Can I EXPAND FASTER than the MONGOLS DID?
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2022
- We're back with one of the best eu4 mods - the extended timeline mod. Today we're going to see if we're able to conquer more than the mongols did historically - giving us about 40 years to do the better part of a world conquest. This is similar to the "Can I EXPAND FASTER than the RISE OF ISLAM?" video only with even MORE expansion! Coalitions be damned, GENGHIS IS BACK!
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No matter how fast The Mongols expand, they don’t expand quicker than I click on a new vid with Laith torturing himself for our entertainment.
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You asked if the Mongols knew about the land they were invading in Europe. They had adopted Chinese cartography and using agents and merchants who made extensive maps of Europe, not just where they invaded but also further west. Much of their mapping across Eurasia was focused on where they could feed their horses as they conquered.
The first expeditions by the mongols into Europe were scouting parties, granted extremely dangerous scouting parties, but that shows they weren't too well acquainted with it. They did trade for some maps from the Venitians when they reached the black sea.
They also bought Venetian maps and actually planned out the whole invasion of Europe, all the way to France. Sadly for them, Temüjin died and they all had to get back and vote on the next Khan.
@@stojankovacic1524 Maybe but fun fact Temujin conquer not all lands. I mean some big portions of peak Mongol Empire was conqered by relatives.
@@stojankovacic1524 temujin died relatively early, and that was what stopped the initial invasion/recon, they came a second time in force, but is was when Monke died that they returned the second time
@@PAINNN666 He wasn't the only one leading troops. He never visited Europe himself, Subutai was the main operator there. And Subutai wasn't even his relative, he was actually once a soldier fighting against Temüjin.
About the Mulan/Hun Thing:
There's a theory that the Xiongnu (occupying Mongolia north of the Han), were Huns. The Wikipedia page for the Xiongnu goes into a bit of detail on it.
An extremely controversial theory, of course. The best kind!
It's also grounded in a slight bit of Victorian racism, as all good controversial theories are. Because all Turks of the steppe = Huns and Mongols and Turks? Totally the same thing. So Mongols = Huns but also Xiongnu = Turks which = Huns because sense making
Man I thought for sure he was saying Hans
I thought it was more of the Huns, as known to the Romans, were an offshoot of the defeated Xiongnu. I believe Atila traced his ancestry to a famous Xiongnu Khan, but I could be wrong.
It was just a mistake by the creators I think
“marco polo doesn’t need to bother coming over here, we’ll come to him” had me wheezing AHAHAHAAHHA never change laith, never change
Do the reconquista as Austurias in ante Bellum, it would be like a reverse vanilla Grenada
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the story of Mulan was based on a poem called “Ballad of Mulan". The original ballad did not mention who they are fighting against because that's not the main focus of the ballad. In fact in the ballad, it was a khan rather than a emperor asked what she desire as reward of her military service in that ballad.
Very nice info
It was written during the Northern Wei dynasty, which was a Xianbei nomadic tribe that Sinicized into a Chinese-esque dynasty, so the "emperor" being called a khan does make a lot of sense
So yes, there were several things that stopped the Mongol Conquest of Europe. You guessed the number 1 reason: fortifications. All of China had 40 something odd castles/fortified cities (though to be fair, they were damn impressive fortifications). Each of these 40 fortified cities were quite a challenge to the Mongols, but they were able to either starve them out or utilize Chinese siege engineers to knock them down. Also, fortified cities had a different purpose in China than castles did in Europe. In China, they were meant to hold off an enemy until the Chinese army came and relieved the siege, and so often did not have years worth of supplies like European castles. To be fair, there were simply too many people to have that many supplies.
Now, compared to Europe? The Holy Roman Empire had over 11,000 castles. Yes, it's absurd. Even if each individual castle wasn't as impressive as a fortified city, that many castles made Europe just not worth the effort to attack. It'd be like... all of China being captured if you siege down 4 level 5 forts, but then comparing that to the HRE, where every single province is a level 2 or 3 fort. Sure, there was no individual castle the Mongols couldn't EVENTUALLY take, but they correctly deemed that the juice wasn't worth the squeeze, which was exactly the European philosophy: make it such a pain in the ass to siege down your nation that invaders just leave you alone.
The other thing that stopped the Mongols that can be related to EU4 is supply. The Mongol army was mostly cavalry, now, if the game modeled cavalry correctly, they wouldn't be quite as expensive as they are, but they would have 4 times the supply weight of an infantry division. However, that supply weight would be half on Steppes, Grasslands, and Farmlands provinces, where the horses can graze. The Mongols conquered about as far as the terrain let them. Their last successful invasion, of Hungary, failed when there was so much rain, the grasslands turned into marshes and swamps, rendering the Mongols unable to forage, and so they had to retreat, lest all their horses starve to death.
Just a bit of trivia from a guy who reads way too much :) Great video, entertaining as always!
it wasn't the castles, Mongols destroyed HRE + Bohemian army with ease after destroying the Polish army, they could also just throw dead bodies to forts, they conquered thousands of castles before so they could just conquer another thousand and subjugate the other, only thing that stopped mongols were the great Khan dying and Mongol Empire collapsing into smaller states, also Mongol supply lines were pretty decent and they were steppe warriors that used to raid and resupply, so everything you say is simply wrong, they stopped because Khan died not because of the forts that would fall without a fight if you throw some dead bodies in them
9:23, to be completely fair to the Koreans they were one of the first and few nations that resisted the Mongol invasions, managing to secure its autonomy via being a vassal state.
While Japan and Vietnam are often credited with defeating the Mongols, Japan never had much full-scale combat with Mongolia unlike Korea. Vietnam, while its successes cant be ignored, faced invasions far from the Mongol homeland and faced climate unfamiliar to the Mongols.
Korea, who were geographically much closer than Japan or Vietnam put up a hefty fight against the Mongols; facing the armies of Mongolias height, taking 6 invasions and scoring massive victories alike to Vietnam, and even managing to be one of the few nations being to kill a Mongolian General in battle.
Edit: some grammatical stuff. also I don't know if I used a semicolon right but who knows
You should try conquering Italy as the Muslim state of Bari in either CK3 or EU4, you can find it in 867 for both games and it's a fun campaign either way
the chinese called the huns the xiongnu, they originally raided northern china before eventually migrating west to europe
Yeah, Xiongnu is a weird word to add to a Disney song, Huns rolls off the tongue better
i really like the historical scenario videos also I could be wrong but i think in one of the 900 start dates you can go to greenland and vinnland by making explorers and funding colonists has iceland
Challenge: conquer all of Italy and North Africa in less than 20 years as Justinian
13:44 The Huns who are in the West are actually also called Western Huns, and those are in the East are also Huns. There is some debate over whether they were Turkic, Mongolic, some even suggesting that they were maybe indo-european, but apparantly there are some sources sources indicating that the ruling class spoke a Turkic language. But still, no real consensus as of yet. (The indo-european in the bunch actually comes from the fact that there is some even more ancient horse taming civilisation that took off in what is Ukraine today, and one branch went to the southern Caucasus, the other went to North of China, and there is some debate around whether they are the Proto-Turks, or another branch of the proto-indo-europeans, etc. etc. So no definitive consensus.)
P.S: I'm not a historian, don't at me if I screwed up somewhere.
Huns were either Turkic or Mongolian but definitely not Indo-European since they had East Eurasian phenotype and culture. Additionally, the Roman chronicles support the idea that Huns might be the proto-Turks.
Laith can ultimately be boiled down to: If I can't win this easily, then I hate everything that I've been tasked to do. And honestly I feel for him.
the story of mulan plays out before the huns arrived in europe. back then they were actually known as the Xiongnu, but i guess that doesnt have the same ring to it
when you're trying to make a bunch of 1k stacks to carpet siege, stand on a province you can occupy and hold the D key, it's for detatch siege
Can you continue as West Rome?
Here's a challenge: try to outdo Charlemagne's conquests and properly reform the Western Roman Empire
i think it would be nice if you do a serbia campaign and own tokyo (Srbija do tokija-Serbia up to Tokyo- a chant we use)
Leith I really appreciate your rant on villains and such. God bless.
That is really fun. Please continue this run.
29:20 the idea was "if there is one god in the sky there should be just one khan in the land" god in the sky is the god in tengrism. and this purpose(conquering the whole world ) called the red apple in turkish. I don't know if the Mongols have a different name for it.
Kanka aslında onu gününüzde yanlış çeviriyoruz. Dikkatli araştırırsan gök tengri yer tengri diye bir şey yok. Aslında göğün ye yerin Tengrisi deniliyor, bir daha bak.
Obi-wan: it's over mongols, I have the high ground
Mongols: but you lack wagon circle.
One thing that could help you maintaining the empire is to build a temple in each province you conquer (and also do pax mongolica)
13:43 firstly are you sure they say HUN & not HAN? secondly the Hun are supposed to have originated in Asia, possibly China:
"No one knows exactly where the Huns came from. Some scholars believe they originated from the nomad Xiongnu people who entered the historical record in 318 B.C. and terrorized China during the Qin Dynasty and during the later Han Dynasty. The Great Wall of China was reportedly built to help protect against the mighty Xiongnu.
Other historians believe the Huns originated from Kazakhstan, or elsewhere in Asia.
Prior to the 4th century, the Huns traveled in small groups led by chieftains and had no known individual king or leader. They arrived in southeastern Europe around 370 A.D. and conquered one territory after another for over 70 years."
In the original movie it's the Huns, but in the live action reboot it's the mongols
It's definitely not the Han, Mulan was Han
@@jacklovejoy5290 ive never watched either of the movies.. all i know is people say the second one was trash & the first one was good.. there were many peoples in China though often one syllable names so wouldnt surprise me if there werent a hun also.. and a wang... and a wam a bam and a thank you mam
Bruh Han dynasty is a Chinese dynasty. Huns are Turkic nomads. Basic.
@@yusufardagures5490 yeah and there are theories than hun originated in china region... like nw china between mongolia & Kazakhstan
u should try to out do alexander's conquests
19:55 select the entirely unified army, hold D, then carpet siege with V
The Mongols invading the Balkan Peninsula is a pretty interesting scenario to think of. They could have thought of doing so since the Carpathian Basin is amazing for horses. Constantinople might have been a prize, I mean legit everybody on Earth wanted that city. With the Mongols on the doorsteps of Vienna, who's to say they could have made some raids into Germany. And then there would perhaps be one or two new cultures born from a mix of Southern Slavic and Mongol cultures, as well as a mix with the Greeks and the Hungarians.
When it says you can take a reform it means you have the progress to do it, but there are requirements to do them like getting an institution so you can't do them but it thinks you can.
The Huns in the song are The Xiongnu Confederation which is a country made by Huns and the Chinese made the wall because of them. The Huns later migrated to Europe after being defeated by the Chinese, which can be counted as the reason of Rome falling apart.
The Huns were steppe nomads from Asia, don’t know if Hunnish people ever raided north china, probably just an artistic liberty on Disney’s part. Still, it’s close enough. If someone called a Geat a Saxon for the sake of lyrical flexibility I’d say it’s fine.
There's a theory that they were a remnant of the Xiongnu who were the main rivals of the Han.
Yes I wanna see you review movies that be awesome!
You don't need to be a weird adult to appreciate the bangers that Disney put out
Your Channel is amazin
I don't know if you have a second channel or make those short clip type videos, but you should absolutely show how your mongols explode when the modifiers wear off
IIRC rashudins starts with 2 or 3 mil techs ahead of the Persians and Byzantines that's why they can take out troops like it's paper
Did the Rashidun have any military tech advantage in real life or is that just a way to simulate the quick conquest in the game?
@@whaleofdarkness they had military disadvantage in real life, their arrows at the start of the conquest didn't even penetrate sassanid and Byzantine armor, so yes it's a game thing.
Iirc India also starts with tech ahead of Persia and Rome in that start date, weird.
Ottomans 1299 start to their territorial peak would be painful.
Mulan takes place way before the medieval times, in the Han dynasty. The Hans were invaded by the Xiongnu which are thought to be the same people as the huns in europe.
Lmao talking about Disney films. S tier content
Most scholars belive the huns originate from central asia somewhere, but anything more specific is theories at best since the word hun is an a term given by the european. But the huns in europe did use a similar bow on horseback and steppe tacticsas the mongols, wether this is due to similar origins or its two seperate groups discovering the same optimal strats for their similar habitats is disputed. The use of gunpowder and architecture in Mulan suggest the Ming dynasy given the state of the forbidden city and the great wall, but that is a tousand years after the historic huns arrived in europe.
The short answer the chinese han might have fought a group that would recieve the moniker of "the huns" in europe, but there is no definitive way of saying that with the current information, and Mulan is just a mash of diffrent historical periods that probably used the term "huns" as a shorthand for enemy innvader
first time watching your channel and you strike me as Gordon Ramsay
you should do a 'Spanish empire' speed run in the base game. will accept subjects haha
disney before: people in power can be corrupt
disney now: being young is hard
19:55 does anyone know why the thing he's showing where you spam S doesn't work anymore? Pls help xd
Yeah the huns were basically an off shoot of the Mongols, so they weren't exactly wrong, but definitely not right.
I cant get the Extended Timeline mod to run even though its clearly in the playset :(
What a march, some would even argue its better then the og mongols
Every single Laith title ever: I am SCREAMING at YOU at RANDOM INTERVALS...
And you’d BETTER enjoy it
Please do a multiplayer version of this
The Huns were in east and south as well: Xiongnu in Mongolia and White Huns (Hepthalites) in Afghanistan
You should make a Disney movie tier list-
Mongols were behind on military technology until after the fall of jin china. They also did that in a bit of a different order.
Nice video
Disney never "did villains better", Victor Hugo did.
Yes, a command that allows for a unit(s) to bird dog an annoying stack throughout your territory would be choice.
how do the states just flip to your nation? is it a mod or the wargoal?
Ten people playing this would be hilarious
Bruh loved the vid . The Han dynasty was the 2nd greatest ruling dynasty of China and they were great in irong age armaments and were an ego monstrocity
The Huns originated in the Altai region and was part of the Xiongnu Confederation and the start of the Goturks I,e meaning the Rouran kingdom whom did kick out the Hephlalites (white Huns. And the ballad of Mulan are set during a Rouran incursion of the Northern Wei who was before the split with the White Huns.
The Rourans was Turkic tribes ruled by Mongols basically!
What other nations in ET have the "control to own" mechanic like the Rashidun and Mongols?
When I was playing a different campaign, I noticed that the Great Seljuks had the modifier for only a year or so after they first spawned.
Challenge for you :
Forming Iberia as Asturians in Ante Bellum.
Good luck. I got wrecked
So uh, you can also use this extended timeline mod to play as soissons which has a missions and that is exactly what I want you to do
There are multiple groups who held the name the Huns but Mulan Huns was all wrong. That said Mulan the original ballad was about a girl who lived in Northern Wei which was actually a Toube horde tribe that became part of the Mongols.
I personally would love a Laith review channel
Good video
Huns were not ever in contact with the Chinese under that name and were not around at the time mulan is commonly considered as portraying I think.
Laith again with some very easy casual childish nation instead of gigachad Naxos, we waiting.
I believe that there is a theory that the Huns raided northern China, then got defeated and moved west as a result.
yo... imagine the irl mongols rolling up to a battle with an infantry army... the reason your armies "aren't as good as rashidun" was because you diluted your cavalry with things that aren't cavalry
The Huns migrated to Europe from where modern day Mongolia is
The lack of Subutai Khan is going to make this really hard
If Genghis Khan's I think grandson didn't die from obesity and alcoholism he would have made it all the way to the Atlantic ocean. He had spies mapping out Northern Italy and the HRE before he was reluctantly called back to Mongolia
Why not try to win the 3rd punic war as Carthage?
"Marco Polo doesn't have to come to China, we're coming to him"
Now that's a motto for a solid mongol conquest
23:34 do it. Go on. It would be very fun content, and make the challenge a bit easier, no need to have ten people but let say slewikk and red hawk that would be really cool
By 1227 you conquer more than Genghis. Yes you dont get all nations north from you, you dont beat gor, dont beat Khwarezm but you get ALL China, Korea and western part of Cuman empire. or even all cuman parts if Genghis don't get eastern
Play as rum at the time it first appear in extended timeline and conquer anotaila and convert the area to Islamic and Turkish culture similar to what happened in history you can decide what to do after maybe conquer Constantinople earlier I don’t know your choice.
The Huns were a break off group from the Xiongnu. To Disney it was better to just say "Huns" cause it's easier to remember and works better in the song, and the Xiongnu were huns
The Byzzies are indeed dead. This start takes place after the fourth crusade. Nicaea would go on to reform it
You should try to revive ancient Egypt (I think u can do that)
you have to do a part to where you take japan
You beat the mongols with wagon circle and high ground.
The giving the title of "Hun" is based on a history of bad translations and transcription. One, small tribe that was a part of the Xiongnu was written ad Yuhun. Thay it, and that the Huns did come from Central Asia (but were not Indo European)
17:00 Laith becoming irish
Laith you are completely correct about the Mulan song
The Huns were referred to by China as the Xiongnu. Mulan is a slew of anachronisms (gunpowder wouldn't have existed yet), but the Huns did invade China AND Europe, as well as Persia, like the later Mongols and Turkic peoples.
@@wallyvargas-rios9305 Yes but the Xiongnu were not related to the Huns in Europe. In that regard, Laith is correct.
Which mod is that?
I wonder how history would have gone if the Mongols conquered Constantinople
The reason Byzantium wasn’t there is because they where divided between several catholic crusader states during this time. It was as a result of The Fourth Crusade. Nicea would later take back most Byzantine territory and thereby restoring Byzantium
I googled it, apparently Bulgaria was the one to halt a major push of the Mongols which slowly started the collapse, or at least was the first domino
And another thing, apperently the best Dynasty to ever rule china wasnt even Chinese, it was the Yuan Dynasty, aka one of the Khanates that appeared when the Empire collapsed. Makes me wonder, which khanate lasted the longest? Chagatai or Golden Horde? I think Ilkhanate was the first one to collapse then the Yuan
If we take Golden Horde's prodescessor Khanates (Especially Crimea, it was still ruled by Girai dynasty who were descendant of Genghis Khan in 17th century), then it was the longest to survive but there is Jagatai which had survived longer than Golden Horde. Ilkhanate collapsed first and made a major Turkmen migration to Middle East. Jagatai summoned Timurids then Mughals which lasted until the British came. So Ilkhanate was first to fall while Mughals were to last.
Am I only one ho thinks that the music in this video sound like a music from kinect adventurers?
Damn no Subutai. Dude has a case for the GOAT general
If Genghis Khan grandson didn't die from obesity and alcoholism he would have made it all the way to Atlantic Ocean he was reluctantly called back to Mongolia when he had spys mapping out Northern Italy and the hre
You should expand faster than the Aztecs
Reform the Byzantines as Nicea and try to reform the RE :)
try to conquer india as fast as GB did, probably in extended timeline starting at 1758 - late 1820s
13:49 kinda cause saying "to defeat the Xianbei" isn't as catchy.
Movie review while playing EU4🤔
I am sure using the word "Huns" was a musical decision by Disney...
However, after living in and learning a bit of Chinese and how languages are translated in Asia, they may have translated Huns to mean "barbarians" or "invaders". And if that is the case, to the Chinese, the Mongolians would been "Huns" (so partially correct). IE the Mongolian Huns are attacking = those Mongolian invaders are attacking...
Like if you referred to criminals who committed vandalism as vandal... You are not calling them the descendants of the Vandal culture.
Other example are how Foreign Devils = Foreign Ghosts = Foreign Wolves = Foreign Thieves are all used interchangeably
Or maybe in Chinese Huns = nomadic Horse riders, or something to that extent.
You should play meiou and taxes. It would be funny
You should have weared am ahegao t shirt, just to assert dominance over the editor.
So....No one noticed he left Hong Kong in Chinese hands :P ?
CAN EXPAND FASTER AS MAYANS AT BC ??