S.S .A you had to think of the times this was the 60's people were not worried about such crimes happening especially in such a secluded place. The Manson murder are often considered the one event which put a definitive end to the 60's.
@@a916LEX so very true. There were so many actors, actresses people in different aspects of the business that lived all over the place Beverly Hills. As well as other places. In the 1960s even though I was a child I know that it was a different time and the era and nobody or almost nobody had security the way they have it today.
Always had an image in my head of what these places looked like from reading the books and seeing crime scene photos, but its fascinating to see it all come together like this. thank you
Maybe one day someone with enough wherewithal will buy that property, demolish the mansion, and reconstruct the original house. Bet the neighbors would love that.
He was 8 months so he WAS a life sniffed out by those demons. They say that it was 7 murder victims throughout the 2 days of the Tate-LaBianca murders. They NEVER mention the EIGHTH VICTIM of those horrors, the unborn baby Tate was carrying. Sad because at 8 months; he was living EVEN in her womb. SMDH this world.
Guy who demolished the house is a fool, would have been worth alot more as it was than how it is now - doesn’t matter what features he adds. History is worth more
Not to mention the even older Hollywood history of the house. Michele Morgan had the house built and it fit the style of those hills way better than the monstrosity that’s there now.
Some people hated association of Tate murders wanted it gone. That property has million dollar views. La is famous for destroying old properties land putting up huge houses. There is almost no sense of historical lineage of properties there.
OMG, I just asked you a bunch of questions on another video you did about Charles Manson and the others who did the Tate and labianca murders. I asked you about Cielo Drive off of Benedict Canyon Drive. You answered my questions on this one. By the way you did a great job using the Google Earth and explaining everything. I thought they came from the valley. That's why I thought they made a right on Cielo Drive. But it would be a left coming where they were from. This just gave me chills. I told you I was a child time when this all happened. I happened to live on the corner of Benedict Canyon Drive and Portola Drive where you told the rest of the story. I lived at 2200 Benedict Canyon Drive just right on the corner of Portola and Benedict Canyon Drive. Wow, how close to home was that? Again you did a really good job of explaining everything. I lived at that house till I was 17 years old. Like I said I just heard about it at the time. It was too much to process in a child's head. I know I sound like I'm jumping from one thing to another which I am. Today's the first time I actually heard the most I've ever known about it. Never saw anything on any movie are any book on this subject. I actually accidentally stumbled upon your RUclips channel looking at something else. Well enough of my boring story. Thank you so much for putting the facts into place for me. No drama just what I would want to see. You are pretty amazing at doing what you do in such a short amount of time. I wish I could give the same. I'm all over the place. Please forgive my grammar everyone I will see things Google speech to text.
Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris became friends with Sharon while they worked on her last movie The Wrecking Crew. How sweet would it have been to have those 2 martial arts legends be there to greet the Manson punks as they broke into the residence?
An amateur ( abet high on drugs)with a gun against a karate world champion with a warrior mindset? I'd say the odds would be more than even. The gun was only a 22 and I think he only had 2 bullets left.
There were a lot of miles & minutes in between the ranch and the Tate home. Many, many minutes that someone could've said "WTH are we about to do? Let's NOT do this" Sad that none of them were human enough to stop the bloodshed.
They were brainwashed by Charlie into thinking they were doing capitalist pigs a favor by killing them. Charlie justified it in part with the Beatles song "Piggies" -- "in their starched white shirts [the rich] what they needs a darn good whacking." Harrison felt so bad about the use of his lyric that he refused to allow Bugliosi to quote it in his book. Susan Atkins told her fellow jail inmate that it took a "lot of love" to kill Tate. That's how a killer rationalizes something evil. That inmate told the DA and it blew open the case.
@@DexterHaven "Capitalist pigs"? Isn't it just a little ironic that the victims were "Capitalist pigs" because they made it in Hollywood..something that Charlie wanted soooo bad that he was willing to kill innocent people (that had NOTHING to do with him being a scumbag and not being able to sing a lick). I guess he REALLY wanted to be a "Capitalist Pig", huh?!
Yeah, good point. ENVY of the successful. That leads to rage, violence, death, mass killings. It plays out before out eyes over and over in Venezuela, Cuba, and Soviet Union. But the media ignores it, since they are envious too or are guilty-rich liberals, scared of bums. @@jereandco
This one really means something to me. As a kid and being related to Abigail Folger, I still remember the shock and horror witnessed in my family over this. It really makes it more real for me.
The guy whose house they stopped at to rinse off the blood turned out to be an important witness because he wrote down and then memorized the license plates to the car. See the book Helter Skelter.
I'm really surprised that guy didn't connect the dots and think that they were involved in the murders after surely hearing about them the next day.... I don't recall that he contacted police soon after?
Excellent production, Forrest. I read Helter Skelter when I was 16 (1976). In 1977 Vincent Bugliosi came to a college in my hometown (Tacoma, Wa) and spoke. I attended and was able to get his autograph afterwards. In 1980 while serving in the Air Force in California I had an opportunity to drive up to the gate of 10050 Cielo Dr. In 1984 I went to work for the California Dept of Corrections and ended up have a brief conversation with Charles Manson in 1996 while he was housed at Corcoran PHU. My next trip to L.A. I will have to drive out to Spann Ranch.
What a great video. 'Helter Skelter' was the first non-fiction true-crime book I ever read, way back when I was 9 years-old. This Google map guided tour taken by the killers that evening provides a fascinating layer of context to the incident that you simply don't ever see in any coverage of this case. I see you have other similar videos... Looking forward to them!
I’ve been fascinated with this case since growing up in the ‘60’s in Sylmar (Not far from the Roxford St Chevron where Rosemary LaBianca’s wallet was put inside a toilet) and hiked in the Chatsworth hills above the train tunnel, seeing people riding rental horses from Spahn Ranch. In ‘76, after reading ‘Helter Skelter” by Vince Bugliosi, I took my girlfriend and two friends in my just-bought ‘68 Mustang to the Cielo house late one Sunday night. After wandering up and down Benedict Canyon, I pulled over and a Jaguar pulled up beside me, rolled his window down and asked, “You looking for ‘The Place’?” Embarrassed, I admitted, “Yes” to which he exasperatedly replied, “Follow me!” And led us to the gate. An absolutely surreal night. I unfortunately share Manson’s birthday too.....November 12th!
I remember this like it was yesterday, I was sitting on the end of my bed watching it on TV, shocked and horrified to know that anyone could be so terribly cruel as those murderers were. Well, Manson is dead now, thank goodness, and we hope the others are NEVER allowed out on patrol, doesn't matter how long it is. How anyone could stab beautiful Sharon in her pregnant belly like that still astounds me. I will NEVER understand how someone could do that, evil or not. And the others who died that night also, just horrible that those innocent lives were taken from them. (No sympathy at all for those killers, never will have.)
Vianey Frias I’m happy you enjoyed it! I used Google Earth to research places I wanted to go when I realized I could use Google Earth to make the video.
@@justinclayton5149 yea that idiot who pretended like he didnt know it was the murder house even though he took the door that had pig written on it as a souvenir and called the studio in it le pig or some horseshit like that. He's up his own arse.
M.O'Riley I think it was right that it was demolished. Could you imagine living in that house with everything the same as it was back in 1969? Same Carpet and everything? It’d be fucking horrible. No matter how much that place was cleaned, just knowing what happened in that house would be utterly horrific to think about daily.
I also heard that they stopped at a Mobil station on Beverly Glen and Ventura Blvd to finish cleaning up before returning to Spann Ranch. Coincidentally, that is the same gas station that was where James Dean was last photographed on Sept 30, 1955.
Cowinkydinks...The La Bianca murders occurred in the former home of Walt Disney, 3301 Waverly Drive. Leno bought the property in 1940 They were murdered the day after the Haunted Mansion opened in Disneyland. 9 August 1969.
Actually, it was the next night after the LaBianca murders where they stopped at the gas station. That is where Rosemary LaBianacas wallet was put in the toilet tank where Charlie wanted a black person to find it being it is a predominately black neighborhood, in hopes they would use the credit cards and be blamed thus helping his nonsense theory of Helter Skelter.
@@deanpd3402 This isn't true at all, as much as I would like it to be. Disney built and lived in the house at 4052 Woking Way. That is the home later bought by Leno LaBianca, who sold and moved out of it three months before the Manson murders at 3301 Waverly, which had been LaBianca's parent's former home. The two homes are nearly a mile distant.
Re the guy who came out of his house while they were washing the blood off. It's incredible that they didn't kill him as well. Whew, talk about having an angel on your shoulder!
Ummmm guys...you need to learn the story....kill the guy that came out of the house? you say? With what? Watson had already thrown the broken gun out of the window of the car and one of the knives the killers lost at the murder scene. They wanted to go back and get it but Tex overruled the girls. No weapons to kill with at the time.
I have been fascinated by the Tate/LaBianca murders since 1974 when I read Helter Skelter. Over the years I’ve revisited and read what I could. I thought I knew quite a bit until OUATIH came out, and there is a resurgence both in my interest and details about this story. I am amazed at how much I didn’t know, including information contained in this video. Thanks for uploading.
Susan Knight Me too. I remember the Cielo Drive murders making headlines when I was eleven. It scared me to death and I live in the U.K. I can’t bear to think of the terror they and the La Biancas must have felt.
Fizza O Yes! Horrific. When I say I am fascinated, it is not in a sensational way. It is more the study of humanity; how people could be pushed mentally to perform such heinous acts.
Few know that Manson and 2 others drove back up to Tate house early August 9th before sunrise. Possibly to retrieve items left there, clean up any direct mistakes, they also moved bodies around, shifted several pieces of furniture..
Fun fact: before going back to Chatsworth they refilled at the same gas station at which James Dean took his last photo, on the corner of Ventura and Beverly Glen.
@@MariusHelleMC Well...Did you hear the story the famous actor ,Alex Guinness told about James Dean? He and his friends ate a meal with Dean at a restaurant where Dean showed his new car to him . It had a bouquet of red roses tied to it. Alex said something odd came over him and he asked Dean if he had been in it yet. Dean said no. Alex warned him as he was looking down at his watch ....It is now 10 :00 pm Thursday.....If you get in that car ...sit in it...you will be dead by next Thursday at 10:00 pm. Dean laughed it off .By the next Thursday at 2:00 pm.....he was dead. Alex thought he was a gifted young man and said he had wished he could of had the chance to get to know him.
Great video !This subject has fascinated me for more than 50 years. I was 14 when the killings happened. A couple of years later, my mother and I drove up to Cielo drive and found the gate blocking the driveway leading up to the murder house. What we saw was the same as a photo in Vincent Bugliosi's book Helter Skelter.
What’s freaky is that I hung out with the ex girlfriend of Jay Sebring (she lived with him before he met Tate) in 1987 and she was also a prime suspect in the murder trial. She was at the Tate funeral and I also identified her from the video of the funeral. She was with Richard Sylbert (they were both friends with Polanski) when I met her while they made a movie in Vancouver. I worked a video store across from their hotel and she would come in and rent movies. I ended up going to see films with her and she also introduced me to Jill St. John who was also filming a movie in town. I was so oblivious I didn’t even know Sylbert’s credentials in Hollywood. I made them sushi at their hotel, discussed cinema techniques of Scorsese, and she took photos of me on their balcony, saying I should get in the movie business. I had no clue about any of this ‘Manson connection’ at the time and only found out this week after she posted details about her connection to Sebring on Facebook.
@@billthompson6442 I agree....But I didn't think of it as "cursed". Just from my own experience and watching what has happened to neighbors over the years....I think people have more energy or energy that lingers after they are gone then people realize. When people shop for a home ...they sometimes are drawn to one not understanding quite why they like it or are uncomfortable being in it and want to leave . They can't put their finger on why ....just that it doesn't feel right. The home I bought ...I loved the garden but as soon as I walked in the front door....I felt I belonged there....even though something felt very sad . I didn't know at the time that ...4 different previous owners had all been painters. I'm a painter. I locked myself out the first week I lived there and didn't know what I was going to do for a minute . Then I had a thought that I followed up on...I walked around to the side of the house , near a vent pipe and started digging with a shovel from the shed. About 6 inches down I hit a lid. It was an old rusty jar with a key in it. It opened the front door. There had been no sign something was buried there.....I just had a feeling that was strong to go there. That key could have been buried in a lot of places around the cottage but I stopped there. You may call it intuition whatever ...I call it energy and intuition. The neighbors said months later they thought I was the previous owner's daughter because I looked like her and dressed like her .She died on the property , alone crying for help and no one came to help her. The neighbors said they heard her but assumed someone came to her aid. She was found deceased in the backyard by a relative visiting. There are many times I can recall of the same type of people drawn to the same house and moving in...... It's not the house... The World is full of distractions and the Human spirit is trying to filter those distractions , sometimes overloading or bombarding the senses or their instincts . The results can be good or bad. It seems like energy to me. Not everything has to be seen to know it exists. We know that.....some know it....feel it more than others and react accordingly .....just my thoughts on it.
lynn craig: What a sacred story about intuitively finding the house key! Cool story. I’m so sorry the previous owner’s cries went unheard. The poor thing.
The owner of the film move his family into the home at 1500 Cielo Drive in December of 1969 because no one wanted to rent it! He also sent Polanski the bill for the cleaning of the rug upon which his unborn child and wife were butchered!
The choosing of the place was premeditated. And it calls my attention how they followed orders because they didn´t kill the man of the house where they cleaned the blood.
I was at the house on August 8, 1993 for the 24 Anniversary. I happened to be with Skrew and Chemlab when they were on tour and they had a show in Hollywood. Trent Reznor and Flood had invited both bands back to their place and gave us the grand tour using the "Helter Skelter" book as a guide. It was FREAKY.
@@forresthaggertychannel4301 I was instructed NOT to take my camera inside the house....besides, a week later, my camera and all my film (developed and undeveloped) was stolen out of my car. They also stole my sunglasses and chewing gum!
@@forresthaggertychannel4301 Just a couple of hours. We probably left about 4:00-5:00 am. He had one of John Lennon's harpsichords in his basement. I made sure that I touched EVERY key!
Seeing these actual locations where the murders threw the clothes and gun and the way every location looks is just the way I pictured in my head reading the novel ''Helter Skelter'' and seeing the 1976 film, amazing how small the Tate residence looked and how close the neighbors were its surprising with all the screaming and gunshots echoing through the quiet canyon that no one came to help or called the police! Such a horrible crime, may all the victims rest in peace!
They made their choice , now they have to live with it. No amount of time will fill the catastrophic hole they created. They don’t deserve anything good to happen to them.!
I read The Beach Boy's Mike Love's book and in it he says that Dennis Wilson picked up the girls hitchhiking one night and let them hang out at his place to have sex. They never left. After awhile the girls brought Charlie around and he befriended Dennis. Dennis was a whacked out mess at this point. Dennis introduced him to Terry Melcher and they talked about recording some of Charlie's songs he'd written. When Terry realized that the whole idea was whacked and Charlie was a nutcase, Charlie was threatening Terry and Dennis. Dennis just vacated his house and didn't pay the rent. Eventually the landlord threw Charlie and the girls out. According to Mike Love, he and Bruce Johnson were actually invited over one night to meet Charlie over dinner. Charlie tried to use the girls to seduce Mike and Bruce into an orgy. Mike said he could tell right away Charlie was a con-man and a whacko , so he and Bruce were kinda freaked out by the whole thing and just split. This was like a year before the Tate murders i think
Most of us that have seen the crime scene pics at the Tate residence will never be able to unsee it. It was gruesome, and the thought of the Manson family committing this crime chills me to the core.
For so long I had it in my mind that it was an isolated estate up in the Hollywood hills. It wasn’t until the last few years that I realized just how close the neighbors actually were. That is very fascinating. If only one of the victims could have gotten to one of the other houses. Or if Linda would have done the right thing and gone for help. But these scenarios likely could have led to more victims. Sadly there are just too many what if’s with this horrendous case.
@@forresthaggertychannel4301 Thank you.I am related to Abigail through the geneology of my father.My dad's brother,my uncle is our family geneologist and was doing some research on the Bailey side of our family and found that Benjiman Franklin's mothers maiden name was Folger.Her full name being Abia Folger Franklin.So Abias niece Susan Folger married into the Bailey side of our family.So my uncle wondering if any of the Folgers were still alive was sadly led to the story of Abigail's tragic death.So long story short we never got to meet her.
I remember reading “Helter Skelter” when it came out in paperback. Scared me to death. Especially when I found out that Manson was born in my hometown. He got married and fathered a son. I understand that they have changed their names.
I read it as a child. The part I found scary was one of them mentioning they would go through people's homes while everyone was asleep. Moving things around with knives in their mouths. Imagine what would have happened if someone had woke up.
Thanks ,very interesting ,I always wanted to see the area. 50 years later it still haunts me,I remember being afraid of someone coming inside our house and killing the family,I was 12.and a fan of Sharon Tate.
Quite some commentary, location accuracy from birds eye view and Hollywood history knowledge. Thanks for the info. Curious if you've done this for other infamous murders? If so ever considered doing one on the Cunanan chain of murders that ended with Gianni Versace?
My dad remodeled the Tate home after the murders and he said it was super creepy. He was told at the time if he discussed with anyone that he was remodeling the home he would be fired. The property owner had the guest house relocated from behind the original home to the front of the property . He did take my mom up to the house and let her go inside. She said that all of the bloody carpet was rolled up and placed in one of the bedrooms. She also said she saw the beam in the living room with the rope burns in it from where Sharon and Jay were hung. The murders happened on 8/9/69 and my sister was born on 8/9/72 kinda weird.
Took this drive over a decade ago. There was a chain link fence blocking the little road leading up to the house because they were probably doing construction at the time. It was getting dark, & there weren't any street lights, so you could really imagine what that trip up there was like for the Manson clan... Creepy drive.
I've been to this property and I've made the trip up this road. Jeff Franklin, producer of Full House and Family Matters bought the old estate and rebuilt on the ground and I built the pool. Beautiful views of the city.
@@forresthaggertychannel4301 I don't know where the original pool was or even how the original house was set. I came after demolition and construction of the new compound started. Why? That's a strange question.
This is another crime scene that fascinates me. Helter Skelter is a great book! I actually had a brief encounter with Vincent Bugliosi in late 1999 or early 2000 in S. Pasadena. He walked into the small packing/shipping business where I worked at the time, saying he wanted to ship a pair of eyeglasses to somebody.
That guy was a piece of shit. Using the murders for his own notoriety & giving Kaspian immunity when she was clearly, clearly an accessory to murder on both nights. If you watch the Larry King interview from 09' you'll see him answering Linda's questions for her as he's fucking petrified as to what she might say.
Thanks for the information! You are right about the pole. I have seen in many videos people think it is the originaly remaning pole on property since that time.
L B J your welcome! It bothered me when I would see videos with wrong information, so I decided to do one with correct information about this unfortunate incident.
Therese Ember do da do doo do da do doo..... that was the twilight zone theme by the way... just thought I'd mention that, what with the copywrite laws being what they are an all
Trent Reznor from Nine Inch Nails rented the Tate house in the 1990's and filmed the music video for 'Give Up' in the house.There are also home movies of Trent's on RUclips showing around the property.Trent had a recording studio in the main room Sharon was murdered,the mixing console was put right were her body was found.
The adult victims of the atrocious and senseless crime would be in their 70s and 80s by now and that poor baby boy would be celebrating his 50th birthday later this month. I watched this video a few months ago before "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" and after seeing the movie, I wish the events of the film had really happened that night!
Great research..I had no idea they travelled down my 'hood on Beverly Glen returning to the Spahn Ranch. How fortuitous the kid found the gun in his family's back yard---it could have easily been entangled on a tree branch for decades!
I was reading the wikipedia about the Nine Inch Nails album "The Downward Spiral" and it said Trent Reznor bought the house and recorded the album in the house. After the album was finished, the house was demolished. So creepy.
I was tripping out a few days ago when I found out they filmed the music video for "Gave up" in the house. Looked it up and indeed it was... soo creepy seeing the band jamming out with Marilyn MANSON (ironically) in the house living room and the shots of the pool area and front lawn. eerie!
The old house looked much better. Another stupid producer living above his means. Yeah the old house is more beautiful. All it needed was remodeled and not demolished.
The old house looked better yes, but I doubt that many people would want to live in the house where 5 people (including a pregnant lady) were brutally murdered. If I had the producer's money I would have done the same. Saying that, I probably wouldn't consider moving to that piece of land in the first place.
Let's have people come to your address where a famous murder took place even trespassing on your property for years and see if you don't do the same.The person who purchased OJ Simpsons Rockingham Dr home also did the same.
@@martinishot the old house looked and had more taste! That's what security is for, and lots of homes have had murders committed there and people don't tear them down.
@@aprilswk6999 yep that's what he always said. He said he had headphones on listening to music, writing letters. Yet the lights were on. I heard one of the girls went to check the guest house but heard the dog barking and told Tex nobody was there. Someone else who dodge death.
Allegedly Steve McQueen had a "Great Escape". He was due to be there but was way led by a woman. Apparently he had punched Manson in the face a couple of months earlier over a script, and put on the hit list.
Just amazing, how you do these videos and Google Earth. I do it when I’m trying to find different businesses that I want to apply to, but you take it to the next level. Awesome work my friend.
Amazing job recreating this. I saw Once Upon a Time in Hollywood last night and your video showed me what a great job they also did recreating Cielo Drive
Very good video. Interestingly you used to be able to go up the street on Google Street View and go right to where the new gate is at the property a few years ago, someone must of asked Google to remove the street from its Street View, I suppose because of it infamy.
shellsbignumber2 I didn’t know that, but certain you are correct that someone with fame and fortune said something to Google and they had it removed. I’m curious to know who it was.
I wish we could find the man who tried to take the keys from Tex Watson.He could of got himself murdered that night.He probably spooked about the whole thing knowing who he was dealing with yikes
I just found your channel, it’s very interesting. I’m pretty fascinated with this case,have been for years. My birthday is August 13th 1969. Hard to believe that Sharons son would be around my age.
Ive been fascinated by the Manson story for a long time, im from Uk. This was a wonderful presentation, I always try to put myself there and this really helped me visualise. Just to understand what part of human psychology could push humans to act in such a way. Thank you for this video, can I ask you? Have you seen the JRE podcast with Tom oneill?
10:10 What a dumb way to dispose of a murder weapon in hindsight. He could have buried it a foot deep in any remote, vacant area along the roadside. That gun was a key piece of evidence in trial.
Obviously these crackheads have a IQ of 0 to act so inhumane and foolishly without thinking of the consequences. They were probably high on drugs or something and didn't think of it
@Spermwhale1000 Yes thank you Mr. Spermwhale. Big news here in Australia all over the TV and newspapers. So is that Canada stuff with the 2 fugitives found dead which we are all very suspicious about...
Great work on this piece of history. These videos are fascinating. I like all the little details added, like where the pistol and clothes were tossed. And stopping to use an outside faucet at somebody's house. I stumbled across your James Dean video a few days ago and now I'm hooked.
DISPITE the house's horrific background,it WAS a beautiful home, I wish it was there to this day, instead of the ugly monstrosity that unfortunately now takes the lands place.
An 11 year old finds the murder weapon. Wow. I've never heard of that before. And NONE of these people felt guilty. That is a point that MUST be remembered, high or not these murderers SHOULD NEVER BE RELEASED. It takes evil to do this
I read Helter Skelter six years ago and tried a little google earthing myself on these locations but I wish this video was available then. Really good information here. Thanks.
Good point. I forgot they still had the gun in the car then. They have have been out of bullets, though. But if he was going to prevent them all from driving back to Charlie that night, perhaps Tex would know what Charlie would want him to do. ;) @@forresthaggertychannel4301
It always amazes me how those idiots could find the house. We did the walk in 1984 on an August night, and the only sounds we could hear were the sounds of crickets. Every time I hear crickets, I think of that gate.
August 8, 1969 was my fourth Birthday. I'm 54 now, but I can still remember my sister telling me on the sidewalk outside our apartment, "If somebody asks you how old you are today, hold up these four fingers and leave your thumb down." Who would've ever thought that such a beautiful actress would be murdered on that day?
Thoughts: They seemed pretty focused on their “mission” and where to go. They knew which phone lines to cut... Tex seemed to remember where he parked, where he backed-up, where they went for water, remembered that confrontation with the home owner... All the while supposedly under a spell and high on drugs. Also curious as to why they did not kill the water-hose home owner. They just murdered 5 people and this witness is just pushed away. Very thought invoking presentation sir. Thank you.
Probably in a panic to rid themselves of evidence. Shooting this guy would have alerted neighbors, who would have called police. Given what they had done and rushing back to the ranch, they wanted to get the hell out of there fast.
they claimed that they werent high that night, Manson wanted them to be totally aware of their actions. But whos to say whats the truth, seems unlikely that they wouldnt be high
@brian me quite possibly, also he had been to the house before and seen Sharon. He knew she stayed there. I think he also thought that Terri Meltcher still lived there if I'm not mistaken
@brian me you should read Susan Atkins book. She has a very interesting take on the whole motive thing and what she believes was going down. She does paint herself as a complete saint though but it's still a very interesting read
Fantastic job! I drove up there about 10 years ago and you read that it is a very desirable area where movie stars and other wealthy people live but I disliked it very much. You are correct in describing how steep the road is. One side of your home would be a cliff and the other side a wall of dirt with a strip of "lawn" carved out of it and an almost vertical drive to reach it. I got claustrophobic and height sensitive at the same time. To each his own, though. You did a first rate job here.
@Wendy Jones the same reasons why you didn't like it is exactly why famous people like living there. It is private, away from peering eyes of the public, a cliff for a back yard so that people cant be peering into their private lives looking over fences to see what they are doing. Private streets so that lookie-loos and fans cant be driving up and down their streets bothering them all of the time. etc.
I understand the desire for privacy but it didn't keep the Manson Family from peering in and prying. Not to be nasty here. I just wouldn't want to live there personally. I like more space around me rather than a dangerous cliff on one side and a wall of earth on the other. It's a personal preference. If I were famous and wanted privacy, I would go a route that was more along the lines of a gated community, I suppose - maybe a ranch in the middle of nowhere with security cameras extending far out from the home. To each his own.
@@wendyjones6077 They didnt peer in and pry, they did have a security gate for the property so that people couldn't just peer in whenever they felt like it and the house was located on a private road. Do you understand just how it is a private road? It is a narrow one lane private road with only a few houses on it and you almost need to back all the way down in reverse just to get out of there because there is so little room that it is almost impossible to turn around if you have to go back down unless you live there. Even if they had lived in a gated community where there was a guard out front, they could/would have still been able to get to those people. They would have just hopped the fence. They would have had to hop the fence to get to Tate and the others as it was since they did have a security gate anyway. You are also forgetting the type of view that those homes have of the city and you are also forgetting the type of traffic that is there. So sure if you want to get some type of ranch if you are famous, then by all means go ahead and drive 2 hours to a studio with traffic, or drive 20 minutes to get to where you are auditioning or shooting something with a closer house like this one to the major studios. My guess is that you would grow tired of that real quickly driving 2 hours each way from your ranch house and LA traffic is the WORST>
@@wendyjones6077 I didnt say that, I was just letting you know as to the "why" famous people actually live closer to the studios, and tv stations and to where they work because traffic in LA is terrible. You can live in your fantasy world where you "think" that if you were famous that you are going to live a 2 hour one way drive away from Hollywood and you are going to drive in that traffic daily to go on auditions or go to work on some TV show. But we both know you wouldnt spend 4 hours a day driving round trip in that mess. Even if you had a driver you wouldnt do it. Lets not kid ourselves.
Wow, that resident who approached them and tried to take the keys out of the car sure was lucky and obviously had no idea who they were. He easily could have been killed himself.
The house itself was beautiful looking. But could you imagine living in that house with the same carpet and everything? It’d be horrible to think about and remember daily. I think it was right to knock it down but maybe they should’ve tried to rebuild the house exactly but with some changes like getting rid of the part of the ceiling where the rope was thrown over.
What a cool concept for a channel! I'm really impressed with your knowledge of the subject and your presentation. I look forward to seeing your treatment of other historical events.
I had a chuckle about the perhaps 12% grade and couldn't be ridden on a bicycle as it is so steep. Cielo Drive has nothing on Winthrop and Eggelston streets Torrington, Conn. I ride those to work... (should say WALK...) It is 15% or more grade and one can barely walk a bike up it, never mind RIDE. Ones ankles KILL after such exercise. (oh, and P.S.) it's absolutely terrifying riding back down.... This was just an aside. I know your point wasn't the steepness of a road. I saw 'Once Upon A Time in Hollywood'. Fascinating story, interesting ending. Thank you VERY much for presenting this video.
That road that you went up across from the private drive. That is a former estate of Rudolph Valentino. I found your videos just this last week. I really enjoy them, please make more. LOL Happy Easter!
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Anyone here after watching once upon a time in Hollywood
Super film. I loved it (also lived through the true murders)......Great final scene, cathartic.
Michael Stephan yo
Cliff hauled ass down that driveway with the tunes blasting!!!!!
нαςκεямαη You’re shallow. Best movie ever. Beautiful happy ending.
It was his worst film ..the storyline sucks in the movie ..if saw the trailer you have already seen the movie
The horror those people went through, you can't imagine it even in your worst nightmare
BassGirlSusan I agree, especially for Sharon who had to wait and listen while all the others were killed before her.
I believe she was restrained by a rope and had no means of escape. No wonder people have never forgotten after almost 50 years
Manson was in the desert minding his business. You just a snowflake. Get a job and u won't be mad at the world
S.S .A you had to think of the times this was the 60's people were not worried about such crimes happening especially in such a secluded place. The Manson murder are often considered the one event which put a definitive end to the 60's.
@@a916LEX so very true. There were so many actors, actresses people in different aspects of the business that lived all over the place Beverly Hills. As well as other places. In the 1960s even though I was a child I know that it was a different time and the era and nobody or almost nobody had security the way they have it today.
Im really impressed with your knowledge of the area. This is the most thorough explanation I've seen.
simulatedbass I’m happy you enjoyed it!
Me too! Forrest Haggerty, are you from LA?
@@crmay72 yes he said he was born in it in another video... Btw me too😂
It’s called having too much time
Always had an image in my head of what these places looked like from reading the books and seeing crime scene photos, but its fascinating to see it all come together like this. thank you
Lisa Launspach you’re welcome! Thank you for commenting.
Spahn ranch is now a state park area.
Rest In Peace Sharon Marie Tate. (1943-1969)
R.I.P. Sharon( Baby Paul Richard) Jay, Gibby ,Voytek and Steve Parent.. you are NEVER forgotten!
😢💔😢
@THESATURNSSC1 You mean Mr. and Mrs. LaBianca?
hahahaha it happened long long time ago and you say Rest in peace, hahah fool
And Abigail Folger
Wow, the French farmhouse of the original house fit so much more nicely in the canyon. The new one is a monstrosity.
Agreed. Jeff Franklin is a tasteless asshole.
Yeah, the old ranch house was much more homey. But after those murders, its days were numbered, I guess. Too many bad memories to sleep by.
Yeah, coincidental that he produced "Full House" and then built an over-stuffed one.
Maybe one day someone with enough wherewithal will buy that property, demolish the mansion, and reconstruct the original house. Bet the neighbors would love that.
Now that is a killer-idea! Give that man a cigar. @@dougaschenbrenner802
Its so sad sharons son paul would of been 50 now😞 may they rest in peace together X
Nicola Brooke Paul?
@@peggysullivan5396 unborn paul richard polanski
He was 8 months so he WAS a life sniffed out by those demons. They say that it was 7 murder victims throughout the 2 days of the Tate-LaBianca murders. They NEVER mention the EIGHTH VICTIM of those horrors, the unborn baby Tate was carrying. Sad because at 8 months; he was living EVEN in her womb. SMDH this world.
@@peggysullivan5396 you didn't know that???
@@s7s7Joy I hope and pray that they never let the killers out, especially that psycho Tex Watson who I understand carried out most of the murders.
2:45 I recognized that sharp turn straight from Once Upon a time in Hollywood. That’s totally where they filmed it!
it is!
Definitely the same turn.
Will Devine is it but just saying i live by there and there are a lot of sharp turns like this
DAVID Sanchez it’s got the houses, the traffic lights, the stop sign on the road it all lines up
FijiStar Productions obviously i’m just saying that cuz i live on bella dr
Guy who demolished the house is a fool, would have been worth alot more as it was than how it is now - doesn’t matter what features he adds. History is worth more
Not to mention the even older Hollywood history of the house. Michele Morgan had the house built and it fit the style of those hills way better than the monstrosity that’s there now.
Explain that to Sharon's mother
Some people hated association of Tate murders wanted it gone. That property has million dollar views. La is famous for destroying old properties land putting up huge houses. There is almost no sense of historical lineage of properties there.
Would have been an insane air b n b lol.
Trent Reznor is the one who sold it last 😒 🤔
OMG, I just asked you a bunch of questions on another video you did about Charles Manson and the others who did the Tate and labianca murders. I asked you about Cielo Drive off of Benedict Canyon Drive. You answered my questions on this one. By the way you did a great job using the Google Earth and explaining everything. I thought they came from the valley. That's why I thought they made a right on Cielo Drive. But it would be a left coming where they were from. This just gave me chills. I told you I was a child time when this all happened. I happened to live on the corner of Benedict Canyon Drive and Portola Drive where you told the rest of the story. I lived at 2200 Benedict Canyon Drive just right on the corner of Portola and Benedict Canyon Drive. Wow, how close to home was that? Again you did a really good job of explaining everything. I lived at that house till I was 17 years old. Like I said I just heard about it at the time. It was too much to process in a child's head. I know I sound like I'm jumping from one thing to another which I am. Today's the first time I actually heard the most I've ever known about it. Never saw anything on any movie are any book on this subject. I actually accidentally stumbled upon your RUclips channel looking at something else. Well enough of my boring story. Thank you so much for putting the facts into place for me. No drama just what I would want to see. You are pretty amazing at doing what you do in such a short amount of time. I wish I could give the same. I'm all over the place. Please forgive my grammar everyone I will see things Google speech to text.
Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris became friends with Sharon while they worked on her last movie The Wrecking Crew.
How sweet would it have been to have those 2 martial arts legends be there to greet the Manson punks as they
broke into the residence?
Tex had a gun. Two more corpses would have been added to the list.
The thing is that watson had a gun
More dead bodies
An amateur ( abet high on drugs)with a gun against a karate world champion with a warrior mindset? I'd say the odds would be more than even. The gun was only a 22 and I think he only had 2 bullets left.
Nope it held 9 rounds! So it would have 3? Rounds left
There were a lot of miles & minutes in between the ranch and the Tate home. Many, many minutes that someone could've said "WTH are we about to do? Let's NOT do this" Sad that none of them were human enough to stop the bloodshed.
jerelyn scott very true. They were also very high on meth and other drugs.
@@forresthaggertychannel4301 this is true, and yet another reason why hard core illicit drugs are illegal.
They were brainwashed by Charlie into thinking they were doing capitalist pigs a favor by killing them. Charlie justified it in part with the Beatles song "Piggies" -- "in their starched white shirts [the rich] what they needs a darn good whacking." Harrison felt so bad about the use of his lyric that he refused to allow Bugliosi to quote it in his book. Susan Atkins told her fellow jail inmate that it took a "lot of love" to kill Tate. That's how a killer rationalizes something evil. That inmate told the DA and it blew open the case.
@@DexterHaven "Capitalist pigs"? Isn't it just a little ironic that the victims were "Capitalist pigs" because they made it in Hollywood..something that Charlie wanted soooo bad that he was willing to kill innocent people (that had NOTHING to do with him being a scumbag and not being able to sing a lick). I guess he REALLY wanted to be a "Capitalist Pig", huh?!
Yeah, good point. ENVY of the successful. That leads to rage, violence, death, mass killings. It plays out before out eyes over and over in Venezuela, Cuba, and Soviet Union. But the media ignores it, since they are envious too or are guilty-rich liberals, scared of bums. @@jereandco
This one really means something to me. As a kid and being related to Abigail Folger, I still remember the shock and horror witnessed in my family over this. It really makes it more real for me.
Michael Metzger how are you related to her?
@@forresthaggertychannel4301 probably a cousin
Riiiiight. Everyone wants a piece of this case. Pathetic.
The guy whose house they stopped at to rinse off the blood turned out to be an important witness because he wrote down and then memorized the license plates to the car. See the book Helter Skelter.
A book came out last year titled Chaos on this whole 60,s saga.
@1StarProductions glad I’m not the only one who sees Chaos book as just another BS narrative on the case
I'm really surprised that guy didn't connect the dots and think that they were involved in the murders after surely hearing about them the next day.... I don't recall that he contacted police soon after?
@@MeeMee-gz5vp Yeah, Chaos and the writer Tom O'Neill are pure garbage...
I like the old house better.
Claretea so do I.
Excellent production, Forrest. I read Helter Skelter when I was 16 (1976). In 1977 Vincent Bugliosi came to a college in my hometown (Tacoma, Wa) and spoke. I attended and was able to get his autograph afterwards. In 1980 while serving in the Air Force in California I had an opportunity to drive up to the gate of 10050 Cielo Dr. In 1984 I went to work for the California Dept of Corrections and ended up have a brief conversation with Charles Manson in 1996 while he was housed at Corcoran PHU. My next trip to L.A. I will have to drive out to Spann Ranch.
Cool. Not much to see at Spahn these days though!
What a great video. 'Helter Skelter' was the first non-fiction true-crime book I ever read, way back when I was 9 years-old. This Google map guided tour taken by the killers that evening provides a fascinating layer of context to the incident that you simply don't ever see in any coverage of this case. I see you have other similar videos... Looking forward to them!
You read Helter Skelter at NINE years old?? Wow! I was watching The Flintstones.
I’ve been fascinated with this case since growing up in the ‘60’s in Sylmar (Not far from the Roxford St Chevron where Rosemary LaBianca’s wallet was put inside a toilet) and hiked in the Chatsworth hills above the train tunnel, seeing people riding rental horses from Spahn Ranch. In ‘76, after reading ‘Helter Skelter” by Vince Bugliosi, I took my girlfriend and two friends in my just-bought ‘68 Mustang to the Cielo house late one Sunday night. After wandering up and down Benedict Canyon, I pulled over and a Jaguar pulled up beside me, rolled his window down and asked, “You looking for ‘The Place’?” Embarrassed, I admitted, “Yes” to which he exasperatedly replied, “Follow me!” And led us to the gate. An absolutely surreal night. I unfortunately share Manson’s birthday too.....November 12th!
Wow.
I remember this like it was yesterday, I was sitting on the end of my bed watching it on TV, shocked and horrified to know that anyone could be so terribly cruel as those murderers were. Well, Manson is dead now, thank goodness, and we hope the others are NEVER allowed out on patrol, doesn't matter how long it is. How anyone could stab beautiful Sharon in her pregnant belly like that still astounds me. I will NEVER understand how someone could do that, evil or not. And the others who died that night also, just horrible that those innocent lives were taken from them. (No sympathy at all for those killers, never will have.)
I don't think they'll make parole. Great. But they want sympathy.
Tex Watson is a Christian now, I don't buy it. Makes me sick that he got to have children. He must never be let out.
Amazing video! Thank you so much forest for taking the time to map all this out for us enthusiasts . This is fascinating!
enthusiasts ???
@@regmunday8354 was thinking the same thing. a poor and thoughtless choice of words.
Very informative! I really enjoy your videos.
Vianey Frias I’m happy you enjoyed it! I used Google Earth to research places I wanted to go when I realized I could use Google Earth to make the video.
Vianey Frias I
That’s some research. If you aren’t a detective, you are in the wrong line of work! Great job!
What a ghastly mansion that has replaced the old house. It should have never been demolished.
And never been allowed to ruin the homes original beauty,or address
Who would have wanted to move into the original house?
@@bonnieirvin5793 Trent Reznor
@@justinclayton5149 yea that idiot who pretended like he didnt know it was the murder house even though he took the door that had pig written on it as a souvenir and called the studio in it le pig or some horseshit like that. He's up his own arse.
M.O'Riley I think it was right that it was demolished. Could you imagine living in that house with everything the same as it was back in 1969? Same Carpet and everything? It’d be fucking horrible. No matter how much that place was cleaned, just knowing what happened in that house would be utterly horrific to think about daily.
I also heard that they stopped at a Mobil station on Beverly Glen and Ventura Blvd to finish cleaning up before returning to Spann Ranch. Coincidentally, that is the same gas station that was where James Dean was last photographed on Sept 30, 1955.
i thought James Dean was last photographed in the gas station up north right before he died
It is strange that they cleaned themselves before going to the ranch if they could clean there
Cowinkydinks...The La Bianca murders occurred in the former home of Walt Disney, 3301 Waverly Drive. Leno bought the property in 1940 They were murdered the day after the Haunted Mansion opened in Disneyland. 9 August 1969.
Actually, it was the next night after the LaBianca murders where they stopped at the gas station. That is where Rosemary LaBianacas wallet was put in the toilet tank where Charlie wanted a black person to find it being it is a predominately black neighborhood, in hopes they would use the credit cards and be blamed thus helping his nonsense theory of Helter Skelter.
@@deanpd3402 This isn't true at all, as much as I would like it to be. Disney built and lived in the house at 4052 Woking Way. That is the home later bought by Leno LaBianca, who sold and moved out of it three months before the Manson murders at 3301 Waverly, which had been LaBianca's parent's former home. The two homes are nearly a mile distant.
Re the guy who came out of his house while they were washing the blood off. It's incredible that they didn't kill him as well. Whew, talk about having an angel on your shoulder!
indy_go_blue60 Tex Watson said that he didn’t shoot the guy because that was not in Manson’s plans for that night.
indy_go_blue60 It’s pretty stunning, really.
Ummmm guys...you need to learn the story....kill the guy that came out of the house? you say? With what? Watson had already thrown the broken gun out of the window of the car and one of the knives the killers lost at the murder scene. They wanted to go back and get it but Tex overruled the girls. No weapons to kill with at the time.
@@jeffnelson2930, they discarded their clothes and Tex threw the gun out of the car later, not before.
Jaco Wium
AFAIK all the bullets had been fired. Did he carry extra ammo? Had he reloaded?
Might just be the best-described video of a historical factual story I have ever watched. Great job on this video.
walter white
It's easy for charismatic people to brainwash weak-willed people. No supernatural powers needed. Your theory is totally invalid.
Fascinating...I never knew about the incident with the home owner on Potelo drive or any of the other details after the murders.
I have been fascinated by the Tate/LaBianca murders since 1974 when I read Helter Skelter. Over the years I’ve revisited and read what I could. I thought I knew quite a bit until OUATIH came out, and there is a resurgence both in my interest and details about this story. I am amazed at how much I didn’t know, including information contained in this video. Thanks for uploading.
Susan Knight Me too. I remember the Cielo Drive murders making headlines when I was eleven. It scared me to death and I live in the U.K. I can’t bear to think of the terror they and the La Biancas must have felt.
Fizza O Yes! Horrific. When I say I am fascinated, it is not in a sensational way. It is more the study of humanity; how people could be pushed mentally to perform such heinous acts.
Few know that Manson and 2 others drove back up to Tate house early August 9th before sunrise. Possibly to retrieve items left there, clean up any direct mistakes, they also moved bodies around, shifted several pieces of furniture..
Fun fact: before going back to Chatsworth they refilled at the same gas station at which James Dean took his last photo, on the corner of Ventura and Beverly Glen.
Remind me to never stop at that station for a candy bar.😬
@@lynncraig6151 well that shouldn't be necessary, cause that station is torn down :P
@@MariusHelleMC Well...Did you hear the story the famous actor ,Alex Guinness told about James Dean? He and his friends ate a meal with Dean at a restaurant where Dean showed his new car to him . It had a bouquet of red roses tied to it. Alex said something odd came over him and he asked Dean if he had been in it yet. Dean said no. Alex warned him as he was looking down at his watch ....It is now 10 :00 pm Thursday.....If you get in that car ...sit in it...you will be dead by next Thursday at 10:00 pm. Dean laughed it off .By the next Thursday at 2:00 pm.....he was dead. Alex thought he was a gifted young man and said he had wished he could of had the chance to get to know him.
@@lynncraig6151 Alec Guinness
Chad that was the next night after the Labianca murders
Quite the long trip for the freaks to get to their destination. How truly terrifying it must have been for everyone in that house. So sad.
Great video !This subject has fascinated me for more than 50 years. I was 14 when the killings happened. A couple of years later, my mother and I drove up to Cielo drive and found the gate blocking the driveway leading up to the murder house. What we saw was the same as a photo in Vincent Bugliosi's book Helter Skelter.
An excellent accounting of the crime scene locations and their relationships to one another! Thank you!!!
Who is here after seeing Once upon a time in hollywood? Hit like
I intend to see Once Upon a Time. Not getting released here till 15 August.
нαςκεямαη if you hate Charles Manson and his family then you are going to love once upon a time in hollywood I know I do
Dean PD it’s one hell of a movie you will love it if you hate Charles Manson and his family
Stupid as fuck movie. His worst to date.
Saw it this weekend lol.
What’s freaky is that I hung out with the ex girlfriend of Jay Sebring (she lived with him before he met Tate) in 1987 and she was also a prime suspect in the murder trial. She was at the Tate funeral and I also identified her from the video of the funeral. She was with Richard Sylbert (they were both friends with Polanski) when I met her while they made a movie in Vancouver. I worked a video store across from their hotel and she would come in and rent movies. I ended up going to see films with her and she also introduced me to Jill St. John who was also filming a movie in town. I was so oblivious I didn’t even know Sylbert’s credentials in Hollywood. I made them sushi at their hotel, discussed cinema techniques of Scorsese, and she took photos of me on their balcony, saying I should get in the movie business. I had no clue about any of this ‘Manson connection’ at the time and only found out this week after she posted details about her connection to Sebring on Facebook.
RIP, everyone of you. Excellent presentation Bud. Today is Aug. 8! Chills.
I can't imagine wanting to buy that land .I know they ripped the house out but ...still the energy there...has got to be bad.
@@billthompson6442 I agree....But I didn't think of it as "cursed". Just from my own experience and watching what has happened to neighbors over the years....I think people have more energy or energy that lingers after they are gone then people realize. When people shop for a home ...they sometimes are drawn to one not understanding quite why they like it or are uncomfortable being in it and want to leave . They can't put their finger on why ....just that it doesn't feel right. The home I bought ...I loved the garden but as soon as I walked in the front door....I felt I belonged there....even though something felt very sad . I didn't know at the time that ...4 different previous owners had all been painters. I'm a painter. I locked myself out the first week I lived there and didn't know what I was going to do for a minute . Then I had a thought that I followed up on...I walked around to the side of the house , near a vent pipe and started digging with a shovel from the shed. About 6 inches down I hit a lid. It was an old rusty jar with a key in it. It opened the front door. There had been no sign something was buried there.....I just had a feeling that was strong to go there. That key could have been buried in a lot of places around the cottage but I stopped there. You may call it intuition whatever ...I call it energy and intuition. The neighbors said months later they thought I was the previous owner's daughter because I looked like her and dressed like her .She died on the property , alone crying for help and no one came to help her. The neighbors said they heard her but assumed someone came to her aid. She was found deceased in the backyard by a relative visiting. There are many times I can recall of the same type of people drawn to the same house and moving in...... It's not the house... The World is full of distractions and the Human spirit is trying to filter those distractions , sometimes overloading or bombarding the senses or their instincts . The results can be good or bad. It seems like energy to me. Not everything has to be seen to know it exists. We know that.....some know it....feel it more than others and react accordingly .....just my thoughts on it.
lynn craig: What a sacred story about intuitively finding the house key! Cool story. I’m so sorry the previous owner’s cries went unheard. The poor thing.
There's some bad juju up there.
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The owner of the film move his family into the home at 1500 Cielo Drive in December of 1969 because no one wanted to rent it! He also sent Polanski the bill for the cleaning of the rug upon which his unborn child and wife were butchered!
The owner of the home, not film! Sorry!
The choosing of the place was premeditated. And it calls my attention how they followed orders because they didn´t kill the man of the house where they cleaned the blood.
I was at the house on August 8, 1993 for the 24 Anniversary. I happened to be with Skrew and Chemlab when they were on tour and they had a show in Hollywood. Trent Reznor and Flood had invited both bands back to their place and gave us the grand tour using the "Helter Skelter" book as a guide. It was FREAKY.
1santos1 did you happen to take any pictures?
@@forresthaggertychannel4301 I was instructed NOT to take my camera inside the house....besides, a week later, my camera and all my film (developed and undeveloped) was stolen out of my car. They also stole my sunglasses and chewing gum!
1santos1 how much time did you spend in the house?
@@forresthaggertychannel4301 Just a couple of hours. We probably left about 4:00-5:00 am. He had one of John Lennon's harpsichords in his basement. I made sure that I touched EVERY key!
1santos1 I didn’t know the house had a basement. Where was it?
Wow. Absolutely amazing the time and detail you put into this. It is so appreciated. Thank you sincerely.
Seeing these actual locations where the murders threw the clothes and gun and the way every location looks is just the way I pictured in my head reading the novel ''Helter Skelter'' and seeing the 1976 film, amazing how small the Tate residence looked and how close the neighbors were its surprising with all the screaming and gunshots echoing through the quiet canyon that no one came to help or called the police! Such a horrible crime, may all the victims rest in peace!
They made their choice , now they have to live with it. No amount of time will fill the catastrophic hole they created. They don’t deserve anything good to happen to them.!
They just killed Rapist assholes, NEITHER side was good!!!!
I read The Beach Boy's Mike Love's book and in it he says that Dennis Wilson picked up the girls hitchhiking one night and let them hang out at his place to have sex. They never left. After awhile the girls brought Charlie around and he befriended Dennis. Dennis was a whacked out mess at this point. Dennis introduced him to Terry Melcher and they talked about recording some of Charlie's songs he'd written. When Terry realized that the whole idea was whacked and Charlie was a nutcase, Charlie was threatening Terry and Dennis. Dennis just vacated his house and didn't pay the rent. Eventually the landlord threw Charlie and the girls out. According to Mike Love, he and Bruce Johnson were actually invited over one night to meet Charlie over dinner. Charlie tried to use the girls to seduce Mike and Bruce into an orgy. Mike said he could tell right away Charlie was a con-man and a whacko , so he and Bruce were kinda freaked out by the whole thing and just split. This was like a year before the Tate murders i think
Most of us that have seen the crime scene pics at the Tate residence will never be able to unsee it. It was gruesome, and the thought of the Manson family committing this crime chills me to the core.
Similar horrors happen every day of the week somewhere in the world, but they arent sensationalized.
For so long I had it in my mind that it was an isolated estate up in the Hollywood hills. It wasn’t until the last few years that I realized just how close the neighbors actually were. That is very fascinating.
If only one of the victims could have gotten to one of the other houses. Or if Linda would have done the right thing and gone for help. But these scenarios likely could have led to more victims.
Sadly there are just too many what if’s with this horrendous case.
FASCINATING STUFF! . . . Thanks for mapping it out with such detail.
My distant cousin Abigail Folger was murdered along with Sharon Tate as well.
Mary Bailey-Gates I’m sorry to hear that. How are you related to her?
@@forresthaggertychannel4301 Thank you.I am related to Abigail through the geneology of my father.My dad's brother,my uncle is our family geneologist and was doing some research on the Bailey side of our family and found that Benjiman Franklin's mothers maiden name was Folger.Her full name being Abia Folger Franklin.So Abias niece Susan Folger married into the Bailey side of our family.So my uncle wondering if any of the Folgers were still alive was sadly led to the story of Abigail's tragic death.So long story short we never got to meet her.
Mary Bailey-Gates That’s insane. What a story. I couldn’t imagine the shock when you found and your family found out!
I heard that her father put a bounty out on Manson (not my words) but of course he was too well protected in prison.
@@relicreapers571 I think that was Sharons dad but I may be wrong
Dude can work that google earth like a champ.
Ugh, makes me kinda sad they tore the house down to build... that monstrosity. I get people like a good mansion but 🤢 I hate that style
Very detailed and planned out video. You did your research. Well done.
I remember reading “Helter Skelter” when it came out in paperback. Scared me to death. Especially when I found out that Manson was born in my hometown. He got married and fathered a son. I understand that they have changed their names.
I read it as a child. The part I found scary was one of them mentioning they would go through people's homes while everyone was asleep. Moving things around with knives in their mouths. Imagine what would have happened if someone had woke up.
He had at least 3 sons. Charles Luther Manson, Charles Manson jr and Michael Brunner
Thanks ,very interesting ,I always wanted to see the area. 50 years later it still haunts me,I remember being afraid of someone coming inside our house and killing the family,I was 12.and a fan of Sharon Tate.
I remember she was on the Beverly Hillbillies sometimes.
Quite some commentary, location accuracy from birds eye view and Hollywood history knowledge. Thanks for the info. Curious if you've done this for other infamous murders? If so ever considered doing one on the Cunanan chain of murders that ended with Gianni Versace?
My dad remodeled the Tate home after the murders and he said it was super creepy. He was told at the time if he discussed with anyone that he was remodeling the home he would be fired. The property owner had the guest house relocated from behind the original home to the front of the property . He did take my mom up to the house and let her go inside. She said that all of the bloody carpet was rolled up and placed in one of the bedrooms. She also said she saw the beam in the living room with the rope burns in it from where Sharon and Jay were hung. The murders happened on 8/9/69 and my sister was born on 8/9/72 kinda weird.
I don't think I could have done that job.
Me either. But woulda loved to visit it.
I was born on 8/19/69. The same time Sharon Tate's baby was due. That child would be 50, years old. It is so sad.
The guest house was never moved.
Took this drive over a decade ago. There was a chain link fence blocking the little road leading up to the house because they were probably doing construction at the time. It was getting dark, & there weren't any street lights, so you could really imagine what that trip up there was like for the Manson clan... Creepy drive.
I've been to this property and I've made the trip up this road. Jeff Franklin, producer of Full House and Family Matters bought the old estate and rebuilt on the ground and I built the pool. Beautiful views of the city.
Lounge Singer how close is the pool you built to the location of the old pool?
@@forresthaggertychannel4301 I don't know where the original pool was or even how the original house was set. I came after demolition and construction of the new compound started. Why? That's a strange question.
This is another crime scene that fascinates me. Helter Skelter is a great book! I actually had a brief encounter with Vincent Bugliosi in late 1999 or early 2000 in S. Pasadena. He walked into the small packing/shipping business where I worked at the time, saying he wanted to ship a pair of eyeglasses to somebody.
Did you speak to him? Tell him how much we all loved his book?
@Spermwhale1000 No Homer, not Charlie, although that would've been nice, he was talking about Vincent the Bug.
That guy was a piece of shit. Using the murders for his own notoriety & giving Kaspian immunity when she was clearly, clearly an accessory to murder on both nights. If you watch the Larry King interview from 09' you'll see him answering Linda's questions for her as he's fucking petrified as to what she might say.
Thanks for the information! You are right about the pole. I have seen in many videos people think it is the originaly remaning pole on property since that time.
L B J your welcome! It bothered me when I would see videos with wrong information, so I decided to do one with correct information about this unfortunate incident.
Both Manson and Terry Melcher died on November 19th...13 years apart.
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do da do doo do da do doo..... that was the twilight zone theme by the way... just thought I'd mention that, what with the copywrite laws being what they are an all
That’s strange indeed.
T-Birdus Thoracis: It is strange.
Rainblaze: Manson’s birthday is the same day as Anne Hathaway & Princess Grace of Monaco: November 12.
Manson was a Scorpio.
Better than they both didn't die on Friday 13th.
Trent Reznor from Nine Inch Nails rented the Tate house in the 1990's and filmed the music video for 'Give Up' in the house.There are also home movies of Trent's on RUclips showing around the property.Trent had a recording studio in the main room Sharon was murdered,the mixing console was put right were her body was found.
tweevers2 yes- I heard of this before- that's sooo CRAZY why would he do that🤤🤤🤤🤤
@@blackestcat1111 because he's an idiot fanboy
The people who live near that hill where you can overlook the mansion don't like people parking there I've been to all these locations
The adult victims of the atrocious and senseless crime would be in their 70s and 80s by now and that poor baby boy would be celebrating his 50th birthday later this month. I watched this video a few months ago before "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" and after seeing the movie, I wish the events of the film had really happened that night!
How absolutely horrifying to even imagine what they experienced being slaughtered the way they were. How can there be such evil in this world???
Great research..I had no idea they travelled down my 'hood on Beverly Glen returning to the Spahn Ranch. How fortuitous the kid found the gun in his family's back yard---it could have easily been entangled on a tree branch for decades!
Excellent job! From everything I've read or seen about the killings, you are spot on with the locations.
Balding Ogre thank you! I read Tex Watson’s book, ‘Will you die for me’ and he gives many details in it. It was very helpful in making this video.
Love your videos, please keep them coming! Also love your book mentions so we can read more if we want. All around super awesome. Thanks.
I love, your voice. It's so gentle.
Thank you, for your informative video.
I was reading the wikipedia about the Nine Inch Nails album "The Downward Spiral" and it said Trent Reznor bought the house and recorded the album in the house. After the album was finished, the house was demolished. So creepy.
I was tripping out a few days ago when I found out they filmed the music video for "Gave up" in the house. Looked it up and indeed it was... soo creepy seeing the band jamming out with Marilyn MANSON (ironically) in the house living room and the shots of the pool area and front lawn. eerie!
The old house looked much better. Another stupid producer living above his means. Yeah the old house is more beautiful. All it needed was remodeled and not demolished.
The new house may be an eye sore, but the site needed to be razed. They did the same thing to Dahmer's apt building in Milwaukee.
The old house looked better yes, but I doubt that many people would want to live in the house where 5 people (including a pregnant lady) were brutally murdered. If I had the producer's money I would have done the same. Saying that, I probably wouldn't consider moving to that piece of land in the first place.
Let's have people come to your address where a famous murder took place even trespassing on your property for years and see if you don't do the same.The person who purchased OJ Simpsons Rockingham Dr home also did the same.
@@martinishot the old house looked and had more taste! That's what security is for, and lots of homes have had murders committed there and people don't tear them down.
@@migue4793 What other murder has people parking and hanging around there? And I am talking decades, not just years.
Another great video Sharon Tate story is still fascinating.
If anyone is interested in the Manson story outside of Bugliosi's book, I highly recommend *The Family (updated and revised)* by Ed Sanders.
I live in Canada, but I did take a drive up Cielo Dr. when I was there, having recently read Helter Skelter.
@1StarProductions There is no point, I'm just saying . Got a problem with that ?
Boy Terry Melcher is one lucky SOB
I believe his mother Doris Day told him to move. Also William Garrettson who was in the guest house was fortunate.
What? William garettson was in the guest house and didn't hear a thing?
@@aprilswk6999 yep that's what he always said. He said he had headphones on listening to music, writing letters. Yet the lights were on. I heard one of the girls went to check the guest house but heard the dog barking and told Tex nobody was there. Someone else who dodge death.
Allegedly Steve McQueen had a "Great Escape". He was due to be there but was way led by a woman. Apparently he had punched Manson in the face a couple of months earlier over a script, and put on the hit list.
So was the owner of the house where they used the hose to wash the blood off...
Just amazing, how you do these videos and Google Earth. I do it when I’m trying to find different businesses that I want to apply to, but you take it to the next level. Awesome work my friend.
Thanks for this. Never knew the “get away” story. What a bunch of sickos!
Amazing job recreating this. I saw Once Upon a Time in Hollywood last night and your video showed me what a great job they also did recreating Cielo Drive
Very good video. Interestingly you used to be able to go up the street on Google Street View and go right to where the new gate is at the property a few years ago, someone must of asked Google to remove the street from its Street View, I suppose because of it infamy.
shellsbignumber2 I didn’t know that, but certain you are correct that someone with fame and fortune said something to Google and they had it removed. I’m curious to know who it was.
must of? must've*
Forrest Haggerty Thanks for this interesting video! My personal thought is that the Full House producer (?) did it. It certainly wasn't Roman.
its annoying that you cant use google maps to go up to house! anyone can look at my house!
It was still on the Street View last year.
I wish we could find the man who tried to take the keys from Tex Watson.He could of got himself murdered that night.He probably spooked about the whole thing knowing who he was dealing with yikes
He may have crossed the rainbow bridge by now, don't you think so
I just found your channel, it’s very interesting. I’m pretty fascinated with this case,have been for years. My birthday is August 13th 1969. Hard to believe that Sharons son would be around my age.
My birthday was August 14th 1969, how fast is time ☹ this story has been in my mind for gawd knows how long..from Australia.
Ive been fascinated by the Manson story for a long time, im from Uk. This was a wonderful presentation, I always try to put myself there and this really helped me visualise. Just to understand what part of human psychology could push humans to act in such a way. Thank you for this video, can I ask you? Have you seen the JRE podcast with Tom oneill?
10:10 What a dumb way to dispose of a murder weapon in hindsight. He could have buried it a foot deep in any remote, vacant area along the roadside. That gun was a key piece of evidence in trial.
Obviously these crackheads have a IQ of 0 to act so inhumane and foolishly without thinking of the consequences. They were probably high on drugs or something and didn't think of it
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Text and Susan Atkins were hi on Speed during this time
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It really doesn't take much brains to figure out how to hide forever something as small as a pistol.
I would have hucked it in a lake.
Benedict canyon is a beautiful drive, I take that sometimes home after work.
Fun fact: Bruce Springsteen (aka the Boss of Benedict Canyon) lives there.
50 YEAR ANNIVERSARY COMING UP THIS THURSDAY.
@Spermwhale1000 Yes thank you Mr. Spermwhale. Big news here in Australia all over the TV and newspapers. So is that Canada stuff with the 2 fugitives found dead which we are all very suspicious about...
Great work on this piece of history. These videos are fascinating. I like all the little details added, like where the pistol and clothes were tossed. And stopping to use an outside faucet at somebody's house. I stumbled across your James Dean video a few days ago and now I'm hooked.
DISPITE the house's horrific background,it WAS a beautiful home, I wish it was there to this day, instead of the ugly monstrosity that unfortunately now takes the lands place.
An 11 year old finds the murder weapon. Wow. I've never heard of that before. And NONE of these people felt guilty. That is a point that MUST be remembered, high or not these murderers SHOULD NEVER BE RELEASED. It takes evil to do this
This is very impressive video, thanks for posting.
Learned a lot of new things I never heard before .
thanks
I read Helter Skelter six years ago and tried a little google earthing myself on these locations but I wish this video was available then. Really good information here. Thanks.
Looking back, that guy who tried to grab the keys from Tex was messing with the wrong guy. They still had buck knives in the car.
Dexter Haven and the pistol. Watson said he didn’t kill him because he wasn’t on Manson’s list to kill.
Good point. I forgot they still had the gun in the car then. They have have been out of bullets, though. But if he was going to prevent them all from driving back to Charlie that night, perhaps Tex would know what Charlie would want him to do. ;) @@forresthaggertychannel4301
Dexter Haven the gun held 8 bullets and only 6 were fired. It still had 2 shots.
Does anyone know anything else about this guy? Is there an interview of him or something? I find this part the most interesting
the gun would have been useless as the barrel was bent by this time
It always amazes me how those idiots could find the house. We did the walk in 1984 on an August night, and the only sounds we could hear were the sounds of crickets. Every time I hear crickets, I think of that gate.
August 8, 1969 was my fourth Birthday. I'm 54 now, but I can still remember my sister telling me on the sidewalk outside our apartment, "If somebody asks you how old you are today, hold up these four fingers and leave your thumb down." Who would've ever thought that such a beautiful actress would be murdered on that day?
wonderful memory
Cool video, man! I was already familiar with the route, but I didn't know about the evidence drops.
Thanks for sharing! :)
Kasper you’re welcome. I’m happy it helped you out.
Thoughts: They seemed pretty focused on their “mission” and where to go. They knew which phone lines to cut... Tex seemed to remember where he parked, where he backed-up, where they went for water, remembered that confrontation with the home owner... All the while supposedly under a spell and high on drugs. Also curious as to why they did not kill the water-hose home owner. They just murdered 5 people and this witness is just pushed away. Very thought invoking presentation sir. Thank you.
Probably in a panic to rid themselves of evidence. Shooting this guy would have alerted neighbors, who would have called police. Given what they had done and rushing back to the ranch, they wanted to get the hell out of there fast.
they claimed that they werent high that night, Manson wanted them to be totally aware of their actions. But whos to say whats the truth, seems unlikely that they wouldnt be high
@brian me quite possibly, also he had been to the house before and seen Sharon. He knew she stayed there. I think he also thought that Terri Meltcher still lived there if I'm not mistaken
@brian me you should read Susan Atkins book. She has a very interesting take on the whole motive thing and what she believes was going down. She does paint herself as a complete saint though but it's still a very interesting read
@brian me no I haven't. I'll be sure to check it out
Fantastic job! I drove up there about 10 years ago and you read that it is a very desirable area where movie stars and other wealthy people live but I disliked it very much. You are correct in describing how steep the road is. One side of your home would be a cliff and the other side a wall of dirt with a strip of "lawn" carved out of it and an almost vertical drive to reach it. I got claustrophobic and height sensitive at the same time. To each his own, though. You did a first rate job here.
@Wendy Jones the same reasons why you didn't like it is exactly why famous people like living there. It is private, away from peering eyes of the public, a cliff for a back yard so that people cant be peering into their private lives looking over fences to see what they are doing. Private streets so that lookie-loos and fans cant be driving up and down their streets bothering them all of the time. etc.
I understand the desire for privacy but it didn't keep the Manson Family from peering in and prying. Not to be nasty here. I just wouldn't want to live there personally. I like more space around me rather than a dangerous cliff on one side and a wall of earth on the other. It's a personal preference. If I were famous and wanted privacy, I would go a route that was more along the lines of a gated community, I suppose - maybe a ranch in the middle of nowhere with security cameras extending far out from the home. To each his own.
@@wendyjones6077 They didnt peer in and pry, they did have a security gate for the property so that people couldn't just peer in whenever they felt like it and the house was located on a private road. Do you understand just how it is a private road? It is a narrow one lane private road with only a few houses on it and you almost need to back all the way down in reverse just to get out of there because there is so little room that it is almost impossible to turn around if you have to go back down unless you live there.
Even if they had lived in a gated community where there was a guard out front, they could/would have still been able to get to those people. They would have just hopped the fence. They would have had to hop the fence to get to Tate and the others as it was since they did have a security gate anyway.
You are also forgetting the type of view that those homes have of the city and you are also forgetting the type of traffic that is there. So sure if you want to get some type of ranch if you are famous, then by all means go ahead and drive 2 hours to a studio with traffic, or drive 20 minutes to get to where you are auditioning or shooting something with a closer house like this one to the major studios. My guess is that you would grow tired of that real quickly driving 2 hours each way from your ranch house and LA traffic is the WORST>
I still don't want to live there because I don't like it. Again - to each his own, even if that is not allowable in your world. Have a nice life.
@@wendyjones6077 I didnt say that, I was just letting you know as to the "why" famous people actually live closer to the studios, and tv stations and to where they work because traffic in LA is terrible. You can live in your fantasy world where you "think" that if you were famous that you are going to live a 2 hour one way drive away from Hollywood and you are going to drive in that traffic daily to go on auditions or go to work on some TV show. But we both know you wouldnt spend 4 hours a day driving round trip in that mess. Even if you had a driver you wouldnt do it. Lets not kid ourselves.
Can you some time do the Patty Hearst route? I went to the SLA " shootout" location a day after with my dad and took pictures?
Wow, that resident who approached them and tried to take the keys out of the car sure was lucky and obviously had no idea who they were. He easily could have been killed himself.
the Tate house was pretty sweet.....the thing, the mansion that's there now is OBNOXIOUS
The house itself was beautiful looking. But could you imagine living in that house with the same carpet and everything? It’d be horrible to think about and remember daily. I think it was right to knock it down but maybe they should’ve tried to rebuild the house exactly but with some changes like getting rid of the part of the ceiling where the rope was thrown over.
B C S the carpet would have been replaced entirely. I think the original house should’ve remained.
What a cool concept for a channel! I'm really impressed with your knowledge of the subject and your presentation. I look forward to seeing your treatment of other historical events.
There was no house lovelier than the old house and no house uglier than the new one.
I had a chuckle about the perhaps 12% grade and couldn't be ridden on a bicycle as it is so steep. Cielo Drive has nothing on Winthrop and Eggelston streets Torrington, Conn. I ride those to work... (should say WALK...) It is 15% or more grade and one can barely walk a bike up it, never mind RIDE. Ones ankles KILL after such exercise.
(oh, and P.S.)
it's absolutely terrifying riding back down....
This was just an aside. I know your point wasn't the steepness of a road.
I saw 'Once Upon A Time in Hollywood'. Fascinating story, interesting ending.
Thank you VERY much for presenting this video.
PigeonsPie1 I meant to say the paper boy couldn’t ride his bike up Cielo, but I was distracted by the fatigue from riding.
I’m from Connecticut and I know the area you’re talking about! Funston and Roosevelt Avenues are like climbing a mountain too
That road that you went up across from the private drive. That is a former estate of Rudolph Valentino. I found your videos just this last week. I really enjoy them, please make more. LOL Happy Easter!
Philip Heffner yes. His former estate was just too the left about 15 to 20 feet from that location. It still says Falcon’s Lair on the gate pillar.
May all of these innocent Victims R.I.P. We will never forget any of them.