LIVE: Cenk’s Debate with Destiny
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2023
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We need more debates like this
This was super cordial. Going to be weird for Hasan when destiny gets invited over for Turkish Thanksgiving
Has doesn't care. He and Cenk kind of intentionally keep their worlds pretty seperate.
Is Turkish Thanksgobbling when the turkeys eat humans?
And make hand people 🖐
Eat too much and watch the Turkey Bowl 🏈 🦃
@@Noisy_Cricket I think he would care, what would I know I'm parasocial
@@Noisy_Cricket He would def care when the dude he’s been treating like voldemort for the past 5 years pulls up to his dinner table w a plate of candied yams
Hasan is afraid of Destiny. That’s not really a secret.
Should've gone way longer lol gotta have another convo soon was so damn refreshing hearing a good faith convo for once no yelling over each other and shit
Literally they’re both smart and articulate but that isn’t the main thing
Both men are actually confident & grounded and give them self permission to be honoest and direct
Most conversations don’t go like this mainly due to deep insecurities that they can be completely unaware of
No conspiracies, no dumb slogans like “woke mind virus,” and no modern GOP foolishness or made-up culture wars. That was a refreshing political debate between two intelligent adults.
The Woke mind virus has infected ur brain
Calling Cenk intelligent is a reach.
Cenk will never debate another republican after Ben Shapiro ran a train on his Turkish ass.
Leftist are the originators of those culture wars.
cenk is illogical
I'm so proud that Hasan's ex-friend was able to meet and talk with Hasan's uncle. Inspiring!
Here's to hoping they reconcile
@@ThisisDavidKay I mean hopefully because ngl as much as I don't care for Hasan it seems like a good part of their friendship was wholesome.
I thought he was Vaush’s ex??
@@northwestlife2794 both lol
@@cngotham4111 I think pride is playing a big part of this. They aren't even THAT upset at each other anymore, but they also don't want to be the ones to cave lol. Honestly would be great content if they became friends again.
It’s good to see two men talking and disagreeing with each other and being nice about it. Thank you.
what do you mean? 1 is a guy the other is a proud latinex woman?
"It's great to see two men talking..." -Misogynist
Isnt destiny girl’s name?
You mean a good discussion between a man and proud Cuban Woman
One of them needs some work on their legal and financial knowledge.
This was very fun and interesting to listen to! I hope you guys have this person on again every once in a while to debate about current political events. It's very nice to hear people have a productive discussion where they can disagree heavily on things and not resort to screaming and insults, calling each other evil, and still be on seemingly good terms at the end. 🙂
Don't worry, TYT will do a hit piece on Destiny in a few months where they take some clip out of context and call him a racist or sexist or something.
Kevin just nailed it
@@kevinwalter4078 Get ye gone groyper scum, the daliban doth not claim thee.
@@meanjustine8266 So right.
🤮
As a destiny fan, I really appericate the open discourse and hospitality The young Turks showed towards destiny! Debating challangeing topics is how we moved forward in society, weather right or wrong, argeement or disagreement.
What hostility are you speaking of they have been nothing but nice to him Wtf are you talking about?’ Delusional much!
Cenk moped that boy, go back to your cave 😂🎉
Honestly, I want to know what makes you a fan of his. He seems not a nice person and recites exactly what hears from MSNBC. He does not seem to have any critic of the Dem establishment.
@@litoo2002 agreed utter propagandist!
@@litoo2002 None of what you said is remotely true. I like Destiny because he looks at both sides and comes to his own conclusions on issues, isn't a partisan hack and has a reputation he values with good faith engagnement with poltical figures. The same cannot be said to most people in the space.
"He seems not a nice person" you don't know him personally to make that judgement.
"recites exactly what hears from MSNBC". If that was true why is destiny defending kyle rittenhouse? The same legacy media who painted as a white suprememnsits racist murderer?
Before you judge people, watch their content instead of formalling ill-informed opinions about poltical commentrators you know nothing about.
Respect to Destiny for showing up everywhere in 2023. He’s on L, R and everywhere in between shows and podcasts lately.
He loves attention???
Absolutely love him for that. We need ppl not in their own bubbles reaching out to the different sides for discussion
Massive respect,
Dude is rolling through everyone on the centrist train.
I am heavy right leaning. But I like Destiny. It's always good not to put yourself in a bubble on either side.
I wish hasan did this too, i feel like hasan is falling off. But i dont blame him cause apparently he has insane anxiety but yea 🤷♂️
Video starts at 6:04 talk starts at 6:48 questions start at 10:00
I rather have 'chat' to be seperate. Friggen annoying, like always
This is the content I’m interested in.
Jeez it’s rare
What you didn't enjoy him and Farha flirting or her talking about masturbating in a chair peak content that was I'm being sarcastic lol
@@tyruswillier7358 I quite like Farha content but Cenk is 10x more interesting
@@henryburton6529 true
Did Cenk ever watch the Rittenhouse videos? He seemed so convinced that Rosenbaum got shot because he threw a bag at Rittenhouse... Cenk's face when Destiny told him that Rosenbaum was chasing Rittenhouse and was grabbing the gun, plus a quick pivot to the skateboard guy...
Best case scenario, they're incompetent morons who didn't watch the video that they reported on.
Worst case, they're lying on purpose or are ideologically possessed to the point of insanity
He was looking for trouble and he got it, then he cried like a little bitch. You don’t cosplay being a vigilante and then cry because there are consequences for your shitty actions. Anyone with any sense would never run through a crowd with a weapon after shooting someone. Then you shoot someone else because they attempt to grab at your weapon after they heard shots fired? What else would they do? It’s just one idiotic action after the other and people like destiny are trying to defend his idiotic actions.
If he did he won't admit it.
Great discussion. Cenk and Destiny are closer in values than it appears on debates like these.
Yikes.
@@Fosterakahunter> > > Cenk 💯 . < <
We all can find common ground💟🇺🇸👍
That's because it's impossible for Cenk to not sound like a clownish blowhard. He's so ridiculously over-the-top.
This debate should have been called loudmouth versus reasonable
JEEEESUUUS if closer means mercury is closer to pluto than it is to ULAS yeah yeah I guess. and that libertarian needs to lay off the red bull
Cenk should make debates like this a weekly thing for TYT.
He did at one point its called "The Conversation." But I don't think it got enough views so now it's just offered as a podcast and not every single episode is a debate with ppl who disagree on things. But a lot of them are with ppl that are outta there freaking minds and once they start seeing they have no facts to back up there foolishness they just start fillabustering. Cenk pretty good at getting them to stop but then they just keep repeating the same stuff over and over.
This should trend 100% more mentions of this please. Peace
@@kristeneckert2863 blah blah blah
Cenk is too afraid to go on real podcasts
@@soothing_de4th863 So destiny is what? Nothing? ASFAIK, Destiny is a big voice on the left and a very proficient debater. He is known for debating. But Cenk is too afraid? Huh? Sorry, this makes no sense. My guess is you just don't like Cenk much. What is a "Real Podcast" BTW?
This is awesome. " He's fighting for his life literally!". Both laugh 😂
Please do this again in 3 months
😂But Biden's got it over the average 65 year old bith mentally and physically. He had to cut short his Debt Ceiling trip bc he was so instructuve with the three negotiators on his side plus McCarthys. Just one example. He's speaks And is somewhere everyday, but the press doesn't cover. Needs more streaming time for sure. Go Dark Brandon🌊🥰
So would you say people shouldn't vote for Biden then?
Democracy is in danger when there's not at least two viable parties. Is there an alternative to Biden? Chris Christie only Republican willing to even tell the truth about anything.💦
Absolutely loving the debate. Even when I don't agree it's nice to hear facts used in intelligent conversation
You cant disagree. You heard his arguments and you’d have nothing to say back, you have nothing to respond to Destiny to, but you “disagree” LOL
@@d4mterro320 Stop being cringe
@d4m Terro Im sure they could elaborate on their disagreements, but that's not the point of the comment. They're expressing enjoyment, you're a drag
@@d4mterro320you’re subbed to Tim Pool, hold this L
@@sgtfow10 Im waiting for the argument or keep your mouth closed.
As someone who used to skate, a skateboard being swung can be painful, bloody, even deadly. The trucks are very heavy(some brands heavier than others), and the edge of a board is very small, and it hurts like hell.
Yeah i was like this dude has never held a skateboard lol, you can probably put someone to sleep if you wack them in the head with a truck or the edge of it.
Yup, Rittenhouse found the trouble he was looking for.
@@MrMurraypants run at a dude with a gun
Very smurt
@@MrMurraypants big difference between being an idiot and being unlawful
And a Bullet from a assault rifle AR-15 is worse than that, there is not fcking comparison. Stop the BS like the pricck Destiny. 🙄
We need an Ana v Destiny debate. This was just the entree.
NO, This guy Destiny (annoying name) doesn’t deserves Annas time,
Not TYT platform.
@@carlplz00001 Why are you so mad, this was a great convo.
@TD This guy right here is an Ana-Stan. Would sniff her underwear if given opportunity
@@carlplz00001 Bruh destiny had 3 times the concurrent viewers that TYT had for this debate 😂 You can't possibly believe ana is anywhere near as relevant as destiny... then again i don't know how much cope and delusion TYT viewers live in
@@carlplz00001 you know this convo is kind of mutually beneficial right? TYT is in a fight to stay relevant in an internet media landscape that has changed A LOT since when they were the new cool youtube thing.
This was a really refreshing and positive conversation, more like this!
I love these discussions - that's exactly how it should be... 😀 that we talk and debate with the people we disagree with, rather than burying ourselves in each of our echo chambers and creating devaluing and harmful narratives about each other. It's like a band jamming together... you listen, you contribute and adapt to each other and the circumstances you're a part of.
A huge thumps-up for the debate and thanks to both parties 👍🏼😀
And a huge hug from Denmark 😀
Was mad it was only an hour and a bit, but sooo glad they covered Rittenhouse. Would love a 4hr convo with these two! Please TYT, get these two back together! 🙏
I don't get it. I don't understand why people even enjoy Destiny. I fear his chat is full of far-right kids spouting all sorts of hateful & dangerous s***. I understand the centrist appeal, though I don't agree with it & think it's dangerous, but there's nothing centrist about what the people in his chat were saying.
@@venusbloodflow maaybe rittenhouse did victims justice, maybe dont use the Nword at rallies that cenk says are trouble
@@venusbloodflow You don't know why people enjoy Destiny because his chat is bad? Does not follow.
I'm not a Destiny fan, but he is perfectly capable of good faith discussion, which is why people might enjoy his discussions.
@@venusbloodflowhe absolutely is not centrist lmfao. He’s a progressive, meaning hes centre to far left in america. He just doesn’t treat conservatives as evil demons and tries to understand them which is why he has reach into these more conservative and moderate audiences.
@@venusbloodflowYou don’t understand it, because your are dumb. That is all. All the people around you who always didn’t like you, we’re always right.
This was honestly fantastic! I think Destiny brought up some good opinions and points. They worked well together I hope TYT continues to do longer debates like this with more varied voices out there.
This was actually a really great discussion. More of this please!
Didn't really appreciate Cenks scoffing at "Skateboard? Come on, it's a skateboard". I have been boarding for 20 years, I have seen my fair share of fights with skateboards, they can be just as deadly as beating some one in the head with a hammer. I personally have a friend who was a young talented kid and who has basically been in a vegetative state for 7 years because some one ran up behind him and cracked him in the back of the head with his board. Boards can cause severe blunt force trauma to the skull just as easily as any deadly weapon, so to just wave it off as if it were nothing worse then a feather is very disingenuous and dangerous
I just saw a clip of people fighting. Some guy got punched and retaliated with a skateboard to the head knocking out the other guy instantly it was brutal.
The skateboard is irrelevant compared to Huber grabbing his rifle twice, and trying to wrestle it away in the midst of a baying mob. The skateboard is just another tactic to distract from the salient facts of the case, just like the plastic bag and state lines are used.
So? You do remember why he was trying to get to Kyle right? They saw the cry baby murder someone. Also, remember when Kyle turned around a couple more times before he reached the pigs to spray some lead a couple more times indiscriminately toward people who weren't holding skateboards?
@@venusbloodflow And that has anything to do with something I said how?
Do you appreciate the fact that Kyle's victims are the only people who died in that protest? If he hadn't rocked up there armed, probably nobody would have died.
Really appreciat both of you for the discussion, would love a longer one in the future. I think there are so many more topics you two could talk about.
Good discussion!✌💜
Really enjoyed this discussion. It’s good to have a good faith disagreement for once in a while.
Thank you cenk!
Is it even possible for him to not sound like a clownish blowhard?
I see him in a much better light after this
You guys are both delusional lol stuck in your bias
Yeah but on policy is Cenk is clearly more to the left than Destiny..
So nice of the Young Turks to allow space for a woman of color to talk
Great points on both sides without the bull shit! This needs to go viral as a lesson in debating. I still agree with Cenk on almost everything but he spoke to what I argue with tyt at home as I listen for the sake of open mindedness. I conclude with nahh f the dems excuses but I like to know where they’re coming from so I argue those same points during all the shows from TDR to Bonus show. ❤this
were you ignoring raza sleeping with foil blankets 2013 when O deported more than bush and trump?
Why do people act like “it’s just a skateboard” ?? That could literally kill you…
Weird how only Kyle's victims died in that protest. You know what can literally kill you? A rifle.
@@smaakjeks Kyle didn’t get hit with that skateboard because he defended himself. Grow up
@smaakjeks You're really detached from the real world. You have to take a situation and read it while being conscious of your own safety.
Now be in the middle of said situation at that very moment, now make a decision on your own life if you need to defend yourself if you believe you could be in physical danger.
dude, a peanut can literally kill some people. Should we hang Mr. Peanut?
@@damont5487 "Kyle didn’t get hit with that skateboard because he defended himself."
Why did he need to defend himself? Why did nobody else need to defend themselves by killing people?
This was a great debate! Thank you Cenk! I only wish there had been more time to get further down into the gristle of things.
Wow this was a beath of fresh air. Love the discourse. Good to see people with different ideas being able to talk it out with out name callingg
This was super cool 👍
I dont watch TYT, but love watching conversations and debates on politcs. Suggest you do more of that kind of content.
Holy shit Cenk is a boss. This was Destiny’s hardest debate opponent I’ve seen.
@@TubeWusel No Destiny is like a buzz saw though. Thought Cenk wasnt gonna do that well.
Melinas Husband is actually not bad at debating
She’s a talented debater for sure
Surprisingly, this was a really good convo.
Just know that most fans of Nebraska Steve are expecting a glorious revival of the Destiny-Hasan bff bond (as long as no one brings up Kamala Harris or gusanos 🤫)
Destiny Steve got slaughtered in this debate and proven to be a corporate leftist Aka a libertarian!
@@PhoenixDragon327 if you think corporate leftist are libertarians you need to touch grass
@@daasnahk5058 They are basically the same thing. If you don’t see that then you miss the plot!
@@daasnahk5058 You do know that liberals and libertarians have many of the same roots. Also, Nebraska Steve use to be a libertarian.
Nah I just hope Cenk learns to troll Hasan by bringing up Destiny.
Really good debate! Wish it was longer
GREAT JOB!!!! more collabs the better
Ranked Choice Voting and open primaries👍
Jesus Christ, this has to be one of the best debates I have ever watched. Cenk was able to absorb like 20 points at a time and then come back on all of them! It's like he has a massive memory palace. He's truly a political prodigy. And Destiny basically the same.
I think they're both missing a few things, though.
Cenk has been repeating the same worn out BS forever it's just new to you
Sarcasm? Cenk just laughs and talks past facts that prove whatever he says is wrong. This thing was a complete waste of time.
@@Reloading20 what did you expect? He was right about a couple things, Biden does suck
@@Reloading20 you either didn't watch it or your purposefully lying... As someone who is seen a lot of Cenk, I was also surprised that he was able to catalog multiple points and then argue all of them consecutively without asking what the next point was again. Is impressive for any human being, but he does have a law degree after all.
@@VigEuth yeah, Cenk did a great job illuminating his position with orienting background info that supported his position. For example, his statement that previous democratic administrations built support by building up programs for the people and building in progressive seats. Also, Cenk puts his money where his mouth is by creating organizations like The Wolfpack. Destiny, despite being a multimillionaire, does not.
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Okay, that was sarcasm.
But I still feel that tyt sometimes very suspiciously falls into traps such as appeals to antiquity. A good example of this would be suggesting that the democratic side of the US did not learn from the mistakes in Libya and the Middle East. I'd have loved to hear a response to this criticism. Almost everyone in the world outside of the US will sometimes say things like "Russia is just another forever war", like Afghanistan, or "Russia is just the US meddling without forethought", like Libya. But keep in mind, it was republican-appointed military advisors who recommended both conflicts. I feel Obama underestimated how extreme a republican-appointed secretary of defense could be.
It's really suspicious to me when I see a pacifist stance towards the Ukraine Russia war. As if the nord 2 bombing weren't Putin's effort to sabotage dissent in his inner circle, among other things like this recent dam incident. The fact is, Putin is a very flawed person, sadistic due to a severe flaw in his health.
The reason I blame Russia for the nord 2 bombing in case you were worried about this is because the investigation shows the bombs were placed across depths of 42 and 79 meters over the course of no less than 45 minutes (500 kg of explosives), which is very deep and would have required compression and decompression equipment, and only Russian vessels were in the area with capable ships to do this in the time frame of the attack.
The reason I'm comfortable to blame Russia for the dam is because the bridge would have prevented Ukrainians from planting bombs, and there was security footage. A small explosive to create a small hole happened the night before the news, and it was around 4 a.m. Russia realized it had made an error and the hole would be much bigger than anticipated. It would have taken months of missile attacks to create this result. It has to be a very heavy placed charge.that caused the collapses. The three Russian stories are all ridiculous. One storm shadow missile, first. Second, bombing all night but none caught in security footage, and finally that Ukraine snuck across the river undetected and planted the charge in the Russian occupied building without anyone noticing their presence or approach. Also, Russia intentionally built the reservoir up as much as possible to maximize the damage, and this is a very celebrated communist war strategy, despite being a war crime. For example, in children's plays in China they celebrate Mao flooding cities where Jiang Kai Shek sympathizers were mixed with other civilians.
Glad to see the reception was good here, the reception was just as good in destinys community for Cenk. Everyone appreciates an actually intelligent discussion. I think they both had good energy towards each other & respect even when it got to the things they really disagree on. Im also glad to see even those who are fans of one or the other appreciated the other one whose corner they were not in. Times like this show the better aspects of humanity, it brings everyone up into a respectful mindset
I think you need to read some of the replies to comments from tyt viewers. Maybe it's just me but it seems like Destiny's chat tends to give off similar vibes to a Tim Pool stream. I will agree though that there are a lot of viewers of both that seem civilized. But there's no denying the right wing presence of Destiny's chatters
@@venusbloodflowyoutube chatters are a bit wild but thats not his core audience, and its proof that his voice is able to reach people on the other side of the aisle. I don’t see why thats a bad thing
Great conversation
Cenk got destroyed in the Rittenhouse debate
Awesome conversation between 2 good faith participants. Awesome job guys!
This was a fantastic discussion. I have never heard of Destiny, but I may have to check it out.
Great debate from the both of you. Civilized and respectful exchange of ideas. More of this is needed.
this was great! thanks so much for engaging with differing opinions on the same side productively and politely. what a breath of fresh air
I wouldn't consider it the same side. Destiny doesn't really seem like he knows much about politics.. *at all*.
I'm assuming he got into them at a young age & then lost interest, but enjoyed what he was making from his videos. The dude wasn't even paying attention half the time. Not to mention his arguments were weak and it was almost as if he wasn't even trying. No serious person would have anything to do with the #CumHunter.
Thanks Cenk for the great conversation!
I love that Destiny matches the intensity of his opponent because he destroys people that need to be destroyed and has productive arguments with people wanting to have an honest conversation. The man might be the most persuasive person alive today and this is coming from a person that disagrees with him on probably 70% of his political opinions.
He's more on the progressive left so that's likely why he came across well. He's not using the terrible regurgitated talking points that so often happen in these debates.
I happen to agree with his rittenhouse position too and I'm not a right winger.
👌🏻
Wow, I couldn’t disagree more. All I can hear is someone trying desperately to defend their position that “democrats are trying their hardest.” He’s not bending to new information, he’s not giving me anything to work with because his opinion is too hopeful and not based in reality, and he’s only “successful” because he isn’t emotional. This, however, reads to me as someone who isn’t really interested in politics if it doesn’t already conform to his view. He’s completely dispassionate.
Getting though this debate is next to impossible for me. I’m gritting my teeth through it because Destiny’s takes are just hot garbage.
@@lennoxwasbest7587 just thought I'd mention that the reason Rosenbaum started chasing Rittenhouse was because Rittenhouse aimed his gun at the couple next to Rosenbaum. At the end of the trial it was discovered on a video that was shared by Rittenhouse is attorneys. It's a fact. There's no argument about it. Also another fact is that the dealership owner was found to be committing insurance fraud by parking his more expensive vehicles in storage units. That too was in the courtroom. After the case there was talk about how the car dealership owner may have had his cars torched in an attempt to cash in on insurance money. The insurance company denied him for it because of this. Just thought I might mention these two things. Not trying to change your mind. Just wish that Cenk would have mentioned them.
@@EroticInferno 💯 I also feel this way.
This went way better than I expected.
Great conversation, was entertaining and thought provoking throughout.
Love the debate !
Tremendous respect and hospitality here. I am a destiny viewer and sometimes his debates devolve into screaming matches and pissing contests. But this one was so tame and constructive I was engaged from start to finish, great work
This is great. I hate that many of the top political content creators can't seem to get along well enough to have occasional discussions like this.
Its just a hit from a skateboard is the most ridiculous thing ever
Yeah you can really tell Cenk has never touched a skateboard before, I know people who received brain damage from getting trucked
He had no business threatening people with a firearm in the first place
The people saw him as an active shooter and tried to take him down, rightly. Only nazi scumbags support rottenhouse
I feel like he's envisioning a wooden board but forgetting there's solid metal trucks on the bottom. You can do some serious damage with a skateboard.
@@AntiTheBird Seriously they are only made to hold like 170lbs dudes sliding down rails
@@BoxxMasterr I thought Cenk cared about inner city problems and he has never seen the movie Kids before
TIMESTAMPS
Heyge everyone, the debate was a little convoluted and hard to follow so I tried to organize the main talking points into a timestamp. These are the ones I thought were interesting let me know if I missed any.
The debate can be split into two main parts: The first is on what strategy the democratic party should take in positions of power. The second is about Kyle Rittenhouse and whether or not his actions were justified.
[ The majority of this part of the debate is on how the democrats/Joe Biden should handle the republicans, Cenk argues for a more aggressive populist approach and Destiny rides for bipartisanship 23:00 - 57:00 ]
01:00 The different approaches of the democratic party.
23:00 Why does Joe Biden not fight back against Republicans?
Cenk argues Joe Biden should fight back at the very least rhetorically.
Destiny thinks the deal (debt ceiling negotiation) the democrats made with the republicans was good.
30:00 How democrats constantly cave to Republicans
Cenk argues bipartisanship isn’t always good, especially if it infringes on the average citizen
Destiny rides for Biden, argues that because Biden doesn’t have a house majority it puts him in a position where he has to be bipartisan. Also Destiny makes an argument for the supreme court (institutions) but also against the supreme court?!? Not sure where he stands on this
Destiny cites the American Recovery Act and infrastructure bill as some of Biden’s wins. Does he mean the American Rescue Plan?
36:05 They both agree republicans only care about tax cuts for the wealthy
38:00 Cenk on how democrats could lean in to populist policies to gain majority similar to what LBJ and other democrats that were in a similar position did.
42:00 Destiny says Trump is the most fascist president ever,
43:40 Destiny says Joe Biden has the cards stacked against him, and that average Americans would not back Joe Biden even if he leaned into more populist policies, citing that Americans are the most divided we have ever been. However doesn’t mention that we have always been divided on identity politics issues but share common ground when it comes to working class/populist issues
44:48 Cenk also agrees with D that Trump is a fascist
45:00 Cenk on Joe Biden’s pipeline
45:30 Cenk on a policy that joe biden can lean in to (Paid Family Leave)
46:50 Cenk and Destiny on they rotating villain tactic within the democratic party, Destiny thinks Sinema and Manchin are necessary to the democratic party
48:00 Cenk on the real reason as to why democrats constantly cave to the republican party
50:00 Cenk on how to ‘fix’ the democratic party, get money and corporate lobbying out of politics.
52:00 Destiny’s take on progressives in congress
54:00 Destiny on Joe Manchin
[ 57:20 Kyle Rittenhouse Debate Begins. Cenk doesn’t think Kyle Rittenhouse’s actions were justified and Destiny defends Kyle Rittenhouse’s actions ]
58:25 Destiny on the Media’s coverage of the Kenosha protests saying that both the left and conservative media outlets are at fault for the protests escalating into riots.
1:00 Both Destiny and Cenk hamper and hyperfocus on the point that 'the riots were violent'.
1:01 Destiny defends Kyle Rittenhouse says he was defending his community despite Kyle Rittenhouse traveling to the area where the riots were happening.
1:05:50 Cenk on the reality of Kyle Rittenhouse. Cenk w here
1:06:50 Destiny deflects and hyper focuses on the looting that occurred and uses that to try and justify Kyle Rittenhouse’s actions
1:08:58 Cenk on what if Leftists armed themselves?
1:10:20 - 1:10:40 Destiny says some unhinged sh!t
1:14:45 Destiny on why the Kenosha protests happened
1:19:20 Vote harder?
Thanks for your efforts, Sherrey
Thank you for taking the time to do this. Awesome ❤️👍🏽
least biased time-stamper
@@efeghilmffdsee5216 Yea I'm biased everyone is biased 😹 there is no such thing as not being biased.
This was a fabulous conversation. Both side did excellent in making their points, though Cenk honestly surprised me. I felt Destiny was stronger on the first issue and Cenk was on the second.
No Destiny just acted as an apologist.
I like them both, but if we want to fight for the ppl, id have to side with Cenk because though i like destiny, his attitude really just results in no change. Cenk may be a bit extreme sometimes but you need someone like that to move the needle. Destiny attitude is just status quo, everything will stay the same cuz we just cant do anything…
@@light-rd7vq we need some fight in us. The right is literally trying to eradicate gay and trans ppl and anyone who is literally different from them. Hell coos murdering innocent black people!
@@light-rd7vq Totally agree 100%
I think the exact opposite. I think Cenk was stronger on the first half, while Destiny was stronger on the latter.
Great discussion
I’ve never seen leftist win a Rittenhouse debate ever
Cenk correct, he tried to fundraise at a local brewery... cancelled as reported anyway?
Stand your ground and military style auto rifles have no business anywhere but the battlefields. Join the Military or Go to Ukraine if wanting to shoot magazines. Appreciated the common ground found in e again with Stephan and Cenk, more guns mean a worse outcome. 'shit'. Love wins💞
Yeah? Ever heard of Sam Seder?
@@troubadour0663 yeah i watched him debate Destiny on Rittenhouse. He did way worse than Cenk, and even admitted that he didn’t follow the situation closely
@@adaa1078 Guzzled Buckets
@@adaa1078 Beautiful. I thought he did rather well whilst Destiny floundered around a little and gave up. Destiny accused Sam of not knowing anything about the Citizens United case which his fans unquestioningly ran along with for a long time. This is easily proven wrong bcoz Sam had talked about it before. Destiny also doesn't understand how the Supreme Court works.
Best waiting room open source music track ever. Gave me rave flashbacks but in a kinda' great way.
Its crazy how all the TYT subs are seemingly blown away by the fact that two people who disagree can have a civil conversation. Its almost as if that's never happened on TYT. Weird
This was super awesome! Absolutely love this you should talk with him again!
Love this debate/discussion. Both made super great points on each topic. And it's nice to see a debate be respectful and not get totally out of hand with each other talking over each other and not allowing the person to answer the question or make their statement.
First things first, it felt really good hearing a legitimate conversation where people were coming at things in good faith. I used to be a TYT fan but as I got older and started to realize how the world worked, how things actually get done, and how what has always made America the best in the past was how we were united even with different ideals and cultures. With that said, it frustrates me how Cenk (who I always thought and still think is the most genuine and intelligent out of the bunch) is able to garner the support he can, and how passionate he is about a lot of these issues, but his past media experiences have blinded him to his true effectiveness and how things get done in this country. YOU CANNOT just flat out ignore 50% of the country, and the other 35% that are likely not even close to your progressive beliefs. Its just not effective. The country is far too fractured. Stepping across the lines and understanding why people feel the way they do and trying to reach out to them even if it takes a long time is the way things work. It is what it is.
As someone who was a paying and supporting member for a long time their messaging as of the past few years has really bummed me out. I hope Destiny comes on and chats with Cenk more often, as I believe someone who is idealogically as passionate as Cenk is actually good for someone like Destiny, in the same way that someone who is more rational and thinking about what the proper course of action should be in the moment like Destiny is for Cenk.
If you were a sportsman growing up and investing a lot of your time and energy to succeed, but on competition days you regularly fail in the last minute, what would they call you?
@@gusmarokity6482 probably a loser sports team. That said if we are relating that to the conversation Biden seems to be on the winning end especially compared to those on the far left. I sympathize but everything seems to be a virtue signal now and no one on the far left wants to actually get things done, just talk about it.
@@Ephremjlm1 Just to be clear, what do you mean by far left?
I think you're spouting meaningless centrist platitudes without giving any specifics. How exactly is Cenk or TYT "ignoring" how things are done? He's advocating voting in elections the same as anyone else, and telling you how he actually got progressive people elected into office. What do you want him to be saying?
He also hammered down in the debate how there actually is pretty broad consensus among the actual electorate on several issues - I believe he explicitly mentioned how most people, regardless of party, believe in paid family leave. He could have also named campaign finance reform. He explicitly mentioned how even Joe Manchin's actual electorate is much further to the left than he is, and that Republicans and corporate Democrats are often far right of the actual electorate's opinions. So where is the "ignoring of 50% of the country?" Did you even watch the video?
And yeah sure, the guy who professionally covered politics on national television and the internet for over a decade is the one who can benefit from the superior rational wisdom of a gamer who primarily outwits uneducated losers for a living. OK. I'm not saying Destiny's opinions aren't worthwhile but to say Cenk is the uneducated one is a joke.
What you're ignoring is that you don't have to "ignore" "50% of the population". Actually, the ones who ignore the vast majority of the population are the corporatists who are sitting in office RIGHT NOW. When it comes to actual policy, we're all so much closer together than almost anyone would have you believe. Paid family leave, universal health care, paid college tuition, universal background checks, protecting voting rights, getting money out of politics, the list goes on and on. These are all framed as "progressive" and "far-left" positions, yet they all have over 50% support across the political spectrum. Some of them poll 80% or more! The only reason we don't have all of those things is because those in power ignore the will of the people. Sure, the country is politically divided, but it's mostly culture war and team sports bullshit.
Both made good points. I tend to agree more with cenk.
I feel that Cenk analyzed issues from the pov of to what direction should society be pushed, which is the essence of doing politics.
and destiny analyzed issues maybe more objectively from pov of "this is how things are and this is what we can realistically achieve", which might be more "accurate" but doesnt push change.
It's so myopic as to be totally useless, since politics is an ongoing thing where people are supposed to adapt their strategies to the lessons they have learned. If you've painted yourself into the corner, you might have a spirited conversation about how to extract yourself from this position, but that's not nearly as important as figuring out why you did this and avoiding it the next time. Ignoring that Democrats have been (clearly intentionally, but even if you believe just "incompetently") painting themselves into the same corner 500 times, in order to talk about this one current occurrence of it, is not giving proper context to the discussion, especially since a lot of the debt ceiling fight is about optics and ongoing framing, and it is not just a snapshot.
Even if it were the case that "Hey!! We won back a tiny bit of our money in this Monopoly game we've been losing constantly for 30 years, let's celebrate," it would be a disservice to the main story. But instead, Destiny is saying "Hey, we only lost a bit more money--I mean, we were expected to lose a ton, that's just inevitable--what kind of bipartisan game would it be if we just won some money and kept it all--that wouldn't make the other parties happy, would it? Anyway, we bucked the odds by only losing a little bit during this move. Therefore, we deserve credit--and shame on you Progressives who don't want to give credit to us for only mildly losing!!!" It's horrific analysis.
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"It's so myopic as to be totally useless, since politics is an ongoing thing where people are supposed to adapt their strategies to the lessons they have learned."
It depends what are the goals of your messaging/thought.
Doing political activism and doing pure analysis are different things even though they can certainly overlap.
Cenk is an activist and his messaging´s main goal is to push for change. Understanding and truth are secondary goals oftentimes.
Objective analysis without any other goals than to understand dynamics and outcomes is different from propagandizing political activism and there is nothing myopic about it, its just messaging/thinking with different goals. It gives you more understanding of the political landscape and helps you decide who is in "your team" in each issue and what even are the goals you should push for..
In other words, a lib (Destiny) and someone who actually wants to get something useful done lol
@@Ellimist000 Addressing your point (which was different from PST99%'s point), I think Destiny is interested in getting useful things done. There is SOME critical mass of Democrats whereby they are actually forced to save face by passing SOME things that the base wants, and he is urging his viewers to elect more Democrats toward theoretically reaching that critical mass. I just strongly think that his strategy is wrong (counterproductive, actually), and he doesn't fundamentally understand the argument that Leftists are making. It's the difference between "you're stuck in the maze and have to do everything you can to find the cheese before the evil mice do" and "you're NOT stuck in the maze, you can fight for there to not have to be mazes anymore."
Good conversation. Do another one please. Have a good day.
Great conversation! Its the best way to offer a better way of life for everyone!
6:56 introduction
Doing the lord’s work.
1:27:30 end of stream
@@esotericoutcast641 thx
Excellent collab and even better conversation. Let's see some more Destiny on TYT!
This was a great discussion, really good to see a good faith debate like this.
Overall, good discussion on both sides. I do agree more with the fighting spirit of TYT than the “take what you can get” attitude Destiny seemed to represent here. But hey as long as we’re debating how to get more or less the same policy agenda advanced we are doing good.
I would say it's less of take what you can, and its more of playing the long game. Like he said if we just use executive powers things can get reversed in the exact same ways as opposed to making concessions and winning the hard battles over time they are more likely to stay set in stone.
Well he’s wealthy so it matters not to him
TYT is nonstop lying and making things up while stirring shit up, dont know how that helps in anything beside make the left looks out of their mind to some people.
@@origamikami3486 they both are? Lmao
@@FJaypewpew I wouldn’t say Cenk is wealthy. Is he well off? Yes. But do you know how much Destiny makes a year? Left wing news that isn’t the msm pays nothing. Being a streamer with millions of followers? Ummmm
Cenk is out of his mind when it comes to Rittenhouse
And everything else.
we need more of these
Great interview guys.
Big fan of both of these guys.
God Damn, they should have a podcast together
Disagree Good civil debate but destiny is essentially a Clinton apologist who is ok w the way things are
Good debate and convo
I love this! I've been watching both of you for ever, and finally.
I could of watched you two for hours.
I think i've seen this Destiny name floating around in the past but i've never really watched him that much. But he seems like a good person to have conversations with. Doesn't get emotional, can articulate his points well and clearly knows what he's talking about. Even tho i might not agree with everything he says, i'd rather have respectfull people like him on the show more often to discuss certain current events than those other reactionary lunatics on twitter.
fantastic debate, these two need their own show together
Hey Cenk, here is an idea: hand over some of your CEO responsibilities to someone else at TYT and make this more of a regular thing! I absolutely love all the "outreach" you've been doing. We need more of this.
The rittenhouse debate can be summed up for destiny as the following:
Destiny is an american. In america, you are allowed to carry guns, be anywhere you want in public and defend yourself with lethal force.
This is all true, but I think most people in countries outside of america just think: "How is it possible that a 17 year old runs around in the dark, with a rifle, surrounded by people rioting, and eventually gets into a scuffle where he uses the rifle to shoot 2 people dead.
To me, as a european (germany), it's insane that people like Destiny see nothing wrong with the concept of teenagers running around armed ready to kill. When I was 17 I smoked weed, played magic with my friend and went to school. If at any point i would have went with a firearm to a protest my mother would have lost her mind.
I agree its kind of hard for people outside the U.S. (I'm in Japan) to get over the fact that 17 year olds can carry guns in the U.S. But once you get over that hump and set that condition, then Destiny has the correct view on this matter.
If you look at it from the perspective of a 17 year old girl carrying a gun into a seedy part of town who is forced to use it in self-defense in the event of being attacked by a mob of men, most people would probably side with the girl.
Being ready to kill in defense of yourself is way different than wanting to kill someone. Open carry may be a crazy concept, but I don’t see what rittenhouse did was morally inept. Every other person initiated, 2 of which continued to chase him, after he was running away, pretty dumb.
How far are you willing to go to defend your life? That’s all you need to ask yourself
Sad thing is, Rittenhouse's mother took him there and encouraged him. She is super Pro 2A.
@@georgiarn3915 and you seem to be pro “submit to the mob” ay?
Cause a mob hasn’t done anything bad before
FDR could be blunt and extreme, because he had a huge majority in the Congress. FDR had 63% (vs 36%) in Senate and 73% (vs 26%) in the House.
People who talk like that don't win anymore! We saw time and time again people like that lose in the elections.
Most of what you say is true but remember your own party doesn't always agree with you. The in-party is a fight you have to fight as well. and the example I would have used would have been Lyndon B Johnshon during civil rights. He fought both parties to get the thing passed and he used politics very effectively. Not only that in-party sabotage on behalf of the democratic party is part of why democratic voters are groomed to reject that kind of rhetoric.
@@icecoldpierre I am not sure how this changes anything.
If you have 60 votes in senate, you can attack politicians like Manchin.
Or if you or your party is popular in a state, you can attack the politician of that state, because you know that people will elect the person you endorse.
Biden doesn't have those options.
Just dropping a hello to all TYT fans from DGG! Thanks for hosting us :)
I really enjoyed this!
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FDR had a huge majority from the start!!! 63% in Senate and 73% in House.
Wish this was way longer
awesome debate
A POTUS using the 14th would have to be stopped by a Federal Court issuing an injunction as the case plays out. So, a Judge or Judges would be setting the stage for default.
Cent’s 14th amendment argument was the dumbest argument I’ve heard in a long while. I’m sure he knows it also.
I'm in shock and awe that you people believe that 14th amendment to be such a bad take. It would have cost Biden nothing and he could have won out right with no concessions. Let the courts do what they will, at the end of the day the republicans either cause a default that is 100% their fault (not even a possibility if you understand politics). or the lift the damn debt ceiling. This is why under republicans their are no debt ceiling fights republicans know its a losing issue. Yet you guys fall for the trick every time. Have the balls to fight guys. It's one thing to be okay with mediocre results for your side. it's another to be okay with those results having even not fought at all. That's basically pro status quo. With you guys mentality we would've never even got the civil rights bills passed. Pathetic.
@@Oh-vk2oe How would any of us know about your limited reasoning skills. What do you think the 14th means? is it like the militia part of the 2nd? If removed from the constitution nothing changes bc those words mean nothing? What other parts of the Constitution can be excised and not change the meaning of the document?
@@nowthenzen “validity of the public debt of the United States … shall not be questioned” is about the vaguest piece of legislation ever. Stay mad though, dipshit.
Love me some destiny, and i dont always agree with tyt, but i always find you guys speaking in good faith ❤️
Top tier content 👍
Nice conversation!
Very easy. If we don't have guns to settle disputes including law enforcement agency, then we can talk and reason together. It doesn't have to be blood shed for a point to be proven amidst different opinions.
also, real risky of TYT to post Destiny's vod with DESTINY's chat onscreen. haha
IKR?
Honestly, I'm (gladly) surprised that the comments are civil.
Wish it was longer
Need n longer debate by these 2 on Rittenhouse
Maybe after they both review the case again. It’s infuriating how much they both still get wrong.