Eviction Notice Delivery Results in Police Killing Ph.D. | Dr. Yan Li Case Analysis
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The management company selling her condo for 30k when it’s worth over 400k seems very fishy. I wondered who bought it? That may be financial fraud.
Stephen Miller?
She was taken advantage of by the management company. I wonder who bought her 400k condo for $30k? There was , no doubt, financial fraud.
The buyer at the auction paid 30k dollars; and certainly had to take over the bank note for several hundred thousand dollars. Even at that he could flip it and make a hundred thousand which is typical for that type of situation.
I don’t know what it’s like in California as they have very different laws than states that I have lived in. However, in the condo complex I live in, if someone hasn’t paid their HOA fees, a lien can be placed on the condo and it would have to be satisfied before the owner could sell. It’s also possible that the HOA/property management business could purchase the condo and resell it to help recoup their legal fees as well. They don’t have to sell it for market value.
@@KimberlyLetsGo Thank you for explaining that. We will own nothing and we will "be happy".
The management company should be held accountable. What they did to her is fraud at the very least.
She was probably avoiding all the notices
She bought at a price and didn't pay. The Company later selling for 30k is a completely separate issue.
Being forcefully evited is traumatizing enough without an underlying mental problem to begin with but it will give you one.
During my childhood, I lived through 5 forcible evictions. I still have nightmares as an adult.
I’m sorry. I hope you’re in a more secure situation now
People who've not been on the receiving end of this don't seem to understand how awful it is. Almost worse than a break in. I do hope you are doing better. 🙏
Warm hugs, Kimberly. So sorry that happened to you.
@@jack-a-lopium
You aren’t an “undesirable human”. No matter what disabilities you have. As a blind person, I know how you feel though. Disabled people are treated like criminals in our society.
That’s traumatic 😳
I’m someone who experiences psychotic episodes occasionally (never hurt anyone), and I’ve had cops barging into my house twice, guns drawn pointing at me and yelling, out of nowhere. It was horrifying.
Great video Dr Grande, as usual!
😬😬😬 I don't mean to be invasive, but was it a welfare check gone wrong?
Stay safe and well, friend 💞
I have too. One night I was psychotic and suicidal. My mom was coming over to take me to the hospital. My sister called 911 and my mom got there right before the cops did. I went out of the house to get in her car and saw 6 cops outside. My mother told them over and over I was not a danger to them. However - as the "standoff" continued I got agitated and started yelling and cursing at them. I swung my purse back and forth. Little did I know at that moment (my mother said) they unsnapped their holsters and had their hands on the grip of their guns. I never threatened them. The only person I would have hurt was myself. Finally, realizing I had to get in my mom's car to make them leave, I came down the steps slowly and after one last "MF's" I got in the car and went to the hospital uneventfully. My mom told me about the holsters a few years later. I'm grateful to God that none of them were trigger happy.
@@Kepi_Kei grateful to God? Um... You tried being grateful to the people who made the decision not to use violence?
@@Kepi_Kei I'm so sorry for what you experienced. I really hope you're doing better today. Both my experiences were very similar to yours so I know the feeling. Hang in there! (And don't worry about random hateful comments, they don't know what they're talking about)
@@Malepical Yeah it was a welfare check gone wrong, with an emphasis on "wrong". I was not a danger to anyone. Both times I was literally just sitting at my dinner table eating a sandwich with my cat on my lap watching some crappy TV show. So I don't know why that required six police officers to break into my house and push me to the ground and put their feet on me, guns drawn.
Thank you though!! Hope you're doing well!!
I hate HOA’s that rob their community members.
HOA sound extremely fark up.
Learned a lot again. I’ll really try to keep these tactics in mind when dealing with a mentally ill person who feels threatened. Great analysis - the police should watch this video for their training!👍🏼👏🏼
I wholeheartedly agree.
JPB
You'll probably be in the majority, however, there will always be people with intentions of hurting someone for whatever reason (Sadists, for instance), who will actually actively attack someone with a mental condition, in hopes of getting a defensive reaction out of them, and then spinning that into seeming like they were the victims of a "mad" person.
Gotta be disgusted to no end by this, but it does unfortunately happen.
@@samf.s8786 disgust is a worthless emotion, and Monday morning quarterbacks are all cool-headed tacticians
Police training, Ha. They're not here to protect and serve. They're about intimidation and control. One could only wish it were different, it is not.
@@yasuke9317 everyone else comes out to say how they would be better at it than those who become LE 🤣🤣
I think there is a major derision and disregard for the concept of mental health in the law enforcement community.
Even in the mental health care profession!
Oh man just wait. Police are nothing but gangs anymore.
They treat public spaces as their "turf" the way gangs to
Cops and mental health don’t mix.
Ya because they aren’t social workers, if you blurr the lines then policing loses its meaning.
@@ikematthews6866 All you have to do is care and you can learn.
@@ikematthews6866 agreed. In full. We need to pull some money out of their weapons budget and hire some more mental health professionals.
@@ikematthews6866 Agreed. let's just let the cops shoot people they provoke. De-escalation is over rated.
@@augustbernard3396 or, OR we vastly increase the funding so that we can pay salaries high enough to attract worthy individuals. PR for the police has become so poor that precincts are dropping hiring requirements left and right to keep officers on the streets. I know it seems counterintuitive, but increasing funding and training would be a net gain for our society
The whole story is unhinged. How do you go from Yale Phd to stabbing a cop? She was dealing with severe stress in her life. Sad.
I doubt she stayed anyone.He stuck his self with his own knife.
No she was nuts, not sure how she was awarded that phd
@rosemcginnis914 Mental health problems are pretty common among grad students. It's a hard work where you tend to be underpaid and very socially isolated (spending most of your days in a lab or a library). Then you have to compete for very few academic jobs that are available. Mental health screening isn't exactly part of the process.
You write a publishable paper, present it in front of a commitee which essentially is just there to prove it's your work, because if you can't answer basic questions, someone else probably wrote it. If you manage to answer these questions, you get your diploma and that's about it.
I lived in an inexpensive condominium garden apartment complex for over a decade. Because they were inexpensive in a very expensive region, mentally ill people living on SSI resided in 1 out of every 4 apartments. They all had relatives that would check in from time to time, and manage finaces for them. They definitely took patience when they were not doing well. Having lived through this, I am beyond shocked this team of officers had a mental health team on the way but decided not to wait.The entire thing is, when these people are unhinged, they are unhinged. She didn't initiate the contact and she shut the door. I have zero EQ, zero, but why would you "poke a bear" when professional counselors are en route?
The situation with the condo management company seems extremely shady. You don’t pay a couple of management fees and now you don’t on your $400,000 condo anymore?! Sounds like this company is running a scam
It could have been in the contract
They'd have to be hoping for a payment so they can sell to their friends cheap. In one similar Florida case the foreclosure attorney bought the ill-gotten condo. This is the American way?
@@AliValentine143 Yep. Stark Capitalism at its finest.
I expect she paid cash and did not understand she had to pay taxes. In addition to that, she would also have ignored maintenance fees......Not untypical for a PhD .not used to handle everyday issues......Her work was likely totally consuming and she had no time for the basic stuff. How did it get that far ? No cops should have been involved, just some counseling.....
@@linanicolia1363 jealous because you ain't a PhD doctor? Common cuuunt!
Escalating by threatening just makes the the deadly outcome almost certain. Poor training in deescalating.
Anyone who would have a property bought for $450 000 sold for $30 ,000 has the. Right too be pissed off...I do not think this should be legal....
She was probably ignoring notices
Many places are sold at public auctions or sold for back taxes.
When they make the rules were always the criminal.
when you sell it at auction for an HOA sale, you buy the property with the first deed of trust still having priority over the property, that means if she had a mortgage it would still be owed on the property, so it is possible that 30k was a fair price because the buyer would still have to pay off the mortgage.
Avoid any realstate with a HOA.
HOA sound like a lawyers driven scheme. America have more lawyers per 1000 than any other countries.
I can't believe how the police can go to someone's house, provoke them and then just kill'em as if it was a life and death situation. It was just a god damn eviction. Disgusting.
Your country's gun lovers are all sick pos... hammers looking for a nail.
They are nazis
Huh? The sheriffs dept went to serve an eviction notice. She answered the door with a knife & was asked to put the knife down. She refused. It went from there. If you think thats provication, WOW.
Okay, this is weird....what's going on...8 hours ago you commented on a post from 10 months ago, as if you were expecting me to read this. Is it possible that people are sometimes compelled to do thing?
They do that 90% of the time, especially in big cities.
She closed the door. That should have been the end of the story. They could have come back later with a mental health team. Dr. G gives us great tactics for dealing with people who have mental illness.
Well they had to wait outside because what is she decided to leave her apartment? She would become a threat to the public since it was not clear why she felt threatened enough to hold a knife while talking to a uniformed officer. However, they definitely should have waited as she was not a threat to anyone inside the apt and waiting outside could've kept her from leaving and possibly acting out on anyone else.
wow criminals will rejoice all they have to do is close the door. I'm glad police enforce laws at the convenience of the law breakers.
@@jhoughjr1 what law did she break? Carrying a knife in her own house. Possibly a crime on another day. Nothing requiring a big bust in after already terrifying her with a gun to her face. None of this was needed at all.
@@jhoughjr1 She never left her home. She has a right to answer her door with whatever she chooses.
Agreed Brownie! This was an EVICTION, not murder. Normally it goes routine when it doesnt cops need to de-escalate whenever possible. They Called for mental health team then didnt wait for them to arrive, WTF? Why call them then?
Bad policing here, needless death and could have been worse all bc the way cops handled this.
If theyd just left, let her cool down, wait for her to leave her apt., then arrest her when shes not expecting it, take her on a 5150 for evaluation.
Fighting her at her door when shes delusional is just dumb.
De-escalation is so critical for police to know when working with clients with mental health issues. I work in the ER and often evaluate those with psychosis and bipolar and having a gentle tone with empathy and reassurance does wonders in calming down a person with heightened emotions. I understand it wasn't in the ER and there was increased risk but the fact that there were so many of them and only one of her - they absolutely could have waited for mental health professionals. It's sad that she is dead because of lack of training
As soon as he said she was diagnosed Bipolar I got super sad. Knew where this was going. I agree the police need mental health training. I think everyone.needs to learn more and BELIEVE what they learn, and dont take it personal.
@@evonne315
i don't think the police want mental health training. they want to shoot people. it seems it is the only purpose for joining the police
Yes the SDSD only escalated the situation a Crisis intervention Team was needed after 1st interaction
And bringing a barking K-9 with 6-7 officers shouting cost her life
I'd send a social worker but have an officer nearby just in case there's trouble. From what I've read, the vast majority of mental health patients aren't violent but there's always a possibility.
My plan would be to have the officer out of sight but nearby. Should things turn south, the social worker would have a radio or a panic button to summon help.
If social workers are too expensive for a police department then perhaps a firefighter or an EMT would take the place of a social worker.
She's not dead because of a lack of training, she's dead because she chased the officers out of her home with a knife and then stabbed one of them.
You don't have to be bi-polar to experience false judgement based on the ignorance of Police. I agree with your assessment whole heartedly, Dr. Grande.
I know of a young girl whose parent called for help getting her to the hospital. The mental health expert never arrived and the police handcuffed the girl and confined her until the ambulance came. By the time they were through with her, she was put on display in the condo lobby and had bruises on her wrists and all the way up her arms.
I wish you guys would visit some of the pro police channels like Police Activity once and a while. A rational thought is few and far between there. People like to stick to their echo chambers, and I get that, I don't think there is much to be gained though online discourse. Especially on RUclips. But incidences like these are becoming more, and more common. And instead of encouraging more empathy and tactics from our police, people are just cheering them on. usually if it winds up on Police Activity it's because they believe it paints cops in a good light, but that's kind of my point. This is what they now view as top tier policing. Bumbling over each other to break in a door where there was no danger, over a civil issue, putting themselves in a bad situation on purpose to justify their inevitable actions. This is the new norm, and I would love to see someone with a dissenting point of view around once and a while in other communities.
He referenced the psychosis she was probably going through, and the difference between a person experiencing psychosis and someone who is not, is the capacity for, and responsibility to, communicate and cooperate.
@@LisaMaryification Yeah wouldn't want here to have any shame for her actions, or to learn they have consequences. Don't fuckign call the cops when you want a baby sitter.
@@dishonoredundead I worked many years closely with the police. I have travelled to many places and gained experience with Police as a civilian/ tourist in many of these places . My experience in later years is that there is good and bad approaches. A lot has to do with the attitude of those who are running the show, the personality of the Police person and their intelligence and education. Every person is different. It is in the interests of society to keep these civil servants up to date and in practice so that mistakes are not monumental as in this case. There will always be mistakes but the negative effects can be minimal if one is kept in practice, like practicing CPR. I still think the way a lot of police handle the general public can be rather arrogant and showing a lack of respect. Apart from that, Dr Grande, I think, is spot on in his assessment.
Taking away people's shelter at the end of a gun is pretty disgusting on its own. Police are for public safety and shouldn't be allowed to be used by private individuals or companies to forcefully remove people from their homes.
A great point about asking questions to deescalate, Dr. G. I've had mental episodes myself and only once did anyone try to listen or show concern. The situation ended up so much better that way.
As someone who has had to deal with police while experiencing severe postpartum bipolar, this is terrifying. Thankfully my interaction with a team of armed police was non-lethal after my neighbor called them when she thought I was a danger to myself - thankfully.
What is your relationship like with your neighbors now?
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Thank you, Dr. Grande, for analyzing these cases. Compelling stories, really. As others have noted - as well as my own experiences in auctions - the $30K sale smells to high heaven: no way that it was publicly announced, this was an inside job of only insiders (or just one insider) bidding on the property. Those people need to be in jail.
The buyer at the auction paid 30k dollars; and certainly had to take over the bank note for several hundred thousand dollars. Even at that he could flip it and make a hundred thousand which is typical for that type of situation.
Who can blame her fear? All we hear about is shooting, robberies, rape ..etc...Why should we always accept that the " police " was in fear? Hell, I am afraid just at the thought of a police at my door, too me I will think that I would be few seconds from getting beaten down or shot! Stories like these don't help. Something needs to be done about these criminals with guns and badges!
The 30k is the amount of the lien on the property, which was placed by The property management. Nothing nefarious, merely protocol. Calm down, Skippy.
@@canileaveitblank1476 The 30k is reportedly the high bid at the lien auction; not the lien amount. Take it easy there Skippy.
Absolute baseless hogwash... Those property auctions are public as are the records of each sale.
IDK how he could miss her with a beanbag rifle 4 times at such a proximity, it also seemed that no one was in charge on the police side. Lots of ineptness, oversights in these officers actions.
She was 80% - 90% behind the closed door.
Rifles can't fire bean bags
Very true it's normally always the first officer on scene even if there is a sergeant or corporal it always falls on the first officer on scene. And in this case the first officer was a total f-ing imbecile.
Point of a firearm is to keep distance between yourself and an attacker while still being able to defend yourself.
@@shootingbricks8554 Thank you for your expertise. Point is, how could he miss at bad breath range? I doubt he fired.
Dr. Grande, I love the tone of your voice. It is the perfect therapist voice.
Paper should've been served, and that should've been the end of it. That officer's job was to serve that paper and leave. She is well within her legal right to answer the door with a knife in her hand. No law was broken. And then once she hurt that officer's feelings, he decided to try to find in a reason to arrest her because his feelings were hurt and he was angry. This is ridiculous. Nobody had to die.
Thank you Dr. Grande for doing this case. As an asian woman living in the US, I concur there’s no evidence of racial motivation here. From my experience, people don’t mistakenly assume I am a violent threat, but rather usually the opposite - that I am meek and confused. What I have to disagree on is that the officer who made initial contact did not have understandable behavior. Even as a “paperwork guy”, his training as a member of the police force should have instilled appropriate responses when faced with a potentially violent individual. Being surprised is not an excuse to panic, shout expletives at the individual, escalate the situation, and give incorrect commands. As for the backup team, I am in awe. If these guys were trainees doing a simulation, I would have given them a big fat F for their disastrous judgment, skills, and lack of coordination. But these were full blown officers who were also briefed on the situation. This awful case highlighted the incompetence of SD sheriff’s to an international audience. A true waste of taxpayer dollars and tragic outcome for Dr Li.
@@brucelee4996 thank you
"Meek and confused" is indeed the stereotype - so well put - and something that you most certainly are not. Thanks for your insights.
Asian women are well known for their knife skills lol.
What was so incorrect about "drop the knife"
Sometimes being overbearing and very verbally commanding can help the situation. You can't always have the right response to someone. What you can do 100% of the time though, is not charge the police with a knife. It's easier to teach people not to do that, than teach officers to be absolutely perfect in every single situation.
yes people having episodes can't always follow instructions as well as the instructor expects ...there is no good reason for them not to have waited for the psych team
There is one reason: being a trigger happy brute.
@@puketinmoarliek994 yes, no GOOD reason
Yes, let the mental health team get stabbed first.
That's a really bad reason. Id even say a grossly negligent if not malicious one even.
On behalf of insomniacs everywhere, thank you for these late night videos Dr Grande.
Absolutely correct. SDPD officers mishandled the situation from the beginning.
This bum should have been prosecuted. Plus this woman was robbed.I hope her family sues.
They got 835K
Why not be accompanied with social services to help deescalate? This killing was preventable.
Because that'll end up with the social service worker dead often as not.
This lady STABBED the cops and was consistently armed.
The situations police often walk into are absolutely bonkers and completely unpredictable. The officer is gonna have to go in first for the safety of the social worker...and that's when the bad thing is going to happen.
What if she had used that knife on someone else while waiting for these supposed professionals? What would you say then? You'd blame the police for not acting.
What sounds like a good idea on paper (as most things do, only on paper) is unrealistic I'm the types of situations that cops deal with on a daily basis.
You'd need a social worker literally riding around with the officer at all times and more often than not, they're just gonna get in the way as they try (and fail) to talk a man 10 days high on meth down from his psychosis or a manic woman with a butcher knife.
There's a place for mental health professionals...on the front lines with cops dealing with armed people isn't it.
I am not sure if you realize how much damage can be done with a knife and how quickly it can be done. Watch a couple videos on knives and what they can do....it takes about a second to kill someone.
Because that'll end up with the social service worker dead often as not.
And then you end up with a dead social worker AND a dead perpetrator.
This lady STABBED the cops and was consistently armed through the entire event. They even tried to run as she chased them.
The situations police often walk into are absolutely bonkers and completely unpredictable. People who think these things can be easily prevented are enjoying 20/20 hindsight....And not facing down a psychotic person with a knife.
What if she had used that knife on someone in the household while they waited for these professionals? Their inaction would have caused more death.
What would you say then?
You'd blame the police for not acting, then...
What sounds like a good idea on paper (as most things do, only on paper) is unrealistic I'm the types of situations that cops deal with on a daily basis.
You'd need a social worker literally riding around with the officer at all times and more often than not, they're just gonna get in the way as they try (and fail) to talk a man 10 days high on meth down from his psychosis or a manic woman with a butcher knife.
There's a place for mental health professionals...on the front lines with cops dealing with armed people isn't it.
I am not sure if you realize how much damage can be done with a knife and how quickly it can be done. Watch a couple videos on knives and what they can do....it takes about a second to kill someone.
They need a CIT like a lot if PDs most interactions like this end with noone getting hurt
Trying to come up with a protocol that's financially and resource available and legally acceptable is probably something that can't be figured out. If they had a mental health professional there, do you think that professional has the defensive capabilities to protect themself from being stabbed or shot at? Are there mental health professionals willing to do this work, being in a hostile situation and or carrying a gun to defend themselves? What are the answers? We can sit here and analyze the situation and complain and write out bad cop blah blah... but this youtuber doc nor you guys are offering real step by step solutions... You think that government officials would already have a solution, an action plan drawn up for law agencies to implement but alas, nothing. I seriously can't imagine a licensed therapist saying waiting for the calls at all times of the day and to rush over and be ready to defend themselves .
@@jazeenharal6013so why call for the mental health practitioners in the first place? The police overreacted and were clearly clueless about dealing with mental health patients
I will never understand why police are so adverse to de-escalation? I owned bars and nightclubs for 20 years. in that time, there were many instances where a customer was unruly either due to inebriation or just having a bad night. I, along with the bouncer staff, usually had the superior position and we could have, in just about all cases, subdued the customer violently. Instead, we always chose, if we were able, to calm the person and let the situation end with no further incident. We always assessed that escalating the problem would, in the end, lead to further unwanted problems for us. I think this is analogous to situations and decisions that police must handle. Why won't they deescalate, if not for the suspect, then for themselves. At the very least, they can avoid paperwork, marks against their record, and investigations. Each situation has the potential for levelled charges, criminal and civil, resulting in judgements jeopardizing their careers and even their freedom. In the bars, we constantly chose de-escalation over possible bad outcomes. Why does it seem that police are incapable of such rationality?
During the early 90s I saw a cop taking his time de-escalate a situation with a drunken man who had a knife.
He was dangerously close to the knife holder, but he kept his gun in his holster and approached the man while calming him before taking the knife from his hands
The drunken man sobbed like a child before finally releasing the knife. He was a big dude, a inch bigger than the cop, but no life got lost and everyone clapped for the cop, he was a heroe for the day and as a kid,I wanted to become like him one day. People Said thanks, cops simply answer, "it's my duty".
I thought that the drunken man with a knife wasn't worth the effort and I had a lot of praise for the police, I believed that they were necessary like Doctors for the society.
Sadly thing has changed after 911 and the invasion of Afghanistan, Afghan veterans became cops, and Georges Bush engaged in a militarization of the police forces in the United States while the older good cops retired. This is how we end up in this situation.
I admire that ability
That's probably why you're working in bars, and not in the police force. In your field, communication, exchanging with people, and empathy are key to success.
To be a succesful cop, you just need to be intimidating, threatening, and know how to shoot. You can't expect rationality from unintelligent people.
You are so right about everything you said here. Thank you for saying it! You sound like you were a great business owner!
Because they are the law, de-escalation is useless.
The door was closed, they had multiple officers there but just couldn’t wait for the mental health trained team to arrive and just had to knock the door down??? I am disappointed ngl.
I like to see what you would do if someone came at you with a butcher knife.
They look for problems...in a bad way.
I just remembered a joke relating to cops and sex . They "aim and they shoot " !!!! just like what they do at work......Ha...ha.....no real lovers there....Taking us away from the tragedy. .It is getting heavy. .
@@shelleygold4923 they watch too many movies. Really sad with how this was handled
wow, ya'll think that a mental health professional is the answer lol. You think they can "talk" to this person and the suspect will change their mind? Or offer them a pill at the time of the incident and say "here take this".... what do you think the protocol is for a mental health professional to drive up with sirens and what their steps would be?
Screaming expletives at a woman seems less than professional and an unskilled way to negotiate any situation with anyone. Yet it's fairly typical law enforcement behavior.
They are the slave patrol.
Try to picture these scare men trying to do police works...they scrambled out the door, running into each others. Funny. Tragic death.
Certainly tragic.
The police are trained to take an authoritative role in all situations. They want to be in control! Foul language doesn't seem to be a good way to do this, but it was the officer's call. I think it may have harmed his objective because he appeared very unprofessional. The woman may have been very combative because the management company was obviously trying to rip her off!!
I don't understand why cops think screaming at a suspect is helpful.
They seem to escalate every situation.
Local police departments are more akin to a military force. The purpose is to dominate, produce submission and intimidate through force, even in small town America.
And what would you do if someone has a weapon, talk to them in a soothing voice?
@@cg5648 yes absolutely , it helps de escalate the situation .screaming at someone will only make them more likely to be aggressive . It's basic psychology
@@jenjen.rutherford8559 become a cop and try it out. It’s worth a try.
@@jenjen.rutherford8559 And how many altercations have you been in? Even situations where deadly threats aren't involved almost always ends up in raised voices. It's part of how humans react to intense and threatening situations.
Sounds like Officer Bunch had been waiting for a situation like this so he would have some exciting story to tell. It was clear she was confused and the officer simply leaving was the proper tactic. Perhaps there was a reason he was just a paper delivering officer.
It sounded like he didn’t have a lot of experience when confronted by someone with a weapon. He normally probably just served the paperwork and left. He should’ve had more in-service training every year so he’d feel more comfortable in these types of confrontations.
That's your imagination now.
I'm pretty sure she just saw them as humans with guns. the cop saw her armed and became paranoid. There's no reason why her paranoia was anymore unreasonable than the police's paranoia. if the police believes having a knife is criminal, then the cop needs to understand that him having a gun creates the same type of fear.
Exactly my thoughts. You don't need to have mental health issues to be afraid of a man with a gun who won't identify himself.
@@jocelynhunter2359 How would you have the officer "identify" himself?
You don’t answer the door with a meat cleaver! She was nuts
@@martinwhite418 She asked to see the first officer’s badge and instead of showing her or giving her an ID number to look up/call in to her local 911, he pointed a gun at her. She thought he was an intruder and he didn’t disprove her theory. There are serial killers who dressed up like cops to gain the trust of their victims, so even her paranoia is not entirely unfounded.
@@Juke582 you are on the wrong channel if you're just out here calling people "nuts" when they are having mental health problems.. this is a mental health channel - she has bipolar disorder, not "nuts" disorder
Really, the cops need to drop their screaming. I've seen them doing a drive through in the apartment complex , and when they see someone walk out to their car for work, they go from boring drive through to screaming at a citizen who pays their salary and cussing at them. The rest of us seem capable of speaking calmly to people in sketchy situations, they need to do the same.
Just one more example of how we are failing to care for and protect the part of our society with mental health issues. Very sad. Great analysis!!!
Are you trying to get a job in mental health, by producing more job postings. That's a good business strategy.
Go out today and do something for the many that are on the streets. I bet you won't.
@@itsallfunandgamestilWhy so negative?
@@itsallfunandgamestil Actually I have a child with a mental illness and he has been homeless at times. Since I retired, I am fully engaged in volunteer work in this area as well as my local food bank, home for LBGTQ displaced youth, and I have two certified therapy dogs and our team participates in community events and hospice visits. I have been volunteering since high school , but retirement allows me so much more time to be of service in my community! It’s great.
Never herd off this case ! WOW thank you Dr,
The police needed a warrant to arrest Li for the incident that occurred the day before. They had no right to enter her apartment.
You're definitely not a lawyer. Shut up.
Dr. Grande missed this fact. Shame.
Wasn't her apartment anymore
Hearsay and congecture is all they need.
She didn't have an apartment.
The first deputy could’ve switched it to act like he was there to help her. Who’s the knife for? Are you ok? Is someone trying to hurt you? I’m here to help you.
I know she was being evicted, and it’s hindsight.
Yes. I did something similar. A person holding the knife is committing a threat display. Back off and talk.
what you expect is america cops
Nah bro. Y’all treat people way to nice. She needs to drop the knife or I’m shooting her in her leg. I don’t care bro. Ur an idiot if you don’t drop a weapon in front of the police. Ur asking to be shot. And I’m black so this is just idiotic
It's not uncommon (Or illegal) for a person to arm themselves before opening a door to a stranger. Holding a knife by your side, in your own house, while not making any threats isn't illegal. He was there to give her the paper, he did. He felt threatened by the knife, but she never came after him and instead closed the door. I don't think he had justification to point a gun at her, and they certainly didn't have enough probable cause to enter without a warrant. A civilian would not be excused if they behaved like this officer in similar circumstances.
The more I discover about thus story, the more sickened I feel, because we've seen it over and over.
Exactly my thoughts!
Yes. Women are constantly warned to be wary of fake police trying to lure you to open your door. A woman alone would be smart to be careful. Police obviously need better education, including practice, and perhaps better screening or hiring processes. From electricians to teachers to doctors, professionals in certain jobs are required to have extensive training under an experienced professional. Police should be the same. And they just need to stop killing people.
The fallacy here is that he is an officer and he is giving her an official document, that is enough for her to use logic and deduct the veracity of the officers authority. Mind gymnastics in order to bend the narrative, man!
Reminds me of Daniel Shaver.
Could it be that the police brought about this situation as it seems that their ego wouldn't allow them to just wait for a professional team they damn well new was on its way, its seems these officers were actually tripping over themselves with their sheer stupidity and shouting and swearing at a lone mentally ill woman was oh so brave but just inflamed this situation.
She was in her house , you couldn’t just de-escalate and wait it out and let her calm down and handle it ? Here is a women who has been screwed over , has mental health issue and she has to be killed ? This is a classic example of over action taking things way out of context .
Yea the video that was released bothered me, now we are seeing similar if not worse videos where there is no de-escalation. Almost as if there's no training being applied, just react react react.
This is typical of every police department in the US and we allow them to keep hiring people who shouldn't be officers. They don't know they are serving a public trust and they all act according to their egos.
She dealt a real shitty hand,,rip
In the year 2000, there was a standoff between Irish police and an armed man with psychiatric illnesses in the village of Abbeylara, Ireland. The siege lasted 25 hours, with John Carthy being fatally shot by the end of it. It caused a number of inquests and went to the top of government with the Barr Tribunal. The government made an apology to the family over the incident. Police in Ireland very rarely shoot people, and they do not carry firearms in general.
On a side note, the Irish police, called Gardaí, requested at one point that the FBI investigate the case. The findings of the FBI was that they didn't kill him quickly enough. Which says a lot about US law enforcement.
This story is on YT under Irish Coffee
Wow.
@Lynette Agueda Policing in Ireland is very different. And we have never had a mass shooter.
Jesus Christ :(
I don’t understand this logic. Are you under the impression that rogue police shooting is a practical concern? Lookup most common violent crimes to make sure being denied self-defense is really in your best interest.
The questions should be: Why are US police so poorly trained and why are they not encouraged to develop de-escalation skills?
Cause they were De-funded.
Too expensive. They should sell their army and military type equipment back to the military.
@@peacefulnatural They were already like that before they were "defunded" 😂. Don't be joking around.
I feel like this is situation-specific. There were to many roosters in the hen house, so to speak, and it got out of hand. It's interesting to me that you people want to only examine one side of the situation and draw generalizations from that, forgetting she wielded a knife and used it. Good riddance to her tbh
@@peacefulnatural Oh great. Another person who has no clue what "Defund the Police" means. To be fair, it is a stupidly misleading phrase, but what it means is reducing the job burden of the police by taking away responsibilities that they are not trained or equipped to deal with. Like, for instance, deescalating the situation with a mentally ill person. Police forces across the country have been BEGGING for this for decades.
Agree. This crew of police was very unwise NOT to wait for the clinician(s) to arrive.
Yeah because those “clinicians” were going to be able to talk down this nut job woman. The only language she would understand was bullets. Don’t take her side, she needed to go.
I imagine they knew they didn't have to. There would be an investigation but zero consequences.
All ego. She was locked in her apartment. She was going nowhere. They could have easily waited.
@@treasurethetime2463 Easily waited for what? This woman’s fried brain to fix itself? She was done for, dude. The cow had to be culled.
@@treasurethetime2463 Police today are dead set(no pun intended)on getting some kills under their belt. The part about her being alone in her apartment safe, and them choosing to gang rush in like they had just been dropped via a clown car, to kill a little old lady, is usually left out of the story they tell to their family and friends at the bar. And if you think I'm being unfair, go read comments on R/ServeAndProtect. Police have a warrior mentality now, only problem is they aren't soldiers. But that wont stop them from killing people who are no threat to anyone but themselves, or civil matters.
And just on a personal note I feel so bad for this woman. She didn't want to leave her home, she felt she was wronged, she knew she couldn't explain that to a disinterested thug, she had already been served, their duty was fulfilled, he could have just left and it would have been perfectly legal. And then her reputation was professionally shredded to protect the police posthumously. I don't understand how people can defend this type of thing, but at the very least people could show a tiny bit of compassion for their fellow man. just because they can do something, doesn't mean they should. Who did they help here?
I 100% agree on your analysis about the Bing Bag Officer needling to maintain more distance and the clumsy traffic jam that ensued as a result
I’m critical when police officers cannot wait for a mental health team to arrive to de-escalate the situation. When there’s a bunch of them, and a barking dog that will only escalate things. We see a lot of power and control issues with police officers
In this day and age, it seem prudent that the training of police should include some mental health skills. I gather that it is just a specialty. What a sad outcome for her and for the reputation of the police. Thank you, Dr Grande for another enlightening analysis!
Police in most states are barely trained at all. A couple months at most and then they are put on the job.
Well said. One problem also is that law enforcement sometimes comment not always, but sometimes, attracts attracts people who are hurt and kill just for the heck of it. I am by no means of saying that this includes all members of law enforcement or even perhaps but nearly every day on the national news I'm hearing of an episode somewhere or rather where an unarmed person was it was injured or killed, somewhere in this hemisphere. Sometimes I think they even with mental health training people like this would still reach for the gun and shoot 1st...
@@beagledog2001 back the 2000s police standard used to be a lot higher nobody wants to be police these days and though not getting a lot more recruits show their lowering standards as well that's just another factor
@@anthonyle1838 no doubt you are right
Yeah and you can pay for it.
10:27.. She was right. Somebody did harm her.
Trauma is harm. Loosing your home is insanly traumatic.
$30.00 for a property in Califonia, even in short sale! Is that even legal? She was robbed. May she Rest In Peace.
Edit: Her house was sold for $30,000.00 which is ridiculous considering how expensive San Diego is. I have never heard any property being bought or sold for that low amount, maybe a dog house in southern Califonia.
$ 30,000.00
Something about this doesn’t sound right…
$30? What did you listen to. 30 thousand
Pretty sure it had to have been a typo. There's no way she meant $30.
@@raiusdaltar1483 The buyer at the auction paid 30k dollars; and certainly had to take over the bank note for several hundred thousand dollars. Even at that he could flip it and make a hundred thousand which is typical for that type of situation.
Thank you Dr. Grande, I always enjoy hearing your point of view.
Omg Dr Grande!! You mentioned the 5-Factors, and said “mostly because of the killing part”!!
Another victim of woefully incompetent police. What a shocker.
Another excellent breakdown, doc. Really appreciate you sharing this with us. I hadn't heard of this tragedy before now. Keep up the amazing work, good sir.
she died because she attacked cops with a knife, stabbing one of them, not because of "incompetent" police. mental illness does not give anyone the right to become violent!
@@sullivanknoth6430 Did you not watch the video? Dr. Grande is a certified mental health clinician. He specializes in methodologies pertaining to handling people struggling with mental illnesses like the one this victim was struggling with, and he very clearly provided several ways in which this scenario could have been approached which most likely would not have resulted in this woman being killed. She was killed because the police didn't have a clue how to handle this scenario in a more reasonable fashion. The bumbling idiots didn't even have the patience to wait for the mental health specialists to arrive on scene who were literally on their way. Incompetence.
In Canada where I live, it happened many times. Every couple of years something like that happen, cops get called to help a mentally ill person but endup shooting the person that they claimed to wanting to help .
There are way more to this than police brutality, it's a classics example of the new world where we heading, a word where condos replace house units for condos everywhere.
A world where condos become mini cities and who are behind them exactly? That's something that we will slowly discover in the future.
For last,a world where psychopath cops are accepted and trained to kill anyone who oppose banks and anything financial, but close eyes on other crimes, letting big manifestation for social movement, as long that Banks or investment properties are no being targeted.
How about pay your bills and don't threaten police with knives.
@@netta96 Lol where did either of those happen?
there was no urgency to remove her by entering . They could have negotiated.
The police guy could simply go away after delivering the document. Instead of yelling at her. She is fully entitled having a knife in her hand in her own property, and according to the story she didn't attack him.
Dr. Grande is my FAVORITE content creator 🔥🙏🏾
Don't be a suck up!🙄
That is unproffesional behaviour by the deputies! 😊
I Absolutely Love your Conclusion points of this Very Unfortunate situation!! Sooo MANY things Should have occurred to Make Sure..NO ONE was injured..Much Less killed!! Thank you Dr. Grande you Are a Gem😃🤩🎯🏆
I disagree. Thankfully Dr Grande has never been the victim of police imposters.She stated she wasn’t positive who they were. I agree with her. I have had an encounter with police imposters but I never opened the door. I called 911 and they sent real police. I stayed on the phone until the real police arrived at the front door and I confirmed with the dispatcher the name, badge number and description of the officers. The real officers told me that I was smart not to open the door as there had been a string of home invasions in our area with the intruders posing as police. I was terrified.
Then why open the door?
I often find it weird that when people attack, they expect the person they're attacking to not fight back. Those were police officers in this scenario, but as you said, that's clearly not how they appeared from her POV.
That should have been taken into consideration.
No, she did not need to die in this situation. Racism, incompetence, or a combination of both, she did not have to die in this situation.
Edit: Btw, thank you for having an empathetic take on this particular case. it is very disheartening to know that this could have been prevented, but instead, it ended in tragedy.
Yup...the magic word for everything; Racism. Want real Racism? Go to China and get a clue.
Why do you think race had anything to do with this? Why throw the race card out there when there is nothing to support that motive?
@@andywomack3414 “everything’s racist” lol
@@andywomack3414 It's the National Pastime now. If you have not noticed...Marxists are using Race as an issue to divide the USA and stir up shit. TAke a listen to what the great Thomas Sowell had to say about it; a brilliant Black American man.
Racist lol where do you get that from?
Police incompetence. All police should have a psychology major.
Just a ounce of common sense would be enough to avoid this senseless killing.
So... fix incompetence by mandating a major in incompetence?
A degree in common sense would be best.
@@farmalmta Training in de-escalation techniques would be helpful.
Shame. This is devastating. I lost my sister to bipolar disorder 3 years ago. She was the sweetest person. This lady didn’t deserve to die like that.
This woman was stabbing people in the chest, you dimwit. Does she sound sweet to you???? What does that have to do with your sister?! Nothing!!! And what do you mean you lost her to bipolar? What did she do? Biploar doesn't kill you.
I’m sorry for the loss of your sister. ❤️
Thanks for bring awareness to this disorder and to the right way to help these people.
Totally preventable, senseless and shameful tragedy made by the police!
so you think she should have been allowed to keep stabbing the police?? You're a piece of work.
Her Son filed a lawsuit and won $825000 nothing was done to the cops for their killing her
Thats why your country sucks now, she charged police with a knife and had threatened other people. You both are delusional and bad for America.
Police were definitely in way over their heads with this one. They should have waited for the mental health people to get there but nope, they wanted something to brag about to their coworkers and ended up killing her for their stupidity. She was in the apartment and she was no danger to them, they could have just waited for the other team to get there to see if they could help.
what are "the mental health people" gonna do? Get stabbed? Mental health "professionals" help no one for nothing.
I would have to say this is the most level headed comment i've read here.
She broke the law, end of story, they were real soft on her for resisting arrest, and used only deadly force just after she attempted to murder one of them. I mean, really? Are you that thick.
Sure thing
all this shock and awe for single asian lady under some duress ? its sad how it ended leaving the cops with little choice. This is in the background of heightened violence against Asian women in general.
Police function to protect private property first, while human life lands lower on that list of priorities. (Unless it’s their own.) And why wait for the mental health team to arrive and handle the situation so much better? Might start convincing people that maybe a police state wasn’t such a good idea.
This channel is so valuable that it is only a matter of time before it becomes a cultural phenomena.
The videos are of such unique and dramatic crimes and the analysis is so helpful for gaining insight into their thought process.
The first question on an application to attend police academy should be "were you raised by fearful people to believe the world is a dangerous place."
Then, they should be tested for an addiction to drama and intensity (adrenaline, dopamine, recklessly endangering themselves and/or others).
Are you saying the world is not a dangerous place? Then you go serve eviction notices and have people try to ki!! You.
This is incredible. Someone robbed her of her property and caused this distress to begin with and now they are laughing all the way to the bank with no justice being served. It is incredible that the law doesn't state that they have to sell the property for approximately market price. There is a massive moral hazard in this situation.
Really?? So they should let her just stab whoever she wants when she gets upset?? Wow…
You sound very misinformed.
@@REDVETTExxx that's not what I was referring to. At the beginning of the video he mentioned that she hadn't paid her condo fees and this they sold the condo for something like 30k to pay them. What probably happenned is the person selling the condo had a friend (or they bought it themselves) for that price and pocketed a few hundred thousand. She clearly had some mental distress so they took advantage of it. What should have happenned is the property should have sold for market price, they should have paid the condo fees, and the rest should go to her.
@@svettypoo Thats not how the world works. Maybe it should
But it doesnt. You try missing 3-4 payments on your home. Watch the bank repo it and sell it and you wont get a penny. Same for her. But none of that really matters. All she had to do is NOT stab a cop. I dont even care for police but they have to protect themselves. Her mental illness if she even has one has nothing to do with this. I dont care what she was going through. Me and you and anyone else would have been blasted if we stab a cop. Its simple. Bringing morality and what should have happened into this is a moot point. Take emotions out of it. Drop the knife. Then sue for her home in court. Either way she would be alive to buy another!
She probably received multiple notices and ignored them. How about she just pay her bill.?
One thing that’s amazing to me is police must know they are under a microscope in this country. Yet they still do these stupid things resulting in peoples deaths. As you said They treated this like she was in the apartment killing people. If they went in because they thought she might kill herself that really back fired because it ended up suicide by cop.
They are clearly trying to normalize it, don't you see? From an outsider's perspective, the USA is a police state - serving the citizens had been deleted from the job description a long time ago and you are now experiencing the new generation of officers who have been trained in that manner from the very start.
No they reacted as though she was going to kill THEM!
They don't care about that shit. Only mostly libs care about police brutality and overreach, and they lack balls and/or power to do abything about it.
They are neither dominant nor acendant.
Guess who has the guns?
Not them. Lol.
She answered the door with a weapon. Police are under a microscope because people with fragmented information, much of which is inaccurate , believe they can make judgements about a police action. Unless you've been threatened with a weapon, you do not know how that feels. You say stupid thins, I say self defense.
Standing inside your own home with a weapon = death sentence, okay.
The police did escalate this situation like they always do!
Well she was pretty scary her and her knife
@@lisamac8503 I do hope you're being facetious.
@@lisamac8503 yeah standing there in HER HOME WITH HER OWN KNIFE, how dare she. I hope you don't ever have to cook anything at your house. How do you know she wasn't in the middle of preparing a meal or a whole week of meals for all we know?!?!
Another great instructive video. Thank you for posting with a unequaled regularity. Many youtubers didn't do that mutch of working when theirs channels grew big but you still post each days. I just wanted to bring some attention to this. Thank you.
I can't believe in US a management company can force sell someone's property. It is absurd
I think the mistake was made by the first officer. I'm pretty sure you hand over the paperwork and you leave.. why was he hanging around?? She was in her home, obviously having some mental health problems, the first officer escalated this situation unnecessarily 🥺
they give you several notices before they actually come remove you from the house. i highly doubt she had no idea that her property was being taken from her. The cops are fucking pathetic! What kind of piece of shit would want a job taking people’s homes from them?
She leaves the apt, she becomes a threat to the public. You can't predict what state someone is in but that she thought he was an imposter is a strong symptom of Possible psychosis or delusion
Some ppl think everything is “cops” fault…
@@NYLily07 I'm not anti cop but I think in this case it all got blown out of proportion early and after that no one was backing down.
@@cenedra2143 we should go back to mental institutions… too many unbalances, unpredictable and dangerous people among the normal ppl…. It’s a scary job to be a cop or ems even a fire fighter… anyone unticop should try to be one then criticize… try to live in NYC and see the crazy…
He served her the eviction notice and then didn't like that she answered the door with a knife. If a single woman in her own home wants to open the door armed for her safety she should be able to. He clearly got the paper into her hands before considering her a threat. He should've simply told her he knows it's gotta suck and wished her luck and walked out. His job was done. 🤷🏼♀️ But, noooo, gotta dig and find a reason to go back in and make her submit to his will, at any cost.
She was right, it doesn't need confirmed, they failed to respect her and her personal space despite her showing signs of paranoia. The officer could've served her and walked away! If the threats from the day before were so bad why wasn't she picked up the day before? 🤬
If he a gun he would show his badge . He's a scammer ,theif
My thoughts exactly! There are some crazy azz comments on here!
@@biggz48aperry54 Exactly! People can't see well.
Agree!
Absolutely not. In the moment, the officer handled the situation very well. He doesn’t have time to think about her paranoia. He sees someone with a knife and asks them to drop it. Very reasonable. And when she refuses, he has every right to search her house in case there is something wrong. His “job” may have been done but at the end of the day he isn’t a robot he’s a human. She could have been/putting people in a very dangerous situation by holding that knife, so checking was the right thing to do. They gave her multiple (I think 7-8) chances to drop the knife yet she refused. Not only did she still hold the knife, she CHARGED at an officer and plunged the knife into his body. I don’t care what paranoia or difficult situation you are in, attempting murder is never justifiable. It is quite unfortunate how the situation ended up but I don’t think the officer can be blamed in this situation. She couldn’t have possibly thought that her actions wouldn’t go unpunished. She was 100% responsible for escalating the situation.
How does this keep happening? It's mind boggling, and still shocking.
Right like what idiot attacks police with a knife
Qualified immunity is how. They can't be held responsible which is absolutely revolting. It needs to be stopped, then these things would stop happening.
@@PennelopeWhitmoreWe are In agreement over QI. It truly is a doctrine made up by SCOTUS, and used relentlessly as a defense for law enforcement to violate rights with impunity.
@@PennelopeWhitmore I don't think you know what "qualified immunity" means. Google is your friend.
Because these police have serious empathy issues. They think force is the only way.
Dr. Grande, can we please not normalize police violence. This was an ambush.
You made the comparison with this case and Uvalde. Yes. Training, and a set of testicles was needed. In the doctor's case, the balls to assess the threat as a disturbed woman, and not react the way they did. As a cop I dealt with many people with edged weapons. When initial commands of force are ignored (ie pointing the gun) the person is in a different state of mind(drugs and or mental illness). Your assessment was on point, and the way I would have handled her. In many cases involving the police that gain attention, I have noticed the cops use tactics (or lack there of) that make no sense to me (27 year police officer in a large NYC metropolitan area city). The Floyd case. I used the kneeling to the neck technique many times, and handled suspects acting the way Floyd did. Never once did I freeze like Chauvin. It was common sense to call for an ambulance or take the suspect to the hospital in the patrol car.
Your assessment is on point. I don't have anything to add to your statement.
Mike
The police was the aggressors, escalated the situation where they have no choice but to use lethal force to defend themselves.
They put her in a position where she felt she had to use lethal force to defend herself. Completely caused by the police.
Couldn't he just show his badge
@@Moodboard39 no his ego is too big
Dr. Grande, you provided some excellent suggestions on how to deal with someone undergoing a paranoid/psychotic episode. I can only imagine her fear while facing those officers screaming and pointing a gun at her. I wish the police officers could have waited for the Mental Health professionals to arrive.
Outstanding analysis, thank you.❤️
@@ArtCurator2020 That’s a good point.
Are we sure the police officer wasn't having a psychotic episode? Seems like paranoid rage.
Hi Rejane. Always love your comments. I do feel LE needs to take mental health into account and this situation clearly had those markings due to her history. Those cops used too much force but it's impossible to diagnose or know what stage anyone's in, even by their clinician. Sad case regardless, always great points by the doc. Have a super day & week 😊🌺🌵🍰💙💛
@@zenawarrior7442 Thank you Zena, I also enjoy your posts very much.🙂
Yes, I agree. They definitely used too much force. They were also confused and had no idea on how to handle the situation. Nonetheless, I think that keeping calm and collected is always advantageous and extremely important in this line of work. I wish they would adopt this approach more often instead of aggressively yelling at people.
Have a lovely day Zena!💕😘
@@rejaneoliveira5019 Hello! Yes agreed. Cops are trained to be aggressive to stop situations but many times can't turn that switch off or realize when it's to time back off. Shouldn't take 5 guys yelling w weapons to get the situation under control. Sad. Thx so much. Hug to you 🤗and have a lovely day too🐰🐞🌹💛
Such a sad incident💔😢 I wonder why they didn't wait for the mental health team? I haven't seen the film but it must be very disturbing indeed. I think you are so right, it's all in the way you talk to people. This didn't have to happen.
You dont wait when someone is suicidal and threatening to kill others. The manager and janitor of her building said that she told them was going go stab them.
They are pigs they assume you are guilty until proven innocent. They also have 0 mental health training, and police have shot more than 1400 mentally ill people since 2015
I totally agree with your analysis. People with mental health needs to be handle appropriately
As a former LEO, a candid and sound analysis.
I cant get past the fact he never showed her his badge after she told him she didn't know if he was an intruder.
This! Why didn’t he show it when he arrived, before he even served her?
He was in uniform. In was more than obvious he was an officer. She was out of control. She was a accident waiting to happen. If it wasn't police she would have eventually attacked someone else
@@johannadavis7594 it's not unheard of for ppl to impersonate law enforcement, including down to the uniform. Showing his badge when asked may have calmed her some. His refusal certainly didn't help the situation.
Because he was holding his gun out, probably. If he did feel threatened and didn't feel comfortable holding his gun with only one hand, then that could explain. Yes it's possible to shoot one handed but for accuracy and to keep others around safe it's best not to. One small flinch can send a bullet behind her and through a wall.
@AMicheal PR he knocked on the door for one and then explained to her why he was there in uniform. Intruders don’t tend to do that. And from a police officer point of view, she could have taken that one moment he went to show her his badge, which was on his uniform, to attack him with the knife.
One thousand views per minute?!? Good going, Dr. G.!!
Year ago, I lived in an apartment complex with my toddler. We walked down the hall and a man with his door open was yelling about f***ing dogs in his apartment and yelling for someone to get all the dogs out of his apartment. (There were no dogs.) I felt bad for him. I could tell he was anxious, but I didn't feel threatened. I just hurried past. He was safely removed and probably taken to the hospital for care.
The apartment manager got him removed from the complex because she was worried he might be dangerous. I'd only ever saw him shooting baskets with a basketball in the parking lot. He never seemed dangerous, but I would likely have done the same in her place.
As a veteran who has both performed and taught close quarters combat /building clearance, i haven't seen the video but just from the Dr's verbal explanation, i can identify multiple training and operative failures. 1 primary caveat i teach in training (when working as a team, if 1 team member feels that things are escalating out of control, and sees and potential resolution, that team member speaks up and the team leader, LISTENS)
Dr Grande I have been watching your videos for a few weeks and learnt a great deal about mental health issues.
I'm currently being assessed by a psychiatric team for issues that stem mostly from childhood traumas. The scene for those experiences were established prior to my birth. My father was a womaniser who had several other relationships outside of the marriage. My father was just 25 and my mother was 15 when she became pregnant with me in 1957. My mother's parents put a lot of pressure on my parents to get married so on my mothers 16th birthday they tied the knot. Within a couple of months of the marriage my father had become increasingly agitated and wrestless over the marriage. My mother was then about 5 or 6 months pregnant with me. They were having fierce arguments about the future and how they were going to cope with family life. On one occasion my father had suggested that my mother should consider a back street abortion. Her refusal resulted in an angry altercation in the street. My father pushed/threw my mother to the ground and proceeded to kick her in the stomach. I suppose the intension of this skirmish was to action an abortion. My mother told me she became so afraid of my father and developed a massive guilt complex about the pregnancy. Furthermore, to be pregnant at 15/16 carried a huge stigma at the time. My father convinced my mother to drink bottles of Port as this might induce an abortion. Obviously this didn't go to plan and I'm here to tell the tale.
My early years were one of living in fear. I remember seeing my father hit my mother on a few occasions and on other occasions I could hear shouting and objects being thrown in anger. My father would beat me for trivial things and on one occasion when I tried to escape from him I tumbled down the stairs injuring my head. There were a few occasions when I had an accident in the toilet when I peed on the toilet seat or floor. He would rub my nose in my pee and slap me. Other times I would pee myself out of fear. A couple of times I remember being pushed outside in the pouring rain and getting soaked only to catch a chill. On being told to go inside I would be slapped for making the floor wet. There were times when I watched my dad gorge himself on a hearty meal but all I had to eat was one slice of bread and butter. My mother also had little to eat. My parents eventually divorced when I was about 4 and I was placed under the Court's protection along with my two younger brothers. I was also moved out of the home due to my father having made threats on my life. My grandparents took me on and I was basically raised by them for most of my childhood although my mother would call by to see me every two or three weeks. My mother often fell out with her father over my keep which sometimes resulted in me being dragged out of the apartment by the hair. My mother would be shouting at me saying: you're not wanted here and as I don't want you either I will get the bogie man to take you away. If I resisted her attempts to pull me out of the apartment she would punch and kick me until I submitted. I would end up back at home for a few days until my grandmother had calmed things down. However, even my grandparents were quite strict and they would occasiinally beat me with a wooden spoon or a garden cane. There were times when they did'nt seem to want me either and there was talk of me going to live with a man who had lost his son to a car accident. Social workers would carry out home visits when the conversation would always include talk about us going into care. On reflection it seemed strange how my mother and grandparents did'nt seem to want me and yet they talked down the idea of me going into care.
Thoughout my childhood I was bullied extensively and would make out I was too unwell to go to school. I was abscent from school about every few weeks for up to a week. I had several toilet accidents at school and was sent home after being changed. I was beaten by kids after school and kids in the neighbourhood would beat me with cycle inner tubes filled with stones. I almost lost my eyesight when a kid pelted me with stones. Another occasion I was invited out to play by a gang of kids who having got me to the street corner pushed me to the ground and started kicking and punching me. Another time a kid held me down with a knife to my throat whilst asking other kids if he should slit my throat. I found out some years later he was sentenced to life for murder. I lived in fear and learnt to avoid other kids and looking for ways to escape their attention. I became a loner and very introvert. I found it very difficult to concentrate at school and lacked confidence.
Around the age of 11 my father had made attempts to form a relationship with me and would occasionally call by at my grandparents. I found it difficult to trust him but as time went on my father promised me his weightlifting bar and plates. This was what sealed my ability to trust him but a year later when I was 12 he tried to commit suicide. I broke down in school with two teachers trying to console me. I visited him in hospital that evening when I broke down again. He said: son I need help. About 2 years later he did commit suicide when I was just 14. I went to see him in the funeral home and I felt a sense of emotional paralysis. I felt like it was my fault he had taken his life.. I took to drinking heavily for about 2 years and became very destructive until I met a girlfriend.
I dont form relationships easily and the ones Im able to form dont really last. I have mood swings and fear abandonment although I can also abandon people who piss me off. Im not naturally aggressive or violent although I have had odd outbursts. Although Im not suicidal and dont experience suicidal ideation I sometimes wish I had'nt be born or could fall asleep and not wake up.
I have attempted different college courses and jobs but I never seemed to settle until I became a cab driver. The job allows me to have a lot of freedom and the nature of the job feels like Im able to escape by virtue of driving from one place to another. The job makes me feel free and there are many moments when I can sit in quiet areas away from everyone whilst waiting for a fare. Ive been married for 42 years but the marriage has been very unstable. My wife is a diamond who has stood by me through thick and thin. However my three daughters have all had to have couselling due to my angry outbursts. My mood swings and anger has deminished a lot in my mid 60's but my short term memory isnt so good. My long term memory only serves to cause flashbacks to childhood traumas.
In my early adult working life I was bullied and on two occasions I was almost killed by a forklift when a fellow employee drove at me in anger. Another time he pushed me into the path of an oncoming forklift. Another time I was set upon by two drunk guys for no reason who broke my upper four front teeth resulting in my teeth being capped. I had to have my teeth extracted a few years later due to the impact of the fight having traumatised the roots causing my immune system to attack the roots.
It would take too long to list other traumatic experinces but I have a total mistrust of people. In particulsr the medical profession is high on my list of mistrust especially after seeing my father in hospital on a drip and other incidents which have spooked me.
It's unclear to me what the job of a police officer delivering eviction notices is. My understanding is that once the papers were in the hand of the correct subject his job would end. What did it matter if the subject had a knife or a feather pen in their hand. Walk away and your job is done. If the subject does not adhere to the eviction notice sheriffs would take over. This was an escalation that only could result in someone's life.
Officer was sent to deliver the eviction notice because Dr. Li was threatening the building maintenance man the day before this happened to her. She already posed herself as dangerous, that’s why the officer immediately notices the knife and escalates the situation. Dr. Li is very aware that she is talking to a police officer, that’s why she slams the door on his face. Also, saw someone saying language barrier, and if you can’t understand basic English, then you can be an unruly lawbreaker? Dr. Li knew full well what she was doing and answering the door with a knife is clear that she had intentions to escalate the situation before the officers did. I agree, the officers did a terrible job, they had plenty of opportunities to shoot her before she got to stab anyone.
@@Tytaniumm First of all the Constitution protects you while you are in your dwelling. If The officer is holding eviction orders in his hand means that she had not been evicted yet and had every right to in her dwelling. Secondly, you can answer the door to your dwelling while holding whatever you want in your hand. That is not against the law. If you feel like you need to protect yourself then so be it. So my final analysis is that her constitutional rights were violated because some said that she threatened them. I don't think that deserves capital punishment.
@@victoradino6322 But if she was capable of picking the knife up, then she is capable of putting it down… She clearly wanted to put up a fight for that apartment, and quite frankly, that isn’t the way you go about it. She made it all the way out of her apartment with the knife before they shot her also if you watch the video. She was a threat before the officer at her door was. If I walk up to the wrong door and someone answers with a knife in hand, they just escalated a situation to be a lot more dramatic than it could play out. Exactly what happened here, yet the officers are the ones that tried to escalated it… you can’t just go pointing weapons at law enforcement, even in your home
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@@michaelbarbarich3965 would love to see who you are calling if someone breaks into your car, or getting mugged on the street…. Police can be bad just like people can be bad, but clearly you aren’t smart enough to tell the difference in the case. You can’t post a decent argument, just a term without any backing. Pathetic.
American police are always screaming and freaked out . Watch British police , unarmed , not screaming . Amazing.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 Well I guess that David did look real calm in the footage before he r@p€d and unalived Sarah Carrick. But you are right in terms of guns... the Pom Popo are rampantly racist and sexist, but not having every police officer armed with a gun, means that they don't have an outrageously high police kill count that the USA has.
Yeah as cool as our police can be they deal with firearms as a possibility not a ubiquitous danger so there is that.
@@helphelpimbeingrepressed9347 but the only firearm here is the one the police pointed at her. She had a knife.
@@jocelynhunter2359 Well there's the next issue: When an armed officer has a gun they need to maintain control over the weapon forcing them to require more personal space whereas a UK bobby would have backed up real quick taser/spray/baton/grapple as appropriate. With all this being said I think the Dr. was correct - they should have waited longer to calm the situation.
@@helphelpimbeingrepressed9347 but which would u rather have, the American police with lethal weapon that hardly knows how to keep calm in hairy situations or the UK Bobby backing up real quick to use other non-lethal force? I think the answer is in the gun culture of these two different societies.. I will rather have the latter!
It's hard not to see the Uvalde parallels, and the outcomes are both tragic.
Cops are power hungry guys ruled by testosterone. Tough guys
San Diego cops are better than uvalde cops, they will give these criminals a chance too drop their weapons and will not hesitate too go too a building where someone is holding hostage.
Thank You for this analysis. Anyone serving an eviction notice should be trained to deal with such a situation. A single woman is a perfect victim and she had every right to request proof of ID. Anyone would be suspicious of an armed person arriving at the door with documents. She should not have opened her door to a stranger without a witness present. Most women would call a neighbour. Obviously this victim was not capable of behaving appropriately. What a shame for all involved.
The HOA had come and threatened her the day before. She was suspecting more foul play by then. $30k for a $400 k condo? This was a scam and the cops stuck up for the scammers.
These cops asked for trouble! Justice for Dr Yan Li!
Great video as always! Could you do a video on Meaghan Walsh, John Walsh’s daughter? Her accusations against her father are very disturbing, I’d love to hear your analysis
This is such a sad story it is hard to even consider laughing at any joke. This should have been handled in a very different way than "selling" (more like "Insider selling"?) her apartment out from under her for $30,000. It sounds like they were happy for her to be dead as they had concluded that no one would stand up for her and sue them if she were to "disapear".
Magical thinking.
It sure seems like they had other options than foreclosure but didn't mind taking advantage of the mistake to get her out of the complex. Sad.
Hmm, "Insider Selling" 🤔now that would make sense. Seems losing some $800 k on your investment property and having it sold from under you would be enough to trigger anyone's mental, emotional and stress reactions.
So this case shows how using coercion while armed, can actually make the situation even worse. I think the problem is that law enforcement and most ways of governance in general, believe that having menacing and lethal qualities is more than enough to intimidate all potential threats and active hostiles into surrendering; while completely ignoring that people like Dr. Yan Li, will interpret the attempts of coercion as legitimate attempts on their lives and will fight to survive.
On the flipside, since you mentioned the Uvalde Shooting; dangerous individuals like Salvador Ramos will not be intimidated by any attempts of coercion, since they accepted their fate and are going to murder as many as they can, before dying.
Good points.
JPB
yeah fight guys with guns with a knife, works every time. Very smart PhD here.
They need to act differently when someone is mentally ill
@@jhoughjr1 people under a lot of stress in a situation will act very much against their own interest this is sadly common within people who are not even mentally ill
Excellent analysis! I always learn something when I watch your videos. Thank you for giving examples of the tactics you suggested.
Thank you Sir, you explained in such a way that's clearly pointed to the whole situation. So sad that she had to die. No one there to help her. The police should wait till the crisis teams to arrive. RIP
At one time I had 3 people with bipolar disorder as nextdoor neighbors. They were all men. When they went off their meds the Police would have to be called to take them to a mental health facility. They would be returned to their homes once the crisis was over and they had resumed taking their meds. This case could have been resolved in a nonlethal manner had the police waited for the mental health team, and if police departments trained their officers to deal with mental health situations. I believe the sale of her condominium should be investigated and the people responsible should be dealt with accordingly.
yessss sue the condo management company, investigate thT Auction and sue the police.