I'm glad u made this cuz it needed to be made. None of us noticed as children but when I rewatch these old shows I be side eyeing cuz they really threw colorism in our faces as kids.
This also reminds me of Loca in Thats so raven. The tall dark black girl was the ring leader of the bullies whilst the other bullies who followed behind her were petite, latina/white. and She was seen as aggressive and intimidating and her love interest (Eddie) was also afraid her presenting her as undesirable.
What I meant was that African Americans are usually part European because of slavery while in the UK black people are mostly made up of the 2nd gen of African immigrants
And in all grown up, they went straight for it. In an episode where a talent scout wants Susie's voice but Angelica face singing it. And it takes like two seasons for Susie to forgive Angelica for agreeing to lip sync to her best friends singing.
Martin is the only one that is a reach to me. LITERALLY EVERYONE got clowned on in Martin. That's what made it so funny is that no one was safe. Martin would make fun of Gina's forehead all the time. Also Pam was just as savage to Martin as he was to her. She had some funny ass jokes. Martin was NOT colorist.
Really? Pam would roast Martin on his ears, height, and the fact that Gina made more money than him. It wasn't always one sided banter. There was balance and they would joke back n forth offscreen as well.
It’s sad that y’all always say this and tisha probably sees this all the time. Y’all gotta remember their not cartoon characters that’s their real faces; so you’re insulting or belittling their real faces and bodies. In my honest opinion though, I think they weighed each other out when it comes to beauty. Both of them equally had their strong factors.
@@brialove2311 well I mean the first episode the new aunt viv came Will literally spent 3-5 min saying SOMETHING (*cough cough light skin*) looks diff about Aunt Viv but yeah that switch up will always be mad suss and 1st Viv>2nd Viv always
lucky ducky They replaced her because she broke her contract of getting pregnant during the filming of the show in there from my wife and kids they put the dark skin out of the show because her mother didn’t want her in the show anymore stop trying to make this shit about race it’s not always about race
True but the trio of bullies that always antagonized raven theres the tall dark skin who's mad aggressive and loves off Eddie although he doesn't feel an ounce of attraction for her
I had a dark skinned friend who was like that. She felt pretty because she used to hang out with a light skin girl...the levels of stupidity we've come to.
Many people are mixed.... let's say black and white.... Can these black people who are mixed be racist and colorist at the same time? Can their Black DNA be colorist and they're White DNA be Racist? What percentage of black must a person have in order to be considered black? What is the lightest shade a black person can be to still be considered black? Is Jada Pinkett Black? Is Mariah carey Black? Is Jidenna Black? Is Cardi B Black? ALL OF THEM HAVE A BLACK FATHER
@Sarcastic Miasma So was her mom. God, I hated that show (okay, I didn't hate it when it first came out, but it got worse; I do give it props for being one of the few kid shows that talked about Kwanzaa with any kind of seriousness).
Yea everybody hates Chris does not get the regonition it definitely deserves I feel like that was such a great under rated show that deserves more credit and seasons than it got
To be fair, Tanya treats Chris like garbage and every girl likes Drew who is light skinned. And the first crush Chris had treated him like crap and made out with his brother, and was dark skinned. And then the light skinned girl that replaced her was much nicer to Chris. Still an awesome show though with an incredibly positive portrayal of a dark skinned father.
Kimberly Catrini I don’t agree at all. The reason being is because Chris was a young dark skinned black man who was treated like shit by everyone including his family. And then you have shows like Everybody loves Raymond. And when you think about it they are completely flipped. I’m not a big fan of Everybody Hates Chris.
I'm sorry you went through that; it's terrible to see. I used to work at a bank and one of my customers was El Salvadorian. He had three daughters and one was darker than the other two. For that reason, he gave her the nickname "Blacky". I thought it was sad because are was really young too.
Luckily I grew up with a loving mom who never made colorist remarks but the rest of my family... my uncles and aunties are colorist af 🤦🏻♀️ It's sad how much self-hatred still exists in the Latino community.
Same... as well. My family is from Dominican Republic. It’s 15 children. I’m the thirteenth child. Me and my youngest are the darkest tone and we are definitely treated definitely. But I noticed my grandparents even favored him more because he’s a male. Like he holds more honor. But moving to the US I was then considered “light skin/ red bone” and treated differently by others because I’m considered to be most preferred by the guys. I lost friends because of that. They would say “oh they only like you because you’re lighter or your hair is long and curly”. I hated it!!! Because my friends were beautiful black women that I absolutely admired and felt I was even on there level of style and grace. Definitely not trying to play or highlight myself as victim. But growing up it definitely developed so much confusion and unwanted attention. I have noticed how colorism has shaped our world and it’s disgusting.
Orange Sun You literally named a few characters, that’s called an exception, like I said the majority of the time those characters are darker and Laura’s friend was hardly ghetto. That’s a stretch.
facts! she had so many iconic moments in such a short time. maybe my memory just sucks but i honestly can't remember any huge moments w/ the lightskin aunt viv lmao
This didn’t used to bother me when I was younger because I didn’t realize how often dark-skinned women were being flat out rejected in the industry... but it like really really annoys me now, the more that I realize that practically no leading female roles are played by darker-skinned women. Almost every time, it’s a mixed or light-skinned woman with a dark-skinned man. It even happens in the damn cartoons where they can’t simply use “I just hired the best actress to play the role who just so happened to be mixed” as an excuse. Like, damn. That’s F’d up.
The Gina and Pam one is reality to black women. Gina is just the light skin girl everyone adores because she’s lighter, and Pam is just the dark skin girl people normally dislike because, ya know, she’s a darker complexion. Every time Martin would say something about Pam, Gina would sit there and snicker, laugh, or flat out ignore the coloristic comments her bf says about her best friend. 🙄
@@inlovewithkenn Lol this is one of my favorite comebacks from Pam as well. Still makes me laugh when I think about it and I've used it myself towards a short co-worker during playful office banter and I had him crying laughing!
Tommy sotomayor was called crispy (which is a derogatory term for a dark skinned person by dark people ) , he was called crispy by black people because he would call out Colorism and Hollywood clowning black women( search for "H.C.B.W." .... ruclips.net/video/6pYJVrS4G50/видео.html ruclips.net/video/y7q-s1v8SUo/видео.html ruclips.net/video/8fTBseXdDNw/видео.html
Many people are mixed.... let's say black and white.... Can these black people who are mixed be racist and colorist at the same time? Can their Black DNA be colorist and they're White DNA be Racist? What percentage of black must a person have in order to be considered black? What is the lightest shade a black person can be to still be considered black? Is Jada Pinkett Black? Is Mariah carey Black? Is Jidenna Black? Is Cardi B Black? ALL OF THEM HAVE A BLACK FATHER Are They All Considered Black???
I never thought anyone would be talking about the fact that The Proud Family had pretty much dehumanized the dark skinned girls and had always considered the black girls ghetto and ashy. And I just realized this a few years back.
I believe they were so black that they were blue. I believe their family was from the Caribbean’s but I don’t think they could say that they were so black they were blue so they called them ashy.
@@prihaps I was also in my preteens (eh, I think between the age of 9-11), but never thought of colorism at the age I was. That didn't seem to be noticeable until I was in high school, which is when I made the realization how negativily the dark skinned girls were portrayed. It was very obvious but it didn't click until I was in ninth grade.
What about Moesha? She was smart, had a wholesome family, and she didn’t fit the stereotype of the angry black woman (in my opinion). We can't forget about True Jackson, VP either!
@Orange Sun you're implying that this review only focuses on the bad shows. Have you not watch it until the end? Plus maybe you should recommend those shows in your own comment so that people can actually check them and we all grow from this? Thanks. Take care.
In the 90s there was an upside it seems, the 2000s really sunk, apart from maybye everybody hates Chris, True Jackson VP, Bernie Mac, and a few others. Rn i would say things are going in the right direction,
I'm glad you mentioned "Coming to America". That's actually the point in my life that I stopped and thought, "Okay, but why couldn't the dark-skinned girl have played Lisa? Isn't she just as beautiful and talented." And it hurt because I saw myself in her (skin-tone wise) and realised that that's the picture that society has painted of me and girls like me
@@deelovely5604 Nowhere in my statement does it say light-skinned women are not, or can not be, beautiful. What I'm speaking against is the notion that *only* light-skinned women are beautiful. If that's your view, we can respectfully agree to disagree and move on.
It’s crazy when we was young watching these classic shows and not realizing the Colorism in them. 🤦🏾♂️ Let’s also not forget that Black people created these black shows enforcing these stereotypes 😔 #ProtectDarkSkinWomenAtAllCost
Honestly Pam was funnier than Martin & Gina combined. I remember loving her acting too. I wish she played a better part Bc that girl deserved everything!
I love Martin one of my fav shows ..but even As a kid I didn’t like that Martin would go in on Pam that hard and it would make me uncomfortable when he would say she looked like an animal, talked about her hair being fake and her not being able to find a man as a haha to her face because he had a light skin woman. Never sat well with me...like how black men now talk about how ugly we are and how we are this and that because they have a trophy light skin woman.
I was maybe a preteen and it bothered me too. I never liked bullying. But now I realized so many black men truly feel this way due to the conditioning of many generations including Martin’s show.
As a kid I remember really being annoyed by how Martin treated Pam. It was overdone and rubbed me the wrong way. Pam was gorgeous, so it felt like he was just attacking her because she was dark skin.
Same. I loved the show, but I also would get annoyed at HOW MUCH he would dog her. She would bite back so it was mutual, but he often started it and would shut her down. She was very talented and beautiful. I loved her singing voice 👏💕
I feel as though it may have been a mixture of colorism AND the portrayal of sometimes how your man "cracks" on your homegirls. It's realistic in Both instances.
Y’all have to remember Pam’s character is Gina’s best friend who views Martin as not good enough for Gina, rugged, and uncivilized. She looks down on him thinking that her friend could do much better. She may be loud and boisterous but she was at a high end job just like Gina. She displayed the same characteristics as some of the so called “dim witted light skins” they try to portray on television
Alicia Stover I know that, but in real life Steve should’ve been with Myra, she love him for he was. She was also pretty. Only a fool would constantly chase after a women, who doesn’t want him. I loved the show, but it gave away the wrong message. We don’t always get our dream girl. Plus in today’s age, if a guy did what Steve did, he would have a restraining order out on him, or in jail.
Because we're living in a society structured with systemic racism that has been implemented carefully over CENTURIES. Its impossible to ignore the problems around us and pretend they don't exist. But we can love all people and fight racism at the same time. We can do both!
On the Rugrats whenever Susie came to play she stole the whole episode and she was always putting Angelica in her place lol. All the babies loved susie
Darshanay Johnson everybody loved Susie and I hated the lack of racial balance on the show (like why couldn’t we get regular cousins and stuff of hers along with everyone else) but her positive presence with no harsh stereotypes was definitely a major plus. It really makes me wonder if they had a black woman on board with the show to keep them in check from doing anything funky with the only black character.
The whole family was named after some type of seasoning. She had brothers and sisters name Cinnamon, Nutmeg, Paprika and even Tabasco. SMH. Don't believe me. Look at season 2 episode 14
Hold on. I disagree with Living Single! Maxine's character was an intelligent attorney and the only friend who maintained her own residence. Her "aggression" toward men was more of her knowing what she wanted and not letting men or society dictate how she was supposed to behave as a woman. She also often offered sound advice to her friends. She was always a supportive person (remember when Sinclair quit her job as Khadijah's secretary, and Maxine filled in, or when she helped Khadijah, Regine & Sinclair win the $1500 settlement in the Full Court Press episode). Regine's character was very classy and she brought much cultural education to her household (knowledge of French cuisine & the language, knowledge of high fashion, knowing how to dress for any occasion without showing too much skin, knowing how to set a dinner table and which side the silverware goes on). She definitely brought some class and knowledge to her roommate's lives, similar to what Kyle brought to Overton's world. Yvette Lee Bowser really did a lovely job of depicting Blacks in a positive light and taking us outside of stereotypes🙌🏾
Agreed!! All the women were greatly represented on that show. It was especially important to see that two plus-size Black woman lead characters (Queen Latifah and Kim Coles) were also very desirable and successful. Khadijah owned her own magazine and could pull any man she wanted to, and Synclaire, though she eventually ended up with Overton (John Henton) was also desired and had a fledgling acting career! There aren't many, if any, shows which portray that today.
For all the reasons you stated it really shows the stereotypes. Max was the lawyer but also hyper sexual, strong, etc. All the light skinned characters were the more desired ones, more feminine ones...
As a Latina it makes me emotional, as I can really relate to all this colorism stuff, and it's hard to open our eyes to just how much tv and films made us hate ourselves just bc of our skin or hair or eye color :(( just watch any telenovela blond/hueritos Latinos are always the protagonists and the dark skinned ones/cholitos/ are always the servers or secondary characters SMH...
Remember when Celia premiered news outlets made it such a big deal that that for the first time black characters were the protagonist in a non-slave themed story. Don't get me wrong I do thinks it was about time, but they made it seem like, "look how far we've come along". Which to me sounded kinda condescending. Also, in Latin culture its not just if you have African features but also if your featured lean more towards indigenous. Roma for example had a huge controversy because of the Lead's features. Some mexican actors were upset that that was how mexicans would be represented. There was also "Maria Isabel" telenovela in the 90's where the protagonist was a woman from an indigenous decent. But she was played by Adela Noriega who doesn't have indigenous features. But they were able to get a full assemble of good actors with said features to play the indigenous people (Huicholes). You know, the side characters. 🙄
THANK YOU for mentioning this! We have all been brainwashed. The conditioning runs deep and affects us socially, in business, personal relationships etc. it’s VERY important to bring light to this terrible practice.
Now that was rare-to pair two darker-skinned Black actors together in the 90s. Max and Kyle were the ULTIMATE power couple! In television and movies, that is extremely rare to see today. Even in Blackish, it's the same trope--light-skinned Black woman, darker-skinned Black man....
I've always said that ... hate they never got her back it sucked after that.. I know alot of ppl who stopped watching it as b4 or altogether, after they switched her & I was 1 of them!
Totally agree with you because, I do not even remember. Light skin aunt Viv . J cole in one of his iconic songs no role models. Only mentioned the dark skinned auntie that says a lot.
Dark skinned Aunt Vivian was the epitome of a strong and beautiful black women. She was classy, educated, sassy, attractive and hilarious. Plus she was immensely talented. The second one was boring. I didn't dislike her but I didn't need her on the show. She added nothing.
Max and Kyle were a beautiful, perfect-looking dark-skinned couple. They were so perfect together that they were asked to reprise their characters and storyline on another sitcom: “Half ‘n Half.”
ESTHER if you’re mixed with black then you’re considered part black. the show is trying to say that black comes in all different shades which is why they put a white passing women in the show.
Moesha was actually a pretty balanced black sitcom. Moesha is the brown/dark-skinned protagonist, who is smart, independent, and highly desirable. Dee (her stepmom) is also an intelligent, talented, desired dark-skinned black woman (with a lighter skinned husband btw). For the first few seasons, she had the big-mouth best friend Kim, who was lighter than her.
What the shame was what they did to Frank character when they decided to let Ray J replace Countess on the show when she left for her spin off and that in turn led to the show demise
The dark skin aunt viv off set behavior is what got her fired u can even look it up nobody on the cast wanted to work with her but I do agree that they should've got another dark skinned women for the part
After a while I caught onto the light-skinned wife/dark-brown-skinned husband and honestly thought it was a conspiracy theory *lol*. That really was a trend huh. OG Aunt Viv forever!
Commenting before finishing the vid, but isn't it funny that in a lot of these sitcoms the husband and sons are unambiguously Black, but somehow the daughters are mixed?
Commercials & those fake photos in picture frames, too! They'll have black sons & biracial daughters, smh. (For the record, nothing against biracial ppl, but the pictures these companies paint is worth side-eyeing)
That dynamic led the way for our current climate of biracial dominance. Also u see it with this baby mama culture. Black ass dudes picking light and brights to breed with.🤷🏽
Back in my childhood, I'd often watch the Cosby Show. I always wondered how two mahogany-skinned parents could have daughters who were as white as a ghost! :|
To be fair, a brown-skinned, or darker-skinned, Black man and woman can produce a child(ren) on the spectrum of color, so in that respect, I think it was an accurate representation.
My parents are not light skin but my sister is because my grandmother is black & white (actually can pass for white). I assumed it was the same for the Cosby Show.
@THEwhimsical1 I wish people would stop saying full black🙄Having two black parents doesn’t mean u are more black than another(I’m not talking about people with one black parent) It’s just really stupid because u can’t tell somebody’s ancestry from looking at them....
My family is colorist. I did not know that word even exist until recently REALLY.... All I knew is that anyone draker was ugly for them😠 I grew up always playing in the sun and my melalin was always popping. But the rest of my family some was light skin and Puerto Rican mix... And Trinidad also mix... We was all mix. I always love my color... When I stop taking so much sun I look like this in my profile pic. Brown skin and when some would ask me where I was from and I would say the virgin islands they would be like but your skin🤦♀️ or your beautiful for a black woman or some 💩like that. I grew up in PR... And I notice how the world will treat a human being depending what they like👀 I love being BLACK F*** all these colorist racist asses had that 💩 all my life so fed up with it. If I say more 🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊
@@carterseries4287 Thank you sweetheart. I mention Trinidad because, I use it as reference also. In Trinidad they have diffrent races!!! I meant that hun. Thank you🙂
@@YvetteUniverse369 im trinidadian and colourism is BIG here. I asked my friend whats his type and he immediately said "lightskinned". He's not black but colourism affects all the races here.
as a latino i always felt like lacienga was a negative representation of latinas because of how mean she was, but regardless of whether or not she's afrolatina, your point still stands: she's rude and pretty obnoxious, but she's still seen as pretty and popular because she's rich and (most likely) lighter skinned.
Shakur Wright I don’t think the insults was because she was black hell Martin checked EVERYBODY on that show including Gina.......granted she didn’t get it like Pam cause Gina was the girlfriend...... now I do agree Gina was casted as the girlfriend cause she was light skinned but I don’t feel like Pam was insulted cause she was dark skinned girl she was insulted just like everyone else and plus most guys don’t like they girls best friend and most girls don’t like they best friend boyfriend I feel like they wear playing off of that.....it was even said they were supposed to be mimicking Fred Stanford and Aunt Ester hints why he calls her Ester in one episode and the actress that plays Ester guest starred in one episode
Concerning "Girlfriends" Mya was also the sista with a family--a husband, a Black husband. That helped support the idea that not all Black men are wifing non-Black women. Her character helped to move away from the stereotypical ghetto girl with no man.
That line Patrice delivered in Coming to America when everyone found out Akeem was the prince always say with me. "Why does she always get the good ones," in reference to Lisa having the price compared to her who only had, technically, a fraud. To me, I always seen that line as a critical take on how light skin females getting the better treatment in comparison to their darker tone minor female characters in media. Golden line right there
All of this played huge parts in the coming of age transition for dark skin girls. Out of all of the shows Martin & The Proud Family definitely were more painful to watch now being older and being able to pick up on it.
@Scorpio L That's an important distinction. If you notice it, see it as wrong and simply say so, that's great. When you get angry about it, you end up just like them. Then they call that 'self hate'. All these made up terms only add confusion and stir up anger imo
You forgot “ A Different World”!!! Good show, but rife with colorism! They went from one “most desired light skinned character” to yet another!!! Denise to Whitley anyone???
U notice how they stereotype lightskins and darkskins aren't how they really are. This really pissed me off I'm 14 and i didn't notice this until now. Thank u for pointing it out
I loved the proud fam but the gross sisters idk if they was ashy or just dark but it wasn’t right and also Dejanay she basically a walking stereotype .
E M. Unfortunately the actress was and still is not a positive role model for dark skinned black women. It was the character that displayed that part you liked. If they felt there was a probably with the original actress they should have kept the casting for someone that at least looked similar to the original actress. That’s the thing that baffles me with shows that switch actors. They can do so well at casting children version of original actors but fall so far behind when replacing an actor in the same timeframe. I know the industry isn’t that lacking where they can’t find an appropriate actor to not only act the part, but also look it. I also don’t agree with the notion that changing how the character acted was a critical part in making a peaceful working environment for the cast and crew.
Milano Martin I think in real life she was just bitter bc they kicked her off of the show bc she wanted to get paid more. She had asked Will to ask the producers if they could raise her pay since he had a lot more influence. He wouldn’t do it because basically it wasn’t his problem.
Thank you for making all of these videos. I'm a white Italian who moved to the U.S. a few years ago and your videos have helped me get a way better understanding of the nuances around black American culture more than any culture class I took in college. They're too scared to bring up the stuff you bring up. Thank you
4:50 Dijonay and LaCienega are also hugely classed in the show (especially relevant to Penny). Dijonay is from the working class poor irresponsible family, “beneath” Penny in that regard. LaCienega is the rich girl, who is a rival to Penny because she is rich and spoiled. But LaCienega being light and rich, contrasted to dark and poor Dijonay here, is something I never really noticed till just now. Also, LaCienega used some pretty blatant racist/colourist language if I recall!
AaLaN LaNDa ‼️ I read that the first actress that portrayed her, her parents removed her from the show because they didn't like the heavy storylines that they were giving her so I could understand them recasting, but they still should've kept the actress dark skin. It was very disheartened to see them replacing her for a lighter skinned girl, same with Aunt Viv - the first actress who portrayed her she didn't get along with Will Smith but they should've at least casted another dark skinned actress. Ashley was brown skin and looked like neither one of her parents after the second recast.
@@brandonbates9259 Uncle Phil's mom was a chocolate woman, so I guess if this were the real world it could be implied that Carlton, Ashley and Nicki all take after their paternal grandmother??? *Kanye shrug* Lol...
His love interests were usually light skinned. His little brother was light skinned and he was seemed as more attractive and everyone liked him and Chris was darker and nobody liked him
There was colorism. There were episodes where tasha's grandmother called Chris nappy head and told his mom to tell her son stay away from her. Also in the prom episode the teacher hooked him up with girl who was mixed looking.
i would like to add that there was some colorist in everybody hates chris on the opposite side with males!!! chris’s brother drew was the only light skin in the family and got all the girls!
J Silva they had one episode when they addressed colorism as well. And after that there wasn’t any issues. But think about who created the show. A Black woman. So of course there would be balance
The Wayne's brothers went from supporting black women in the late 80's to early 90's to all of the Wayne's bro's and sis messing wit white women and men.
Damn. I’m white and didn’t notice this when i was a kid, but I sure as hell have picked up on it in the last 10 years or so. More people need to talk about this. Also, for the record, Aunt Viv was the best. I remember wanting an aunt like her.
I’m just finishing middle school and literally from the moment I first came to the school, all the guys no matter what skin complexion or race on their stories or when asked in person they say “I date light skins and Hispanics “ like they won’t go for dark skins periodt but will if they are a dark skinned Hispanic. I didn’t / don’t wanna date anybody but it’s just so ignorant to see them blatantly disrespecting all dark skinned black women.
That's a real eye-opener. Wow. If this shit's happening in the young generation now at this rate, black women would be disregarded even more than now. This is disgusting omfg why
Maxine was a successful attorney, top of her class in college, and one every court case. She got just as many dates as Regine. I just had to mention that. In fact, Living Single managed to make all the characters were more complex than what they were on paper.
Megan Reynolds Thank you for saying this. I’ve seen various videos around a lot of the same shows mentioned here and this is the FIRST time anyone has ever mentioned Living Single and singled out Max. Max was ALWAYS my favorite. She was goals for me as a young black girl
@@YellowRanger_ Thanks. Max was good fashion inspo, she was killing those suits and monochromatic looks. I also don't think Max was a mooch even though she in fact mooched, lol. She was originally one of their roomates but Max and Regine fought like cats and dogs. That's when Max moved out, Sinclair moved in, and Max became their neighbor. So whatever dynamic they had before never went away.
I always felt like the Proud Family's colorism was *extremely* obvious. Even though I loved that show. It was one of the very few if any black cartoons out at the time (kinda like now).
As a Latino, I am aware of the “spicy latina” trope having the SAME characteristics as the “loud independent black girl”...yet one is seen as sexy and the other is seen as an annoyance. Thanks for talking about it and acknowledging colorism is in every community (sadly). Definitely something we need to tackle
And made it seem like no one wanted Nikki because she big, black, and loud until the final season when she was finally given a love interest that wanted her fr
@@MultiAbc678 This. Even as a child watching the show it made e cringe how they had her character constantly chasing after that professor and the countless ways he would shut her down
Diamante Monae I agree. Nikki got a lot of male attention she just specifically wanted the professor. I didn’t like how every woman the professor wanted instead of Nikki was always lighter and skinnier than her. Like significantly smaller and lighter as if to say a woman dark and plus sized could never attain a man like the professor.
On one side white shows are not going to represent black people then you got black shows that hold on to stereotypes for dear life 😑 we can’t even count on ourselves 🤦🏾♀️
I’m 17, but I binge watch living single, fresh prince, the parkers, moesha, etc. every chance I get. I grew up with these shows😊 However, as I got older and keep getting older, I started to notice the colorist on a lot of these shows. I also noticed that they would often replace dark or brown skinned characters with lighter ones and other aspects of colorism.
Dark skin Aunt Viv gave me Claire Huxtable realness! I love that she was unapologetically herself and had personality for days. She slayed that role! No disrespect to the light skinned Aunt Viv but she was kinda forgettable...almost like a trophy wife....good to look at but not much else. Thank you for making this!
Amen!! Thats the truth! Dark skinned Aunt Viv gave me life!! The lighter one was a lil too submissive for me. The original aunt Viv gave me strong, independent, making sure blacks knew where they came from
I heard the reason they got rid of her cause she didn’t get along with the cast or something like that. She was a good actor but not that good of a person.
She has said herself that at the time she didn’t like/get along with Will or any of the cast. The cast said she was very problematic when it came to filming the show. When they had a reunion no one hit her up when everyone asked why multiple cast members said she’s just not a nice person.
And it’s crazy cause Pam KEPT IT TOGETHER. She never looked a mess but caught the worse where (let’s be honest) Gina was.. Ight and did the minimum and got the best
6:30 I cannot stress how happy I am to hear someone say this is!! People think I'm crazy when I say this. Light skin mom and dark or brown skin man. Look around next time you go out in public. What do you see MIST of the time?! Red women with dark men. Why?!
I'm glad u made this cuz it needed to be made. None of us noticed as children but when I rewatch these old shows I be side eyeing cuz they really threw colorism in our faces as kids.
They knew we wouldn't understand as kids so that's why they would try to shove lots of colorism...
This also reminds me of Loca in Thats so raven. The tall dark black girl was the ring leader of the bullies whilst the other bullies who followed behind her were petite, latina/white. and She was seen as aggressive and intimidating and her love interest (Eddie) was also afraid her presenting her as undesirable.
Yeah
I noticed from an early age
If this ain't true
The dark skin Aunt Viv had more personality
More substance,more style and just an overall better character. She looked better too.
Yeah she had a job, educated, dancer the new one just was there
TRUUUUUUUE
Sasha Bell the problem with her is she had a bad attitude she was jealous of will smith
And was prettier...
And if you notice, the darkest person on Fresh Prince happened to be the butler 🤦🏽♀️
Jesus christ
I think that that's because he's from the UK like me and many people in the UK are of African descent
Kev Mine has nothing to do with being from the UK. You also have dark skin people in the US and also light skin people in the UK.
Idk. Carlton was somewhat dark skinned. I don't see Jeffrey as being so much darker than the original Aunt Viv.
What I meant was that African Americans are usually part European because of slavery while in the UK black people are mostly made up of the 2nd gen of African immigrants
You’re playing the Rugrats theme and remember Susie? They didn’t colorize Susie, she was smart, sweet, intelligent & she wasn’t scared of Angelica 👌🏽
And in all grown up, they went straight for it. In an episode where a talent scout wants Susie's voice but Angelica face singing it. And it takes like two seasons for Susie to forgive Angelica for agreeing to lip sync to her best friends singing.
@@nittygritty7034 Wait, what??? I never knew that😣
@DarkLightPrince she wasn't lightskin her skin was just less orange
So true, I loved that
Lol I love little Susie
Everybody Hates Chris was a balanced show to me. I loved the dynamics of the characters and they definitely tried to break some stereotypes.
Beatrice Schultz yess that why I loved the show as well
Right! The dad was present, the mom cared about the kids educations. The sons were very respectful. Plus all dark tones
Shay Crosby and don’t forget about the adorable and annoying little sister
@@ishathompson8439 of course💖💖. I loved how the mom always made the brothers respect her lol. No matter how aggy she was to them
Shay Crosby yeah me too
I’m a screenwriter and I will break these stereotypes. Mark my words.
Yes 💖✊🏿👑
Cant wait
TheThriftQueen okay queen
God bless you for this ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
TheThriftQueen and I will support you🔥
I loved Martin growing up but sometimes I get annoyed at the way Pam was treated and portrayed.
Nymeria Marie yes girl once you pick up on it you start side eyeing a lot of stuff lol
I didn't even notice till now!! Smh😒🙅😡
Martin is the only one that is a reach to me.
LITERALLY EVERYONE got clowned on in Martin. That's what made it so funny is that no one was safe. Martin would make fun of Gina's forehead all the time. Also Pam was just as savage to Martin as he was to her. She had some funny ass jokes.
Martin was NOT colorist.
Really? Pam would roast Martin on his ears, height, and the fact that Gina made more money than him. It wasn't always one sided banter. There was balance and they would joke back n forth offscreen as well.
@@spectrestatus7110 Exactly
“They’re not blue because they’re black, they’re blue because they’re ashy” 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 took me out
Same 😂😂😭😭
LMFAOO IM GONEEEE
Dolled By Zaire imagine how confused 8 year old me was when finding that out.
numberoneikon same lol I always thought they were dirty or something since they were called the gross sisters 😂
Dolled By Zaire not to be on no shii but when did being ashy make a mf blue tho thts some different
Unpopular opinion: Gina was only concidered "sexy" because she was light skinned and Pam was always prettier, more fashionable, and talented
Facts ✊
Skin has nothing to do with it. They are both extremely attractive in their own way. Be a part of the solution not the problem.
Why do y'all always compare women
It’s sad that y’all always say this and tisha probably sees this all the time. Y’all gotta remember their not cartoon characters that’s their real faces; so you’re insulting or belittling their real faces and bodies. In my honest opinion though, I think they weighed each other out when it comes to beauty. Both of them equally had their strong factors.
mykaja tatum yes, I agree!
The First Aunt Viv was lit and will always be THE Aunt Viv
Yes she was the best, I remember the dark skinned aunt Viv the most
Vicky 13467 facts and they replaced her thinking nobody would notice smh
Like that time she went back into dance..one of my favorite episodes
@@brialove2311 well I mean the first episode the new aunt viv came Will literally spent 3-5 min saying SOMETHING (*cough cough light skin*) looks diff about Aunt Viv but yeah that switch up will always be mad suss and 1st Viv>2nd Viv always
lucky ducky They replaced her because she broke her contract of getting pregnant during the filming of the show in there from my wife and kids they put the dark skin out of the show because her mother didn’t want her in the show anymore stop trying to make this shit about race it’s not always about race
That So Raven was pretty balanced. Victor was married to a smart funny black woman.
ZEPH 😍
He was the fun-loving restaurant owner entrepreneur married to an intelligent, successful darkskin businesswoman. Amazing show
Family matters
True but the trio of bullies that always antagonized raven theres the tall dark skin who's mad aggressive and loves off Eddie although he doesn't feel an ounce of attraction for her
Tima agreed, but Eddie did like raven’s cousin who was a little darker. And loca was a likable character to me, she was hilarious lol
I had a dark skinned friend who was like that. She felt pretty because she used to hang out with a light skin girl...the levels of stupidity we've come to.
Simply Fine idk but society will do anything to put lighter people at a pedestal and it’s fucked up
Her family and community failed her😢
Thats not her being stupid, thats her understanding society's failings
😮😮😮😮
@@user-mc1cn7hs3h It surely is! I will never ever understand it or entertain that mess.
Let's be honest. NO ONE refers to the light-skinned Aunt Viv, as Aunt Viv. There is and will always be only ONE Aunt Viv. And we all knew who that was
truth!!
Lol yep
Many people are mixed.... let's say black and white....
Can these black people who are mixed be racist and colorist at the same time?
Can their Black DNA be colorist and they're White DNA be Racist?
What percentage of black must a person have in order to be considered black?
What is the lightest shade a black person can be to still be considered black?
Is Jada Pinkett Black? Is Mariah carey Black? Is Jidenna Black? Is Cardi B Black?
ALL OF THEM HAVE A BLACK FATHER
Penny Proud's parents were the animated Martin and Gina 🙌🏾😂😳 I did a double take .
Mia Donna I noticed that too
Yeap
U can be ugly dark or light skinned inside or outside
@Sarcastic Miasma So was her mom. God, I hated that show (okay, I didn't hate it when it first came out, but it got worse; I do give it props for being one of the few kid shows that talked about Kwanzaa with any kind of seriousness).
casey wilson Paula Jay Parker is a crackhead in real life. When I saw who voiced Trudy, I was like “Disney what was you thinking?”
Yea everybody hates Chris does not get the regonition it definitely deserves I feel like that was such a great under rated show that deserves more credit and seasons than it got
To be fair, Tanya treats Chris like garbage and every girl likes Drew who is light skinned. And the first crush Chris had treated him like crap and made out with his brother, and was dark skinned. And then the light skinned girl that replaced her was much nicer to Chris. Still an awesome show though with an incredibly positive portrayal of a dark skinned father.
@@dapperfan44 little sisters are always picking on their older brother see drake and josh
@@NanaNaima1 MEGAN!
Kimberly Catrini I don’t agree at all. The reason being is because Chris was a young dark skinned black man who was treated like shit by everyone including his family. And then you have shows like Everybody loves Raymond. And when you think about it they are completely flipped. I’m not a big fan of Everybody Hates Chris.
dapperfan44 it’s based on his real story 🤦🏻♀️ why do people make a fuss out of everything
Latinos colorism is crazy , I got bullied from my own family for being the darkest in my fam
Same.
I'm sorry you went through that; it's terrible to see. I used to work at a bank and one of my customers was El Salvadorian. He had three daughters and one was darker than the other two. For that reason, he gave her the nickname "Blacky". I thought it was sad because are was really young too.
It's EVERY where girl, even in Asian countries. It's sickening.
Luckily I grew up with a loving mom who never made colorist remarks but the rest of my family... my uncles and aunties are colorist af 🤦🏻♀️ It's sad how much self-hatred still exists in the Latino community.
Same... as well. My family is from Dominican Republic. It’s 15 children. I’m the thirteenth child. Me and my youngest are the darkest tone and we are definitely treated definitely. But I noticed my grandparents even favored him more because he’s a male. Like he holds more honor. But moving to the US I was then considered “light skin/ red bone” and treated differently by others because I’m considered to be most preferred by the guys. I lost friends because of that. They would say “oh they only like you because you’re lighter or your hair is long and curly”. I hated it!!! Because my friends were beautiful black women that I absolutely admired and felt I was even on there level of style and grace. Definitely not trying to play or highlight myself as victim. But growing up it definitely developed so much confusion and unwanted attention. I have noticed how colorism has shaped our world and it’s disgusting.
the girls who played the "ghetto black friend" were always my favourite, coz they knew wussup no matter what.
Iraia Tapine facts🤣💯
The problem is that without little exception, they’re always dark skinned. It’s become a stereotype as a result.
Orange Sun You literally named a few characters, that’s called an exception, like I said the majority of the time those characters are darker and Laura’s friend was hardly ghetto. That’s a stretch.
Yo everybody kno DARK SKINNED AUNT VIV is #1. And that dance episode🙌🏾
I love that episode!
Right?
Khaniyah Mack yeah...dark skinned aunt viv is the better version. Show got better, but it definitely wasn’t the same.
facts! she had so many iconic moments in such a short time. maybe my memory just sucks but i honestly can't remember any huge moments w/ the lightskin aunt viv lmao
@@yunginaliel her singing wheels on the bus *shrugs*
This didn’t used to bother me when I was younger because I didn’t realize how often dark-skinned women were being flat out rejected in the industry... but it like really really annoys me now, the more that I realize that practically no leading female roles are played by darker-skinned women. Almost every time, it’s a mixed or light-skinned woman with a dark-skinned man. It even happens in the damn cartoons where they can’t simply use “I just hired the best actress to play the role who just so happened to be mixed” as an excuse. Like, damn. That’s F’d up.
Kay F Bizzle PREECH
It's a big reason why one of my novel's MC is a black princess with an afro. Representation is lacking big time.
I was just saying this to someone a few weeks ago and I completely agree.
FACTS SMH !
Man Ho
Darker skin and Lighter skin means different things for different people speak for yourself
The Gina and Pam one is reality to black women. Gina is just the light skin girl everyone adores because she’s lighter, and Pam is just the dark skin girl people normally dislike because, ya know, she’s a darker complexion. Every time Martin would say something about Pam, Gina would sit there and snicker, laugh, or flat out ignore the coloristic comments her bf says about her best friend. 🙄
He never said nothing about her skin we so woke now a day's
@@NorthPhilly-zr7xc he didn’t have to
@@aliciahs.397 so stop being sensitive she never said anything about it
@@NorthPhilly-zr7xc why are you gunning for this fictional guy so hard 😭
@@marsisbae HuH
I’m glad you also touched on the Latino colorism was definitely enlightening to hear your opinions on this!!!
Lets be real, Pam’s clap backs were the best.
IKR - she gave as good or better than she got 😉😀
I died when she said she could take a rubberband and fling Martins little ass over there😭😭😭💀💀💀💀
@@inlovewithkenn Lol this is one of my favorite comebacks from Pam as well. Still makes me laugh when I think about it and I've used it myself towards a short co-worker during playful office banter and I had him crying laughing!
Tommy sotomayor was called crispy (which is a derogatory term for a dark skinned person by dark people ) , he was called crispy by black people because he would call out Colorism and Hollywood clowning black women( search for "H.C.B.W." ....
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Many people are mixed.... let's say black and white....
Can these black people who are mixed be racist and colorist at the same time?
Can their Black DNA be colorist and they're White DNA be Racist?
What percentage of black must a person have in order to be considered black?
What is the lightest shade a black person can be to still be considered black?
Is Jada Pinkett Black? Is Mariah carey Black? Is Jidenna Black? Is Cardi B Black?
ALL OF THEM HAVE A BLACK FATHER
Are They All Considered Black???
I never thought anyone would be talking about the fact that The Proud Family had pretty much dehumanized the dark skinned girls and had always considered the black girls ghetto and ashy. And I just realized this a few years back.
In TV shows the dark skins were always get treated worse or be portrayed as ghetto.
Exactly, to paint the Gross sisters blue is dehumanizing. And they can’t be “so ashy they’re blue” if they’re light-skinned.
I believe they were so black that they were blue. I believe their family was from the Caribbean’s but I don’t think they could say that they were so black they were blue so they called them ashy.
Talks With Ali what I’m realizing is they tried to disguise it with the look of versatility the colorist message was hiding in plain site so crazy!
@@prihaps I was also in my preteens (eh, I think between the age of 9-11), but never thought of colorism at the age I was. That didn't seem to be noticeable until I was in high school, which is when I made the realization how negativily the dark skinned girls were portrayed. It was very obvious but it didn't click until I was in ninth grade.
What about Moesha? She was smart, had a wholesome family, and she didn’t fit the stereotype of the angry black woman (in my opinion). We can't forget about True Jackson, VP either!
@Orange Sun you're implying that this review only focuses on the bad shows. Have you not watch it until the end? Plus maybe you should recommend those shows in your own comment so that people can actually check them and we all grow from this? Thanks. Take care.
I feel like weight was the problem on Moesha. It was really an issue.!
In the 90s there was an upside it seems, the 2000s really sunk, apart from maybye everybody hates Chris, True Jackson VP, Bernie Mac, and a few others. Rn i would say things are going in the right direction,
Her friend kim was a stereotype
Rewatch Moesha as an adult . The show was not that good and he was a bad friend
I'm glad you mentioned "Coming to America". That's actually the point in my life that I stopped and thought, "Okay, but why couldn't the dark-skinned girl have played Lisa? Isn't she just as beautiful and talented." And it hurt because I saw myself in her (skin-tone wise) and realised that that's the picture that society has painted of me and girls like me
@@deelovely5604 Nowhere in my statement does it say light-skinned women are not, or can not be, beautiful. What I'm speaking against is the notion that *only* light-skinned women are beautiful. If that's your view, we can respectfully agree to disagree and move on.
It’s crazy when we was young watching these classic shows and not realizing the Colorism in them. 🤦🏾♂️ Let’s also not forget that Black people created these black shows enforcing these stereotypes 😔 #ProtectDarkSkinWomenAtAllCost
Lol that screen name is cute cute! But it's so nice to see men watching eloho's videos and feeling where we're coming from.
That name thooo!
You didn't notice because these are made up lies to make you angry and blind to manipulation.
But your name 😂😂
I can’t with the screen name 😩😩 You too funny. I guess you can’t win the game before the buzzer unless you take a risky shot, so hey, why not.
I noticed in alot of shows the (men ),husband /boyfriend always darker than their partner🤔
Ruthless Stevens why lmao
ikr like in kc undercover
Because the guys always go for light duhhh
True
Because Dark chocolate is good for you 😏
Honestly Pam was funnier than Martin & Gina combined. I remember loving her acting too. I wish she played a better part Bc that girl deserved everything!
Martin was kinda sexist
@@paulai.santiago6885 Kind of? Lol
@@duncansiror5033 I wanted to say in my previous post he was sexist but didn't want someone to get "offended".
And she had a job. The same job as Gina
Pam was gorgeous, nice body, and beautiful especially over Tisha but Martin set it up like that because he is a real colorist!
Pam was a baddie tho.😍😍
Pam >>> gina
Seinie-Rosé T.V FACTS
Pam was fine af. Gina was a 7. That was sexist, but I was born in the 70's so IDGAF.
So was Toney she is my favorite in girlfriends
Istg she was better looking than Gina to me 💯
When she started singing “Living Single” .... I had a DUTY to sing along 🎤 🎶
I love Martin one of my fav shows ..but even As a kid I didn’t like that Martin would go in on Pam that hard and it would make me uncomfortable when he would say she looked like an animal, talked about her hair being fake and her not being able to find a man as a haha to her face because he had a light skin woman. Never sat well with me...like how black men now talk about how ugly we are and how we are this and that because they have a trophy light skin woman.
I was maybe a preteen and it bothered me too. I never liked bullying. But now I realized so many black men truly feel this way due to the conditioning of many generations including Martin’s show.
As a kid I remember really being annoyed by how Martin treated Pam. It was overdone and rubbed me the wrong way. Pam was gorgeous, so it felt like he was just attacking her because she was dark skin.
Same. I loved the show, but I also would get annoyed at HOW MUCH he would dog her. She would bite back so it was mutual, but he often started it and would shut her down. She was very talented and beautiful. I loved her singing voice 👏💕
I feel as though it may have been a mixture of colorism AND the portrayal of sometimes how your man "cracks" on your homegirls. It's realistic in Both instances.
@Dawni Ray so they does want to portray black women because they KNOW THEY GOT IT! And got it made INDEED!
Y’all have to remember Pam’s character is Gina’s best friend who views Martin as not good enough for Gina, rugged, and uncivilized. She looks down on him thinking that her friend could do much better. She may be loud and boisterous but she was at a high end job just like Gina. She displayed the same characteristics as some of the so called “dim witted light skins” they try to portray on television
However Martin was still attracted to her. It was obvious in some episodes between the roasting. But Pam always gave as good as she got.
I really loved family matters because the darkskin girl was the love interest and the the beauty in the show.
And smart!
Laura was fine, fine, fine.
She always treated Steve like shit🤦🏿♂️.
@@kayoterrell3344 she engaged to him at the end, so stop it already. 😤
Alicia Stover I know that, but in real life Steve should’ve been with Myra, she love him for he was. She was also pretty. Only a fool would constantly chase after a women, who doesn’t want him. I loved the show, but it gave away the wrong message. We don’t always get our dream girl. Plus in today’s age, if a guy did what Steve did, he would have a restraining order out on him, or in jail.
why can't people just love all colors, it isn't hard😭 it's actually easier to be loving than to be hateful believe it or not
It's a strategy implanted thousands of years ago, and reinforced a few centuries past, so it's going to be a hard habit to break.
it is!
Because we're living in a society structured with systemic racism that has been implemented carefully over CENTURIES.
Its impossible to ignore the problems around us and pretend they don't exist.
But we can love all people and fight racism at the same time. We can do both!
Easier said than done
The fact that I’m 13 and watched all these shows 💀
Same
Same
😂 facts
Me too 😭
That's because y'all probably have older siblings lmao or your parents watched it
"They're blue because they're ashy" 😭😭😭😭💀💀
😆😂🤣
😂😂😂😂
Oh yeah the “gross sisters”
wow
R or they blue to reference them as very dark skinned girls
On the Rugrats whenever Susie came to play she stole the whole episode and she was always putting Angelica in her place lol. All the babies loved susie
Darshanay Johnson everybody loved Susie and I hated the lack of racial balance on the show (like why couldn’t we get regular cousins and stuff of hers along with everyone else) but her positive presence with no harsh stereotypes was definitely a major plus. It really makes me wonder if they had a black woman on board with the show to keep them in check from doing anything funky with the only black character.
I loved Susie!!
Cree Summers but she had no creative control
@@milanomartin5417 Their family is white and Susie was hardly a main character why the fuck would her cousins be involved?
I would've loved Susie, too. Angelica was a bitch. She deserved all the rotten stuff she got.
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Dejanee Jones?
Black girl's name.
But the light girl's name is Penny.
K Trigs even worse, it was Dijonay.. they named her after mustard 😭😭
Good point!!!!
True dijonay got the name of food and she's also extremely aggressive Penny got a basic name lacienega got a fancy name and sticky got a street name
The whole family was named after some type of seasoning. She had brothers and sisters name Cinnamon, Nutmeg, Paprika and even Tabasco. SMH. Don't believe me. Look at season 2 episode 14
K yoooo I never thought about it that bro
Hold on. I disagree with Living Single!
Maxine's character was an intelligent attorney and the only friend who maintained her own residence. Her "aggression" toward men was more of her knowing what she wanted and not letting men or society dictate how she was supposed to behave as a woman. She also often offered sound advice to her friends. She was always a supportive person (remember when Sinclair quit her job as Khadijah's secretary, and Maxine filled in, or when she helped Khadijah, Regine & Sinclair win the $1500 settlement in the Full Court Press episode).
Regine's character was very classy and she brought much cultural education to her household (knowledge of French cuisine & the language, knowledge of high fashion, knowing how to dress for any occasion without showing too much skin, knowing how to set a dinner table and which side the silverware goes on). She definitely brought some class and knowledge to her roommate's lives, similar to what Kyle brought to Overton's world.
Yvette Lee Bowser really did a lovely job of depicting Blacks in a positive light and taking us outside of stereotypes🙌🏾
Agreed!! All the women were greatly represented on that show. It was especially important to see that two plus-size Black woman lead characters (Queen Latifah and Kim Coles) were also very desirable and successful. Khadijah owned her own magazine and could pull any man she wanted to, and Synclaire, though she eventually ended up with Overton (John Henton) was also desired and had a fledgling acting career! There aren't many, if any, shows which portray that today.
For all the reasons you stated it really shows the stereotypes. Max was the lawyer but also hyper sexual, strong, etc. All the light skinned characters were the more desired ones, more feminine ones...
@@TreasureChest0806 khadijah was a tomboy 😑
Don’t forget the Bernie Mac show! His wife was Brown skinned and super sexy. Also Vanessa was chocolate
Alyssa Harris yup! Both beautiful!
Bernie Mac Show was great 😭 nice depiction of a black family
Right
Ant rip I agree
Uncle Bernie 😭😭😭
Shout out to Little Bill. I forgot that show.
Love that show lol
One of my favourite shows from my childhood
I love it but bill Cosby ruined it
Hell Little Bill is still my shit! And I'm a whole 19 year old 👀😂
@hi919 Nah that's still a really good show. I'm not gonna let Cosby's foolish actions ruin my childhood.
As a Latina it makes me emotional, as I can really relate to all this colorism stuff, and it's hard to open our eyes to just how much tv and films made us hate ourselves just bc of our skin or hair or eye color :(( just watch any telenovela blond/hueritos Latinos are always the protagonists and the dark skinned ones/cholitos/ are always the servers or secondary characters SMH...
MariMar for example
Or the villains
Remember when Celia premiered news outlets made it such a big deal that that for the first time black characters were the protagonist in a non-slave themed story. Don't get me wrong I do thinks it was about time, but they made it seem like, "look how far we've come along". Which to me sounded kinda condescending.
Also, in Latin culture its not just if you have African features but also if your featured lean more towards indigenous. Roma for example had a huge controversy because of the Lead's features. Some mexican actors were upset that that was how mexicans would be represented. There was also "Maria Isabel" telenovela in the 90's where the protagonist was a woman from an indigenous decent. But she was played by Adela Noriega who doesn't have indigenous features. But they were able to get a full assemble of good actors with said features to play the indigenous people (Huicholes). You know, the side characters. 🙄
THANK YOU for mentioning this! We have all been brainwashed. The conditioning runs deep and affects us socially, in business, personal relationships etc. it’s VERY important to bring light to this terrible practice.
DAMMIT, I'm south American and I can confirm this 100%
Dark skin Max in "Living Single" was a skilled lawyer though as was her dark skinned lover
Now that was rare-to pair two darker-skinned Black actors together in the 90s. Max and Kyle were the ULTIMATE power couple! In television and movies, that is extremely rare to see today. Even in Blackish, it's the same trope--light-skinned Black woman, darker-skinned Black man....
I will always prefer the first Aunt Viv any day.
SimplyTesha TodayTomorrowAlways yesssss!😍
I've always said that ... hate they never got her back it sucked after that.. I know alot of ppl who stopped watching it as b4 or altogether, after they switched her & I was 1 of them!
say it again for the people in the back !!!!!
@@ms.ladybug6186 I stop watching it 2
@@lynnetteperryman-kent9431 fr... it seemed extremely basic with her "safe" azz..lol😂😂
Dark skin aunt Viv was iconic.
Totally agree with you because, I do not even remember. Light skin aunt Viv . J cole in one of his iconic songs no role models. Only mentioned the dark skinned auntie that says a lot.
Yassssssss
Dark skinned Aunt Vivian was the epitome of a strong and beautiful black women. She was classy, educated, sassy, attractive and hilarious. Plus she was immensely talented. The second one was boring. I didn't dislike her but I didn't need her on the show. She added nothing.
Max and Kyle were a beautiful, perfect-looking dark-skinned couple. They were so perfect together that they were asked to reprise their characters and storyline on another sitcom: “Half ‘n Half.”
Ramone DeCurta hello 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿 thank you for reminding us
New shows like Ravens Home and Family Reunion bash these colorist stereotypes successfully.
jordanisanerd isn’t family reunion with a mixed girl. Did it change.
They have a light skin girl who looks white playing the daughter
ESTHER they chose Jade to say the black comes in all different shades.
ESTHER if you’re mixed with black then you’re considered part black. the show is trying to say that black comes in all different shades which is why they put a white passing women in the show.
ESTHER playing the role of dark skin ?
Moesha was actually a pretty balanced black sitcom. Moesha is the brown/dark-skinned protagonist, who is smart, independent, and highly desirable. Dee (her stepmom) is also an intelligent, talented, desired dark-skinned black woman (with a lighter skinned husband btw). For the first few seasons, she had the big-mouth best friend Kim, who was lighter than her.
Moesha was more on body shaming
True!
pashmina I agree. I absolutely loved moesha!!
What the shame was what they did to Frank character when they decided to let Ray J replace Countess on the show when she left for her spin off and that in turn led to the show demise
Jessica Bumpers yes, I agree. Slut shaming as well
Light skin aunt viv was boring asf,and she looked a couple years older than the dark skin aunt viv.
She is older.
Dark skin Aunt Viv had a beautiful body,she was a nice tall glass of water.
The dark skin aunt viv off set behavior is what got her fired u can even look it up nobody on the cast wanted to work with her but I do agree that they should've got another dark skinned women for the part
@@maggief1851 A nice tall glass of chocolate milk Yasss
Dark skin Viv had that sass 😝
After a while I caught onto the light-skinned wife/dark-brown-skinned husband and honestly thought it was a conspiracy theory *lol*. That really was a trend huh.
OG Aunt Viv forever!
Then the mixed daughters,black sons...how does that work 😂?
Pam did get the worst of it and it’s sad because she was the funniest, the cutest, and she was pretty smart and thiccc ✨
Atleast The RUGRATS Got It Right👏SUZIE,The Brown Skin Girl Was Smart,Kind &Strong.She Always Stood Up2TheWhite BullyAngelica,
ELOHO SUZIE BEEN🦄♥️🤗
@IAmEloho
But she away seemed a little afraid of Angelica too.
@@enolamsamoht that's even Better she was afraid but still stood up for herself. That's true bravery.
@@enolamsamoht I don't think she was afraid of her; she was just nice and wanted to take the high road.
Unfortunately they brightened her skin later on.
Commenting before finishing the vid, but isn't it funny that in a lot of these sitcoms the husband and sons are unambiguously Black, but somehow the daughters are mixed?
I know right!!
Yep!
Commercials & those fake photos in picture frames, too! They'll have black sons & biracial daughters, smh. (For the record, nothing against biracial ppl, but the pictures these companies paint is worth side-eyeing)
That dynamic led the way for our current climate of biracial dominance.
Also u see it with this baby mama culture.
Black ass dudes picking light and brights to breed with.🤷🏽
You’re only referencing my wife and kids
Family matters switched mom's from a dark skinned Harriet Winslow to a light skinned mom.
I was shocked to see that.
Jacy Fleming that shit hurt my heart baddddd 😒🤦🏾♀️
I don't remember that
Back in my childhood, I'd often watch the Cosby Show.
I always wondered how two mahogany-skinned parents could have daughters who were as white as a ghost!
:|
To be fair, a brown-skinned, or darker-skinned, Black man and woman can produce a child(ren) on the spectrum of color, so in that respect, I think it was an accurate representation.
My parents are not light skin but my sister is because my grandmother is black & white (actually can pass for white). I assumed it was the same for the Cosby Show.
A dark skin black couple can and do create white(not albino ) kids. We're the only race who's capable of doing that.
@THEwhimsical1 :exactly!
@THEwhimsical1 I wish people would stop saying full black🙄Having two black parents doesn’t mean u are more black than another(I’m not talking about people with one black parent) It’s just really stupid because u can’t tell somebody’s ancestry from looking at them....
Okay at this point my whole childhood was colorist and now I'm sad
My family is colorist. I did not know that word even exist until recently REALLY.... All I knew is that anyone draker was ugly for them😠 I grew up always playing in the sun and my melalin was always popping. But the rest of my family some was light skin and Puerto Rican mix... And Trinidad also mix... We was all mix. I always love my color... When I stop taking so much sun I look like this in my profile pic. Brown skin and when some would ask me where I was from and I would say the virgin islands they would be like but your skin🤦♀️ or your beautiful for a black woman or some 💩like that. I grew up in PR... And I notice how the world will treat a human being depending what they like👀 I love being BLACK F*** all these colorist racist asses had that 💩 all my life so fed up with it. If I say more 🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊🙊
Yvette Lambert Trinidad is not a race sis
🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
@@carterseries4287 Thank you sweetheart. I mention Trinidad because, I use it as reference also. In Trinidad they have diffrent races!!! I meant that hun. Thank you🙂
@@YvetteUniverse369 im trinidadian and colourism is BIG here. I asked my friend whats his type and he immediately said "lightskinned". He's not black but colourism affects all the races here.
*HUGS* 🤲🏾👌🏾💯
I’ve always liked dark skin aunt Vivian better.
Ellie who didn’t sis. I think that is a universal agreement. Nobody likes the second Aunt Viv. The first was definitely the best and a class act.
Because she was better....
@@DDominoGeronimo the 2nd Aunt Viv had no personality or acting ability.
Everyone did
1st Aunt Viv: supportive, sassy, dance master, beautiful
2nd Aunt Viv: always complainin about politics, not as sassy, beautiful, not as cool
as a latino i always felt like lacienga was a negative representation of latinas because of how mean she was, but regardless of whether or not she's afrolatina, your point still stands: she's rude and pretty obnoxious, but she's still seen as pretty and popular because she's rich and (most likely) lighter skinned.
As a kid watching "Martin" I always hated the way he treated Pam. So disrespectful.
To be fair Pam would roast his ass back too. It’s not like the other sitcoms where they just take it
I never understood why he would disrespect a woman and find it funny. It was never that funny.
They talked about EACH OTHER it wasn’t just him talking about her
Every lead male in a sitcom usually shit talks to the best friend tho. Shii it’s like that in real life 😂
Shakur Wright I don’t think the insults was because she was black hell Martin checked EVERYBODY on that show including Gina.......granted she didn’t get it like Pam cause Gina was the girlfriend...... now I do agree Gina was casted as the girlfriend cause she was light skinned but I don’t feel like Pam was insulted cause she was dark skinned girl she was insulted just like everyone else and plus most guys don’t like they girls best friend and most girls don’t like they best friend boyfriend I feel like they wear playing off of that.....it was even said they were supposed to be mimicking Fred Stanford and Aunt Ester hints why he calls her Ester in one episode and the actress that plays Ester guest starred in one episode
Dark skin Aunt Viv was the best
No question
Paul Lucas but i think she was taken off because she had an attitude
Hi 123 she was rude to everyone behind stage and didn’t like that will got the lead without having actual acting experience
Yep she'll always be *the* Aunt Viv.
Concerning "Girlfriends" Mya was also the sista with a family--a husband, a Black husband. That helped support the idea that not all Black men are wifing non-Black women. Her character helped to move away from the stereotypical ghetto girl with no man.
And Maya was a successful "authoress." :)
That line Patrice delivered in Coming to America when everyone found out Akeem was the prince always say with me. "Why does she always get the good ones," in reference to Lisa having the price compared to her who only had, technically, a fraud. To me, I always seen that line as a critical take on how light skin females getting the better treatment in comparison to their darker tone minor female characters in media. Golden line right there
All of this played huge parts in the coming of age transition for dark skin girls. Out of all of the shows Martin & The Proud Family definitely were more painful to watch now being older and being able to pick up on it.
Very painful. But honestly, I've always loved Pam more. She was smart and sassy. Loved her more than Martin.
beautiful blacksoul with amazing style 🤪
@Lacey Kean Isn't it crazy that you don't really notice until someone points out and makes it an issue and something to be angry about?
Candor spot it is absolutely something to be angry about tho, the only thing that we didn’t realize is how frequent this narrative was pushed.
@Scorpio L That's an important distinction. If you notice it, see it as wrong and simply say so, that's great. When you get angry about it, you end up just like them. Then they call that 'self hate'. All these made up terms only add confusion and stir up anger imo
Pam looks better than Gina though.😆
leximakeupful Pam stayed my favorite character!!
leximakeupful She really does.
leximakeupful I always thought this when I was younger!!
Yung Iso Hell we get that anyway back then and now.
I loved Pam
You forgot “ A Different World”!!!
Good show, but rife with colorism! They went from one “most desired light skinned character” to yet another!!! Denise to Whitley anyone???
Yes! I saw that as well!
yesss
And Whitley wasn't even all that. There were other pretty women that could have gotten that spot like Kim, or Freddie, jaleesa...
U notice how they stereotype lightskins and darkskins aren't how they really are. This really pissed me off I'm 14 and i didn't notice this until now. Thank u for pointing it out
I loved the woman that played Vivian Banks from the start. She was a queen and a wonderful female role model 🤗❤️
Ashley from fresh prince was pretty, woke and confident and dark skin. My favourite of the Banks
Hibo Gure same! Her and dark skin aunt viv
Original Aunt Viv was Royalty. I loved so much. She was strong, educated. Her character was a true inspiration.
I feel like Martin Lawrence and a Steve Harvey are colorist
I loved the proud fam but the gross sisters idk if they was ashy or just dark but it wasn’t right and also Dejanay she basically a walking stereotype .
Randell Parham I thought they were aliens because they're blue. 😂
I think they were both cause their Jamaican and it already came out that they were blue because if how ashy they were
@Deona Jackson O M G I can't believe I never put this together!
i think the blue was used to imply they had deep dark skin
Theyre ashy in one episode Penny became bad and went to boot camp and she turned blue and she even said she was ashy 😂
Dark skinned Aunt Viv was positive representation for dark skinned women. Wish she could have stayed on the show.
E M. Unfortunately the actress was and still is not a positive role model for dark skinned black women. It was the character that displayed that part you liked. If they felt there was a probably with the original actress they should have kept the casting for someone that at least looked similar to the original actress. That’s the thing that baffles me with shows that switch actors. They can do so well at casting children version of original actors but fall so far behind when replacing an actor in the same timeframe. I know the industry isn’t that lacking where they can’t find an appropriate actor to not only act the part, but also look it. I also don’t agree with the notion that changing how the character acted was a critical part in making a peaceful working environment for the cast and crew.
I do know Will didn’t like her.
Milano Martin I think in real life she was just bitter bc they kicked her off of the show bc she wanted to get paid more. She had asked Will to ask the producers if they could raise her pay since he had a lot more influence. He wouldn’t do it because basically it wasn’t his problem.
Thank you for making all of these videos. I'm a white Italian who moved to the U.S. a few years ago and your videos have helped me get a way better understanding of the nuances around black American culture more than any culture class I took in college. They're too scared to bring up the stuff you bring up. Thank you
4:50 Dijonay and LaCienega are also hugely classed in the show (especially relevant to Penny). Dijonay is from the working class poor irresponsible family, “beneath” Penny in that regard. LaCienega is the rich girl, who is a rival to Penny because she is rich and spoiled. But LaCienega being light and rich, contrasted to dark and poor Dijonay here, is something I never really noticed till just now.
Also, LaCienega used some pretty blatant racist/colourist language if I recall!
Yes she does
I hate what they did to Claire 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
AaLaN LaNDa ‼️ I read that the first actress that portrayed her, her parents removed her from the show because they didn't like the heavy storylines that they were giving her so I could understand them recasting, but they still should've kept the actress dark skin. It was very disheartened to see them replacing her for a lighter skinned girl, same with Aunt Viv - the first actress who portrayed her she didn't get along with Will Smith but they should've at least casted another dark skinned actress. Ashley was brown skin and looked like neither one of her parents after the second recast.
@@araybia Carlton was the same complexion as Ashley..That means only Hilary looked the parents after the recast
@@brandonbates9259 and Nicky he looked more like first aunt Viv than the second one
@@ChocolateLover4365 sure did lol
@@brandonbates9259 Uncle Phil's mom was a chocolate woman, so I guess if this were the real world it could be implied that Carlton, Ashley and Nicki all take after their paternal grandmother??? *Kanye shrug* Lol...
On everybody hates Chris they had a great cast and no colorism . I loved that show.
Love that show and the Bernie Mac Show
Wroonnnnggg. Chris rock had to beg them to make the mom black. It was originally supposed to be a Hispanic woman 🙄.
His love interests were usually light skinned. His little brother was light skinned and he was seemed as more attractive and everyone liked him and Chris was darker and nobody liked him
There was colorism. There were episodes where tasha's grandmother called Chris nappy head and told his mom to tell her son stay away from her. Also in the prom episode the teacher hooked him up with girl who was mixed looking.
@@XOXO___3 Woww I didnt know
i would like to add that there was some colorist in everybody hates chris on the opposite side with males!!! chris’s brother drew was the only light skin in the family and got all the girls!
Innocent me thought they wanted every color so everyone could love themselves
Who remembers the sitcom show "eve"
naomi I’m from London and I loved that show
@@Ashanti_flower24 hey ☺ I'm from UK too.....but I live in Surrey.
Me❤✌
That's my show
Me
Man, if we being honest, Pam looked way better than Gina
if we being honest I say Gina looked way better than Pam
Black Dragon yea it’s the features not their skin tones
Gina looked better Lol
Pam was better looking than Gina - in every way.
@@ruth2232 Gina and Pam were the same to me neither were that cute.
Dark skinned aunt viv will always be my aunt Viv. She was *the* aunt Viv.
Im not even in minute 3 of this video and my heart is already broken... “They just look like they don’t get no love”
Girlfriends was def not colorist. Toni was beautiful & a staple in the show.
Lynn was light skin and unstable. They def balanced it.
True asf
Yes I agree
J Silva they had one episode when they addressed colorism as well. And after that there wasn’t any issues. But think about who created the show. A Black woman. So of course there would be balance
which episode was that?
And that's why I loved girlfriend
The Wayne's brothers went from supporting black women in the late 80's to early 90's to all of the Wayne's bro's and sis messing wit white women and men.
All black men are dating white women now, that is all I see at school , on the internet , in my family..
There's nothing wrong with interracial couples. We can finally have them
@@KYRA_FX 😂😂😂😂😂
@@KYRA_FX This why we'll never get anywhere. Y'all fetishise white people too much. I'm just being honest.
@@kaylad4486 thats true but what if you actually love the person you're with and not for their skin color?
Damn. I’m white and didn’t notice this when i was a kid, but I sure as hell have picked up on it in the last 10 years or so. More people need to talk about this.
Also, for the record, Aunt Viv was the best. I remember wanting an aunt like her.
I’m just finishing middle school and literally from the moment I first came to the school, all the guys no matter what skin complexion or race on their stories or when asked in person they say “I date light skins and Hispanics “ like they won’t go for dark skins periodt but will if they are a dark skinned Hispanic. I didn’t / don’t wanna date anybody but it’s just so ignorant to see them blatantly disrespecting all dark skinned black women.
That's a real eye-opener. Wow. If this shit's happening in the young generation now at this rate, black women would be disregarded even more than now. This is disgusting omfg why
Oh it’s present in even younger ppl. So sad
Maxine was a successful attorney, top of her class in college, and one every court case. She got just as many dates as Regine. I just had to mention that. In fact, Living Single managed to make all the characters were more complex than what they were on paper.
Megan Reynolds Thank you for saying this. I’ve seen various videos around a lot of the same shows mentioned here and this is the FIRST time anyone has ever mentioned Living Single and singled out Max. Max was ALWAYS my favorite. She was goals for me as a young black girl
@@YellowRanger_ Thanks. Max was good fashion inspo, she was killing those suits and monochromatic looks.
I also don't think Max was a mooch even though she in fact mooched, lol. She was originally one of their roomates but Max and Regine fought like cats and dogs. That's when Max moved out, Sinclair moved in, and Max became their neighbor. So whatever dynamic they had before never went away.
I found her to be a positive character too. Also, loved the chemistry between her and that beautiful, deep chocolate man Kyle!
@@greenbyrd3665 i loved max as a kid. Lol
@@meganreynolds1085 I L❤VED Max 😋😎
I always felt like the Proud Family's colorism was *extremely* obvious. Even though I loved that show. It was one of the very few if any black cartoons out at the time (kinda like now).
ah lol I agree I know of colorism as a child I am brown skin and still to this day get your dark or your light skin 🙄
Dark skin is beautiful.
As a Latino, I am aware of the “spicy latina” trope having the SAME characteristics as the “loud independent black girl”...yet one is seen as sexy and the other is seen as an annoyance. Thanks for talking about it and acknowledging colorism is in every community (sadly). Definitely something we need to tackle
The Parkers is another show that perpetrated a lot of dark skin female stereotypes.
And made it seem like no one wanted Nikki because she big, black, and loud until the final season when she was finally given a love interest that wanted her fr
@@MultiAbc678 This. Even as a child watching the show it made e cringe how they had her character constantly chasing after that professor and the countless ways he would shut her down
@@MultiAbc678 gotta disagree on that. Men definitely wanted her throughout the series. She was just too stuck on the professor
All of the characters on girlfriends were a mess and unfulfilled just in different ways.
Diamante Monae I agree. Nikki got a lot of male attention she just specifically wanted the professor. I didn’t like how every woman the professor wanted instead of Nikki was always lighter and skinnier than her. Like significantly smaller and lighter as if to say a woman dark and plus sized could never attain a man like the professor.
On one side white shows are not going to represent black people then you got black shows that hold on to stereotypes for dear life 😑 we can’t even count on ourselves 🤦🏾♀️
Rachel J how? 👀 it’s not getting better
And still have white people on our shows but white people hardly have us on their show with highly positive representation.
Black shows made ny white people
@Rachel J Um ok? I'm just gonna pretend i didn't read a comment that was random and unrelated to the conversation. God why is the internet so weird?
That's because most of those shows we think are Black have white writers or are owned by White people.
I’m 17, but I binge watch living single, fresh prince, the parkers, moesha, etc. every chance I get. I grew up with these shows😊 However, as I got older and keep getting older, I started to notice the colorist on a lot of these shows. I also noticed that they would often replace dark or brown skinned characters with lighter ones and other aspects of colorism.
Living Single was my favorite show. I still watch it up to this day. I also still watch Girlfriends.
Dark skin Aunt Viv gave me Claire Huxtable realness! I love that she was unapologetically herself and had personality for days. She slayed that role! No disrespect to the light skinned Aunt Viv but she was kinda forgettable...almost like a trophy wife....good to look at but not much else. Thank you for making this!
Amen!! Thats the truth! Dark skinned Aunt Viv gave me life!! The lighter one was a lil too submissive for me. The original aunt Viv gave me strong, independent, making sure blacks knew where they came from
darskin aunt viv was a real one ! they should never have replaced her
I heard the reason they got rid of her cause she didn’t get along with the cast or something like that. She was a good actor but not that good of a person.
girl i stopped watching 😂
She left on her own
@ tbh wish she didn't leave
She has said herself that at the time she didn’t like/get along with Will or any of the cast. The cast said she was very problematic when it came to filming the show. When they had a reunion no one hit her up when everyone asked why multiple cast members said she’s just not a nice person.
And it’s crazy cause Pam KEPT IT TOGETHER. She never looked a mess but caught the worse where (let’s be honest) Gina was.. Ight and did the minimum and got the best
6:30
I cannot stress how happy I am to hear someone say this is!!
People think I'm crazy when I say this.
Light skin mom and dark or brown skin man.
Look around next time you go out in public.
What do you see MIST of the time?!
Red women with dark men.
Why?!
I don't understand the last part of this comment. "Red woman with dark man."