What's The Best Martial Art? My Personal Tier List Ranking!
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- Опубликовано: 30 май 2024
- Real Shaolin disciple makes a ranking of all the martial arts he has trained. Its a tierlist. Now he is writing a description in the third person. Now he has to go to the bathroom
ok i'm back. martial arts tier list is divided into Aesthetic, Fitness and Selfdefense
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00:00 Intro - What are the parameters of the Tier List?
01:39 Aikido
02:24 Wing Chun
03:52 Karate
04:47 Best Martial Art in the World
04:58 Taekwondo
06:09 BJJ
07:03 Judo
08:08 Kickboxing
08:59 Shaolin Kung Fu
10:42 Final Tier List
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RANTON I CHALLENGE YOU TO A KOSEN JUDO MATCH this is more like fighting on the ground, I will be in Germany next month If you win I'll buy you dinner every week for my two month stay there. No disrespect meant I love your channel I've been watching when you only had 4000 subscribers years ago.
Muay thai is the best kickboxing. Most aesthetic, best workout, most effective.
Ach Anton, das SS-Tier im Thumbnail ist doch kein Zufall, du SS-Tier.. 🤦♂️😅
@@moonsdonut5188 i challenge you to an HODEN HUSO MATCH 🤏🤛
I really thought "SS" would lead to some joke related to the mustache man
I didn't realise how useful judo is until I was forced into a street fight, it was extremely easy how they deliberately come close to u and u just easily throw them with little to no resistance. The hopelessness on their faces when they realise how quick they were thrown, priceless.
Well it is but not always... so once some bully at school (black belt judo) jumped me (i do muay thai btw) he tried to throw me on the ground i just tanked it and pushed him away then done low kick.. he couldnt walk..... btw some martial arts i hate and think theyre boring: (just my opinion) bjj, judo, karate, aikido, boxing (kick boxing is way better than boxing)
@@rofx1842 I beat up a kickboxer with my judo tho XD it was in highschool he was doing KB for 10 years, he first punched me, i took it in my face, then once i had a hold on him, it was over, he flew, i got on top position, then just beat him up
i think it depends the level of both guys in their sports... i was better at judo than he was in kb, and u were better at your sport than him
True, bjj, judo sambo or wrestling are awesome on the streets.
@@skotoze970 Agree, It isn't about judo, sambo or other style. It is about persons skills.
@@rofx1842 yeah but you do muay Thai tho, you're probably just better than him, in my case the one who tried to intimidate me was untrained, just a dum guy who thought he was tough. I wasn't really saying that judo is the best or anything btw, I think it depends a lot on how good you are, judo is great but not anyone who does judo will emerge victorious against a trained fighter of other martial arts, they can be easily beat by by let's say a kickboxer or a muay Thai like you because you are simply better.
Bro! Ranton’s editing remains unmatched 😂 always makes me laugh!
:Radal: I hav arive
Have you ever seen a Max0r video?
Fax
Dat fly 🕊️ 😂😂
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You should include the 100 metre sprint. That us by far the best self defense technique and martial art. I often use it when I have to defend myself or run away from problems in my life.
I seriously agree with you
yup & maybe also parkour
Weak
Unless you have your mom or gf with you, than you gonna ditch them? Hitting a bag will do you more good than running.
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about judo: as a girl, got attacked by a group of 5 guys at night. One judo flip and immobilization of one guy to the ground, coupled with their surprise, did the trick and got them to leave.
Not sure about practice rating though - you're missing all of the judo "ground fight", very similar to BJJ. I love your content and want to get into kung fu more, thanks for the inspiration.
Nice storyline good for feminism movie
Ranton is this kind of guy I really wann play videogames with. A real trash night, he seems like fun.
I would love to do a video game night with him
As a martial arts practitioner for almost 40 years across various styles, I'd generally agree with most of your scores, except BJJ's effectiveness is limited to one-on-one effectiveness. It's extremely dangerous to end up on the ground in a street fight with multiple attackers.
thank you, this comment might save a lot of youngsters who don't see things in multiple dimensions and assume they're invincible
@@bluebearie7230 unfortunately youngsters listen to popular opinion and not facts
Yes. I used to be a bouncer and MMA fighter(fought pro). I worked bouncing with a BJJ blackbelt who was quite good and maybe a little too confident. He got into a scuffle with some military boys at the bar we worked at. He ended up getting taken down to his back where he reflexively began to work his guard. He managed to secure a triangle and was about to choke the guy out.
Unbeknownst to him but standing over him from behind was another military boy who was holding a glass ash tray (very thick) and about to bash him over the head with it . If I had not been there to see the whole thing and jump in to grab that guy it would have been a very bad night for my BJJ co worker.
BJJ is a great sport/martial art but neither it nor any one "style" should be looked at as the only answer you need for a street fight. In fact the best answer for a street fight is not to be there in the first place. Even if you righteously beat up some bully or something it's never going to end how you thought it would. Where even if you win, you lose in a legal sense with possible criminal charges, lawsuits and jail time. Everyone will be recording you too.
@@joeydoe421 I remember seeing a video a few years ago about a bjj coach who got into a street fight with multiple attackers. The scenario happened the same way as what happened to your friend, one of the guys tried to grab him and the coach got him to the ground and started working from guard, as he was about to triangle the guy one of his buddies comes from behind and kicks him in the head, then more of his buddies jump in and begin to kick the bjj coach until they knocked him out, he had to be taken to the hospital.
All fight ends in the ground in an one-on-one situation, and i doubt the capacity of other martial art on dealing with multiple oponents as well.
As someone who practiced judo and japanese jiu-jitsu I can only say that jiu-jitsu is a lot more complete in terms of real life situations. Essentially, on jiu-jitsu we practiced karate, judo and BJJ all at once and everything is equally important. A fight consists at 3 stages 1) karate 2) judo 3) floor. I can't even emphasize how many competitions I won by simply being good at karate and not allowing my opponent to grab me.
Ya i feel the same. BJJ is lot more well known that traditional jiujitsu. I am a beginner but even though we been train to use our hand and leg and sparing just in my first class. And just like u say it start with hand and leg sparring then may end in the floor sparring
Yes. But the problem is with most (not all) Japanese jujutsu schools is that it kind of a "jack of all trades" however, you are not really good at anything. Yes you're mimicking karate-forms (you could even spar with kyokushin or kick boxing rules), you're doing judo throws... but without the proper methodology, all you're doing is just a hollow shell of the real thing, you copy the form, but have no idea how it should work. At least, that's what I see in most schools: they're proud of the fact that you "can" do karate and judo, but anyone who really does karate or judo can tell you that it's not even close to the real-deal. And the worst part, until you're comforted, you don't even know what you don't know.
I've spent a few years in Kyokushin and currently training judo, to fix all the skill-gaps in my Japanese jujutsu. It was a hard realization however.
BJJ’s ground game and Judo’s throws are way more evolved snd specialized due to decades of specializing in those aspects alone. That’s why you don’t see japanese jujitsu destroying them in their competitions or in MMA/vale tudo
you clearly have no idea what japanese jiu-jitsu is. In my school we had black belt judo teachers and we'd practice only judo with them, we had black belt karate trainers who whould do only karate with us and BJJ expert for ground. That is why my school dominated in ex-Yugoslavia region.
@@pan1k an exception to the rule doesn’t break the rule. Now tell me how many strict jujitsu people are dominating in every competition I mention? How many japanese jujitsu schools even bother to use BJJ?
Judo can really hurt, especially when it's on brutally hard ground. I've trained BJJ for 2.5 years, and I completely agree with your opinions. Combine it with Judo, and you got a powerful tool when transitioning to the ground and the ground itself.
Not matter the art, you learn the vulnerable parts of the human body, and in a fight, that can really change the tides.
Where I train BJJ here in Brazil we practice Judo movements and we do sparring every training, and we always start standing up and throwing Judo moves
I learned BJJ basics just by rolling around with every kid in school who wanted to bully or fight me. I'd invite them to my house we'd go to the back yard and I'd let them try and beat me up. I never got hurt even once because the guard position and using the feet always works on people who've never experienced trying to pass guard. This was not knowing any submissions or proper technique. I just know basic wrestling and how to pull guard. Now, after 9 years of boxing and some Muay Thai I don't think I need BJJ at all except for against someone who knows BJJ or wrestling at a high level. The next martial art I want to learn is judo or Japanese jiu Jitsu
I like how you added aesthetics as a factor. It’s really an overlooked aspect of martial arts. Thanks for the great video
It's not overlooked at all. It's only recently, after the spread of mma, that people woke up and realized most forms are little more than glorified dancing. Combat isn't pretty.
@@showmae8459 that makes the occasional beautifully-executed combination you see in mma all the more special
@@showmae8459 True, I did Kali/Arnis/Eskrima for about five to six years, combat isn't pretty indeed, especially with weapons.
Even though in our gym we used blunt non sharpened training knifes for exercises after a hit to bones or sensitive spots on the body you start to realize that if the weapons was really sharpened and could peirce the skin you would be dead basically and it wouldn't look good afterwards either.
When a Karate fighter is getting curb stomped but at least his technique is ✨aesthetic✨
@@vascocarvalho2451 that’s like saying a painting is worthless because it also could get curb stomped. I do mma and jiujitsu. I can also appreciate a beautiful looking kata from karate. Best self defense? I’m not saying that. Is it pretty? Sure why not. Aesthetics can have value also
Love it and I wanna see a second part of this.
Suggestions for it:
- Muaythai: Similar to kickboxing, but you also add elbows and knees to the combination, and this is crucial during trainings.
- Krav Maga: Used in military, very dangerous and basically has sparring, locks and tackles
- Hapkido: Lots of similarities to karate, but requires diversity compared to stiffness and lots of grapling
- Capoeira: Not very effective in a real life situation, but boy oh boy is it amazing and stunning to see (just like yo mama)
- Sipalki-do: Not very effective in my opinion, but I'd like to see your take on it regarding the posture and techniques.
Even if it's not a review on these martial arts, at least a reaction to them to see your take on them would be something I'm more than eager to watch
I mean he probably haven't tried these at all.
I second what the guy above said. Ranton tried to keep this as fair as possible by only ranking martial arts he had personally practiced. While I do think those artiel arts would be a nice addition, I don't think Ranton feels he's in a position to rank them fairly
krav maga is absolutely useless crap
what he should've added is wrestling looks good 7/10, 10/10 fitness, 10/10 effectiveness
What about silat?
I love the reality-based approach here - it's logic. I spent a total of fifteen years training in several styles - Tae Kwon Do, Hapkido, and Shito-Ryu Karate - and the amount of schools I had to look through before I found any that had a strong focus on bunkai and sparring was freaking crazy. I was very fortunate to have gone to a Tae Kwon Do Dojang when I was very young that had recently opened by way of a Sabumnim that had only just come to the states from South Korea, so the training I got was (fortunately) not Americanized. It formed the basis of what I'd objectively look for in terms of schools in the future - practical technique, applications, body toughening, sparring (non-tournament), etc. When I found a Shito-Ryu dojo some years back (before I blew my knee out and stopped), one of the first questions I asked was "what are your school's thoughts on kumite and how do you train it?" After going to probably a dozen schools near where I live in WA, when I heard "we're very focused on dojo/jyu kumite and bunkai - trying to learn Karate without kumite is like trying to learn to swim without a pool," I was ecstatic - even more so when it turned out to be true.
What's crazy to me is how few Karate dojo spend even a small amount of time on ground game. Obviously it's not going to be to the extent something like BJJ is, but it's a massive gap in training if you don't become at least familiar with how it feels to in that situation. We spent a fair deal of time working ground recovery into our breakfalling and throws, and some light ground tactics to hopefully prevent a situation we can't get out of. Again, not comprehensive, but it's important to understand the game when you're down as well. You've only got a couple seconds if you're lucky at that point, so you have to know how to react as naturally and quickly as possible before you're screwed. We'd all love to be Bruce Lee, hitting some beautiful sen-no-sen timing and just glass-jawing opponents before they hit us, but that's not reality haha.
I love your assessments of these styles here - I agree with a lot of it. Most, in fact. I feel like most styles have some limitations and some areas where they excel, and you really accurately represented the majority of stuff here. The only thing I wanna point out when it comes to BJJ (don't get me wrong - not shitting on it here because it does work in certain situations and it's VERY important to know how to sprawl) is that it's dangerous when you're talking about multiple attackers, which ends up being the majority of real-world fight scenarios. Eight times out of ten, they've got buddies with them, or will come back with more people, and grappling for a good position isn't super effective when their pals are kicking the shit out of you.
Anyway. Sorry for the long-winded response (if you see this), and thanks for the channel. It's awesome to see someone who loves martial arts as well, and super valuable to get insight from someone who's trained for a while too.
Mind that even if you've never sparred, the ability to freely choose the moment you engage or disengage the fight gives a huge advantage. You can be the biggest, strongest guy even with good cardio and highli skilled in BJJ, but it won't help you much if you're against someone even better, and if you're up against a guy with a knife you're dead.
On the other hand, if you have stamina and agility of a Shaolin monk, you can just disengage from the fight and run away, saving your life. Or, if you decide to fight, you can break distance, find something hefty, jump on a balcony or other high ground the guy with a knife is not even able to get on, and throw it on their head.
I think ability to choose at will when you engage or disengage is crucial. Just add the oldschool, brutal Aikido move of come in with albo in the face first if they're standing too close.
Ability to actually fight face to face is only useful when you can't outrun the attacker.
Im not reading that, but your probably right or something.
After practicing martial arts for 33 years (Judo, Kyokushin, Kickboxing, Kung Fu, Muay Thai, Capoeira & BJJ), i noticed that in terms of fitness, Kyokushin & BJJ are by far the hardest styles to learn cos it's very taxing on the body, and it's very effective. The training in Kyokushin was absolutely nuts (when it comes to taking punches, endurance, etc.) and BJJ was very frustrating cos it's very dynamic (there's literally a counter for every move). In my country (The Netherlands), Dutch kickboxing is rooted in Kyokushin (quite probably the reason why Dutch fighters have produced some of the best kickboxers in the world). Sparring is key in every art imho. I think Kung Fu could use waaaaay more sparring (not talking about Sanda, i think it's amazing for kickboxing). But mixing arts (like you said) is the best way, it'll keep you sharp!
Hey I wanted to ask if theres website,app or a RUclips channel to learn kyukushin coz I want to learn it and it would be a great help to me
Heck ya kyokushin for life!
Capoeira is by far the most versatile
@@ENVYYeditu dumb
I'm 24 and a girl.. do you think it's too late for me to start learn martial artist now? 😢 I always love it but never got the chance to learn..
So I started Judo at age 13 in school, so 15 years ago. During all these years, when I told people that Judo is one of the best foundations for actually being able to defend yourself, I got laughed at.
I mean I didn't care, as I knew and know better. Not only theoretically, but also from putting my learned stuff into practice two times by now (as defense that is).
But now! NOW I have a real Shaolin Monk (disciple) actually confirming the very truth about the awesomeness of Judo as foundation for self-defence!
Danke dafür 👍🤣
Also: Depending on your goal, Judo training can be very exhausting. E.g. leg training, flexibility, endless Randori, etc. can really exhaust you. It's hardcore dependent - in Germany at least - in which Verein you are. There are a lot of "non competitive" Vereine, where you only practice throws and techniques, true. But there are also some with competitiveness in mind, going to contests etc. where you have to actually train insanely hard to get any podium position at the end.
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Judo is super legit. Even in MMA. I remember doing MMA sparring against a guy that used to do judo and my face hit the mat before I could even think. Those throws are quick and devastating if you aren't ready or familiar with them.
Versuch mal jmd zu werfen der in die Knie geht👍
People were idiots. Have trained Karate with a fiery passion for 20 years. When people want to self defense I always point them towards Judo... Train Karate for 8 years, you good. Train Judo for 1 year, YEEEEEET
Having practiced Judo for 12 years, I relate to having people scoff at Judo when it comes to effectiveness during a fight. I think most people associate effectivess in fighting to throwing punches, and so they don't value Judo as much in these situations.
About training, I agree: Judo can be extremely exhausting. In my expeience, Randori (sparring in judo) in competitive training is very energy intensive, achieving a similar level as tournament fights in intensity when at a high level. Also, you Usually end up fighting several people each training session (on top of physical exercices), so judo training can be brutal.
is very nostalgic to watch people talking about Judo!
As a Black Belt in Tae Kwon Do, I completely agree with your opinion. I trained traditional Korean TKD for 10 years, taught by a family that has been teaching since the early 1900’s. I completely agree that it is a beautiful looking martial art, it’s incredible hard on the body and great for staying in shape, it’s also great for self defense if you train other martial arts. I myself had to also take BJJ, and a little bit of American boxing before I could consider myself a good “fighter.” However we have to remember that it’s called Martial ARTS, and it’s not always about messing people up, it’s an art form.
is american kickboxing like muay thai/normal kick boxing or is it completely different
There are different versions of TKD however, the one I was taught comes from the Korean military and has worked great when I went into bareknuckle
its all about the athlete, i saw a tkd guy just wiping the floor with wrestlers and kickboxers on street fights, its not about the art but about how the athlete is using it.
@@staskilinkaridis6184 full contact tkd is great in street fights as you can keep opponents at a distance and can see any hidden weapons or friends coming
@@staskilinkaridis6184 Exactly my bro
My stepfather was an instructor of several arts... he learned Judo in Japan and taught in US.., he stated that one main purpose of throwing your enemy is to de-escalate the situation, due to the euphoric feeling due to being thrown and spun upside down. It is true, if you are thrown without intention to injure, the next thing you know, you are looking face up, and you feel totally wonderful like 'wow... that was awesome'
As someone who practices Taekwondo and has taught for almost 20 years at this point, you're not wrong. Self defense training usually doesn't focus on athletic ability, but focuses on practicality. Any good martial art's school should teach practical self defense, but diving in deep into the style you're learning is a whole level that doesn't get spoken about. First off, kicking is hard. Kicking a lot is even harder. Kicking being the only thing you practice is just brutal. Practicing Taekwondo has probably been the best thing I've ever done for myself. I competed, I trained, and I learned discipline. My biggest issue is that Taekwondo being an Olympic sport kind of ruined it.
You don't have people practicing strong and effective kicks anymore, you only have people practicing the best way to score points. Back when I was competing, we just beat each other up and then hoped we had more points. Now we have sensors in our socks, helmets, chest guards, and gloves. As long as you make proper contact with power, you get points and it's displayed in real time on a screen. If you're trying to win at the Olympics, being a better fighter doesn't matter. Only being able to score more points does.
Don't get me wrong though, I still love it. I just have to accept that things have changed. I still teach my students the "old ways" so to speak, but also make sure they're competitive if they want to win at a competition. I still believe to this day that no other martial arts has the same level of dynamic kicks that Taekwondo has. If you really want to learn how to add kicks into your repertoire, go find a good Taekwondo school.
Sin Moo Kwan Hapkido practice more different kicks than my chung do Kwan or kikkowan Tae Kwon do taught. All depends how much TaeKyeon / Shotokon kicks were adopted / embraced into your lineage.
ITF TAEKWONDO IS WAITING FOR YOU
Itf is the real taekwondo 50%punches 50%kicks affective in a street fight wtf is ok for sport
in practice and competition you kick high. in street fights you do quick short kicks low. just because you're in taekwondo doesn't mean you can't use your hands to defend yourself when in a street fight.
I do itf, we still beat each other up when sparring, i couldnt walk properly for about a week
I'm a brown belt Shotokan karate and i can say this:
Sparring with other people with other style will help you to get out of your confort zone and since traditional martial arts are so concern to stay in the comfort zone YOU REALLY NEED to get out of it, it will make you better and more humble
I think that every person from martial arts or combact sports can do hurt,depend for how to train
Man I just started karate 2 days ago and am loving it.
I’ve been doing Okinawan kenpo karate for 4 years and I do boxing bjj Japanese jiujitsu kickboxing and just started krav maga I mix Krav Maga with my jj class it’s insane and I love them all
@@businessdawg2 oh I bet it’s fun sparring is fun i bet
@@thunderkatz4219 since am new am not sparring yet prolly next week sensei will put me to spar
I'm so happy Judo gets so much love from you and I agree that classes on average could be more challenging physically. Interestingly, Judo was actually designed to fit the affordances of a complete physical education system with a martial arts at its base, so that it would be useful as opposed to gymnastics. So there's that...
It's interesting that you both had that experience. In my Judo class as a kid we did a lot of sparring on the ground and that was really exhausting.
I have practiced judo from 8 to 33. I 'm now 42. Depending on your mental, your discipline and efforts the trainings could be really exhausting. When the whole group was composed of adults, we had 45 min running before entering the tatami. And we were making an exercise called "Tate" (meaning shield or whom stand up). One person stay and each judoka, whatever age or weigh had to fight for 1 minute. With between 20 or 30 fighters, it was really exhausting.
My teachers were police officers and instructors in the police so we had many outsiders from police or army in training. It was really challenging
I think the difficulty of training in judo will vary from club to club, and coach to coach.
At my first judo club, training was immensely difficult... every session, the head coach would just flog us to make us work. We would do 30 minutes of high intensity cardiovascular exercise as "warm-ups", then about 10 - 15 minutes of technical work, followed by the rest of the session being randori (free practice, sparring and fighting), both tachi-waza (standing) and ne-waza (ground).
Hard training on a regular basis sounds awesome, but unfortunately, it is not liable or safe in the long-run. If you are practicing "hard" training regularly, you are increasing the risk of sustaining an injury. The risk versus reward becomes too dangerous. This judo club unfortunately received a high number of injuries, particularly in knees and shoulders, because every session was a "hard" session. I remember coming to training one day, and only four people showed up, including myself.
My coach at the time then randomly decided that this day would be great for an unplanned "fitness test". He made us run five kilometers (about 3.1 miles), then when we returned to the club, we had to do a "strength test" of push ups, sit ups, and squats, all AMRAP (as many reps as possible), then he made us do randori for the rest of the session.
At my current judo club, I am one of the coaches (I have been training in judo for nearly 14 years, and coaching for about five years or so, receiving my black belt this year). We periodize our training across four weeks... for example, in Week 1, it's "easy mode", with less exercise/work, more technique and learning... in Week 2, the difficulty goes up (more work/exercise, less learning), in Week 3, the difficulty further goes up, where as in Week 4, the difficulty will peak, having a lot of judo-related intensive exercise, and little technical learning. In Week 5, it essentially becomes the new Week 1, reverting back to "easy" work.
This approach works for consistent judoka (judo practitioners) and it will minimize the risk of injury. However, in saying that, judoka who are not consistent with their training may find this approach difficult... especially if they do no judo for a few weeks, then arrive on a "hard week".
People need to understand the difference between training "hard" and training "smart". Training smart over training hard is essentially a quality over quantity approach.
@@Disc0spider Yup, there are a lot of people who think all out all the time is the best way, but doing that tends to be self-limiting in that you get injured and then can't work-out or train technique for a while, so your progress gets halted, as well as your fitness level. Meanwhile, you drive students away by having unrealistic standards. I full support training hard, but fitness is actually a complex word. Are you fit if you're injured? Fit for what? Certainly not for fighting particularly well and not even for exercising safely. In fact training when injured can even lead to bad habits, as you try to compensate for your limits, as well as to further and perhaps even worse injury. Training intelligently is better than just having one speed, all-out.
@@dingfeldersmurfalot4560 - Yes, you are absolutely right. If you get injured at training, then that is going to halt your progress in training, meaning it will take longer for you to achieve your goal(s). On top of that, if you continue to train while carrying an injury, you are going to make the injury much worse, which means the path to recovery is also going to be a longer and more difficult one.
Finally, if you are injured from martial arts (like judo, BJJ or whatever), it is going to debilitate your life! You might need to take time away from work, you might need to spend money on things like physiotherapy, surgery etc. and these things could affect you later on in life, as well.
That's why, in my opinion, martial arts clubs, instructors and coaches, all must maintain a strict duty of care. Yes, it is amazing to have talented athletes and martial artists who are disciplined, work hard, and achieve great results, but their health and safety should come first... you don't want a 20 year old athlete to win gold medals, but only to get seriously injured by age 21 which could potentially affect them negatively for the rest of their lives. Their longevity is so important.
Hard training can be good, and does have a place in martial arts clubs, especially when you have athletes who want to compete at a particular competition. You need preparedness and readiness. You need a plan, a balanced, periodized structure, and you should be assisting athletes outside of judo as well such as nutrition, other physical training, recovery, psychology, and if you can't do that, that's okay, but at least point them in the right direction.
You can't just make every session a hard, intense session because you will not only increase the risk of injury for everyone on the mat (thus jeopardizing everyone's safety) but you will drive away those are not as competitive, athletic etc. and they are important to your club as well, they're members, they are people who are valid.
I can't stand instructors/coaches who try to pride themselves on being "tough" coaches who run "hard" training sessions. It seems like serious over compensation, over compensation for their own lack of success in their martial arts careers, and/or life in general. In my opinion, these kind of coaches are the most dangerous to learn from, and I obviously don't mean "dangerous" in a good way.
I practiced Kempo for more than 20 years and loved watching this! It's cool to listen to someone talking about the different styles and how useful/colorful they are since Kempo is a mix of a bunch of martial arts.
Hey there Kempo brother! USSD former student here. I loved it and plan on getting back in it soon. (health/economic) probs. Where did you train?
@@MattCantu76 I trained in a small dojo in CT under Academy of Kempo. My master later left AOK and made his own studios while still teaching the ways of kempo. I learned so much from him and the art. I wouldn't be who I am today without it.
As someone who's been training in Taekwondo for 5 years I completely agree with you on most things such as kicks not being all that effective in a real fight which I why I also like to integrate some boxing into my training to improve in that aspect of combat. Kicks are only effective if you are also able to distance your opponent and fight hand to hand when necessary. The one thing you didn't really mention though is the effectiveness of the self defense aspect. A large part of my class is how to block all sorts of attacks properly and we practice this through sparring and solo training. Also not sure how common this is but my class focuses a lot and countering people grabbing you in multiple positions like wrists, head, shirt and bear hug which if can right I can image could be pretty effective irl.
Shame that you never got to experience how hardcore Judo training can be. My trainer alwas liked to put us through the meatgrinder in warmup so we couldnt rely on strength and then didnt let us leave until each of us had done 500 throws.
Sounds like fun
Lmao facts
Totally agree. After 500 uchi-komi u are dead...
I'm a judo and bjj guy judo is way harder because you need to Learn to wrestle to throw and to fight on the ground we do alote of newaza at my gym. Ose
@@_aquila21_nb_3 I know i threw up 😂
I was practicing judo for 8 years when I was younger and I have say, that it was actually really straining. At least our sessions were all around, not just practicing one technique, but also work out, matches and also some lessons were directly targeted to practice fights on the ground. So the experience from the martial arts lessons may vary and it depends on the coaches.
I agree. The fact that it's a sport means that there's always going to be some amount of conditioning that isn't always present in more traditional martial arts. I was always exhausted after a judo training session. I am surprised he ranked it's effectiveness as a 10 though, I suspected it would be 8+ but I suppose in self defense the situations lend themselves to judo more than in MMA.
judo can be very tiering for sure expecially when the whole session is just randori and both you and your opponent are very exhausted. Plus theres also the sparring on the ground which is somewhat similar to bjj/ mma
Randori sessions are as intense as bjj rolls..
I found Judo classes really tiring when I did them as a kid. And then Karate too. But when I started Gong Fu, I knew what death was. I guess it was because in addition to normal training there were sequences of low stances drilled, drills for sitting in mabu for long period of time, frog jumps, snake jumps (jumping around in a 1inch push up position) and lots of crunches, pushups and other physical training.. It was death. But so great. Wish I could be that fit again.
I'd say that it all depends on what are you doing during the training session.
Practicing moves - not exhausting at all.
Sparring: heavily depends on your partner. Go against someone much weaker and you won't break a sweat. Go against someone much stronger and you might not be able to do anything against them except for stalling, which is again - not very exhausting. But if you have a partner who is just right then every sparring session, especially the ground ones become an absolute blast with both opponents going all out.
What should be mentioned about judo is that it's imo almost completely safe to practice. I practiced judo for 7 years when I was in school and I never had a single injury from judo itself.
You're not the worst person ever. I did Wing Chun for years and my Sifu would tell you, it's good for some self defence with the intent to escape but in a real fight only some principals apply. So even though I would personally put it in B teir, as a Wing Chun guy I respect your thoughts and opinions.
And thank you for confirming that Kick boxing is what I want to do next. Since Pandemic I've been looking for a new style and I had it down to Kickboxing and Karate main goal Fitness. So thank you for this list.
In Taekwondo we also practice close situations a lot, including "forbidden" techniques, even though it is not part of the competition. I like your assessments and that you look it from different perspectives.
I've done a bit of taekwondo but never heard of any forbidden techniques. At most we do some punching and pushing to make distance so that we can land some kicks.
@@packwarden i guess what you learn depends more on your instructor
@@kampkriegeryeah probably, at my dojo they focus more on the sport, but the instructor also teaches us how to actually trow strong and practical kicks. He also always tells us to go for power not only for speed.
As a Brazilian, BJJ never disappoints me. It's reasonable that one of the most violent countries you could find yourself into would develop one of the most effective martial arts, and although it's not pretty, it's what I would go to if I was going for self defense. Shout out to Capoeira though, that one has a *history.*
Original founders of bjj learned from Japanese judo masters. They took parts and adapted it more than developed it. Gracie himself said he wouldn't use bjj in the street.
@@user-ed9qc4fp5b Its obvious why you wouldn't use it in a street fight, and why it isn't actually amazing for self defense, simply because if you change one variable its almost useless. How many you are fighting, if you are doing a 1v1, BJJ is amazing, but even in a 1v2 scenario you are almost completely fucked, the moment you start rolling around you will get your head kicked in.
This is why even Navy Seal, BJJ practitioner and professional badass Jocko Willink says not to do it in a street fight.
@@dislikereporter2271 Useless you say? Lets see how you fare 1v1 a black belt or a brown belt. Lets see how useless you can make it be. hahahaha
@@GordaoSemFuturo Nigga I said 1v1 its amazing, wtf are you talking about? The only reason it isn't good in a street fight is because it cant handle multiple people, let me bring 2 of me buddies and we'll clown a bjj blackbelt, even with no fighting experience.
Absolutely.
I believe that ancient Kung Fu(now lost), should have rightly been the greatest branch of martial arts in the whole world for the exact same reason. China was always a group of warring states since dates in B.C.. Kung fu was well and alive then and rough estimate of total deaths(soldiers in battle) is around 15-20 million.
That and well, Society wasn't as understanding or forgiving as it is today.
Probably the only division of martial arts that will ever have a body count that high.
No impractical showy martial art would have survived times like these. One can only imagine what these martial arts would have looked like at their peak, every death caused and every surviving practitioner refining it for the next.
It's a shame that all of it is lost to history and will never see the light of day again.
My older sister took TKD for 7 years until she made it to a black belt. When she needed the skills most, she found that the weight of her sneakers messed with her muscle memory on the kicks. She just started carrying pepper spray after that.
😂
Reason why even kickboxers claim that boxing is better for real fight.
@@modernnerd7600 Took both and I would never recommend boxing as a first real martial art. The mentally they teach their students is way too overcompensational which you can notice with all professional boxers (the cockiness is synonymous with the sport because of it). It’s just way to warmongery especially if you've been bullied for most of your adolescence. People who usually pick this as their first martial art always end up as the ones who look for trouble because of cocky they get.
For striking, Muay Thai, which is Thai kickboxing, gives you the advantage of learning ALL forms of striking and not just with your hands. That covers fists, knees, elbows, and feet. You get the best of both worlds all without picking up the dangerous overconfidence you get from learning western boxing.
@Gray baggy or stretchy jeans are our friend, but joggers, track pants or any sports bottom in general are our bffs lol
@Gray to be fair if you miss a kick and they grab your leg it’s game over 😔
Great break down! Rule of thumb , any art you enjoy training in, have fun! Keep doing it!
If you are only worried about self defense, you really can’t get away with learning only one martial art. You got to practice a good stand up style, and a good ground style at the very least.
Judo training can be brutal. It really depends on the culture of your dojo and of course on your own personal goals, but growing up, my experience was that it was highly aerobic and strenuous as we would drill uchikomi in circuits and finish training with sparring standing up and on the ground.
The more I passively pick up snippets from watching this sort of content, the more I realise how lucky I was growing up that the local Judo club I joined was run by people who learned it in the 60s. A 2 hour class was 15 minutes of warm-up and conditioning, 45 of stand up work, 45 minutes of ground work theory and application, and 15 minutes of free play. That last 15 minutes was mixed, and you went as hard or light as your partner, idea being to use up whatever you had left in the tank. It seems like a lot of clubs have abandoned the groundwork.
I've trained Muay Thai and BJJ, I'd chose BJJ as the best because I felt like I had such a massive advantage against a normal person without training, and just after two or three months.
Whereas with Muay Thai my first months didn't feel that way, someone bigger than I randomly swinging was still a big threat..
Would you rank Kickboxing and Muay Thai on the same category or do you think they are completely different martial arts?
I agree, as someone who did judo, Bjj, boxing, wrestling, and muay Thai for a combined 10 yeara, and by far the best for me has been judo closely followed dy bjj.
Muay Thai and boxing both make you feel like a beast, but as soon as you spar with somkne you realize that even after months of training, you could get knocked out by a random punch and probably don't know what to do when they grab you.
Now wrestling is good, but it puts you into very risky positions because it requires you to get really close to your opponent, and most people are not naked so you miss out on practicing holds.
Now judo and Bjj are both amazing. For self defence I'd say that you should do both at the same time and try shit from one on the other to see if they would actually work in all ocations. Like a takedown might work in judo, but ends with you in a headlock in bjj, and try out techniques from bjj with people who are not willing to go down like bjj guys are.
Overall I think judo is more effective because even though its true thst a lot of fights end on the floor, all start standing. And if your able to get somkne on the ground while your still upright, the fight is as good as done, while bjj requires you to already be on the ground for most of the time.
But with just the basics of bjj and judo you could win against most peope after a few months of practice. While with boxing etc you could still be fucked up randomly after a year of practice
@@shemshem9998 This makes me wanna try Judo. Such little training time needed to be able to beat someone who doesn’t know fighting. Sounds so efficient.
I find BJJ way more exhausting than Muay Thai too lol
@@zyrkugilgamesh clinch adds a whole new element, as well as the addition of knees and elbows
Bro loving the martial arts related videos✌🏻
I'd been thinking about taking up a martial art. This was helpful & confirmed my choice. Thanks.
I really love your takes on the "effectiveness". A street fight isn't fair, it's really messy and chaotic and all these fancy techniques you learn in most martial arts will lead you to get your butt whooped AND laughed at, it is really limited as to how many martial arts have any real world effectiveness. Krav maga, thai boxing, kickboxing, boxing and judo can teach some good techniques, but when you're fighting against an angry drunk roid-raged guy everything goes out the window and it usually boils down to "who punches first and hardest".
Personally I don't want to fight. I've done a few years of tai chi chuan and taekwondo but would never use it. If I can't talk myself out of a fight I'm gonna kick you in the shins or nuts, poke you in the eyes or throat and then I'm gonna leg it. There's no honor to win in street fights and you never know if they carry a weapon. Better to live another day than die over a spilt beer or some imaginary slight.
I did Karate, TaeKwonDo, Judo and Boxing but the best one I learnt was Ninjutsu, that was the only Martial Art, rather Survival Art that teaches you how to fight dirty, anything and everything goes when your fighting for your life, completely changed my way of thinking when it comes to fighting, dirty fighting is a part of fighting. I got extremely lucky with a genuine teacher. He said to use what is most effective, whatever it is. And I have to say, he was spot on. Real fighting is ugly, like my face in the morning before I pretty up n' all that.
Best technique in a street fight is running away. So better do your cardio. 😂
@@user7516 That brings me onto my Sensei's secret unbeatable technique which I will share again... It requires 3 things: Strong legs, strong heart and a strong mind. If you are surrounded, pass your jacket to your friend or girlfriend, then gather up ALL your chi energy and scream at the top of your lungs "run for your lives" and give it legs, your jacket will also slow your friend or girlfriend down so they will be caught whilst you run away. Highly honourable technique. ( ͡≖ ͜ʖ ͡≖)👌
if it can't be used in a street fight, ur simply not good enough at it. But i agree with the rest
@@user-ky5ev6sk1q i mean... I guess? But I dunno how many street fights I'm gonna get into when I'm 84 and have finally mastered Tai chi
About Wing Chun, I do agree. I've been doing Wing Chun for 6 years, 5 days a week, and 2 of them were in a very traditional school that wouldn't let us spar. Then I switched schools and this school had a lot of sparring and even invited other martial artists wich is great. They told me, traditional won't work in a real fight and chain punches, you might get done 3 to 4 punches. They modernized wing chun but still kept the concept of it. They included more fitness and last week I had my test for my first master rank and passed! Loved the critique, honest and tough love!!
Wing chun is great when mixed with other martial arts. And by great I mean superb. You learn karate or muay thai and you have a nasty wing chung combo to break anyone's fighting spirit. Being dominated in a single martial art is tough but sometimes there is room to breathe and think about how to get around their style, you cover that breathing room with close combat wingchun rapid fire volley. Watch them tank all the hits completely stunned at the switch up and then go for the KO kick or punch to the face. Priceless. Beautiful.
@@markevans1618 I agree, although I hope there isn't any blood shed. I faint from the sight of blood* and wouldn't want to miss that KO.
Weakling
@@MrChubbiful most likely there is during the KO afterwards so you might be able to see it. You can land 5-6 hits in a second with the knuckles or palms. Its like a shotgun blast and its devastating if your opponent isnt ready for such an attack. However its so quick you wont even see blood until after the KO so you'll get lucky to witness it before you pass out lol
@@markevans1618 Those are some powerful words. Nicely written as well
Mad respect for your reapect of Judo.
In Judo in our later classes (did about 9 years), we did a lot of randoris, both beginning standing and on the ground. The ground stuff is taxing, much like BJJ and wrestling.
Tournaments always had a strong ground component in my weight class (heavy to open-ended)
Judo with special training to dodge or block punches or other "illegal" moves would make it quite versatile.
The arm lever techniques are very useful, but Aikido's Hand stuff always had me envious because it works so well standing up.
The strangling moves are 50/50, because many count on wearing some sort of Judo garb or involve literally asking to get punched in the nuts, but then there is Hadaka Jime and the like, and one of those will outright end a fight in seconds. (be careful, they can also end a person in around a minute, and a manslaughter charge is no small potatoes)
The osaekomi waza , the mat holds (by the books) are worthless in a fight, because they are designed to theoretically pin an opponent for X seconds in a tournament and they can't punch you or fight dirty. You will get bitten or your eyes gouged or worse.
The stuff that you train every day to get someone into these controlled holds or to switch between them, however, is a really valuable survival skill because it involves controlling the movements of your opponent on the ground.
I used Judo in maybe 2 or 3 real life fights (like, in the wild, not counting tournaments), and I won relatively safely with a throw - foot or hip technique - and had to go into ground fight once and got the other asshole to submit (I should have avoided all of these fights go begin with, now that I'm older I get that).
In my only other real fight, I got punched into a store window with a straight hit to my temple before the fight even began, and no amount of Judo could have won me that fight once I fell to the ground.
I'm glad I got out of that one alive.
I'm no expert but what I loved about Judo was that even at orange belt level if you are good at the techniques it is enough to really help you defend yourself in a street fight....with many other systems one would need to be a much higher level to be competent. I am now older and after some time doing Wing Chun I am doing Japanese Jujitsu and really like it. But, in saying that I don't think it would teach you to fight as quickly as Judo, wrestling or boxing does. Thygrrr, that last situation you mentioned sounded like a King Hit....what we here in Australia call a Coward Punch.
Osaekomi is worthless for real fights? Are you serious? Osaekomi stands for ground-and-pound. Since striking is not allowed in competition, you only do the "ground" part without the "pounding". In a real fight, you are supposed to add the pounding.
Even without the pounding, there are cases where you may want to just hold down the dude. Maybe you don't want to hurt him ( a friend?) and you wait until he gets to his senses, or maybe you need to wait for the police without letting the dude go.
I did Taekwondo for years and yes, it was exhausting but didn't gave you basic principles like a good guard and good head movement... Learned how to kick tho.
Now I'm training Muay Thai with the brazillian national champ and dude it's amazing as an MARTIAL art, you spar a lot and learn how to properly fight someone.
In a few years I plan to learn some Aikido too.
People should not stick to one thing and only, life is kinda short and if you really love martial art you should learn a lot of stuff with an open mind.
One thing I would also have to consider is physical capability ( cough cough age) to actually begin training in a specific art. Us old guys aren't going to have the flexibility to perform certain moves, the resilience not to get hurt or maybe just don't want to get hit/kicked in the head anymore. That said, rankings spot on. Thanks
That's a good point. Approaching 60 and wishing to see at least 80 I have taken to a bit of running ( I came186/210 in my first local park run and am very proud not withstanding that the 24 behind me mostly had less limbs than I do)
Yes Martial arts for more senior genlemen who might have to train to touch their toes would be a vid I would watch.
considering judo teaches you how to fall without breaking your old ass bones, and how to not fall, judo is probably the king of geriatric martial arts
Age factor falls into the goals, because the goals you have when taking a martial art, and the scenarios in which these arts were designed, define how effective they will be for you. You can be the best BJJ fighter and consider it an essential and effective art, but it will not be effective at all in competitions where ground fighting is not allowed.
Every martial art has a use for something, be it to improve health, flexibility, for competitions, for standing combat, for combat on the ground, for combat with weapons, for close combat, for combat with gloves or without. them etc etc. *There is NO martial art that works for everything*
What you should do is look for the arts that fit your own goals and focus on them. Human's time and energy are limited
@@richardb22 its called owning a gun.
I just wanna share that I did 3 years of japanese jiu jitsu (mix of judo, aikido, karate and self defense) and lots of black belts were like 60+. The sport requires lots of flexibility, but does so in a medically safe way for your wrists etc. I would have never expected to see some granny do those climb ontop of you and then throw you type takedowns before seing it weekly though. That being said im pretty sure they started before getting old, and some of the older folks with chronic injuries definitely were restricted.
The good thing about kickboxing is, that you can learn the basic moves pretty easily, compared to many martial arts. Its not pretty, but its effective. Being 6.1 feet tall, I also can focus on range, what works best for me. The only bad thing is if you have to "walk" home after getting a hard lowkick during the training.😅
great video thanks man!
I did Taekwondo for 4 years when I was 9-12 years old. It's hard for me to remember everything from it, but what I do remember is we practiced a lot of kick as usual, practiced landing multiple kicks on target by breaking boards, and we actually spared. Though I think like many other comments have pointed out. The sparring nowadays is mainly just traing you on how to get the most points in competitive Taekwondo tournaments. Which really sucks because even though my class was a group of kids we grew up in a military base so every kid in there was a military kid. The instructor was a former army vet and actually wanted us to spar. Kicks were all that we threw at each other but still some kick would knock the wind out of you. Even with padding kick to your ribs hurt when they connect.
When we first enrolled my oldest son in TeaKwonDo I also thought that it was nothing but kicking but I did find that they did teach ground fighting, punches, and weapons. My oldest daughter sat and watched one of my son's classes, came home, and showed me that she had learned how to take someone down with a broom handle... I was on the ground in a very short period of time and shocked. :) My son also learned a ton of discipline from this specific martial art that he didn't have previous to taking this, started when he was 12. He wound up "working" for his instructor (from age 16 to 18) which was good and bad. He never got paid (did this for over 3 years) and in the end we wound up leaving because after I paid for him to have CPR classes, paid $300.00 for his 3rd degree black belt, and instructors uniform his instructor wouldn't give him a discount on the testing and he decided to leave (his instructor was in his 30s and was a 6 degree black belt). I also didn't get my money back for the uniform or belt and my son got neither. So I love the martial art but it has left a bad taste in my mouth in the way that some instructors run their business.
The testing system is my biggest complaint about TKD. It's SO expensive, for no real good reason. It definitely feels like it's set up to make you keep spending money on the next test. Very few martial arts test/promote with the intensity that TKD does.
That's pretty nuts mate. Sorry for the bad experience.
@@craigkellberg6917 Very few are as commercialized.
Yeah I never payed for a tkd test (I helped teach and clean the school I couldn't afford to pay) and I think they were like 20 dollars when I did I hate when schools run up prices like that I'm glad he was teaching the full martial art of taekwondo nowadays to many guys are focused on just the Olympic competition really kills the rest of the art with has so many components that just don't get covered anymore if it makes ya feel better some of us tkd guys are still trying to do it right
I feel like Rantons lack of personal insight and experience with taekwondo really showed itself.
Taekwondo is so much more than what he described in the video and i feel if he had some degree of personal experience with taekwondo his analysis would be much different and he would have placed taekwondo higher.
Judoka for over 10 years here, I just want to add that your exhaustion varies a lot depending on what you train for. I've had training sessions where I didn't even start to sweat cause we only learned new techniques for the belt grades (especially learning ground techniques like different chokes is not exhausting at all). But at other times we trained for competitions and thats always really really exhausting. Cause it's just fighting fighting fighting, on your feet and on the ground with variing partners (and not everyone in your training group is in the same weight class - fighting on the ground against someone 20 kg heavier than you is just something else).
What I want to say: of you practice for competitions Judo is way more exhausting than for example Kung fu (which I've been practicing as well for 6 years now).
But just being exhausted by something doesn't mean it's the Best thing for your fitness. Sure, my endurance was being trained more with Judo. But Kung Fu trains a broader range of things, like flexibility, balance and other muscels you don't really need in Judo. So I guess overall I'm finde with you putting Kung Fu higher up on the fitness scale than Judo 😂
So weak
I think that the person that do combact sports or martial arts can do hurt,depend of how to train
Your style of kung fu is not the same style that he practiced, your telling him that you sweat a lot more in competitions?
Kung fu or at least Kuo shu/traditional/shaolin its way more intense because of its old ways, i dont know about modern or wu shu, but its definitely not the same
I took judo for 2 years as a teenager, my teacher was originally from cuba he escaped back home were im from in Puerto Rico during the 1979 panamerican games abd he use to give us what he called comunist training, he told us thats how he was trained in Cuba , I threw uo many times in class passed out twice, it was brutal, at the same time i was studying tae kwon do, in 87 i moved to L.A and made friends with 2 brothers from Hong Kong who tought me win chung and the i went to study with some other friends jkd , i worked as a bouncer and bodyguard for 20 years and everything i studied heloed at one time or another , i had a backgroun in tae kwo do, judo, Greco-Roman wrestling , Boxing, Win Chun and Jet Kun Do, plus i was a pro wrestler at one time yes its staged but the holds applied with force and intention will hurt or brake something, I used the Cobra Clutch a few times to put guys to sleep in the night clubs, something that I learned from jkd was adapting use what you know depending on the situation, at close range Win Chun helped if the crowd was to big, at distance Boxing and Tae Kwon Do, on the ground Judo and Wrestling it all depends on what the situation is! I like to learn Shaolin Kung Fu but I'm to old now and don't have full use of the right side of my body do to a stroke but I still love martial arts, my mifke son did Tae Kwo Do and Hapkido for years my youngest does BJJ and Judo , he also did Okinawan and Kempo Karate, Aikido and Shinkendo, Free Style Greco-Roman abd pro wrestling he could had gone to WWE! Hahahahaha
He almost got a try out at 17 he was 6'5" 300 lbs and competing in power lifting while still doing Martial Arts, now it's my gransons turn at 9 yrs old his showing interest in the Arts.
@roberto acevedo cobra clutch!! Hahaha classic 🤣 what about the Iron Sheiks version...the Camel Clutch? 🐫
I agree with your criteria, and most of grading and ranking is spot on. Your approach is more open minded then "fanboy ism" like many. This from basically a street fighter who never cared much for, or was hyped, by any specific MA, just bits and pieces from them...thx for the vid.
Love the list.
Love the video and presentation.
Slightly bummed you left out Shu Nan Ju. (Remo Williams the Adventure Begins)
Wing Chun for over 12 years. Everything he said about it is on point. Looks cool but not so affective in sticky situations. That's why I also picked up "jeet kune do", Bruce Lee's martial art. It incorporates wing chun basics but gives you more flexibility to move around and be free
Yeah, Foshan was a city with much very tight streets. That's where Wing Chun can be the best, because every move can be done in front of you or on your back, not so much at the sides
Jeet Kune Do is hilarious to me. Bruce Lee wanted you to experiment with everything and take what works for you, to not be stuck in a specific form and "be like water". He was basically the pioneer of MMA decades before vale tudo and others stopped their dogmatic teaching and instead started looking for what works. And after Lee passed, his JKD legacy was a rigid set of techniques that made it into yet another "kung fu" style. *facepalm*
@@Isnogood12 Everyone looks the Jeet Kune Do like it is another martial art. It is, but what Bruce Lee have taught to us is: follow what you are, experiment with every martial art, take what you think could work and leave what is useless. MMA now is again a JKD: a simple martial art. The research is for everyone and every new martial art works only on who has created it. It's a lie saying the MMA suits everyone
@@Isnogood12 what's more hilarious is that old wing chun teaching also teaches to analyze ur opponents techniques to figure out how to defend against witch often leads to you picking up ur opponents techniques.
The take on wc defense is rigth bc wc doest block but deviate strikes (you litterally have the boxing blocks in wc but you deviate the punch when it hits you giving you an opportunity (boxers do the same) for punching wing chun is scientificly safer and more precise while having the same power behind it.
Wc is in an horrible state but anyone with basic understanding of martial arts would recognize how smart it is designed.
@@Isnogood12 Hey, at least they tend to actually sparr.
I've found Muay Thai to be very useful for standup, the kicks (especially low kicks) and knees clinching is great too, give regular boxers a lot of trouble.
Better than taekwondo and Kung fu
@@Testosteroneisnaturaltrump2024 The kicks themselves aren't necessarily better in MuayThai than in Taekwondo, it's just that in TKD you don't spar and fight for damage like you would do in muaythai. If TKD had actual sparring and more punching, the kicks would come in handy. Lots of UFC legends like Anderson Silva use TKD kicking. Muaythai just has better training for actual fighting. TKD is stupid point fighting, like some big karate organisations (not kyokushin)
@@maxk880 I never said the kicks where better. But the art is
@@maxk880 In a vacuum, TKD's kicks are great, in practice, most won't land or can be turned against the user. Unless they combine it with more arts, TKD users don't know how to fight against anything other than TKD, have no conditioning on their legs and can't block at all...
@@maxk880 Kyokushin is no better. No punches to the face. Watch some Kyokushin matches on RUclips it's ridiculous.
Good work Ranton!
I've been training wing chun for 5 years now, and I agree on most of your points. Although I have to say the effectiveness really depends on how good is the fighting school you train in. The further we go to the west the less legit it becomes. Fortunately I have the opportunity to learn from a master who has an almost direct link to Ip Man, and the knowledge came pretty handy. I was able to protect myself.
So is he wrong about Wing Chun not doing good in a fight of self defense?
@@xposed7200 Wing chun is great, if you actually learn wing chun and not some bullshit under the same name. If you live in a western country, you better of learning smth like muai tai, kickbox etc. Boxing is good too and it has a great culture in the usa.
@@xposed7200 I forgot to write it, but also wing chun is all abt close range. Close kicks, knees, elbowing, and generating force in your punches in short range. Where they can grab you. If you make one mistake and get to the ground, there is little thing you can do, if you only learn wing chun.
I did Judo for about 10 years and we had pretty rough trainings since I was part of the competetive team (almost as exhausting as my Muay Thai classes now). Our gym's hobby classes though are really much more chill and not nearly as exhausting.
Further, I had one altercation "in the streets" so far. Ended pretty quick. He tried to punch me, I closed the gap, threw him and choked him out. I can really recommend Judo.
Really cool and fun tierlist, good job man!
How much training does it take to be able to take someone out with Judo? How long would I need to train?
@@Ropewatch not long because we have most of the submissions that bjj have, bjj come from judo look it up you do some basic easy throws and if that doesn't work well
You can go to the ground, the ground game is not refined like bjj but it's enough for the streets trus me I used to be a security guard I just I alote.
@@Ropewatch I'm not remotely trained in martial arts, but I do wonder if this if a 'how often' instead of 'how long' kind of question.
@@Ropewatch Hard question. How often do you train? How often do you do sparring? Are you able to pull your drills off under pressure? Lots of factors. Also I think your gym will also play an important role.
But if you train regularly for a couple months to a year you would definetly have the upper hand on somebody who is not trained.
I never recommend fighting in the streets though. Try to avoid it as best as possible!!!
@@Ropewatch If you want to defend youself and don't care about the foe, you can learn some kata techniques in a few months. If you want proper control of the battle, years. I consider you know Judo when you reach black belt.
The beautiful thing about Judo is that when you master a technique, you use it instintively when is needed, your body needs no thinking to execute it. ^^
As a judo black belt and as someone whos been practicing jiu-jitsu for a while now, this does bring a smile to my face.
I was a tuidi practitioner (traditional okinawan karate) and it saved my life in the streets more than once. Also, a lot of tae kwon do practitioners or boxers also came to the dojo to test their mettle... It seems they enjoy a free ambulance ride. Besides that aggression in combat, we where a lovely bunch.
I love your videos man ... I just have one comment about Judo. I practiced it for several years and it does indeed include a lot of ground techniques ranging from submission to choking and even bone-breaking. So I guess all the techniques in Ikido exist in Judo.
Now, regarding the fitness part, I don't know how your training sessions went, so I will talk about my personal experience. My training session would consist of two parts: the first part is pure fitness (running, pushups, situps, and whatnot); the second part would consist of three parts itself -- utchikomi (practicing the throw without throwing your opponent), nagekomi (practicing the throw by actually throwing your opponent), and finally shiai (a real fight with an opponent). So suffice to say that after two hours of that I would come out breathless.
I'm 14 and I haven't done martial arts before but I'm thinking of starting Judo. Would you recommend it?
I'm really glad kickboxing is that good in your view. I've been training sanda/sanshou (Chinese kickboxing) for 5/6 years and it's by far the best thing I've done in my life. Not only do we practice our striking but we also learn takedowns and other wrestling techniques
Personally I've done karate (14 years), wing Chun (6 years) and kickboxing (4 years), i agree with pretty much everything you said. Wing Chun is my absolute favorite, but the "traditional" martial art isn't very useful in real fights. I'm very glad my teacher knows that tho and we kinda separate the training in two parts: one part where we honor the traditions and learn the old school wing Chun, and the other part being what we can actually use in real situations and actually take things from other martial arts to a point where it looks very different from traditional wing Chun (in example no bullshit stances etc.).
Same here. Where do you study? I am part of the WTKFI. Before that I was in the EWTO, but they didn't push the "real fight" situations that much.
There’s no such thing as ineffective traditional wing chun. Sparring has been apart of training in wing chun since it’s inception as a martial art. Also the stances are meant to be transitionary and usually meant for exercise, they were never intended for actual fighting.
I practiced Hung Gar for many years. The work outs were brutal but the rewards in terms of strength, agility, flexibility were great. We spared without padding and we got hurt but knew how to survive. Form training was fun and weapons forms were like moving with weights at the end of your arms. I have been fortunate to stay out of street trouble by using the 'attitude', ie, confidence, self power mixed with calmness. Maybe I was just lucky. Kung Fu has been the best part of my life for almost 30 years.
Cool video! I’d love to see you and Capoeira. As far as conditioning goes, I think it’s up there with Charlene kung fu
Your perspective on Taekwondo is actually quite good speaking as someone who had been doing it for quite a while and also trained for competitive purpose. Although I've left it for already 6/7years already. Great vid Ranton keep it up👍🏻👌🏻💯
I'm only 23 seconds in and I'm already laughing. Ranton I genuinely think you have the best humour on the internet and the editing enhances it drastically. Fucking amazing stuff man I just wish you were able to upload more!!
Dedication to every single video is his key to success. It’s quality over quantity. I would love to see more video of his, but I wouldn’t ask for more uploads cus I know how much work goes into these masterpieces. 🎉
Thanks man, i'm gonna start judo and kick boxing for exercie and self defense
Cool video man!!I´m glad you ranked 3 martial arts that I'm practicing: Judo, aikido and karate.I agree that judo is effective because we are sparring all the time and learn
to take the opponents balance in order to throw.Aikido helps me with more balance and the ability to throws without depending on a GI. With karate I finally learned to punch and kick, so I will make sure I'll never fight again!!! LOL
I really appreciate you having actual rankings of effectiveness beyond "but it wouldn't work in MMA hur dur"
Edit: also nice to hear someone acknowledge that Kung fu is not a monolith. I have practiced a couple forms of Kung fu in the past couple years and they could not be more different from each other. The one I'm doing now even encourages sparring
The amount of people I hear in the MMA world say "Kung fu sucks" is kind boggling because Kung fu literally means mixed martial arts in Chinese. It is not a specific form or style. Sanda and Shaolin have proven very well in One championship and Chinese fighters are starting to go abroad more and more often. Unfortunately the only Chinese martial arts most people in the US see is the videos of fake masters getting their shit kicked in.
@@Gongolongo yeah that one MMA fighter decided to expose all those CCP-funded fake Tai Chi "masters" to mock propaganda and a bunch of chuds on the internet thought his point was "eatern martial arts are useless."
I trained in Kung Fu on the east coast, we trained in Hau Quan Shaolin Kung Fu, and it was always full contact, we trained with other schools sometimes in the area, always seemed common in the NYC-Boston region that everyone did full contact, no shin guard, no helmet sparring. My first day, I went home with both my shins bleeding from welts. As for the big flashy stuff, there was always the extreme version only meant for forms, than the teacher would break down the practical simple version that you could apply to a street fight, than you would practice that version in full contact sparring.
As a taekwondo student, it is EXHAUSTING, and I mean it, one of the more vivid memories I have when starting where the muscalar aches I had during the first month, like, I could barely move, you eventually get there but it's hard and as a side note, one of the first thing you are taught in taekwondo, in rewards to combat, is how to create space if needed but you are also taught how to figth on close distances, I mean boxing and some palm and hand strikes to the body, neck, and head, also, we are taugh how to use our elbows but that's a bit more complicated
BGG - Boardgame Geek - incredibly effective.
I have started to appreciate all forms of martial arts. I have always remained classical though and have always done boxing. The simplicity and yet all the complexities of boxing has kept me coming back. I used to hate wrestling, bjj, judo. But have come to appreciate these martial arts forms. Due to the practicality of each for self defense. I have come to the realization that most of these martial arts are actually useful in a fight. TKD for the surprise element associated with their kicks, boxing and kick boxing for the nice blend of power and speed, judo for the variety of throws and control in grappling, wrestling for the control on the ground and asserting dominance and top mount, bjj for the control on the ground but also individual limbs and the variety of submission. I know nothing about shaolin other than watching your videos. Martial Arts is to be appreciated and respected no matter what kind everyone practices. Karate, and any other martial arts I forgot to mention, I also respect that.
I've been doing taekwondo pretty much my whole life, fortunately I've never had to use it in a real life scenario. But it is a large part of my identity and don't know what I would be doing without it.
As long as you live it and makes your life worth it it's all good bro.
Taekwondo is the most devolped kicking system so it may lack in some aspect of figthing but it's top tier if you wanna kick like mule
@Nicolas Bouchard even though it mostly deals with kicks, my school does do a lot of other things like self defense classes and occasional kickboxing classes
I love the system you use to qualify different martial arts, you really condensed everything that make a martial art what it is
Regarding judo and exhaustion, I think it really depends which club you go to. I trained at San Jose State University for several years and that was one of the most physically demanding sports I had ever done. They take conditioning and Newaza very seriously, definitely wasn't just about tachiwaza.
Your editing style is really ideal for my adhd
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I loved this, some comedic elements
Great editing
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Love for multiple arts and the individual components
Respect
Ive been practicing Tae Kwon do for 15 years and I have to say I agree with everything you're saying about it, Aesthetically, all the demonstration is visually pleasing, all the high flying kicks and techniques are super fun to watch. Fitness, I'd say its higher like 9/10 since its a lot of kicking yes, but to kick correctly you need to be able to move your body in a way to allow that and let me tell you the amount of times I fell after doing a high flying kick takes a lot out of you and if you botch it and land on your side/back or stomach it hurts. Also sparring for TKD gets exhausting especially wearing all that equipment and a sweaty uniform lots and lots of sweat. Also the last one, yeah I would never use it in combat ever, maybe a rear back kick for a quick hit then run or a front kick but thats about it. TKd is taught to never use it as a weapon so I'd just use one kick to knock them out or stun them and run the hell away.
I would say TKD needs the most leg muscle out of all the martial arts here but it's mostly leg and body. Your arms aren't getting a lot of training. But I would agree with it being very tiring on your body.
I feel like for TKD, if you're against a physically stronger and large person, the moment they catch your legs, there is very little you can do to defend yourself. While you do train in arms a bit, 80% of the training goes to legs so it's not practical in a real fight. 👍
Wrestling is by far the best.
@@cletusjnrthethird well I mean I'm sure someone has, theres a reason why TKD uses full padding for sparring. One kick can really mess someone up, but again this video isn't about "would it win in a fight, so no need to bring that up."
@@LeniusRiven So that 2nd part you said, would eliminate like 90% of martial arts out there, not just TKD. But again this video isn't talking about if its good in a real fight its talking about the training, fitness and visually how good it is. So idk why that idea came up in the first place.
@@cletusjnrthethird
Some years ago, i witnessed a guy use Taekwondo for self defence when he was attacked by some angry guy, and it was very effective.
The attacker was losing badly when two of his friends joined him, but the guy using Taekwondo was able to hold all three off until the two friends of the attacker left after receiving a couple of hits and having the crowd turn against them for being three against one.
So i'd say someone has definitely won a street fight using Taekwondo.
Wrestling is obviously great one on one, but would it be any effective if more than one person was attacking you?
wich is often how self defence situations are.
Really enjoyed the logic behind your rankings here, although I don't agree with all of them. Curious as to where you would put something like Bagua or Tai Chi among these?
I just started judo like a month ago and now I unterstand why the trainer fuses ground and stand up sparring. He teaches us some kind of mix of bjj and judo and I love it.
Love the video! Just a little bit of info about Karate: So in the dojo that I trained at in Singapore, one of the sensei train us on the real world application and variations of the katas. It was very fun, tiring and painful... But then again not every sensei trains special force operators as a dayjob. Please keep up the awesome humour!!!!
My martial arts are TKD and Judo, and I largely agree with your assessment, although I will say that my Judo class back in the day was pretty exhausting. We did a fair bit of ground fighting, and fun trength exercises, such as picking each other up and running, or having one Judoka standing in a T-pose, while another was tasked with climbing around them without touching the mats. I had a lot of upper body strength back in those days.
WTF how long have you had a second channel?! Subbed.
I practice tkd and kickboxing and i find it to be a great thing in my life for fitness and confidence because your right it emphasizes on kicks but i also learn how to throw punches elbows knees and takedowns that are good for self-defense also my sensei has come up with a new blocking style in tkd that I think is more than effective in a street fight and trust me I've been in and seen my fair share of altercations so I would know love your channel man your a cool guy and if you play cod zombies let me know
Amazing vid I didn't know I'd love it so much.
Still, as a black belt in Judo, I got surprised about "In judo, you're mostly on your feet" while half of my sessions were on the floor. Kinda crazy how Dojos treat even the same martial arts; some can focus on certain techniques while in another country they focus on another one completely different.
(BTW didn't expect that double SS rank :O)
Karate is a really underappreciated art, now more than ever. In my dojo we'd spar with each other a lot, and would learn how to incorporate viable moves from our kata into our individual fighting styles. The value of your karate experience really depends on the dojo, style, and sensei. I learned the arts of Gōjū-ryū and Kyokushin, both in very different dojos and environments. There are so many different styles, variations of styles, forms of variations, and variations of forms in karate, it's incredible and something that I barely understand after 6 years of going to dojos. Just remember that martial arts are a wonderful thing, and if you've never been to a dojo just go in and ask somone about what it's like. 90% of the people that devote their life to the arts are very welcoming and can talking in far greater detail than I, talking to a sensei is something that you'll never regret.
yes, but you only spar against other people using the same art. which is why many say that it's not the best in terms of real world self defense. even the gym's that spar, do not prepare you for the possibilities of the real world. because your only ever facing people using the same techniques and operating under the same rules as you are. it limits the situations you are prepared for by a large margin.
it's the same criticism levied at many martial arts, so don't feel as though karate is being singled out.
I practised a style with some prodigys still training for 15 years to get to next black belt. Super heavy. Lots of sparring, very little kumite. However. Many there trained for 25 or more years, and still had almost no idea about how many other mainstream karate styles and techniques work. Karate is very diverse, but sadly often quite cultish. And sparring against non karate not happening really. Not by sensei decree at least.
I think fighting is mandatory for a MA to be legit
@@jmc2830 I don't feel like Karate is being singled out or that it's a phenomenal self defense art, but the fundamentals of fighting that it teaches you are incredibly valuable. I box bare knuckle and I find myself at an advantage when training with my buddies just because of the practical nature of fighting taught by my old dojo. This is even more true when you get into a fight outside of a sport environment, I know how to put far more power behind my strikes than most people that I've fought, and the ability to deliver a strong strike without compromising yourself is huge when you run it with someone.
Also we never spared like how people think. Yeah we used similar techniques but we we're strongly encouraged to develop our own way of fighting, something that worked best for us as individuals. My dojo was quite different than most of course, but this is true for many dojos in similar areas to mine.
I get were you're coming from and it's why I'm not doing karate or jujitsu anymore. It's far far too limiting. I got my ass kicked enough times to realize that karate can only get you so far against some people, but a guy that knows how to handle himself can open anyone's eyes.
Its truly worth putting effort into learning, but relying on fully it is a true liability.
I totally agree. I did karate as a kid and now do Oom Yung Do. The sparring is so critical, any martial art without it is not practical. My school does minimal sparring and its disappointing. We learn so many defenses and attacks that don't really work in a real fight. But I like the people and the workout, so what can you do?
Never did Karate but kudo looks super effective.
As a mixed martial artist who started in taekwondo as a teen to young adult for 6 years and now training in thai kickboxing + bjj, your list is very accurate. My only comment is on the fitness of bjj. At first, it is VERY exhausting, but a good grappler works less the better they get. The point is not to exert yourself but rely on technique.
Dude, I was literally commenting on another video earlier that I intended to raise my children in those exact styles in that exact order! (Granted I planned to start them a bit younger, but unimportant in this moment)
Tell me, how effective will my child be, from your experience?
@jayr5mitty351 Wow, well I mean each has benefits that can be applied to one another. Takewondo gave me the flexibility, agility and leg strength to be SICK with my kicks and harder to takedown when I apply more solid stances and strikes in MMA. I also have a background in dance and I teach gymnastics for a living which also contributes. I am a tall lighter guy (160 Ibs at 5'11") so it suited me very well to be a ranged fighter who likes to dodge and counter but I strike in a rather linear and direct way. It works for me and it's a hell of a lot of fun plus I get to show off a little spinning kick more easily than my peers can. Currently 35 and still dancing circles around most of my opponents. I am not unbeatable as I have a weakness to people who close the distance and work in fighting but I definitely will admit to being tricky to fight against.
Goodluck to your child! My two boys are going to learn from my styles and my wife's who trains in traditional Okinawan Gokuryu Karate.
@@DamienZshadow you are amazing 🙏🏾 thank you
@@jayr5mitty351 Thank you, brother! You are too!
He needs to do another video where he factors in how difficult it is to learn for beginners
I really was sad that boxing was not included, but I loved this video! I've been a boxer for about 5 years-ish now so I'm still kind of an amateur, but I still believe that many boxing styles are beautiful (Ali's dance-like patterns, Tyson's explosive peek-a-boo, Mayweather's impenetrable defense, etc"). I stand by the fact that I think boxing is more appropriate than kickboxing in a method of self defense for the pure fact that any martial art that introduces kicks (TKD, Karate, Muay Thai, etc") seldom incorporates the 3d movement and complex footwork that Boxing employs, boxing being like 70% footwork.
I still love the video, I'm just sad that boxing wasn't on it XD
Yep, he included sports he practiced so that must be why it's not included. We can argue what it would have ranked based on the things he said about other sports.
But no, footwork is not striking. You have footwork in every sports. It just differs based on what you will do. Boxers have absolutely no balanced because of their footwork.
Sure boxing has footwork but again, no, the most important aspect in boxing would be head movement coupled with footwork.
The presumably greatest boxer alive, Mayweather, doesn't move, he just dodges. And I know, you have other boxers such as Lomachenko that combine head movement and beautiful footwork. But striking is not related to footwork. A low kick on a boxer would absolutely demolish them. You have many many examples of that, the greatest boxers you mentioned all said that they wouldn't do MMA because as soon as you would touch their legs, it's over. I guarantee you, I'm not downgrading your grind or anything, but go and do a MMA sparring and tell them you are a boxer, they will low kick you like 10 times and then your boxing is neutralized because of that.
I would always put a muay thai/kickboxer above a boxer for the very reason that boxing is only a half sport, you get to hit the upper body only, especially the head, which means serious injuries over time. This is also the reason why there is a dead boxer every week, too much hits on their heads.
So, beauty would have been 3 or 4, because the style may vary with the elite boxers, but it is still not beautiful enough for the masses, when he speaks about esthetics he speaks about performing in a scene in front of an audience. Fitness would have been 8 to 10 because it's very demanding on the body and maybe not 10 because you don't use your legs, and when I say use, I mean train. You use it to move but you do that in every sports he mentioned. And finally effectiveness would have been somewhere between 6 and 8 purely based on the other sports he mentioned. Kickboxing wouldn't have a 10 if it didn't include leg striking.
In a nutshell, footwork is in all martial arts you mentioned and striking with legs is not footwork, it's striking. Boxing stances are mostly stiff and almost always put their legs in front of them which is the very first thing being hit by a leg kicker since you basically hand your legs to them. So no, boxing is not superior to muaythai or kickboxing movement wise and surely not striking wise. Muaythai has elbows... Do you understand what it means to be in a clinch against a muaythai guy as a boxer...? In boxing clinches are very common but almost no striking in them, they mostly want to strike right after escaping a clinch. Muaythai WANTS to clinch for knees and elbows...
No offense but you are wrong on that.
@@tgty5519 Interesting take, I appreciate your very detailed response!
@@tgty5519 Muay thai is just straight deadly martial art. Guys training muay thai over 2 years should be considered as weapons not people. Trainings are fucking brutal. Sparring is fucking brutal. Matches are the most brutal od all martial arts. Its in my opinion the only martial art that you need balls to train regularly.
Aren't you incredibly susceptible to get swept tho if you opt for boxing stance
@@somedonny8466 This is true, depending on the stance. There are many kinds of boxing but I presume an in fighter is difficult to sweep/tackle compared to an out boxer, nevertheless Boxing is still one of the most important tools in a fighter’s kit because it focuses on evasion unlike other sports, but that’s imho
I really like this. I love how honest you are with each style. Even your own style.
Barely do I get to hear people criticize BJJ. I like how your looks on it aren't just focused on effectiveness. The way an art looks is also a thing. How are you supposed to sell a style where two guys are laying on the floor for the entire match? XD
Great video.
As someone who practices wing chun, I partially agree. True, the lack of sparring is a big problem. A lot depends on how your SiFu teaches you. However, if you practice it for a long time and understand it, you will have an overwhelming advantage over the average person on the street. I would like to say that I still stand by the fact that Judo, for example, will always have an advantage if you are not fighting against an amateur. My final verdict is that Wing Chun is only effective if you have many years of practice in it or if you mix it with other martial art.
I agree with these rankings for the most part. I think that wing chun has helped my muay thai and dutch kickboxing though the sensitivity you gain with the training. It is very helpful in the clinch. Detecting elbows from down town haha.
At this point, Ranton could upload any kind of video and I'd still enjoy watching it.
I like how honest you are. I've been doing taekwondo for almost 20 years and I do agree with your assessment, for the most part. But you know, we do learn how to punch :P We also have self-defense as part of our training. Yes, we are focused on kicks, but that's not the only thing we are learning. I had to defend myself once and the first thing came out was my kick, and it worked, but I guess it was an isolated incident. I also started learning Wing Chun 3 years ago, and in all honesty, I'm still trying to figure out how it would help me in a real life situation. Everyone at my school is 100% convinced it is 100% effective. I'm of the opinion that we must learn multiple different martial arts to become really well-rounded and to cover all our bases. But maybe I'm wrong!
How can you be wrong when Bruce Lee himself saw this problem in wingchun ..and mixed wingchun with lots of other styles and created Jeet Kune do
I also come from a taekwondo background but when I started training and mixed martial arts all of the training I had in punches was very ineffective against someone who actually took the time to learn how to throw punches properly. Once they came within range, my punches were piss poor. I love Taekwondo, but the name gives the impression that it is equally hands and feet when it absolutely is not. Maybe your school did emphasize more time on it and better technique, but the vast majority of thailando practitioners that I have encountered were just as unprepared as I was when I first spared someone with boxing or mma.
There is a guy in streetbeef a RUclips channel using practical kung fu looks cool and effective you should check it out.
Thanks for the video Ranton! I have been doing ITF taekwondo for 18 years and I do have a couple points to make, as you said you do not have a lot of experience with the art. We have a pretty similar political problem to most other traditional martial arts where different styles, ways of exhibiting skill, lineages, and sparring can appear more or less "effective" or "artistic." There are definitely a few myths regarding the art. Yes, we are absolutely leg focused -- possibly derived from traditional Korean kicking sports -- and I absolutely agree that the high kicks are not only beautiful, but require flexibility, strength, and years of training to master the fluidity and biomechanics that generate force. I also agree that in most real-world applications, it's rare to have the space and timing to kick above the waist -- and I would definitely NEVER try it. But if I can generate considerable force directed to the head, I can definitely use those same techniques at close range directed to someone's knee or thigh, and that will hurt. Also, contrary to popular belief, we DO punch and use our elbows and knees! We are probably weighted 60% kicking and 40% upper body (in contrast to, say, karate, which is probably about 40-60). A lot of techniques were heavily influenced by western boxing, both through the ways that savate influenced karate but also because taekwondo developed into maturity originally as a military fighting system in the Korean War and drew from western boxing directly (the US Marine Corp Martial Arts Program has its origins here too!). A good taekwondo school will teach and spar punching to the head and drill practical skills like kicking below the waist and takedowns. Look for a school where techniques are derived from self-defense, not patterns or sport, and where the self defense mindset is taught as well. Find a school that's slow/reluctant to give out higher belt ranks, where the head instructor is fit and demonstrates everything themselves, where technique is not as important as effectiveness, and where fitness is emphasized as well as skill.
Regarding karate effectiveness, I'd say it may depend on the style, because traditional and for example shotokan are semi contact, where kyokushin is full contract and more brutal, so it brings some differences to how practical the result of training is
I was about to say not all martial arts are point based like you said kyokushin is a full contact sparring and can be effective in fights too but best try to avoid fights all together 😂
Honestly I don't know if all TaeKwonDoe classes are like this, but I personally liked where I learned for the short months I was there since my master didn't discourage what I already know and even encourage to evolve it what would be taught in the classes. I know that a lot of the main thing there is your kicks, but when I was there they showed me a good amount of close combat counter techniques against situations that could very likely to happen to someone such as someone grabbing your arm hard and refusing to let you go. There was a good amount of showing of how to throw actual punches and protect yourself from close attacks at fast paces. Good amount of sparring too and I love that my master made us swap opponent every couple of minutes with very short rests periods as he wanted to get us to get used to fighting multiple opponents at once with different fighting styles while building our stamina since it would drain fast, but from exercise it would force us to experiment on the spot with finding ways to conserve stamina while still throwing good punches and it was just a nice mentality building of always expecting to be on your guard even when you're completely exhausted in the middle of the fight as your opponents will not care and try to take advantage of that. Personally for me TaeKwonDoe is easily is 10/10 as actual street fight practice class at least going off of the school I went too and I actually been in a couple street fights before hand so I do have real experience to have judged/compared how effect those moves would have been if someone actually came at you outside the ring.
Great video. It's hard to disagree when you make it clear that you're building from your own experience and opinions. And you also clarify that you're talking about typical versions of the martial art rather than trying to account for every possible subtype.
'it's not the way I roll" ha ha
This was a good and entertaining review, well done and with charisma
Just remember things even the worst martial arts is better than staying at home and eating burgers
I'm a tkd practitioner and honestly I think you're pretty much right about everything. You opened my eyes to judo. I always hated it, thought it was boring (tried when I was a teenager like you, and I wanted to punch and kick), but I never thought of it on the perspective of an actual self defense situation. Most of the time you want to deescalate, you don't want to kill or break the bones of a random harasser, you just want to end the situation. On that sense striking is not the very best scenario (plus you'll very likely break a few bones of your own). BJJ is very very good, but you either hold the person down until help arrives (kinda awkward scenario), break their bones (not the best case), choke them (dangerous), or make them tap out (honestly don't know how likely that is). In the case of Judo a good throw to the ground ends fights with possibly minimal damage (except to their ego, points for that) and it gives you a good opportunity to leave the situation. Thank you for making me drastically switch opinions on that martial art. Great video!
Bruce Lee loved judo
"In the case of Judo a good throw to the ground ends fights with possibly minimal damage"
Unless they hit the back of their head on a solid floor then it's 2 weeks in a coma and goodnight Gracie switch off that machine.
i practiced tae kwon do for 2 years, and it was EXHAUSTING. the stance is basically tiny jumping constantly and let tell you, i hated how tired i always was, but then i noticed it was not tiredness.my knees are very weak and with the constant abuse for 2 years they got worse, so i had to stop.
ye i did tkd for a week but it was exhausting. but I'm sad he didn't include boxing into his video.
Idk im doing it around 6 years and im fealing better and in the start its boring but after few years you can go in fights and on tournamets and its starts to be more exating buts its still korean old millitary martial art so its more of discipline do after 2 years its like nothing
Nobody keeps on doing tae kwon do, i did 6 years and anybody that was there on my first year left
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He said w the martial arts he has expierience with. But Muay Thai is very close rang and considering most street fights are close range, it’s very effective. I’ve practiced for 2 months now and omg u land one elbow to the face and watch the person just fall down w a cut open nose
When I trained I had a mixed style with Karate and Muay Thai for striking and overall standing combat with some Aikido and Judo for throws and to finish off things on the ground with BJJ.
My favorite techniques were karate style punches (I had a sneaky move where I'd defend only using my front leg and arm and then counter with a hidden punch with my back arm which would be obscured by my body and clothes), low kicks to wear down, if things get too close I could go for a wrist lock or a throw and once in the ground I'd go for arm lock, triangle choke or my signature chokehold.
I would like to add to Taekwondo. The training for self-defence depends on school to school. My school did weekly self-defence classes, where we learnt how taekwondo skills can be used in unarmed combat, such as grappling, punching and elbow strikes, kicking at joints to incapacitate and other things. However, other schools I knew of in my city, only did training for tournaments. However, sparring classes are very common everywhere, making reflexes of the trainees very sharp, which benefits in its effectiveness. Also, 7/10 for aesthetic, I am cry 😫. I would really suggest you watch the poomsae competitions, absolutely divine 🤠👌
Great video 😩🥵🤠🔥
P.S: Not to brag but I speak from 16 years of Taekwondo experience, World Taekwondo. And yes, the Kyorugi fights nowadays are just feet fencing matches, not real fights 🤠👌
I support this :p
In my subset of tkd we take a self defense approach rather than sport so we do a lot of work on locks and minute long sparring rather than point based resets. This is in addition to lots of kicks and forms + other exercises of course
Very true I understand where you’re coming from I was trained by a grandmaster an old-school traditional taekwondo it is one of the best fighting styles, The problem is the Olympic version is so popular that 99% of people don’t know what real taekwondo is. We use punching kicking elbows knees throws everything. Traditional ITF TKD is a 10 out of 10
I no longer think of olympic TKD as a martial art, I prefer to think of it as a sport. It was a martial art before the electronic scoring system started being used, though
Surprising to not see muay thai mentioned. I think the addition of knees and elbows would up the aesthetics score a lot (relative to kickboxing).
Wing Tsun practitioner from Estonia here. I am training in PWTF system from Sifu Dmitry Stashevich. There is not much information in Internet unfortunately. We have throws, anti-grappling and one of the levels exam is 1vs3. So, it's not about the martial art, but about trainer and the system