Albus Dumbledore & Gellert Grindelwald Origin/Relationship Explained
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I think Dumbledores' background plays a big part in why he put so much trust in Snape. After all, he was a former death eater, not a lot of people would have greeted him with open arms back in Hogwarts. I like to think that Dumbledore, who had been on the wrong path himself, until a terrible loss changed him, saw a bit of himself in Severus.
Great explanation! That does make sense
Nice explanation
That’s a great point 👍🏼
They both have tragic love ❤️ stories
My cat’s name is Severus 💀💀
“we were very close”
“oh like brothers?”
“no.”
ᴋɪᴇʀᴀɴ gay silence
Natalie Cahill Soo HAHA
Lol wtf
lol
@Yanjun Sun of course
This is what I hated about the movies, they portrayed Grindelwald as a villain who helped Voldemort get the elder wand when in fact the book clearly mentioned that he never told Voldie a thing and he even died for that.
Christopher Chuauhang in the Harry Potter books ? Cause if yess then I gotta go buy all the books now
@@bubba6823 yes, he refused to tell Voldemort where or who owned the elder wand and Voldemort killed him cause he got mad.
I don’t get it. How is it then that in the last minutes of the video Dumbledore was being told about the death of Grindelwald?
@@Amirs48 the movies completely changed everything that was in the books, so it's kinda ruining the story line.
The book says when Dumbledore and Grindelwald have their duel they don't kill each other (maybe because they still love each other). Dumbledore of course defeats Grindelwald and the Elder wand passes over to him. Grindelwald is put into his own prison he made called Nurmangard or something. He was in there for the rest of his life.
So in book 7 of HP, Grindelwald DID know who owned the Elder wand when Voldy goes to see him but in my opinion, his last act of love(?) for Dumbledore was to refuse to tell Voldy who owned it/where it was. Grindelwald told Voldy that he didn't deserve to be the owner of it because he doesn't understand as much as he thinks he does about it so he wasn't worthy of it. That's what makes Voldy mad and kills him.
Voldy does find out eventually on his own that Dumbledore owned it last and it was buried with him so then he goes to Dumbledore's grave and breaks it open to take it by force. but Grindelwald WAS right, he never mastered the Elder wand because he didn't understand how it worked so he couldn't defeat Harry with it.
Yes i hate it
Harry: After all this time?
Albus: Always.
Ohh I see what you did, you took snapes line and used it on Dumbledoor :D
YES! That's why he never mocked Snape for Lily, because he never got over Grindelwald himself and I bet he would never shut up about it with Fox and McGonagall
🤣🤣😂😂
@@shorndnvnens I like how you spelled dumbledore as dumbledoor lmao.
@@garyromero8352 wait what? Oh I mean- I’m not wrong? 😅
He fell in love with a toxic and manipulative person. It’s an important message that regardless of orientation, we can all make that mistake.
Or that love actually is seriously overated
Hannah Dyson yours sounds better
Yea but he's cute
I'm honestly Dumbledore once. (No, I didn't possibly kill my sister, and no, the person I shall talk about is not the same gender as me.) In 5th grade I fell in love with my best friend. (You'd say it was a crush, but for me, it was love.) He said he liked me back. (He didnt.) But as the months grew, he became toxic, and made fun of me. I ended up making a desision I don't regret. I ended the 'relationship' (Rest In Peices, Bryan, our ship name) and our friendship. We are not on bad terms but are not friends in 6th grade. I am very proud of myself for doing something that at the time, seemed wrong, but ended up making both of us happier. I am very happy now, I have very good friends and am getting mentally better from all the bullying elementary school gave me.
I agree. I dated someone like that. It was a gay relationship. He’d have me drive him places to steal things. Claiming he couldn’t work cause of an injury and he needed to care for his mother. But he was using me. Just like Dumbledore, all because he was charming and handsome, I blinded myself to what he was really doing because love makes you do crazy things.
Man! Their story sounds more tragic than Romeo and Juliet.
@@theMaraudersrock FBI OPEN UP!!!
@Alstein E and Elvis Presley married a 14 year old girl when he was 24
@@theMaraudersrock You do know when the story was set a woman, especially a noblewoman of her age would have been well on her way to being married with children. People didn't live long back then. Bad food, water, and disease were rampant but sure lets call the cops on a fake character's romance that started a war. People these days...
@@theMaraudersrock I thought Julie was 16
@@theMaraudersrock In that time, it doesn't matter to love girl that age. Histories said so
I really want JK Rowling to write the Rita Skeeter book “The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore” I think it would be a really good read and give us a deeper understand and connection with Dumbledore
Yes I agree!!!
I'm your 100th like 😁
Good idea!!
And a Movie with that tittle💫
Expect rita skeeters report are like 90% lies
It wasn't easy being Dumbledore. He was cursed with one hell of a fate, being instrumental in the rise of two Dark Lords in a single century. When seen in this light, his actions make total sense. And there's a reason he's the only wizard Voldemort ever feared. Dumbledore is death personified, weaponized against evil and made triumphant. He understood it and embodied it fully, not as an ending but rather as a process of renewal. And I mean this in a good way, because death, in its absolute negation of selfhood, is the only instrument capable of striking the supreme and purest note of love.
Also, I think this was your best HP video yet.
You must be friends with Albus...you speak deep too
Fits in with the Phoenix motif for the Dumbledores
Some people believe that Grindelwald used dumbledore but I believe that he actually loved him
Jasmine Leather they did love each other and I'm crying cause it's so cute
I think you are right but I guess he used dumbledore a little bit...... Just a little.
@@vandeyl #Dumblewald
oof same
@@vandeyl I really hate it when people describe relationship with cute that is so not the right word ever anyways were they actually boyfriends or did they just both love each other and never admit to it but he went through this whole entire video and didn't actually explain it
And now we've seen 'The Crimes of Grindelwald' and we know that Dumbledore and Grindelwald swore to never fight each other and that they were as Dumbledore says 'closer than brothers' which proves that they probably were in a relationship
Yep, dumbledore was falling in love with grindelwald
Or Dumbledore just thought they were going to be in a relationship
As far as I know, it was one-sided: They were best friends and Dumbledore loved him. But Grindelwald didn't and perhaps took advantage of it, though I doubt they had an actual relationship.
@@akumayoxiruma probably not since they made that blood pact and Grindelwald kept it on him all this time. I believe he had it not just for safety in case dumbledore tried to stop him but also because he had some affection towards the man. His love wasnt as strong as dumbledore but it was still there
Imho it wasn't one-sided, for multiple reasons.
1) The film clearly shows that Grindelwald can't fight Dumbledore just like Dumbledore can't move against him, but why if Grindelwald could have just destroyed the blood pact?
2) If the blood pact was just a failsafe to protect himself against Dumbledore then surely it would have been smartest to keep it locked down and safe somewhere? Instead he keeps it on him at all times.
2.5) Actually, he even tends to wear it over his heart, hence how the niffler stole it.
3) Last but not least - he would rather die than to let Voldemort steal from Dumbledore's grave. Despite the fact that Voldemort kind of pushed the same ideas Grindelwald had.
And a bonus one that's purely my speculation - because Dumbledore never beat Grindelwald in that famous duel, he won because Grindelwald gave up. We know that in a fair duel, the Elder Wand always wins, that's the point. And in all of recorded history, there was only one exception to the rule - the Dumbledore/Grindelwald duel. What if it wasn't an exception, and Dumbledore never managed to beat Grindelwald through magic? What if at some point Dumbledore told Grindelwald to just kill him if he's so sure that what he's doing is right, and Grindelwald just can't do it, so when he's emotionally distraught and pretty much has given up, Dumbledore disarms and puts him to prison?
So, the school that encouraged Dark Arts, themselves, expelled Grindelwald for his Dark magic.
This tells a way lot about Gellert Grindelwald.
They didnt expelled him for using dark magic only but rather for using it on his classmates
Grindelwald fatal attacks on other students and deadly experiments 🧫 caused him to get kicked out 🔬
No one gonna talk about the fact that Dumbledore is 117 years old?
It's okay, Bathilda Bagshot is like 150+ years old 🤭
@@lasvina3610 was* RIP
i thought dumbledore was 150+
he was 150 when he died wizards live longer then muggles
@@harrison420yamarj7 yeah i know wizards live longer
You know a book is great when even years after it was published, you can still find new things and it amazes you.
".. even after years..." and then theres Tolkien
None of these things are new though, I'm just saying
I don't understand why people are so surprised that Jude Law turned into Michael Gambon in only ten years. This is the same series where the hottie Tom Riddle turned into Voldemort.
Lol. But Tom has the Horcruxes as an excuse.
He didn't look bad for 110 plus ....
True ...i always hated how she turned hot Tom into a freak...i mean just coz he was a villain doesnt mean he has to be ugly!!!!....i know its coz of the horxrucs but still...he can have scars or some shit...but wipe out his whole nose...thats a bit exagerating dont u think?
@@asyri305 Well it was a children's book , the bad guys tend to look evil and over the top . Plus when you split your soul it's bound to affect your appearance.
The readers were older when she really introduced Grindewald .. who didn't need two tone eyes for you to know he was bad news .
Same as Dumbledore was potrayed as a kind good man earlier on ... Yet in the latter books his story goes down a dark path .
She adpated the suitations to the readers level of understanding
@@asyri305 no, it's not because he;s a villain so his look is freak, it's because he split his soul into many pieces so he's not "human" anymore, his look changes from human ---> devil. JKR explains this before, you can search to understand easier
I believe that Grindelwald really love Dumbledore too.. It is like nowadays, people are afraid showing their feelings to the one their love (most specially if it is same sex) to avoid judgement from the society but in their own little ways they showed their love like Gridelwald did by keeping the secrets of the elder wand to Valdemort to save Dumbledore
Your right they’re love ❤️ was tragic but too strong the bond between them can never be broken
Old Dumbledore looked like that old, wholesome and loving man that everyone adores.
Young Dumbledore is
Hawt.
Which old Dumbledore
yes
IT’S HOT NOT HAWT!!!
True thoooo
LITERALLY
Dumbledore feeling disdain for muggles at a younger age would not have been so far fetched as it was the abusive act of muggles that made Ariana “ill” and put his father in “jail”. He lost more than half of his family because of that one act by muggles. So his resentment towards them and his youthfully rash behavior would’ve been enough to push him over to that belief. He found easily in Grindewald a kindred spirit that could’ve easily been felt as love. But as much as Dumbledore resented muggles, he was not a torturer and was not willing to go as far as Grindewald would’ve. That is the one true thing about Dumbledore.
But the movies Harry Potter and Deathly Hallows Part 1 says something else. Grindlewald revealed Dumbledore's name to Voldemort and said the elder wand is buried with him. How can the book and movie differ over this?
I don't think he ever liked Muggles . The way he treats them doesn't make him much better than most wizards . Then again Arthur Weasley wasn't a saint .
@@hannahdyson5603 How exactly did Arthur Weasley and Dumbledore treat them badly?
@@med2946 because movie makers are known to change details from books to add more plot or drama. The HP books’ canon overrule the HP movies’ canon if the movies’ canon contradicts the books may canon
Dumbledore should hate muggles considering what they did to his baby sister
After seeing the latest movie this makes me even more sad. Like when they said: you were as close as brothers
And his like: no we were more then brothers..
My HeArT
Elsa L Berlin SAME!
GoD my silly bf was like "GeeY" in theater and I almost murdered him. Lol
Lol xD
They knew each other for 2 months before Ariana died and Grindelwald literally left the moment she died.
I feel like Grindelwald either used Albus down to the last bits before whatever caused Ariana's death, or Albus is a liiiiiittle bit exaggerating, considering at the time he said "oh we were closer than brothers" its been like what. 30 years at least since they last met or have spoken to each other?
They barely met, Albus developed a crush that Gellert likely tried to exploit, maybe developed some feelings himself, then Ariana died, Gellert ran. End of story.
P Crassen Watch the official DVD bonus video, the feelings were mutual and they had a romantic relationship. Weather she always intended to go that way or not, I don’t know
I so much want J.K Rowling to write a book about Albus history, it would be so nice !
Same thing, but for Snape..
@@georgiosrinakakis934 and voldemort
Agree!
@MONALISA N O
draco is overrated
Ron is underrated
The secrets of dumbledore is coming next year!!!!
Am I the only one who has ever wondered what Ginderwald thought when Dumbledore died? Or is it just me
I also wonder, there was around 6 months difference from their deaths
It's very important what Gellert told Voldemort. Some times i think they never stopped seeing each other. How Grindelwald knew the wand didn't belong to Snape? He told Voldemort: That wand will never be yours or something...
@@chimalmadanza8548 Well, he is a seer so he was still having visions in prison, (He probably saw Dumbledore get killed months before it happened) But now that we're on this topic didn't Double G say "There are so many things you will never understand, You can never win." Which may mean that in the end that he realized a life of power will never lead to happiness only love will-
@@lasvina3610 yeh, but he needed the skull to see the future. Didn't he?
@@chimalmadanza8548 No he needed to that show his visions to people who could not read his mind to see them :d
The scene with dumbledore drinking the potion always makes me tear up😢😢
Unknown Human do you know the reason why he was drinking that potion that Harry was feeding him? I forgot lol
mbj920 it’s because they were trying to get the locket at the bottom of the basin because they thought it was a horcrux
Unknown Human ok thanks! And the only way to get rid of that potion I guess was for someone to drink it? Also what effect did that potion have on Dumbledore, because Snape killed him not the potion. Thanks again I forgot!
mbj920 the potion was supposed to weaken the drinker not to kill them because Voldemort wanted to know how the person knew abt his horcrux and how they found out abt the location. If that makes sense
Unknown Human awesome thank you a lot! Makes sense now!
You've some serious emotional power behind your presentation. I see SO many Harry Potter videos from SO many people and yours is the first that I found that is both informative and carries the heart of the stories. Thank you very much and I am now subscribed. Have a wondeful one!
Ok
jaspr1999 I'd fuck Hermione though, and Luna!
jaspr1999 Yes. This 1000%. It is poetic, in its own way. A tribute to the beauty of the prose .
I thought the opposite. I guess there's an audience for everyone.
Mycelius TV - Yup!
Imagine what would have happened if Grindelwald had not gone bad.He could have become minister of magic and Dumbledore Hogwarts headmaster.A very strong duo
Grindelwald could’ve been headmaster of durmstrang
But Grindelwald went to Durmstrang
So many characters have a back-story and detailed character.
It really makes me wonder how jk rowling came up with all of that from her head.
Damn she is brilliant
It bothers me so much that in the movie they had Grindelwald do the exact opposite and just volunteer the elder wand's location.
'It lies with him..' IKR I was what the actual heck lol
more drama, more (maybe) movies/plots = more money
It would have been fun to watch Voldemort being taunted and loosing his temper ....
I was saying the same thing.
Exactly!!☹️ In movie it was Grindelwald who told voldemort abt Wand!
And voldemort didn't kill him! He was still alive
Still a better love story than Twilight
It Always will be.
Sorry, wrong ship.
Yes, and Mozart beats Justin Bieber every time of the day.
Anything is better than Twilight.
are you implying that this love story is in any way bad?
Well, they tried to kill eachother, Two brothers were torn apart, and a younger sister died, but still.
ChasireIsland 💀💀
I believe that Gellert is really toxic, self-centred, vain, volatile and... whoever he is. But he also was just a boy expelled from school and abandoned by everyone. He could go a good direction, but Ariana's death brought an end to anything good in Gellert's life. He acted like a coward, he escaped, leaving Albus, but who knows what happened that summer. We don't know how he felt about Albus.
I can't judge him. Sometimes it's better to leave people you love than hurt them.
Yup you just described him-
Your dead wrong 😑 about Grindelwald he was Dumbledore’s best friend and secret lover he couldn’t take the risk of being blamed for dumbledore’s sister death but it was Dumbledore’s brother’s fault had he stayed out of their way and minded his own business Ariana would never have died
@@francheskajulien8799 no it was Grindelwalds fault. He used crucio on aberforth
@@abdirahmanidris290 aberforth started the fight he should have left his brother alone dumbledore’s friendship with Grindelwald was none of his business Dumbledore is the big brother it’s his choice on who he likes and wants to be with aberforth doesn’t get to tell his older brother what to do with his life 😘
@@francheskajulien8799 but they were planning to imprison muggles. It wasn't a good plan and ariana was being neglected by albus also.
So basically the whole Harry Potter series is because of Bathilda Bagshot...
Explain please?
@@Srinidhi00726 I'll do a quick Diagram.
Bathilda Bagshot takes guardianship of her nephew Gellert Grindelwald --> Realizes her Nephew is Lonely and bored and makes him meet the other bored and lonely boy next door --> Albus Dumbledore and Gellert Grindelwald meet and collab on an idea that wizards are above muggles/No Mag's and agree that the statue of secrecy should be destroyed --> They accidentally fall in love and create a blood pact.
(This is actually really important because a bloodpact/bloodtroth (while funnily enough can stand for marriage, which may perhaps be a factor why it *was* a bloodpact and not an unbreakable vow) can be broken.)
While Grindelwald rises to power and becomes a household name he particularly inspires a young Tom Riddle, who Albus Dumbledore hastily welcomes him to Hogwarts opening him up to magic and information --> Grindelwald falls due to Albus Dumbledore defeating him leaving many parts of the world in shambles parting the way for Tom Riddle AKA Voldemort --> Voldemort rises to power.
And you probably know the rest lmao
TDLR; Basically the Boy Next Door trope gone wrong.
@@lasvina3610 it really shows how one un-important person can change the course of history without even intending to.
@@dalemarinez5837 Honestly? Yeah. It doesn't matter who you are; you still can make life-changing decisions that I find both terrifying and inspiring. (Why am I writing this like an English essay idek)
@@dalemarinez5837 It literally shows the genius of JK Rowling.
I think Ariana died because of Dumbledore's spell or Grindelwald's spell reflecting off the other due to the power of the Blood Pact, and it reflected into Ariana.
Edit: New Theory/This one going into depth:
Ariana's story was that two muggle boys attacked her for using magic, and traumatized her. Her mother decided to lock her up in the basement, keeping her from the eye of general public. One when Ariana's mother came to visit her, Ariana had a magic overload and killed her. Abeforth became her guardian, seeing as Albus was quite reluctant to the idea. He was too busy planning for the rise of "the greater good". Some time after hearing his and Gellert's plans, Abeforth confronted them, breaking into a 3 way duel. In the wiki, it is said that Ariana tried to stop them. Here is my idea of the duel:
Abeforth/Gellert start it off. If it's Abeforth, it's to stop their plans. If it was Gellert, it's to get rid of the problems in the way. I think at first, Albus took Grindelwald's side, but not shooting to kill- rather to disarm or bring him out of conciousness. Albus then heard Grindelwald attacking his brother with spells of the lethal kind, and decided to distract Gellert by facing him off. This is when Ariana comes in and tries to talk sense into the boys. Gellert becomes tierd of her babbling, and throws her aside with the spell. Albus can stand almost anything, except for someone hurting his family. He, anger in eyes, casts a spell at Grindelwald. One that CAN kill, but has a respectable chance not to (not Avada Kedavra, basically). Grindelwald throws the spell aside with a flick, or the blood pact reflects it, and the spell hits Ariana.
Ariana was an Obscurial. Her supressing magic had to bring this parasite into her. Parasites, just as viruses or any host-reliant organism doesn't want their host to die. They need to feed off it, home in it, and strive. It'll be difficult for the Obsurus to find another host than Ariana, because Wizards/Witches supressing their magic aren't a very common find. In theory, The Obscurus would try to protect itself from the spell cast by Dumbledore, perhaps having to sacrifice Ariana and her last strengths to keep itself alive. Gellert, recognizing the danger of the thing exploding out of Ariana's body (we know she was buried, so her body had to be somewhat in tact), ran. He knew Dumbledore was no longer an ally of his, and needed to go.
Great point!
Sofia StarWolfie 😵😮 And this is why he always felt the guilt! His love for Grindelwald killed her. Lita Lestrange asks him if he loved his sister. He replied with “Not as much as I should have.” Possibly because he put his love for Grindelwald over his love for Ariana.
Plot twist: she may have accidentally killed herself! She went from surpressing her skills to trying to be pro, so if anyone was gonna muck it up, it would be her. Maybe she killed herself, it's kinda similar to the way Luna's mother also accidentally killed herself with magic. If someone who's an adult and practised magic mucked it up, then it would be easy for someone not trained. I highly doubt the pros in that fight, and let's face it all 3 were, did it by accident. I also hate how much it depressed Albus when his sister literally had NO life and was in constant misery. It should have been a big relief that she was no longer suffering and in a better place with her mother. Gridelwald sucks for abandoning Albus just as he was free to do what he wanted to do for the first time, and for not helping him get over the accident, he sounds like a complete sociopath tbh who didn't care for anyone's feelings but his own.
Thats a nice theory! Man I wanna know more about the bloodpact
Sofia StarWolfie I think the blood pact was made after she died
Can somebody make this a movie. NOT fantastic beasts, The Beginning Of Dumbledore :)
Bernard Jones yeah agree.. because all Fantastic beast movies lead to the battle between Grindewald and Dumbledore.. it would be better if Fantastic Beast is the separate movie apart from the feud between Grindewald and Dumbledore
You have to wait until 3 more Fantastic Beasts movies, but I would like a movie like that too
I want special series of book written by JK. Rowling about it... just like HP series. Sure, it will be great..
@@prima2398 My God... it would terrific indeed omg I want it to happen now!! Dx
just wait 3 more episode of fantastic beast
The last minute made me cry... Now Grindelwald is one of my favorite characters from the Harry Potter universe...
For The Greater Good, bring back Johnny Depp as Grindelwald.
Yeah I agree, the Amber Heard situation is complete bullshit, and Johnny Depp should never have been fired over that shit.
Johnny gave the weakest performance as a Potter-world villain by far. He probably killed the 'Beasts' franchise unless Madds can turn it around with a great performance and better movie in Secrets of Dumbledore.
@@daveclark8337 Mads got no aura. He just another villain in the movies that people only can remember. Anyway, Johnny's got fired because of amber heard shit, it's nothing to do with his performance as Grindelwald.
@@aishahdzol7916 If Grindelwald hadn't flopped at the box office, Depp would still have a job. That movie was awful.
@@aishahdzol7916 Mads got no aura? You are entitled to your own opinion but I suggest you watch his other works too to know how charismatic he actually is
I think Grindelwald had feelings for Dumbeldore too if not more .During their duel Grindelwald had the s strongest wand ever existed but yet he lost which kinda doesn't make sense considering his ability as well as power from the wand. I think he gave up intentionally either because of Dumbeldore himself or the guilt he felt because of death of Dumbeldore's sister.
I know that he stole the Elder Wand after the duel, so after he left Albus and the England...but I think he felt something for Albus too
He probably did, but his narcissism and ambition grew bigger.
@@MsRaydia question
Grindelwald
@@silvertongue9021 quw
I just realized it, Dumbledore is like Professor Xavier in X-Men. Both fought for muggles/non-mutants(humans in X-Men).
OHMYGOD FINALLY SOMEONE VOICES THIS Thank God I'm not the only one who thought about this
Yes and grindelwald is like magneto
Jagdeep singh erik and charles🥰
Also people firstly believed that both of them are really good and innocent. Instead of that we are still recovering their dark secrets or manipulations.
@@renata.zollerova did people ever think Xavier was evil? Albus was presumably a saint until after we meet Aberforth and Rita Skeeters book.
What’s interesting, Dumbledore, at one point, had possession of all the Hallows, though I’m not sure all at once. He had the Invisibility Cloak from James Potter, the Elder Wand from Grindelwald, and the Resurrection Stone, which he got from one trip to Voldemort’s ancestral home.
What if Harry became an Obscurus while living with the Dursleys?
That is to much for my brain
given the way he was treated that should have been a real possibility. You'd think someone would have put a stop to the abuse
What if?!?! Omg
He wouldn’t have become an obscurus because he had no knowledge of his magic so he wouldn’t be able to conceal his magic
@@oaks2516 maybe after finding out about his magic. Probably resenting it for causing all that abuse over the years
Who came here after the crimes of Grindelwald?
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Albus was a hottie
I think Grindelwald was too. I can't blame Dumbledore for falling for him, Jamie Campbell Bower is fire...
Ofcourse, who doesnt love jhonny deep? Jhonny deep make dumbledore gay
Preach it
@@yunamchill9169 YES AMEN TO THAT
Grindelwald was tapping that hottie making him his XD
"The boys took to each other at once"
"They got on like a cauldron on fire"
👀
That ain't no brotherly love lol
@@viazpar1418 more than brother for sure
I think that if the incident with Ariana had not happened, they could have succeeded. They could rule the world. Grindelwald would lead the way and Dumbledore would keep him on track.
Lets just say Dumbledore and Grindelwald dueled with their wands many times ;)
Sigh
Ha
Flick and swish
Jk Rowling would be so pleased with u right now lol
@Rwaggy Rwuper Rwinstincts I wheezed- hahahahhahahaa
This was incredible!!!! So glad I just discovered your channel! More videos please!!!!!!!!
Thank you! More on the way! :)
Jackie, I agree. I can't get enough of HP fan video's, and this channel (which I also just discovered) looks really good.
Couldnt agree more! Seen 3 videos so far and they are all amazing! Even having read all the books, it 's still awesome to see things in a chronological order.
Hell yes, this was brilliant. So much back round info really helps you feel like part of the universe.
Yup, I just did too
In the last book, gellert is supposed to refuse voldemort, showing remorse and love which is a redemption for him. In the movies he just readily gives the location telling voldemort to break into dumbledores tomb
Some people think that dumbledore’s love for grinderwald faded after he became “evil” but I think that he always loved grindelwald just hid it as he got older.
I kinda have a feeling that maybe no one killed Ariana....because (most likely) shes an obscurus (or however you spell it 😆) and Newt did say that the reason obscuruses don't live long is because they can't handle and control their power. I have a feeling during the fight Ariana was stressed and lost control of herself and the power just destroyed her....eh i don't know I'm just guessing...
That makes sense actually since they never really disclose what happened to her just her brothers
I only wonder what is it that those boys did to her that hurt her so deeply that it drove her to hate herself so much that she basically neglected that part of herself until it killed her, it makes me sad to even imagine what it might have been, I really feel like jk had to give us some disclosure on what happened to Ariana
It’s definitely a possibility!!
Maybe yes, maybe not. Any other way, the guilt ate them up.
true
As a big fan of the Harry Potter franchise, this made me feel sad. "Strongest iron is forged in hottest fire." Even though the Harry Potter franchise is fictional, it teaches us all life lessons.
For the people saying that Rowling made Dumbledore gay for publicity right now: She released this information right after the last book was published. Moreover, the story revolved around a seventeen year old boy, why on earth will a man who is more than a century older than Harry discuss his sex life with him?
There's also the fact that Dumbledore's sexuality was not relevant to HP's plot, which already HAS so many layers and details, but it is relevant to this plot.
Therefore, I request y'all to kindly NOT be dum-dums and read things properly before making statements
You siad everything I wanted dto but you managed to shorten it down ere you dodnt need a whole book to write it
Please we all knew since 2007
Dumbledore ain't gay
@@CaptAwesumNo1Zone your not the author so what you say doesnt mstter lmao
I mean I figired out he was Gay when I was 9. I had asked my parents what Gay people were exactly and after a bit of analysis over some characters, I came to the conclusion that Dumbledore at least presented some Gay Stereotype. Looking back that didn't apply to only Gay people but when Rowling confirmed he was Gay, I wasn't surprised at all.
Grindalwald will always be a much better villen then Voldamort. Grindalwald has that deepness to him that Voldy will never have
I rarely comment on RUclips videos but I feel compelled to tell you this video and this channel is exceptional
thanks so much! :)
Yup, 10++
In Hobbo we trust
+MovieFlame yes, agreed. i have only just discovered this channel and don't understand why it has never come up in my previous searches. thank u for the post.
My name is Gellert Grindelwald or I could be known as Percival Graves.
One of the early drafts of the script for the Half blood prince there was a line where Dumbledore recalled to Harry about a girl that he once liked in his youth. During the table read JK Rowling scribbled out the line and wrote at the side of it Dumbledore is gay and passed the script back to the writer. JK Rowling knew from very early on that Dumbledore was gay.
Yeah! I don't know why people turn on Jo without knowing the facts.
It would've made the half blood prince even worse
yeah. it *may* have been a fact revealed by rowling [who i do not stan anymore] for the representation she didn’t give properly in her books or whatever, but even whilst reading the deathly hallows, and reading about their ‘close relationship’, i just knew that there was something more than friendship. their ‘close friendship’ just had the inclinations of a relationship to me, as a deep observer. and that was before i even knew that rowling revealed that dumbledore was gay. it’s very subtle, in my opinion, and definitely not enough to show that he’s gay but i think rowling did know that dumbledore is gay when she first wrote their relationship. rowling isn’t the best person [not with her transphobia, nope] but she’s a brilliant writer. she has the endings of her stories planned beforehand and it’s clearly depicted throughout the franchise. like her or not, there is no denying that she is extremely talented in writing and is gifted with a clever story making mind so there is a huge possibility she didn’t tell dumbledore’s gay during the series but rather after.
Wow, i didn't know that
You can’t blame dumbledore for loving Grindelwald ❤️
Dumbledore will *always* (get it?) and forever be one of my favorite characters. One of my favorite scenes between Harry and him takes place at The Mirror of Erised. Fans have a lot of speculation over what Dumbledore saw, but most of us have concluded that he saw himself reunited with his family - however, I’ve always thought there was something a bit more to it. I remember him saying he saw a nice, warm pair of socks. I know Dumbledore’s not a house-elf, but what do socks represent to a certain species (cough, Dobby)? What was Dumbledore’s biggest regret? (Cough, Ariana).
*I think Dumbledore wanted to be free of his guilt for what happened with his sister.*
I would love to say, that J. K Rowling also said, in the cursed Child, that Dumbledore's portrait in Harry's office said that love blinded him.
Dumbledore, for me at least, is the most interesting character in the "Harry Potter" series. And his relationship with Grindelwald has always been interesting to me. I hope the next "Fantastic Beasts" movies do it justice.
I will scream out loud if I see Dumbeldore VS Grindelwald's fight in the trailer of Fantastic Beast 2"
It would be cool to see the fight, but I would suspect that'll be for the very last movie. So I think we're in for quite a long wait, haha.
Dumbledore is such a strong, mysterious person that fails to disappoint. I wish I knew him
J yes Snape is the most complex, I agree although Dumbledore is in the top 5 complex and interesting characters for me
I'd say the most interesting, complex and fascinating character is Lord Voldemort.
HARRY!! DID YOU PUT YOUR NAME IN THE GOBLET OF FIRE!!!1
Calmly
Dumbledore Asked Calmy
Trim Prism gets me every time 😢😂
Drives me crazy every damn time 🤦🏻♀️
He asked calmly
from what i can see some people believe that Dumbledore is being used by Grindelwald but I believe that Grindelwald actually loved Dumbledore :)
I think the reason Dumbledore refused to face him is not only he fears the truth of Ariana's death
But deep down, Dumbledore still had feelings for him
Of course he still has feelings 💙 for his best friend
Part of the reason he probably was was ok with grindewalds plan was because his father was sent to prison for the rest of his life, mother was killed and sister was deeply Traumatize due to the actions of Muggles. Especially since it happened so close to when his mother died and the reasons for him not being able to reach his full potential
Actually he dont, he cant fight with grindelwald because they made a promise not to fight with their own blood
TheGeneral Zhukov I don’t remember when they made this promise but Grindewald ended up fighting with Dumbledore’s brother. And I’m sure he fought other pure bloods in his fight to take over so I doubt the promise stopped him
@@OkYouAreAmazing no I mean when they made the promise the used their blood and it become like the unbreakeble promise, in the movie dumbledore ask newt to get the blood so he can destroy it so he can fight grindelwald
TheGeneral Zhukov but isn’t that a new movie reveal?
He was a horrid person ( Albus)
Why do not they put these stories in a the actual movie
Thats how it is. Normies cant take such information
They put some of this stuff in the books but the movies a lot of things were missing out because you only have a certain amount of time limit type thing for a movie so the books will explain more than the movies
Bc theres a thing called run times
Because seeing gays exchanging “wands" would be disgusting
@@hafisismail4001 Yet you're here watching this.
I really love the Grindelwald and Dumbledore love story, so full of tragedy and heartache
They’re like Romeo and Juliet 🔥
Grindelwald was more powerful and talented then voldy
He wasnt immortal, thats why Voldy was stronger.
@@enisserifi926 so what if he is immortsl? Grindelwald has waaaaaaaaaaay more skills
@@puniod7668 He wasnt as evil as voldy. Voldy was truly dark, while Grindelwald wasnt and thats why he fell.
@@enisserifi926 he is described as the most dangerous wizard, Voldy learnt from him
Snake man
“Gay people just look like people”
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Banana Bangers They tend to stand out a bit
@@myamdane6895 ye like there voice and facial features.
@@bananabangers8132 Only some. The ones that stands out are the only ones you know that might be gay. The majority you can not tell. Of course, some you thought might be gay turn out to be straight.
It's jk Rowling who said that not him... But ok
Why don't we get a movie about Dumbledore and his family and Grindelwald no seriously I would love to see that movie....I would love to see his back story who else agrees
I really, really want a story on Voldemort, his rise to power and detail of his years at Hogwarts and after, they can end it when he does the killing curse on Harry. Then again I wouldn't mind seeing a movie on Voldemort's point of view during the Harry years too.
Yeh! Voldemort's life, and Lucius, Bellatrix, Snape, and the Marauders at Hogwarts!!
Duh... fantastic beasts 2
Broke back mountain
Yeah same and also a book all about the time when the marauders where in Hogwarts
We need a proper Book series on the crimes of Grindelwald and the build up to the battle between Grindelwald and Dumbledore. Personally I like to think that Grindelwald did in his later years show remorse for his actions through seeing what Voldemort had done and realising that he had been young,Naive, Arrogant and blinded by his quest for power. His redemption was not telling Voldemort the location of the Elder wand, not giving the Tyrant what he wanted, protecting his old friend one last time, to be reunited with him later. Grindelwald realised the error of his ways and knew that Voldemort was ultimately Evil and in the end Grindelwald was in fact more human than Voldemort could ever be. Xx
Is it just me or that when dumbledore was young he looked like timothée chalamet?
Once you see it!
The Tragic Love Story.
Now I can't wait even more to see their confrontation in The Crimes of Grindelwald!!!
Sour Wolf it also takes place after their friendship. You will see subtle hints and allusions to it but nothing significant. Rowling is the producer of these films, they will come out how she wants them.
It comes out on my birthday and I’m sooooo excited😂😂😫😅
They won't have a confrontation in CoG, because they don't meet until 1945, which will happen in the 5th film
A weird version of Romeo and Juliet
It's won't be the focus of the film series. It's mainly going to be about Newt and Team Newt. They're going to reference it, which is why he said to Newt in the trailer: "I can't move against Grindelwald". That's a direct reference to the duel that cost Ariana her life.
Honestly I think why some have trouble believing he was gay all along was because generally gay characters are characterized as that guy whose entire identity consists of being gay. It's really turned some people off, especially as sitcoms start adding more and more of this stereotype pushing the normality. Dumbledore was refreshing to me. It wasn't his identity. He was just a guy, just happened to be gay. Anyway, great video! I love these :)
hatchettwit I agree with your assessment. Plus, as you said when a character is gay there's only one characterization: flamboyant, pink wearing, and all the other stereotypes we see portrayed in the media and yet depending on where you are from. The portrayal can be very different. I enjoyed the fact that Dumbledore was treated as you said a person who happened to be gay. Being gay wasn't his entire identity.
I agree when I read that Rowling said dumbledore was gay it didn’t change my opinion or feelings of dumbledore I thought it was just another interesting fact I didn’t know about him. Just because I didn’t see him that way didn’t shock me because we don’t really know a lot about dumbledores past and upbringing apart from the few details we learn in the later HP books. Rowling’s response was brilliant because gay people just look like everyone else and are not and shouldn’t be stereotyped
I agree completely, but she also displayed him a little bit as a stereotype(maybe to hint at us, before officially announcing it) - he wore colourful robes, he was especially kind to people, well mannered and following etiquette. People shouldn't be bothered with powerful people being gay or bi - Julius Caesar, Alexander The Great, Hadrian, several English kings, several German kings etc.
hatchettwit I just found out that my female-friend for quite a while likes girls. She was talking about what one girl said about the LGBTQ+ community, that they were just faking it for attention, and she added, “So I’m just faking it?” Little bit of a shock, but your comment sums it up. People don’t go around usually announcing to the world, “I am a girl who likes girls!” Or, “I am a boy who likes boys!” This comment is true.
I personally think of it THIS way. Gay-the stereotype flamboyant so on types. Homosexual-just like any other guy, except they just so happen to like GUYS sexually, instead of women. And if you just fall for one person and never have the same feelings of any other person, male or female, I don't think it should have a classification like this. I mean is there ANY mention of Dumbledore having these feelings for anyone else? No, so it shouldn't be classed as 'gay'.
Others : it's grindleward 😨
Me : it's johnny depp 🤩
Now it's Mads Mikkelsen
R.I.P Michael gambon, you did an amazing job as Dumbledore especially in the half blood prince, you will be remembered as the badass Dumbledore who took on Voldemort and didn’t lose rest easy
Who needs to read anything when we have an amazing storyteller here on youtube!
I think you should write your own original story and present them in the same style as you did with these Harry Potter videos. Now that's something new! Maybe you can collaborate with artists from deviantart or something to illustrate your work.
Just some crazy idea of mine :)
Reading it is a lot better. If you don't feel you have the time for that, I strongly suggest the audio books narrated by Stephen Fry.
His performance is mindblowing.
Life skills mate
In the books, Grindelwald tries to make amends. In the movie, he gives away the truth with no remorse or guilt in his eyes. In fact , he looked happy.
This bothered me the most. Grindelwald was laughing while Voldemort tortured him, didn’t give anything away to him. Considering how powerful Voldemort was with possession and legitimency. It showed that even without a wand, Voldemort couldn’t just use imperio or possession to get the whereabouts of the wand from him. So regardless of his imprisonment by Dumbledore, he still didn’t give him away. Whatever his feelings may have been for Dumbledore, I agree with Harry’s assessment that Grindelwald didn’t want Voldemort to desecrate his tomb.
And also, Grindelwald could say nothing and Voldemort could still figure it out all by himself. How many Elderwand out there that happened to be passed/appeared between two of the most powerful wizards in recent history? Voldemort just wanted to be there for confirmation and also to satisfy his sadism tbh.
No evidence of him making amends or not wanting to have Dumbledore s tomb desecrated it's a fan boy myth.
Why should Grindelwald care what happens to Dumbledore,he was only using Dumbledore for his ideology all along, probably he didn't care about him at all.
He didn't tell voldy anything,as he considered him a fool ,who was making same mistake as him,and scorned him
Which book do they go over this scene? Thank You
So, you think Grindy didn’t ever care for dumbledore?
You have good theories and some of them were right
But Dumbledore before losing Arianna was arrogant. Seeking power and glory, as he wanted before his mother’s death, feeling his family held him back from achieving his full potential
Meeting Grindelwald was liberation for him, he fell for him as he was not only a kindred spirit but he for a time saved him from feeling trapped by his family
Grindelwald did influence him, and yes loving him did brought him deeper into a dark path, but also it brought out what was already within Dumbledore, as he wanted power and glory, and saw Grindelwald’s vision for the world for the best of everyone, for the Greater Good. Caring less about his family until it was too late
Arinana’s death, humbled him, seeing the cost of his dark selfish desires. It was that loss that transformed him into the Dumbledore we know
One who no longer sought power for himself, or to be a great hero for himself but to groom other meek individuals like Newt and Harry to become great and change the world the right way
There should be more focus on his relationship with Grindelwald; movie should not be about just power dynamics
This will tell how wonderful Dumbledore's character was
Dumbledore was a hottie!!
Im not a big harry potter fan but man, the part about him not actually being free made me tear up
Yeah man.....i cried in the 6th movie so bad because when albus was saying those lines.....i knew what he was actually talking about
What about real tragedy happening in the world now,not this fiction and made up story? Get your priorities correct or go see a therapist.
annonymus annonymus Damn you're miserable.
@@pueblo7106 Grow up you silly child . Has it occured to you the quote may strike a cord for other reasons than a character in the book ?
@@davetherave3511 Maybe the poster can relate to the quote and therefore finds it more emotional ?
You may experience it yourself one day
OMG! The most grieving love story EVER. The fan film I also watched showing the break up scene and duel of Albus, Aberforth and Gellert adds up for this tragic story. It is like a documentary happened years ago. 💖
Love how you closed the video your explanations are so beautiful🥺
Dumbledore died protecting wizards and muggles alike from Voldemort while Grinderwald died lying to Voldemort to protect his lover's grave and redeem himself
Bittersweet love story it is written beautifully by J.K. Rowling
You accidentally said that grindelwald got expelled from hogwarts at 4:48.
Lol yeah, I was like wut??
I was so confused
Also said that Dumbledore is a muggle-born when he is a half-blood… at 0:45 so…
@@Lucy_Ashton He said that he is the supporter of Muggle Bornd
Just a little mistake
I hope in one if the fantastic beasts movies we see a flash back of the battle between Dumbledore his brother and grindelwald
i think we might see the real thing! it takes place before the battle so it could be what the series is leading up to
MovieFlame Productions I think we will get to see the legendary battle between Dumbledore and grindelwald and that's what there leading up to but I think we will only get to see a flash back of the battle between Dumbledore, aberforth and grindelwald. As the next movie is based in the 1920's and the battle took place in the late 1890's 20 years before hand. Awesome video by the way.
I also hope that there's a flashback on how intimate they were. Two horny kids in the cold neighbourhood of Godric's Hollow with their "wands" standing up.
..i still wanna ship grindeldore :(
me too
Then do so ^^
You can still ship them
You can do that
@@luv.ch4n except theyre dead already
Grindelwald wasn't a bad person......... he's a badass.......just like magneto of X-Men.......am I right???
Also he got one thing that VOLDERMORT doesn't have.......SWAG!!.......
It makes him a better villian than you-know-who.
i love him!
Me too
Grindlewald and Dumbledore are literally Magneto and Prof X
I love him too lmao
@@vampirzii yahh
This channel is pure GOLD. Great Job!
Ben Adki indeed
When you do something with passion, that's the result.
For those of you needing hints that Dumbledore was gay, speaking as a gay man myself, here are some signs:
He dressed "flamboyantly" and very "colourful" (purples, pinks etc) when he was younger "drawing many curious glances"
He had a great love for knitting
Rita Skeeter describes his relationship with Grindalwald as "very dirty business"
Dumbledore said he knew in his heart what Grindalwald was but he "closed his eyes" (blinded by love)
He never had children or is mentioned in the context of a female love interest
I understand people are triggered that it's not explicitly stated in the books, but you need to keep in mind that our point of view character is Harry and the books are based in the 90s. Contextually it doesn't really seem necessary for the headmaster of the school to disclose his
sexuality to the students and especially Harry (who constantly had a psychopathic serial killer after him). Also you need to take into consideration, perhaps Dumbledore didn't want anyone to know this side of him (as is true for many gay men). Nowadays Rowling is an example of someone who is 'damned if she does and damned if she doesn't".
Stephen I always knew Dumbledore was gay ever since reading the 7th book. She made it so obvious yet people fail to realize that it was there the whole time
Those are just sterotypes. He could have said all of that and still be not gay.
So I assume you're voting Trump 2020?
Yuckssss
Dressing a certain way doesn’t mean you’re gay
Morgan, your editing skills from 8:40-9:05 are just so great and it's so powerful
I would like to believe that GG did not invade Britain, not only because he was apprehensive about Dumbledore but he too did not wish to face the man he had once loved as well as the fact that they both had made a blood pact that they would never fight each other🤔🤔
And I would say that Voldemort died a pathetic death, will be hated by everyone who knows him but in case of GG, he died protecting his best frd and his love, and there will always be two people (Dumbledore and Harry) who would remember him as a better man!!
Oh I love this! ❤️
This has such great emotion in it. I fell like I'm about to cry. I've been watching these origin stories for a while now. You give actual information and not fake stuff. We get to see these characters from a different perspective. You're allowing us to know these characters like we've been beside them their whole lives. These are absolutely fantastic movies. Amazing work
Best story teller everrrrr.....i never took harry potter movies seriously......
But after watching these.....i m watching these movies again.......I CAN LISTEN TO HIM ALLLLLLL DAYYY LONGGG......keep up the good work bro......🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
Sharang Gaur same!!!
Ikr i disliked the movies never read the books. But if i knew the lore was this good, my outlook would be so different
Read the books...
as some one who read the books and watched the movies I will tell you miss a lot of these details when you watch the movies. So I would say read the books or get the audio book.... most libraries have them.
I have listen since I woke up I have no interesting life
I absolutely love your Harry Potter videos!
I do have a video(s) idea though: Maybe you could review/explain Lord of The Rings?
This channel is the best life of channel ever! Keep up the good work Morgan!
YOU NEED TO MAKE MORE !!! THIS IS UNMATCHED ON RUclips 😍
thanks so much! more is on the way :)
she is telling the truth, love how u take scenes from the movies to represent it all, like that duel , at least we have something to watch, ur voice is nice, u read with emotion, seriously i know that u read that before, but, ur channel will explode, im glad i discover it before, for what i saw in ur channel, these origins videos will pave the way to glory , best luck
I really think that you deserve to get to the point where you're crossing over with the likes of SuperCarlinBrothers, because you're absolutely incredible!
thanks so much! Thatd be awesome
I've always loved the story of Dumbledore and Grindelwald... such a great video
this proves that you can fall in love with anyone, no matter how evil or how good. Love is the most unpredictable.
i hope they have flashbacks of this in the new fantastic beats movie !!
yes there is a seen with them in the latest trailer
Of albus and grindelwald👬👅👉👌💦❤👏
This relationship is even getting more important than ever!
They did, a little scene, but it was one of my faves. And I can't wait for more.😋
I mean they kind of did. You could tell it was a romantic relationship, at least on Dumbledores end from what we saw in the new movie.
Grindelwald like woah hol up wat you mean his lover?
Donald Monroe they were gay for eachother bro
dude, didn't you know that Albus was in love with Gellert? Dumbledore was unlucky in love, like so many others.
Wellington Smith bullshit no evidence of love. Was not lovers
Wessidious, ok, Albus was 'in love' with Gridewald but the love may not have been returned. We don't know the whole story, which is one reason I'm waiting for the new movie.
Wellington Smith what new movie?
I’ve been waiting for like a month for this to come out :DDDD
I LOVE this video--I come back to it all the time
It's weird to think that Grindelwald outlasted Dumbledore
Also in a weird way it was a mercy killing. He would die sooner rather than later from the curse on his hand, there was nothing anyone-least of all Snape-could do about it, so in a morbid way they were 'killing two birds with one stone'.
True because I didn't even know until the last book he was alive.
the way he say "CLOSER THEN BROTHERS..!!!" in the crimes of grindelwald its preety clear they was in relationship and the way grindelwald talk about love in the movie.
I really love your hard work MovieFlame your making me learn about different characters lives in franchises keep it up