuanDoucett Yes, Steve Francis' place in this conversation is literally his fame amongst what would have been at the time, 1/7th of this planet's population...
@@innovance3788 was Steve Francis a star at his time? Ofc I wouldn’t say that but superstar is pushing it. If being popular is all yu need to be a superstar than it’s like 10 players who are superstars
Superstar is like a Hollywood actor/actress that you can market worldwide. Not just in US. Vince and TMac was famous even in Asia. Kobe was like in the Superstar+.
Bruh Yao Ming had 350 million votes for all star selections. He was definitely a superstar 😂 popularity definitely is a part of superstardom
If you’re gonna tell me Yao Ming was a superstar over Tim Duncan u a bozo
Superstar in China yes.
@@christopheranderson1052I mean I agree, but Timmy d was a ducked off player he had superstar skill but not superstar fame.
@@moeski17 yea and imagine saying the guy with an entire country behind him isn’t a superstar 😂
@@FeaRDirTy Not a whole country 1/8 of the planets population....
Also people thinking Steve Francis is ridiculous name to bring out, but forget he played with Yao....
I think what they mean are players that’s transcend past basketball
Into pop culture where somebody who doesn’t watch would know
Like Kobe, mj, Dennis Rodman
Less to do with talent more marketability
Facts Steph and Lebron thats it,Kenyon Martin cooked on that one. Only superstars in history are Magic/Bird/Dr J/MJ/Shaq/Kobe/Iverson/Bron/Steph (HM Wilt,Kareem,Yao Ming,KD,Luka,Giannis)
Dennis rodman also
Iverson don’t belong on here
@@keyboard2758 he was a superstar
@@MarzTalksSports Ming don’t belong on here either
@@keyboard2758 hes an HM
😂😂😭😭 as soon as they mentioned Jokic I knew Low was about to go crazy
He’s not marketable not a lot of kids know him. Just the other day a kid was in barbershop nsming his fav player lebron and Steph came up.
Steph and Lebron are megastars Giannis jokic emid lamelo dame Ja Durant luka etc are NBA superstars
Ooooh this! This is much better!! This bridges the conversation both sides are having.
Cos everyone mocking Gil are talking about NBA Superstars, but that's not really what Gil and Kenyon are talking about...
Kd is in the same tier as curry and lebron wth
KD naw
As crazy as it sounds I get what Gil is saying. A true superstar is someone who is either bigger than the game or someone who knows almost nothing about basketball will know using jersey sales and fan voting wouldn’t disprove his point simply bc the ppl buying these jerseys and voting in the asg are atleast casual fans. There are people who know absolutely nothing about basketball but know lebron and Steph curry
But he said Steve Francis was a superstar, bro. And VC, and Tmac. None of those guys were ever close to that level of fame that you are talking about. He's just has a crazy bias towards the 00s
Thank you for exposing these ridiculous takes.
I hate this conversation. Because to me. Off the court, visibility and popularity is needed for there to be a true SUPERstar. To me a superstar is recognizable outside of their given sports niche. As well as being a top player in their given sport.
Agree...A Superstar is someone who is recognised outside the construct of basketball...
For me a SUPERSTAR MOST ALL POSSESS 3 THINGS AT ONCE
1. Must be an elite allstar (top 20 player)
2. Must be face of the franchise
3. Must be a household name and Transcendant player that a the most casual basketball fan knows their name and who they are.
1. Lebron
2. Curry
3. KD
4. JA morent
5. Tatum
6. Giannis
7. Luka
I don’t disagree with them saying Steph and Lebron are the only superstars if they feel that’s the highest category. But their explanation after and categorization of everyone else is off.
Personally I think they’re conflicting superstars with faces of the league. Like when people think NBA, outside of NBA fans, whose names do ppl say…Lebron and Curry. That’s what a face of the league. Bron and Curry are the faces of the NBA.
The tier below them are the superstars. Players like Jokic, Giannis, KD, and other who are unarguably accomplished and transcendent talents of a championship caliber who are still building their legacy/marketability in and outside the game. Honestly, the biggest gap between being a face of the league and superstar is your marketability beyond the sport.
Thoughts 💭
Superstars: Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, KD, Tatum, Curry, Lebron, Kawhi, Luka and SGA.
Stars: AD, Booker, Halliburton, Jimmy, Kyrie, Ant, Brunson, D Mitch, Fox, Dame, Ja, Trae, PG13
I think Jimmy and Kyrie are superstar. Kyrie still leaving off 2016 and Jimmy is Jimmy Buckets
disagree with kawhi when he won his ring turn him to super star
Bro sga gotta do something in the playoffs before claiming he’s a superstar off one great season
Waittttr lol how is SGA a superstar but a champion like kawhi isn’t ? 🧐
Kawhi a Superstar for sure but he injured all the time, that’s why I had him as a Star. If he gets injured in the playoffs again, it’s probably his last year as a Superstar.
Must’ve been some games that Steve Francis fried Gilbert for him to think that 😂😂
Always two there are, no more, no less.
Being a superstar is how much you're known on a global scale. As a person who isn't from the US the only guys that would get mobbed in my country (UK) are Steph and LeBron. The rest may get recognised here and there but they'll primarily have their piece of mind. Literally happened to Jimmy when he came to London. Also happened to Giannis when he went back to Nigeria. No one knew him,
Exactly I don't get how ppl don't understand that
That point loses all logic when Gil brings up Steve Francis thoguh
Since 2000 the only Mega Stars both off and on court has been
Shaq
Kobe
Lebron
Steph
Iverson
@@rodney9982 wasn’t that big overseas
I watched both segments and Gil is right but he didn’t explain himself at all 😂 he’s talking about who’s recognised by the general public, not just sport fans and currently it’s just Lebron and Steph. As a Nigerian, Giannis my favourite player but ppl back in Nigeria don’t even know who he is and he’s from there (I know he’s born in Greece but Nigerians are still very knowledgeable of their athletes born in different countries). He’s getting there for sure cause he’s tapping into that market but Lebron and Steph are internationally recognised.
Wasn't he born in nigeria too? Thought it was his younger siblings born in Greece?
@@innovance3788Nah he has an older brother Francis who was born in Nigeria but Thanasis and Giannis were both born in Greece.
@@FreePartey Ahh fair enough...
I think that the term star gets confused because it could be referring to talent or popularity.
If we are using star as a reference to popularity, I think a fair criteria for a superstar is this: face of the league, well know among non-nba fans.
Historically I’d say superstars are what carry the league forward and introduce basketball to more fans. Guys like magic, bird, Jordan, Kobe, shaq, lebron, steph.
Even if guys like KD, luka, Giannis, jokic, Tatum, embiid, etc. are undoubtedly amazing players and stars in their own right, they don’t have the universal name recognition (not just nba fans) that true SUPERstars have.
Some of these former players be talking absolute shhit😂
Their definition of superstar seems to be popularity outside of basketball. With that definition it is just Lebron and Steph.
I agree with Gil to a certain extent… I think the word superstar is tossed around too loosely…. IMO in order to be a superstar you have to be a household name… a person that doesn’t know or watch basketball know know who mj or Lebron are.. those are super stars.. someone like luka has the potential to be a superstar but right now he just a star… no one knows who he is outside of basketball and sports media
I would much rather go with KMart's definition of only being 2 superstars. At least you don't have to worry about the term "superstar" or "megastar" being thrown around loosely to just anyone.
He’s absolutely right lebron and Steph is the absolute correct answer there in there on stratosphere
I swear people just chat to chat. Giannis, Joker, Luka, KD, LeBron and Steph are superstars. Tatum, Kyrie, Dame, Brunson, AD, Antman, Spida, to name a few are certified stars. These are pivotal pieces. They have crazy impact on winning, and how they play will be the difference between a win or loss 90% of the time
A superstar is the player that changes the game, the player that will take over the game, Jokic is the closest in my book: a superstar is the player that can take over the game almost at will, there are a lot of regular all-star players in the league but very few superstars. There's about 30 players that separate themselves but no one really stands out. Denver appears to have the best teamwork.
It’s levels to superstardom. It’s also what market/ team you play for & media. A superstar is a transcendent player in my eyes. You basically eclipse popularity not just being an NBA player but now people look at you as a celebrity. They want to know your life. which is synonymous with Superstar. They hang on every word that person says. Their views on world events and politics maybe. Also if they’re looked as one of the best or the best to ever do it and also change the game, do something revolutionary. Superstars are like A.I. Kobe Steph, MJ, Bron magic. Their popularity, even likeness eclipses the basketball landscape into other ventures in life. Giannis & Tim Duncan are superstars but only on-court sense. Can’t deny their level of play and talent. But are you telling me Bron and Luka are on the same level of being a superstar? Be for real. Fans are more pissed at Bron sitting out a game than Luka or Tatum.
Low laughing got me laughing 😂😂😂
Gil was talking about off court popularity, that’s why he said about Steve Francis, VC, T-Mac, AI cuz they were icons on that generation and people was using AI tats, wanted to dribble like Steve, Jump like Vince and list goes on and on…
But Gil wanted to use the on court argument on several ocasión cuz that was the other excuse 😂
Basketball roleplayers are defining who are the superstars 😂. What a funny joke this squad is.
Steve francis had me weak XDDD
A superstar can take a team to the Finals with what they have. We have a lot of franchise stars that everyone claims are superstars, but they haven't done anything in the league except be a huge regular season stat padder. An all-star is a complimentary piece that will help the franchise star or superstar win a ring. Role-players are one-dimensional players ready to play for any team. Then we have the benchwarmers and journeymen who will either stay with one team or always go to more than one team after 1 season because they're good enough for one team that season, or stay on one team for multiple years like Thanasis because of reasons being clear to be seen, or the team likes them that much. We also have stars who aren't always voter for being an all-star due to other stars more popular than them.
Luka,Tatum,Giannis,Jokic,Embiid.
Curry,Durant,Lebron
Leonard,Harden,Westbrook,Booker.
Rough examples of how I see it, you got your high tv time guys, in the 2nd tier but they’re older. Than our young stars or in prime in the top tier. Then you got household names based off of past accomplishment, all tiers are examples, proof of concept.
Your impact off the floor is really what makes u a superstar.
Lmao..the steve francis bit made everybody walk off😅
I think he was trying to say that your personality makes you superstar not necessarily your play. For example, Kyrie has always been more popular than Damian Lillard but Damian Lillard is the better player but because kids resonate with Kyrie Irving and wants to be him that’s why he gets the brand deals he used to get such as his own signature shoe and being a movies. Basically what he was trying to say is no matter how good you if you’re not marketable, you’re not a superstar
I agree that Dame is better but he doesn’t clear him. The gap is not big.
Argument wise I think he's referring to worldly recognition, sales, things off the court. If that's his argument I can see where he's coming from. TMac, AI, VC, LBJ, and Steph have a think in common where most people can see themselves attempting to accomplish cause most of their game is skill + freak ability so even if you can't achieve that you can see it. But you most people can't fathom being like jokic, Giannis or KD. Especially with accolades I think gil is more take it as towards the face of the NBA/recognizable face accolades not solely just what have you done on the court
Nahhh Yao Ming calvinized an entire country. Yao Ming was definitely a Superstar on impact alone.
For me superstar means you’ve transcended basketball into pop culture, you’re a superstar if casual to non nba watchers know who you are for being him on the court, that’s just my opinion as a super casual nba fan
he's kinda right... there's places in the world where nobody knows who Giannis, Jokic, Luka or Embiid are, but they fasho know who Lebron and Steph are.
But at the same time, Jokic and Luka in Europe are superstars. Giannis and Embiid and Africa Superstars.
@@DirtyDev that's true but there's cases where in Africa they don't know who Jokic is and vice versa
SUPER in Superstar is the key word, so yes Bron and Steph (4 rings each) are the only SUPER stars
No those two are mega stars
In most other sports, superstar refers to someone who is globally recognized and well known by just about everyone. This is why top 10 conversations has a clear cut definition and is much easier to understand rather than debating about the definition of the classification itself.
Maybe he means superstar needs to transcend his market or even the NBA. Peoples mom’s know who Lebron, Jordan, and Kobe are. But they probably aren’t going to know who Luca is.
“Superstars” are the ones people want to emulate-other players, not just kids on the playground or adults ballin at work.
Sometimes imperial data like jersey sales and All-Star votes doesn’t fully describe that “It” factor of a superstar. Like me wearing a Donavan Mitchell jersey because I like him, but saying “Kobe!!” as a make a turnaround fadeaway jumper into the wastebasket because in my mind I want to be more like Bryant instead of “Spida”.
I remember a game in '01 season I think...Shaq and Kobe on hights of their power...and Steve Francis toying with them literally...not one at the time...but with both of them guarding Him. Franchise droped like 45 on their ass with last second dime to Yao for a dunk after pump fake a la MJ to B.Wennington in the Garden finish. That night...Steve Francis was a Superstar.
In 20 years Steve Francis is gonna be a trivia question. Bros gonna be forgotten. Luka and Jokic are more known now than Steve Francis
You must have never played NBA Live 2004, where the commentator clearly states: "They call him the franchise..." If that does not have superstar written all over it, I don't know what does. (Giannis wasn't even mentioned in all those 2000s NBA Live and 2k's btw)
Giannis joined the league in 2012. How the F was he going to be mentioned in a 2000 game
@@Christopher._M yeah he had us in the 1st half
That's just a catchy nickname. Steve Francis was never a superstar.
Bros gotta be trolling😭
I get it.Joker is not a household name but Steph and LeBron you know instantly even if you are 86 years old and know nothing about sports but you know them 2 though
A superstar is someone u can ask ur mom if they know who they r and she will. And I think there are 2-3 per era that’s about it but it can somewhat very. It’s kinda a level that’s above ur game. At least that’s my take AI was every human being knew AI. But that’s just my take. When ur ability transcends more than just the game to the point random know u
The top 3 playes in the league right now is kd,bon,curry, then u have luka,joker joel
Superstar is a word reserved for players who transcend the sport. But this post-Jordan era star is so butt-hurt that nobody gave a damn about them and it was followed by the LeBron era where the access to the players has caused for a more global stardom
a superstar is someone that transcends basketball and connect with the mainstream in some way. i.e. Kobe with the help of Chappelle became something u say when shooting anything into a basket.
MJ with spacejam, Lebron with spacejam :D
i think an AllStar is someone who excels in basketball and is one of the elite players that any team would love to have on their squad if they could. well respected within the basketball community.
but a a "superstar" is someone i can name to someone who doesn't watch a lick of basketball and they would know who im talking about (and they know they are known for playing basketball not some random scandal or unrelated things)
Why tf is Tatum #2 in sales? Not tryna hate but imma hate, tf going on.
Yeh, that's actually the weirdest thing to come out of all this! XD