food for thought: the girls that committed the Tate murders were actually child sex abuse victims of Polanski and his friends. if the tape of Tate's rape is real, and if the sex abuse stories Manson describes from his days in orphanages/boarding schools are real, that would indicate a motive for the Manson family much more coherent than what is officially presented
Quentin Tarantino thinks Roman didn’t do anything wrong. He loves Roman. He went on the Howard K. Stern show and went into great detail about how the 14 year old girl and her mom are the ones to blame
@@tompetlach848 . I had heard this before. Drug trading was involved. And some sort of sex crimes retaliation. The whole Helter Skelter thing was facade.
Manson scientology nexium and over the years are only some of the CIA mind control operations hunter s Thompson.... hollyweird is now a loaded weapon and propaganda tool against the people and the whole world
@@splinejones4489 , You’re absolutely right I saw her defend him, it’s repugnant and very telling on her part….. Hollywood is truly a pit for the unscrupulous.
@@mickeyandres2651 ... "Horror-wood" is a PIT of pure evil. However, not everyone involved in that "nasty network" is malevolent and devoid of a conscience, but, many are blackmailed into colluding and conspiring with the vile "illumine - naughties" satanic agenda.
@robertkees6048 I know. I had just turned 10 in August 1969 right before it happened. It was front page news & the radio & TV reported it nonstop. It took them a while to figure out who did the murders, & when they found them, the coverage was unreal. I saw the TV movie "Helter Skelter", based on Bugliosi's book, which I read later. I remember somebody online commenting that Charles Manson killed the 60's. Pretty spot on.
@@tomasvlcek4476 hes wanted in the USA for the rape of an underage girl. Hes living in Poland and they wont extradite him *He's living in France, not Poland*
Amazes me how the same people who support the Me too movement would give Roman Polanski a standing ovation. These are the same people giving speeches at the Academy Awards lecturing us.
They all are fake. I don’t like feminism bc I feel like it fights all the wrong things most of the time and produces more toxicity than good. I think it is fine though to appreciate Polanski for his work bc he was a great filmmaker despite being a monster but I do want to puke at all those hypocrites in Hollywood. They all just want to make money and save their own ass.
Me Too movement is the anti-jew movement, no councidence most of the real victims are jewish. That is, the people blamed. I am ANTI ME TOO and PRO ISREAL
@nin_po...And getting WORSE. FBI dispatched by Biden's handlers to capture license plates of concerned parents at PTA meetings. For future harassment! The Minority Report was predictive programming.
@@stregalilith Manson has been used for yrs by them they basically brought him up as a child , Boys town special operation, a chaos creator! Look into yourself!
My son read Chaos and recommended it to me. I listened to it on audio during a trip and I was enthralled!!! If you haven't read this book, you have got to.
It's absolutely crazy how much CHAOS blows the original story to smithereens! I appreciated how O'Neill says in the book "I don't KNOW what the real story is, I just have evidence to prove that the OFFICIAL story is false!" instead of throwing out different theories, etc. That's good journalism right there. Also, as the other commenter states, the book about Laurel Canyon is also crazy good.
@@tommiddlefinger6188 Tate's father was military Intelligence, he worked out of a building at the top of the hill where those murders took place, go back and look at the murder scene photos and see if they look real, can you say False Flag, nobody knew Tate had a little sister until she died
@@stevescuba1978 she has a sister who went to every parole hearing to make sure not of the killers were ever paroled. I’m not sure what your are implying though ?
I understand its tough for the author but like dude you're on one of the biggest podcasts ever, you aren't here to advertise your book. so annoying to constantly hear "i discuss this in the book..."
@@snorfietsers4006 No, thats EXACTLY why he was there. He's there to promote the new book he spent 20 years writing, he obviously doesn't want to spoil it on the biggest podcast on the planet
@@kiwione12 I'm not saying he didn't lol??? I'm saying it's annoying that he did. Did you even read the comment you originally replied to? If you did you would realize you agree with me
He’s a monster for sure, I choose to believe that the house was truly high profile. Manson is Frankensteins monster just like whitey burger and all other test subjects from MK Ultra. They’re lab rats got out and fucked up the world
You really have to read the whole book. It is clear who ordered the slaughter. It was the government and the reasons are well explained in the book. For Polanski, it is also clear he had nothing to do with it.
I was in LA when the trial was going on and paying attention although I wasn't a lawyer yet. Three things stand out to me after reading Tom O'Neill's book: 1) Vince Bugliosi was a known liar, very ambitious, and would say anything to enhance his image; 2) in thirty years as a lawyer, much of it practicing in Los Angeles, I have rarely seen anything as meticulously documented as Tom O'Neill's book, "Chaos"; 2) I was a law student extern at the ACLU a few years later and the information Tom has on COINPRO is spot on. Further, Tom's father was a well regarded member of the legal profession and helped him document his findings in an honest, ethical and professional manner. To me, Tom O'Neill's reportage is credible.
COINTELPRO Counter Intelligence Program. Not being pedantic. The correct spelling and understanding of the term are important for others to be able to research who don’t know what it is.
@@stregalilith it’s all good. I try to educate people about this one program all the time. Once you understand this you understand how trusting the government is never the right way.
My mother went to school with the LaBianca children. She can't even hear about the crimes it's so upsetting knowing her lovely classmates lost their parents this way. We often forget the victims of this crime and focus on the infamy and celebrity of the perpetrators. The son was just a normal, happy, popular high school student who lost his whole family and privacy. So tragic.
I absolutely hate how the perpetrators are always the focus of these crimes. The victims seems to get lost in the process except they aren’t forgotten by the people who love them. I hate our society that loves talking crime.
“The Murder’s also caused Actor Iian Quarrier, who stared with Sharon Tate in The Fearless Vampire Hunter’s; to go into a Severe Depression!” Iian was living in Montreal at the time, and Slowly slipped out of the Movie Industry altogether from what I’ve gathered!
The number of Hollywood types who simply ignore the evil of Polanski is astounding. No excuse for what The Family did to Sharon Tate and the other victims, what they had to endure was despicable.
@@KLRN-qc7jp As well as the mention in the clip that he forced Sharon Tate to have sex with other men while he taped it Polanski is a peadophile and cannot re-enter the USA as there is an open warrant for him having sex with a 13 year old in Jack Nicholson's Malibu mansion after he drugged her. Just look up the list of Hollywood types who signed the petition to allow him to return the States.
@@misterpurple4089 First of all there is no evidence of Polanski forcing Tate to do anything. Some guy tells to the other guy that he heard from a completelly different guy that there is a video tape that supposedly confirms that. That's evidence to you? You Hamburgers are crazy. All you have to do is point a finger at a man and he is finished. No evidence needed. Polanski is no pedo. He was drunk and high as crap and the mother of the girl dressed her up and sent to Polanski's house. She wanted this to happen. The girl herself, as an adult woman even said that she forgave him and asked everybody to leave him alone. There were no further accounts of him ever having these kind of sexual relations in the future. Polanski might be perverse. But evil? Monster? Only in a nation where misandry is as natural as breathing could someone come up with such stupid idea. Polanski went through living hell in his life. He really loved Sharon Tate. Her death broke him and he is carrying that scar in his heart until today. Spitting on this man's suffering like that is just disgusting and inhuman.
@@KLRN-qc7jp Calling bullshit on that, she was 13 and if he couldn't control himself because he was drunk then he is even more of a monster. If she forgave him as you suggest then I am at a loss as to why she sued him. Obvious you didn't watch the full interview or perhaps you believe he is a Saint just like Harvey Weinstein did. Funny how a serial rapist signs the petition for a child molester to be allowed back into the country.
I've never been able to reconcile just how Bugliosi could be such an ace prosecutor and brilliant author of Helter Skelter.....and at the same time be such a vociferous proponent of the Warren Commission's findings, the lone nut assassin and the magic bullet....Now I know....Great interview.
O'Neill is a charlatan. He wants to throw shade on Bugliosi's reputation to please all of his conspiracy loon friends who make living promoting lies and speculation and never have any actual evidence. Bugliosi and (Gerald Posner) have conclusively shown there's only evidence vs OSWALD.
It's because the Warren Commission WAS CORRECT. That's WHY. All the conspiracy books about Oswald have been discredited. The Oliver Stone film completely discredited as a fabrication, using information that was debunked numerous times: very sloppy research. This author also DOES NOT PROVIDE ANY EVIDENCE OF THE CIA'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE TATE MURDERS. Only speculation. Conspiracy Theories in search of PROOF.
@@paulvoorhies8821I knew the guy that did Obama's laundry while he was in office. Said Michelle's underwear were all stretched out in the front. Similar to how a well endowed man's would be.
Manson is the definition of crazy and Polanski is, to put it politely not a nice person, neither why Hollywood give those abusive men (Polanski, Woody Allen, Kinski, Weinstein etc) the credits for being "geniuses" is beyond me.
I think there's room for nuance. Calling bad people scumbags and giving credit for good work are not mutually exclusive. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with giving credit to the quality of someone's work even though they're bad people, but ignoring the bad things people do and praising them as good guys because they've been involved in good art are steps too far imo. I have no issue with anyone saying they love any of Polanski's movies (for example, Chinatown is superb) or simply pointing out the objective fact that Harvey Weinstein helped produce a lot of great and deservedly beloved movies so long as they also acknowledge that both men are guilty of doing some terrible things. What's absolutely disgusting and objectionable is the extent to which people in the industry have tried to ignore Weinstein's abuse of power or how some have tridd to get Polanski off his charges so he can come back to America. THAT, at the very least, is culpability with evil, not simply enjoying any of the good things they've worked on.
That's right Manson never committed a single murder in his life but yet his parole was denied the three women that actually cut the baby out of Sharon Tate was paroled. Now please tell me if we don't have a Judicial problem in America
Yeah dude, I'm turning all this stuff off for awhile, inserting head into sand. I will never have enough information to know what F is going on in this world.
@@CelticAngloPress2nd enough with your Jewish conspiracies dude. That's Nazi propaganda. I'm not saying there aren't bad Jews in power, of course there are and they are disproportionately represented but don't go down that slippery slope man... You took the black pill.
There's a lot of info that people never heard before in that book, but one thing that surprised me is that there was no mention of Bugliosi's assistant who was murdered during the trial. He was found beheaded I think in the Sespe Creek area of Ojai. I will never forget that because I was hiking in that area the weekend that it happened.
I remember a mention of a certain lawyer found dead in a swimming pool. Not sure if it's the same guy you're talking about .So much truth was hidden from this sad, grizzly event And then @ a week later, Woodstock occurs in NY.Peace on the Eastcoast, but not the west coast.
This is the first time I've ever heard anything about Roman being abusive to Sharon. Although, I've always wondered if Roman could've possibly orchestrated the whole thing. After listening to this guy, it doesn't seem so crazy. If Roman truly was a monster, then he could have easily paid Terry to hire someone to get rid of Sharon. So Terry seeks out Manson, who may have been the one lunatic he knew who could pull this off. If the payment was setup as half upfront, and rest paid after the deed was done, it would've given Terry a very legitimate reason to visit Manson at the ranch after the murders. I've always been unusually attached to this case, and after watching Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, all I could think of was why anyone that wealthy would leave their pregnant spouse alone, without any security measures in place. It makes more sense than attacking just a random house, for some obscure vendetta against the previous tenants.
Look up Roman Polanski abortion Tate on google. I read the book by Ed Sanders and according Sharon’s friends, Polanski wanted to fly Tate down to Brazil to have a partial birth abortion by a witch Doctor! Interesting don’t you think?
Manson knew that Terry Melcher no longer lived at that house. Several months prior to the murders Manson visited that house thinking Terry Melcher still lived there and Sharon Tate was there. That is a common misconception that Manson didn't know who lived at that house
Manson "creepy crawled" the "Doris Day" Malibu home Melcher was staying at and took a set of binoculars, then called Melcher and asked if he was "missing something"...
Manson selected the Tate house because he knew the floorplan. Period. He was trying to deflect the premeditation charge by stating it was a random house.
well, we don't know for sure what Manson thought. He might've thought they were lying to him and that the people there were Terry's guests. Either way, he wanted to kill rich, Hollywood types. But he did have it in for Terry, so maybe he thought the renters were friends of Terry's. Charlie and his followers aren't exactly consistent or honest about their motives. Charlie never fesses up to being a pissed off, failed artist who just wanted to get back at someone who basically knew he had no musical talent.
This guy is easily one of the most interesting historians if you could even call him that to watch. Makes news from when my father was born sound like it happened yesterday. Great job.
I don’t know that’s really the reason he’s good. I think he’s good because he has a great research instinct and questions narratives rather than accepting everything without verification.
Vincent Bugliosi came to Indiana University in 1976, and gave a presentation called Helter Skelter. He gave a talk after screening the film and it was very interesting. Most of us knew very little about the case, and we gave him a standing ovation at the end.
The claim that Polanski had forced Sharon to have sex with other men and filmed it came as quite a shock. Although what he did to the 14 year old girl was bad. What I have noticed about him is that all his movies tend to be very dark and involve abuse, often of women. Sharon should have stuck with Jay Sebring, whom she left for Polanski. Jay died while trying to protect her. I believe Manson was just an ex con who had learned mind control techniques while in prison and knew how to say what people wanted to hear. His followers were vulnerable people at a time when young people were looking for gurus and answers. Manson just used and exploited them - although it doesn't excuse what they did. The whole Manson thing never really made any sense to me - the hippy movement was about peace, love and opposition to materialism and the Vietnam war. Murdering innocent people because they were famous and wealthy just didn't add up nor was in keeping with the hippy ethos.
But the whole Helter Skelter ordeal/story killed the hippy movement. If the c I a wanted to stop the whole peace live, anti war movement, what better way to do it
yeah the cia definitely infiltrated the counter culture movement. LSD was a big part of the MKULTRA trials as well. They said they discontinued that program but I highly doubt it. Manchurian candidates are a very real thing and scary af
You hinted at it: "opposition to materialism." It's small step from vilifying 'materialism' & then targeting ACTUAL PEOPLE GUILTY OF IT. The same can be said for villainizing terms like 'white privilege' & 'white tears' & even 'white phrases' & how they are a small step at vilifying 'WHITENESS' to then targeting ACTUAL WHITE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSEDLY ALL GUILTY OF IT.
The hippy movement was actually about lazy self-centered hedonism. They invented the peace, love, and anti-materialism narrative as cover and rationalization for their true motives. Hedonists care about no one but themselves and tend to fill up with hatred toward those who have more than them. And of course they're not above lying to present themselves in the best possible light.
I read Tom O'Neill's book after I first saw this interview and recommend it. Very readable and informative. Very well documented. This man dedicated his life to exposing corruptions behind the scene.
This is why one should remain skeptical in cases like this, anything can potentially be covered up, fabricated, distorted. Don't trust "official" narratives at face value, think for yourself and research for yourself.
Would you apply that to the OJ Simpson trial? There was a lot of talk that it was really a drug killing, not OJ. Then, after the "not guilty" OJ verdict, Bugliosi made a 7+ hour video after the verdict trying to convince everyone that OJ was the killer, even though there was other evidence that suggested otherwise. I never understood why Bugliosi tried so hard to convince people that OJ did it. Listening to Tim O'Neill makes me question Bugliosi even more. Brian Heiss on RUclips did a thorough analysis proving that OJ didn't do it. You can check out his channel. OJ's defense team said they had enough witnesses and evidence to prove that it was a drug killing, not OJ, but the judge, for some unexplained reason, didn't want to allow it in the courtroom. I, like many, thought that was kind of odd. Your thoughts?
@@23_Knows_ALL the time-line alone proves it doesn't take a thorough examination to figure out OJ didn't do it. All that other shit Brian Heiss covered on his channel is just icing on the cake. I think there's a lot more to that story than we'll ever know. Drug killing? Probably...Lee Bailey said on a podcast shortly before his death that he had got word that the men who were responsible were subsequently murdered as well, because Nicole & Ron weren't the real targets. But saying that kind of stuff in the mainstream makes you look like a crazy person.
@@23_Knows_ALL I've tried to figure out why the media would go so far to try and make a clearly innocent man look guilty. The only thing I can come up with is money. "OJ is Guilty" has been a billion dollar industry. Sadly, I think it's really that simple..
@@drewlavay Yes, I agree, the media lied and continues to lie to people for money for sure. The ratings are always super high whenever anything about OJ Simpson gets air time. I think if people looked into the cops in the trial a little further, then investigated the whole department further, they'd discover a whole lot of police misconduct that might set a lot of people in prison free. This might have then made the public or what would be considered too many citizens completely distrust the whole justice system (the irony in that), and politicians or whoever had the power to make those decisions probably didn't think that all would end well. I was thinking some police tampering maybe was taking place in Bugliosi's famous Manson case, with even Bugliosi taking part of it since there are other irregularities in the Manson case too. Maybe the cops tampered and manufactured with evidence in the Manson trial at Bugliosi's request. If that's true, then it would make sense for Buglisosi to use all his might to debunk the police tampering narrative in the Simpson trial so that no one comes dangerously close to finding out him and other cops (from the same LAPD that investigated the OJ trial) tampered with evidence and possibly lied in court in order to win the Manson trial that made Bugliosi famous. Bugliosi wouldn't want that to blow up in his face and lose his "righteous" fame or his "good" name that he's spent so many years crafting. It is possible.
I spoke to Tom Briefly a couple of years ago after reading his book. I believe I ran across a house near Vacaville where some Family members were squatting in 1977... I just wanted to relate the story to him. He was kind to me and receptive and didn't make me feel like an idiot like a few people have over the years when I told them about my experience ( It's a long story ) I highly recommend his book. It makes more sense to me than anything else I have read... These murderers have haunted me since 1969 when I was 11 years old....
@Reclining_Spuds The house was out in the middle of nowhere, off of Pleasant Valley Road, about hallway to Lake Berryessa... It was abandoned and I came on it by chance. My ex wife, my cousin's wife and I were out riding one night and I caught a glimpse of something on a gate in front of the property... I thought it was a little kid... It was a dog. A big Doberman. Someone had killed it, cut it open and hung it on the gate... Long story... I took my wife and cousin home, found a cop and rode with him back out there. He didn't want to go over the fence... I said, "Don't you think you should check out that house?" He said, "Are you gonna come with me?" We went up the driveway, about 50 yards and we hear something coming right at us... ( It's pitch black and all he has is his flashlight ) He pulled his weapon and a fucking horse goes running past us... keeps going. SOMEONE had spooked it and ran it towards us... We get to the house, it's open. Lots of fast food trash, old crap, magzines, blankets. A big Pentagram on the floor in the main room. A glass in the middle, surrounded by candles... they were out, but wax was soft... I said, "Man, let's get the hell outta here..." He was a young cop, probably about 25, 30. I was 18... We were both pretty scared... He dropped me off at my house and said he would write a report about the dog and see if a detective would investigate in daylight.... never heard from him again. Years later, I'm researching a term paper on the Manson family and I learned about their water sharing ritual. I had no idea Manson was in Vacaville in 1977. My wife and I lived off Alamo drive, not far from the prison. I have always believed that some of the Family were squatting in that house... whoever killed that dog was a very sick, evil person. Whoever was squatting in that house KNEW it was there. The gate was locked and the house was only about 100 yards away...
@billreid818 that is really creepy. Nothing surprising coming from that gang. I worked at the Nut Tree Restaurant as a dishwasher from January to April in 1977. I would get off at midnight and ride my motorcycle right past the prison. That was creepy enough for me.
@Reclining_Spuds My ex worked there at the ice cream shop. I worked at the mobile home factory on El Mira... we had just moved to California... we had a 3 bedroom apt for $175... I had a new car, Pinto Stallion... the note was $78... She made minimum but I was making $5.50 an hour... we thought were living large! Lol! It was a different world, and Fairfield/Vacaville was a sleepy little bedroom community back then. I miss those days... the marriage didn't make it, but we're the parents of a wonderful son and we're still friends.
When I read the book "Helter Skelter," I learned that Charlie Manson had been to the Tate house before. He was rejected in the "rock" world. They all should have gotten the death penalty for what they did.
After dealing personally with psychopaths and sociopaths.. I realized the less you ask “why” the better. There is never an answer and they aren’t worth the time thinking about because they are not thinking about anybody but themselves. Period
People are only labeled "psychopaths" and "sociopaths" in dumb internet comment sections. The closest real world diagnosis is anti social personality disorder.
@@davem7173 I don't know where you got your information but its completely wrong. You have no idea what your talking about. And have no business speaking on this subject matter. Please remain silent until you can back up your absurd claims. Stop spreading misinformation.
@@jesseberdowski3148 Nah I work in the mental health field dumb fuck. Show me where in the DSM they have either "Sociopath" or "Psychopath" as an accepted mental health diagnosis?
Good interview and solid reporting. It seems like the last 50 plus years millions of dollars have been made off these poor people. This guy is legit but it seems like alot of people are trying to cash in on this tragedy, these were real people. Steve Parent was just 18, Jay Sebring didnt think of himself and tried to defend Sharon which Tex killed him, then you have Sharon pleading for her babies life and calling out to her mother. Yeah, these were real people who's stories were turned into mythology.
Sharon Tate had been my grandmothers best friend from grade school until she was murdered. My grandmother was prom queen in Vicenza, Italy and Tate was one of the runner-ups. I've seen pictures of Tate when they were kids. Their parents were military.
It’s crazy because since 2016 I complete stopped trusting main stream narratives. Before I saw this I had always looked at how they do stuff now and if they wanted to get rid of the hippy move my then that was the perfect way to do it.
@@bradleyroberts6050Thats exactly what I was thinking. It’s so crazy how before when I was a kid, whatever I saw on MSM, I thought it was the 100% truth and that I am the good guy for siding with them. Like you said since 2016, that completely changed for me and its so strange when you look back at history and realize what else was fabricated bullshit. The Manson murders definitely one of those.
What a fascinating interview and Joe Rogan is genuinely interested and engaged. As an English person, I am baffled as to why Joe has been under such recent pressure and attacks as he is the perfect interviewer.
The LEFT didn’t like that Joe was discussing alternative methods to curing COVID and had some Dr on his show disputing COVID propaganda. So they tried to “Cancel”Joe, some old musicians cancelled their music on Spotify who sponsored him.Then some obscure blak “singer” found evidence of Joe using the dreaded “N” word 😱 12 years ago!!!! But Joe prevails!!👍🏻👏🏻✊🏻
@@chrisrodriguez5934 No, he didn't. I read the book when it came out. It was a passion project after Premiere (the magazine) shut down. It was supposed to be an article for the 30th anniversary of the murders. But he kept digging and digging, and finding more and more shit. Like, for instance, the fact that Manson was never put away for any of the crimes he committed after he was released in 1967, because his parole officer protected him to no end. That parole officer was involved in studies, funded by institutes that were funded by the CIA, about the how LSD could make people more violent (there were also studies, by the same institutes, posing as free-clinics in San Francisco, about how cannabis could make people more docile - I'm sorry if I'm getting any of these statements wrong, but I've read the book almost a year ago). There are a lot of loose threads in the book, exactly because O'Neill didn't want the book to turn into a conspiracy theory, but it's fascinating nonetheless. Especially the fact that he mentions the murder Beausoleil committed due to a drug deal gone wrong, how Susan Atkins tried to cover for him, trying to redirect that murder to the Black Panthers, writing "pigs" on the wall, way before the Tate-LaBianca murders, etc. I recommend watching "Charles Manson: The Final Words".
@@TywinLannister666 you can't prove he was guilty. Not even the court gave evidence. Well yes, but invented it. Helter skelter wasn't ever a thing (just the name of a night club). They wouldn't even let Manson bring any witness. Totally rigged
At the time of Manson Family, my family lived around 5 miles from the Spawn ranch. We. would see the family in their bus around the neighborhood, they would go to the supermarkets in the area, go through the trash bins for food. My friends and I would wonder about them but never tried to search them out. We decided they were trouble, so perhaps we had some fear. After they were arrested, we knew that we did right thing, by not allowing our curiosity get the best of us.
Same. The teachers at Chatsworth High warned the students not to go horseback riding up at Spahn. Word had gotten out there was trouble brewing up there at the ranch.
3/3 for books I picked up because of JRE and loved them. -Chaos by Tom O'Neill -Fingerprints of the Gods by Graham Hancock -DMT The Spirit Molecule by Dr Rick Strassman highly recommend all 3 if you get the chance.
Like Michael Cain says in 'The Dark Knight', "some men just want to watch the world burn". Some men want to see how much they can make someone do. Manson was not insane, just deeply narcissistic, cruel, and curious. A bad combination.
I'll never forget sitting in my parent's house as a kid with some friends playing Monopoly. There was an interuption in the TV broadcast, and a newscaster came on to report that several people had been discovered slain in Los Angeles. It's something I'll always remember.
I was 10 & we heard alot about all of it! Also Martin Luther King Murder! The hippie stuff & the vietnam war! Also JFK assanation i remember hearing all of it! The 60's were a very bad time of civil unrest!
I’m glad they aren’t releasing it here in the states. The man taped a young girl, he doesn’t deserve to make ungodly amounts of money, while escaping prosecution.
Amen!!! She was a beautiful kind lady. I don’t remember ever reading bad things about her. She was just a young woman excited about being a momma. May they be flying with the angels 👼
nadia mccall Your right. But Sharon and the baby were the youngest victims. So I guess that is why people feel so strong about them. She was in her early twenties. So people feel like Sharon could be any of our kids, nieces or friends or cousin.
Mary Allison. NO, you're wrong. nadia mccall. Yes, you're correct. Just like Kobe Bryant's death, the famous only count. The rest are considered "other victims"
The "other" victims: Steven Parent, 18: Visiting the resident of a guest house on the Cielo Drive estate, he was the first victim of the murderers. Abigail Folger, 25: The heir to the Folgers coffee fortune, she was romantically involved with Frykowski and was an investor in Sebring’s salons. *A Hollywood actress, 26 (not in her early 20's)* Voytek Frykowski, 32: A friend of Polanski’s, he came from a wealthy Polish family and was staying with Polanski and Tate. Gary Hinman, 34: The musician was stabbed to death in his Old Topanga Canyon Road home in July 1969. The phrase “POLITICAL PIGGY” was scrawled in blood on his wall. Manson follower Bobby Beausoleil was arrested while driving Hinman’s Volkswagen bus and was later convicted of the crime. Donald “Shorty” Shea, 35: A horse wrangler at the Spahn Movie Ranch near Chatsworth, he was killed in August 1969, after the Tate-LaBianca murders. It is believed that Manson’s followers killed him because they feared he was a police informant. His body was found eight years later.I Jay Sebring, 35: A Hollywood hairdresser whose clients included Warren Beatty, he was a former boyfriend of Tate’s. Rosemary LaBianca, 38 Leno LaBianca, 44: Husband and wife, owners of a chain of Los Angeles grocery stores, their Los Feliz house was targeted by Charles Manson, who tied them up but left the killing to others. I put these in order by their age: youngest to oldest, since Mary Allison believes that's what determined Tate's death recognition, not being a Hollywood actress.
I’m 66 years old, grew up in the Bay Area during “the time” and have never been interested in the shadowy kind of glorifying the whole Manson thing. This is such a sensible approach that, for the first time ever, I am interested in reading the story. That Altamont and the end of that whole reign came up tells me this guy has pulled it all together. Sadly, intelligence keeps on pulling their bullshit on people. Excellent interview. I’m getting this book. Thank you.
not being american i was interested in it , being able too watch some progs about it and mansons life story as i didnt know a lot about it , would not glorify it one bit ,
Oddly enough I watched the excellent David Fincher movie 'Zodiac' it really bought my limited memories of San Francisco and the Bay Area back to me via a cracking soundtrack.
I knew it!!! I’ve sensed all of these years that there was something not kosher about what we were being told. I was a teenager when the murders occurred, and I read Helter Skelter in 1977.
I'm reading this man's book now that's called Chaos, and besides cross referencing to prove the author's claims/points and watching interviews it's one that's very hard to put down. Actually loading myself up with caffeine now so I can read late into the night, it's that interesting. Mind blown, and this book/interview and many many others I've perused through the years only reinforces the understanding of just how disgusting Hollywood and the music business is and how corrupt our government is. 😥
I was 13 in 1970. The corruption and openly evil music industry has gone off the rails. Everything going on now seems insane to me. Food prices have doubled! Maybe it's my age but the pronouns now! The uber wealthy run this Country and don't get me started on child sniffing Biden. It breaks my heart. I worry for my grandkids.
"That was the 'first' letter?" "There were *three* of them!" Mr. O'Neill's sudden outburst of almost childlike glee when remembering the (probably equally insane) other letters is frankly adorable.
I saw a clip of Roman directing her in a film I believe was something to do with vampire's (can't remember the name) but I was shocked at how he spoke to her,awful and disrespectful. She looked so forlorn being spoken to like that,I felt bad for her.
great movie though- fearless vampire killers. polanski is a pos. not afraid to like some of his work- rosemarys baby still my favorite. fearless vampire killers is pretty superb as well. polanski is a pos though
@@ATECRIO I think he might be saying/suggesting that even the "official narrative" surrounding LINCOLN'S death in 1865 is not all its cracked up to be--there have even been questions raised regarding Booth's involvement, and Secretary of State Stanton. But since THAT event has crossed the threshold of what could be considered "ancient" history, even a paranoid "tin-foil-hat-wearer" such as myself will look at that with detached amusement.
@@MJAce85 no it's all groups. Every last one. Cause the minute you speak something that does fit the narrative or agenda of said group you're immediately a target. I don't need groups. I prefer isolation. I hope these groups die out. ALL of them.
When I worked in San Bernardino, there was a bartender at the Maruko. Her mom used to take her up to the Spahn Ranch sometimes. Charlie gave her a balloon.
One of my earliest memories is being in downtown L.A. (We lived in the suburbs, about 30 miles away from downtown, but we would go downtown every once in awhile to pick things up like...copies of our birth certificates for school/sports activities. I’m guessing that’s why we were there that day). I must have been about 3 years old. This day stands out in my memory... I remember walking down the street with my mom and older siblings. We were walking near the courthouse...there were a bunch of people outside the courthouse. And I just remember my mom redirecting us to cross the street from all the courthouse commotion...she grabbed my hand aggressively...and her grip on my hand was so tight it was hurting me as she half dragged me across the street. I remember looking at all the commotion and seeing two women with X’s on their foreheads heading towards the courthouse. I didn’t put it together until I was a teenager.
Several Beach Boys songs are partially credited to Gregg Jakobson, but he was in management, not even a hobbyist musician. I suspect those songs were written by Manson, like Never Learn Not to Love, which is known as fact to have been written by Manson and paid for under the table by Dennis Wilson. The same guy listed as writer of all the songs credited to Jacobson
I did my 12th grade year end term paper on the Manson murders and only used Helter Skelter and news source materials for reference. I wish this book was available at the time because that would have made the paper way more interesting. Like people saying that the ranch had undercover agents and was under surveillance for months before the murders is crazy!
He described a 21 century corporate executive. Fierce bullying followed by pathetic begging, then fiercely threatening then grotesque pleading. On and on. No shame and no honour.
The term Conspiracy theorists was made up and propagated in the 50s by the CIA to discredit the in the know individuals.. Believe 60% of what you hear. All stories start from somewhere. You just have to decipher what's been added or left out as stories change hands. Sometimes stories are entirely made up and put out by other governments to throw off people from the truth. Take for instance China unleashing the claim that 5G is responsible for covid 19 deaths. They pushed that story to cover up the fact the Virus came from wuhans level 4 lab. It was proven 2 weeks before it even made it to America. You will see that in MSM over the next couple of months be released to the public little by little.. I knew about it in mid December... China lied about 2,000 infected when in mid December the numbers was already 90,000+.... Google has buried the original video but people still reposting it so the dates will be later..
@@n.randall6152 The USA made covid, planted it in wuhan, China was becoming a very big threat to the U.S.A, now with the world thinking China is at fault, there will be more backing against China.
@ManSon Rising How about this you shitheel amateur, you want to speculate on some shit that didn't even happen because you THINK it was going to go down like that? Whilst dog whistling? 1. Go fuck yourself, civ. 2. Educate yourself on the 1921 Tulsa Race Riots before you bring your fanfiction back in here.
@ManSon Rising...none...no legal or illegal drugs/medications, no alcohol, low sugar, low caffeine, and no fluoride. That’s why my mind and body are clear from toxic, mind numbing chemicals. I get a lot of fresh air and exercise too. I can’t be brainwashed like 99% of the masses. I’m good. I live in TRUTH. Sorry you are cut off from Truth. It requires discipline, but cut the chemical $hi+ you put in your body and meditate.
@ManSon Rising my original reply was not to you, it was to the original comment, and it wasn’t meant to be understood by everyone. Some people understood, most didn’t. Try meditation. It will help with your anger🙏🏻
Charlie didn’t pick that house. Tex did. Tex had been in LA hanging out with a buddy of his prior to joining The Family. Tex and his buddy had been to 10050 Cielo Dr several times for parties. Tex knew the layout of the house and that made things easier.
tex...a two bit drug dealer was hanging with celebs? give me a break charlie himself said it had to do with melcher the labiancas had the family kicked out of a neighbor's home tex was not in control of the cult, charlie was and the only reason tex was at the ranch is because charlie pimped out his girls MANSON WAS A MONSTER
@@thewkovacs316 -. Believe what you want. There is no solid “true story” about this. Bugliosi claimed he knew the real story and wrote Helter Skelter to tell it. Helter Skelter is a hotbed of lies. Watch the RUclips videos where Joe Rogan is interviewing Tom O’Neill who wrote the book Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties. I have not read it so I can’t speak to the book, only to what was said in the interviews. Actually there are 2 interviews. 1 about the “Tex tapes” which is 20 hours of conversation between Tex and his lawyer when Tex was first arrested. Whatever is on those tapes is the very first account told by one of the killers of what happened. A week later Susan Atkins version came out. Of course the Tex tapes were under attorney-client privilege. But Tex’s attorney died in 2008 or thereabouts. His law firm went into bankruptcy in 2012 and the tapes were in the custody of the trustee. Somehow LAPD got a hold of them and locked them up. At one point Sharon’s sister Debra and Jay Sebring’s nephew were told to come to a meeting to listen to the tapes. Then the LAPD decided Nope not going to release the tapes because according to LAPD there was stuff on there that had to remain secret because it was somehow pertinent to unsolved crimes and/or pending investigations. What is speculated to be on the tapes is the real motive for the murders and information about other murders that The Manson Family did that are either unknown to the police or unsolved. The other interview is about how the “true story” as per Bugliosi is a crock. It goes into some crazy ass stuff about Bugliosi. He was mentally ill and thought that the milkman was the father of his oldest child and how he stalked and harassed the milkman and his wife. It’s pretty kooky. They also discuss how Bugliosi had witnesses lie under oath and other shenanigans he pulled to try to ensure he got a conviction on the girls and Charlie. And that was a tough one. He had to prove conspiracy, that Charlie ordered the murders because Charlie was not present at either the Tate house or the LaBianca house *while* the murders were taking place. Bugliosi was NOT about to lose to a group of killer hippies so he did whatever he could to increase his chances of winning whether it was legal, ethical, moral or not. Here’s the deal about Tex and 10050 Cielo Dr. Tex came to California to hang with one of his buddies. He was probably there for a couple of months at least before he joined The Family. Tex and his buddy were just kickin’ it. Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ roll. I’m not sure if the parties started while Melcher lived there or when Sharon did. Could be both. I don’t know a whole lot about Melcher. But Roman was a beast. He regularly had drug fueled orgies at the house and he videoed them to watch with his friends. He forced Sharon to participate against her will. I don’t think there was a doorman with a guest list screening who entered. If there was an orgy going on and people were high, I doubt if anyone gave a sh*t who came in. So, yeah, in the “sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ roll” years in the late ‘60’s people were more carefree about who they partied with, about hitchhiking, and about who they had sex with. Charlie himself hob nobbed with famous people - Dennis Wilson of The Beach Boys (Charlie and the Family moved right on in to Dennis’ house and lived there for a while), so Charlie met Brian Wilson and Mike Love. Charlie knew Neil Young. They were friends. Charlie saw Sharon Tate a few times at Dennis’ house. Charlie was actually on the guest list of some celebrities. He was on the guest list for a party at Mama Cass Elliot’s house so he knew The Mamas and the Papas. Charlie met Michael Caine, Jackson Browne, and Angela Lansbury’s daughter Didi. Charlie himself might’ve said it had to do with the Tooth Fairy. You can’t believe anything Charlie said. He was a habitual liar. He was a con man. He told people what they wanted to hear, true or not. He was also manipulative.So “Charlie said” is less than nothing. There is zero credibility with what he said. Here’s why it DIDN’T have to do with Melcher even if Melcher and his mother Doris Day thought so. Charlie knew that Melcher did not live in that house anymore. He had gone to the house to talk to Melcher on the night that Sharon was packing for her trip to Europe. Her photographer was there and he answered the door. Charlie asked for Melcher. The photographer said that no one by that name lived there. Charlie asked to use the phone. Sharon went to get it and before she got back the photographer had told Charlie to get lost. The photographer said maybe Melcher lived in the guest house. But he told Manson to walk along the dirt path and not across the yard to get to the guest house. It was the owner of the property Rudy Altobelli who was living in the guesthouse. He told Charlie that Melcher had moved out months ago and that Charlie should get off the property and quit bothering his tenets. Rudy Altobelli was also leaving for Europe the next day on the same plane as Sharon. This is why the caretaker William Garretson was living in the guesthouse at the time of the murders. Sharon came back home before Altobelli did because she was waiting for her baby to be born. Roman Polanski was still in London working on a film. He came home as soon as he heard the news. Not only did Charlie know that Melcher didn’t live in the house on Cielo Drive anymore, he actually knew where Melcher was living at the time which was in his mother’s beach house. Charlie knew where the beach house was, so if he had wanted to hurt or kill Melcher he knew where to go to do that or where to send his followers to do that. Apparently he had no intention of that because Melcher was left safe and sound. In fact, there are witnesses who saw Manson and Melcher together in the same place talking two separate times after the murders. So if Charlie wanted Melcher dead, Melcher would’ve been dead. I believe that there are a couple of reasons why Manson targeted the LaBiancas. First, as you say, at one time Manson and the family were living in an RV or something in the driveway of Harold True’s house which is two doors down from the LaBiancas. They were partying of course and making a lot of noise. Charlie believed that the LaBiancas were the one who called a noise complaint in to the Police. Also Charlie had been driving around LA for 3 hours looking for a house to hit. He looked at one but saw children’s toys through the window and left. I guess he didn’t want to kill or traumatize kids. He didn’t want to hit the house next door to Harold True’s because he thought that choosing the house next door could point the police towards him. Also The Family needed money and fast. Bobby Beausoleil had gotten a bad batch of mescaline from Gary Hinman and sold it to the Straight Satans biker gang. The bikers wanted their money back or they were going to kill Charlie and others. Bobby tortured Gary for 2-3 days. Gary never gave the money back. Charlie gave the kill order and Bobby killed Gary. But they still didn’t have money. They got $70 the night before at the Tate house but that wasn’t enough. I don’t know if they knew the LaBiancas owned a chain of grocery stores or not but they knew they were well off. That’s where they got the rest of the money apparently since the Straight Satans didn’t kill them. Charlie was in control of The Family, not Tex. That’s true. But Charlie put Tex in charge of the murders since Charlie wasn’t going to be there to give moment by moment orders. The girls were told to do whatever Tex said. Tex met Charlie when Tex was hitchhiking and Dennis Wilson picked him up and Dennis took Tex to Dennis’ house. Charlie and the Family were living there at the time. Tex and Charlie hit it off right away and with the sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ roll that Charlie and Dennis were handing out, Tex found himself a home. I’m not disputing the fact that Charlie was a monster. He absolutely was. But Tex was a monster too. And I think Tex is actually the bigger monster because Tex actively participated in every single murder except Gary Hinman. That’s 8 people and a viable unborn baby. The girls helped with the killing but Tex personally shot, stabbed, tried to strangle, beat, kicked , and or pistol whipped every last one except Hinman. That’s up close and personal brutal bloody murder. He felt their warm blood. He saw it. Her saw the terror on their faces, he heard their cries and he felt nothing. No empathy, no mercy, no remorse, nothing. Tex and Charlie were both sociopaths/psychopaths I’m saying Tex was worse, but really we don’t know which one was worse.
I know basically nothing about all of this, but the official narrative always struck me as being dubious. If they were sent to kill someone who didn't live there anymore, why not just take off after realizing he wasn't there? I think Manson & his pals knew a lot more about what went on in Polanski's house than we've been led to believe. Maybe he knew about the underaged stuff or maybe he didn't, but I think if that place wasn't an orgy crib, Manson's friends wouldn't have been there murdering people.
@@miguelito2361- There’s a lot of dubious stuff about this. Bugliosi’s book Helter Skelter just adds more. There are some plausible reasons. In the late ‘60’s it certainly did appear that a race war might break out. I don’t think Charlie actually believed what he preached on that though. He used it to manipulate and control his followers by fear. If you’re with Charlie and he’s telling you that soon a race war will break out and he’s the only one who can keep you safe in his hidey hole in the desert you’re going to be scared and you’ll be sticking with Charlie. and doing as he tells you. They weren’t sent to kill someone who didn’t live there. Charlie knew Melcher didn’t live there anymore. Charlie also knew exactly where Melcher did live. If Charlie had wanted Melcher dead, Melcher would’ve been dead. Charlie’s orders to Tex were to kill everyone who was there. I’m not sure if Charlie knew which house they were going to or not. Tex picked the house because he knew the layout. I don’t think Charlie cared which house they went to. He just wanted it to be the house of famous well off white people. I’ve never heard of your speculation about Charlie knowing about Roman and underage girls. It is possible, though. Roman was a beast. Before he married Sharon he told her that she was not to try to change him. Meaning that he was promiscuous. He hosted and attended orgies. He was going to have affairs with whoever, wherever. He would go out trolling for hookers and once he found one he brought her home to have a threesome with him and Sharon despite Sharon’s protest. There’s one video that had Sharon being forced to have sex with 2 men at the same time. Sharon protests and Roman’s voice can be heard although he’s never seen. Apparently he was the one filming it. It just all sounds like a big mess to me. I want them all kept in prison until they die just like Susan and Charlie. Steve Grogan is the only one of the killers who’s been released. He only participated in 1 murder - Donald “Shorty” Shea. He was 17 at the time of the murder and he had some kind of mental disorder or developmental delay. The police said that if he’d show them where Shea was buried, they’d get him released on parole. He showed them, he got released in 1985 and as far as I know he hasn’t done any criminal activity since being released. So I’m ok with him being out. The others - Patricia, Leslie, Tex, Bobby Davis, and Bobby Beausoleil can stay in prison until they die.
Thumbs up for reminding the world Roman Polanski is a monster. Remember the list of celebrities who signed a petition for his exoneration
Is there list? How can we find it?
@@LoganDrew-go8cz Fuck. How can I ever watch one of Scorsese's movie again?
food for thought: the girls that committed the Tate murders were actually child sex abuse victims of Polanski and his friends. if the tape of Tate's rape is real, and if the sex abuse stories Manson describes from his days in orphanages/boarding schools are real, that would indicate a motive for the Manson family much more coherent than what is officially presented
Quentin Tarantino thinks Roman didn’t do anything wrong. He loves Roman. He went on the Howard K. Stern show and went into great detail about how the 14 year old girl and her mom are the ones to blame
@@tompetlach848 . I had heard this before. Drug trading was involved. And some sort of sex crimes retaliation. The whole Helter Skelter thing was facade.
Manson looked into Scientology
and said Naw that’s nuts.
It's hilarious that his warden was happy that Manson had found something that was engaging him.
So did Elvis, he said they were only after his money.
That's funny shit.
Brendan Cronin met plenty of people like him, fortunately they’re too lazy and uncharismatic enough to not commit similar atrocities
Manson scientology nexium and over the years are only some of the CIA mind control operations hunter s Thompson.... hollyweird is now a loaded weapon and propaganda tool against the people and the whole world
And Hollywood still gives Polanski standing ovations led by Streep proving just how repugnant those hills can get.
@@splinejones4489 ,
You’re absolutely right I saw her defend him, it’s repugnant and very telling on her part…..
Hollywood is truly a pit for the unscrupulous.
@@mickeyandres2651 ...
"Horror-wood" is a PIT of pure evil. However, not everyone involved in that "nasty network" is malevolent and devoid of a conscience, but, many are blackmailed into colluding and conspiring with the vile "illumine - naughties" satanic agenda.
@@splinejones4489whoopi is a very vile person
Hollywood is disgusting.
Why don't any citizens grow some balls and do what needs to be done?
It's hard to believe that Sharon Tate would be near 80 years old today, and her unborn child would be in their fifties. A entire lifetime snuffed out.
A Satanic ritual that was a psyop. The ritual was not reality.
Oh hey but her "twin sister"
@@HxThomison That's called a fragment.
Sad sad 😢
@robertkees6048 I know. I had just turned 10 in August 1969 right before it happened. It was front page news & the radio & TV reported it nonstop. It took them a while to figure out who did the murders, & when they found them, the coverage was unreal. I saw the TV movie "Helter Skelter", based on Bugliosi's book, which I read later. I remember somebody online commenting that Charles Manson killed the 60's. Pretty spot on.
I still can't believe more people don't talk about Roman Pulaski being a monster I'm glad to see these two calling him what he is
His name still gets a round of applause at Hollywood award ceremonies. Hollywood is a fucked up place really
Its Polanski. How is he a monster?
@@tomasvlcek4476 hes wanted in the USA for the rape of an underage girl. Hes living in Poland and they wont extradite him
*He's living in France, not Poland*
when you are the liberal elite, you get your sins covered
@@tomasvlcek4476 did you hear the part about him having his girl raped in the video we are all commenting on......seriously
Amazes me how the same people who support the Me too movement would give Roman Polanski a standing ovation. These are the same people giving speeches at the Academy Awards lecturing us.
They all are fake. I don’t like feminism bc I feel like it fights all the wrong things most of the time and produces more toxicity than good. I think it is fine though to appreciate Polanski for his work bc he was a great filmmaker despite being a monster but I do want to puke at all those hypocrites in Hollywood. They all just want to make money and save their own ass.
I have same thoughts. Hollywood; Babylon
Me Too movement is the anti-jew movement, no councidence most of the real victims are jewish. That is, the people blamed. I am ANTI ME TOO and PRO ISREAL
It's a club. Winstien was a sacrificial pig.
Hypocrisy is a major pillar of their ideology or religion
FBI and CIA involvement with Manson is nefarious
You mean the fact that they created CIA and they put him under MKUltra
@nin_po...And getting WORSE. FBI dispatched by Biden's handlers to capture license plates of concerned parents at PTA meetings. For future harassment!
The Minority Report was predictive programming.
M k ultra was the Manson family, They made a lot of money off this case and still do.
@@cindy7400 can you explain this further?
@@stregalilith Manson has been used for yrs by them they basically brought him up as a child , Boys town special operation, a chaos creator! Look into yourself!
My son read Chaos and recommended it to me. I listened to it on audio during a trip and I was enthralled!!! If you haven't read this book, you have got to.
Next try: Weird Scenes From Inside The Canyon by Dave McGowan.
Similar topics.
It's absolutely crazy how much CHAOS blows the original story to smithereens! I appreciated how O'Neill says in the book "I don't KNOW what the real story is, I just have evidence to prove that the OFFICIAL story is false!" instead of throwing out different theories, etc. That's good journalism right there. Also, as the other commenter states, the book about Laurel Canyon is also crazy good.
When someone who has spent 20 years writing a book about a single event says "I hate to speculate", you know he means it.
I was born on the night of the first Manson murders, at almost the same time they were occurring. True story.
@@tommiddlefinger6188 Tate's father was military Intelligence, he worked out of a building at the top of the hill where those murders took place, go back and look at the murder scene photos and see if they look real, can you say False Flag, nobody knew Tate had a little sister until she died
@@MrBlazingup420 stoner logic. What difference does it make about the little sister ?
@@stephenbradleyadams I assume there was no sister, just a change of names?
@@stevescuba1978 she has a sister who went to every parole hearing to make sure not of the killers were ever paroled. I’m not sure what your are implying though ?
When authors go on JRE it’s a constant battle to give a good answer and not spoil the book they just spent years writing
I understand its tough for the author but like dude you're on one of the biggest podcasts ever, you aren't here to advertise your book. so annoying to constantly hear "i discuss this in the book..."
@@snorfietsers4006 No, thats EXACTLY why he was there. He's there to promote the new book he spent 20 years writing, he obviously doesn't want to spoil it on the biggest podcast on the planet
@@kiwione12 lol I guarantee you Joe Rogan did not ask him to come on the show to promote his book, gtfoh
@@snorfietsers4006 lol I guarantee you Tom O'Neill did not come on the show to spoil and not promote his book, gtfoh
@@kiwione12 I'm not saying he didn't lol??? I'm saying it's annoying that he did. Did you even read the comment you originally replied to? If you did you would realize you agree with me
Anyone who thinks that polanski and the ruling class / elite had nothing to do with all of this debauched ghoulishness, is quite mad.
He’s a monster for sure, I choose to believe that the house was truly high profile. Manson is Frankensteins monster just like whitey burger and all other test subjects from MK Ultra. They’re lab rats got out and fucked up the world
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You really have to read the whole book. It is clear who ordered the slaughter. It was the government and the reasons are well explained in the book. For Polanski, it is also clear he had nothing to do with it.
Manson was a CIA asset
Manson was a CIA asset
I was in LA when the trial was going on and paying attention although I wasn't a lawyer yet. Three things stand out to me after reading Tom O'Neill's book: 1) Vince Bugliosi was a known liar, very ambitious, and would say anything to enhance his image; 2) in thirty years as a lawyer, much of it practicing in Los Angeles, I have rarely seen anything as meticulously documented as Tom O'Neill's book, "Chaos"; 2) I was a law student extern at the ACLU a few years later and the information Tom has on COINPRO is spot on. Further, Tom's father was a well regarded member of the legal profession and helped him document his findings in an honest, ethical and professional manner. To me, Tom O'Neill's reportage is credible.
COINTELPRO
Counter Intelligence Program.
Not being pedantic. The correct spelling and understanding of the term are important for others to be able to research who don’t know what it is.
@@Durpydurp4488👍 Thanks
@@Durpydurp4488 you’re right. I was in too much of a hurry late at night. Thx for the correction.
@@stregalilith it’s all good. I try to educate people about this one program all the time. Once you understand this you understand how trusting the government is never the right way.
@@Durpydurp4488I knew what he meant. Not everyone feels the need to point out misspelled errors, etc.
My mother went to school with the LaBianca children. She can't even hear about the crimes it's so upsetting knowing her lovely classmates lost their parents this way. We often forget the victims of this crime and focus on the infamy and celebrity of the perpetrators. The son was just a normal, happy, popular high school student who lost his whole family and privacy. So tragic.
I absolutely hate how the perpetrators are always the focus of these crimes. The victims seems to get lost in the process except they aren’t forgotten by the people who love them. I hate our society that loves talking crime.
Show her the crimescene photos
@@johnnycash1365 Show yourself out! Creep.
I went to John Marshall High in the Early 70's, we were creeped out just walking or driving past the house.
“The Murder’s also caused Actor Iian Quarrier, who stared with Sharon Tate in The Fearless Vampire Hunter’s; to go into a Severe Depression!”
Iian was living in Montreal at the time, and Slowly slipped out of the Movie Industry altogether from what I’ve gathered!
The number of Hollywood types who simply ignore the evil of Polanski is astounding. No excuse for what The Family did to Sharon Tate and the other victims, what they had to endure was despicable.
What do you mean by "evil of Polanski"?
@@KLRN-qc7jp As well as the mention in the clip that he forced Sharon Tate to have sex with other men while he taped it Polanski is a peadophile and cannot re-enter the USA as there is an open warrant for him having sex with a 13 year old in Jack Nicholson's Malibu mansion after he drugged her. Just look up the list of Hollywood types who signed the petition to allow him to return the States.
@@misterpurple4089 First of all there is no evidence of Polanski forcing Tate to do anything. Some guy tells to the other guy that he heard from a completelly different guy that there is a video tape that supposedly confirms that. That's evidence to you? You Hamburgers are crazy. All you have to do is point a finger at a man and he is finished. No evidence needed.
Polanski is no pedo. He was drunk and high as crap and the mother of the girl dressed her up and sent to Polanski's house. She wanted this to happen. The girl herself, as an adult woman even said that she forgave him and asked everybody to leave him alone. There were no further accounts of him ever having these kind of sexual relations in the future.
Polanski might be perverse. But evil? Monster? Only in a nation where misandry is as natural as breathing could someone come up with such stupid idea.
Polanski went through living hell in his life. He really loved Sharon Tate. Her death broke him and he is carrying that scar in his heart until today. Spitting on this man's suffering like that is just disgusting and inhuman.
@@KLRN-qc7jp Calling bullshit on that, she was 13 and if he couldn't control himself because he was drunk then he is even more of a monster. If she forgave him as you suggest then I am at a loss as to why she sued him. Obvious you didn't watch the full interview or perhaps you believe he is a Saint just like Harvey Weinstein did. Funny how a serial rapist signs the petition for a child molester to be allowed back into the country.
@@MagnumTriumph Well in that case I guess that you shoud stay away from kids and get into somekind of therapy.
I've never been able to reconcile just how Bugliosi could be such an ace prosecutor and brilliant author of Helter Skelter.....and at the same time be such a vociferous proponent of the Warren Commission's findings, the lone nut assassin and the magic bullet....Now I know....Great interview.
O'Neill is a charlatan. He wants to throw shade on Bugliosi's reputation to please all of his conspiracy loon friends who make living promoting lies and speculation and never have any actual evidence. Bugliosi and (Gerald Posner) have conclusively shown there's only evidence vs OSWALD.
It's because the Warren Commission WAS CORRECT. That's WHY. All the conspiracy books about Oswald have been discredited. The Oliver Stone film completely discredited as a fabrication, using information that was debunked numerous times: very sloppy research. This author also DOES NOT PROVIDE ANY EVIDENCE OF THE CIA'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE TATE MURDERS. Only speculation. Conspiracy Theories in search of PROOF.
You know the magic bullet was made up by Oliver stone right?
Wrong, it was Arlen Specter@@ShortArmOfGod
The “magic Bullet” is just conspiracy theory nonsense that has been thoroughly debunked. Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.
My friend Tom found Sharon Tate’s body. It was his first day on the PD. He quit and became a lawyer.
👌. My aunt’s neighbors 3rd cousin’s real estate agent originally sold the Cielo house to Rudi Altobelli. He was gay.
@@paulvoorhies8821I knew the guy that did Obama's laundry while he was in office. Said Michelle's underwear were all stretched out in the front. Similar to how a well endowed man's would be.
My brother’s grandmothers uncles boyfriends 9th cousin built the house
The housekeeper found the bodies…
I used to do their yard work on Cielo Dr in my past life 😮
Who else goes straight to the comments to see if the vid is worth watching? Lol
Here. Beatin it to the Krenwinkle Finkle Fiddler Satan Snatch. Feel meh? Wassup..?
Always
Who else here makes comments just for the sake of having likes? Sellout
I always do.
Yup
Thank god Brad Pitt was there with his dog.
Good thing you have that can dog food ready. He had a real good follow-through too.
That was great, almost forgot I was watching a Tarantino movie up to that point.
Brandy is her name
high on acid
Now that was funny.
Manson is the definition of crazy and Polanski is, to put it politely not a nice person, neither
why Hollywood give those abusive men (Polanski, Woody Allen, Kinski, Weinstein etc) the credits for being "geniuses" is beyond me.
I agree.
Because they are all perverts.
Not the only case of the French neither extraditing NOR prosecuting a ray pist
He probably knew important people there
I think there's room for nuance. Calling bad people scumbags and giving credit for good work are not mutually exclusive. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with giving credit to the quality of someone's work even though they're bad people, but ignoring the bad things people do and praising them as good guys because they've been involved in good art are steps too far imo. I have no issue with anyone saying they love any of Polanski's movies (for example, Chinatown is superb) or simply pointing out the objective fact that Harvey Weinstein helped produce a lot of great and deservedly beloved movies so long as they also acknowledge that both men are guilty of doing some terrible things. What's absolutely disgusting and objectionable is the extent to which people in the industry have tried to ignore Weinstein's abuse of power or how some have tridd to get Polanski off his charges so he can come back to America. THAT, at the very least, is culpability with evil, not simply enjoying any of the good things they've worked on.
That's right Manson never committed a single murder in his life but yet his parole was denied the three women that actually cut the baby out of Sharon Tate was paroled. Now please tell me if we don't have a Judicial problem in America
What are u even talking about
1, I'm sure he did kill at some point...Sadie died in prison from brain cancer
@KJSPUN1021 what do you mean ?? Did you not understand the comment ?? Maybe READ IT AGAIN
The baby wasn't cut out.
I'm quite sure the baby was. And no one proved man son killed anyone. And a few got paroled. What's up with Bobby Beaulieu and tex watson
I'm beginning to think Earth is a conspiracy.
It's flat around the corners.
it is
Yeah dude, I'm turning all this stuff off for awhile, inserting head into sand. I will never have enough information to know what F is going on in this world.
may I join you on your quest?
@@CelticAngloPress2nd enough with your Jewish conspiracies dude. That's Nazi propaganda. I'm not saying there aren't bad Jews in power, of course there are and they are disproportionately represented but don't go down that slippery slope man... You took the black pill.
This is easily one of the best interviews Joe's ever done. Highly underrated in my opinion.
Really good, but I couldn't listen to this guy without hearing Donald Sutherland
There's at least one of these on every video lol
I say the same…only because not alot of this information is being Maintreamed.
I was born at almost the same time these murders were talking place (the first ones).
I agree. I was 18 at the time this happened and I was fascinated, I felt we only got a fraction of the facts. Guess I was right.
There's a lot of info that people never heard before in that book, but one thing that surprised me is that there was no mention of Bugliosi's assistant who was murdered during the trial. He was found beheaded I think in the Sespe Creek area of Ojai. I will never forget that because I was hiking in that area the weekend that it happened.
He was not beheaded. He was crushed in an avalanche in a crevasse. Some say it was homicide. It was ruled and certainly looked like an accident.
It wasn’t Bugliosi’s assistant; it was Leslie Van Houten’s defense attorney, Ronald Hughes.
@@jaydemartin7295👍😜
@@jaydemartin7295Agreed.
I remember a mention of a certain lawyer found dead in a swimming pool. Not sure if it's the same guy you're talking about .So much truth was hidden from this sad, grizzly event And then @ a week later, Woodstock occurs in NY.Peace on the Eastcoast, but not the west coast.
This is the first time I've ever heard anything about Roman being abusive to Sharon. Although, I've always wondered if Roman could've possibly orchestrated the whole thing. After listening to this guy, it doesn't seem so crazy. If Roman truly was a monster, then he could have easily paid Terry to hire someone to get rid of Sharon. So Terry seeks out Manson, who may have been the one lunatic he knew who could pull this off. If the payment was setup as half upfront, and rest paid after the deed was done, it would've given Terry a very legitimate reason to visit Manson at the ranch after the murders. I've always been unusually attached to this case, and after watching Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, all I could think of was why anyone that wealthy would leave their pregnant spouse alone, without any security measures in place. It makes more sense than attacking just a random house, for some obscure vendetta against the previous tenants.
Now you just gave me something to think about! I never looked at this topic in this light Thanks 😎👍
Look up Roman Polanski abortion Tate on google. I read the book by Ed Sanders and according Sharon’s friends, Polanski wanted to fly Tate down to Brazil to have a partial birth abortion by a witch Doctor! Interesting don’t you think?
Nah.
Wait, so is that a the thesis of the book? Or presented as a possibility?
I have heard that Polanski is a satanist. If that is true, sacrificing his child through murder would, in his mind, earn him great favor from satan.
Manson knew that Terry Melcher no longer lived at that house. Several months prior to the murders Manson visited that house thinking Terry Melcher still lived there and Sharon Tate was there. That is a common misconception that Manson didn't know who lived at that house
Manson didn't care who lived there
Manson "creepy crawled" the "Doris Day" Malibu home Melcher was staying at and took a set of binoculars, then called Melcher and asked if he was "missing something"...
While it’s true that Manson did stop at the house while Sharon Tate was there, I don’t believe he had a clue who she was.
Manson selected the Tate house because he knew the floorplan. Period. He was trying to deflect the premeditation charge by stating it was a random house.
well, we don't know for sure what Manson thought. He might've thought they were lying to him and that the people there were Terry's guests. Either way, he wanted to kill rich, Hollywood types. But he did have it in for Terry, so maybe he thought the renters were friends of Terry's. Charlie and his followers aren't exactly consistent or honest about their motives. Charlie never fesses up to being a pissed off, failed artist who just wanted to get back at someone who basically knew he had no musical talent.
This guy is easily one of the most interesting historians if you could even call him that to watch. Makes news from when my father was born sound like it happened yesterday. Great job.
nah, not even close
Tangent for sure but you have a point
THESE MURDERS HAPPENED THE NIGHT I WAS BORN. I WAS BEING BORN ALMOST AT THE SAME TIME THE MURDERS WERE HAPPENING ABOUT 100 MILES AWAY.
@@campbellpaul Stay out of it Paul.
I don’t know that’s really the reason he’s good. I think he’s good because he has a great research instinct and questions narratives rather than accepting everything without verification.
Vincent Bugliosi came to Indiana University in 1976, and gave a presentation called Helter Skelter. He gave a talk after screening the film and it was very interesting. Most of us knew very little about the case, and we gave him a standing ovation at the end.
The claim that Polanski had forced Sharon to have sex with other men and filmed it came as quite a shock. Although what he did to the 14 year old girl was bad. What I have noticed about him is that all his movies tend to be very dark and involve abuse, often of women. Sharon should have stuck with Jay Sebring, whom she left for Polanski. Jay died while trying to protect her. I believe Manson was just an ex con who had learned mind control techniques while in prison and knew how to say what people wanted to hear. His followers were vulnerable people at a time when young people were looking for gurus and answers. Manson just used and exploited them - although it doesn't excuse what they did. The whole Manson thing never really made any sense to me - the hippy movement was about peace, love and opposition to materialism and the Vietnam war. Murdering innocent people because they were famous and wealthy just didn't add up nor was in keeping with the hippy ethos.
Have you seen the little piggies crawling in the dirt? And for all the little piggies life is getting worse. - Beatles; 'Piggies'
But the whole Helter Skelter ordeal/story killed the hippy movement. If the c I a wanted to stop the whole peace live, anti war movement, what better way to do it
yeah the cia definitely infiltrated the counter culture movement. LSD was a big part of the MKULTRA trials as well. They said they discontinued that program but I highly doubt it. Manchurian candidates are a very real thing and scary af
You hinted at it: "opposition to materialism." It's small step from vilifying 'materialism' & then targeting ACTUAL PEOPLE GUILTY OF IT. The same can be said for villainizing terms like 'white privilege' & 'white tears' & even 'white phrases' & how they are a small step at vilifying 'WHITENESS' to then targeting ACTUAL WHITE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSEDLY ALL GUILTY OF IT.
The hippy movement was actually about lazy self-centered hedonism. They invented the peace, love, and anti-materialism narrative as cover and rationalization for their true motives. Hedonists care about no one but themselves and tend to fill up with hatred toward those who have more than them. And of course they're not above lying to present themselves in the best possible light.
I read Tom O'Neill's book after I first saw this interview and recommend it. Very readable and informative. Very well documented. This man dedicated his life to exposing corruptions behind the scene.
What’s the name of Tom O’Neils book?
Can we get a little insight to it in your own words?
@@bonezilla8191 chaos the secret history of the 60s
Thank you for your recommendation for the book! This will definitely going to be the next book I read.
Book is fantasy
This is why one should remain skeptical in cases like this, anything can potentially be covered up, fabricated, distorted. Don't trust "official" narratives at face value, think for yourself and research for yourself.
Would you apply that to the OJ Simpson trial? There was a lot of talk that it was really a drug killing, not OJ. Then, after the "not guilty" OJ verdict, Bugliosi made a 7+ hour video after the verdict trying to convince everyone that OJ was the killer, even though there was other evidence that suggested otherwise. I never understood why Bugliosi tried so hard to convince people that OJ did it. Listening to Tim O'Neill makes me question Bugliosi even more. Brian Heiss on RUclips did a thorough analysis proving that OJ didn't do it. You can check out his channel. OJ's defense team said they had enough witnesses and evidence to prove that it was a drug killing, not OJ, but the judge, for some unexplained reason, didn't want to allow it in the courtroom. I, like many, thought that was kind of odd. Your thoughts?
@@23_Knows_ALL the OJ situation was the biggest media lie ever.
@@23_Knows_ALL the time-line alone proves it doesn't take a thorough examination to figure out OJ didn't do it. All that other shit Brian Heiss covered on his channel is just icing on the cake.
I think there's a lot more to that story than we'll ever know. Drug killing? Probably...Lee Bailey said on a podcast shortly before his death that he had got word that the men who were responsible were subsequently murdered as well, because Nicole & Ron weren't the real targets. But saying that kind of stuff in the mainstream makes you look like a crazy person.
@@23_Knows_ALL I've tried to figure out why the media would go so far to try and make a clearly innocent man look guilty. The only thing I can come up with is money. "OJ is Guilty" has been a billion dollar industry.
Sadly, I think it's really that simple..
@@drewlavay Yes, I agree, the media lied and continues to lie to people for money for sure. The ratings are always super high whenever anything about OJ Simpson gets air time. I think if people looked into the cops in the trial a little further, then investigated the whole department further, they'd discover a whole lot of police misconduct that might set a lot of people in prison free. This might have then made the public or what would be considered too many citizens completely distrust the whole justice system (the irony in that), and politicians or whoever had the power to make those decisions probably didn't think that all would end well. I was thinking some police tampering maybe was taking place in Bugliosi's famous Manson case, with even Bugliosi taking part of it since there are other irregularities in the Manson case too. Maybe the cops tampered and manufactured with evidence in the Manson trial at Bugliosi's request. If that's true, then it would make sense for Buglisosi to use all his might to debunk the police tampering narrative in the Simpson trial so that no one comes dangerously close to finding out him and other cops (from the same LAPD that investigated the OJ trial) tampered with evidence and possibly lied in court in order to win the Manson trial that made Bugliosi famous. Bugliosi wouldn't want that to blow up in his face and lose his "righteous" fame or his "good" name that he's spent so many years crafting. It is possible.
I spoke to Tom Briefly a couple of years ago after reading his book. I believe I ran across a house near Vacaville where some Family members were squatting in 1977... I just wanted to relate the story to him. He was kind to me and receptive and didn't make me feel like an idiot like a few people have over the years when I told them about my experience ( It's a long story ) I highly recommend his book. It makes more sense to me than anything else I have read... These murderers have haunted me since 1969 when I was 11 years old....
Read Strange Tales of Laurel Canyon
Manson was in Vacaville State Prison at that time. I was living in nearby Fairfield.
@Reclining_Spuds The house was out in the middle of nowhere, off of Pleasant Valley Road, about hallway to Lake Berryessa... It was abandoned and I came on it by chance. My ex wife, my cousin's wife and I were out riding one night and I caught a glimpse of something on a gate in front of the property... I thought it was a little kid... It was a dog. A big Doberman. Someone had killed it, cut it open and hung it on the gate... Long story... I took my wife and cousin home, found a cop and rode with him back out there. He didn't want to go over the fence... I said, "Don't you think you should check out that house?" He said, "Are you gonna come with me?" We went up the driveway, about 50 yards and we hear something coming right at us... ( It's pitch black and all he has is his flashlight ) He pulled his weapon and a fucking horse goes running past us... keeps going. SOMEONE had spooked it and ran it towards us...
We get to the house, it's open. Lots of fast food trash, old crap, magzines, blankets. A big Pentagram on the floor in the main room. A glass in the middle, surrounded by candles... they were out, but wax was soft... I said, "Man, let's get the hell outta here..." He was a young cop, probably about 25, 30. I was 18... We were both pretty scared... He dropped me off at my house and said he would write a report about the dog and see if a detective would investigate in daylight.... never heard from him again. Years later, I'm researching a term paper on the Manson family and I learned about their water sharing ritual. I had no idea Manson was in Vacaville in 1977. My wife and I lived off Alamo drive, not far from the prison. I have always believed that some of the Family were squatting in that house... whoever killed that dog was a very sick, evil person. Whoever was squatting in that house KNEW it was there. The gate was locked and the house was only about 100 yards away...
@billreid818 that is really creepy. Nothing surprising coming from that gang.
I worked at the Nut Tree Restaurant as a dishwasher from January to April in 1977. I would get off at midnight and ride my motorcycle right past the prison. That was creepy enough for me.
@Reclining_Spuds My ex worked there at the ice cream shop. I worked at the mobile home factory on El Mira... we had just moved to California... we had a 3 bedroom apt for $175... I had a new car, Pinto Stallion... the note was $78... She made minimum but I was making $5.50 an hour... we thought were living large! Lol! It was a different world, and Fairfield/Vacaville was a sleepy little bedroom community back then. I miss those days... the marriage didn't make it, but we're the parents of a wonderful son and we're still friends.
When I read the book "Helter Skelter," I learned that Charlie Manson had been to the Tate house before. He was rejected in the "rock" world. They all should have gotten the death penalty for what they did.
They DID get the death penalty! California got rid of the death penalty later.
After dealing personally with psychopaths and sociopaths.. I realized the less you ask “why” the better. There is never an answer and they aren’t worth the time thinking about because they are not thinking about anybody but themselves. Period
People are only labeled "psychopaths" and "sociopaths" in dumb internet comment sections. The closest real world diagnosis is anti social personality disorder.
@@davem7173 let me guess you completed 1 semester of psychology at community college and read 2 books by Jordan Peterson?
@@davem7173 I don't know where you got your information but its completely wrong. You have no idea what your talking about. And have no business speaking on this subject matter. Please remain silent until you can back up your absurd claims. Stop spreading misinformation.
@@nathanbrooks2581 Dam! That’s cold!
@@jesseberdowski3148 Nah I work in the mental health field dumb fuck. Show me where in the DSM they have either "Sociopath" or "Psychopath" as an accepted mental health diagnosis?
*_"No Good Gaw'Damn Hippies"_*
- Leonardo DiCaprio
Tarantino wrote that, not some empty vessel actor.
He got that right ✌🍄🌻🌾🏵🌸🌹
Cartman
@@reinforcedpenisstem fuck off you sound super goofy.
@fastguitar BIG DADDY TARANTINO LIKES FEET GET OVER IT
Steve McQueen had been invited to the party that night, but never went. Lucky for him.
You mean lucky for "Tex Watson'
@@Sambone702 Well said!👍
Good interview and solid reporting.
It seems like the last 50 plus years millions of dollars have been made off these poor people. This guy is legit but it seems like alot of people are trying to cash in on this tragedy, these were real people.
Steve Parent was just 18, Jay Sebring didnt think of himself and tried to defend Sharon which Tex killed him, then you have Sharon pleading for her babies life and calling out to her mother. Yeah, these were real people who's stories were turned into mythology.
Let the victims RIP
....maybe people are just searching for the truth.
Sharon didn't call for her mother. It was Abigail Folger that cried out for her mother.
Sharon Tate had been my grandmothers best friend from grade school until she was murdered. My grandmother was prom queen in Vicenza, Italy and Tate was one of the runner-ups.
I've seen pictures of Tate when they were kids. Their parents were military.
You must had a hot grandma!! A GILF!!!
I didn’t think Italy had anything like school dances, let alone prom.
Wow Debbie was my best friend in Italy abs Sharon was like a big sister to me. Spent a lot of time at her house. We were in Verona at that time
@@everythingisaworkinprogres5729 they went to an American school in Italy. They were children of Military
@@terryannmaes5538 oh that makes sense now.
I cooked, stirred and ate an entire box of Kraft macaroni and cheese while watching this, and still nothing registered.
shells and cheese will set you free
TheLance3185 processed cheese is be of the worst inventions man-kind had come up with. Tear-gas has a better approval rating
AColonDashSix Little much there bro. Little much.
Oh thanks I thought something is wrong with me that I had no idea what he just said
I grew up eating that and loved it, never knew it was so full of bad stuff. Can’t bring myself to eat it any more. 😞
Excellent commentary. I read his book and Bugliosi’s, both are very good books.
It’s crazy because since 2016 I complete stopped trusting main stream narratives. Before I saw this I had always looked at how they do stuff now and if they wanted to get rid of the hippy move my then that was the perfect way to do it.
Yep!
@@tiffanyl4829 I take it you too?
@@bradleyroberts6050Thats exactly what I was thinking. It’s so crazy how before when I was a kid, whatever I saw on MSM, I thought it was the 100% truth and that I am the good guy for siding with them. Like you said since 2016, that completely changed for me and its so strange when you look back at history and realize what else was fabricated bullshit. The Manson murders definitely one of those.
Exactly.
What a fascinating interview and Joe Rogan is genuinely interested and engaged. As an English person, I am baffled as to why Joe has been under such recent pressure and attacks as he is the perfect interviewer.
They're trying to destroy him because he makes them all look like idiots. Just by having genuine and respectful conversations with regular people.
@@JorshWarshington1 Amen .. precisely correct!! #GodBlessAllBeings
🙏🏼☺️✨🙏🏼♥️✨🙏🏼✨☺️🙏🏼
Because Joe doesn’t support the state sponsored narratives
The LEFT didn’t like that Joe was discussing alternative methods to curing COVID and had some Dr on his show disputing COVID propaganda. So they tried to “Cancel”Joe, some old musicians cancelled their music on Spotify who sponsored him.Then some obscure blak “singer” found evidence of Joe using the dreaded “N” word 😱 12 years ago!!!! But Joe prevails!!👍🏻👏🏻✊🏻
People are scared of the truth cause they are weak
Author be like "How do I not spoil my book"
Did he imply that the cia committed these murders?
if he does....nobody will buy it
Don't shame someone for securing the bag.
@@chrisrodriguez5934 he did. There's a smaller JRE clip mentioning the CIA.
@@chrisrodriguez5934 No, he didn't. I read the book when it came out. It was a passion project after Premiere (the magazine) shut down. It was supposed to be an article for the 30th anniversary of the murders. But he kept digging and digging, and finding more and more shit. Like, for instance, the fact that Manson was never put away for any of the crimes he committed after he was released in 1967, because his parole officer protected him to no end. That parole officer was involved in studies, funded by institutes that were funded by the CIA, about the how LSD could make people more violent (there were also studies, by the same institutes, posing as free-clinics in San Francisco, about how cannabis could make people more docile - I'm sorry if I'm getting any of these statements wrong, but I've read the book almost a year ago). There are a lot of loose threads in the book, exactly because O'Neill didn't want the book to turn into a conspiracy theory, but it's fascinating nonetheless. Especially the fact that he mentions the murder Beausoleil committed due to a drug deal gone wrong, how Susan Atkins tried to cover for him, trying to redirect that murder to the Black Panthers, writing "pigs" on the wall, way before the Tate-LaBianca murders, etc. I recommend watching "Charles Manson: The Final Words".
What a great book. Hard to put down. Very engrossing. Well written. So many interesting characters.
The true contents of that tape broke my heart. Poor Sharon.
"I'm guilty of thinking I had rights in a courtroom" - Manson
When you are directly responsible for homicides, you do in fact, still have rights, until you are proven to be guilty, which he most certainly was.
@@TywinLannister666 but.. was... He... Sexual?
@@epsteinandsaviledaycarepla3320 what???
@@TywinLannister666 you can't prove he was guilty. Not even the court gave evidence. Well yes, but invented it. Helter skelter wasn't ever a thing (just the name of a night club). They wouldn't even let Manson bring any witness. Totally rigged
Carlos M were the dead bodies rigged ?
At the time of Manson Family, my family lived around 5 miles from the Spawn ranch. We. would see the family in their bus around the neighborhood, they would go to the supermarkets in the area, go through the trash bins for food. My friends and I would wonder about them but never tried to search them out. We decided they were trouble, so perhaps we had some fear. After they were arrested, we knew that we did right thing, by not allowing our curiosity get the best of us.
Spahn
Nothing wrong with getting food from the trash if it is still edible.
That's crazy. Glad you didn't let curious.
Same. The teachers at Chatsworth High warned the students not to go horseback riding up at Spahn. Word had gotten out there was trouble brewing up there at the ranch.
Bullshit
3/3 for books I picked up because of JRE and loved them.
-Chaos by Tom O'Neill
-Fingerprints of the Gods by Graham Hancock
-DMT The Spirit Molecule by Dr Rick Strassman
highly recommend all 3 if you get the chance.
I bought Tom's book because of this interview.
100/100 recommend.
Like Michael Cain says in 'The Dark Knight', "some men just want to watch the world burn". Some men want to see how much they can make someone do. Manson was not insane, just deeply narcissistic, cruel, and curious. A bad combination.
its great how you can get truth just from watching two masons talk
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manson knew polanski and he hated him..that why he got him killed for denying him something...the other stuff is just nonsense
sounds like antifa
@@razkable Polansky was not killed.
I wish the ending to Once Upon A Time in Hollywood was true. Takes a sick, evil demonic soul to kill a pregnant woman.
I went to see it, loved it, and said to the guy next to me, "That is what SHOULD have happened."
Roman Polanski
@@petmomful2260 One of the criminals felt as if she should of been freed, regretting what she did in her youth!
@@MasseurDavis Yes, all of them feel that way, the ones that are still alive.
@@petmomful2260 2, they should get the death penalty, but California is so liberal.
Leslie Van Houten testified to Helter Skelter before Bugliosi was assigned.
You gotta get the book. Chaos on audible is the way to go. Such a great listen
I'll never forget sitting in my parent's house as a kid with some friends playing Monopoly. There was an interuption in the TV broadcast, and a newscaster came on to report that several people had been discovered slain in Los Angeles. It's something I'll always remember.
Sure, like you had nothing to do with it. Something about you feels fishy… I’m on to you!
@@justinmartin4662
Yeah, I was 11 years old, living on the east coast, lol! 🤦♂️
@@oceanhedonist265 was this the charles mansion situation? im trying to lean more about it
@@michaelneal2729
Yeah.
I was 10 & we heard alot about all of it! Also Martin Luther King Murder! The hippie stuff & the vietnam war! Also JFK assanation i remember hearing all of it! The 60's were a very bad time of civil unrest!
Went from funny cat videos to this, youtube is fun
How did RUclips pick this for me?
It’s a “rich” vs “poor” issue not “black” “white” issue
@@michaellasley1918 Blacks were being set up as scapegoats. In that way it was a black white issue
Theres vidoes of the CIA experimenting on kittens with acid, microwaves, evil shit.
You were on a RUclips journey
I’m glad they aren’t releasing it here in the states. The man taped a young girl, he doesn’t deserve to make ungodly amounts of money, while escaping prosecution.
Meanwhile you dont pay taxes once and get completeky fucked over. We are worse than scum to those people.
My aunt lived with Manson on Skull Ranch... Some wild shit.
RIP Sharon Tate, her baby and other victims.
What other victims? People only care about the famous one, it seems.
Amen!!! She was a beautiful kind lady. I don’t remember ever reading bad things about her. She was just a young woman excited about being a momma. May they be flying with the angels 👼
nadia mccall
Your right. But Sharon and the baby were the youngest victims. So I guess that is why people feel so strong about them. She was in her early twenties. So people feel like Sharon could be any of our kids, nieces or friends or cousin.
Mary Allison. NO, you're wrong.
nadia mccall. Yes, you're correct. Just like Kobe Bryant's death, the famous only count. The rest are considered "other victims"
The "other" victims:
Steven Parent, 18: Visiting the resident of a guest house on the Cielo Drive estate, he was the first victim of the murderers.
Abigail Folger, 25: The heir to the Folgers coffee fortune, she was romantically involved with Frykowski and was an investor in Sebring’s salons.
*A Hollywood actress, 26 (not in her early 20's)*
Voytek Frykowski, 32: A friend of Polanski’s, he came from a wealthy Polish family and was staying with Polanski and Tate.
Gary Hinman, 34: The musician was stabbed to death in his Old Topanga Canyon Road home in July 1969. The phrase “POLITICAL PIGGY” was scrawled in blood on his wall. Manson follower Bobby Beausoleil was arrested while driving Hinman’s Volkswagen bus and was later convicted of the crime.
Donald “Shorty” Shea, 35: A horse wrangler at the Spahn Movie Ranch near Chatsworth, he was killed in August 1969, after the Tate-LaBianca murders. It is believed that Manson’s followers killed him because they feared he was a police informant. His body was found eight years later.I
Jay Sebring, 35: A Hollywood hairdresser whose clients included Warren Beatty, he was a former boyfriend of Tate’s.
Rosemary LaBianca, 38
Leno LaBianca, 44: Husband and wife, owners of a chain of Los Angeles grocery stores, their Los Feliz house was targeted by Charles Manson, who tied them up but left the killing to others.
I put these in order by their age: youngest to oldest, since Mary Allison believes that's what determined Tate's death recognition, not being a Hollywood actress.
I’m 66 years old, grew up in the Bay Area during “the time” and have never been interested in the shadowy kind of glorifying the whole Manson thing. This is such a sensible approach that, for the first time ever, I am interested in reading the story. That Altamont and the end of that whole reign came up tells me this guy has pulled it all together. Sadly, intelligence keeps on pulling their bullshit on people. Excellent interview. I’m getting this book. Thank you.
It’s a great book. Bugliosi was a fame hungry ar*e & to hell with truth.
not being american i was interested in it , being able too watch some progs about it and mansons life story as i didnt know a lot about it , would not glorify it one bit ,
Oddly enough I watched the excellent David Fincher movie 'Zodiac' it really bought my limited memories of San Francisco and the Bay Area back to me via a cracking soundtrack.
CHARLES MANSON IS GOD
Have you read Season Of The Witch??
I knew it!!! I’ve sensed all of these years that there was something not kosher about what we were being told. I was a teenager when the murders occurred, and I read Helter Skelter in 1977.
HElter Skelter was a song about a Roller Coaster in England.
I'm reading this man's book now that's called Chaos, and besides cross referencing to prove the author's claims/points and watching interviews it's one that's very hard to put down. Actually loading myself up with caffeine now so I can read late into the night, it's that interesting. Mind blown, and this book/interview and many many others I've perused through the years only reinforces the understanding of just how disgusting Hollywood and the music business is and how corrupt our government is. 😥
McGowans book throws good insight on this whole scene .... worth a read.
Bingo
Yup
I was 13 in 1970. The corruption and openly evil music industry has gone off the rails. Everything going on now seems insane to me. Food prices have doubled! Maybe it's my age but the pronouns now! The uber wealthy run this Country and don't get me started on child sniffing Biden. It breaks my heart. I worry for my grandkids.
Hollywood is evil.
"This Manson fella sounds like a real jerk!" ----- Norm Macdonald
Tom O Neil got me addicted to this story with his amazing book Chaos! It really is fascinating!
Oh yeah! Very true. Someone mentions that book Chaos. And I love to b open minded. So It’s on my audible. Can’t wait to read it! 😊
Why bring Trump into a completely unrelated interview?
Rosemary's Baby was basically a biopic.
Everything is hidden in plain sight. It has always been right in front of us.
Too coincidental. You’re right. I wonder with Mia Farrow thought
Who else goes straight to the comments to see if the vid is worth watching? Lol
The Man's theory is correct. Check out who Sharon's Tate Dad Was ..he was an Army officer who specialized in Psy Ops
'jolly' west was a CIA psy/ops 'doctor' who was involved in almost EVERY odd murder ever
The entire Laurel Canyon creative movement seems to have been a CIA driven operation.
@@63Baggies Yea. " Weird Scenes In The Canyon". RIP Dave M.
@@63Baggies Didn't Jared Leto buy Laurel Canyon?
Not Laurel Canyon, but Lookout Mountain in Laurel Canyon
Considering that Manson was sexually abused and he killed the pregnant wife of a child rapist the path to the motive isnt that hard to find
23:24 Tom Wolfe wrote about this in his book, Radical Chic, in 1970.
"That was the 'first' letter?"
"There were *three* of them!"
Mr. O'Neill's sudden outburst of almost childlike glee when remembering the (probably equally insane) other letters is frankly adorable.
I love how Joe lets him speak and doesn’t cut him off! Good podcast! I know I’m late but I always rewatch and I was like I leave a comment.
The bottomless pit brother 😂😂😂😂
I saw a clip of Roman directing her in a film I believe was something to do with vampire's (can't remember the name) but I was shocked at how he spoke to her,awful and disrespectful. She looked so forlorn being spoken to like that,I felt bad for her.
great movie though- fearless vampire killers.
polanski is a pos.
not afraid to like some of his work- rosemarys baby still my favorite. fearless vampire killers is pretty superb as well.
polanski is a pos though
The Fearless Vampire Killers. I saw it in 1968
“I am one of your garbage people”. Even Manson was right sometimes.
“The garbage pickers of Ameeeericaaa”
@@notapplicable328 Charlie killed one less person that Ted Kennedy.
@@jaysantos536 i agree i was quoting a song off of Charles mansons first album he recorded before the famous murders.
Oh garbage dump oh garbage dump
@@barahng why do they call you a garbage dump?
Since when has any official narrative ever been believable
Not since Lincoln's death.
@@brandonboulton2776 is that why any critique of Lincoln is met with frustration?
@@ATECRIO I think he might be saying/suggesting that even the "official narrative" surrounding LINCOLN'S death in 1865 is not all its cracked up to be--there have even been questions raised regarding Booth's involvement, and Secretary of State Stanton. But since THAT event has crossed the threshold of what could be considered "ancient" history, even a paranoid "tin-foil-hat-wearer" such as myself will look at that with detached amusement.
This interview is 🤯. Great job Tom O’Neill 👏
Didn't the perpetrators confess to their part in the murders? How could there be a conspiracy on what happened?
"These groups were trying to incite violence"... Sounds like most groups these days.
Or two certain groups, one with 3 letters, one that claims it's anti something or other but is definitely what it says it isn't
@@MJAce85 no it's all groups. Every last one. Cause the minute you speak something that does fit the narrative or agenda of said group you're immediately a target.
I don't need groups. I prefer isolation. I hope these groups die out. ALL of them.
Italian cookies, coffee and lemonade = brutal heartburn 🔥
It’s a “rich” vs “poor” issue not “black” “white” issue
Try animal crackers and cranberry juice next.
And a day on the toilet
@@MaynardOwns what dya got your period?
And a similar tactic is being used on us today. Wake up people!
When I worked in San Bernardino, there was a bartender at the Maruko. Her mom used to take her up to the Spahn Ranch sometimes. Charlie gave her a balloon.
One of my earliest memories is being in downtown L.A. (We lived in the suburbs, about 30 miles away from downtown, but we would go downtown every once in awhile to pick things up like...copies of our birth certificates for school/sports activities. I’m guessing that’s why we were there that day). I must have been about 3 years old.
This day stands out in my memory... I remember walking down the street with my mom and older siblings. We were walking near the courthouse...there were a bunch of people outside the courthouse. And I just remember my mom redirecting us to cross the street from all the courthouse commotion...she grabbed my hand aggressively...and her grip on my hand was so tight it was hurting me as she half dragged me across the street. I remember looking at all the commotion and seeing two women with X’s on their foreheads heading towards the courthouse.
I didn’t put it together until I was a teenager.
That’s a profound, cool memory!
Thank You 🙏🏼 awesome share Kelly!
Wow! I love stories that tie people's everyday lives and tasks and criss cross them with famous (infamous) events. Thank you.
History.
Wow to bad you didn't have a phone in those days could a snapped a pic
Memories Forever Frozen in time I bet one of those women was Squeaky
This was one of the most interesting interviews. This guest REALLY knew this topic like the back of his hand.
I heard somewhere snuff films were found in the attic
BS
John Dalton really? We're you there?
Several Beach Boys songs are partially credited to Gregg Jakobson, but he was in management, not even a hobbyist musician. I suspect those songs were written by Manson, like Never Learn Not to Love, which is known as fact to have been written by Manson and paid for under the table by Dennis Wilson. The same guy listed as writer of all the songs credited to Jacobson
Between this and JFK, I don't know how Bugliosi slept at night.
In silk sheets on a comfortable king size bed
@@leodesalis5915 cuddling with the corpse of Earl Warren
@@JOEYNOSEBEATS probs more than just cuddling 🤢
AND oj
@@JOEYNOSEBEATS sounds like he didn't.
RIP Sharon Tate 💐
🙏
MrParkerman6 oh...I didn't know that.
Ethel..... because it's not true.
@@MrParkerman6 lmao no she didn't. all of this happened after she died.
And still for the baby i find it bad!!! That baby would never see live he/she never ask for nothing so!
I did my 12th grade year end term paper on the Manson murders and only used Helter Skelter and news source materials for reference. I wish this book was available at the time because that would have made the paper way more interesting.
Like people saying that the ranch had undercover agents and was under surveillance for months before the murders is crazy!
Knowing Roman, knowing Hollywood I have no doubts in my mind that tape was real.
Get help. Honestly. You will fall for anything then.
It's a constant back and forth about what's real and what's fabrication with the intention of wanting a specific response from the public.
Yeah I’m sure you know Roman personally lmaooooo fucking idiot
@@97NikeSb you need to know someone personally to have a good idea of what they're about??
@@cactaceous ll
Many "Official Narratives" don't add up.
Spartan Heart
Yeah if youre dumb
@@MrShanester117 MKUltra happened, anything is possible. Wonder where they're at now.
A plant
The official narrative is that MK ultra happened. So how is that an official narrative that doesn’t add up?
usually to muppets with their own.....
@@MrShanester117 It officially didn't happen when the program was being conducted.
Also Doris Day wrote an autobiography in the 70s that says Terry left that house and moved in fear for his life
Hollywood gave Polanski a standing ovation, even after he was convicted of SA on the 13 year old girl
He described a 21 century corporate executive. Fierce bullying followed by pathetic begging, then fiercely threatening then grotesque pleading. On and on.
No shame and no honour.
Yes 👍 he did
So Eddie bravo was right and Callen was wrong again? Not surprised
How was Eddie right?
The term Conspiracy theorists was made up and propagated in the 50s by the CIA to discredit the in the know individuals..
Believe 60% of what you hear. All stories start from somewhere. You just have to decipher what's been added or left out as stories change hands. Sometimes stories are entirely made up and put out by other governments to throw off people from the truth. Take for instance China unleashing the claim that 5G is responsible for covid 19 deaths. They pushed that story to cover up the fact the Virus came from wuhans level 4 lab.
It was proven 2 weeks before it even made it to America. You will see that in MSM over the next couple of months be released to the public little by little.. I knew about it in mid December... China lied about 2,000 infected when in mid December the numbers was already 90,000+....
Google has buried the original video but people still reposting it so the dates will be later..
Callen is one of the most close minded people.
A man with one hand his dad is a big time globalist. Don’t have anything actually against him, but he’s so on that side
@@n.randall6152 The USA made covid, planted it in wuhan, China was becoming a very big threat to the U.S.A, now with the world thinking China is at fault, there will be more backing against China.
I believe Tom wouldn’t steer us wrong. He has integrity. Hate to say it, but I can’t say hat about many people today.
Where is this whole video located?
I think this guy might have written a book and is trying to sell it
No idea what the hell your talking about.
Definitely not.
Your just making stuff up. 😉
MrB1923 you’re
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Inciting race wars by violence 51 years later. This one shall FAIL too.
@ManSon Rising How about this you shitheel amateur, you want to speculate on some shit that didn't even happen because you THINK it was going to go down like that? Whilst dog whistling? 1. Go fuck yourself, civ. 2. Educate yourself on the 1921 Tulsa Race Riots before you bring your fanfiction back in here.
ManSon Rising ...I want to hear your story. If you feel like sharing.
Yes, it will fail. I do not consent. I am free thinker. I am free from their ( whoever they are) dark magic. 💚
@ManSon Rising...none...no legal or illegal drugs/medications, no alcohol, low sugar, low caffeine, and no fluoride. That’s why my mind and body are clear from toxic, mind numbing chemicals. I get a lot of fresh air and exercise too. I can’t be brainwashed like 99% of the masses. I’m good. I live in TRUTH. Sorry you are cut off from Truth. It requires discipline, but cut the chemical $hi+ you put in your body and meditate.
@ManSon Rising my original reply was not to you, it was to the original comment, and it wasn’t meant to be understood by everyone. Some people understood, most didn’t. Try meditation. It will help with your anger🙏🏻
"that was the just the first letter"
Lol wow
Helter Skelter provides a message of…Fire Safety or carnival fun! 😂
A helter skelter is a slide. 🤣
Charlie didn’t pick that house. Tex did. Tex had been in LA hanging out with a buddy of his
prior to joining The Family. Tex and his buddy had been to 10050 Cielo Dr several times for parties. Tex knew the layout of the house and that made things easier.
tex...a two bit drug dealer was hanging with celebs? give me a break
charlie himself said it had to do with melcher
the labiancas had the family kicked out of a neighbor's home
tex was not in control of the cult, charlie was
and the only reason tex was at the ranch is because charlie pimped out his girls
MANSON WAS A MONSTER
@@thewkovacs316 a drug dealer hanging out with celebs, so hard to believe that a "party house" would have drugs around.
@@thewkovacs316 -. Believe what you want. There is no solid “true story” about this. Bugliosi claimed he knew the real story and wrote Helter Skelter to tell it. Helter Skelter is a hotbed of lies.
Watch the RUclips videos where Joe Rogan is interviewing Tom O’Neill who wrote the book Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties. I have not read it so I can’t speak to the book, only to what was said in the interviews. Actually there are 2 interviews. 1 about the “Tex tapes” which is 20 hours of conversation between Tex and his lawyer when Tex was first arrested.
Whatever is on those tapes is the very first account told by one of the killers of what happened. A week later Susan Atkins version came out. Of course the Tex tapes were under attorney-client privilege. But Tex’s attorney died in 2008 or thereabouts. His law firm went into bankruptcy in 2012 and the tapes were in the custody of the trustee.
Somehow LAPD got a hold of them and locked them up. At one point Sharon’s sister Debra and Jay Sebring’s nephew were told to come to a meeting to listen to the tapes. Then the LAPD decided Nope not going to release the tapes because according to LAPD there was stuff on there that had to remain secret because it was somehow pertinent to unsolved crimes and/or pending investigations. What is speculated to be on the tapes is the real motive for the murders and information about other murders that The Manson Family did that are either unknown to the police or unsolved.
The other interview is about how the “true story” as per Bugliosi is a crock. It goes into some crazy ass stuff about Bugliosi. He was mentally ill and thought that the milkman was the father of his oldest child and how he stalked and harassed the milkman and his wife. It’s pretty kooky.
They also discuss how Bugliosi had witnesses lie under oath and other shenanigans he pulled to try to ensure he got a conviction on the girls and Charlie. And that was a tough one. He had to prove conspiracy, that Charlie ordered the murders because Charlie was not present at either the Tate house or the LaBianca house *while* the murders were taking place. Bugliosi was NOT about to lose to a group of killer hippies so he did whatever he could to increase his chances of winning whether it was legal, ethical, moral or not.
Here’s the deal about Tex and 10050 Cielo Dr. Tex came to California to hang with one of his buddies. He was probably there for a couple of months at least before he joined The Family. Tex and his buddy were just kickin’ it. Sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ roll. I’m not sure if the parties started while Melcher lived there or when Sharon did. Could be both. I don’t know a whole lot about Melcher. But Roman was a beast. He regularly had drug fueled orgies at the house and he videoed them to watch with his friends. He forced Sharon to participate against her will. I don’t think there was a doorman with a guest list screening who entered. If there was an orgy going on and people were high, I doubt if anyone gave a sh*t who came in. So, yeah, in the “sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ roll” years in the late ‘60’s people were more carefree about who they partied with, about hitchhiking, and about who they had sex with.
Charlie himself hob nobbed with famous people - Dennis Wilson of The Beach Boys (Charlie and the Family moved right on in to Dennis’ house and lived there for a while), so Charlie met Brian Wilson and Mike Love. Charlie knew Neil Young. They were friends. Charlie saw Sharon Tate a few times at Dennis’ house. Charlie was actually on the guest list of some celebrities. He was on the guest list for a party at Mama Cass Elliot’s house so he knew The Mamas and the Papas. Charlie met Michael Caine, Jackson Browne, and Angela Lansbury’s daughter Didi.
Charlie himself might’ve said it had to do with the Tooth Fairy. You can’t believe anything Charlie said. He was a habitual liar. He was a con man. He told people what they wanted to hear, true or not. He was also manipulative.So “Charlie said” is less than nothing. There is zero credibility with what he said.
Here’s why it DIDN’T have to do with Melcher even if Melcher and his mother Doris Day thought so. Charlie knew that Melcher did not live in that house anymore. He had gone to the house to talk to Melcher on the night that Sharon was packing for her trip to Europe. Her photographer was there and he answered the door. Charlie asked for Melcher. The photographer said that no one by that name lived there. Charlie asked to use the phone. Sharon went to get it and before she got back the photographer had told Charlie to get lost. The photographer said maybe Melcher lived in the guest house. But he told Manson to walk along the dirt path and not across the yard to get to the guest house. It was the owner of the property Rudy Altobelli who was living in the guesthouse. He told Charlie that Melcher had moved out months ago and that Charlie should get off the property and quit bothering his tenets. Rudy Altobelli was also leaving for Europe the next day on the same plane as Sharon. This is why the caretaker William Garretson was living in the guesthouse at the time of the murders. Sharon came back home before Altobelli did because she was waiting for her baby to be born. Roman Polanski was still in London working on a film. He came home as soon as he heard the news.
Not only did Charlie know that Melcher didn’t live in the house on Cielo Drive anymore, he actually knew where Melcher was living at the time which was in his mother’s beach house. Charlie knew where the beach house was, so if he had wanted to hurt or kill Melcher he knew where to go to do that or where to send his followers to do that. Apparently he had no intention of that because Melcher was left safe and sound. In fact, there are witnesses who saw Manson and Melcher together in the same place talking two separate times after the murders. So if Charlie wanted Melcher dead, Melcher would’ve been dead.
I believe that there are a couple of reasons why Manson targeted the LaBiancas. First, as you say, at one time Manson and the family were living in an RV or something in the driveway of Harold True’s house which is two doors down from the LaBiancas. They were partying of course and making a lot of noise. Charlie believed that the LaBiancas were the one who called a noise complaint in to the Police. Also Charlie had been driving around LA for 3 hours looking for a house to hit. He looked at one but saw children’s toys through the window and left. I guess he didn’t want to kill or traumatize kids. He didn’t want to hit the house next door to Harold True’s because he thought that choosing the house next door could point the police towards him.
Also The Family needed money and fast. Bobby Beausoleil had gotten a bad batch of mescaline from Gary Hinman and sold it to the Straight Satans biker gang. The bikers wanted their money back or they were going to kill Charlie and others. Bobby tortured Gary for 2-3 days. Gary never gave the money back. Charlie gave the kill order and Bobby killed Gary. But they still didn’t have money. They got $70 the night before at the Tate house but that wasn’t enough. I don’t know if they knew the LaBiancas owned a chain of grocery stores or not but they knew they were well off. That’s where they got the rest of the money apparently since the Straight Satans didn’t kill them.
Charlie was in control of The Family, not Tex. That’s true. But Charlie put Tex in charge of the murders since Charlie wasn’t going to be there to give moment by moment orders. The girls were told to do whatever Tex said.
Tex met Charlie when Tex was hitchhiking and Dennis Wilson picked him up and Dennis took Tex to Dennis’ house. Charlie and the Family were living there at the time. Tex and Charlie hit it off right away and with the sex, drugs, and rock ‘n’ roll that Charlie and Dennis were handing out, Tex found himself a home.
I’m not disputing the fact that Charlie was a monster. He absolutely was. But Tex was a monster too. And I think Tex is actually the bigger monster because Tex actively participated in every single murder except Gary Hinman. That’s 8 people and a viable unborn baby. The girls helped with the killing but Tex personally shot, stabbed, tried to strangle, beat, kicked , and or pistol whipped every last one except Hinman. That’s up close and personal brutal bloody murder. He felt their warm blood. He saw it. Her saw the terror on their faces, he heard their cries and he felt nothing. No empathy, no mercy, no remorse, nothing. Tex and Charlie were both sociopaths/psychopaths I’m saying Tex was worse, but really we don’t know which one was worse.
I know basically nothing about all of this, but the official narrative always struck me as being dubious.
If they were sent to kill someone who didn't live there anymore, why not just take off after realizing he wasn't there?
I think Manson & his pals knew a lot more about what went on in Polanski's house than we've been led to believe. Maybe he knew about the underaged stuff or maybe he didn't, but I think if that place wasn't an orgy crib, Manson's friends wouldn't have been there murdering people.
@@miguelito2361- There’s a lot of dubious stuff about this. Bugliosi’s book Helter Skelter just adds more.
There are some plausible reasons. In the late ‘60’s it certainly did appear that a race war might break out. I don’t think Charlie actually believed what he preached on that though. He used it to manipulate and control his followers by fear. If you’re with Charlie and he’s telling you that soon a race war will break out and he’s the only one who can keep you safe in his hidey hole in the desert you’re going to be scared and you’ll be sticking with Charlie. and doing as he tells you.
They weren’t sent to kill someone who didn’t live there. Charlie knew Melcher didn’t live there anymore. Charlie also knew exactly where Melcher did live. If Charlie had wanted Melcher dead, Melcher would’ve been dead.
Charlie’s orders to Tex were to kill everyone who was there. I’m not sure if Charlie knew which house they were going to or not. Tex picked the house because he knew the layout. I don’t think Charlie cared which house they went to. He just wanted it to be the house of famous well off white people.
I’ve never heard of your speculation about Charlie knowing about Roman and underage girls. It is possible, though.
Roman was a beast. Before he married Sharon he told her that she was not to try to change him. Meaning that he was promiscuous. He hosted and attended orgies. He was going to have affairs with whoever, wherever. He would go out trolling for hookers and once he found one he brought her home to have a threesome with him and Sharon despite Sharon’s protest. There’s one video that had Sharon being forced to have sex with 2 men at the same time. Sharon protests and Roman’s voice can be heard although he’s never seen. Apparently he was the one filming it.
It just all sounds like a big mess to me. I want them all kept in prison until they die just like Susan and Charlie. Steve Grogan is the only one of the killers who’s been released. He only participated in 1 murder - Donald “Shorty” Shea. He was 17 at the time of the murder and he had some kind of mental disorder or developmental delay. The police said that if he’d show them where Shea was buried, they’d get him released on parole. He showed them, he got released in 1985 and as far as I know he hasn’t done any criminal activity since being released. So I’m ok with him being out. The others - Patricia, Leslie, Tex, Bobby Davis, and Bobby Beausoleil can stay in prison until they die.