Make sure All you give this gentleman a like on his videos so the algorithm works and shows more individuals these brilliant videos !!! I was told by vanquish 20 mm for steering servo and 24 mm for dig an OD
That is probably correct on the horns. I just know I refused to buy any, and bodged $2 Amazon horns in there. I spent probably 40 minutes setting up the steering, which would have taken anyone that had the correct bits about 5 minutes.
Wonderful to hear the excitement in your voice, that's one very capable rc. Great job, great video, thoughly entertaining. Well done. John. Might have to pick me up a phoenix...
Well, I've been trying so hard to keep my Phoenix stock, but after watching this, I believe now my Phoenix needs that same Viagra that you have given yours! Great vid and review showing off the Zoku chassis! Can't wait to see the head-to-head with the RPRC chassis!
That is correct. Take what I still think is the best handling rig "box stock," and crank it up to eleven. The amount of adjustability in the chassis is almost overwhelming.
Awesome vids as always my friend! Got my Phoenix ordered and should be here anytime. Zoku chassis is next on the list after seeing this. Amazing performance! The Canyon is amazing! Keep up the good work!
Wow……. I am so impressed. My Phoenix is getting a upgrade. Thank you for the video. I’m so glad I came across your channel. Looking forward to your videos.
About my 5th time watching this, trying to think what else I need lol. The Zoku kit will get to my house tomorrow, and I'll finally make it home tomorrow night or the next day. Already have a stack of packages waiting. Like Christmas morning everytime I get home 😆
Check out the KST DS215MG V3 micro servo. $35 for metal case metal gears. I have one as my dig servo on the 10.3 Bronco. It's a bit noisy under load, but it's fast! Made for helis I believe, but it looks nice and does the job. Also, thanks for introducing me to this kit. I got to drive an RTR Phoenix on Tusks last weekend. That made me want one. This kit just reinforces that.
They really went all-in on speed with that lil' guy. Also, TIL that AGFRC makes like four versions of the A20-- I've only seen the A20CLS-- the CLS meaning coreless-- but there's a brushless version (BLH, BLS, something like that) making a gnarly +150oz on 8.4v. Not that it's necessary. This digs well enough on a servo making like 30 ounces.
- Because of you, Craig, we will finally see what the factory equiped VS410 Phoenix "should have done", from the get go, thanks to ZOKŪ, as well !!! "😯" ...👌 - I will be waiting.....⏳ ...😁✌️
My goodness what a freak. I can't wait to see this one dialed. Weird thought, could you go to an outrunner with enough room to cram a receiver box in the gap of that vfd?
Probably. But this is one of those instances where the motor is so low and so far forward, I'm using the weight. I just used my usual approach to wiring, which is "attack it with zip ties. Looks halfway decent. Blue Sky High NEEDS an outrunner. His CGH is WAY too high.
Zoku's LCG kit looks like, as you've stated, Phoenix viagra. Looking like another upgrade for my Phoenix... Great video and review! Looking forward to your dialed and tuned update with this LCG kit.
Awesome video! Really enjoy watching! I have a Phoenix that has been sitting in box for a couple months and needing built. I just might have to order ZOKU for it!!!
I still feel like your front tires are too firm, but sometimes IDK...that side hill is good. Wheel weights are cheaper than portal weights, and might be enough. Love the video. I want that setup! I currently have my phoenix stripped down, servos removed, 850mah 3s batt on side, 95mm dravtechs on 3.93 tusks with diff adjusted @26% O.D. and I love it. I think it's 57% front weight with nothing added. But, where do you put your winch in that setup? I'd just use the dig servo mount I suppose....
I'll talk to the guy-- I think he could probably rework the front bumper mount into an all-in-one for a micro servo winch mount-- which would be SUPER clean.
And mind you this is close enough to real time (ish) I didn't tune ANYTHING. Just swapped links and changed shocks. It honestly isn't awesome on the 80s, it's just not enough travel with the angle on the shocks, and standing them straight up acts too stiff as the truck has shed three quarters of a pound of sprung. I guess I did tune a little, I just didn't even notice I was doing it.
Damn this is intriguing. My Phoenix is still just a slider since I was waiting for airbrush parts. Nothing like stepping on the air line and hearing a crash to know you done f-ed up 🤦♂. Haven't even driven it yet and going hmm this chassis looks sweet as 😂
The best part is the guy is open to any suggestions I might have, so the front bumper mount has already been redesigned to accommodate a micro servo winch. SOMEONE ASKED ABOUT THAT LIKE 18 HOURS AGO
@@CrawlerCanyon That's so awesome. Gotta love that responsiveness and enthusiasm. This is clearly really well thought out and I'm looking forward to the next one to see how the corner weights work out with a little more fine tuning. During this video I couldn't help but also think that Associated sure makes a good shock
"maybe if i give it stuf it will like me more " - my kind of thinking - you got to have one like that in the Canyon you can use wheel brass weights the ones that screw to the back of the beadlock under the hub - cheaper
I wished we got Vanquish products here in the UK without having to personally inport them. For the VS4-10 Phoenix portal kit it would be around 575usd to inport one after all the taxes
I seem to remember someone mentioning that getting an SCX10 Pro over there was like $750USD, so the Vanquish almost looks cheap by comparison. We pay taxes a whoooole lot (usually three times by the time you've bought something) but if they ever tried to add anything like VAT over here, we'd be throwing something in the harbor again.
It's really good. I haven't even begun to dig into proper tuning, I only just now got the wiring straightened up. But my goodness does it feel almost illegal. In case I didn't make it clear, I DO NOT like it on 80s. The chassis will work, but it really sings on a 90-95mm shock. And it is SO easy to build.
Like and subscribed. I have one favors and a request. First, what is your favorite crawler? Second could you do a video on tuning a crawler specifically an lcg truck. Thanks
I always try to sidestep the question with a winky answer like, "My favorite is the one I'm wheeling at that moment," and that is certainly true. But cards on the table, I'd say Daphne the Sport. No fancy features, built like a tank, and can crush virtually any line. She's so good. For tuning, I would start with the video on anti-squat: ruclips.net/video/f69rOps8gsI/видео.html as it covers the basics. Then fire away with any specific questions you might have.
Very informative video. I have a Portal Phoenix with Zoku kit, and Proline big bore 90 mm shocks. What shock position and oil do you recommend? I also have the stiffer Proline springs on the rig.
I wish I could give you a satisfactory answer to those questions-- but there are too many variables in the way. I have no experience with the ProLine crawler shocks, so I don't know what oil I'd run in them, and shock angle is determined in part by the stiffness of the springs, and I don't know how stiff those are either. Non-specifically, I run between 300cst and 500cst on 80% of the fleet (there are those oddball shocks that need +5000cst oil,) and for springs it's the rate that will keep the shock about 6-7mm from fully bottoming out at RTR weight. If there's most of the shock shaft showing, the springs are very likely too stiff.
@@CrawlerCanyon thank you for the input. Pointing me in the right direction. I ask because your Zoku rig is too sick. Hoping to replicate it! I hope to see a follow up video on your Zoku Phoenix rig. Let’s say the springs are very stiff. More or less angle on shock mounting?
@@shoualor1707 Leaning the shock over lowers the effective rate. A 2lbs/in spring @ 90º is the stated rate, and that same spring laid over at a 45º angle is around 1.4lbs/in. As to a follow up, ruclips.net/video/cenGoNJptmE/видео.html
Where can I buy this ? Great vids mr Crawler Canyon , I also really like your sense of humor with the comments on your sidekick 👌 when you do testruns in your Canyon. Best reg from NL
There would have been one, but zero holes on the Phoenix parts line up with the holes on the RP chassis rails. If it's on RP rails, it's certainly not a Phoenix anymore.
Tough to compare, honestly. One has a lightened VFD in the middle and the other has a full-built VFD-Twin-- and the servos to run it. Capability wise, it's so SO close, but they very different. I'll still take the Twin nine times out of ten, because if I can get dig, I'm gonna take it. The VRD is clearly designed for a pretty specific competitor. The Phoenix is capable out of the box, and feels like cheating with a Zoku in it.
I have them laid over a decent amount compared to stock. Those shocks are of course completely rebuilt, modified, and given to Daphne, Argentum is now on 2660 BIg Bores with Element SE springs, and they're damn near as good. I don't think it's 100% the shock here, and more the geometry.
@@CrawlerCanyon I'm sure it's the Zoku, but I was wondering: is the shock angle 90° starting from ground level or over and are they fully compressed at that point?
Artful dodgers makes some superb quality stuff-- but if you want to "keep it a Phoenix" then it's Zoku all the way, as it was designed to fit the Phoenix body. I also like the OD servo mount from AD, but wildly prefer the dig mount from Zoku. Say we were talking about say the Groundfox I built for Element compared to this? The quality of the 3D prints on the Zoku give it the edge for me, as a guy who doesn't generally trust 3D printed parts. The fit and finish of both is close. I consider AD an "LCG kit" where the Zoku is an "LCG conversion."
Thanks, that makes sense. I have an unbuilt Straight axle and can't decide what to do with it - keep it a Phoenix and try this chassis (small downside I already have a Phoenix portal so looks-wise it'd be a duplicate in the fleet) or try the AD and put a completely different body on (thinking Proline Beetle for giggles). Benefit to AD route is I'd have a spare Phoenix bodyset if I ever destroy the 1st one.
Hi, are you able to give me some advice please? Not sure which servo's to use for the DIG and OD. Can I use the lowprofile Savox SC-1251MGB+ (9kg) for the Dig and OD function?? Or am I better of with the Savox SW-1250MG+ (8kg) as it mentions it is waterproof. Hope someone can help me with an answer; Thanks in advance!! ps. Already have 2 servo's from Savox, therefore the preference for the same brand.
As this is on the Zoku video, I'm going to assume you have a Zoku and therefore need micros-- so yes, the SW-1250 will fit, but I would do everything in my power to talk you out of them. They're pretty much the most expensive micros I've seen. The 1251s would fit the regular Phoenix chassis, but again-- far too expensive. When they're in stock, the Flash Hobby 1227 are my new go-to for micros. Otherwise, it's either the AGFRC A20CLS amzn.to/3T6yAL7, or the super-economy option, the Injora 2065 amzn.to/3t37rhy which are like 2 for 35 bucks, and use standard 25T horns.
@@CrawlerCanyon Thank you so much for your response and time. I really appreciatie it! Till now I only upgraded machines and after many years have the possibility to build my dream machine. :-) The Savox is indeed expensive, but also around the corner as in my country there is not a lot. Still I'll look at your advice. Again thank you so much for all your video's etc. It really helps many people!!!!
God dammit! U got me sucked back in! Had 2 pros and 1 phoenix and sold them all. Just got tired and wanted something more low cg. Now I have to rebuy everything again 🤦🏻♂️ How's the durability of the printed parts ?
I don't think this chassis would present any more difficulty than any other Phoenix SOA conversion-- which is going to be a lot, as you can't can't do BTA servo (the motor is right there) and getting that driver's side upper link is always fun, as that's where the driveshaft lives. Can it be done? I'm sure. Will it be worth it? That's the real question.
For the Incisions, I would say 40 or 50 weight, depending on how much damping you like. With the straight axle shocks, I’d say start with the top row, middle hole, and adjust accordingly. Further back will raise the body and raise the effective rate, moving them forward will lower the body and soften the effective rate.
Removing weight is also a strategy, but when I'm talking tunability, it's generally about suspension tuning, from shock setup to link lengths and positions. Sometimes weight is unavoidable, and getting the sprung/unsprung ratio where I want it simply isn't physically or economically feasible, so I unfortunately have to start doing the math and fiddling with links again. Sometimes it's as simple as changing shock length, angle, or position... but most often it's not.
The difference being all of the material in the Artful Dodgers box feels... odd. Like, you can tell it's not from here. My stuff arrived in a strange light-green padded envelope that felt like it came from the past.
I would have to disagree about the Phoenix being the most capable crawler out of the box. I hate my Phoenix. It's top heavy and likes to roll over so I bought Rock Pirates shock towers to lower cg. Still not a great crawler. My slightly modified Element builders kit V1 walks all over my Phoenix. Both have RP shock towers, fusion pro, rims and tires done...no other mods and my Element embarrasses my Phoenix and at 2/3 the cost. My Utron does as well as my Phoenix and that has even less done to it. Build quality is good, but I'm not spending another $300 just to make it climb better. Especially when all the bits in that kit are 3d printed. I 3d print a lot of stuff and not just in PLA. I have PETG, ABS...something always breaks. Also, from your first test, this thing was not very capable until you fixed the caster and stopped the front end from being pushed around. I still dig the videos because it's good to see other peoples opinions and set ups. This isn't something I would waste my money on and I know a lot of people will disagree but that's ok too. You're excited about it and you bought it so that's all that matters. Unrelated to the Phoenix, I tried the Fusk and they don't do too well on these Arkansas rocks. You win some, you lose some and this isn't the first time I expected different results and was shocked that they didn't perform.
I don't wanna just say, "you're doing it wrong," but if that's your sum total experience with the Phoenix, then... you're doing it wrong. The Phoenix in stock configuration isn't any more top heavy or prone to tipping than anything else out of the box. I do take note that you neglected to mention what body is on the Element-- but my guess is that it isn't a Phoenix. Give 'em a body swap and see if anything changes. The Phoenix does remarkably well in stock configuration of that body. Sure, you can suck some of the fun, spirit, and life out of it by putting a (retch) Cliffhanger on it and fix most of people's perceived problems. But sometimes it's not just about the easiest route to the destination. Don't get me wrong, I love me some Element-- there's Element on most of the rigs in the fleet to some level or another. But an out-of-the-box Enduro SE vs. a Phoenix? Not very close. Against a Zoku Phoenix? Not even fair. I'm not surprised about the Fusk. Lots of tires are location-specific. The Jetko Conquerors did great here, then went off to their forever home in Montana and did not do well at all. Some people have luck with Pitbull, and I've yet to have a tire from them do even remotely well here. Some tires are a bit more "universal." Oh-- I usually feel the same way about 3D printed parts, in that they have no place on rock crawlers outside of beer coolers or other scale gubbins. BUt Zoku is doing 85-100% infill, and the fit and finish of the parts is as good as what's coming from name brands. Never so much as cracked a single part.
@@CrawlerCanyon I love, and appreciate, that you respond so thank you! You are correct about the body on the Element. I either run the Gozer body with Traxxas Canyon Trail tires or the Proline VW crawler bug body on class 1 RC4WD Flashpoints because they fit this body without having to hack it up. I think this gives it a slight disadvantage because it's straight axle and not portals so I lose some ground clearance but I understand this is a highly debatable subject. What's funny about this is that my normal group of crawling buddies is made up of of 3 other guys that usually bring a Phoenix themselves. One is a straight comp build, super lcg, super low profile body, portals...I'm talking TONS of money in this build. The other has a slightly more modified than mine Phoenix and his seems to do the best. None of us are winning any comps with the Phoenix, not even the highly modified one. I'm no pro, I'll admit that straight away, but I do have a collection of 18+ other crawlers from 24th to 1/8th scale that all do pretty well so I'd like to think I understand what it takes to make these things somewhat competent crawlers. I just can't figure out this Phoenix. Then again, maybe the terrain here is just not Phoenix friendly? Seems like a HUGE stretch but I don't know what else to make of it. I agree that Element is not a first choice when people think amazing crawlers. Having said that, we have some others guys in our groups that went fully belly drag comp style rigs. One of them does particularly well and has a couple of climbs named after him, or his rig, because he's the only one that can make it up. The names were almost changed because my element also made these climbs. I posted video in the group we're all part of and it fueled a massive heckling for a couple of the guys that try and try and try but can never get up these things. It's really quite confusing to watch and even more so because it was done on class 1's. I truly do appreciate that you take time out to respond. I can't thank you enough for not leaving people on read. Just one more aspect of your channel that makes it so great. Thank you!
@@urg0nnah8me Oh, If I were gonna build something dedicated "comp" I'm sure not putting a VFD Twin in it. Too big, too heavy, too complicated. I also for whatever reason strongly prefer the portal over the straight axle, but REALLY like the straights in other builds. I would, do, and will say Element > Axial. All day, every day. In the entire Canyon fleet does not live a single Axial gearbox. Or chassis rail.
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I was told by vanquish 20 mm for steering servo and 24 mm for dig an OD
That is probably correct on the horns. I just know I refused to buy any, and bodged $2 Amazon horns in there. I spent probably 40 minutes setting up the steering, which would have taken anyone that had the correct bits about 5 minutes.
The manual calls for 24mm for dig and OD but it can be done with others.
Wonderful to hear the excitement in your voice, that's one very capable rc. Great job, great video, thoughly entertaining. Well done. John. Might have to pick me up a phoenix...
Well, I've been trying so hard to keep my Phoenix stock, but after watching this, I believe now my Phoenix needs that same Viagra that you have given yours! Great vid and review showing off the Zoku chassis! Can't wait to see the head-to-head with the RPRC chassis!
Just ordered the Zoku for a Straight axle Phoenix im currently building. Hoping it has similar results.
So you took a rug that was almost perfect and you made it closer to almost perfect. Great review as usual.
That is correct. Take what I still think is the best handling rig "box stock," and crank it up to eleven. The amount of adjustability in the chassis is almost overwhelming.
@@CrawlerCanyon Put the front shocks in the top back hole. I think it's stretching out to far. Just my opine!
Awesome vids as always my friend! Got my Phoenix ordered and should be here anytime. Zoku chassis is next on the list after seeing this. Amazing performance! The Canyon is amazing! Keep up the good work!
Wasn’t planning on watching the whole video, but the commentary and driving was just entertaining haha. I can feel the passion!
Wow……. I am so impressed. My Phoenix is getting a upgrade. Thank you for the video. I’m so glad I came across your channel. Looking forward to your videos.
About my 5th time watching this, trying to think what else I need lol. The Zoku kit will get to my house tomorrow, and I'll finally make it home tomorrow night or the next day. Already have a stack of packages waiting. Like Christmas morning everytime I get home 😆
Check out the KST DS215MG V3 micro servo. $35 for metal case metal gears. I have one as my dig servo on the 10.3 Bronco. It's a bit noisy under load, but it's fast! Made for helis I believe, but it looks nice and does the job.
Also, thanks for introducing me to this kit. I got to drive an RTR Phoenix on Tusks last weekend. That made me want one. This kit just reinforces that.
They really went all-in on speed with that lil' guy. Also, TIL that AGFRC makes like four versions of the A20-- I've only seen the A20CLS-- the CLS meaning coreless-- but there's a brushless version (BLH, BLS, something like that) making a gnarly +150oz on 8.4v. Not that it's necessary. This digs well enough on a servo making like 30 ounces.
- Because of you, Craig, we will finally see what the factory equiped VS410 Phoenix "should have done", from the get go, thanks to ZOKŪ, as well !!!
"😯" ...👌 - I will be waiting.....⏳ ...😁✌️
I watched ya thrilled me awesome build. My monical is clear now. Thank You.
My goodness what a freak. I can't wait to see this one dialed.
Weird thought, could you go to an outrunner with enough room to cram a receiver box in the gap of that vfd?
Probably. But this is one of those instances where the motor is so low and so far forward, I'm using the weight. I just used my usual approach to wiring, which is "attack it with zip ties. Looks halfway decent.
Blue Sky High NEEDS an outrunner. His CGH is WAY too high.
@@CrawlerCanyon thought that from the beginning. BSH motor position is nuts.
Zoku's LCG kit looks like, as you've stated, Phoenix viagra. Looking like another upgrade for my Phoenix...
Great video and review! Looking forward to your dialed and tuned update with this LCG kit.
Awesome video! Really enjoy watching! I have a Phoenix that has been sitting in box for a couple months and needing built. I just might have to order ZOKU for it!!!
I still feel like your front tires are too firm, but sometimes IDK...that side hill is good. Wheel weights are cheaper than portal weights, and might be enough. Love the video. I want that setup! I currently have my phoenix stripped down, servos removed, 850mah 3s batt on side, 95mm dravtechs on 3.93 tusks with diff adjusted @26% O.D. and I love it. I think it's 57% front weight with nothing added. But, where do you put your winch in that setup? I'd just use the dig servo mount I suppose....
I'll talk to the guy-- I think he could probably rework the front bumper mount into an all-in-one for a micro servo winch mount-- which would be SUPER clean.
We might be looking at the winner of the Crawlympics.
And mind you this is close enough to real time (ish) I didn't tune ANYTHING. Just swapped links and changed shocks. It honestly isn't awesome on the 80s, it's just not enough travel with the angle on the shocks, and standing them straight up acts too stiff as the truck has shed three quarters of a pound of sprung.
I guess I did tune a little, I just didn't even notice I was doing it.
Damn this is intriguing. My Phoenix is still just a slider since I was waiting for airbrush parts. Nothing like stepping on the air line and hearing a crash to know you done f-ed up 🤦♂. Haven't even driven it yet and going hmm this chassis looks sweet as 😂
The best part is the guy is open to any suggestions I might have, so the front bumper mount has already been redesigned to accommodate a micro servo winch. SOMEONE ASKED ABOUT THAT LIKE 18 HOURS AGO
@@CrawlerCanyon That's so awesome. Gotta love that responsiveness and enthusiasm. This is clearly really well thought out and I'm looking forward to the next one to see how the corner weights work out with a little more fine tuning. During this video I couldn't help but also think that Associated sure makes a good shock
This looks like it could help my Phoenix
"maybe if i give it stuf it will like me more " - my kind of thinking - you got to have one like that in the Canyon
you can use wheel brass weights the ones that screw to the back of the beadlock under the hub - cheaper
New to 10 scale scene, you have a link I can check out for those?
Dang first view and comment just got done watching your other video!! Awesome hope you had a great day🤘🏻👍
I wished we got Vanquish products here in the UK without having to personally inport them. For the VS4-10 Phoenix portal kit it would be around 575usd to inport one after all the taxes
I seem to remember someone mentioning that getting an SCX10 Pro over there was like $750USD, so the Vanquish almost looks cheap by comparison.
We pay taxes a whoooole lot (usually three times by the time you've bought something) but if they ever tried to add anything like VAT over here, we'd be throwing something in the harbor again.
I have a phoenix portal kit waiting to be built. Now you have me thinking.... 🤔
It's really good. I haven't even begun to dig into proper tuning, I only just now got the wiring straightened up. But my goodness does it feel almost illegal.
In case I didn't make it clear, I DO NOT like it on 80s. The chassis will work, but it really sings on a 90-95mm shock.
And it is SO easy to build.
I have some g-made 90's already to go on the kit. Some hair buns also. 😁
Great test and review
Alright, you sold me. Zoku Carbon chassis is on the way.
Love the Zoku. It still a Phoenix yet much more capable.
Like and subscribed. I have one favors and a request. First, what is your favorite crawler? Second could you do a video on tuning a crawler specifically an lcg truck. Thanks
I always try to sidestep the question with a winky answer like, "My favorite is the one I'm wheeling at that moment," and that is certainly true.
But cards on the table, I'd say Daphne the Sport. No fancy features, built like a tank, and can crush virtually any line. She's so good.
For tuning, I would start with the video on anti-squat: ruclips.net/video/f69rOps8gsI/видео.html as it covers the basics. Then fire away with any specific questions you might have.
@@CrawlerCanyon apparently I can’t write coherent sentences
Very informative video. I have a Portal Phoenix with Zoku kit, and Proline big bore 90 mm shocks. What shock position and oil do you recommend? I also have the stiffer Proline springs on the rig.
I wish I could give you a satisfactory answer to those questions-- but there are too many variables in the way. I have no experience with the ProLine crawler shocks, so I don't know what oil I'd run in them, and shock angle is determined in part by the stiffness of the springs, and I don't know how stiff those are either.
Non-specifically, I run between 300cst and 500cst on 80% of the fleet (there are those oddball shocks that need +5000cst oil,) and for springs it's the rate that will keep the shock about 6-7mm from fully bottoming out at RTR weight. If there's most of the shock shaft showing, the springs are very likely too stiff.
@@CrawlerCanyon thank you for the input. Pointing me in the right direction. I ask because your Zoku rig is too sick. Hoping to replicate it! I hope to see a follow up video on your Zoku Phoenix rig.
Let’s say the springs are very stiff. More or less angle on shock mounting?
@@shoualor1707 Leaning the shock over lowers the effective rate. A 2lbs/in spring @ 90º is the stated rate, and that same spring laid over at a 45º angle is around 1.4lbs/in.
As to a follow up, ruclips.net/video/cenGoNJptmE/видео.html
Thank you sir!
Where can I buy this ? Great vids mr Crawler Canyon , I also really like your sense of humor with the comments on your sidekick 👌 when you do testruns in your Canyon. Best reg from NL
You can contact the designer/maker through Instagram, instagram.com/zokurc/
Coming to this vid late, but one of the options for the plural of Phoenix is Phoenices. Sounds like you might think it sounds.
Phoenoe
I would like to see a Zoku vs RP Interceptor shootout
There would have been one, but zero holes on the Phoenix parts line up with the holes on the RP chassis rails. If it's on RP rails, it's certainly not a Phoenix anymore.
Craig, what performs better on comp crawling? The Zoku or the VRD Phoenix?
Tough to compare, honestly. One has a lightened VFD in the middle and the other has a full-built VFD-Twin-- and the servos to run it. Capability wise, it's so SO close, but they very different. I'll still take the Twin nine times out of ten, because if I can get dig, I'm gonna take it. The VRD is clearly designed for a pretty specific competitor. The Phoenix is capable out of the box, and feels like cheating with a Zoku in it.
Sweet phoenix
55:55 I would like to see the back shocks here. See how exactly they work on this climb.
I have them laid over a decent amount compared to stock. Those shocks are of course completely rebuilt, modified, and given to Daphne, Argentum is now on 2660 BIg Bores with Element SE springs, and they're damn near as good. I don't think it's 100% the shock here, and more the geometry.
@@CrawlerCanyon I'm sure it's the Zoku, but I was wondering: is the shock angle 90° starting from ground level or over and are they fully compressed at that point?
I am truly sorry for doubting your vision Dr Isotope
- This will be the 1st VS410 "Phoenix", that I will be envious of !!! 👍 ...😉 Oh ya. 😄
What's your gut feeling, this or the Groundfox chassis?
Artful dodgers makes some superb quality stuff-- but if you want to "keep it a Phoenix" then it's Zoku all the way, as it was designed to fit the Phoenix body.
I also like the OD servo mount from AD, but wildly prefer the dig mount from Zoku.
Say we were talking about say the Groundfox I built for Element compared to this? The quality of the 3D prints on the Zoku give it the edge for me, as a guy who doesn't generally trust 3D printed parts. The fit and finish of both is close. I consider AD an "LCG kit" where the Zoku is an "LCG conversion."
Thanks, that makes sense. I have an unbuilt Straight axle and can't decide what to do with it - keep it a Phoenix and try this chassis (small downside I already have a Phoenix portal so looks-wise it'd be a duplicate in the fleet) or try the AD and put a completely different body on (thinking Proline Beetle for giggles). Benefit to AD route is I'd have a spare Phoenix bodyset if I ever destroy the 1st one.
Is there a link for the zoku lcg kit. I'm 100% interested in making mine an lcg now lol
zokurc.com/products/zoku-phoenix-lcg?variant=46685345087805
Hi, are you able to give me some advice please? Not sure which servo's to use for the DIG and OD. Can I use the lowprofile Savox SC-1251MGB+ (9kg) for the Dig and OD function?? Or am I better of with the Savox SW-1250MG+ (8kg) as it mentions it is waterproof. Hope someone can help me with an answer; Thanks in advance!! ps. Already have 2 servo's from Savox, therefore the preference for the same brand.
As this is on the Zoku video, I'm going to assume you have a Zoku and therefore need micros-- so yes, the SW-1250 will fit, but I would do everything in my power to talk you out of them. They're pretty much the most expensive micros I've seen. The 1251s would fit the regular Phoenix chassis, but again-- far too expensive.
When they're in stock, the Flash Hobby 1227 are my new go-to for micros. Otherwise, it's either the AGFRC A20CLS amzn.to/3T6yAL7, or the super-economy option, the Injora 2065 amzn.to/3t37rhy which are like 2 for 35 bucks, and use standard 25T horns.
@@CrawlerCanyon Thank you so much for your response and time. I really appreciatie it! Till now I only upgraded machines and after many years have the possibility to build my dream machine. :-) The Savox is indeed expensive, but also around the corner as in my country there is not a lot. Still I'll look at your advice. Again thank you so much for all your video's etc. It really helps many people!!!!
God dammit! U got me sucked back in! Had 2 pros and 1 phoenix and sold them all. Just got tired and wanted something more low cg. Now I have to rebuy everything again 🤦🏻♂️
How's the durability of the printed parts ?
Fantastic on the 3D parts-- he's doing 85-100% infill, and all holes are pre-tapped. It honestly goes together as well as injection-molded.
@@CrawlerCanyon thanks for the info! You did an amazing job on the review.👏
Do you think it’s possible too, 4-link the front with a SOA kit ?
I don't think this chassis would present any more difficulty than any other Phoenix SOA conversion-- which is going to be a lot, as you can't can't do BTA servo (the motor is right there) and getting that driver's side upper link is always fun, as that's where the driveshaft lives. Can it be done? I'm sure. Will it be worth it? That's the real question.
I've watched this twice now 😂😂😂😎
I have a zoku on my rtr. What shock positions and shock oil do u recommend.
For the Incisions, I would say 40 or 50 weight, depending on how much damping you like. With the straight axle shocks, I’d say start with the top row, middle hole, and adjust accordingly. Further back will raise the body and raise the effective rate, moving them forward will lower the body and soften the effective rate.
Thank. I'll be trying this weekend
Think you just sold me on this.
So were you saying it's tunable your talk about adding weight
Removing weight is also a strategy, but when I'm talking tunability, it's generally about suspension tuning, from shock setup to link lengths and positions. Sometimes weight is unavoidable, and getting the sprung/unsprung ratio where I want it simply isn't physically or economically feasible, so I unfortunately have to start doing the math and fiddling with links again. Sometimes it's as simple as changing shock length, angle, or position... but most often it's not.
Zoku packaging very reminiscent of Artful Dodger packaging….
The difference being all of the material in the Artful Dodgers box feels... odd. Like, you can tell it's not from here. My stuff arrived in a strange light-green padded envelope that felt like it came from the past.
How does this compare to to rock pirate set up for vanquish
We're gonna find out pretty soon, I hope.
Where can I buy one?
Where are you crawling?
Backyard.
Is there a link?
zokurc.com/
I'm getting AvE vibes haha
I would have to disagree about the Phoenix being the most capable crawler out of the box. I hate my Phoenix. It's top heavy and likes to roll over so I bought Rock Pirates shock towers to lower cg. Still not a great crawler. My slightly modified Element builders kit V1 walks all over my Phoenix. Both have RP shock towers, fusion pro, rims and tires done...no other mods and my Element embarrasses my Phoenix and at 2/3 the cost. My Utron does as well as my Phoenix and that has even less done to it. Build quality is good, but I'm not spending another $300 just to make it climb better. Especially when all the bits in that kit are 3d printed. I 3d print a lot of stuff and not just in PLA. I have PETG, ABS...something always breaks.
Also, from your first test, this thing was not very capable until you fixed the caster and stopped the front end from being pushed around. I still dig the videos because it's good to see other peoples opinions and set ups. This isn't something I would waste my money on and I know a lot of people will disagree but that's ok too. You're excited about it and you bought it so that's all that matters.
Unrelated to the Phoenix, I tried the Fusk and they don't do too well on these Arkansas rocks. You win some, you lose some and this isn't the first time I expected different results and was shocked that they didn't perform.
I don't wanna just say, "you're doing it wrong," but if that's your sum total experience with the Phoenix, then... you're doing it wrong. The Phoenix in stock configuration isn't any more top heavy or prone to tipping than anything else out of the box. I do take note that you neglected to mention what body is on the Element-- but my guess is that it isn't a Phoenix. Give 'em a body swap and see if anything changes. The Phoenix does remarkably well in stock configuration of that body. Sure, you can suck some of the fun, spirit, and life out of it by putting a (retch) Cliffhanger on it and fix most of people's perceived problems. But sometimes it's not just about the easiest route to the destination.
Don't get me wrong, I love me some Element-- there's Element on most of the rigs in the fleet to some level or another. But an out-of-the-box Enduro SE vs. a Phoenix? Not very close. Against a Zoku Phoenix? Not even fair. I'm not surprised about the Fusk. Lots of tires are location-specific. The Jetko Conquerors did great here, then went off to their forever home in Montana and did not do well at all. Some people have luck with Pitbull, and I've yet to have a tire from them do even remotely well here. Some tires are a bit more "universal."
Oh-- I usually feel the same way about 3D printed parts, in that they have no place on rock crawlers outside of beer coolers or other scale gubbins. BUt Zoku is doing 85-100% infill, and the fit and finish of the parts is as good as what's coming from name brands. Never so much as cracked a single part.
@@CrawlerCanyon I love, and appreciate, that you respond so thank you! You are correct about the body on the Element. I either run the Gozer body with Traxxas Canyon Trail tires or the Proline VW crawler bug body on class 1 RC4WD Flashpoints because they fit this body without having to hack it up. I think this gives it a slight disadvantage because it's straight axle and not portals so I lose some ground clearance but I understand this is a highly debatable subject. What's funny about this is that my normal group of crawling buddies is made up of of 3 other guys that usually bring a Phoenix themselves. One is a straight comp build, super lcg, super low profile body, portals...I'm talking TONS of money in this build. The other has a slightly more modified than mine Phoenix and his seems to do the best. None of us are winning any comps with the Phoenix, not even the highly modified one. I'm no pro, I'll admit that straight away, but I do have a collection of 18+ other crawlers from 24th to 1/8th scale that all do pretty well so I'd like to think I understand what it takes to make these things somewhat competent crawlers. I just can't figure out this Phoenix. Then again, maybe the terrain here is just not Phoenix friendly? Seems like a HUGE stretch but I don't know what else to make of it.
I agree that Element is not a first choice when people think amazing crawlers. Having said that, we have some others guys in our groups that went fully belly drag comp style rigs. One of them does particularly well and has a couple of climbs named after him, or his rig, because he's the only one that can make it up. The names were almost changed because my element also made these climbs. I posted video in the group we're all part of and it fueled a massive heckling for a couple of the guys that try and try and try but can never get up these things. It's really quite confusing to watch and even more so because it was done on class 1's.
I truly do appreciate that you take time out to respond. I can't thank you enough for not leaving people on read. Just one more aspect of your channel that makes it so great. Thank you!
@@urg0nnah8me Oh, If I were gonna build something dedicated "comp" I'm sure not putting a VFD Twin in it. Too big, too heavy, too complicated. I also for whatever reason strongly prefer the portal over the straight axle, but REALLY like the straights in other builds.
I would, do, and will say Element > Axial. All day, every day. In the entire Canyon fleet does not live a single Axial gearbox. Or chassis rail.
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Zoku=blue pill...lol