I just installed the timing chain on my 2001 Chrysler Sebring project car. This car is being given to someone in need. I couldn't have installed the timing chain kit without your help! Thank you so much. I will buy a Cloye's next time to show my appreciation.
@@BC_nopowder The timing chain itself was pretty simple with the engine out on the garage floor, and this video to reference. But overall, rebuilding the engine was pretty difficult. I failed to seat the torque converter properly the first time around so I had to take it all apart again. But I learned so much from the process.
I must say thank you Cloyes: wirh your instruction I proceed to repair my dodge Journey 2.7. I advice to readers, the oil pump can not be removed by 5 milimeter interference with oil pan.... another Dodge engineering mistake. Regards from Chile.
Awesome video I followed all the steps doing this but I do have a problem. When I turned the car on. It was Making a rattling noise under the valve cover of the tentioner and it was leaking oil from the cap cover. I need your help with this situation
i was worried about setting the timing, now i know i can take it all apart and set the timing with the marks. i hope that's correct. thanks for the torque specs, awesome video. you get a like.
Just had to say i got errr done ! The ole car is up and running again i was a bit worried about primeing the tensioner so i blocked the tensioner guide with a pair of vise grips pinched against the block so the tension was solid enouph to spin engine over without skiping a notch before i got the tensioner primed it worked out well !! now i know to turn both , left and right cam shafts clockwise ! Thanks again
as someone who had a water pump failure (fixed just before any critical damage could be done) followed by a gasket failure which resulted in all the bearings being ruined which lead to an engine swap for another 2.7 (shoulda got a new car) followed by a timing chain tensioner failure and a timing chain gear skip (the latter was my fault) this video is like a bar of gold and i cannot thank you guys enough after 2 years with my chrysler 2.7 never will i buy or recommend a 2.7
Idk if you or anyone sees this but I'm doing the timing on this 2.7 engine from an 06 300 but my triangle is above the crank at the 1:00 position... Am i just not seeing the correct mark? Or is there a reason i don't see this mark on any other 2.7 video?
Nice video! I have a Concorde 2004 with the same 2.7 engine. I need to replace the knock sensor due to P0325 engine code, which is why it's on limp mode. After removing the intake manifold cover, i'm stuck since the knock sensor is located under the fuel line going to the injectors. Do you have any video on how to remove the knock sensor? Would much appreciate it. Thank you.
Good night because I saw all that but in another way I put the piston number 1 up and now the car does not turn on a strip against explosions, you can help me
I'm having trouble with Left cam timing (small chain). Lining up the marker links with the little dots on the cams isn't working with the cam sprocket. By the time I have the marks on the big chain lined up, the marks on the small chain on the left are way off. Are there "red arrows" on the left side only? Can you send pictures of what the left cams look like when the big chain is installed? Thanks
As long as the marks on the small secondary chains were aligned before you started to install the primary chain, then you are good to go. In order to install the primary chain you will need to rotate the cams and the reference marks of the secondary chains will go away.
If I were to replace rocker arms and hydraulic lash adjusters (lifters)at the same time, is priming the oil system enough or should these parts be soaked in oil prior to installation?
Are they at the 12 o'clock or 6. Your crank rotates 2 times for every one rotation of the cams so if your crank is lined up but your cams or at 6 o'clock just rotate the crank another full turn. And they say to not worry about the chain marks when removing as long as the sprokets line up
I have a dodge magnum 2.7L engine I have purchase your tensioner , water pump and harmonic balancer. Now that I am installing the balancer what is the best tool to use for the 2006 Chrysler 2.7L Harmonic Balancer?
I have a rank no start. I have no spark. I replaced the cam and crank sensors. The asd relay is working. No broken wires. I dont have power at the 24 fuse. When I crank the engine I get a big bang once in a while. Will I get no spark if it's out of timing? I have no codes in the system.
Yes, at least in some applications. Our products can be found most auto parts suppliers. Just check with your local parts store or online supplier. We do not sell direct so I cannot give you any pricing.
I need help. Doing the water pump on a Chrysler but I cannot get the timing chain to get back on properly. I look at your video and I noticed you pull out the two gear wheels on top the lines up with the timing chain. If I take it off I will have to reline up the whole thing. I took off the timing belt without it. But now I am having difficult putting the chain back on the gear wheels and going back on the water pump...
The chain sets the timing, so yes you will need to remove both top sprockets. Install and align the chain to the crank sprocket mark, then install the 2 cam sprockets with the marks aligned and rotate the cams until the bolts align for the cam sprockets.
If you remove the tensioner cap you will need to remove the tensioner and deactivate it. Upon reinstallation, the valve cover will need to be removed to activate the tensioner against the chain.
why 0.75 to 0.90? where did you get that number? I checked the manual, there is no such number. It says only needs replacement if it is max wear indicator groove is visible.
Thanks for your video it looks like it is going to save me a lot of cash by doing it myself. my water pump just started leaking so I parked it immediately and am in the tear down phase. almost ready to remove the chains. one thing I can't figure out is how to remove the tensioner. it seems to have the power steering pump attached on top of it. I can't figure out how to remove the bolt to get it off. any ideas?
never mind about my question. I figured it out. I had to lower the motor after I removed the mounts. I had just paced it on blocks so it didn't lower enough. lowering it almost all the way allowed for me to reach the bolts to the power steering pump. thanks again. I was confused about the camshaft chain until I saw your video.
Hi there I have a dodge journey 2011 2.7L V6 with timing chain issue does the Chrysler Sebring 2.7L 2010 timing chain kit fit the dodge requirements?tia
Was I the only one that noticed that he installed the SBEC cam sprocket when the initial cam sprocket was NGC !,Other than that this was a very educational video,Thx.
If you know the engine is in time, you can mark the chain links using a paint pen that are aligned to the sprocket timing marks. If the engine is not in time, find a good image of the chain and marked chain links. Count the numbers of links between the marks and mark the links appropriately.
As long as all the marked chain links are engaged with the marked sprocket teeth then you are close enough. The actual position of the pistons doesn't matter, the chain is setting the timing. You just need to make sure the marks are aligned.
Just a question. You say to rotate the cams clockwise to bolt the sprockets back on but I was reading a Haynes manuel and it say that they rotate clockwise when you take them off and to rotate them counter clockwise to reinstall. Does it matter which way?
@@Cloyes01 thank you so much for the reply. I'm getting ready to put everything back together tomorrow and I was a bit nervous but your video was Amazing. Best video I've seen so far and just wanted to say thank for that.
My cam shaft timing marks are currently at 1 o'clock since they moved during the sprocket removal. I only see 1 painted link on one side and its lined up with the timing mark, but the other side I only see 1 painted link and its not lined up with either timing mark. Do I remove the cam shafts with the timing marks 1 o clock and re-install at 1 o'clock, tighten the caps, and then when I reinstall the sprocket I turn the cam back to line up the sprocket holes? Or its ok to remove the cam shafts with the timing marks at 1 o'clock, but reinstall with timing marks and both colored links at 12 o'clock anyways and then I can proceed to install the sprocket and turn the cam shaft till the holes line up?
So I have 2008 Chrysler 2.7L v6 and I have a time I g guide I need to put in or I just need this because and I think it need a timing align I have the chain not belt
I aligned my primary chain sprockets like in the video but the secondary sprockets are not pointing up. The passenger side are up but the driver side are down. What do i do
That is normal. The intake camshaft sprocket will only install onto the cam one way. You have to rotate the cams until the holes align for your primary sprocket. This will put the marks down on the LH bank. As long as your secondary chains/sprockets were timed properly, and you align the marks on the primary chain/sprocket, you will be in time.
@@Cloyes01 Thanx for answering , I checked the timing and it all seems fine, the car started intially , ran a bit rough and then cut out, it would not fire again, i checked and found the spark had gone, i checked all connections ect, any ideas , perhaps I am missing something simple, there is a small charge at the coils about 5 volts, is that normal. hope you can help...
almost done OK do the piston need to be on a timing also like does it matter where the piston are .or just as long as the line to the sprockets are alined .. ?????
The shafts will be in the correct position with the sprockets aligned as shown in the video. Due to the fact that the primary sprockets only install one way, and the crank sprocket uses a key, there is no way to be out of time with the marks aligned correctly.
I noticed that when you removed the left cam it was at 2 o'clock and when reinstalled it was at 12 o'clock. But when you did the right cam it came out and went back in the exact same position. Why wasn't the left cam done like this? Was valve timing affected? Please explain in detail. I have replaced the primary chain and tensioner and water pump before but have never done the cams
The camshafts can/will move slightly during the process. This is OK because the chain actually sets the timing in the end, not the shaft being aligned in any particular location. As long as the marked chain links all align to the marks on the sprockets then the engine is in time. It doesn't matter if the sprocket marks are clocked a little bit one way or the other.
Thanks for the insight! Greatly appreciated. I've had to change the water pump several times about every 30-40 thousand miles because the gasket fails not the actual water pump. So I'm familiar with the process except for taking the cams out and replacing the cam chains and cam tensioners
All the negative complaints on the Chrysler 2.7 engines comes from those who change oil every year and post a youtube video bragging about it and think spark plug blowing, timing chain rattling Fords and fuel leaking stopped up cat GMs are the best on the road. I won't even mention the Toyota, Honda, or Nissan crowd because they are very special...
my 2004 concorde 2,7 just stopped today !!! camsensor go bad first , put a new one ,,, engine started for few minute then died !!! had no compression on each cylinder now !!!! maybe the automatic tensionner is going bad !!! motor run always with synthetic oil !!! have never touch the water pump since i have the car *bought in 2010 * with 180 000 km , now 260 000 km !!! was pretty good and had never a problem since !!! just make maintenance on motor and drive with your head !!!
@@bowsdelux Sounds like the chain skipped a tooth or two. If so the heads will have to be taken to a machine shop. Had this happen to my neighbors 2005 Sebring convertible in 2014 with 189,000 miles. Total cost was $450 for everything, machine shop work, gaskets, chain, gears, oil pump, oil pickup, timing chain stop block. The same car now has 278,000 plus miles on it.
I am a dodge owner only thing I've ever owned I change my oil every 2500 I have a 2.7 l charger and owned it since it had 90000 on it it had 260000 on it now and I've replaced the timing system twice including water pump and oil pump this engine is a piece of shit
+getpaid38able In this video we used a combination of washers, and a GM LS oil pump drive to function as a sleeve. We did not have the special Chrysler tools on hand for filming. Although it is likely that there are a number of "do-it-yourself" solutions, we would always highly advise the use of the proper installation tools. You can still find the Chrysler tools, but you may have to purchase them from a vendor who specializes in tool sales. The installation tool part numbers are 6780 and 8179. Hope this helps!
Hi, I have a Dodge Journey 2.7 and mine is without oil pressure, can you tell me if you have a check valve or something like that that lowers the pressure?
Hi Cody, I am changing the head gasket on a dodge magnum 2.7L, when the tensioner is new do I have to put oil on it before I install it? And after putting the cylinder #1 to the TDC, is the sprocket mark is still align with the oil pump mark? And I need to be clear when said prime the engine over with the ignition system deactivated, can you please give me a little bit more details on that?
You do not have to put any oil in the tensioner before installation. The activation process requires you to compress the tensioner completely, and if the tensioner is primed with oil you will not be able to compress the tensioner far enough to activate it.The crankshaft sprocket mark is only aligned to the mark on the oil pump when the engine is at 60 degrees past #1 TDC. TDC is the position the engine needs to be in to set the timing.Before starting the engine up after timing system service it is best to prime the engines oil system and let the hydraulic timing chain tensioner fill up with oil This will insure the chain is tensioned properly before the engine is started We recommend deactivating the ignition system by disconnecting the coil packs, or pulling an appropriate fuse or relay. This will allow you to turn the engine over with the starter without starting the engine. Let the engine rotate with the starter for about 45 seconds to allow time for the tensioner to fill up. It would also be a good idea o pull the fuel pump relay during this process to prevent flooding the cylinder.
Thank you very much Mr. Cody, I am very appreciate it. So you mean after cranking the engine over for 45 seconds with the ignition system deactivated after that I can reactivate everything for a normal crank right, now my question is after I finish install everything back that's mean the engine is totally close, what is the next process that I will have to do to know for certain that the #1 cylinder is at the TDC. Help with the exact process that I must do. Best regards,
i had a bit of trouble. i lined up the spline mark of the crank sprocket with the mark on the oil pump. the the other corresponding marks. and when assembled i encountered backfire. now there is a seperate mark on the sprocket, a dot imbedded on the sprocket. could that have been the timing mark? this area of the engine was viewed from afar, as opposed to the other parts of the engine in this video. so obviously the directions were misconstrued.
All three colors lined up but when I put that left hand sprocket on last it wasn't I had to turn the bottom for the slack to come out I think maybe the timing is not on but all three colors were matched up
The alignment of the marked links of the chain to the sprocket marks is the important thing. It is normal to need to shift the slack or rotate the shaft slightly to get the new chain to align. As long as all 3 chain marks were aligned when you were done, then it is in time.
@@Cloyes01 you know I don't think I did it right so I think I'm just going to take the secondary chain off in a line it like you did on your video and redo all of the timing I'm going to follow your steps on this video is that the proper way to do it to put everything back in line if it's not in line because I put on all three new chains that's why I think I messed it up and thank you so very much for getting back to me this thing is a pain in the poopy I did it before but I only did the water pump but this time I did an oil pump water pump and it's a whole bunch of work
I ve replaced all chains and chain guides and also the tensioner, my question is does the tensioner is supposed to be in contact all the time with the tensioner guide or no?
Yes, once activated the tensioner should keep pressure on the tensioner guide. The pressure on the guide will be somewhat minimal without engine oil pressure, but it will be enough to get the engine started.
Cloyes Gear & Products, Inc. (Aftermarket) Well, i had to turn the crankshaft clockwise so the chain guide and tensioner can make contact, ive already counted the links on both new and use timing chain and are the same, im stuck.
Cloyes Gear & Products, Inc. (Aftermarket) yes sir, i did all that, it was a faulty tensioner, it wasnt springing all the way out, i got a different tensioner and now its working perfectly, thanks for your time and amazing videos keep on the excellent work.
2.7 timing video complete install info from cam timing to crank timing no need to watch any other video this dude tells all steps great job !
Tony Medford except he didn’t put the upper Guide’s back in
seems like he didn't need to take the upper guides out to begin with.
He didn’t show how to take the key out the crank sprocket
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My Brother, you sure make it look easy outside the engine bay. It's no fun inside the engine bay.
I just installed the timing chain on my 2001 Chrysler Sebring project car.
This car is being given to someone in need.
I couldn't have installed the timing chain kit without your help! Thank you so much. I will buy a Cloye's next time to show my appreciation.
So how hard was is and did it crank right up after you got finished , tell me more
@@BC_nopowder The timing chain itself was pretty simple with the engine out on the garage floor, and this video to reference. But overall, rebuilding the engine was pretty difficult. I failed to seat the torque converter properly the first time around so I had to take it all apart again. But I learned so much from the process.
always on point with every timing chain job I've done. your products and videos have never let me down. thanks.
I must say thank you Cloyes: wirh your instruction I proceed to repair my dodge Journey 2.7. I advice to readers, the oil pump can not be removed by 5 milimeter interference with oil pan.... another Dodge engineering mistake. Regards from Chile.
Awesome video I followed all the steps doing this but I do have a problem. When I turned the car on. It was Making a rattling noise under the valve cover of the tentioner and it was leaking oil from the cap cover. I need your help with this situation
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i was worried about setting the timing, now i know i can take it all apart and set the timing with the marks. i hope that's correct. thanks for the torque specs, awesome video. you get a like.
Just read the manual and worries is out.
thank you for this video. watching thia and then doing it myself a few weeks ago saved me $750 dollars
my mechanic didnt put the tensioner in right now he wants money to take it all apart and try again.
Well damn! That had to be the quickest most informative vid post i've ever seen! Thanks!
For real the best i have found on here exactly what i was looking for !!! About time i found the info i needed
I agree. Very informative. On a scale of 1 to 10, an easy 9.5.
Excellent Video. Probably the best ive ever seen. Thank you.
Just had to say i got errr done ! The ole car is up and running again i was a bit worried about primeing the tensioner so i blocked the tensioner guide with a pair of vise grips pinched against the block so the tension was solid enouph to spin engine over without skiping a notch before i got the tensioner primed it worked out well !! now i know to turn both , left and right cam shafts clockwise ! Thanks again
Was it hard
Excellent illustration bravo ✌🏾
This video is clear, fast, and if i would have found this first i could have saved a bit of time researching.
did a great job... learn this by watching him do it, took it off 3 times and install it till i got it right, thxs
Very helpful, and I like the wink at the end !
Once I saw this comment, I had to scroll to the end to see it hahahahah gold
Great Video!!! Alot better than these other dudes that have made a 25 min video without even showing how to do it! Will definitely subscribe to you
Holy Crap. This is an awesome video, and Cody is a God. If I need any parts for my Sebring, I know exactly who I'm gonna buy them from!
The best informative video I've seen so far!!! Congrats
That wink though!! That just got me to seek out Cloyes aftermarket gears and chains as a #1 choice manufacture!!! You wi ked your way to my business
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Thank you very much bro really
as someone who had a water pump failure (fixed just before any critical damage could be done)
followed by a gasket failure which resulted in all the bearings being ruined
which lead to an engine swap for another 2.7 (shoulda got a new car)
followed by a timing chain tensioner failure and a timing chain gear skip (the latter was my fault)
this video is like a bar of gold and i cannot thank you guys enough after 2 years with my chrysler 2.7
never will i buy or recommend a 2.7
Great professor
Thanks for the video I have to replace head gaskets and your video was very informative thanks Doug
How did that head gasket job turnout?Im fixin to get underway with one!
@@davegibson3763 hello there I never did the heads I had to replace water pump
I worked for them for 5 years and my brother still works for them after 20 years.
Hey john, can you contact me I need to ask some questions about the timing of the 2.7 motors
A Master mechanic thanks man
you really know your stuff . enjoyed and learned alot
Thanks m friends
Great video done very well. What size sleeve did you use to place the gear back on the crank?
Bro ur channel help me complete a 2007 300. Man very helpful 👍
Thanks!
Idk if you or anyone sees this but I'm doing the timing on this 2.7 engine from an 06 300 but my triangle is above the crank at the 1:00 position... Am i just not seeing the correct mark? Or is there a reason i don't see this mark on any other 2.7 video?
Nice video! I have a Concorde 2004 with the same 2.7 engine. I need to replace the knock sensor due to P0325 engine code, which is why it's on limp mode. After removing the intake manifold cover, i'm stuck since the knock sensor is located under the fuel line going to the injectors. Do you have any video on how to remove the knock sensor? Would much appreciate it. Thank you.
You have to remove the passenger side head to replace the knock sensor
What type of waterpump and kit did you purpose? There's a lot out there. Want to make sure I get a reliable one for this crazy job. Thanks!
Good editing.
Good night because I saw all that but in another way I put the piston number 1 up and now the car does not turn on a strip against explosions, you can help me
What is the recommended milage to change the timing chain and water pump?
So in the link all theese 2.7 motor fit a 09 Dodge charger 2.7 v6.if they are the same year
muy buen video y explicado a la perfeccion, gracias maestro.
nice video guys
this guy makes it look easy. pos motor. be careful on the can shafts. those screws break. really thin.
The very last part u said about "Prime the oil system by turning the enginen over with the ignition system deactivated" do u mean a clear flood crank?
I'm having trouble with Left cam timing (small chain). Lining up the marker links with the little dots on the cams isn't working with the cam sprocket. By the time I have the marks on the big chain lined up, the marks on the small chain on the left are way off. Are there "red arrows" on the left side only? Can you send pictures of what the left cams look like when the big chain is installed? Thanks
As long as the marks on the small secondary chains were aligned before you started to install the primary chain, then you are good to go. In order to install the primary chain you will need to rotate the cams and the reference marks of the secondary chains will go away.
If I were to replace rocker arms and hydraulic lash adjusters (lifters)at the same time, is priming the oil system enough or should these parts be soaked in oil prior to installation?
I`d Like To Know That When The Dots On One Side With The Camshafts Aren`t Top Centered. How To Get The Sprocket Top Centered
You figure it out? Me too
How did you put the crank pulley back on
Thxz for the run of putting on the time a lesson learned again 👍🙌✌👌😎
after putting pump,the fire is orange?
I have a question my marks are good at the crack sprocket but on cams there off
Can u help
Are they at the 12 o'clock or 6. Your crank rotates 2 times for every one rotation of the cams so if your crank is lined up but your cams or at 6 o'clock just rotate the crank another full turn. And they say to not worry about the chain marks when removing as long as the sprokets line up
Great video
I have a dodge magnum 2.7L engine I have purchase your tensioner , water pump and harmonic balancer. Now that I am installing the balancer what is the best tool to use for the 2006 Chrysler 2.7L Harmonic Balancer?
I have a rank no start. I have no spark. I replaced the cam and crank sensors. The asd relay is working. No broken wires. I dont have power at the 24 fuse. When I crank the engine I get a big bang once in a while. Will I get no spark if it's out of timing? I have no codes in the system.
Thanks for sharing,
Hi I have a question about The primary tensioner is it normal that it's so hard to return.
can this be done with the motor in the vehicle.? great video and how much is the replaceable parts ?
Yes, at least in some applications. Our products can be found most auto parts suppliers. Just check with your local parts store or online supplier. We do not sell direct so I cannot give you any pricing.
Disculpe la pregunta, en cuestión del kid del tiempo para un Charger 2006 motor 2.7 que marca es recomendable meterle ???
Kit number 9-0397SA will be the correct kit for your Charger.
I need help. Doing the water pump on a Chrysler but I cannot get the timing chain to get back on properly. I look at your video and I noticed you pull out the two gear wheels on top the lines up with the timing chain. If I take it off I will have to reline up the whole thing. I took off the timing belt without it. But now I am having difficult putting the chain back on the gear wheels and going back on the water pump...
The chain sets the timing, so yes you will need to remove both top sprockets. Install and align the chain to the crank sprocket mark, then install the 2 cam sprockets with the marks aligned and rotate the cams until the bolts align for the cam sprockets.
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Nice video,, I have a cuestión that happen if you don't reset the main tensioner? ,
does the cylinder 1 need to be at Top Dead Center (TDC)?
For the harmonic balancer, do you know which way I'm supposed to install it? I can't find info anywhere.
Can u just remove the tensioner cap to replace the the seal or do u need to remove the valve covers to make sure the chain don't jump? Great video.
If you remove the tensioner cap you will need to remove the tensioner and deactivate it. Upon reinstallation, the valve cover will need to be removed to activate the tensioner against the chain.
@@Cloyes01 I figured that but wanted to get a second opinion. Thanks for the reply and thank you for the great content. 👍
why 0.75 to 0.90? where did you get that number? I checked the manual, there is no such number. It says only needs replacement if it is max wear indicator groove is visible.
Really good video thanks and keep posting more
Thanks for your video it looks like it is going to save me a lot of cash by doing it myself. my water pump just started leaking so I parked it immediately and am in the tear down phase. almost ready to remove the chains. one thing I can't figure out is how to remove the tensioner. it seems to have the power steering pump attached on top of it. I can't figure out how to remove the bolt to get it off. any ideas?
never mind about my question. I figured it out. I had to lower the motor after I removed the mounts. I had just paced it on blocks so it didn't lower enough. lowering it almost all the way allowed for me to reach the bolts to the power steering pump.
thanks again. I was confused about the camshaft chain until I saw your video.
I have a 05 Stratus. After watching this I cried.........alot.
I have a 06 that just locked up, thinking I will be doing this in the near future..
Hi there I have a dodge journey 2011 2.7L V6 with timing chain issue does the Chrysler Sebring 2.7L 2010 timing chain kit fit the dodge requirements?tia
Great video. Thanks!
I have a 2008 Chrysler 300 2.7L v6 and it’s has a chain like this one and do this is what I need rn to min to
Was I the only one that noticed that he installed the SBEC cam sprocket when the initial cam sprocket was NGC !,Other than that this was a very educational video,Thx.
I'm having a very hard time finding the crank sprocket press tool. Could anyone point me in the right direction?
I have a question...how do you time the 2.7 dodge engine if you use the old chain and dont have Mark's on the links
If you know the engine is in time, you can mark the chain links using a paint pen that are aligned to the sprocket timing marks.
If the engine is not in time, find a good image of the chain and marked chain links. Count the numbers of links between the marks and mark the links appropriately.
what is 60 degrees after TDC according to the Haynes Manual? Mine is a tad bit, little lower than TDC will that work?
As long as all the marked chain links are engaged with the marked sprocket teeth then you are close enough. The actual position of the pistons doesn't matter, the chain is setting the timing. You just need to make sure the marks are aligned.
Just a question. You say to rotate the cams clockwise to bolt the sprockets back on but I was reading a Haynes manuel and it say that they rotate clockwise when you take them off and to rotate them counter clockwise to reinstall. Does it matter which way?
No, it doesn't matter. You just need to go the direction that is required to align the sprockets.
@@Cloyes01 thank you so much for the reply. I'm getting ready to put everything back together tomorrow and I was a bit nervous but your video was Amazing. Best video I've seen so far and just wanted to say thank for that.
My cam shaft timing marks are currently at 1 o'clock since they moved during the sprocket removal. I only see 1 painted link on one side and its lined up with the timing mark, but the other side I only see 1 painted link and its not lined up with either timing mark.
Do I remove the cam shafts with the timing marks 1 o clock and re-install at 1 o'clock, tighten the caps, and then when I reinstall the sprocket I turn the cam back to line up the sprocket holes?
Or its ok to remove the cam shafts with the timing marks at 1 o'clock, but reinstall with timing marks and both colored links at 12 o'clock anyways and then I can proceed to install the sprocket and turn the cam shaft till the holes line up?
So I have 2008 Chrysler 2.7L v6 and I have a time I g guide I need to put in or I just need this because and I think it need a timing align I have the chain not belt
I aligned my primary chain sprockets like in the video but the secondary sprockets are not pointing up. The passenger side are up but the driver side are down. What do i do
That is normal. The intake camshaft sprocket will only install onto the cam one way. You have to rotate the cams until the holes align for your primary sprocket. This will put the marks down on the LH bank. As long as your secondary chains/sprockets were timed properly, and you align the marks on the primary chain/sprocket, you will be in time.
I set the timing on my dodge journey 2.7 as you have shown but now there is no spark, i wondered if I had the cam wheel a 180 out
The camshaft sprocket only installs on the cam one way. If the sprocket and chain marks are aligned, then there is no way of being 180 degrees out.
@@Cloyes01 Thanx for answering , I checked the timing and it all seems fine, the car started intially , ran a bit rough and then cut out, it would not fire again, i checked and found the spark had gone, i checked all connections ect, any ideas , perhaps I am missing something simple, there is a small charge at the coils about 5 volts, is that normal. hope you can help...
I changed my water pump on my 300 only so know i can get my timing back right but i noticed when i was taking it apart the chain wasn’t on the dot
good job dear
almost done OK do the piston need to be on a timing also like does it matter where the piston are .or just as long as the line to the sprockets are alined .. ?????
The shafts will be in the correct position with the sprockets aligned as shown in the video. Due to the fact that the primary sprockets only install one way, and the crank sprocket uses a key, there is no way to be out of time with the marks aligned correctly.
Cloyes Gear & Products, Inc. (Aftermarket) thanks I was a little worried it's my wife's car and you know how that goes haha haha
I noticed that when you removed the left cam it was at 2 o'clock and when reinstalled it was at 12 o'clock. But when you did the right cam it came out and went back in the exact same position. Why wasn't the left cam done like this? Was valve timing affected? Please explain in detail. I have replaced the primary chain and tensioner and water pump before but have never done the cams
The camshafts can/will move slightly during the process. This is OK because the chain actually sets the timing in the end, not the shaft being aligned in any particular location. As long as the marked chain links all align to the marks on the sprockets then the engine is in time. It doesn't matter if the sprocket marks are clocked a little bit one way or the other.
Thanks for the insight! Greatly appreciated. I've had to change the water pump several times about every 30-40 thousand miles because the gasket fails not the actual water pump. So I'm familiar with the process except for taking the cams out and replacing the cam chains and cam tensioners
Great video. thanks for posting it
Replacing the water pump on my car also. Never getting anything with a Chrysler engine again.
All the negative complaints on the Chrysler 2.7 engines comes from those who change oil every year and post a youtube video bragging about it and think spark plug blowing, timing chain rattling Fords and fuel leaking stopped up cat GMs are the best on the road. I won't even mention the Toyota, Honda, or Nissan crowd because they are very special...
my 2004 concorde 2,7 just stopped today !!! camsensor go bad first , put a new one ,,, engine started for few minute then died !!! had no compression on each cylinder now !!!! maybe the automatic tensionner is going bad !!! motor run always with synthetic oil !!! have never touch the water pump since i have the car *bought in 2010 * with 180 000 km , now 260 000 km !!! was pretty good and had never a problem since !!! just make maintenance on motor and drive with your head !!!
@@bowsdelux Sounds like the chain skipped a tooth or two. If so the heads will have to be taken to a machine shop. Had this happen to my neighbors 2005 Sebring convertible in 2014 with 189,000 miles. Total cost was $450 for everything, machine shop work, gaskets, chain, gears, oil pump, oil pickup, timing chain stop block. The same car now has 278,000 plus miles on it.
I am a dodge owner only thing I've ever owned I change my oil every 2500 I have a 2.7 l charger and owned it since it had 90000 on it it had 260000 on it now and I've replaced the timing system twice including water pump and oil pump this engine is a piece of shit
I've had many brands of cars and every one of them needed maintenance and replacement parts at some point. Machines be that way.
I got a 2008 Chrysler 300 with 212,000 with no problem. I just want to get this done, before anything happens.
You are the best
I love watching this video
Great Video. What is the name of the sleeve you used to put on the crank sprocket?
+getpaid38able In this video we used a combination of washers, and a GM LS oil pump drive to function as a sleeve. We did not have the special Chrysler tools on hand for filming. Although it is likely that there are a number of "do-it-yourself" solutions, we would always highly advise the use of the proper installation tools. You can still find the Chrysler tools, but you may have to purchase them from a vendor who specializes in tool sales. The installation tool part numbers are 6780 and 8179. Hope this helps!
Hi, I have a Dodge Journey 2.7 and mine is without oil pressure, can you tell me if you have a check valve or something like that that lowers the pressure?
Oil pressure switch is bad
does the cam timing have to be a lined with the timing chain ???
With all the tech out today, would be nice if timing chain stretch could be detected w/o opening up the engine.
When you start getting codes about timing that's your sign
Hi Cody, I am changing the head gasket on a dodge magnum 2.7L, when the tensioner is new do I have to put oil on it before I install it? And after putting the cylinder #1 to the TDC, is the sprocket mark is still align with the oil pump mark? And I need to be clear when said prime the engine over with the ignition system deactivated, can you please give me a little bit more details on that?
You do not have to put any oil in the tensioner before installation. The activation process requires you to compress the tensioner completely, and if the tensioner is primed with oil you will not be able to compress the tensioner far enough to activate it.The crankshaft sprocket mark is only aligned to the mark on the oil pump when the engine is at 60 degrees past #1 TDC. TDC is the position the engine needs to be in to set the timing.Before starting the engine up after timing system service it is best to prime the engines oil system and let the hydraulic timing chain tensioner fill up with oil This will insure the chain is tensioned properly before the engine is started We recommend deactivating the ignition system by disconnecting the coil packs, or pulling an appropriate fuse or relay. This will allow you to turn the engine over with the starter without starting the engine. Let the engine rotate with the starter for about 45 seconds to allow time for the tensioner to fill up. It would also be a good idea o pull the fuel pump relay during this process to prevent flooding the cylinder.
Thank you very much Mr. Cody, I am very appreciate it. So you mean after cranking the engine over for 45 seconds with the ignition system deactivated after that I can reactivate everything for a normal crank right, now my question is after I finish install everything back that's mean the engine is totally close, what is the next process that I will have to do to know for certain that the #1 cylinder is at the TDC. Help with the exact process that I must do.
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I got a question. If the mark at the bottom align With the belt that means the other two at the top should be align too no ?
When properly timed all marked links will align. Once the engine has been rotated, the marked chain links can no longer be used as reference.
Thank you, very useful information.
i had a bit of trouble. i lined up the spline mark of the crank sprocket with the mark on the oil pump. the the other corresponding marks. and when assembled i encountered backfire. now there is a seperate mark on the sprocket, a dot imbedded on the sprocket. could that have been the timing mark? this area of the engine was viewed from afar, as opposed to the other parts of the engine in this video. so obviously the directions were misconstrued.
i did as instructed and im backfiring.........
I followed another video before finding this one... 🥺😞 I think i messed my car up. I wish I had found your vid first.
All three colors lined up but when I put that left hand sprocket on last it wasn't I had to turn the bottom for the slack to come out I think maybe the timing is not on but all three colors were matched up
The alignment of the marked links of the chain to the sprocket marks is the important thing. It is normal to need to shift the slack or rotate the shaft slightly to get the new chain to align. As long as all 3 chain marks were aligned when you were done, then it is in time.
@@Cloyes01 you know I don't think I did it right so I think I'm just going to take the secondary chain off in a line it like you did on your video and redo all of the timing I'm going to follow your steps on this video is that the proper way to do it to put everything back in line if it's not in line because I put on all three new chains that's why I think I messed it up and thank you so very much for getting back to me this thing is a pain in the poopy I did it before but I only did the water pump but this time I did an oil pump water pump and it's a whole bunch of work
I ve replaced all chains and chain guides and also the tensioner, my question is does the tensioner is supposed to be in contact all the time with the tensioner guide or no?
Yes, once activated the tensioner should keep pressure on the tensioner guide. The pressure on the guide will be somewhat minimal without engine oil pressure, but it will be enough to get the engine started.
Cloyes Gear & Products, Inc. (Aftermarket) Well, i had to turn the crankshaft clockwise so the chain guide and tensioner can make contact, ive already counted the links on both new and use timing chain and are the same, im stuck.
And you have reached in and compressed the tensioner completely and released it? Is the tensioner not springing out when released?
Cloyes Gear & Products, Inc. (Aftermarket) yes sir, i did all that, it was a faulty tensioner, it wasnt springing all the way out, i got a different tensioner and now its working perfectly, thanks for your time and amazing videos keep on the excellent work.
My question is: if you forgot to activate the tensioner what will happen to the engine? Will it make some clunking noise?
are the names shafts supposed to face each other I mean the first two are they supposed to face each other or the opposite or doesn't it matter
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