They ALL sounded the same to me and ALL were harsh in the upper right hand. I'm presuming you recorded this video with sound coming from the speakers. The microphone used would have a BIG impact on what we're hearing. I've heard other demos of the GP500 and the differences between the Bechstein, Steinway, and Bosendorfer were readily apparent and sounded very good BUT I believe the audio was recorded from the Line Out Jacks. My wife and I played a GP500 at a dealership in Toronto and the action is wonderful. The sound from the speakers was so-so but it sounded fantastic with headphones on. It is my opinion that Kawai is on the right track by incorporating a wooden sound board on their high end digital pianos but this Casio GP series is a stunning leap forward for the brand and worthy of consideration when shopping.
Jon Armstrong I agree. I find the touch of my GP-300 better than the sound. Especially in the upper mid-range I think they could have done a better job with the speakers.
Petter Amundsen I compared it to a Yamaha nu1x and the low end on the Yamaha was just garbage, but Casio did a respectable job. I didn’t notice the upper mid range having problems. Though it doesn’t sound great on this video, but that’s likely down to the recording.
Jon Armstrong I liked the Vienna when demoing at the store. My daughter said she thought the keys were light and I have to say they are lighter than your average upright, but I think similar to a grand... though not quite as satisfying as a real grand.
The speakers on the upper registers are a little too loud, but that can be largely solved by closing the top. I played a GP 510 and thought it sounded very wonderful, but the pieces I played were very soft in the upper register, so if you played them harder they could've been harsh like this video. The action was incredible and could only be matched by the NV10 (which was better, but it uses Kawai's actual grand piano action and costs 2-3 times as much so of course it felt better. Also note, they didn't have any of the top grade Yamahas and also didn't have the NV5, all of which should be at least as good as the GPs, but also cost significantly more). I plan on buying one of these GPs soon.
Is it more difficult to play advanced classical music diploma répertoires on acoustic grand pianos if you study it mainly on the Casio GP510? So that the CASIO GP510 is not too suitable to prepare the advanced classical music diploma on it?
The heavier the setting you set, the more strength you need to obtain the same sound. I played with the heaviest, and it results in being a bit heavier without being more weighted
well, they did sound different but i dont know if the issue is with the piano's speakers or not but they all seem very strong in upper frequencies and very poor in mid and low frequencies... thanks for video.
I'm not sure I understand your question. If you mean that they use midi as a sound source, than no, they don't. They've recorded real piano sounds, in many different ways (different pressures), so that when you press a key, the sensors around the mechanism will trigger one of the corresponding recorded sounds. A sound engine then amplifies that sound to the strength that you pressed the key. This engine also emulates resonance and other features of a real piano. It's an amazing work of technology. Now if you mean "are they compatible with midi"? Then yes, USB midi or the old midi port are all there. It also records sound in wav format to a usb stick.
Claude Gaskell sure that may be the case, but are they really in the same ballpark? This Casio apparently sells for $2500, while the Yamaha you mentioned is listed at $6000?
The Casio hybrids are very different from an Avant Grand. The hammer mechanism in this Casio feels very good but lacks escapement (not that I mind). The Avant Grand N2 and N3 have a much more complex mechanism, closer to a real grand piano. Thus, a new N3x costs over $20k while this GP-400 is like $3k. And, in my opinion, Casio has done an amazing job for the money you spend on it. You just have to be smart enough to know you're buying a low budget hybrid and understand it won't be similar to the piano that costs 8 times more.
If you can spend about $10,000 and want an electronic piano, I have purchased the Kawai Novus 10 which to me sounds great and has amazing touch sensitivity. It has the same keyboard and mechanism as the Shiguri Kawai concert grand and a real damper mechanism, and many different piano as well as some other instrumental sounds. I have had to pay more attention to my touch and technique after upgrading to this after playing on a 20 year old Yamaha Clavinova!
Claude Gaskell I tried the nu1x a try and it felt more satisfying to play but that may be because I’m used to uprights and the Casio is trying to emulate a grand. But one point for Casio is their vastly superior sound system. I honestly wonder if Yamaha purposely nerfed the quality of the sound on the nu1x so it doesn’t eat into sales of the higher end models.
There is a huge price difference between the Casio Celviano GP500 and the Yamaha Avantgrand N3X, which gives the Casio Celviano a big edge. And for the much cheaper price, you are getting a very good hybrid. But if I have the money, I would invest in the Kawai Novus NV10 because it is the best in touch, sound, and over-all feel.
Three dedicated knobs just for the grand piano sounds seems rather inefficient. I guess it's not three different pianos being sampled but one piano with tree different eq settings, right?
Most probably not. The information given by Casio uses a somewhat vague language that could be interpreted in different ways. But there is at least a suggestion that these sounds were sampled from three different pianos. This is not unreasonable, since they have sampled a piano from another brand before joining forces with Bechstein, so it's safe to say that they had access to two pianos. And from that to three is not much of a strech, so my guess is that they went with three samples. I could be wrong, of course. Also, my impression is that having the three options so easily available is the exact opposite of inefficient - I would call it, at least, very practical. (I haven't seen a Grand Hybrid in person; I'm no kind of authority in the subject. I'm just someone in research mode, trying to find a good option to buy.)
No that's wrong. They are sampled from 3 very different pianos. Bechstein (Berlin), Steinway (Hamburg) and Bösendorfer (Vienna). They all sound VERY different from one another. In my channel, I have recorded pieces using all three samples of this instrument. They all sound great to my ears - just be mindful it's not a real grand so don't expect it to sound as one at a live presentation.
Postkasten T they’re different samples and the actually have different eq settings for the three different pianos (eg “bright Hamburg” “mellow Hamburg” “bright Vienna” etc.)
As a professional pianist having played on concert grands, with the right settings (high string resonance, damper resonance and berlin hall setting) this thing is a pretty decent 'simulator', the basic settings are pretty dry so you need to tune up the resonance, and hearing it through the recording adds an extra layer of 'digitialization' to the sound, so it doesn't do justice to the actual live sound. (Mind you it takes actual real technique to get a good sound out of the instrument, if you attack it harshly, the sound will come it exactly as you'd expect, probably even harsher than on a real instrument, but once you do master proper technique on it, the nuances are quite remarkable considering it's digital, in that sense, it's actually harder to play well on and better training than even some concert grands. You may find a grand easier to control after going from this, so it could even be good prep work.) The action is also quite remarkable for a digital instrument and feels very much like a bechstein. Of course it can't ever replace an actual concert grand and probably never will, there are still many nuances that it can't capture, mainly to do with soundboard resonance and the 'bouncing' of the keys, but I very much find this more useful and enjoyable to practice on than almost all uprights and lower end grand pianos. The effects, key weight, harmonies and responsiveness is good enough that you can sometimes 'forget' for a few moments that it's a digital instrument. It's also much easier to maintain than a grand. Great concept overall for half the price of a good upright!
Albert what is your deal? You reply the same comment on EVERY video featuring the GP 310 or 510. Do you have something personal against Casio? Did they hurt your feelings?
So you only play grands? What a shitty pianist you might be. You know, most uprights dont have escapement either, and with digital pianos they are just a poor simulation.
I had the Roland 700nx for 5 years - now I have the GP-400 0 and I can say that, of course, escapement is great, but there is no sense of missing somenthing, or lack of it, in this piano range, not least because most upright pianos do not have escapement.
It actually makes it harder to play well in faster passages, and you'll find a real instrument more easy on the technique after playing on this. It's actually good training in control and technique in some ways..
No matter how expensive a digital piano may be, all of them fall far short in projecting expressiveness through harmonic colouring, because there is the complete absence of interactive resonance.
@@andreamontefusco177 No matter how expensive a digital piano may be, all of them fall far short in projecting expressiveness through harmonic colouring, because there is the complete absence of interactive resonance. If you play a C chord on a digital piano, you hear simultaneous recordings of C, E, and G. On an acoustic piano however, there is an interaction of the strings - the C, E, and G vibrate sympathetically to each other, which affects the harmonic balance. Add to that the bass notes played by the left hand. By controlling the dynamics and the pedal, an adept performer can exert control on this effect, thereby achieving desirable harmonic colouring. It is of considerable significance, for the difference in tone between a violin and a harmonica is entirely the effect of inharmonicity and harmonic balance. This is why acoustic pianos are the almost always the choice of virtuosos for both practice and performance.
I used to think that as well, but this instrument along with the newer Yamaha avant grands seem to do a good job capturing resonance. With the GP500, the steinway samples coupled with high 'string resonances' settings do wonders. The weight of the keys and note sensitivity is also built in a way that it's responsive to touch and technique, you can get harsh sounds or mellow sounds based on how you attack it (with force or with proper weight), which I was quite impressed with as a pianist. It won't ever replace a real concert grand of course, but it blows lower end acoustic instruments out of the water.
@@garryliango6485 The interaction with strings is essential to achieve harmonic coloring, and with electronic pianos, that interaction is zero, because there are no strings. Very few virtuosos use them.
@@dimitridehouck9506 I'm a professional pianist and I've tried many many digital instruments before making a purchase. The Kawai dps have decent action, but the sound has a horrible muffle quality to the sound. Yamaha avantgrands are decent, but not worth the price. The GP series is also the only 'hybrid' series with steinway samples, so no brainer for me. It's not the real thing, but for a simulation, it comes mighty close. I've played on plenty of crappy grands at the conservatory as well, and this instrument blows many of them out of the water. I'm still getting a new steinway to replace my old yamaha which was beyond repair, but I'm still glad I got the GP. It won't win you any competitions or even qualify for submissions, but fits the need of a concert pianist needing good 'performance simulation' when you don't have the space or means to do so. You also need good technique to get the right tone out of the instrument like the real thing, which was quite surprising, but it makes a huge difference, just like on an acoustic instrument.
@@garryliango6485so the casio GP510 is not enough suitable to prepare an advanced classical music diploma on it, when you can't play regularly an acoustic? I'm confusing by your statements as they seem contradicting. You stated it won't win you competitions nor qualify for submission, and: but it feeds the need for concert pianist ??? 😮
I own a GP500 and recommend to anyone looking for a digital piano.
They ALL sounded the same to me and ALL were harsh in the upper right hand. I'm presuming you recorded this video with sound coming from the speakers. The microphone used would have a BIG impact on what we're hearing. I've heard other demos of the GP500 and the differences between the Bechstein, Steinway, and Bosendorfer were readily apparent and sounded very good BUT I believe the audio was recorded from the Line Out Jacks. My wife and I played a GP500 at a dealership in Toronto and the action is wonderful. The sound from the speakers was so-so but it sounded fantastic with headphones on. It is my opinion that Kawai is on the right track by incorporating a wooden sound board on their high end digital pianos but this Casio GP series is a stunning leap forward for the brand and worthy of consideration when shopping.
I own a GP300, and my personal favorite sound is the bright Hamburg grand.
Jon Armstrong I agree. I find the touch of my GP-300 better than the sound. Especially in the upper mid-range I think they could have done a better job with the speakers.
@@Boteswaine You always have headphones or speakers which you can plug in through the aux
Petter Amundsen I compared it to a Yamaha nu1x and the low end on the Yamaha was just garbage, but Casio did a respectable job. I didn’t notice the upper mid range having problems.
Though it doesn’t sound great on this video, but that’s likely down to the recording.
Jon Armstrong I liked the Vienna when demoing at the store.
My daughter said she thought the keys were light and I have to say they are lighter than your average upright, but I think similar to a grand... though not quite as satisfying as a real grand.
The speakers on the upper registers are a little too loud, but that can be largely solved by closing the top. I played a GP 510 and thought it sounded very wonderful, but the pieces I played were very soft in the upper register, so if you played them harder they could've been harsh like this video. The action was incredible and could only be matched by the NV10 (which was better, but it uses Kawai's actual grand piano action and costs 2-3 times as much so of course it felt better. Also note, they didn't have any of the top grade Yamahas and also didn't have the NV5, all of which should be at least as good as the GPs, but also cost significantly more). I plan on buying one of these GPs soon.
The first of course is a Bechstein; the second sound like a Hamburg Steinway, and the third sounds like a Bôsendorfer.
If you invest in pianos like the Casio Grand or Hybrid and Kawai NV-10, do their manufacturers provide repair services, especially years after?
Two-year standard warranty, extended to a five-year warranty when registered online within 30 days of purchase.
Aside from the warranty they will probably have replacement parts for these for at least 10 years. Past that it's hard to say.
The GP510 has 5 years guarantee
Is it more difficult to play advanced classical music diploma répertoires on acoustic grand pianos if you study it mainly on the Casio GP510? So that the CASIO GP510 is not too suitable to prepare the advanced classical music diploma on it?
We want a video on sight reading. Thanks
I would appreciate an informed opinion with regard to the touch settings. Is there a definite change to the feel of the keys?
That will be a change to the velocity curve, not the actual physical feel.
The heavier the setting you set, the more strength you need to obtain the same sound. I played with the heaviest, and it results in being a bit heavier without being more weighted
well, they did sound different but i dont know if the issue is with the piano's speakers or not but they all seem very strong in upper frequencies and very poor in mid and low frequencies... thanks for video.
I read that you can set the frequency
Does anybody know the name of the piece he's playing?
Hi its nocturne in e flat major by Chopin
Didn't know about hybrid pianos, brilliant invention. Are they MIDI oriented?
I'm not sure I understand your question. If you mean that they use midi as a sound source, than no, they don't. They've recorded real piano sounds, in many different ways (different pressures), so that when you press a key, the sensors around the mechanism will trigger one of the corresponding recorded sounds. A sound engine then amplifies that sound to the strength that you pressed the key. This engine also emulates resonance and other features of a real piano. It's an amazing work of technology.
Now if you mean "are they compatible with midi"? Then yes, USB midi or the old midi port are all there. It also records sound in wav format to a usb stick.
Wanted to know if connexion is possible with other midi devices.
RL@VD Yes you can connect them to other MIDI devices. I've had my GP300 connected to my laptop running Pianoteq 6.
@@jonarmstrong6214 do you still use it?
Its ok for a Casio, but come on the Yamaha Avant grand is much superior. Give any if of the N1 to N3 Avant grands a go, just better all round.
Claude Gaskell sure that may be the case, but are they really in the same ballpark? This Casio apparently sells for $2500, while the Yamaha you mentioned is listed at $6000?
The Casio hybrids are very different from an Avant Grand. The hammer mechanism in this Casio feels very good but lacks escapement (not that I mind). The Avant Grand N2 and N3 have a much more complex mechanism, closer to a real grand piano. Thus, a new N3x costs over $20k while this GP-400 is like $3k. And, in my opinion, Casio has done an amazing job for the money you spend on it. You just have to be smart enough to know you're buying a low budget hybrid and understand it won't be similar to the piano that costs 8 times more.
If you can spend about $10,000 and want an electronic piano, I have purchased the Kawai Novus 10 which to me sounds great and has amazing touch sensitivity. It has the same keyboard and mechanism as the Shiguri Kawai concert grand and a real damper mechanism, and many different piano as well as some other instrumental sounds. I have had to pay more attention to my touch and technique after upgrading to this after playing on a 20 year old Yamaha Clavinova!
Claude Gaskell I tried the nu1x a try and it felt more satisfying to play but that may be because I’m used to uprights and the Casio is trying to emulate a grand.
But one point for Casio is their vastly superior sound system. I honestly wonder if Yamaha purposely nerfed the quality of the sound on the nu1x so it doesn’t eat into sales of the higher end models.
There is a huge price difference between the Casio Celviano GP500 and the Yamaha Avantgrand N3X, which gives the Casio Celviano a big edge. And for the much cheaper price, you are getting a very good hybrid.
But if I have the money, I would invest in the Kawai Novus NV10 because it is the best in touch, sound, and over-all feel.
Haha, I feel so ashamed cause I only have a yamaha synthesizer. The most annoying thing is that it doesn't have enough keys. ):
Three dedicated knobs just for the grand piano sounds seems rather inefficient. I guess it's not three different pianos being sampled but one piano with tree different eq settings, right?
Most probably not. The information given by Casio uses a somewhat vague language that could be interpreted in different ways. But there is at least a suggestion that these sounds were sampled from three different pianos. This is not unreasonable, since they have sampled a piano from another brand before joining forces with Bechstein, so it's safe to say that they had access to two pianos. And from that to three is not much of a strech, so my guess is that they went with three samples.
I could be wrong, of course.
Also, my impression is that having the three options so easily available is the exact opposite of inefficient - I would call it, at least, very practical.
(I haven't seen a Grand Hybrid in person; I'm no kind of authority in the subject. I'm just someone in research mode, trying to find a good option to buy.)
No that's wrong. They are sampled from 3 very different pianos. Bechstein (Berlin), Steinway (Hamburg) and Bösendorfer (Vienna). They all sound VERY different from one another. In my channel, I have recorded pieces using all three samples of this instrument. They all sound great to my ears - just be mindful it's not a real grand so don't expect it to sound as one at a live presentation.
Postkasten T they’re different samples and the actually have different eq settings for the three different pianos (eg “bright Hamburg” “mellow Hamburg” “bright Vienna” etc.)
sounds harsh and digital.
As a professional pianist having played on concert grands, with the right settings (high string resonance, damper resonance and berlin hall setting) this thing is a pretty decent 'simulator', the basic settings are pretty dry so you need to tune up the resonance, and hearing it through the recording adds an extra layer of 'digitialization' to the sound, so it doesn't do justice to the actual live sound. (Mind you it takes actual real technique to get a good sound out of the instrument, if you attack it harshly, the sound will come it exactly as you'd expect, probably even harsher than on a real instrument, but once you do master proper technique on it, the nuances are quite remarkable considering it's digital, in that sense, it's actually harder to play well on and better training than even some concert grands. You may find a grand easier to control after going from this, so it could even be good prep work.) The action is also quite remarkable for a digital instrument and feels very much like a bechstein. Of course it can't ever replace an actual concert grand and probably never will, there are still many nuances that it can't capture, mainly to do with soundboard resonance and the 'bouncing' of the keys, but I very much find this more useful and enjoyable to practice on than almost all uprights and lower end grand pianos. The effects, key weight, harmonies and responsiveness is good enough that you can sometimes 'forget' for a few moments that it's a digital instrument. It's also much easier to maintain than a grand. Great concept overall for half the price of a good upright!
Albert what is your deal? You reply the same comment on EVERY video featuring the GP 310 or 510. Do you have something personal against Casio? Did they hurt your feelings?
@@garryliango6485what do you think about not having the escarpment?
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No escapement.. no buy
So you only play grands? What a shitty pianist you might be. You know, most uprights dont have escapement either, and with digital pianos they are just a poor simulation.
I had the Roland 700nx for 5 years - now I have the GP-400 0 and I can say that, of course, escapement is great, but there is no sense of missing somenthing, or lack of it, in this piano range, not least because most upright pianos do not have escapement.
It actually makes it harder to play well in faster passages, and you'll find a real instrument more easy on the technique after playing on this. It's actually good training in control and technique in some ways..
@@garryliango6485 thanks, I'm looking to buy one now
Let off is what I meant
No matter how expensive a digital piano may be, all of them fall far short in projecting expressiveness through harmonic colouring, because there is the complete absence of interactive resonance.
You have not played a kawai ca99 then...
@@andreamontefusco177 No matter how expensive a digital piano may be, all of them fall far short in projecting expressiveness through harmonic colouring, because there is the complete absence of interactive resonance. If you play a C chord on a digital piano, you hear simultaneous recordings of C, E, and G. On an acoustic piano however, there is an interaction of the strings - the C, E, and G vibrate sympathetically to each other, which affects the harmonic balance. Add to that the bass notes played by the left hand. By controlling the dynamics and the pedal, an adept performer can exert control on this effect, thereby achieving desirable harmonic colouring. It is of considerable significance, for the difference in tone between a violin and a harmonica is entirely the effect of inharmonicity and harmonic balance. This is why acoustic pianos are the almost always the choice of virtuosos for both practice and performance.
I used to think that as well, but this instrument along with the newer Yamaha avant grands seem to do a good job capturing resonance. With the GP500, the steinway samples coupled with high 'string resonances' settings do wonders. The weight of the keys and note sensitivity is also built in a way that it's responsive to touch and technique, you can get harsh sounds or mellow sounds based on how you attack it (with force or with proper weight), which I was quite impressed with as a pianist. It won't ever replace a real concert grand of course, but it blows lower end acoustic instruments out of the water.
@@garryliango6485 The interaction with strings is essential to achieve harmonic coloring, and with electronic pianos, that interaction is zero, because there are no strings. Very few virtuosos use them.
@@williamsmyth5047 string interaction resonances are emulated on good digital, modern pianos.
kawai is better
Have you played on them both? I'm curious because I can't decide between the Casio and Kawai.
@@dimitridehouck9506 I'm a professional pianist and I've tried many many digital instruments before making a purchase. The Kawai dps have decent action, but the sound has a horrible muffle quality to the sound. Yamaha avantgrands are decent, but not worth the price. The GP series is also the only 'hybrid' series with steinway samples, so no brainer for me. It's not the real thing, but for a simulation, it comes mighty close. I've played on plenty of crappy grands at the conservatory as well, and this instrument blows many of them out of the water. I'm still getting a new steinway to replace my old yamaha which was beyond repair, but I'm still glad I got the GP. It won't win you any competitions or even qualify for submissions, but fits the need of a concert pianist needing good 'performance simulation' when you don't have the space or means to do so. You also need good technique to get the right tone out of the instrument like the real thing, which was quite surprising, but it makes a huge difference, just like on an acoustic instrument.
@@garryliango6485so the casio GP510 is not enough suitable to prepare an advanced classical music diploma on it, when you can't play regularly an acoustic?
I'm confusing by your statements as they seem contradicting. You stated it won't win you competitions nor qualify for submission, and: but it feeds the need for concert pianist ??? 😮