The problem with that episode is that the friends turned on ZOEY! Zoey who was always the white nerd, the uncool girl. Zoey had always stood up for her friends. She never wanted to have "white privlage" even in the original episode when Penny bumps her head and goes back in time to when blacks and whites were not friends...Zoey was really quick to be her friend. Zoey always had their back and it wasn't about skin color for her. Then she got the attention of the cute guy and they turned on her! Thats not showing "girl power" or sticking together it is showing how fast you should turn on your friend. Zoey didn't know the dude only liked her because she was white and Maya had only heard it through gossip from the cousin. Maya could have been wrong! They didn't even give Zoey a chance and that's why people are mad!
Now that I think about it, that episode really was bad. I think it’s just how Penny and her friends actually are. They’d care more about some random boy who is colorist than their friend. It’s not surprising for me (if you watched at least HALF the episodes where they turn on Penny for shitty reasons).
I don't think the boy was colorist? He just has a preference for white girls just like how some people only date within their own race.@@ThatGalFromDominoes
@@laurenmungaray3912people say it stems from racism or whatever, but it’s not even like the black dude said “im only into this race and all the others are ew”
I've noticed in almost any eppisode that heavily involved colourisim, Zoey tends to get the short-end of the stick. It's incredibly hamfusted and tasteless, IMHO.
They are mean to zoey ALL the time. Zoey is the coward that is nervous and neurodivergent, shes like buttters or chucky finster. She the first one who tells them not to do the bad idea they have.... and then they do it anyways..... 🤨 And then each time zoey runs home like everyone else when they get caught you're all ready to play that tired ass line of "PENNY WITH HER BAD IDEAS DRAGGING EVERYONE INTO HER DRAMA, NEEDS NEW FRIENDS " Are you fkn serious..... 😒
@@WillianyAmill Wait..Zoey is neurodivergent!? I never knew that. I always see Zoey as a shy nerdy awkward girl that not many boys asked her out. But when an attractive guy asked her out, Penny’s friends get mad at Zoey and decides not to invite her to the princess party. They were simply jealous of Zoey.
They implied Zoey was Ugly. Which was crazy cause later in the Season i think the show confirmed that Zoey is like Penny's best friend (Us Parody episode)
And shes a ginger, why are gingers aways shown as ugly ducking, nerd or bully i dont get it Quazimoto, Randel from recess, darla from finding nemo, the bully from lilo and stitch dexter fron dexters lab Whats that about
Zoey is the only nice one in that friend group! Everyone turned their back on her so fast! She had never ever done that to the other friends and they all knew it and yet as soon as they heard the notion that it was Zoey and because she was white they attacked her. They didn't know for sure....
I really think the reason why the colorism episode was terrible was because for them to actually do a great job on it, they would have to look at themselves. They knew how they portrayed dijonay in the show was just plain colorist so for them to speak on it, would be hypocritical Also, you have the best take on this episode so far
Sorry if this sounds stupid, but I always hear "colorism" and "colorist" when it comes to this episode and nowhere else. Is that another term for racism/racist?
@@Queen_Sakura I would describe colorism as the child of racism. It's when someone is discriminated against for having darken skin. The difference between colorism and racism is that colorism usually happens within the community.
@@Queen_Sakura It exists within racism. Colorism is the level of mistreatment towards an individual based off the darkness of their skin. It exists in many cultures and communities. The difference between racism and colorism is that within racism, the mistreatment is due to their race, ethnicity. In the case of colorism, the injustice is directed towards people with dark(er) skin AND this usually happens within the same ethnic groups.
The people behind the proud family shown their true colors in this episode. Despite having a black female representation, they constantly displayed misogynoir. That why I only trust the writers from Craig of the Creek, Moon girl and devil dinosaur, and Infinity Train to write black girls or women.
Craig of The Creek doesn’t talk about race. They just portray almost EVERYTHING they can think of. LGBT even portrayed in unique ways and it’s never a big problem. The main female (Kelsey) is a lesbian (I didn’t expect that at all).
@ThatGalFromDominoes, yeah, but i think since it's a kid show about imagination and such, they don't want to get too deep into stuff like race or sensuality, which is why i think they do it subtly with Kelsy
@@rantannigacha8167 First off, I'm black. Second, it's nice to see that Gacha fans still have no empathy for others. Just how the people of your community made a fucking Columbine video. Don't think we forgot.
@2clownz.1circuz because if calling out colorism is "pitting women against women," then the person is OBVIOUSLY NOT of AA descent or is a lighter poc or a non poc. Saying that "no one is winning here" because colorism and negative racial stereotypes are being called out is insane. People are fine with bullshit as long as it doesn't affect them ig.
@@rantannigacha8167 pretty sure they aren’t saying calling it out is pitting women against each other (because the show doesn’t even point out her friends being colorist, they make them act unnecessarily mean toward her and treat it as if they’re so high and mighty by the end), it’s the way the show tries to justify Penny and the rest of her friends excluding Zoe because the new boy is into her because she’s white. The way they badmouth her on the group call then try to leave her out of their party is pretty fake of them and then the show trying to make it seem as if they’re in the right at the end of the episode as if she owed them an apology to begin with. And this isn’t the first time the show has made them act fake as hell then get off Scot free by the end of the episode. And you saying lightskins aren’t affected by colorism is colorist in itself. Every black person has experienced and is prone to experience colorism. Lightskins are still African American.
Personally I’d make the character even older, maybe college aged. This way we can justify bigger personality changes and less pedagogic plots. What do Gina, Nubia and Olei DO once they’re no longer tethered to each other and can pursue their specific interests? (also pro-tip to the Gross parents: do NOT dress your children to match each other. It’s damaging to their sense of self. Even if the plain white tees and overalls are all they can afford, there should at least be a sense of uniqueness among the girls, especially since, being different ages and sizes, they’d probably pass their clothes down to each other anyway. Look how happy Olei is once she gets to try new things)
I hated this episode so much. They had the perfect setup for dealing with colourism 20 YEARS+ AGO from the original series. The lighter skinned Penny and the darker skinned Dijonay. They could've called out the older show for how the lighter skinned girl had an air of grace and elegance about her, while the darker skinned girl was the ghetto rat butt of the joke that couldn't even get a boy to spit in her direction most of the time. Instead, they chose to focus on some biracial guy liking white girls and wanting to ask her to the dance. Then for some reason, Penny and Dijonay (who already HAVE boyfriends) get mad and gaslight Zoey into thinking the situation was her fault in the first place.
Dijonay doesn't have a boyfriend, and Penny was the only one who supported Zoey in that episode, but overall, I agree with you. I find it odd how they made Dijonay the fat, black, loud, and ghetto girl, while Penny was the elegant, light skinned, graceful girl. It kind of reminded me of the parkers, with Nikki being a generally unlikeable character like Dijonay, and Penny being a character you can actually feel bad for, like Kim.
There’s another episode where penny’s mom abandons her in the street because she sneaked out and it’s treated like a good thing, so yeah the shows writers are really weird about morality..
@@chillcreature737 i feel like that’s just not correct at all?? You can be racist towards other minorities, you can even have internalized racism which is a type of racism, also considering the show’s past history with anti asian racism i’m not surprised.
@@tuney7319 yes yes yes! As a black person, it really shocks me that the community advocates against racism yet do the same thing to other minorities. And even to each other. They think that it’s not a big deal or have the same mindset as what Penny said, which is sad.
@@tuney7319 can confirm this, though it's not only minorities, as black people can be racist against anyone, same as anyone. (Saying they can't is ironically racist) For example white people and other races are oppressed in South Africa by the black majority, such as my family. If you thought America was racist, black people have gone to the lengths of trying to wipe all other races out in the country, and guess what, they still have slavery/trafficking going on. Came to the point where my grandma (rip) had to carry a gun around every time she went out.
it shouldn't have been a one episode thing but a whole plot point, shown through many episodes. Imagine: Zoey begins dating this guy and he's constantly antagonizing only djonay, to the point she leaves the friend group. Then it can be a thing where Zoey chooses to stand up for her friend and confront her bf. Lacienega and Penny could even learn a lesson from this, too.
If I may expand on this idea and suggest that it's not even overt harassment, it's just a series of microaggressions that really make Dijonay feel unwanted (and also make the other dark-skinned black characters give a little side eye)
Another video I saw mentioned the irony of how Dijonay and Penny had dark-skinned love interests, but became sidelined on who the light-skinned guy was interested in. That would've been an interesting way to counter the cono against Zoey.
@@kythekunoichi Eh, I don't agree with this take. Bodies are bodies. Girls who hit puberty sooner and happen to have larger chests or hips or lips will be treated as if they're trying to be/act sexy. They have to cover up more, they're more stigmatized if they want to try makeup, that sort of thing. They're not allowed to just exist without being policed and sexualized by grown-ass adults. Not to mention the adults that take it as an excuse to be inappropriate because she "obviously wants attention." They're even bullied by other children for it; I've witnessed that part first-hand. I'd be on your side if they, like... actually sexualized Dijonay at all? But it's just how her body looks. If it weren't for the fact that this show wound up dropping the ball so hard, and the fact that they probably couldn't get away with this topic in a kids show, it would be cool to have an episode about how adults oversexualize chidren's bodies and create things like shame complexes, body dysmorphia, that sort of thing.
@@lagtim327 in the hood the guys on the block would literally watch her grow up protect her and all then by the time she bout 16-17 they in her ear trying to get her to continue the cycle
This episode is exibit A of fumbling the bag this could have been a chance to highlight actual colorism in society but instead its a glorified temper tantrum
Even as someone who has just seen reviews of this show and episode, there's clearly a better story of the girls wanting to PROTECT Zoey from the celebrity kid. A sort of "we're realizing that this guy is a creep, he doesn't care about you for YOU, you need to get out of this situation," and the conflict comes from an ASSUMPTION of jealousy. But they do care about their friend and they don't want her feelings to get hurt when the bell comes to toll. And that's where you have the conversation about the weird favoritism of white women over black women from black men.
Can we also talk about how gross it was that Zoey`s friends INSTANTLY turned on her, and made HER out to the be villain for a MAN`S preferences? They never apologized either, they made HER apologize. This was such a brutal episode normalizing and championing colourism, racism, and toxic femininity. Especially since learning more about how the Celts and Scots, ESPECIALLY the Irish were colonized, criminalized intentionally to force them to be indentured slaves on colonies... there is a REASON their phenotypes are considered ``undesirable``, they weren`t considered ``white``, or fully human in the history of the USA EITHER. It was written into LAW that they weren`t fully people. There is a REASON why ``frizzy`` red hair, pale pink toned skin, freckles etc. have been deemed ``undesirable`` in British colonial countries. There is a REASON red heads were disproportionately sexualized, and murdered in history including in the witch trials. It`s just racism, they have only recently been considered ``white``. They took ALL of this, and made it her ``fault`` instead of understanding how discrimination and fetishism often exist as two sides of the same coin, they villainized HER instead of questioning HIM. She, who was deemed ``unattractive``, ``undesirable``, ``uncool`` etc. FINALLY had SOMEONE interested in her, and she had to be villainized and apologize for it with all that historical context. No, no ma`am, I`m not cool with that. That felt gross AF. It would have been fine IF it could have been a TEACHING MOMENT, but it wasn`t, they just made Zoey feel terrible for something she didn`t do, because how DARE she be happy SOMEONE is interested in her. They also made the Black girls disloyal the second a light skint boy comes in the picture which was WILD.
Not to mention, Zoe is a white ginger girl, and we know how much Disney hates gingers. It makes sense she's would dress up as mrianda from the only pixar princess movie brave and what Disney did to making her into giving her the most stereotyped Scottish accent on reck it Ralph 2
I think that’s more an issue with specifically Scottish cultural erasure. People ignore it because they’re white and most simply don’t care. Scotland, Ireland and wales have a similar issue where they have a unique culture, language and heritage that are actively being erased but it’s never discussed outside of jokes or stereotypes
I personally think that being an activist should very much not be labeled as masculine. You can be a feminine woman who fights for your rights. That was an issue I had with this video. I do agree however that representing POC to be always "combative" and "argumentative" has led to further discrimination against them.
And the worst episode wasn’t even this one. It’s the one glorifying abuse where Trudy locks Penny out of the house because she was out late with friends.
I've seen videos talking about that episode, and the comments were FULL of people claiming that what Trudy did wasn't abuse, or that Penny deserved it instead of simply grounding her inside the house and taking away her allowance or telling her she can't hang out with her friends/boyfriend for a month. That would've been a MUCH better punishment than locking her out and telling her to go to Suga Mama's house, alone. At night.
I always felt some kinda way about Sugar Mama smacking Oscar with her cane. I get that it was supposed to be a joke but it came across to me as more mean-spirited than anything else.
@@wisemage0 I agree. TPF needs to stop with the glorification of abuse as acceptable and normal in Black families. It's not funny. It's destructive and damaging and has severe psychological side-effects on children in the future, all while giving parents a power rush. And it needs to stop.
I’m honestly puzzled as to why this is labeled the "colorism" episode. Every time I try to discuss colorism, it inevitably gets tangled up with gatekeeping blackness when it comes to mixed-race individuals or some aspect of racism. Without fail, I end up being silenced once again by some variation of "white woman tears."
Maya's drama stirring stuff. Maya is simply there to be worse than Dijonay. Dijonay will be backstabby, but Maya is a discordant. Discordants do far worse.
@@millsgurl8358As a white woman, this episode just sort of disturbed me. Why? Because it isn't just about a preference for white people, but the weird fetishism white women have to put up with. Not saying that women of other races don't have this problem, because they do, and the show did nothing to tackle it. When a black guy says "I like dating white women" there is often more to it than just that he finds us more attractive. Just a lot. And the show did nothing with this. Instead, Zoe was crazy and delusional for dating out of her league, her friends were jealous and petty, and Penny was in tears because she is the only somewhat redeemable person in this show. It wasn't nice to anyone.
@@rosesweetcharlotte agreed. there is a real fetish that black men have for white women, that is never called out and would've been perfect for this episode to. Bassically black men who have it refer to their white partners as 'snow bunnys' they talk about dating white women as if they are exotic objects. Unfortunately its only black people who hate mixing races who call them out on it, thus it never gets much attention.
For me I really hate how this episode pit teenage girls against each other. It reinforced the idea that teenage girls are all petty, catty, jealous, vindictive, and cruel towards each other and value male validation over their friendships with other girls. When you erase the race aspects from the episode and just boil it down to its bare essentials, it’s basically just a bunch of girls catfighting over a boy and destroying their relationship with each other because a boy chose another girl over them. Because why didn’t they confront Noah about his racism? Or try to help Zoey see the light? Why did they instead leap to attacking and stigmatizing Zoey? If Zoey knew that the guy was racist and continued dating him despite her friends trying to warn her, then I would understand their beef. But instead, they get mad at Zoey for no reason, without even trying to talk to her about it, and just tell her that she’s ugly and undesirable and would never attract a guy unless he was a racist POS with a race fetish, otherwise they would come out on top(and then they say nothing when she brings up Myron and just tell her “you just don’t get it”). They basically see her as the ugly girl who doesn’t stand a chance against them in the romance department and needs to stay in their shadow so that they look better. And I hate it. This episode was clearly written by sexist adult men who don’t understand anything about teenage girls and think that we all hate and have it out for each other.
@@Car-qu2bcwait really?! 😭 I’m actually shocked I thought a man wrote it. Not that surprising given women perpetuate misogynistic attitudes all the time but still ...
This... is going to sound really weird, but seeing the designs next to each other made me realize that I genuinely need to know *who* exactly it was that decided it was a good idea to make Dijonay's head shaped like an onion. She stands out so much and not in a good way, because everyone else looks "normal" and then Dijonay has a weirdly pointy head. Like, she looks great in both the Cinderella outfit and in that "future" design, meaning that they *can* draw her like a normal human being. But this begs the question *why* is her head so pointy? It actually almost seems malicious at this point? Why do this to her? I know this is a weird thing to be bothered about, but the fact that Dijonay is the only one who has this weird pointy head-shape just makes it look so... odd and stand out even more?
Its crazy that both Dejanae and Penny both overlook their darker colored boyfriends for Noah, who is light skinned, and then try to preach to Zoey about colorism. The entire episode just falls apart the more you think about it.
Coming from the outside looking in. I grew up in a VERY white town where the only African American woman was dark skinned, curly haired, and was in a position of Management at bank. Her lazy stay at home husband was white. When I moved down south, I remembered being shocked by certain comments. I remember being confused about why anyone would say that straight hair was more professional. I certainly didn't understand colorism at the time because I wasn't exposed to it. As representation becomes more pronounced, it really becomes important to bring these things up. Not only for the community but for outsiders like me who are confused about what the hell is going on. Maybe if Zoey had it explained to her, she could have been the one who was horrified. She loves her friends and would have been upset about something she would have been blind to. IDK, I'm not the one to write this.
@@charliepuppy. I agree, I was so confused by the statement. I moved to the south, and apparently a lot of girls hold that opinion about their hair here.
Louder and Prouder is the epitome of wasted potential. They had a golden opportunity to address all the errors of the original. The colorism, the toxic friend groups, male sexual harassment being played as a joke, child favoritism, parentification, parents not always making the best decisions. But they just gave us more of the same. I like how you mentioned the appeal of the og series of just have the black characters be, well, normal. They weren't mouth pieces, they were characters. Just normal people living their lives with normal problems. How impactful would it have been to show that toxic friends isn't a "black girl thing." That no means no is a fact regardless of gender. That hey, just because behavior is normalized, doesn't mean it's right. I never minded Dijonay that much cause I knew a couple of girls like that growing up. But it's still harmful. Why not have another dark skinned black girl. Why not address why Dijonay is so toxic at times. If they were good writers, they could have made it a Riley from The Boondocks situation. Mirroring behaviors they see on TV cause they think that's how they're suppose to behave as black people. I was somewhat excited for Louder and Prouder, but alas. We just got more of the same.
The parent rhing was somewhat acknowledged in the episode where they said bebe has autism or adhd i forgot which but the father was just denying it and it was a good representation of how parents in general act but also how some black families are with autism like they dont wannt belive the doctors
HELL now that you bought Boondocks, Huey was what Maya SHOULD’VE been! He was pretty active and stood but it never came out as annoyingly preachy or (sometimes) reckless. Damaging relationships and stuff. He knows to just leave things at it is because ignorance is bliss sometimes.
South park did the "you don't get it" message SO MUCH BETTER. With Stan trying his hardest to relate to Tolkien and finally understanding that he will actually never really get it, since he doesn't experience colourism. And that's when Tolkien starts considering him more of a friend as well, because Stan tried to relate and realised he never will, which is a big step in understanding colourism
This and another video on colorism made me realize that South Park is the only show I’ve seen where it’s two dark skinned black women characters are pretty level headed and non stereotypical
which is a little surprising for south park considering South Park’s characters are supposed to be laughing stocks, even Chef was a good representation in the show
@@IivingdeadgirIlShows that black characters are way better represented when they’re not just there for pandering, this coming from a black woman myself.
@@alysssabear I'd argue that a lot of the representation on that show is pretty good. Disabled characters like Jimmy and Timmy don't exist to be these pandering props. Instead they are actual characters who are treated just like everybody else. They can be the voice of reason or be as stupid and ignorant as the rest of the townsfolk. They both have personality traits, hobbies and interests that have nothing to do with their disabilities. Nobody makes fun of their quirks like Jimmy's stutter or Timmy being only able to say his name, including characters like Cartman. The boys make sure to include both of them and accommodate for them. The same can be said about the queer rep. I think that's how you do any good rep. Write a character, and just take a few things into consideration when thinking about how marginal identity affects who they are. We're all people at the end of the day, even if we have things about us that separates us. What's so hard about that to understand?
@@sorcerersapprentice This. Because even if they are intended to be comedic characters, they have to be characters, and have more then just jokes. If they only had jokes, it wouldn't be funny or amusing anymore, but since they have more depth, it is funny when a joke is made.
I see people point out garrison as the show hating gay people but the show makes a good deal to point out its not his sexulity, its just garrison himself. “Children, they’re are gay people and then theres mr garrsion”
yeah as someone who ended up marrying outside of my own race, I REALLY hate the notion that I BELONG to my own race first... like no I will date whoever I want and the men of my race have NO claim on me.
Louder and Prouder is such a disappointment. The show is visually gorgeous, incredibly, but as soon as I saw that colorism episode, I know the creators don’t really have good intentions, or maybe they do, but it filled with this weird hatred. That episode also falls flat cause Zoey is shown to be the ugly friend, we had a whole episode from the original dedicated to the other girls giving her a glowup, so to some watchers, the other friends just comes off as angry not because of colorism or race related reasons, but because how dare the ugly one of their group gets an ounce of attention from a pretty guy. Also I think Maya had potential to be good, but unfortunately she’s just an online activist who is a big hypocrite, I know this show points this out too Also about the colorist family thing with the dad being darker and mom being lighter, Little Bill is way ahead of its time having a darker mom and lighter dad, pretty sure Little Bill’s brother and sister is like that too and also Little Bill himself and his black female friend
something i always found strange and hypocritical of this episode is how penny and djonay obsess over this light skinned black boy, when they themselves are already dating dark skinned black boys. They themselves have the preference for lighter skinned boys, rather than sticking with their loving boyfriends who just so happen to have brown/dark skin. This level of hypocrisy is so tone-deaf, that it sucks it's almost never mentioned when people are discussing this episode
They were jealous of Zoey! They had boyfriends/love interests of their own, and yet they felt entitled to Noah because he's black and successful. They're insecure!
They didn’t care that he chose Zoey until they heard that he was colorist and went out of his way to only date white women. It’s not Zoey’s fault but she’s not allowed to act ignorant when it comes to racism and black people are tired of it .
I can remember the episode that where they help Olei embrace her femininity being my favorite growing up. At the time, I saw so many people trying to say that bigger girls couldn't be feminine and enjoy traditional girly things, so the episode felt like a breath of fresh air. Olei looked so pretty after her makeover too! I loved her hair ❤
From a white woman's perspective, this episode felt gross, terribly written and the conflict was started from a rumor. A rumor Maya couldn't even show any proof of. She just points to him going to zoey and another white girl as proof. How the girls chose to treat zoey in this situation, especially when at least 2 of them already had partners, Was incredibly petty, spiteful and jealous for a rumor that came from a third party they don't even know. Maya herself is iffy with credibility in this show. Now coming from my own personal experiences, white women do experience fetishization as does any woman from any race. Its clear the writers didn't even think about the fact this happens to all women of every shade, size and background. They even had the audacity to make it zoey, a red head. Red heads are fetishized A LOT in media and in real life. The fact they couldnt even have the girls be concerned their friend might be fetishized just doesn't sit right with me. Don't even get me started on them having Michael claim to be part native to get away with putting him in pochantas's costume. When disney's telling of 'pochantas' has heavily been scrutinized for fetishizing and romanticizing a story about the first Native american girl to be kidnapped from her home. No one who actually was descended from her or her tribe would be caught dead supporting that movies message. Especially since that movie made it seem like natives were equally in the wrong for wanting to protect their home and people. I can't tell if that was the writers being stupid at understanding the backwards thinking of including that alone in an episode about colorism, or if it was disney themselves trying to cover their ass for even acting like that film is even remotely ok to promote now a days when we all know better.
@@fubukifangirl they should've recasted Sticky instead of creating that harpy. She effectively made Dodie from As Told By Ginger looked like Millie Helper from the Dick Van Dyke Show
The writers seem to have a surface level understanding of the "woke" topics they write which shows in the fact their viewers come away MORE confused about colorism then they did at the start... I'm a white women who never even heard the term before this and I honestly figured it was a new phrase for mixed color relationships if one of them is bias which it kinda is but not the FULL meaning by a long shot... (surface level...) They had the chance to tell a meaningful story only to fumble it hard because honestly the "harder" stories shouldn't boiled down to "girl drama! lol"...
Hello @Ky The Kunoichi, you really brought up a lot of great and important things that a lot of people should know about, and I have also noticed colorism in the Latino community in both Hollywood and Mexico. I know they always have stereotype’s on us being criminals, thugs, drug dealers. I know those exist but not all of us are like that, but when they do try to put in positive representation of Latino I noticed that they only put in more light skinned or in this case white skinned Latinos in their movies and shows, and they get better roles like playing doctors, lawyers, scientists, while the brown skinned ones just play the same roles of thigs etc. I just wish that Hollywood would stop doing this and actually try get more brown skinned Latinos and make them get better roles. Also you really have a beautiful voice. Please don’t think I was being creepy.
I knew I couldnt trust new proud family at all when I saw Michael. They took a gay male character virtually devoid of harmful stereotypes and they corporate yassified him beyond recognition not to mention hes annoying. It physically pained me to see him.
If they were older I would believe it, but in what way in hell is a 14 year old gay boy dressing like that? Hollywood doesn't realize that most-to-all of the yassified gay boys out there actually start it once they graduate highschool. Before then its mostly going around looking emo or androgynous. Because its easier to fit in school that way without the constant target on your back. Like I actually liked OG Michael's fit tbh more than the reboot.
That's what I was thinking, what's up with that? I'm a bisexual woman but I care about my community and I HATE HATE how they ALWAYS have to make us fit stereotypes. Like, he is gay, ok? He has a wacky personality and he is funny, that's great! It's great that they make him human, that's great representation. Ohh wait, now they have to yassify him for NO REASON, I guess he just wasn't "gay enough" for them...
Being a feminine queer man or boy is not a bad thing and having sanitized versions of queer people to avoid "harmful" stereotypes that challenge gender expectations. A lot of queer men are more feminine. That's not a rule but it's just disingenuous and having feminine male characters that aren't irredeemable evils, Feminine people tend to prefer to present as beautiful rather than handsome. I don't see how Michael would, should, or has to be different.
It was so lazily written. They literally had the moment where Dijonay could’ve explained it and been the protagonist, but just chose to have her say “you just don’t get it” and storm out
Let's be honest, this episode was all an excuse to rip on the white character without repercussion, because she "deserved" it for being white. This wasn't "girl power" or anything, it was pure hate for the one character who was always kind, awkward, socially shy, etc.
I'm not black, but even I can tell that the creators of this series are out of touch. Like everyone and their cat has said, they could've addressed the actual issues with the original series like how it treated Dijonay. But, nope. Instead we get the girls acting like Zoey stole their man, just because a guy likes her. Yay! 🙄 Plus, they all have boyfriends, so none of this should matter in the first place. They should be supportive of her, not ripping her down.
the shows obsession with shaming white people for being white is why i don’t want my little sister to watch it. too much hate in this world, i don’t want to teach her that. ofc i want her, as a black girl, to see shows with girls like her so things like moon girl or craig of the creek are what we watch.
It’s so refreshing to hear a different take on this episode, because I had no idea the real depth of this issue! Great job on the video! By the way I want to point out that Micheal is dressed as Pocahontas to honor his native heritage, which is ironic because you’ll never meet a Native American who has something nice to say about Pocahontas
@@jackboat314 Same here. Worst of all, her argument in general (14:00-15:36) is otherwise valid. That sole "it's very masculine" affirmation brings it all down.
@@Glowsparkle Fr, I'm almost starting to think she's kinda conservative in how much she values gender roles. Like, girl, who cares about what society deems "masculine" and "feminine", I'm a woman because that's who I am and that's who I have always been, doesn't matter if I act """masculine""" ??? Same goes for any other woman in the world. Imagine stopping standing up for good causes because it is "masculine", as if that would take away your identity as a woman.
Yeah and also is the character actually called "miss sjw" in universe or is that something only she calls her? Cuz it would kinda make the video weird if she was was expressing (very valid) frustration over inequality only to mock someone who does something against it
That episode of louder and prouder is a very good example of executive meddling interfering with the story. People love to blame the female writer(s) for writing the episode about colorism, but based on what the episode is actually about and how conversations about colorism, sexism, and fetishization actually go, you can tell that episode went thru re-write hell (and budget cuts) because the executives of the show wanted those topics watered down to please their misogyny, which means that writer's story and experiences were watered downed and whitewashed multiple times for the show. Proud family have always had an issue with misogyny and how they portrayed teenage girls and the reboot is no different. [And of course, the same old tradition of having no women in the executive, producer, and management roles of the show; only cis straight men.] The episode stopped being about colorism the moment it started to be about zoey dating a popular biracial celebrity guy with a whyte gal fetish instead of penny benefiting from gendered colorism compared to dijonay and maya. And it is obvious that the executive producers wanted the bad guy "dating" zoey to be a popular biracial male celebrity (the "we have drake at home" version) instead of a regular non-mixed MOC that was deep into the (non-white) manosphere. Maya and KG have a black dad and a white dad. Showing a few minutes of them contacting their cousins to find out more how bad noah is instead of just maya stating she heard from her cousins about how bad noah is would have helped instead of doing a disney princess party. A proud family about colorism should have been about penny, dijonay, and maya; not zoey. An episode about manospheres of color targetting and using whyte gals to promote their harmful rhetoric and harm gals of color also would have been a really great and relevant topic for the show to address but either the creators and executives and producers were too ignorant about the subject, too scared to talk about the topic, and/or didn't think the topic was a huge issue because it didn't affect them personally. To me, it sounds like the wrtiers intended to make separate episodes about colorism, the manosphere and fetishization of white gals, a celebrity visiting their school, and a disney princess party, but budget cuts were made for some reason and the creators and exectuives and producers didn't like that two of the episode ideas were criticizing cis straight guys of color for how they treat gals of color and lgbtq+ folks of color that are the same race and/or ethnicity as them. So they forced the writers to rewrite those episodes constantly until it was to their liking, then forced them to mish-mash a bunch of episode ideas into one episode because of time and money. And the creators of the show really need to stop being boomers and stop the tired old trend of mocking and torturing teenage girls for entertainment. It wasn't funny then and it isn't funny now. Just let penny have real friends and a family that doesn't parentify her already. [Before anyone mentions lacienga, note that lacienga is not afro-latina or black. Her biracial cousin in louder and prouder is half-afro-latina because her dad is afro-latino. You cannot make an episode about colorism with penny and lacienga because penny is black and lacienga isn't black. Lacienga would need her own episode about colorism in the hispanic latine community AND interact with more hispanic latine characters that aren't her family members. Based on how proud family writes teenage girls, i don't trust them to be able to write that kind of episode.]
It was weird they showed michael had been going to the princess parties since they were little when he was In the closet In the first series. Also the episode really should have addressed Noah's perspective or reasoning, but no one talks to him (on screen). They just hear a rumor about him at the beginning of the episode, immediately believe it, because no way a guy could like Zoey over them unless hes prejudiced. Great friend group...and turn on Zoey, when all she did was accept a date from a guy. Then SHE has to apologize to THEM. And the guy's clearly straight, but even Michael is mad at Zoey like she took his mans.
Personally i would have written the episode where Noah was the one who broke up with Zoey because of how her friends were acting. He could have said that he likes nerdy/awkward girls and that when he saw that she was the only one who wasnt throwing herself at him, he immediately got a crush on her because his status didnt mean anything to her. He actually enjoyed spending time with her and liked her as a person but saw how he was causing a rift between her and her friends and didnt want to force her to choose between them or him and decided to leave then we find out that the other random white girl he started dancing with was actually his cousin or childhood friend showing that the rumor that this was all based on was completely unfounded causing everyone to reflect on this. Then we could a background subplot where Zoey and Noah repair their relationship and become an onscreen couple (Noah could even have some episodes with Kareem and Darius where they bond with hobbies outside of their girlfriends being friends with each other)
There's an episode where penny is locked out of the house (because she was being a 'rebellious teen'), this was in the middle of the night too. Penny is then forced to live with sugar momma and gets abused by her. Penny is forced to cook and clean for sugar momma, she doesn't even get to eat breakfast (which she made herself) on her first day there. Not only that, she also has to cook and clean for her uncle too. There's a montage in the episode that shows the various things sugar momma forced her to do, which includes BEING BAPTISED. Eventually, sugar momma gets injured and breaks several bones, penny now has power over her. Instead of getting revenge, penny starts taking care of sugar momma while she recovers, because 'she learned her lesson'. When penny finally gets to return home her mum says "I got my daughter back". The outright abuse penny goes through is portrayed as a good thing, I was genuinely appalled when I watched the episode
That moment when Suga Mama woke up when the TV was turned off looks like my grandfather (mother’s stepfather) so even a Slav can notice something familiar here
The way they blamed Zoey, who has no idea this guy potentially only likes her for her skin tone is so infuriating. Zoey feels like someone is interested in her for once in her life and they just tear her down, accuse her of being the problem all for what? A rumor? Gossip? Zoey is the problem because of a rumor?! What garbage writing.
18:16 not gonna lie, this bit with the voice over got me 💀 but i genuinely love this video so much! i'm definitely gonna binge your black girl series when i have free time ♡♡♡
I hate how they treated Zoey like she was so ugly no one would ever want to date her and then got angry at her for not seeing their point of view when they didn't even bother to look at her's. This is literally how toxic relationships can form and sends a really bad message to anyone who may have similar features to Zoey. It unintentionally sends a bad message to any girls who might have a crush on a guy who dates a friend who has a different skin color than them, making them feel inferior or something because of something they can't control. All because the episode didn't really address the true issue. This episode could have done something great and showed the difference between preference and colorism, heck it could have even touched on the subject of toxic relationships, but instead, the guy who was displaying these feelings towards Zoey was hardly a focal point of the show. It's such a shame to see, especially when you know the OG show could have added so much nuance to a topic like this. I feel like one common thing people who are black, white, or mixed can share in the dating scene is being turned down by someone and being made to feel like your skin color is disgusting or gross to someone else. Or, if you're mixed, possibly that you're not enough of one side of yourself, whether it be not dark enough or not light enough.
when i first saw this episode i was genuinely upset because i looked EXACTLY like zoey when i was younger, and they totally implied she was "ugly." i was pale, had short red hair (although it was curly), glasses, braces, and was the tallest girl in my grade. im so upset that some kid like me will have to see someone like them being called ugly.
after hearing the summary of the episode, I can't help but wonder why they felt the need to portray Dijonay's hair as fake. What did that contribute to the rest of the episode, at all? Really weird that they would start with "the darker skinned girl has this undesirable trait" and then follow it with "isn't it weird and infuriating that Noah prefers Zoey???? Sympathize with Dijonay, please" like... they go out of their way to make the viewpoint that they seem to be trying to narrate from actively harder with that opening.
They really did Zoey filthy in that episode ☹️💔 She literally did nothing wrong but dated a guy that was interested in her. Also, the writers could’ve differentiated colorism from preference. Furthermore, I hated how Dijonae and Penny was pressed, they are literally in a relationship!? Like if their boyfriends did that I’m sure they’d dump them. Audacity everywhere in this episode 😭
As a Hispanic, i never liked this show. I hate how they portrayed the Chang triplets, were more concerned with giving the Hispanic girl a punny name instead of an actual name. Aura instead of sunset and Reina, means queen in Spanish would have been better names and fit a snobby character. I hated how Oscar was treated. I am not black so I don’t understand the dislike for other black characters in the “ white” shows. I like Venice, Garold, and others. Were people first. I did see them as black but it was in your face where they consistently tell you that they are black. As a Hispanic I prefer when they do this with Hispanic characters.
I had no idea she was Latina until watching this video. And now i learn her last name is literally boulevardez?? Wtf?? I like a good pun but these are limited only to those who know Hollywood streets, went even then how is it funny?? I legit thought she was another light skinned Black girl
16:30 my younger sister has a gorgeous afro and she recently told me and my mom that she wants to get it straightened because she doesn't like it. It's her hair and she can do whatever she likes with it, but I feel really bad and I wish there was something I could say to make her feel better about it :( She basically always keeps her hair in box braids (mostly because it's more managable), but I just feel kind of helpless. My family's mixed (black and white) and my sister has more afro-centric features, meanwhile I'm on the lighter side so I don't really feel like it's my place to tell her what to do. I see so many other dark-skin black girls my age or younger wanting their hair straightened and it just makes me feel really bad :(
Tell her that her hair is beautiful the way it is, and that she shouldn’t feel ashamed of it because society tells her that only girls who are white are pretty. And then show her clips and pictures of beautiful Black girls rocking their Afro hair.
Love the video, although I kind of have reason to pause in terms of your analysis of the way characters are presented as masculine/feminine coded. See I don't think it's inherently an issue to present certain female characters as being overtly masculine but rather it's the combination of masculine traits and framing that masculinity as undesirable and the impetus of jokes about the character (essentially framing women with masculine traits as inherently a bad thing) that is the issue. And while I find the underlying criticism to be valid (associating negative traits with darker skinned characters), I just think a greater deal of delineation is in order. But you know that's just what I think. And I wrote this comment 14 minutes in so apologizes up front if you end up addressing my criticism later in the video and I've just jumped the gun.
@@oceansolstice608are you black? The discussion is about dark skin black women being masculinized by simply existing. Not afforded femininity, being treated as aggressive and undesirable. ie “the angry black women” when a black woman is expressing herself or just has an assertive personality she will literally be called “masculine” and it’s almost a guarantee if she is of a darker complexion. It is used as a weapon to shut her up, shut her down, and invalidate her. You guys need to pay attention to the specifications, this is not about “women” in general, it is about the black demographic.
Literally could have had the plot that D was angry and hurt but cant express it, Z freaking loved having attention and felt hurt her friends ditched her with Penny being caught in the middle with being light skinned.They have a huge fight putting pressure on Penny to "chose a side" when ultimately they realize that this is racism pitting women against each when Penny explodes about this situation being another way she has to manage other expectations and not be "angry black woman", D. finally opens up on her experience with colorism and Zoey tries to apologize when they stop her and make up. Episode ends with Zoey sitting down with Pennys mom (a flashback) where she talks about the dynamics she grew up with and a friend that was an ally, when sexism/colorism pitted them against each other and ended the friendship.Z says she hopes they could talk again someday and leaves, when Pennys mom picks up the phone while looking at an old photo revealing that she was in a similar mixed friendgroup and she asks if they can talk.Epsiode ends!
@@kythekunoichi Why are you confused dark skin black folks DID write this! No one hates and destroy black image more than black folks. Its worse than if it was white or asians writing this
One of the writers of the show said she wanted to write an episode about gendered colorism and an episode about racial fetishization intersecting with misogyny (and the manosphere) based on her experiences. What needs to be kept in mind is that what the writers write is not necessarily what makes it thru the final draft. [Anyone who has seen the numerous deleted scenes of pixar's Brave knows exactly what I am talking about.] That episode clearly went thru several re-writes until it was something the creators, producers, and exectuives liked, so very likely a lot of the actual discussions of colorism, racial fetishization, and the manosphere got cut out in the end while also mish-mashing a bunch of episode ideas together into one episode.
I feel like the Proud Family tried to debunk certain bigotries(both in original and reboot), but actually perpetrated many others ... such as sexism, colorism, classism, anti-Asian racism, and ableism to name a few.
It's really telling that Dijonay is always being ranted about. I read a comment about Penny being petty because Dijonay had a talent at poetry. The comment just insinuated that Dijonay was always trying to backstab Penny, even though the poetry episode was just Dijonay having a similar talent to Penny. Yeah, Penny was just paranoid throughout that episode. I am not going to say that Dijonay was more talented than Penny at being poetic because that's what got Penny paranoid and just spiteful. I don't even like that trope that, "There is always someone more talented than you." Recess did it and pretty much had all of the kids, especially the racist caricatures from the kindergarteners just stop doing their gimmicks and hobbies. That trope just reeks of having a superiority complex, as if it's saying, "Hey, you should still keep doing what you're doing, even though so and so is way BETTER at it than you are." Yeah, there's always going to be someone more talented and better at something than me, but at the same time, there are also people that are less talented and worse at doing something than me. I should just do what I like because I'm not trying to seek validation from the majority while dogging on someone else for not having the same or similar talent to me. The Recess episode just had the perfect Gary Stu just being outcompeted by the kids that just stopped their gimmicks because they weren't getting validation anymore for practically their namesake like Upside-down Girl. But back to the point, Dijonay critics just come across as pessimistic if not paranoid, especially when it comes to the poetry episode. Can't someone that is usually demonized like Dijonay just be talented and not as double-crossers because they are portrayed that way in most of their appearances in the show? Why don't we even get to see more of Dijonay and Zoey's home life instead of their families just basically being reduced to cameos? But like you said, given this show, they will just flanderize Dijonay's home life and just make her out to be more of a racist caricature of dark skinned, African American girls then all of the other times, Dijonay's family and home life is shown.
It's weird how they are demonizing a boy for having preferences, there are people that only date people in their race and other people that just don't care about someone's race. Plus, they were already taken!
15:37 I agree with you. I just watched a video on TikTok about an Indian man telling a story about how his mom said “if you’re ever in danger in trouble look for a black woman to save you.” It Didn’t sit right with me because you’re a grown man looking for a woman to save you who’s gonna save us?! No one helps black women or black men. Look for a black man for protection or a black woman it’s so sickening but when we get killed it’s just “that’s just the way the cookie crumbles.” Nah…
I am so happy to hear a POC's thoughts on the reboot. Cause all I've been hearing is a white person's POV about it. And honestly, you hit most of the points on the head.
The show was more than colorist. It was downright racist. Just look at the Asian kids' teeth and eyes compared to the others 8:39 So many more instances like that with all the different races that appear in the show
Great video! So when celebrity guy went up to Zoey I thought framing was more typical “cool guy likes nerd girl” and story was gonna focus on that. I didn’t think at time in scene colorism was at play. Like we’re so often taught about inner beauty/seeing past surface that’s how I read it. Was kinda surprised (but not turned off to theme) when went in colorism direction. But like it falls apart so quick cause girls are acting petty. They are acting on word of a rumor from new girl most cast doesn’t like in other episodes. And they don’t put in effort to investigate the validity of rumor or even try to confront Zoey about it. They just gossip & cut her out. It’s disheartening on so many levels cause so many easy ways this story could’ve been written better to not vilify the girls for resenting colorism & to actually give Zoey an arc where she meaningfully confronts this issue. But they don’t even let her be flawed like that cause her friends are ones effectively antagonizing her.
The message about colorism falls apart especially when light-skinned characters like Penny, Lacienega, and Trudy are considered the prettiest ones in the show.
I really appreciate this video. Theres been reviews of this episode before but most of them are strictly about the episode and ignore the context that you talked about. I think it would be interesting to hear you talk about the Juneteenth episode since a lot of people go in with a political mindset regarding the glorification of racist historical figures regardless of the episode and I think you could give a more nuanced take.
20:57 this is not true, plenty of men have preferences against their race, brown/latino boys not wanting brown/latino women, white boys not wanting white women, asian boys not wanting asian women. it’s not talked about often in terms of other races, but it definitely happens where women are down talked by their own community for their skin color. this is not to negate your point because i agree wholeheartedly, and it is less common, but it’s not exclusive.
What I learned from this episode is: this friend group is HORRIBLE, and they pull the crabs-in-a-bucket routine when one of them has something they don't. How quick were they to insult tf out of Zoey ?? The girl who would dump this boy in a SECOND if she was told what was going on :(
This needs more views! I thought you were going to go easy on them after the glowing (and deserved) intro. I really enjoyed this show as a kid, it felt nice to have a little black cartoon safe space, but like yourself I grew up and noticed the colorism and negative tropes for what they are. It's so sad that the reboot had a chance to take this show in a better direction and instead doubled down. You made so many great points, can't wait to check out the rest of your series!
thank you so much! and its funny that you say this, because I went VERY easy on them LMAO The final version was my 3rd draft - I was nervous about being misunderstood lol
Not only that, it was more like a “he said she said” situation. It never showed Noah himself doing anything necessarily and obviously wrong without the other characters describing what he’s doing, and maybe if that actually was the case, it’ll be just a teeny bit better.
I know and sympathize that the video is on colorism. But Also want to bring up another episode that made me angry and showed writers’ opinions. Penny is trying to get one of the Chang triplets to do an assignment and they call her out on Model Minority Theory. Penny yells “Black people cant be racist”. Her SJW friend says Penny is right and how a person needs to be in a position of power in order to be racist. And minimizes Pennys racism as just being rude. “But black people CAN be rude” And they never readdressed it again. This pissed me off. No Penny, that wasn’t just rude. That was 1000% racist
I didn't really learn about colorism until I was older. While I was taught about racism from a young age, colorism didn't really pop up in my household with my mom and sister being light skin, my sister and I being brown skin, and two of my other sisters being dark skin.
i didn't think about it this way. the afro-textured hair is gorgeous and i envy girls with thicker hair like that. i always thought showing hair styles like Dijonay's being in a thick, poofy afro-like style in the college episode was good representation as many white folk seem to think those kinda of styles are messy and not pretty. having characters with those styles gives representation and shows them in a better light as an example of being pretty and neat. that was my opinion until watching this video. i thought by showing those kind of hairstyles was good representation for coloured girls as to be proud of their hair type. i didn't know it was harmful representation
Afro textured hair is beautiful, the issue is they assign it to negative portrayals of BLACK (not coloured) girls and women which leads to negative implications in the media. Remember; there had to be a law passed in the USA recently that made it illegal for employers and educators to disqualify and dismiss black women for wearing their natural hair to school/work. (And the law only passed in 14 of the 50 United States)
I’m black and white(both my parents are half) and black men will be disappointed when I tell them I’m black. They assume I’m Samoan or Hispanic. It’s so weird to me..
Thank you for this video. This episode has nothing to do with colorism but it keeps being referred to as the colorism episode. I was so confused and still am of where this label is coming from because no where in the episode title, description, or episode itself is the word or act of colorism ever mentioned. And yes the show, the OG and reboot, is made with colorism and probably won't address it until they're ready to take accountability for it. Nevertheless, I'm also relieved to see an opinion (other than my own) about how Penny and Dijonay at the most (if they didn't have boyfriends) have a reason for feeling the way they did. They were happy for Zoey when Noah asked her out until it was rumored that Noah exclusively didn't like girls of color. And everyone viewing this episode now sees Zoey as this poor innocent girl despite, at least in my opinion, Penny being done the worst in both series by her friends. Zoey rarely sticks up for Penny but makes Penny cry for not sticking up for her this one time. And now this episode antagonizes the black girls in the show and makes black girls come off as bitter and jealous. People are watching this episode and feel the girls are racists who are jealous and bullying Zoey, and this is bleeding into their thoughts on reality. I truly don't know if they'll ever fix the issues with the show. It has so much potential, even the characters they introduce like Noah, and then they just make it so hostile and negative. I really hope the third season is better but it's been what twenty years? If that's not enough time idk what is lol. Anyway, sorry this comment was long but this is the first video on this episode I can fully relate to. Also, I watched the Juneteenth episode. I don’t think it was that bad but I think they said something about slaves building the country and people didn’t like that too much 😂.
I don't remember if they refer to it specifically as "the colorism episode" but the creators have used the word "colorism" in interviews to describe upcoming Season 2 episodes and their themes, as well as "exploring colorism via the Dijonay character" which... doesn't really sound like this episode at all, but it also doesn't describe any other episode either, so.
I agree with the replies and I do NOT agree with Zoey being treated the way she was in this episode because she had no clue Noah was like that. The only thing is that Dijonay and Lacienaga are always rude and even worse than this in most episodes; it’s part of many shticks in the show. So Zoey can’t be surprised about how they’re behaving here because her character shtick is co-signing their behavior. Viewers also shouldn’t be surprised because Penny’s friends have stayed on her back since the OG pilot 😅. And they’re surprisingly happy for Zoey… until they hear about Noah. Some of them took it out on the wrong person (Zoey). Ironically, however, it was Penny who reminded them it was just a rumor, but they didn’t listen to her because they never do 😂. Also, I might be mistaken. I don’t recall a character ever mentioning colorism in the episode but I could be wrong. Nevertheless, the topic that was explored in this episode was not really colorism. I should probably check out the interviews because that would be helpful but I’m not quite understanding which episode explores colorism with any characters let alone Dijonay. Maybe it’s the one where she meets her boyfriend? I have to rewatch it but I truly don’t recall it being a major topic in any of the episodes, unless it was brought up briefly in a few lines. Nevertheless, S2E6 had nothing to do with colorism, that’s a completely different topic. It would be colorism if, for example, Noah said he only liked light skin girls, or if he pursued Penny and she finds out that he has hatred for dark skin girls like Dijonay. That would’ve been better in my opinion because they’d probably have to show his behavior on screen if he’s with Penny. It’s crazy how this dude was on screen for like all of five minutes and caused this much chaos. He should’ve been a real villain/antagonist if they were going to do this, just like in the OG series a guy Penny was talking to turned out to be a jerk. But we saw it on screen and he served as an antagonist. Seeing Penny have to decide whether Noah is more important than her friendship with Dijonay or how Penny feels about darker skin girls, or having Noah overcome his thoughts about dark skin girls through Penny or other characters teaching him would’ve been a better way to handle colorism. But because Penny is now in a committed relationship, those episodes from the OG series where she’d meet a guy (ex. S1E8, S1E16, S1E21, etc.) and learn something in her brief time with him can’t really be done here. If the girls were slow to date like in the OG series, there probably would be less boy issues so soon in this new series, and maybe Zoey could’ve had her own love interests at some point without it being just something to move the plot forward or cause conflict between the girls. I apologize; this was long 😅
My biggest gripe ever was just the lack of solidarity as GIRLS/WOMEN. There is no privilege in women being objectified. Just felt so off-brand to not do an episode that above all other labels women are women, they should have each others backs, and objectification is bad no matter who it is or from whom.
I watched the whole series, and the treatment of Hispanics/Latinos is similar to this. That joker looking dude that hangs out with suga mama is super stereotypical, and la cienega as well (rude and loud being a stereotype). In her first appearance in the rebooted series, they show her as super hairy on her face, which is a common stereotype within the Hispanic community. The fact that they made her dress as Elena because us Hispanics have no Disney Princess other than her 🤦🏻♀️. Their is so many more examples but imma just let ya do your own research
I’m not usually one to call out writers is a cartoon shows but I just gotta ask, what were they thinking with this one? But I still stand by the ending being the only good thing about the episode where Myron ask Zoey to dance, and the whole scene alone is wholesome.
Honestly, even Zoe deserved better than this. They're reasoning for assuming/realizing Noah only dates white girls is that they think Zoe is, aside form her race, totally undesirable. They treat it like it's a given that a conventionally attractive boy could never like her for any other reason, and the show seems to capitulate to that. Disappointing on all fronts.
Glad you spent time on Dijonay’s character. Everyone goes to critique the elephant in the room with this episode and a few others. Little do they actually point out how it seems they still haven’t learned their lesson in writing terms with certain characters
Ok but why did they dress Michael up as Pocahontas?? He’s not native at all, is he? Like why didn’t they give him the broadway version of Nala or something? That would’ve been amazing!
@@ArmiGirl90 I'm native and I don't understand how dressing up as pocahontas, especially as her from the extremely racist diseny movie, is "celebrating your culture". If he's indigenous, why didn't they have him wear real traditional clothing as an accurate version of her instead of the costume they put her in in the movie? it's just a weird decision overall.
I was expecting the reboot to make amends for its errors, specifically with the portrayal of Djonay... but they dropped the ball.
Every time 😢
It's infuriating.
it was so disappointing but at the very least they changed the chang triplets cus their og designs were giving 1900s anti-chinese propaganda
It actually made it worse because you expect them to know better by now
It’s somehow even worse than the original 💀
The problem with that episode is that the friends turned on ZOEY! Zoey who was always the white nerd, the uncool girl. Zoey had always stood up for her friends. She never wanted to have "white privlage" even in the original episode when Penny bumps her head and goes back in time to when blacks and whites were not friends...Zoey was really quick to be her friend. Zoey always had their back and it wasn't about skin color for her. Then she got the attention of the cute guy and they turned on her! Thats not showing "girl power" or sticking together it is showing how fast you should turn on your friend. Zoey didn't know the dude only liked her because she was white and Maya had only heard it through gossip from the cousin. Maya could have been wrong! They didn't even give Zoey a chance and that's why people are mad!
Now that I think about it, that episode really was bad. I think it’s just how Penny and her friends actually are. They’d care more about some random boy who is colorist than their friend. It’s not surprising for me (if you watched at least HALF the episodes where they turn on Penny for shitty reasons).
I don't think the boy was colorist? He just has a preference for white girls just like how some people only date within their own race.@@ThatGalFromDominoes
How is having a preference a bad thing?
^colorist troll incoming. 🙄 do not engage. 🙅🏽♀️
@@laurenmungaray3912people say it stems from racism or whatever, but it’s not even like the black dude said “im only into this race and all the others are ew”
I personally dislike this episode, they really did Zoey dirty in this episode.
I've noticed in almost any eppisode that heavily involved colourisim, Zoey tends to get the short-end of the stick. It's incredibly hamfusted and tasteless, IMHO.
@@BrightWulph I know right and it’s sad, Zoey honestly deserves better.
@@BrightWulph It feels like the show is written by white supremacists writing anti racism but failing because of their shtty views.
They are mean to zoey ALL the time. Zoey is the coward that is nervous and neurodivergent, shes like buttters or chucky finster. She the first one who tells them not to do the bad idea they have.... and then they do it anyways..... 🤨 And then each time zoey runs home like everyone else when they get caught you're all ready to play that tired ass line of "PENNY WITH HER BAD IDEAS DRAGGING EVERYONE INTO HER DRAMA, NEEDS NEW FRIENDS "
Are you fkn serious..... 😒
@@WillianyAmill Wait..Zoey is neurodivergent!? I never knew that. I always see Zoey as a shy nerdy awkward girl that not many boys asked her out. But when an attractive guy asked her out, Penny’s friends get mad at Zoey and decides not to invite her to the princess party. They were simply jealous of Zoey.
They implied Zoey was Ugly.
Which was crazy cause later in the Season i think the show confirmed that Zoey is like Penny's best friend (Us Parody episode)
Well we all know Disney hates ginger haired people
And shes a ginger, why are gingers aways shown as ugly ducking, nerd or bully i dont get it
Quazimoto, Randel from recess, darla from finding nemo, the bully from lilo and stitch dexter fron dexters lab
Whats that about
I feel like there were other ways to do this, but instead they just made it very clear that to them, Zoe has no worth as a worth.
Zoey is the only nice one in that friend group! Everyone turned their back on her so fast! She had never ever done that to the other friends and they all knew it and yet as soon as they heard the notion that it was Zoey and because she was white they attacked her. They didn't know for sure....
@@NotWhatIamMadeFor What I can somewhat appreciate is Penny seems to be Zoey's biggest supporter when everybody else turns against her.
I really think the reason why the colorism episode was terrible was because for them to actually do a great job on it, they would have to look at themselves. They knew how they portrayed dijonay in the show was just plain colorist so for them to speak on it, would be hypocritical
Also, you have the best take on this episode so far
Sorry if this sounds stupid, but I always hear "colorism" and "colorist" when it comes to this episode and nowhere else. Is that another term for racism/racist?
@@Queen_Sakura I would describe colorism as the child of racism. It's when someone is discriminated against for having darken skin. The difference between colorism and racism is that colorism usually happens within the community.
@@Queen_Sakura and no you are stupid for asking, in fact colorism is under discussed and usually ignored entirely
@@Queen_Sakura It exists within racism. Colorism is the level of mistreatment towards an individual based off the darkness of their skin. It exists in many cultures and communities.
The difference between racism and colorism is that within racism, the mistreatment is due to their race, ethnicity. In the case of colorism, the injustice is directed towards people with dark(er) skin AND this usually happens within the same ethnic groups.
@@sundaylovesyoutoo7469
Wait them how is this episode colorism? Shouldn't it be racism instead?
The people behind the proud family shown their true colors in this episode. Despite having a black female representation, they constantly displayed misogynoir. That why I only trust the writers from Craig of the Creek, Moon girl and devil dinosaur, and Infinity Train to write black girls or women.
I’m still heartbroken over infinity train being cancelled
Arent there some black female writer's on hand for proud family ?
Craig of The Creek doesn’t talk about race. They just portray almost EVERYTHING they can think of. LGBT even portrayed in unique ways and it’s never a big problem. The main female (Kelsey) is a lesbian (I didn’t expect that at all).
@ThatGalFromDominoes, yeah, but i think since it's a kid show about imagination and such, they don't want to get too deep into stuff like race or sensuality, which is why i think they do it subtly with Kelsy
@@BKTweetyTee-cg2hf I didn’t mean it in a bad way. I actually enjoyed Craig of The Creek (and the movie). The ending felt a little bit bittersweet…
This genuinely feels like a pitying women against women sort of thing. No one's winning here.
U must be lightskinned or white??
@@rantannigacha8167 First off, I'm black. Second, it's nice to see that Gacha fans still have no empathy for others. Just how the people of your community made a fucking Columbine video. Don't think we forgot.
@@rantannigacha8167why’s that relevant? They’re right, the friends are hella fake.
@2clownz.1circuz because if calling out colorism is "pitting women against women," then the person is OBVIOUSLY NOT of AA descent or is a lighter poc or a non poc.
Saying that "no one is winning here" because colorism and negative racial stereotypes are being called out is insane.
People are fine with bullshit as long as it doesn't affect them ig.
@@rantannigacha8167 pretty sure they aren’t saying calling it out is pitting women against each other (because the show doesn’t even point out her friends being colorist, they make them act unnecessarily mean toward her and treat it as if they’re so high and mighty by the end), it’s the way the show tries to justify Penny and the rest of her friends excluding Zoe because the new boy is into her because she’s white. The way they badmouth her on the group call then try to leave her out of their party is pretty fake of them and then the show trying to make it seem as if they’re in the right at the end of the episode as if she owed them an apology to begin with. And this isn’t the first time the show has made them act fake as hell then get off Scot free by the end of the episode.
And you saying lightskins aren’t affected by colorism is colorist in itself. Every black person has experienced and is prone to experience colorism. Lightskins are still African American.
"maybe the reboot needs a reboot" yep it needs it 😭
Personally I’d make the character even older, maybe college aged.
This way we can justify bigger personality changes and less pedagogic plots.
What do Gina, Nubia and Olei DO once they’re no longer tethered to each other and can pursue their specific interests?
(also pro-tip to the Gross parents: do NOT dress your children to match each other. It’s damaging to their sense of self. Even if the plain white tees and overalls are all they can afford, there should at least be a sense of uniqueness among the girls, especially since, being different ages and sizes, they’d probably pass their clothes down to each other anyway. Look how happy Olei is once she gets to try new things)
put the show to rest. that colorism belongs in the past…they aren’t getting it 😴
I hated this episode so much. They had the perfect setup for dealing with colourism 20 YEARS+ AGO from the original series. The lighter skinned Penny and the darker skinned Dijonay. They could've called out the older show for how the lighter skinned girl had an air of grace and elegance about her, while the darker skinned girl was the ghetto rat butt of the joke that couldn't even get a boy to spit in her direction most of the time.
Instead, they chose to focus on some biracial guy liking white girls and wanting to ask her to the dance. Then for some reason, Penny and Dijonay (who already HAVE boyfriends) get mad and gaslight Zoey into thinking the situation was her fault in the first place.
A racist wrote the episode.
THIS!!
Dijonay doesn't have a boyfriend, and Penny was the only one who supported Zoey in that episode, but overall, I agree with you. I find it odd how they made Dijonay the fat, black, loud, and ghetto girl, while Penny was the elegant, light skinned, graceful girl. It kind of reminded me of the parkers, with Nikki being a generally unlikeable character like Dijonay, and Penny being a character you can actually feel bad for, like Kim.
I mean, if he's biracial, who is he supposed to date? There are only so many biracial people. If he's white and black, he'll probably date both.
@@Poodle_Gun It was specifically that he was only interested in white girls iirc
“Black people can’t be racist.”
An actual line from the reboot.
That shit enraged me. "Prejudice + power", no bitch, just prejudice.
🤦…
REALLY DISNEY?!
I facepalmed so hard bruh ☠️
It’s true though?
@@Koki-hc3mw its not, racism is just discrimination against a certain race or multiple races and anybody can do that
I don’t care what color your grandma is, the turning off the TV and her saying I was watching that is universal.
There’s another episode where penny’s mom abandons her in the street because she sneaked out and it’s treated like a good thing, so yeah the shows writers are really weird about morality..
Or in one episode where Penny shouted “Black people can’t be racist!” 💀
@@chillcreature737 i feel like that’s just not correct at all?? You can be racist towards other minorities, you can even have internalized racism which is a type of racism, also considering the show’s past history with anti asian racism i’m not surprised.
@@tuney7319 yes yes yes! As a black person, it really shocks me that the community advocates against racism yet do the same thing to other minorities. And even to each other. They think that it’s not a big deal or have the same mindset as what Penny said, which is sad.
@@chillcreature737 agreed.
@@tuney7319 can confirm this, though it's not only minorities, as black people can be racist against anyone, same as anyone. (Saying they can't is ironically racist) For example white people and other races are oppressed in South Africa by the black majority, such as my family. If you thought America was racist, black people have gone to the lengths of trying to wipe all other races out in the country, and guess what, they still have slavery/trafficking going on. Came to the point where my grandma (rip) had to carry a gun around every time she went out.
it shouldn't have been a one episode thing but a whole plot point, shown through many episodes. Imagine: Zoey begins dating this guy and he's constantly antagonizing only djonay, to the point she leaves the friend group. Then it can be a thing where Zoey chooses to stand up for her friend and confront her bf. Lacienega and Penny could even learn a lesson from this, too.
thats a good idea! that actually happened to me.
@@kythekunoichi Yg?
This would’ve been a much better plot. I’ve seen things similar to this scenario a lot.
If I may expand on this idea and suggest that it's not even overt harassment, it's just a series of microaggressions that really make Dijonay feel unwanted (and also make the other dark-skinned black characters give a little side eye)
@kythekunoichi still working in movies 🎬 🎞 🎥 🎦 (autism)
Another video I saw mentioned the irony of how Dijonay and Penny had dark-skinned love interests, but became sidelined on who the light-skinned guy was interested in. That would've been an interesting way to counter the cono against Zoey.
If anything they over sexualized Dijanoay with giver her grown women feature and putting emphasis on her lips and stuff
Very true!
I mean I've seen girls around her age with those body features my problem is with the way they dress her
@@kythekunoichi Eh, I don't agree with this take. Bodies are bodies. Girls who hit puberty sooner and happen to have larger chests or hips or lips will be treated as if they're trying to be/act sexy. They have to cover up more, they're more stigmatized if they want to try makeup, that sort of thing. They're not allowed to just exist without being policed and sexualized by grown-ass adults. Not to mention the adults that take it as an excuse to be inappropriate because she "obviously wants attention." They're even bullied by other children for it; I've witnessed that part first-hand.
I'd be on your side if they, like... actually sexualized Dijonay at all? But it's just how her body looks.
If it weren't for the fact that this show wound up dropping the ball so hard, and the fact that they probably couldn't get away with this topic in a kids show, it would be cool to have an episode about how adults oversexualize chidren's bodies and create things like shame complexes, body dysmorphia, that sort of thing.
@@lagtim327 in the hood the guys on the block would literally watch her grow up protect her and all then by the time she bout 16-17 they in her ear trying to get her to continue the cycle
@@lagtim327 >bodies are bodies
Good, then my big-titted anime girls are in fact: not sexualized.
This episode is exibit A of fumbling the bag this could have been a chance to highlight actual colorism in society but instead its a glorified temper tantrum
Even as someone who has just seen reviews of this show and episode, there's clearly a better story of the girls wanting to PROTECT Zoey from the celebrity kid. A sort of "we're realizing that this guy is a creep, he doesn't care about you for YOU, you need to get out of this situation," and the conflict comes from an ASSUMPTION of jealousy. But they do care about their friend and they don't want her feelings to get hurt when the bell comes to toll.
And that's where you have the conversation about the weird favoritism of white women over black women from black men.
I liked how this was said
I wish that was the idea. But noooo, the writers want everyone to learn to give in peer pressure.
Can we also talk about how gross it was that Zoey`s friends INSTANTLY turned on her, and made HER out to the be villain for a MAN`S preferences? They never apologized either, they made HER apologize. This was such a brutal episode normalizing and championing colourism, racism, and toxic femininity.
Especially since learning more about how the Celts and Scots, ESPECIALLY the Irish were colonized, criminalized intentionally to force them to be indentured slaves on colonies... there is a REASON their phenotypes are considered ``undesirable``, they weren`t considered ``white``, or fully human in the history of the USA EITHER. It was written into LAW that they weren`t fully people. There is a REASON why ``frizzy`` red hair, pale pink toned skin, freckles etc. have been deemed ``undesirable`` in British colonial countries. There is a REASON red heads were disproportionately sexualized, and murdered in history including in the witch trials. It`s just racism, they have only recently been considered ``white``.
They took ALL of this, and made it her ``fault`` instead of understanding how discrimination and fetishism often exist as two sides of the same coin, they villainized HER instead of questioning HIM. She, who was deemed ``unattractive``, ``undesirable``, ``uncool`` etc. FINALLY had SOMEONE interested in her, and she had to be villainized and apologize for it with all that historical context. No, no ma`am, I`m not cool with that. That felt gross AF. It would have been fine IF it could have been a TEACHING MOMENT, but it wasn`t, they just made Zoey feel terrible for something she didn`t do, because how DARE she be happy SOMEONE is interested in her.
They also made the Black girls disloyal the second a light skint boy comes in the picture which was WILD.
i find this episode hilarious beacuse why tf are colourist trying to explain colorism to me
(plot twist noah was a self insert)
You know what it makes a lot of sense if Noah was an insert too😂😂😂😂😂
Not to mention, Zoe is a white ginger girl, and we know how much Disney hates gingers. It makes sense she's would dress up as mrianda from the only pixar princess movie brave and what Disney did to making her into giving her the most stereotyped Scottish accent on reck it Ralph 2
Perfectly timed too, considering that she would've likely dressed up as Ariel, if the character hadn't been a part of redhead erasure.
@dragonsman4733 but she's a pixar princess, not a Disney one even if the lamp is on the desk of mickey Mouse they own the rights to brave
Blame Frozen for Brave not getting enough attention in box sales
I think that’s more an issue with specifically Scottish cultural erasure. People ignore it because they’re white and most simply don’t care. Scotland, Ireland and wales have a similar issue where they have a unique culture, language and heritage that are actively being erased but it’s never discussed outside of jokes or stereotypes
@@a1918-b4g you're the first person i've seen talk about this outside of my friendgroup
The edits during the dude's tiktok ☠️
lol thank you for noticing 😂
Fr, that made me giggle
made me let out some giggles
LOL for real, I was already going to subscribe because of the content but those edits sold it for me 🤣
I personally think that being an activist should very much not be labeled as masculine. You can be a feminine woman who fights for your rights. That was an issue I had with this video. I do agree however that representing POC to be always "combative" and "argumentative" has led to further discrimination against them.
And the worst episode wasn’t even this one. It’s the one glorifying abuse where Trudy locks Penny out of the house because she was out late with friends.
I've seen videos talking about that episode, and the comments were FULL of people claiming that what Trudy did wasn't abuse, or that Penny deserved it instead of simply grounding her inside the house and taking away her allowance or telling her she can't hang out with her friends/boyfriend for a month. That would've been a MUCH better punishment than locking her out and telling her to go to Suga Mama's house, alone. At night.
@@ReesesBees 💀
I always felt some kinda way about Sugar Mama smacking Oscar with her cane.
I get that it was supposed to be a joke but it came across to me as more mean-spirited than anything else.
@@wisemage0 I agree. TPF needs to stop with the glorification of abuse as acceptable and normal in Black families. It's not funny. It's destructive and damaging and has severe psychological side-effects on children in the future, all while giving parents a power rush. And it needs to stop.
I’m honestly puzzled as to why this is labeled the "colorism" episode. Every time I try to discuss colorism, it inevitably gets tangled up with gatekeeping blackness when it comes to mixed-race individuals or some aspect of racism. Without fail, I end up being silenced once again by some variation of "white woman tears."
True. This is more of a racial preference than colorism.
Maya's drama stirring stuff. Maya is simply there to be worse than Dijonay. Dijonay will be backstabby, but Maya is a discordant. Discordants do far worse.
@@millsgurl8358As a white woman, this episode just sort of disturbed me. Why? Because it isn't just about a preference for white people, but the weird fetishism white women have to put up with. Not saying that women of other races don't have this problem, because they do, and the show did nothing to tackle it.
When a black guy says "I like dating white women" there is often more to it than just that he finds us more attractive. Just a lot. And the show did nothing with this. Instead, Zoe was crazy and delusional for dating out of her league, her friends were jealous and petty, and Penny was in tears because she is the only somewhat redeemable person in this show. It wasn't nice to anyone.
@@rosesweetcharlotte agreed. there is a real fetish that black men have for white women, that is never called out and would've been perfect for this episode to. Bassically black men who have it refer to their white partners as 'snow bunnys' they talk about dating white women as if they are exotic objects. Unfortunately its only black people who hate mixing races who call them out on it, thus it never gets much attention.
There's ways to talk about colorism being bad without putting anyone down and It's very surprising how literally everyone seems to fail at it
For me I really hate how this episode pit teenage girls against each other. It reinforced the idea that teenage girls are all petty, catty, jealous, vindictive, and cruel towards each other and value male validation over their friendships with other girls. When you erase the race aspects from the episode and just boil it down to its bare essentials, it’s basically just a bunch of girls catfighting over a boy and destroying their relationship with each other because a boy chose another girl over them. Because why didn’t they confront Noah about his racism? Or try to help Zoey see the light? Why did they instead leap to attacking and stigmatizing Zoey? If Zoey knew that the guy was racist and continued dating him despite her friends trying to warn her, then I would understand their beef. But instead, they get mad at Zoey for no reason, without even trying to talk to her about it, and just tell her that she’s ugly and undesirable and would never attract a guy unless he was a racist POS with a race fetish, otherwise they would come out on top(and then they say nothing when she brings up Myron and just tell her “you just don’t get it”). They basically see her as the ugly girl who doesn’t stand a chance against them in the romance department and needs to stay in their shadow so that they look better. And I hate it. This episode was clearly written by sexist adult men who don’t understand anything about teenage girls and think that we all hate and have it out for each other.
This episode had a black female director and a black female writer working on it. Nice try, but this is just reality. Not a myth someone made up
@@Car-qu2bc Black women can still perpetuate misogyny and misogynoir. Nice try but this isn’t reality. Just a sexist myth about teenage girls.
@@Car-qu2bcwait really?! 😭 I’m actually shocked I thought a man wrote it. Not that surprising given women perpetuate misogynistic attitudes all the time but still ...
This... is going to sound really weird, but seeing the designs next to each other made me realize that I genuinely need to know *who* exactly it was that decided it was a good idea to make Dijonay's head shaped like an onion. She stands out so much and not in a good way, because everyone else looks "normal" and then Dijonay has a weirdly pointy head.
Like, she looks great in both the Cinderella outfit and in that "future" design, meaning that they *can* draw her like a normal human being. But this begs the question *why* is her head so pointy? It actually almost seems malicious at this point? Why do this to her?
I know this is a weird thing to be bothered about, but the fact that Dijonay is the only one who has this weird pointy head-shape just makes it look so... odd and stand out even more?
Its crazy that both Dejanae and Penny both overlook their darker colored boyfriends for Noah, who is light skinned, and then try to preach to Zoey about colorism. The entire episode just falls apart the more you think about it.
Coming from the outside looking in. I grew up in a VERY white town where the only African American woman was dark skinned, curly haired, and was in a position of Management at bank. Her lazy stay at home husband was white. When I moved down south, I remembered being shocked by certain comments. I remember being confused about why anyone would say that straight hair was more professional. I certainly didn't understand colorism at the time because I wasn't exposed to it. As representation becomes more pronounced, it really becomes important to bring these things up. Not only for the community but for outsiders like me who are confused about what the hell is going on. Maybe if Zoey had it explained to her, she could have been the one who was horrified. She loves her friends and would have been upset about something she would have been blind to. IDK, I'm not the one to write this.
THIS
Wtf is WRONG with anything to say that straight hair is professional wth they cant control the hair they were born with smh
@@charliepuppy. I agree, I was so confused by the statement. I moved to the south, and apparently a lot of girls hold that opinion about their hair here.
@@popcornsprinkles8071 "It's more professional" until they want a perm
Well that’s ok cuz it’s a white woman doing it. Don’t be silly! /s
Louder and Prouder is the epitome of wasted potential. They had a golden opportunity to address all the errors of the original.
The colorism, the toxic friend groups, male sexual harassment being played as a joke, child favoritism, parentification, parents not always making the best decisions. But they just gave us more of the same.
I like how you mentioned the appeal of the og series of just have the black characters be, well, normal. They weren't mouth pieces, they were characters. Just normal people living their lives with normal problems.
How impactful would it have been to show that toxic friends isn't a "black girl thing." That no means no is a fact regardless of gender. That hey, just because behavior is normalized, doesn't mean it's right.
I never minded Dijonay that much cause I knew a couple of girls like that growing up. But it's still harmful. Why not have another dark skinned black girl. Why not address why Dijonay is so toxic at times.
If they were good writers, they could have made it a Riley from The Boondocks situation. Mirroring behaviors they see on TV cause they think that's how they're suppose to behave as black people.
I was somewhat excited for Louder and Prouder, but alas. We just got more of the same.
The parent rhing was somewhat acknowledged in the episode where they said bebe has autism or adhd i forgot which but the father was just denying it and it was a good representation of how parents in general act but also how some black families are with autism like they dont wannt belive the doctors
“That don’t hurt” 😂
HELL now that you bought Boondocks, Huey was what Maya SHOULD’VE been! He was pretty active and stood but it never came out as annoyingly preachy or (sometimes) reckless. Damaging relationships and stuff. He knows to just leave things at it is because ignorance is bliss sometimes.
I never watched the original but I cant even handle the main character in the reboot
South park did the "you don't get it" message SO MUCH BETTER. With Stan trying his hardest to relate to Tolkien and finally understanding that he will actually never really get it, since he doesn't experience colourism. And that's when Tolkien starts considering him more of a friend as well, because Stan tried to relate and realised he never will, which is a big step in understanding colourism
This and another video on colorism made me realize that South Park is the only show I’ve seen where it’s two dark skinned black women characters are pretty level headed and non stereotypical
which is a little surprising for south park considering South Park’s characters are supposed to be laughing stocks, even Chef was a good representation in the show
@@IivingdeadgirIlShows that black characters are way better represented when they’re not just there for pandering, this coming from a black woman myself.
@@alysssabear I'd argue that a lot of the representation on that show is pretty good. Disabled characters like Jimmy and Timmy don't exist to be these pandering props. Instead they are actual characters who are treated just like everybody else. They can be the voice of reason or be as stupid and ignorant as the rest of the townsfolk. They both have personality traits, hobbies and interests that have nothing to do with their disabilities. Nobody makes fun of their quirks like Jimmy's stutter or Timmy being only able to say his name, including characters like Cartman. The boys make sure to include both of them and accommodate for them. The same can be said about the queer rep.
I think that's how you do any good rep. Write a character, and just take a few things into consideration when thinking about how marginal identity affects who they are. We're all people at the end of the day, even if we have things about us that separates us. What's so hard about that to understand?
@@sorcerersapprentice This. Because even if they are intended to be comedic characters, they have to be characters, and have more then just jokes. If they only had jokes, it wouldn't be funny or amusing anymore, but since they have more depth, it is funny when a joke is made.
I see people point out garrison as the show hating gay people but the show makes a good deal to point out its not his sexulity, its just garrison himself. “Children, they’re are gay people and then theres mr garrsion”
yeah as someone who ended up marrying outside of my own race, I REALLY hate the notion that I BELONG to my own race first... like no I will date whoever I want and the men of my race have NO claim on me.
Louder and Prouder is such a disappointment. The show is visually gorgeous, incredibly, but as soon as I saw that colorism episode, I know the creators don’t really have good intentions, or maybe they do, but it filled with this weird hatred. That episode also falls flat cause Zoey is shown to be the ugly friend, we had a whole episode from the original dedicated to the other girls giving her a glowup, so to some watchers, the other friends just comes off as angry not because of colorism or race related reasons, but because how dare the ugly one of their group gets an ounce of attention from a pretty guy. Also I think Maya had potential to be good, but unfortunately she’s just an online activist who is a big hypocrite, I know this show points this out too
Also about the colorist family thing with the dad being darker and mom being lighter, Little Bill is way ahead of its time having a darker mom and lighter dad, pretty sure Little Bill’s brother and sister is like that too and also Little Bill himself and his black female friend
That friend of Little Bill's is actually his cousin
something i always found strange and hypocritical of this episode is how penny and djonay obsess over this light skinned black boy, when they themselves are already dating dark skinned black boys. They themselves have the preference for lighter skinned boys, rather than sticking with their loving boyfriends who just so happen to have brown/dark skin. This level of hypocrisy is so tone-deaf, that it sucks it's almost never mentioned when people are discussing this episode
Isn't that basically cheating? And it's just glossed over huh?
They don't obsess over him because he has light skin, they obsess over him because he's a celebrity
They were jealous of Zoey! They had boyfriends/love interests of their own, and yet they felt entitled to Noah because he's black and successful. They're insecure!
if I was zeoy I'll stay with Noah , her "friends" treated her like trash
@@hayleymcgough8567 Exactly! They were jealous.
They didn’t care that he chose Zoey until they heard that he was colorist and went out of his way to only date white women. It’s not Zoey’s fault but she’s not allowed to act ignorant when it comes to racism and black people are tired of it .
I can remember the episode that where they help Olei embrace her femininity being my favorite growing up. At the time, I saw so many people trying to say that bigger girls couldn't be feminine and enjoy traditional girly things, so the episode felt like a breath of fresh air. Olei looked so pretty after her makeover too! I loved her hair ❤
From a white woman's perspective, this episode felt gross, terribly written and the conflict was started from a rumor. A rumor Maya couldn't even show any proof of. She just points to him going to zoey and another white girl as proof.
How the girls chose to treat zoey in this situation, especially when at least 2 of them already had partners, Was incredibly petty, spiteful and jealous for a rumor that came from a third party they don't even know. Maya herself is iffy with credibility in this show.
Now coming from my own personal experiences, white women do experience fetishization as does any woman from any race. Its clear the writers didn't even think about the fact this happens to all women of every shade, size and background.
They even had the audacity to make it zoey, a red head. Red heads are fetishized A LOT in media and in real life. The fact they couldnt even have the girls be concerned their friend might be fetishized just doesn't sit right with me.
Don't even get me started on them having Michael claim to be part native to get away with putting him in pochantas's costume. When disney's telling of 'pochantas' has heavily been scrutinized for fetishizing and romanticizing a story about the first Native american girl to be kidnapped from her home. No one who actually was descended from her or her tribe would be caught dead supporting that movies message. Especially since that movie made it seem like natives were equally in the wrong for wanting to protect their home and people.
I can't tell if that was the writers being stupid at understanding the backwards thinking of including that alone in an episode about colorism, or if it was disney themselves trying to cover their ass for even acting like that film is even remotely ok to promote now a days when we all know better.
All this. The Pocahontas part especially bothered me.
Maya is just the type of person who likes stirring the pot.
@@fubukifangirl they should've recasted Sticky instead of creating that harpy. She effectively made Dodie from As Told By Ginger looked like Millie Helper from the Dick Van Dyke Show
Let's talk about how Penny and Dijonay both HAD boyfriends while also trying to get with Zoey's
The writers seem to have a surface level understanding of the "woke" topics they write which shows in the fact their viewers come away MORE confused about colorism then they did at the start... I'm a white women who never even heard the term before this and I honestly figured it was a new phrase for mixed color relationships if one of them is bias which it kinda is but not the FULL meaning by a long shot... (surface level...) They had the chance to tell a meaningful story only to fumble it hard because honestly the "harder" stories shouldn't boiled down to "girl drama! lol"...
Hello @Ky The Kunoichi, you really brought up a lot of great and important things that a lot of people should know about, and I have also noticed colorism in the Latino community in both Hollywood and Mexico. I know they always have stereotype’s on us being criminals, thugs, drug dealers. I know those exist but not all of us are like that, but when they do try to put in positive representation of Latino I noticed that they only put in more light skinned or in this case white skinned Latinos in their movies and shows, and they get better roles like playing doctors, lawyers, scientists, while the brown skinned ones just play the same roles of thigs etc. I just wish that Hollywood would stop doing this and actually try get more brown skinned Latinos and make them get better roles. Also you really have a beautiful voice. Please don’t think I was being creepy.
Honestly this episode made me hate Penny's so-called friends even more
Even Michael was awful in all of this, and he is usually not as trifling and mean as Penny's other friends. He jumped on the bandwagon.
@@Passions5555 Yeah, he was no better when he left the party with them
I knew I couldnt trust new proud family at all when I saw Michael. They took a gay male character virtually devoid of harmful stereotypes and they corporate yassified him beyond recognition not to mention hes annoying. It physically pained me to see him.
If they were older I would believe it, but in what way in hell is a 14 year old gay boy dressing like that? Hollywood doesn't realize that most-to-all of the yassified gay boys out there actually start it once they graduate highschool. Before then its mostly going around looking emo or androgynous. Because its easier to fit in school that way without the constant target on your back. Like I actually liked OG Michael's fit tbh more than the reboot.
That's what I was thinking, what's up with that? I'm a bisexual woman but I care about my community and I HATE HATE how they ALWAYS have to make us fit stereotypes.
Like, he is gay, ok? He has a wacky personality and he is funny, that's great! It's great that they make him human, that's great representation.
Ohh wait, now they have to yassify him for NO REASON, I guess he just wasn't "gay enough" for them...
Being a feminine queer man or boy is not a bad thing and having sanitized versions of queer people to avoid "harmful" stereotypes that challenge gender expectations.
A lot of queer men are more feminine. That's not a rule but it's just disingenuous and having feminine male characters that aren't irredeemable evils,
Feminine people tend to prefer to present as beautiful rather than handsome. I don't see how Michael would, should, or has to be different.
The only colorism in this episode was Penny and Dijonay being willing to dump their darker-skinned boyfriends in favor of the lighter-skinned Noah.
It was so lazily written. They literally had the moment where Dijonay could’ve explained it and been the protagonist, but just chose to have her say “you just don’t get it” and storm out
Let's be honest, this episode was all an excuse to rip on the white character without repercussion, because she "deserved" it for being white. This wasn't "girl power" or anything, it was pure hate for the one character who was always kind, awkward, socially shy, etc.
I'm not black, but even I can tell that the creators of this series are out of touch. Like everyone and their cat has said, they could've addressed the actual issues with the original series like how it treated Dijonay. But, nope. Instead we get the girls acting like Zoey stole their man, just because a guy likes her. Yay! 🙄
Plus, they all have boyfriends, so none of this should matter in the first place. They should be supportive of her, not ripping her down.
lol @ "everyone and their cat"
the shows obsession with shaming white people for being white is why i don’t want my little sister to watch it. too much hate in this world, i don’t want to teach her that. ofc i want her, as a black girl, to see shows with girls like her so things like moon girl or craig of the creek are what we watch.
18:54 THE CENSORS ARE K8LLING MEEEE
I came to say this lmao caught me off guard
Dude for real I laughed out loud
It’s so refreshing to hear a different take on this episode, because I had no idea the real depth of this issue!
Great job on the video!
By the way I want to point out that Micheal is dressed as Pocahontas to honor his native heritage, which is ironic because you’ll never meet a Native American who has something nice to say about Pocahontas
14:04 standing up/calling out racism is masculine?? I might’ve interrupted wrong but ??
I interpreted it the same way, I hope that's not what she meant
@@jackboat314 thank god thought I was gonna get judged for thinking so negatively or not understanding 😮💨I hope she didn't mean that either
@@jackboat314 Same here. Worst of all, her argument in general (14:00-15:36) is otherwise valid. That sole "it's very masculine" affirmation brings it all down.
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Fr, I'm almost starting to think she's kinda conservative in how much she values gender roles.
Like, girl, who cares about what society deems "masculine" and "feminine", I'm a woman because that's who I am and that's who I have always been, doesn't matter if I act """masculine""" ??? Same goes for any other woman in the world. Imagine stopping standing up for good causes because it is "masculine", as if that would take away your identity as a woman.
Yeah and also is the character actually called "miss sjw" in universe or is that something only she calls her? Cuz it would kinda make the video weird if she was was expressing (very valid) frustration over inequality only to mock someone who does something against it
That episode of louder and prouder is a very good example of executive meddling interfering with the story. People love to blame the female writer(s) for writing the episode about colorism, but based on what the episode is actually about and how conversations about colorism, sexism, and fetishization actually go, you can tell that episode went thru re-write hell (and budget cuts) because the executives of the show wanted those topics watered down to please their misogyny, which means that writer's story and experiences were watered downed and whitewashed multiple times for the show. Proud family have always had an issue with misogyny and how they portrayed teenage girls and the reboot is no different. [And of course, the same old tradition of having no women in the executive, producer, and management roles of the show; only cis straight men.] The episode stopped being about colorism the moment it started to be about zoey dating a popular biracial celebrity guy with a whyte gal fetish instead of penny benefiting from gendered colorism compared to dijonay and maya. And it is obvious that the executive producers wanted the bad guy "dating" zoey to be a popular biracial male celebrity (the "we have drake at home" version) instead of a regular non-mixed MOC that was deep into the (non-white) manosphere. Maya and KG have a black dad and a white dad. Showing a few minutes of them contacting their cousins to find out more how bad noah is instead of just maya stating she heard from her cousins about how bad noah is would have helped instead of doing a disney princess party. A proud family about colorism should have been about penny, dijonay, and maya; not zoey. An episode about manospheres of color targetting and using whyte gals to promote their harmful rhetoric and harm gals of color also would have been a really great and relevant topic for the show to address but either the creators and executives and producers were too ignorant about the subject, too scared to talk about the topic, and/or didn't think the topic was a huge issue because it didn't affect them personally. To me, it sounds like the wrtiers intended to make separate episodes about colorism, the manosphere and fetishization of white gals, a celebrity visiting their school, and a disney princess party, but budget cuts were made for some reason and the creators and exectuives and producers didn't like that two of the episode ideas were criticizing cis straight guys of color for how they treat gals of color and lgbtq+ folks of color that are the same race and/or ethnicity as them. So they forced the writers to rewrite those episodes constantly until it was to their liking, then forced them to mish-mash a bunch of episode ideas into one episode because of time and money. And the creators of the show really need to stop being boomers and stop the tired old trend of mocking and torturing teenage girls for entertainment. It wasn't funny then and it isn't funny now. Just let penny have real friends and a family that doesn't parentify her already. [Before anyone mentions lacienga, note that lacienga is not afro-latina or black. Her biracial cousin in louder and prouder is half-afro-latina because her dad is afro-latino. You cannot make an episode about colorism with penny and lacienga because penny is black and lacienga isn't black. Lacienga would need her own episode about colorism in the hispanic latine community AND interact with more hispanic latine characters that aren't her family members. Based on how proud family writes teenage girls, i don't trust them to be able to write that kind of episode.]
This 👏👏👏
It was weird they showed michael had been going to the princess parties since they were little when he was In the closet In the first series.
Also the episode really should have addressed Noah's perspective or reasoning, but no one talks to him (on screen). They just hear a rumor about him at the beginning of the episode, immediately believe it, because no way a guy could like Zoey over them unless hes prejudiced. Great friend group...and turn on Zoey, when all she did was accept a date from a guy. Then SHE has to apologize to THEM. And the guy's clearly straight, but even Michael is mad at Zoey like she took his mans.
Personally i would have written the episode where Noah was the one who broke up with Zoey because of how her friends were acting. He could have said that he likes nerdy/awkward girls and that when he saw that she was the only one who wasnt throwing herself at him, he immediately got a crush on her because his status didnt mean anything to her. He actually enjoyed spending time with her and liked her as a person but saw how he was causing a rift between her and her friends and didnt want to force her to choose between them or him and decided to leave then we find out that the other random white girl he started dancing with was actually his cousin or childhood friend showing that the rumor that this was all based on was completely unfounded causing everyone to reflect on this. Then we could a background subplot where Zoey and Noah repair their relationship and become an onscreen couple (Noah could even have some episodes with Kareem and Darius where they bond with hobbies outside of their girlfriends being friends with each other)
There's an episode where penny is locked out of the house (because she was being a 'rebellious teen'), this was in the middle of the night too. Penny is then forced to live with sugar momma and gets abused by her. Penny is forced to cook and clean for sugar momma, she doesn't even get to eat breakfast (which she made herself) on her first day there. Not only that, she also has to cook and clean for her uncle too. There's a montage in the episode that shows the various things sugar momma forced her to do, which includes BEING BAPTISED. Eventually, sugar momma gets injured and breaks several bones, penny now has power over her. Instead of getting revenge, penny starts taking care of sugar momma while she recovers, because 'she learned her lesson'. When penny finally gets to return home her mum says "I got my daughter back". The outright abuse penny goes through is portrayed as a good thing, I was genuinely appalled when I watched the episode
That moment when Suga Mama woke up when the TV was turned off looks like my grandfather (mother’s stepfather) so even a Slav can notice something familiar here
I think it’s universal, ngl. My grandpa does the same thing, as does my stepdad.
The way they blamed Zoey, who has no idea this guy potentially only likes her for her skin tone is so infuriating. Zoey feels like someone is interested in her for once in her life and they just tear her down, accuse her of being the problem all for what? A rumor? Gossip? Zoey is the problem because of a rumor?! What garbage writing.
18:16 not gonna lie, this bit with the voice over got me 💀
but i genuinely love this video so much! i'm definitely gonna binge your black girl series when i have free time ♡♡♡
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I hate how they treated Zoey like she was so ugly no one would ever want to date her and then got angry at her for not seeing their point of view when they didn't even bother to look at her's. This is literally how toxic relationships can form and sends a really bad message to anyone who may have similar features to Zoey. It unintentionally sends a bad message to any girls who might have a crush on a guy who dates a friend who has a different skin color than them, making them feel inferior or something because of something they can't control. All because the episode didn't really address the true issue.
This episode could have done something great and showed the difference between preference and colorism, heck it could have even touched on the subject of toxic relationships, but instead, the guy who was displaying these feelings towards Zoey was hardly a focal point of the show. It's such a shame to see, especially when you know the OG show could have added so much nuance to a topic like this. I feel like one common thing people who are black, white, or mixed can share in the dating scene is being turned down by someone and being made to feel like your skin color is disgusting or gross to someone else. Or, if you're mixed, possibly that you're not enough of one side of yourself, whether it be not dark enough or not light enough.
when i first saw this episode i was genuinely upset because i looked EXACTLY like zoey when i was younger, and they totally implied she was "ugly." i was pale, had short red hair (although it was curly), glasses, braces, and was the tallest girl in my grade. im so upset that some kid like me will have to see someone like them being called ugly.
after hearing the summary of the episode, I can't help but wonder why they felt the need to portray Dijonay's hair as fake. What did that contribute to the rest of the episode, at all? Really weird that they would start with "the darker skinned girl has this undesirable trait" and then follow it with "isn't it weird and infuriating that Noah prefers Zoey???? Sympathize with Dijonay, please" like... they go out of their way to make the viewpoint that they seem to be trying to narrate from actively harder with that opening.
They really did Zoey filthy in that episode ☹️💔 She literally did nothing wrong but dated a guy that was interested in her. Also, the writers could’ve differentiated colorism from preference.
Furthermore, I hated how Dijonae and Penny was pressed, they are literally in a relationship!? Like if their boyfriends did that I’m sure they’d dump them.
Audacity everywhere in this episode 😭
I'm so glad that there's someone in the fandom sphere who covers topics surrounding colourism/misogynoir!
As a Hispanic, i never liked this show. I hate how they portrayed the Chang triplets, were more concerned with giving the Hispanic girl a punny name instead of an actual name. Aura instead of sunset and Reina, means queen in Spanish would have been better names and fit a snobby character. I hated how Oscar was treated. I am not black so I don’t understand the dislike for other black characters in the “ white” shows. I like Venice, Garold, and others. Were people first. I did see them as black but it was in your face where they consistently tell you that they are black. As a Hispanic I prefer when they do this with Hispanic characters.
Their names aren't puns, they are named after streets in California.
@@Bliss-l1twait omg I get it now
@@Bliss-l1t but why? I'm not from America btw
@@Bliss-l1tthat’s just as bad!
I had no idea she was Latina until watching this video. And now i learn her last name is literally boulevardez?? Wtf?? I like a good pun but these are limited only to those who know Hollywood streets, went even then how is it funny?? I legit thought she was another light skinned Black girl
16:30 my younger sister has a gorgeous afro and she recently told me and my mom that she wants to get it straightened because she doesn't like it. It's her hair and she can do whatever she likes with it, but I feel really bad and I wish there was something I could say to make her feel better about it :(
She basically always keeps her hair in box braids (mostly because it's more managable), but I just feel kind of helpless. My family's mixed (black and white) and my sister has more afro-centric features, meanwhile I'm on the lighter side so I don't really feel like it's my place to tell her what to do. I see so many other dark-skin black girls my age or younger wanting their hair straightened and it just makes me feel really bad :(
Tell her that her hair is beautiful the way it is, and that she shouldn’t feel ashamed of it because society tells her that only girls who are white are pretty. And then show her clips and pictures of beautiful Black girls rocking their Afro hair.
Love the video, although I kind of have reason to pause in terms of your analysis of the way characters are presented as masculine/feminine coded. See I don't think it's inherently an issue to present certain female characters as being overtly masculine but rather it's the combination of masculine traits and framing that masculinity as undesirable and the impetus of jokes about the character (essentially framing women with masculine traits as inherently a bad thing) that is the issue. And while I find the underlying criticism to be valid (associating negative traits with darker skinned characters), I just think a greater deal of delineation is in order.
But you know that's just what I think. And I wrote this comment 14 minutes in so apologizes up front if you end up addressing my criticism later in the video and I've just jumped the gun.
Same it bothered me that she seems to have a problem with masc women?
@@oceansolstice608are you black? The discussion is about dark skin black women being masculinized by simply existing. Not afforded femininity, being treated as aggressive and undesirable. ie “the angry black women” when a black woman is expressing herself or just has an assertive personality she will literally be called “masculine” and it’s almost a guarantee if she is of a darker complexion. It is used as a weapon to shut her up, shut her down, and invalidate her.
You guys need to pay attention to the specifications, this is not about “women” in general, it is about the black demographic.
Literally could have had the plot that D was angry and hurt but cant express it, Z freaking loved having attention and felt hurt her friends ditched her with Penny being caught in the middle with being light skinned.They have a huge fight putting pressure on Penny to "chose a side" when ultimately they realize that this is racism pitting women against each when Penny explodes about this situation being another way she has to manage other expectations and not be "angry black woman", D. finally opens up on her experience with colorism and Zoey tries to apologize when they stop her and make up. Episode ends with Zoey sitting down with Pennys mom (a flashback) where she talks about the dynamics she grew up with and a friend that was an ally, when sexism/colorism pitted them against each other and ended the friendship.Z says she hopes they could talk again someday and leaves, when Pennys mom picks up the phone while looking at an old photo revealing that she was in a similar mixed friendgroup and she asks if they can talk.Epsiode ends!
The censorship was so funny 😭
& Whoever wrote this episode failed miserably.. Did any black writers have a hand in it, that actually understands colorism?
the writers, including the creator are all brown and dark skin black people - including two brown skin/dark skin women! so I am very confuzzled.
@@kythekunoichi Why are you confused dark skin black folks DID write this! No one hates and destroy black image more than black folks. Its worse than if it was white or asians writing this
One of the writers of the show said she wanted to write an episode about gendered colorism and an episode about racial fetishization intersecting with misogyny (and the manosphere) based on her experiences. What needs to be kept in mind is that what the writers write is not necessarily what makes it thru the final draft. [Anyone who has seen the numerous deleted scenes of pixar's Brave knows exactly what I am talking about.] That episode clearly went thru several re-writes until it was something the creators, producers, and exectuives liked, so very likely a lot of the actual discussions of colorism, racial fetishization, and the manosphere got cut out in the end while also mish-mashing a bunch of episode ideas together into one episode.
Do you happen to know where they are from? Just asking because the black experience is very different on the east v west coasts. @@kythekunoichi
@@medtle1The thing is, this is a worthwhile discussion. But yeah, the end result is a mess
19:10 replacing every time he says 🥷🏾 was so hilarious LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO “non-European”, “21 savages”😭
The creators of Proud Family clearly don't understand what real friendships are
"how each of the girls..and Micheal☺️" idk why that just made me laugh so hard 😭
lol they would say it just like that in the OG show too
@@kythekunoichi lmao
I feel like the Proud Family tried to debunk certain bigotries(both in original and reboot), but actually perpetrated many others ... such as sexism, colorism, classism, anti-Asian racism, and ableism to name a few.
You said there were cameos and then the names just never stopped holy moly that's impressive
It's really telling that Dijonay is always being ranted about. I read a comment about Penny being petty because Dijonay had a talent at poetry. The comment just insinuated that Dijonay was always trying to backstab Penny, even though the poetry episode was just Dijonay having a similar talent to Penny.
Yeah, Penny was just paranoid throughout that episode. I am not going to say that Dijonay was more talented than Penny at being poetic because that's what got Penny paranoid and just spiteful. I don't even like that trope that, "There is always someone more talented than you." Recess did it and pretty much had all of the kids, especially the racist caricatures from the kindergarteners just stop doing their gimmicks and hobbies.
That trope just reeks of having a superiority complex, as if it's saying, "Hey, you should still keep doing what you're doing, even though so and so is way BETTER at it than you are."
Yeah, there's always going to be someone more talented and better at something than me, but at the same time, there are also people that are less talented and worse at doing something than me. I should just do what I like because I'm not trying to seek validation from the majority while dogging on someone else for not having the same or similar talent to me. The Recess episode just had the perfect Gary Stu just being outcompeted by the kids that just stopped their gimmicks because they weren't getting validation anymore for practically their namesake like Upside-down Girl.
But back to the point, Dijonay critics just come across as pessimistic if not paranoid, especially when it comes to the poetry episode. Can't someone that is usually demonized like Dijonay just be talented and not as double-crossers because they are portrayed that way in most of their appearances in the show?
Why don't we even get to see more of Dijonay and Zoey's home life instead of their families just basically being reduced to cameos? But like you said, given this show, they will just flanderize Dijonay's home life and just make her out to be more of a racist caricature of dark skinned, African American girls then all of the other times, Dijonay's family and home life is shown.
Let us just all agree that everyone in this show is a bad person
Great video ‼
It's weird how they are demonizing a boy for having preferences, there are people that only date people in their race and other people that just don't care about someone's race. Plus, they were already taken!
In the black community this happens regularly, so it’s accurate to portray it this way
15:37 I agree with you. I just watched a video on TikTok about an Indian man telling a story about how his mom said “if you’re ever in danger in trouble look for a black woman to save you.” It Didn’t sit right with me because you’re a grown man looking for a woman to save you who’s gonna save us?! No one helps black women or black men. Look for a black man for protection or a black woman it’s so sickening but when we get killed it’s just “that’s just the way the cookie crumbles.” Nah…
I am so happy to hear a POC's thoughts on the reboot. Cause all I've been hearing is a white person's POV about it. And honestly, you hit most of the points on the head.
The show was more than colorist. It was downright racist. Just look at the Asian kids' teeth and eyes compared to the others 8:39 So many more instances like that with all the different races that appear in the show
Bebe's Kids, I believe, was just a movie that came out less than a decade before The Proud Family.
2:28 That show didn't age well...😅
Great video!
So when celebrity guy went up to Zoey I thought framing was more typical “cool guy likes nerd girl” and story was gonna focus on that. I didn’t think at time in scene colorism was at play. Like we’re so often taught about inner beauty/seeing past surface that’s how I read it. Was kinda surprised (but not turned off to theme) when went in colorism direction. But like it falls apart so quick cause girls are acting petty. They are acting on word of a rumor from new girl most cast doesn’t like in other episodes. And they don’t put in effort to investigate the validity of rumor or even try to confront Zoey about it. They just gossip & cut her out. It’s disheartening on so many levels cause so many easy ways this story could’ve been written better to not vilify the girls for resenting colorism & to actually give Zoey an arc where she meaningfully confronts this issue. But they don’t even let her be flawed like that cause her friends are ones effectively antagonizing her.
The message about colorism falls apart especially when light-skinned characters like Penny, Lacienega, and Trudy are considered the prettiest ones in the show.
I really appreciate this video. Theres been reviews of this episode before but most of them are strictly about the episode and ignore the context that you talked about. I think it would be interesting to hear you talk about the Juneteenth episode since a lot of people go in with a political mindset regarding the glorification of racist historical figures regardless of the episode and I think you could give a more nuanced take.
20:57 this is not true, plenty of men have preferences against their race, brown/latino boys not wanting brown/latino women, white boys not wanting white women, asian boys not wanting asian women. it’s not talked about often in terms of other races, but it definitely happens where women are down talked by their own community for their skin color. this is not to negate your point because i agree wholeheartedly, and it is less common, but it’s not exclusive.
19:16 Obama stuck around is wild
What I learned from this episode is: this friend group is HORRIBLE, and they pull the crabs-in-a-bucket routine when one of them has something they don't. How quick were they to insult tf out of Zoey ?? The girl who would dump this boy in a SECOND if she was told what was going on :(
If Penny wasn’t already dating Kareem and they weren’t blaming Zoey, maybe this episode could have worked? Unfortunately not.😅
All of the pieces are there for an insightful commentary on colorism, but they couldn’t put them together right.
This needs more views! I thought you were going to go easy on them after the glowing (and deserved) intro. I really enjoyed this show as a kid, it felt nice to have a little black cartoon safe space, but like yourself I grew up and noticed the colorism and negative tropes for what they are. It's so sad that the reboot had a chance to take this show in a better direction and instead doubled down. You made so many great points, can't wait to check out the rest of your series!
thank you so much! and its funny that you say this, because I went VERY easy on them LMAO The final version was my 3rd draft - I was nervous about being misunderstood lol
Not only that, it was more like a “he said she said” situation. It never showed Noah himself doing anything necessarily and obviously wrong without the other characters describing what he’s doing, and maybe if that actually was the case, it’ll be just a teeny bit better.
I know and sympathize that the video is on colorism. But Also want to bring up another episode that made me angry and showed writers’ opinions.
Penny is trying to get one of the Chang triplets to do an assignment and they call her out on Model Minority Theory. Penny yells “Black people cant be racist”.
Her SJW friend says Penny is right and how a person needs to be in a position of power in order to be racist. And minimizes Pennys racism as just being rude. “But black people CAN be rude”
And they never readdressed it again. This pissed me off. No Penny, that wasn’t just rude. That was 1000% racist
I remember that, too. 😭
I didn't really learn about colorism until I was older. While I was taught about racism from a young age, colorism didn't really pop up in my household with my mom and sister being light skin, my sister and I being brown skin, and two of my other sisters being dark skin.
i didn't think about it this way. the afro-textured hair is gorgeous and i envy girls with thicker hair like that. i always thought showing hair styles like Dijonay's being in a thick, poofy afro-like style in the college episode was good representation as many white folk seem to think those kinda of styles are messy and not pretty. having characters with those styles gives representation and shows them in a better light as an example of being pretty and neat. that was my opinion until watching this video. i thought by showing those kind of hairstyles was good representation for coloured girls as to be proud of their hair type. i didn't know it was harmful representation
Afro textured hair is beautiful, the issue is they assign it to negative portrayals of BLACK (not coloured) girls and women which leads to negative implications in the media. Remember; there had to be a law passed in the USA recently that made it illegal for employers and educators to disqualify and dismiss black women for wearing their natural hair to school/work. (And the law only passed in 14 of the 50 United States)
I’m black and white(both my parents are half) and black men will be disappointed when I tell them I’m black. They assume I’m Samoan or Hispanic. It’s so weird to me..
Thank you for this video. This episode has nothing to do with colorism but it keeps being referred to as the colorism episode. I was so confused and still am of where this label is coming from because no where in the episode title, description, or episode itself is the word or act of colorism ever mentioned. And yes the show, the OG and reboot, is made with colorism and probably won't address it until they're ready to take accountability for it. Nevertheless, I'm also relieved to see an opinion (other than my own) about how Penny and Dijonay at the most (if they didn't have boyfriends) have a reason for feeling the way they did. They were happy for Zoey when Noah asked her out until it was rumored that Noah exclusively didn't like girls of color. And everyone viewing this episode now sees Zoey as this poor innocent girl despite, at least in my opinion, Penny being done the worst in both series by her friends. Zoey rarely sticks up for Penny but makes Penny cry for not sticking up for her this one time. And now this episode antagonizes the black girls in the show and makes black girls come off as bitter and jealous. People are watching this episode and feel the girls are racists who are jealous and bullying Zoey, and this is bleeding into their thoughts on reality. I truly don't know if they'll ever fix the issues with the show. It has so much potential, even the characters they introduce like Noah, and then they just make it so hostile and negative. I really hope the third season is better but it's been what twenty years? If that's not enough time idk what is lol. Anyway, sorry this comment was long but this is the first video on this episode I can fully relate to. Also, I watched the Juneteenth episode. I don’t think it was that bad but I think they said something about slaves building the country and people didn’t like that too much 😂.
I am going to be honest here. I really don't think this is the show to do continuity like that. Everyone here got the short end of the stick.
You're right.
Zoey rarely sides with Penny, but I still felt sad for how the girls ostracized Zoey.
Didn't one of the characters literally say the word "colorism" at some point?
I don't remember if they refer to it specifically as "the colorism episode" but the creators have used the word "colorism" in interviews to describe upcoming Season 2 episodes and their themes, as well as "exploring colorism via the Dijonay character" which... doesn't really sound like this episode at all, but it also doesn't describe any other episode either, so.
I agree with the replies and I do NOT agree with Zoey being treated the way she was in this episode because she had no clue Noah was like that. The only thing is that Dijonay and Lacienaga are always rude and even worse than this in most episodes; it’s part of many shticks in the show. So Zoey can’t be surprised about how they’re behaving here because her character shtick is co-signing their behavior. Viewers also shouldn’t be surprised because Penny’s friends have stayed on her back since the OG pilot 😅. And they’re surprisingly happy for Zoey… until they hear about Noah. Some of them took it out on the wrong person (Zoey). Ironically, however, it was Penny who reminded them it was just a rumor, but they didn’t listen to her because they never do 😂. Also, I might be mistaken. I don’t recall a character ever mentioning colorism in the episode but I could be wrong. Nevertheless, the topic that was explored in this episode was not really colorism. I should probably check out the interviews because that would be helpful but I’m not quite understanding which episode explores colorism with any characters let alone Dijonay. Maybe it’s the one where she meets her boyfriend? I have to rewatch it but I truly don’t recall it being a major topic in any of the episodes, unless it was brought up briefly in a few lines. Nevertheless, S2E6 had nothing to do with colorism, that’s a completely different topic. It would be colorism if, for example, Noah said he only liked light skin girls, or if he pursued Penny and she finds out that he has hatred for dark skin girls like Dijonay. That would’ve been better in my opinion because they’d probably have to show his behavior on screen if he’s with Penny. It’s crazy how this dude was on screen for like all of five minutes and caused this much chaos. He should’ve been a real villain/antagonist if they were going to do this, just like in the OG series a guy Penny was talking to turned out to be a jerk. But we saw it on screen and he served as an antagonist. Seeing Penny have to decide whether Noah is more important than her friendship with Dijonay or how Penny feels about darker skin girls, or having Noah overcome his thoughts about dark skin girls through Penny or other characters teaching him would’ve been a better way to handle colorism. But because Penny is now in a committed relationship, those episodes from the OG series where she’d meet a guy (ex. S1E8, S1E16, S1E21, etc.) and learn something in her brief time with him can’t really be done here. If the girls were slow to date like in the OG series, there probably would be less boy issues so soon in this new series, and maybe Zoey could’ve had her own love interests at some point without it being just something to move the plot forward or cause conflict between the girls. I apologize; this was long 😅
My biggest gripe ever was just the lack of solidarity as GIRLS/WOMEN. There is no privilege in women being objectified. Just felt so off-brand to not do an episode that above all other labels women are women, they should have each others backs, and objectification is bad no matter who it is or from whom.
I watched the whole series, and the treatment of Hispanics/Latinos is similar to this. That joker looking dude that hangs out with suga mama is super stereotypical, and la cienega as well (rude and loud being a stereotype). In her first appearance in the rebooted series, they show her as super hairy on her face, which is a common stereotype within the Hispanic community. The fact that they made her dress as Elena because us Hispanics have no Disney Princess other than her 🤦🏻♀️. Their is so many more examples but imma just let ya do your own research
I’m not usually one to call out writers is a cartoon shows but I just gotta ask, what were they thinking with this one? But I still stand by the ending being the only good thing about the episode where Myron ask Zoey to dance, and the whole scene alone is wholesome.
Honestly, even Zoe deserved better than this. They're reasoning for assuming/realizing Noah only dates white girls is that they think Zoe is, aside form her race, totally undesirable. They treat it like it's a given that a conventionally attractive boy could never like her for any other reason, and the show seems to capitulate to that. Disappointing on all fronts.
Glad you spent time on Dijonay’s character. Everyone goes to critique the elephant in the room with this episode and a few others. Little do they actually point out how it seems they still haven’t learned their lesson in writing terms with certain characters
Ok but why did they dress Michael up as Pocahontas?? He’s not native at all, is he? Like why didn’t they give him the broadway version of Nala or something? That would’ve been amazing!
He said he was celebrating his Powhatan heritage, so I guess he’s half Native American, but yeah, this was just brought up to us so I get it
They gave him limited-time Powhatan heritage which will never be mentioned again just so he could dress as Pocahontas
@@youre764good. If they didn’t do that, the show would be slammed for cultural appropriation
@@ArmiGirl90 I'm native and I don't understand how dressing up as pocahontas, especially as her from the extremely racist diseny movie, is "celebrating your culture". If he's indigenous, why didn't they have him wear real traditional clothing as an accurate version of her instead of the costume they put her in in the movie? it's just a weird decision overall.