The transformation sequence takes a while, trust me. As soon as this bolt of lightning hits Metal Sonic, I immediately skip the cutscene and move on to the next one.
+Hector Gonzalez I think it took about a minute and a half... I could make a sandwich, go get some juice, hell, you could even go to the garage and fold a load of laundry in the time it takes.
Yeah... unlike Sailor Moon where it's every god forsaken episode (I am sorry Sailor Uranus, I am not worthy anymore to be a fangirl) but it took up 2-3 minutes each. At least Metal Sonic doesn't take as long as a magical girl
Addressing Shadow's memory loss issue, while Rougue might be a jackass for not explaining anything to him, the rest of the main characters have a good reason. For one thing, team Chaotix never even knew who they were before the game. E-123 Omega was probably just built, or at least after SA2 finished. Sonic and his gang didn't encounter Shadow in this game until that battle at frog forest, and they had no idea that Shadow had amnesia. They even comment in the game things like "Shadow, don't you remember us?" or some stuff like that, so they're just as confused as Shadow.
I will say Rouge might have a bit of a good reason not to tell Shadow what she knew about him. How do you tell your friend that he tried to kill everyone and expect anyone to feel good about it? I wouldn't wanna burden them with that knowledge.
TheDiego908 especially when it's the last part of the level when you're on an A rank run. I remember one time when I was playing as Team Dark in Final Fortress, on an incredible A rank run and that last rail the leads to the platform with the self destruct button, I only go and fucking miss it and die don't I!
I feel like people don’t realize you don’t need to touch the analog stick in level 14 when you’re shot to the next rail but there is one where you need to move the control stick a little because when I didn’t I died somehow
I feel bad for Big. Heroes showed he could be an awesome and hilarious power guy that can do damage as well as provide comic relief by non-challantly beating things with a fishing rod and just generally being a doofus, but his pointless and unfun playable debut completely wrecked his reputaion, and the eventual edgefests followed by the "friends" exodus killed any potential he had.
@@WillieManga they're more or less mercenaries.... as much as vector calls them a detective agency, they "don't turn down any work from a paying customer". logically, it makes sense that they have the mission based stuff, but it doesn't make it any less tedious or annoying.
I don't do speed runs, but JEEZ I hate Meteor herd and Death Chamber. Mad Space only took me 9 minutes and I prefer the look and music. I actually love Mad Space.
I agree with others on the bad collision detection on the PS2 version. The rail riding levels were TORTURE. Sometimes I'd just fall through the pipes, rather than grinding on them.
To tell the truth, this was my very first Sonic game I grew up with as a child. I loved it so much that the disk had so many scratches on the back. But what I don't remember is the game being so damn unforgiving in certain stages. But, all in all, I still love this game...sort of
4:50 note: The sonic 06 loading screen comes from the multi-player mode, which takes noticeably longer to load than the rest of the loading screens in the game, at least in my experience
I'm hoping Heroes gets the HD re-release treatment ala Sonic Adventure 1 and 2. Not only would it complete the trilogy, but....on a more personal note, my gamecube copy stopped working. Damn you, aging technology
+Gameslayer 9000 I did that. Still the control was just so unbearable; I couldn't get the final chaos emerald until a few months ago; I finally defeated Metal Sonic, I got a C rank, still upset about that, but as soon as I fully complete the game, I found out that I got to go for all the A ranks and I was DONE. The game really is ok at best; the music, the level design, it was alright! But the fact that the controls messed up and sometimes the level design can screw me over, I just didn't want to mess with it anymore. I'll just stick with the music and that's that. But I'm serious though! It took me five years to actually beat the game. The control and the special stages are just horrible; I mean come on, the control is slippery, it's hard to move the characters, the bombs are everywhere, I can't really collect many of the orbs to speed up, I just felt so angry when I lost the Emerald. I, eventually, collected the chaos emeralds with each different team; though in the end, I got the final emerald with Team Rose. Still, it doesn't beat the fact that it took me 5 years to get the chaos emeralds in Sonic Heroes.
JOHNNY: Still made a nice Christmas gift though right Eliot? ELIOT: *gives Johnny the middle finger* ME: Yeah if someone gave me the PS2 version of Sonic heroes, I'd flip them off too.
I honestly don't get the heat for the PS2 version. I didn't encounter nearly yhe amount of issues everyone else says they encountered. And I'm well aware of inherent flaws. It didn't stop me from enjoying the game, the fucking chaos emeralds and the final story notwithstanding.
@@esmooth919 I think it mainly stems from technical issues. Because the PS2 wasn't as powerful as the XBOX and GameCube, multiplatform games were often the worst on the PS2, except for "The Spongebob Squarepants Movie" game which had the worst of it on GameCube. However with "Sonic Heroes", I think it just stems from it being a last minute semi rushed port. Is the PS2 version playable? Sure. But if you have a Wii, just get the GameCube version since it runs much better, or if you have an XBOX 360, get the XBOX version as it is compatible with the 360 and doesn't have any noticeable compatibility issues. As for the PC version? I have no idea how that version turned out.
I could genuinely watch his sonic reviews forever... i have lost count of how many times i have watched his adventure series, this video, shadow and 06
I totally agree with johnny on the special stages. As a matter of fact im playing time rose on bingo highway. AND I SWEAR TO GOD I FEEL LIKE IVE DONE THIS 20 TIMES IN AN HOUR ITS TICKING ME OFF.
Having 100%'d Heroes a week ago, the thing I found for the Special Stages is that Team Rose actually isn't as helpful as expected. I swear that they're slower in the Special Stages than Sonic or Dark without having tighter control, and I found for a lot of stages I ended up taking longer to get the Emerald by attempting multiple times with Rose before getting others in 1-2 tries with Sonic/Dark while working on their A-Ranks. The other trick I found was you have to play weird with the Dash. I see people either mash or hold the button, both of which cause issues. Holding causes the Emerald to Rubberband Speed up if you can't maintain it to grab it quickly, while mashing doesn't pick up much speed since it keeps resetting your momentum. What worked best was getting a rhythm going to boost as soon as the old one's momentum wore off. (Note: None of this makes the stages good or tolerable, these were just tricks I experienced that made them easier)
Team Rose confronting Team Sonic was actually my least favorite part of the game, since the real Amy would never attack Sonic unless he unintentionally angered her like in a cutscene from "Sonic Riders" or an episode of "Sonic X".
I grew up on this game and have nostalgia for it, but I swear that Team Sonic section you mentioned in the Haunted Mansion level wrecked me so many times. The idea of trying it again scares me lol
"...he's still transforming... ...he's STILL TRANSFORMING! Did he beat Sonic '06's load time? There's no way he beat Sonic '06's loading time... ... Lord, have mercy, HE BEAT SONIC 'O6's LOAD TIME!"
Stages have always been based on score, and Team Dark in Heroes leans especially heavy on points in the stage compared to the Time Bonus in old games or even other teams like Sonic. Gold Robots and Enemy combos mean it's entirely possible to get all the points for the A Rank without counting any time bonus on Final Fortress specifically.
"I really want to like Sonic Heroes. I really do." This one line perfectly encapsulates my feelings for Sonic Heroes. The level design is good, the level aesthetics are good, the music is good, but the one thing that you can't afford to fuck up, the controls, is complete ass.
I'll always remember my first time beating this game, 11 years old sitting on my bedroom floor during my first year of highschool and my mum telling me I'll one day grow up and stop playing sonic. 8 years later and I'm still looking forward to the new releases
This is my second favorite 3d Sonic game, the first being Adventure 2. Yeah, the speed characters are slippery as fuck, but once you figure out how to control them properly, you'll have a very enjoyable experience.
XxPandomRandomxX Youre lying so hard bro.Ok then,what do you hate in SA2 and what do you like in Sonic 06.Music doesent count since every Sonic game has great music
Hopefully I'm not alone in thinking they should remake Heroes for Xbox One and PS4. They remade the Adventure titles, why not this one? They could even fix up the control and polish it up. It could turn out nice.
Oh. Well, the way I see it, it makes logical sense. Heroes is getting that finalized coating of nostalgia and making a port of the game will grant quite the number of sales. After all, I'm willing to bet many people bought the ports of the Adventure titles based on sheer nostalgia. I think it would be cool having that in consideration, but I wouldn't say it's a port that NEEDS to happen.
Remake of Sonic Heroes is a really great idea (but let's add to potential XBox One and PS4 also PC version :)), personally I think that this game deserves for more attention (and better reputation) than it's currently have. It's true that necessity to finish all 4 scenarios to have final boss is a bit painful and that control can be troublesome (it's trange, but IMO I had better feeling of control if I've used keyboard or some "classic" gamepad with D-pad)... But on the other hand it created nice and consistent gameplay style (varied with three type of characters), in my opinion WAY better than spoiled with irritating "find the emerald shard" in Sonic Adventure 2. Well, at this moment the biggest "remake" thing you can have is to obtain PC version and use HD mod (I've used it, it's only increasing screen res, but it makes noticeable difference).
There is always the PC version that came out a while later. You can play it at higher resolutions than the consoles up to 60FPS, along with some extra desktop backgrounds and animated cursors. Plus, they seemed to iron out some of the glitches, if memory serves correctly.
8:45 To perform the Rocket Accel correctly, you need to hold down the button bring everyone behind you. Once everyone is behind you, let go of the button and quickly press the button one more time again for another boost. This is also explained in the game's Tutorial.
I've been watching you for a while. I remember this episode ha 😅 Your retrospective style is timeless. I wish you and yours well. Thank you for the many hours of enjoyment.
4:31 I know that that's a long-ass transformation sequence, but I get the feeling, like most anime, every section of the transformation is supposed to be happening at the same time, which in real time should only take a few seconds to do
Johnny: "Oh I'm sorry, random Shadow robot... Don't you just HATE when you find a robotic copy of yourself just... lying on the floor for no reason whatsoever?" Me: "I KNOW RIGHT?!"
I honestly actually really did the PS2 version pretty well despite the bad collision detection, the grinding controls were much better because the PS2 controller had a good layout for 8 year old me
I still have the ps2 version and play the game sometimes. And to be honest, the control in the ps2 was better than the gamecube and xbox version, since the ps2's sonic heroes version was sloppy, the control feels better. Its not strict like the gamecube and xbox. I could easily turn and not really had alot of trouble during the rail switching and speed character's ..... Speed. Tho im disappointed it has lame circle shadows, 30fps and some graphical glitches. But the control was better.
Well he never said it wasn't enjoyable. It just has more glitches, and collision detection issues. I own all three. The GameCube it the best, but the Xbox version is a very close second.
This is my all time favorite Sonic game, but I do know its flaws. Casino Park and Bingo Highway have great themes, but Jesus Christ the pinball portions are HELLISH. I actually LOVE Rail Canyon though. The special stages? All I have to say is this: once you get all the Chaos Emeralds, NEVER GO BACK! It is GRUELING! There are other things that I do agree with already covered in the video, but other than that, I still enjoy Heroes better than Adventure 1 and 2
Agreed. This is still my favorite Sonic game, despite the flaws, which were the same as yours. I honestly like going back to this game more, even though I think SA1 did a better job.
I own the PS2 version, and it was fun when I first played it. But it got old after a while because I moved to Sonic Riders. I'm only 15, yet I soon realized the game was too bugged and generally not very fun on the PS2. 1) The camera is a piece of crap. 2) The collisions and movement had me slam into corners and walls far too often. 3) The cannon mechanic was cool, except some cannons would not launch me towards an area of progression. This made me very mad. 4) Load times were annoyingly long as well. 5) Personally, I could only beat Team Rose as a kid because the game was not good at showing me where it wants me to go when avoiding the rising energy escape levels on teams Dark and Sonic, and Chaotix was too boring and tedious to stay interested. 6) The game has aged very poorly (on the PS2) because of its bugs and glitches and awful camera and cannon mechanic.
The Gabenuel i never had most of these problems my load times are about 5 seconds though i can agree with the first 2 it never stopped me from playing the game i actually played it 2 days ago and i noticed i had 29 hours in that game lol
Raiden2421 Haha, nice! Like I said, I enjoyed it when i was younger. But going back to it today is almost personal torture. We just had different luck.
I agree with you. The repetition and the fact that this game's controls are...well, basically total ASS...really messes up the fun factor. I still haven't finished this game, and I've had it for about 7-8 years. Those damn special stages must have been designed by Satan...or a vengeful Alex Kid.
i love the concept of a pissed off alex kid spitefully posessing iizuka to do the shit he's done over the past however long it's been since he took centrestage
My only complaint for this game is Flight formation. I should be able to control Tails/Cream/Rouge/Charmy solo on the ground, be a bit faster and use their solo attacks, while retaining the standard flight formation and thunder shoot while on air.
Yeah, its a bit jarring, I was playing Team Sonic and I had Knuckles and Sonic on switches so I was able to control Tails solo. It felt right, like I wanted to have that option all the time.
16:43 I remember getting well over 20 gameovers on this part of the stage as a kid just because the homing attack wouldn't work a lot of the times and the camera was terrible.
This is still my third favorite Sonic game, and I found a lot of the issues he had with it easily surmountable. Also I like the Sonic and Dark stages best because of their length. It’s more time I get to spend in the level. The Special Stage controls do suck, though.
Agreed. Hope Johnny will bring it back again in a future review. I would love it if he put it in his Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed review, during the part where he talks about the extremely difficult missions in World Tour, like Traffic Attack, or some levels, like Chilly Castle & Burning Depths. I HATED these race tracks.
It would be cool if knuckles was as strong as sonic is fast. Like if everyone elses special skill was as insane as sonics speed so then they actually feel like they matter to the game.
I loved this game back in the day. The controls never bothered me. The cheap deaths did but I was able to look past them and still have fun. I would even say it's as great as the classic games which I played years before. For me this and the first three games will always be some of the greatest games of my childhood.
I was just waiting for you to talk about the special stages. Man as a kid I used to hate these stages and we're never able to get all 7 Chaos Emeralds.
happy 20th anniversary sonic heroes!!! :3 i really love this game to me it had a style i actually like way more than sa2 with having one enjoyable structure(even though it's loose i didn't have nearly as much trouble with the gameplay as johnny who goes too fast,only felt team dark/the haunted levels of the chaotix length actually dragged and the adventure games had pacing issues as well,loved playing as the power characters so much for their attack range though agree hated the special stages and wish they'd either make them actual stages, find them like the game gear games or a reward for beating the story like generations.) and dialing the tone back while still having fun ties to the previous games. (like metal sonic's transformation and stealing chocola tying to the chao's connection to chaos/being the closest in game till frontiers to showing chaos origin as a mutated chao.) and also having many other things i loved like shadow(this,prime and 06 are my favorite depictions of him with how straightforward but snarky and somewhat suave he is with rouge, david humphrey should voice him again as i liked the charm he gave shadow.),the presentation(outside having the worst voice of tails liked the voices especially knuckles being laid back which i wish they went with instead of being a short tempered gullible hot headed fool.),metal sonic(outside the ova the most fleshed out i think he's felt with him knowing he's a copy of sonic but thinking he can surpass him.wish the games did something with omega and shadow having him at the end instead of shadow the hedgehog.) omega(love his first voice and wish it could be replicated as he's my favorite team dark member.),making amy(after being a rough draft in adventure 1 and being pointless storywise outside an extremely hokey moment/multiplayer in 2 i liked how they followed up on amy's snappy,sarcastic but headstrong go getter attitude that i'm extremely glad boom/the comics and recent brought back.) /big the cat badass(liked his friendship with amy and big brother nature to cream holding her while she's scared of metal sonic's transformation along with being more likable character wise as i don't think he's a bad character.),team chaotix(have a huge love of these guys and their theme song is awesome.),the levels(my favorite being outside the control the casino levels being a city turned into a vegas pinball and egg fleet/final fortress being an air fleet in the middle of a dark as night storm with lightning constantly flashing in the cutscenes that's still my favorite airship level in sonic.) and the other playable characters(sonic games seriously need to do this again.:3) carrying the feel of the classic games in the modern era.
supernitendex7 There's a lot of control quirks that really alleviate issues people may have. I can't say it means it's perfect but the control really is something you can get used to with few problems.
+William White The characters all play the same and suffer the same issues, like the speed controls for every speed character. I would love this game much better, if it was just Team Sonic only.
William White Well seeing how Team Sonic levels are long enough as it is, the game would be long enough for a Sonic game. The fact that the game needs to be as long as it was, is proof of padding. They could again just have Team Sonic or at the very least, make all the Teams just optional and not have to do the other teams to beat the game. I didn't need to play as Tails or Knuckles in Sonic 3 And Knuckles to fully complete, so why do i need to do it here?
14:24 - While Sonic Heroes contains levels that I absolutely love, it also has a share of stages that I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT F*CKING STAND FOR THE LIFE OF ME!
Was originally going to be Sonic Adventure 3 but the team changed the name to Sonic Heroes in a bid to attract new fans to the game franchise. There was originally going to be an "F" rank, but ended up getting cut out of the final game While playing as Shadow or Omega, if you use the first-person camera to look at Rouge, she will occasionally turn her head and wink at you.
*Transformation Begins*
*Graduates High school*
*Gets Masters Degree*
*Gets Married*
*Has Kids*
*Transformation Ends*
Bubsy The Bobcat got no idea what just happened but alright
Metal Sonic's transformation @ Mexican Armada
Actually the transformation takes about 9 generations.
Somebody watches Scykoh
You forgot Retirement in between the transformation ending and kids
15:08
Knuckles:"Oh no!We're falling to our deaths!What do we do?"
Sonic:"Let's make a double synchronized spin!"
Knuckles:"All right! :D"
+Girolamo Esposito Let's make a Sandwich :D
***** Lol
IT'S YOU FROM TUMBLR!
jey-tey-sey.tumblr.com/post/151317841065/jey-tey-sey-awkwardsonicphotos
notlame9000 I don't know how Tumblr works so I have no idea what I'm looking at.
“Phew! I think my heart stopped.”
Wait... it took Metal Sonic longer to transform into Metal Overlord than it takes to load something in Sonic 06?! WHAT THE HELL?!
The transformation sequence takes a while, trust me. As soon as this bolt of lightning hits Metal Sonic, I immediately skip the cutscene and move on to the next one.
+Hector Gonzalez I think it took about a minute and a half... I could make a sandwich, go get some juice, hell, you could even go to the garage and fold a load of laundry in the time it takes.
Yeah... unlike Sailor Moon where it's every god forsaken episode (I am sorry Sailor Uranus, I am not worthy anymore to be a fangirl) but it took up 2-3 minutes each. At least Metal Sonic doesn't take as long as a magical girl
JOHNNY RIGGED IT!!!
Worst part is, that transformation had over a 30 second head start over that Sonic 06 loading screen
11:43 Big is grinding on rails... with his crotch
How does that not burn?
Laughin' Jokin' Numbnutz.
HyperStarman FFFFRRRRRRROOOOOOGGGGGGYYYY
Sonic McGrath **stares at his balls**
_Lookin' kinda weird there Buddy_
***** I love you too..
Because he has balls of steel
I remember when this happened:
Got a D Rank. Sonic says "No problem"
Got a C Rank. Sonic says "Barely made it"
wut
Schädelesser I agree
@@bakedcrystal915 facts
He means its fine he got a D. No worries. Not it was no problem getting it.
that was SA2 tho
The idea is that certain stages have set quotes for some baffling reason, and no their not story stages.
Addressing Shadow's memory loss issue, while Rougue might be a jackass for not explaining anything to him, the rest of the main characters have a good reason. For one thing, team Chaotix never even knew who they were before the game. E-123 Omega was probably just built, or at least after SA2 finished. Sonic and his gang didn't encounter Shadow in this game until that battle at frog forest, and they had no idea that Shadow had amnesia. They even comment in the game things like "Shadow, don't you remember us?" or some stuff like that, so they're just as confused as Shadow.
Yeah except the minute shadow didn't answer yes they should have explained it.
Kye Dysarthria Shadow also had long record of being a dick before this game, so, you know, could just be evil again.
Rouge however really had no excuse outside of one line from sa2 that admittedly felt forced at the time
I will say Rouge might have a bit of a good reason not to tell Shadow what she knew about him. How do you tell your friend that he tried to kill everyone and expect anyone to feel good about it? I wouldn't wanna burden them with that knowledge.
"Or maybe that's the ghost of Shadow we saw earlier"
-Knuckles The Echidna, 2003-
Every time a character dies in the game footage by falling into a pit because of the game's physics, I swear part of my soul dies a bit
TheDiego908 especially when it's the last part of the level when you're on an A rank run. I remember one time when I was playing as Team Dark in Final Fortress, on an incredible A rank run and that last rail the leads to the platform with the self destruct button, I only go and fucking miss it and die don't I!
@GREENWOLF 1337 sureeeee
>because of the games physics
Actually it's because he's bad at sonic heroes.
That’s because you’re playing it too recklessly. Sonic Heroes is one game that you need to play carefully and strategically, kinda like Castlevania
I feel like people don’t realize you don’t need to touch the analog stick in level 14 when you’re shot to the next rail but there is one where you need to move the control stick a little because when I didn’t I died somehow
Oh my god...
Metal Sonic's transformation takes longer than the Sonic 06's loading times?!
JoCoProductions only gotta see it once though, and it is something to behold.
+Android 19 agreed
Eli Jaramillo How would co-op change the length of a cutscene?
+JoCoProductions Lol
+JoCoProductions It's... LEGEDARY
"I'm falling!"
Me: You don't say
Blaze Nine thousand
oy (3 Hours later) "I'M STILL FALLING!"
Me: SHUT THE FUCK UP TAILS
Tails: WANT SUM MOAR?
ShadowMaster77 VGCP Johnny:Oh,I HATE that line!
Flamestar320 power to the people
Me: OH I HATE THAT LINE TOO!
Johnny:GLAD WE AGREE!
Flamestar320 power to the people
Me: Thanks
Describing E-123 Omega: "Uhhh...Gamma on steroids?"
Most accurate description of him, ever.
I feel bad for Big.
Heroes showed he could be an awesome and hilarious power guy that can do damage as well as provide comic relief by non-challantly beating things with a fishing rod and just generally being a doofus, but his pointless and unfun playable debut completely wrecked his reputaion, and the eventual edgefests followed by the "friends" exodus killed any potential he had.
Well at least he was in Sonic Runners and LEGO Dimensions.
He was pretty funny in Chronicles, despite that being a shitty game with an uninteresting plot
He was in sega all star racing
TIME TO GET SERIOUS
@@markmayonnaise1163 I like Chronicles
I feel that this game is flawed, but enjoyable. That's just me though
yeah me too
Hi Robotnik
I can agree.
I feel the same.
I somewhat agree but it's still mediocre.
Team Chaotix is the most 'cold-blooded' team.
BBBBBOOOOOO GET BETTER JOKES!!!!!
Is it because two of the team are reptiles?
... What a CROC.
But that doesn't explain why they are special mission based.
@@WillieManga they're more or less mercenaries.... as much as vector calls them a detective agency, they "don't turn down any work from a paying customer".
logically, it makes sense that they have the mission based stuff, but it doesn't make it any less tedious or annoying.
You think 16 minutes is bad?! In SA2, I spent OVER 40 MINUTES on Meteor Herd!
Quickman may win were you doing a speedrun?
I don't do speed runs, but JEEZ I hate Meteor herd and Death Chamber. Mad Space only took me 9 minutes and I prefer the look and music. I actually love Mad Space.
Quickman may win i was making a joke
I know, but I was just saying it. I don't know why so many people hate Mad Space.
40 minutes??? Dude, that's ridiculous. xD I think it only took me 6 or 8.
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I agree with others on the bad collision detection on the PS2 version. The rail riding levels were TORTURE. Sometimes I'd just fall through the pipes, rather than grinding on them.
Really? I love Rail Canyon and Bullet Station (and yes, I play the PS2 version)
Yeah, rail Riding was awful and control too, i even have problems going through ramps sometimes
I have the PS2 version and I beat the rail grinding levels without much trouble
O no....the game grumps are playing through Sonic Heroes on the PS2...
The rail grinding in Heroes were awful. Wasn't till Shadow where they got it right ( despite the game being mediocre ). But gotten worst in 06.
To tell the truth, this was my very first Sonic game I grew up with as a child. I loved it so much that the disk had so many scratches on the back. But what I don't remember is the game being so damn unforgiving in certain stages. But, all in all, I still love this game...sort of
Yeah, this one of my first Sonic games as well....... and I had the PS2 version
Mine too
Same and I had the GameCube version
Can't say I love Sonic Heroes anymore, but I still enjoy it. (I just wish I didn't have to play the same levels four time)
SoniFlare245 Mine was Sonic 3 and Knuckles
That smile when Elliot gave Johnny the middle finger is always hilarious every time you see it.
4:50 note: The sonic 06 loading screen comes from the multi-player mode, which takes noticeably longer to load than the rest of the loading screens in the game, at least in my experience
21:13 - *WHAT FRESH HELL HAVE I JUST WITNESSED*
10:07 You can cancel the time stop aftereffect of Team Dark's Team Blast by simply pressing the Team Blast button.
serious?! sweet, thx for putting that up
***** ditto, can't believe i didn't try that...
It's okay. Not everyone is going to be aware of stuff like this in a video game. =)
Wait really!!? I play this game sooo many time. I didn't know you could really do that )x
sonic dash Lol. I didn't know that there was a last story at first. When I first discovered it, my mind was blown. X)
I actually made a sandwich during that sequence
I'm hoping Heroes gets the HD re-release treatment ala Sonic Adventure 1 and 2. Not only would it complete the trilogy, but....on a more personal note, my gamecube copy stopped working. Damn you, aging technology
+CEAON =(
+CEAON I'm on the same boat. After ten years, my game finally crapped out on me as well. =(
The PS2 version was ported to the PSN if i'm not wrong. The only problem is that the PS2 version is much worse than the GC one.
Dr. Cardus Really? I've only played the PS2 version a few times, so I wouldn't know.
Dr. Cardus In the UK only
Growing up was not a good time for me....I had sonic Heros on PS2
same
Same man, I feel you
So did I It was my first Sonic game
After 5 YEARS, I finally got all the Chaos Emeralds! 5 FREAKING YEARS!!!! 5!!!!
+Gameslayer 9000 I did that. Still the control was just so unbearable; I couldn't get the final chaos emerald until a few months ago; I finally defeated Metal Sonic, I got a C rank, still upset about that, but as soon as I fully complete the game, I found out that I got to go for all the A ranks and I was DONE. The game really is ok at best; the music, the level design, it was alright! But the fact that the controls messed up and sometimes the level design can screw me over, I just didn't want to mess with it anymore. I'll just stick with the music and that's that. But I'm serious though! It took me five years to actually beat the game. The control and the special stages are just horrible; I mean come on, the control is slippery, it's hard to move the characters, the bombs are everywhere, I can't really collect many of the orbs to speed up, I just felt so angry when I lost the Emerald. I, eventually, collected the chaos emeralds with each different team; though in the end, I got the final emerald with Team Rose. Still, it doesn't beat the fact that it took me 5 years to get the chaos emeralds in Sonic Heroes.
Here's some advice, when ever you grind rails, just make sure you're flying formation, that way if you fall off, you can just fly.
That's exactly what I did when I played the game.
MY GOD, EVEN SONIC '06'S LOAD TIMES ARE FASTER THAN METAL SONIC'S TRANSFORMATION!
heh but to be honest i really like this game
Funny and original.
Your joking right ?
21:13 TIME TO GET SERIOUS.
nice profile pic lol.
TIME LAY DOWN
ITS NOT OVER YET
(Cowers) WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP!!
Is it wrong that I expect him to say "Draw me like one of your French Cats?"
4:23 eggman: Metal, have you finally come to your senses, to let me fre... metal sonic : NEW ROOMATE
HI I AM OMOCHAO!
+Ivoman Palushev
Oh no. OH NO! "Press the R button to destroy oooommmmooooocccchhhhhaaaaaooooooooo o o o o
+superstar64 still waiting for the next animation.
HI! IM OMOCHAO!!! I'LL HELP YOU! PRESS THE X BUTTON TO JUMP! PRESS THE B BUTTON TO LIGHT A CANDLE! PRESS THE R BUTTON TO DO A BARREL ROOOLLLL!!!!
I fucking died when you compared Metal Sonic transforming to Sonic 06 load times 😂
Metal Sonic sure takes a long time to transform.
4:51 Still one of the best jokes at the expense of the Sonic franchise *to this day!*
JOHNNY: Still made a nice Christmas gift though right Eliot?
ELIOT: *gives Johnny the middle finger*
ME: Yeah if someone gave me the PS2 version of Sonic heroes, I'd flip them off too.
Yup
PS2 version is better than you think
@@erikstensaas1202
It's flaws are over exaggerated, but I definitely think it's the worst version to play.
I honestly don't get the heat for the PS2 version. I didn't encounter nearly yhe amount of issues everyone else says they encountered. And I'm well aware of inherent flaws. It didn't stop me from enjoying the game, the fucking chaos emeralds and the final story notwithstanding.
@@esmooth919 I think it mainly stems from technical issues. Because the PS2 wasn't as powerful as the XBOX and GameCube, multiplatform games were often the worst on the PS2, except for "The Spongebob Squarepants Movie" game which had the worst of it on GameCube. However with "Sonic Heroes", I think it just stems from it being a last minute semi rushed port. Is the PS2 version playable? Sure. But if you have a Wii, just get the GameCube version since it runs much better, or if you have an XBOX 360, get the XBOX version as it is compatible with the 360 and doesn't have any noticeable compatibility issues. As for the PC version? I have no idea how that version turned out.
I could genuinely watch his sonic reviews forever... i have lost count of how many times i have watched his adventure series, this video, shadow and 06
My first Sonic Game :')
same here
my was sonic 2
B) This thread still goin?
Probably. Eh, I'm down with it.
Always do.
still waiting for that knuckles chaotix review
+john Tom Same.
You have no idea how long I have waited.
5...years.....5....#######....years
John announced he was doing another Sonic Marathon recently.
*_"We can only hope"_*
+SMF12345 it's four years already?😱
"Order a pizza with a side of buffalo wings"
I don't know why, but that always gets to me. I love it
I totally agree with johnny on the special stages. As a matter of fact im playing time rose on bingo highway. AND I SWEAR TO GOD I FEEL LIKE IVE DONE THIS 20 TIMES IN AN HOUR ITS TICKING ME OFF.
Funny that i remember losing to that special stage in particular, more than any of the others. Not even the last one felt as hard.
+xXGamerDudeXx56 dude, don't dash on those stages, it's a lie.
I luckily found a trick. Just go on the roof of the pipe and boost. It makes no sense but it works.
xXGamerDudeXx56 that's the exact trick i used, except i didn't boost.
Having 100%'d Heroes a week ago, the thing I found for the Special Stages is that Team Rose actually isn't as helpful as expected. I swear that they're slower in the Special Stages than Sonic or Dark without having tighter control, and I found for a lot of stages I ended up taking longer to get the Emerald by attempting multiple times with Rose before getting others in 1-2 tries with Sonic/Dark while working on their A-Ranks.
The other trick I found was you have to play weird with the Dash. I see people either mash or hold the button, both of which cause issues. Holding causes the Emerald to Rubberband Speed up if you can't maintain it to grab it quickly, while mashing doesn't pick up much speed since it keeps resetting your momentum. What worked best was getting a rhythm going to boost as soon as the old one's momentum wore off.
(Note: None of this makes the stages good or tolerable, these were just tricks I experienced that made them easier)
18:38 that perfectly sums up how the special stages work in sonic generations.
I played this game a lot on my PS2. I sucked at it but it was still fun XD
21:14
Big: TIME TO GET SERIOUS
Johnney & Elliot: Meltdown At 100% Completion
Team Rose confronting Team Sonic was actually my least favorite part of the game, since the real Amy would never attack Sonic unless he unintentionally angered her like in a cutscene from "Sonic Riders" or an episode of "Sonic X".
That is why people love it. Because Amy is finally fighting Sonic.
+AGM Official or backwards
@@RaCUtricolor For a dumb ass reason.
I grew up on this game and have nostalgia for it, but I swear that Team Sonic section you mentioned in the Haunted Mansion level wrecked me so many times. The idea of trying it again scares me lol
"...he's still transforming... ...he's STILL TRANSFORMING! Did he beat Sonic '06's load time? There's no way he beat Sonic '06's loading time... ... Lord, have mercy, HE BEAT SONIC 'O6's LOAD TIME!"
The Last Stage with Team Dark took me 20 minutes and I got the rank A XD.
***** maybe its the score
Most sonic games are ranked based on your score. Low score equals E rank. High score equals A rank. (later games S rank.)
Stages have always been based on score, and Team Dark in Heroes leans especially heavy on points in the stage compared to the Time Bonus in old games or even other teams like Sonic. Gold Robots and Enemy combos mean it's entirely possible to get all the points for the A Rank without counting any time bonus on Final Fortress specifically.
Every time I hear the Sonic Heroes theme, I’m reminded of that one livestream for Sonic where the guy asked the crowd to sing.
That was a clusterfuck
Back to this review for no reason
"I really want to like Sonic Heroes. I really do."
This one line perfectly encapsulates my feelings for Sonic Heroes. The level design is good, the level aesthetics are good, the music is good,
but the one thing that you can't afford to fuck up, the controls, is complete ass.
6:41 Don't fuck with Amy when it comes to Sonic. Or she will kill you.
Believe it or not, Sonic Heroes is what made me the Sonic the Hedgehog fan that I am today.
Same, I was one, but this game made me a huge fan
***** Yeah! Although I do think there are plenty of other better Sonic games to get, But I have the most nostalgic memories with this one.
A Studios
me too :3 love that game, still have it somewhere
eli gonzalez Hmm...Bumber. :( Consider me jealous if you used to be one of those Gamecube owners who owned Super Smash bros Melee on your collection
eli gonzalez Why am I the only Gamecube owner that hasn't played/owned that game yet?
I'll always remember my first time beating this game, 11 years old sitting on my bedroom floor during my first year of highschool and my mum telling me I'll one day grow up and stop playing sonic. 8 years later and I'm still looking forward to the new releases
This is my second favorite 3d Sonic game, the first being Adventure 2. Yeah, the speed characters are slippery as fuck, but once you figure out how to control them properly, you'll have a very enjoyable experience.
I agree.
I love Sonic Heroes as well. It's my second favourite 3D Sonic game, my favourite being a tie being Sonic 06, Sonic Unleashed, and Sonic Colors.
XxPandomRandomxX You like Sonic 06?WTF
luka stojanovic Yeah, I do. And I hate SA2
XxPandomRandomxX Youre lying so hard bro.Ok then,what do you hate in SA2 and what do you like in Sonic 06.Music doesent count since every Sonic game has great music
Johnny:” She wants to physically assault Sonic just so she can marry him?”
Me: Apparently
Hopefully I'm not alone in thinking they should remake Heroes for Xbox One and PS4. They remade the Adventure titles, why not this one? They could even fix up the control and polish it up. It could turn out nice.
They will never fucking do that.
Oh.
Well, the way I see it, it makes logical sense. Heroes is getting that finalized coating of nostalgia and making a port of the game will grant quite the number of sales. After all, I'm willing to bet many people bought the ports of the Adventure titles based on sheer nostalgia. I think it would be cool having that in consideration, but I wouldn't say it's a port that NEEDS to happen.
Remake of Sonic Heroes is a really great idea (but let's add to potential XBox One and PS4 also PC version :)), personally I think that this game deserves for more attention (and better reputation) than it's currently have. It's true that necessity to finish all 4 scenarios to have final boss is a bit painful and that control can be troublesome (it's trange, but IMO I had better feeling of control if I've used keyboard or some "classic" gamepad with D-pad)... But on the other hand it created nice and consistent gameplay style (varied with three type of characters), in my opinion WAY better than spoiled with irritating "find the emerald shard" in Sonic Adventure 2. Well, at this moment the biggest "remake" thing you can have is to obtain PC version and use HD mod (I've used it, it's only increasing screen res, but it makes noticeable difference).
There is always the PC version that came out a while later. You can play it at higher resolutions than the consoles up to 60FPS, along with some extra desktop backgrounds and animated cursors. Plus, they seemed to iron out some of the glitches, if memory serves correctly.
I rather have a sequel to it that improve everything in the game.
8:45 To perform the Rocket Accel correctly, you need to hold down the button bring everyone behind you. Once everyone is behind you, let go of the button and quickly press the button one more time again for another boost. This is also explained in the game's Tutorial.
Jokes on you, I got all chaos emeralds with team sonic.
i thought the teams did have certain moves that were different from other teams, like espio's invisibility or amy's piko piko hammer glide thing
***** Everything, you talked about the overall gameplay, he talked about gameplay.
Best part of this review is 18:02 I can't stop watching it
same
I've been watching you for a while. I remember this episode ha 😅
Your retrospective style is timeless. I wish you and yours well. Thank you for the many hours of enjoyment.
Damn. This video is almost 5 years old. Feels like just yesterday I would come back from school eagerly hoping Johnny would release a new review
Now is 9 years. How does that make you feel?
4:31 I know that that's a long-ass transformation sequence, but I get the feeling, like most anime, every section of the transformation is supposed to be happening at the same time, which in real time should only take a few seconds to do
Tails: Want some more
Johnny: GAHH I HATE THAT LINE!!!!
Sub Zero The Ice Ninga thanks for repeating what was in the video 👍
Johnny: "Oh I'm sorry, random Shadow robot... Don't you just HATE when you find a robotic copy of yourself just... lying on the floor for no reason whatsoever?"
Me: "I KNOW RIGHT?!"
Topaz Lynx Wednesday’s are a pain for me due to this. I have to do this weird duel with my duplicate which wastes my time.
I love how Sonic 06 loads much longer than the other three games during Metal Sonic's transformation sequence.
Is it just me, or does it kinda look like Shadow is looking up Amy's skirt on the character select screen?
You know a transformation sequence is too long when it takes longer than a Sonic 06 loading screen.
I honestly actually really did the PS2 version pretty well despite the bad collision detection, the grinding controls were much better because the PS2 controller had a good layout for 8 year old me
I still have the ps2 version and play the game sometimes. And to be honest, the control in the ps2 was better than the gamecube and xbox version, since the ps2's sonic heroes version was sloppy, the control feels better. Its not strict like the gamecube and xbox. I could easily turn and not really had alot of trouble during the rail switching and speed character's ..... Speed. Tho im disappointed it has lame circle shadows, 30fps and some graphical glitches. But the control was better.
Well he never said it wasn't enjoyable. It just has more glitches, and collision detection issues. I own all three. The GameCube it the best, but the Xbox version is a very close second.
+Talal Shumais I never played or owned the ps2 version but the GameCube version is 10x better.
The PC version anyone?
This is my all time favorite Sonic game, but I do know its flaws. Casino Park and Bingo Highway have great themes, but Jesus Christ the pinball portions are HELLISH. I actually LOVE Rail Canyon though. The special stages? All I have to say is this: once you get all the Chaos Emeralds, NEVER GO BACK! It is GRUELING! There are other things that I do agree with already covered in the video, but other than that, I still enjoy Heroes better than Adventure 1 and 2
Agreed. This is still my favorite Sonic game, despite the flaws, which were the same as yours. I honestly like going back to this game more, even though I think SA1 did a better job.
fuck that, Sonic adventure 1 is the best
Looks like we have an angry fanboy!
Me too!
Look who's talking! XD
Okay, I learned apparently I'm the only person in the world who doesn't mind the PS2 version of Sonic Heroes.
I never really found any issues with the PS2 version, except those special stages still haven't beaten this game because of how bullshit they are.
i dont mind it either
I own the PS2 version, and it was fun when I first played it. But it got old after a while because I moved to Sonic Riders. I'm only 15, yet I soon realized the game was too bugged and generally not very fun on the PS2.
1) The camera is a piece of crap.
2) The collisions and movement had me slam into corners and walls far too often.
3) The cannon mechanic was cool, except some cannons would not launch me towards an area of progression. This made me very mad.
4) Load times were annoyingly long as well.
5) Personally, I could only beat Team Rose as a kid because the game was not good at showing me where it wants me to go when avoiding the rising energy escape levels on teams Dark and Sonic, and Chaotix was too boring and tedious to stay interested.
6) The game has aged very poorly (on the PS2) because of its bugs and glitches and awful camera and cannon mechanic.
The Gabenuel i never had most of these problems my load times are about 5 seconds though i can agree with the first 2 it never stopped me from playing the game i actually played it 2 days ago and i noticed i had 29 hours in that game lol
Raiden2421 Haha, nice! Like I said, I enjoyed it when i was younger. But going back to it today is almost personal torture. We just had different luck.
Seeing Big the Cat do a flawless continuous summersalt again was all I needed
18:02 how i feel about these special stages
I agree with you. The repetition and the fact that this game's controls are...well, basically total ASS...really messes up the fun factor. I still haven't finished this game, and I've had it for about 7-8 years. Those damn special stages must have been designed by Satan...or a vengeful Alex Kid.
i love the concept of a pissed off alex kid spitefully posessing iizuka to do the shit he's done over the past however long it's been since he took centrestage
Game controls fine. Git gud.
holy shit this video hit 1 million views just goes to show how good john's reviews are :)
Wahey! It's thanks to him I decided to try Arkham Asylum and City. MONEY WELL SPENT!
My only complaint for this game is Flight formation. I should be able to control Tails/Cream/Rouge/Charmy solo on the ground, be a bit faster and use their solo attacks, while retaining the standard flight formation and thunder shoot while on air.
Yeah, its a bit jarring, I was playing Team Sonic and I had Knuckles and Sonic on switches so I was able to control Tails solo. It felt right, like I wanted to have that option all the time.
16:43 I remember getting well over 20 gameovers on this part of the stage as a kid just because the homing attack wouldn't work a lot of the times and the camera was terrible.
This is still my third favorite Sonic game, and I found a lot of the issues he had with it easily surmountable. Also I like the Sonic and Dark stages best because of their length. It’s more time I get to spend in the level. The Special Stage controls do suck, though.
Tails: I'M FALLING!
Me: YOU CAN FLY
"I'M FALLING!"
Me: hmmmmm, yes it seems like the floor here is made out of floor
Still a great Christmas gift, right Elliott?
*Elliott flipping Johnny off*
I love you.
My favorite moment.
The Censored Mode was so funny!
Agreed. Hope Johnny will bring it back again in a future review. I would love it if he put it in his Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed review, during the part where he talks about the extremely difficult missions in World Tour, like Traffic Attack, or some levels, like Chilly Castle & Burning Depths. I HATED these race tracks.
Ivan Simpson I hate the unfair expert mode!!
He finally brought it back
GOD F- *BLEEP* ING SH- *BLEEP* . THESE SPECIAL STAGES ARE F *BLEEP* ING HORRIBLE!
@@drmobiandoom They're not that bad.
It would be cool if knuckles was as strong as sonic is fast. Like if everyone elses special skill was as insane as sonics speed so then they actually feel like they matter to the game.
Well, Thats a Load off my back.
6:19 Savage Omega
21:13 Thanks, TheDarknessTheCurse! Now I can never see Big in Sonic Heroes without imagining a Big-Knuckles Shipping XD
I loved this game back in the day. The controls never bothered me. The cheap deaths did but I was able to look past them and still have fun. I would even say it's as great as the classic games which I played years before. For me this and the first three games will always be some of the greatest games of my childhood.
She wants to physically assault Sonic, just so he can marry her?
(close up on Amy’s face)
Ah!
That part's funny
Anyone else kinda excited to see this video get to a million views?
I was just waiting for you to talk about the special stages. Man as a kid I used to hate these stages and we're never able to get all 7 Chaos Emeralds.
happy 20th anniversary sonic heroes!!! :3
i really love this game to me it had a style i actually like way more than sa2 with having one enjoyable structure(even though it's loose i didn't have nearly as much trouble with the gameplay as johnny who goes too fast,only felt team dark/the haunted levels of the chaotix length actually dragged and the adventure games had pacing issues as well,loved playing as the power characters so much for their attack range though agree hated the special stages and wish they'd either make them actual stages, find them like the game gear games or a reward for beating the story like generations.) and dialing the tone back while still having fun ties to the previous games. (like metal sonic's transformation and stealing chocola tying to the chao's connection to chaos/being the closest in game till frontiers to showing chaos origin as a mutated chao.)
and also having many other things i loved like shadow(this,prime and 06 are my favorite depictions of him with how straightforward but snarky and somewhat suave he is with rouge, david humphrey should voice him again as i liked the charm he gave shadow.),the presentation(outside having the worst voice of tails liked the voices especially knuckles being laid back which i wish they went with instead of being a short tempered gullible hot headed fool.),metal sonic(outside the ova the most fleshed out i think he's felt with him knowing he's a copy of sonic but thinking he can surpass him.wish the games did something with omega and shadow having him at the end instead of shadow the hedgehog.)
omega(love his first voice and wish it could be replicated as he's my favorite team dark member.),making amy(after being a rough draft in adventure 1 and being pointless storywise outside an extremely hokey moment/multiplayer in 2 i liked how they followed up on amy's snappy,sarcastic but headstrong go getter attitude that i'm extremely glad boom/the comics and recent brought back.) /big the cat badass(liked his friendship with amy and big brother nature to cream holding her while she's scared of metal sonic's transformation along with being more likable character wise as i don't think he's a bad character.),team chaotix(have a huge love of these guys and their theme song is awesome.),the levels(my favorite being outside the control the casino levels being a city turned into a vegas pinball and egg fleet/final fortress being an air fleet in the middle of a dark as night storm with lightning constantly flashing in the cutscenes that's still my favorite airship level in sonic.) and the other playable characters(sonic games seriously need to do this again.:3) carrying the feel of the classic games in the modern era.
guess not many people know that mashing w/ Omega reduces his sliding
Really?
Really!
supernitendex7 There's a lot of control quirks that really alleviate issues people may have. I can't say it means it's perfect but the control really is something you can get used to with few problems.
I hear the Gamecube version is the best.
or PC
They have less load times.
Evan Peskoff that’s the version I have. The same can be said about Shadow the Hedgehog.
Nintendoes and PS2 don't
It is.
sonic heroes was the 1st sonic game i ever played and even one of the 1st games i ever played so i have a lot of nostalgia for it
4:32 Insert Sailor Moon transformation theme here
Big didn't lose Froggy, Metal Sonic kidnapped him.
completing Sonic heroes 4 times wasn't that much of a problem for me
+Brandon Cooper It's not all that repetitive the 4 teams are there for replayability and it's far better than Shadow the hedgehog
+William White The characters all play the same and suffer the same issues, like the speed controls for every speed character. I would love this game much better, if it was just Team Sonic only.
Then the game would be too short
William White
Well seeing how Team Sonic levels are long enough as it is, the game would be long enough for a Sonic game. The fact that the game needs to be as long as it was, is proof of padding.
They could again just have Team Sonic or at the very least, make all the Teams just optional and not have to do the other teams to beat the game. I didn't need to play as Tails or Knuckles in Sonic 3 And Knuckles to fully complete, so why do i need to do it here?
You're right
14:24 - While Sonic Heroes contains levels that I absolutely love, it also has a share of stages that I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT F*CKING STAND FOR THE LIFE OF ME!
I forgot how much i liked this review. Definitely worth the rewatch!
10:02 You can actually press the team blast button to restore the flow of time, should you find yourself stuck
5:19 You KNOW you're taking too fucking long when Sonic '06 is ready before you are.
"FROOOGGGGYYY!" and Caddy's scream of terror in his review is freaking hilarious.
Was originally going to be Sonic Adventure 3 but the team changed the name to Sonic Heroes in a bid to attract new fans to the game franchise.
There was originally going to be an "F" rank, but ended up getting cut out of the final game
While playing as Shadow or Omega, if you use the first-person camera to look at Rouge, she will occasionally turn her head and wink at you.
"WANT SUM MOAR?"
I actually wouldn’t mind to see a Xbox and ps4 port for this game but they fix the control and frame rate
Wait, wait... the subtitles at 19:22 say "It'll halfta wait!"... HALFTA? WHAT THE HOLY HELL LANGUAGE IS HALFTA? ARE YOU SERIOUS WITH THAT?