Crawler Canyon Answers Unasked Questions: What's the least worst RTR ESC?
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Am I testing every one of them? No. But I do happen to have on-hand the "big three," those being the XL-5HV that comes in every Traxxas RTR, the Reedy SC480X from RTR Elements, and the Dynamite DYNS2212, which is in some paintjob or rebadge in virtually every RTR coming from Horizon.
So let's unscientifically and anecdotally determine which is the "least worst" by playing a game of "isolating variables."
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As someone in the hobby longer than many have been alive...I own everything from RedCat to Vanquish and everything in between. I thought we shared a similar mindset of what works, works and who gives a damn about the brand/label. Maybe I was wrong. I use a LOT of Amazon no name stuff, some of it ends up being junk, but some have been absolute gems. (Surpass motors?) The RedCat's have their place. When the Gen8 came out, it forced other brands to get their shit together. I'm grateful for that. The Gen8 V2 AXE edition with the AXE FOC motor/ESC and Reef's servo was an unbelievable deal at $500 and sits right on my shelf next to and capable as some mighty custom built rigs. No shame at all. Again, they did what the other wouldn't and forced them to change. The TRX4 Sport wouldn't exist without the Gen8! I personally LOVE that kind of sh*t! The cheaper rigs (Everest 10, Rockslide etc) got my boys started at 5-7 years old. I wasn't about to spend a grand on rigs for kids under 8! Now they are 12 and 14 building their 2nd and 3rd rigs. Custom twin GMade sawbacks from used EBay deals. If it wasn't for those cheap Redcats - and our local crawler club embracing them and whatever they brought, they wouldn't be where they are today.
I love it when you roast products. The idea that the Associated combo is bad enough to make people straight up leave the hobby had me cracking up 😆
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I have a redcat gen 8, lots of money and custom upgrades in it and I love it. Drives amazingly and is very capable. I drive it hard, geared up to 15mph with an axe 550. And admittedly every now and then I do have to replace gears and, portal shafts. They definitely aren't as reliable as other brands. Only time I'd really recommend one as a good investment is if you were going to only run 2s, and keep it brushed. As a lower power lower speed rig, they're reliable enough 90% of the time. But they're not built to be pushed like other RCs are.
I'm only 10 minutes in, and I know this is a year old, but I adjusted throttle trim on mine so it would move on it's own and I hit a very insignificant rough concrete incline and the motor just stopped. Best testing method I've found and I that's how I knew to search up the ESC
About as i expected! The xl5hv is not bad, not great tho.
I recently bought a trailrunner, element enduro with IFS front end, original body is set aside and on it is a hobbytech Peugeot 504 4x4 Dangel pickup body. The trailrunner came with the 400 version, not 480x, i dread to even try it. Gonna put a 1080g2 and some better motor
Funny, I just opened my Sendero SE and after about 15 minutes I was like "what the hell is up with this ESC???" A quick google search came up and I saw your vid in the results and the vid title lol
This was very informative! I was looking at getting a Hobbywing at some point, and was considering putting it on my TRX. Now it's going to be the replacement ESC on the Sendero SE
That Hobbywing motor did a world of good to these rtr esc. Actually curious about a comparison of the rtr motors vs dissen right cheer.
Had all of these turds and I will NEVER again use ANY any of these turds. But I still loved every minute of the insanity. Thank you for answering the questions we never asked. 😂
This turned out to be an unintentional, unsolicited, unsponsored ad for the Quicrun 540 30T. That thing was a trooper, and probably the only reason this whole thing was even survivable.
@@CrawlerCanyon I was genuinely impressed at the performance with the Traxxas. Enough to be curious about 1080 performance. Thanks again bud!
Friends don't let friends buy redcat, LOVE IT!
Just interesting to note, the Dynamite/Spektrum RTR esc is actually a HW1040 rather than a 1060, so the performance of the redcat hexfly esc would likely be the same.
That's good to know. That might explain some of the decent low-end throttle feel, the thing is just underpowered so it's like a widened powerband.
I would believe if it someone told me the Dynamite was 40A, but still absolutely refuse to believe that the SC480X is 80A.
@@CrawlerCanyon Considering that the Reedy SC400x that's included in some Enduros is also just a rebadged HW1040, it's bizarre that their "upgraded 80A" 480x is worse than their 40A esc. I guess that also shouldn't be too surprising though considering they say the 480x is worth $28 bucks while the 400x is worth $55.
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Sorry for laughing....I love my 1080, that being said it’s crazy how good the HW Fusion is.
They all suck well never had a traxxas!!
But they all are ok.....don’t mind my stock Capra stuff.
Love your snootiness don’t buy it lol!!
Your a freaking riot dude!
Have you looked into the ISDT ESC70? I have 4 of them and absolutely love them at $25 bucks. Bluetooth/app based adjustability. Throttle curve is adjustable and PWM frequency can be changed to eliminate that loud tone. Preforms as well or better than the 1080.
Oh, I have one, sitting in a box, from which it shall never be removed. It rests atop the pantheon of "worst aftermarket products you can buy," for you see-- I was an early adopter, and it never worked even sort of okay, not once, in all of it's service days. It is the product that convinced me that any product without and companion app is probably the better choice. I would truly, honestly, and genuinely rather use any of the ESCs featured in this video that spend another day using an ESC70. I categorize it as one of the worst purchases of my entire life.
As another person commented here you’re rather snooty. I’ve really enjoy the product and it covered every base you mentioned and some. I did see some chatter about the ESC70 having issues and it’s stated that the updates (because it’s app driven) have corrected issues.
Maybe this could be your next video. Unbox the ESC again, update it, and see if you eat your words or don’t. 🤷🏻♂️
@@14shawn44 ah yes, that ESC that’s better than a 1080 despite not being waterproof (it’s not even listed as water resistant) has less power output, no heatsink, and is 100% slaved to an app (you cannot call it a companion app if it is required for the ESC to function). If it’s working for you, that’s great. I wish no hardships on anyone. But it’s not better than a 1080 in any single aspect, that that is supported by actual evidence gathered empirically, rather than a desire to confirm a bias. Where you and your comrade are getting the “snooty” idea (other than from the fact that I don’t like the same things you do) I don’t know. I buy cheap wheels, cheap batteries, cheap radios, etc, etc. My favorite servo costs 60 bucks. I don’t dislike the ESC70 because it’s cheap. I dislike it because of all of the reasons listed above.
I respect your take on all of what you just said. Truth told, I love cheap things too! That’s exactly how I found the ESC I did. Where I stand, there have been updates to this ESC. I’m not sure how old yours is, but new literature says waterproof. I’ve been through creek beds without issue. No, there isn’t a heat sink, but I haven’t felt heat radiating from the ESC to need one.
If yours is in a box to never leave again, try it! Burn it out if need be.
I bought the esc 70 about a year ago and absolutely hated it, trying to set parameters was an absolute nightmare and then the useless thing wouldn’t even start up when I turned it on, I had to recalibrate the throttle every time and even then it wouldn’t start so I just had to pack it up my car and take it home. It sat in its box until November and then I thought I would give it another try and it turned out they had finally updated the firmware and now it’s been working perfectly ever since.
These all have one thing in common. The all go in my Tamiya builds.
The best use for those speed controls is as a winch controller.
Redcat isnt a bully like the company that starts with a T.
My redcat gen 8 v1 Is one of my favorites out of the many rigs I have, I'm a weirdo though lol
When I was using brushed motors in my crawlers I thought the AE-5 was fantastic. My baseline for comparison was standard 1/10 ESC’s for touring cars. My first crawler/scaler had a LRP with 23t motor which was more of an on/off throttle switch. At this point anything with the slightest bit of low speed modulation fit the bill with the highest regards, particularly with the installation of a 87t+ spur gear. Brushless seems to be more of a RPM controller rather than voltage controller which is an all together different experience, but it still begs the question; has brushless ruined the brushed motor experience for us?
I think it just set the bar a lot higher. I'm still surprised by the showing by the Quicrun 540 30T, but don't much care for cheap brushed motors, as you can really feel where they're lacking in torque. Four pole beats two pole, and the big block 540s are just so good it's hard to go back to anything else. I'm still running a fair number of brushed setups overall, but I think save for some holdouts, there won't be much of a brushed market continuing into the future, as $70 Fusions are basically impossible to beat for the money. That Surpass Rocket is SO smooth and powerful, but it plus a 1080 is closing in on an outrunner setup.
I guess in short, I see a future where people are running brushed because they want to, not because they have to.
Just out of curiosity…
are you talking about redcat crawlers or everything redcat?
Just because my 1/5 scale 30cc chimera has been one hellava rig for the price for almost 10 years now🤷🏻♂️to be “that guy” in the comments 😜
Crawlers. I have zero experience with their other offerings, so I can't speak to them at all. Anything I've touched from Redcat that's live axle has been awful. The engineering AND the quality.
@@CrawlerCanyon With all due respect, from the Gen8 forward, you would be very wrong. You do realize they use Hobbywing electronics, and actually have an AXE edition Gen8 with the unit you gushed over in other videos right? Electronics wise they are LIGHT YEARS ahead of Traxxas. If you are talking mechanically, well then...they are all junk in reality. Meaning the Redcat is no less junk than Associated, who is no less junk than Traxxas etc etc. All of them. All fail the most basic standards of the automotive industry. (And I would never expect a $500 scale vehicle to approach said standards.) So in reality you are arguing and splitting hairs about which is bigger piece of sh*t. Good luck with that. This coming from an actual engineer once in the aerospace industry doing defense contract stuff and for the last 20 years in the automotive industry. My literal job is to reverse engineer what the factories produce and improve it. I know what I'm looking at and working on. By bagging on any particular brand, you are alienating people, and not doing yourself any justice. Focus on what's good about them keeping in mind they all are a compromise. Just something to think about.
@@JViello If anyone makes any attempt to present to me an argument that the design or materials employed in a Redcat are in the same league as what is offered by Traxxas or Element, I can't hear anything over the overwhelming fanboyism. The only group more vocal about "HOW DARE YOU NOT LIKE THE THINGS I LIKE" than ESC70 owners are Redcat owners. I will trash on RTR electronics all day long, because they are disposables employed to help maintain a company's bottom line. The fact that there's a Gen8 out there with an AXE in it just emphasizes first, how much better "proper" Hobbywing is compared to OE grade stuff, and how mediocre the design and build quality is from anything out of Redcat. I'm looking at a Wendigo body right now that has less than 30 minutes of total runtime on it and it's quite literally falling apart. I used to have a bin full of broken Redcat parts, until it started taking up too much room.
BTW, I've never EVER, not ONCE gushed over the AXE. I have the AXE V2 in my TRX-6, and it's a stupid dumb system unfit for any rock crawler weighing less than about 12 pounds. It's too high of KV, it's too powerful, it's too much of everything-- but it beats the snot out of putting Castle in there. I don't feel like I should need to tell anyone this in direct words, but here we go: we're all free to have our own opinions, and as this is my channel, I am completely free to express them. If someone gets offended because my opinion differs from theirs, that's absolutely fine. But I'm not going to censor. Nobody is paying me (well, 20 people do contribute) to shill a product, nor could they. I'm going to tell you if not how it is, then at the very least how I see it. I'm an empiricist-- I don't come from a perspective of stats on paper or what or work. Build it, wheel it, talk about it. That's how it works now, and will continue into the future.
BTW, $399 for a Gen9 just shows how lopsided that particular licensing agreement truly is.
@@CrawlerCanyon I don't think you fully understand what I'm saying my brother. They're toys, nothing is designed with a modicum of actual engineering principles and work being done. There is more research, thought and R&D in the water pump of the average sedan than all of these toys combined. It's all a compromise to convince cheap f*cks to lay out a few hundred bucks to have fun acting like a kid again.
All of it.
It is not a bunch of companies putting out the best they can come up with competing with each other. No sir, no way. Saying which one is the best design/engineered etc is like sniffing 5 piles of dogsh*t to argue which one smells "good".
PS. I think the Gen9 was a huge miss on their part. But I hardly blame IHI for that price increase. More like Gen8's flying off the shelves for a couple YEARS! 75% of their demographic target never even heard of "International" as a car brand. lol It's like getting a folk artist from the 60's to make an "appearance". All it takes is 50 bucks and the promise that more than 3 people will recognize them. LOL
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Which card runs the 1080 blue or red? Sorry for the dumb ?
Hobbywing basically just has one card for everything "EZrun," which usually has a generic blue label on it. So the card that does the 10BL60 and others is the same for the Fusions, 1080, etc. The one that's always like 10 bucks on Amazon. Just different stickers. Now, Hobbywing doesn't even supply the appropriate sticker with the ESCs, so we have to like, keep notes. Ugh.
@@CrawlerCanyon Thanks, channel is great sir, learned quite a bit from you we won't talk about the gen 8 I bought for my first cheap crawler eeehhh. We live and we learn lmao
You cant find the red ones 😅
You want a bad oem esc try the carisma arc1. They now have the arc2, but the arc1 was bad
The Vanimal came with an ARC2, and it felt pretty much exactly like the Dynamite. Not awful, but certainly not great.
Proper dispose of the redcat 😂😅 Talking about waste management😁
If you had the Element stock rtr electrics, but only had the money to replace either the motor OR the esc but not both, which would you change? Or is that too hard to answer?!
The ESC is more horrible than the motor for sure
Yes, the ESC for sure. It is truly terrible. Some people actually like 2-pole 5-slots, so the motor might actually work for you. But there's no redeeming the SC480X.
Thank you both. I really like how committed you are to your dislike of this esc.
Thank you for answering my hypothetical question.
@@jims8531 I’m telling you my friend, if you drop a 1080 in there it will feel like a whole new rig. Then it will happen again when you replace the motor.
It’s done! 1080 arrived and its in. And yes, I’m amazed at how different it feels and how much better it performs. No looking back. Thanks!
Another cheap but in my opinion, good esc is the ISDT ESC70. Cheap too, the app is pretty mediocre tho.
Carisma ARC2 ESC is just as good and has more options for programing ANNNNNNNNNNNNND the programming box is smaller, check it out