Milo, thank you for the explanation on how to increase the speed, something the boys at AMG forgot to mention. I spent 15 minutes incorporating your ideas into my swing using a wedge, then proceeded to the 1st tee, used your method with my driver and was shocked. I have not hit the ball that far, ever, my second shot to the first green is usually a 3 wood or a hybrid if I hit it good, I used an 8 iron, ball landed in the middle of the green and we were playing into a fairly stiff breeze. I am excited to learn more and wonder where your ideas will take my game. Many Thanks.
Thanks Milo! Great way to express the motion dynamics. You show a face on of DJ in your classic swings video where his transition down reminds me of the guy hammering the tire.
Milo glad you did this video I seen that video talking about hand speed. This was explain very good by you there lot of difference between hand speed and club speed. Well done still working on what you teaching. Getting there 🤓👍
This is very good advice. AMG is off about how to create the hand speed. You do not need to pull the arms down. Gravity will bring them down quickly in transition. You have to delay the axe hit until your hands are low and near the ball. The hands then release by moving up and left while unwinding the wrist angle. That produces the most leverage and serious speed. Many long drives talk about keeping the arms soft at the top. They let the body pivot and create ground force before unleashing the axe when the hand reach the low point of the arc. Swinging a heavier club will help you feel this process. Light clubs often cause the golfer to release the club too early. It's the same sensation as though you were trying to hit a golf ball with a sledgehammer. You would delay the unhinging of the wrists until very close to the ball. Otherwise, it would feel like there is no speed to the sledgehammer. Another good swing thought is to attempt to create the most speed a foot or two past the ball. If you have a swing radar you will see that delaying the hit will give you the highest clubhead speed.
Another point to make. The faster you bring the club back, the more force you will put on the club in transition and the faster the clubhead speed will be if your sequencing is right. Try this experiment. Bring the club back quickly on a wide arc. Feel that you are really delaying any movement down of your arms in transition, pivot left with lower and upper body, and feel the arms drop without applying any force to release the club. If you are patient with the arms and wrists, you will unload them at the bottom of the arc for serious clubhead speed.
thank you, I find your videos very helpful,.... as a man who have chopped a lot of wood i am quite certain that the force of the axe is much higher if your arms are relaxed through impact than if you try to apply acceleration by muscle it all through the chop
Thanks Milo. I’m not sure how much total hand speed matters since the hands should reach peak rotational speed after the pelvis and upper torso reach their respective peak rotational speeds. As you said, the timing needs to right. Also, the best golfers have a bent right elbow at impact and the only way to have that is to rotate the right shoulder low and forward enough so the player doesn’t run out of right arm. And, the only way to turn the right shoulder low and forward enough is to start the downswing with good pelvic rotation. Thanks for the video!
Don't recall seeing this video . Loved it. The subsequent video you did on hub path shift is the key to understanding how that early and added hand speed can be harnessed, as you certainly know. But to the viewers it may not be obvious. Hand speed alone does almost nothing, unless you convert it to the club via the hub path shift. The ax man demonstrates the hub path shift perfectly too.
GREAT Description ! I’ve got 2 work on this at the range… I have definitely been speeding up my hands way 2 early….. Usually at the top of my swing just as you described! LOL!
mija1701 My Dad who taught me to hit, Ted Williams, Ben Hogan, Sam Snead, Bobby Jones, Jack Nicklaus, Billy Casper, and many golf instructors including Butch Harmon, Bill Melhorn, Mike Malaska, George Gankas, and lots of others.
You bet, thanks for watching! If I can ever be of further help to you in learning to Swing Like an Athlete, please do check out my website at milolinesgolf.com for in-person or online lessons, golf schools, or to become a member of my Online Academy.
Nice explanation. As you know, I’ve continued to have trouble getting the right arm in front in the downswing causing me to be too steep. I think leaving the arms up is just a bad thought for me. It’s all about how your brain and body interpret what you tell it to do. I think a better feel for me would be leave the club head in place and let the body move the arms and hands.
I've been "playing" with my swing and a swing radar. I've just been trying to understand and feel where speed comes from. I saw the Athletic Motion Golf video you mentioned - and you're right, they don't tell you how to create this speed. Your videos showing the sledgehammer/ax really hit home for me. It immediately took my 7-iron from 75 mph to 85 mph. THANKS ! Great video.
you are right about the hands accelerating from the top. but the secret to clubhead acceleration, and retaining the wrist angle up to "p6", is to apply force to both sides of the shaft with the left hand. the big secret is in knowing how to do this. and, really, pulling down with the left hand is not an option, as the swing athlete guys tell us. if you pull down with the left hand the arm bends and the club is pulled in towards the body, getting you into a very cramped position. but, you tube videos do provide the perfect format for proving that the hands do accelerate from the top, as you say. slow a hogan video down and his hands blur when he starts down. this shows that it is his hands that are the dominant factor. and, when you look closely you will see that the club disappears from view when he gets into a position where his left hand is to the left of the shaft. the big question is: how did he do this?
What do you think. about trying. to delay the flex. of the wrists. until after the downswing starts, thereby. preventing. the premature loss of lag prior to impact?
Milo I'm not sure I get your analogy; both guys are using their body/core to transfer energy or mass x force to impart energy on a object. They are not trying to hit the tire or woodblock as fast as they can. But your explanation of holding the angle to p6 and then releasing it makes sense. We both know that when you try and hit the golf ball as hard as you can that you actually slow down your swing speed.
Is there a part 2 explaining how to not accelerate the club head early? If not, it would be timely because of Be Better Golf’s experiment about keeping the shaft lean into impact wheel experiment.
The problem with your approach is that a huge amount of amateurs who start the downswing with the core and lower body rather than the hands end up getting out of sequence where it either throws the club head out or the club gets stuck behind them. I am the latter and the change for me where the feeling of starting the downswing with my hands and keeping my right shoulder back revolutionized my swing and knocked 11 strokes off my handicap. I found this tip in a video that Tiger posted. It even gave me close to an extra 10mph with the driver because of the correct sequencing. Jeff Flagg is one example of an arms start swing who generates huge speed so it is possible.
Great video. I sometimes get the club way too shallow and behind me and I either flip it or I chunk it because the club is so far behind me. Could you help me with this problem ?
when you do that, you drop your. head a lot, about 6-7 inches. This is done by flexing your knees and also flexing your spine. Is this what you recommend?
@@MiloLinesGolf SO in the downswing, is power created by extending the left knee ( to offset the backswing flex, , allowing anterior pelvic tilt to permit the pelvis to thrust the pelvis forward and provide a stable base to counter balance the force of the downswing ?
From what I understand, you don't want to holdCanon RM1-6405-000, FM4-3436-000 anything, let the relaxed wrists "keep" the angle until naturally released.
I have been lookin at Justin Rose hit irons.It looks like that when he swings,he sets his knee flex. right away in the backswing and does not wait till the transition to do this. What do you think about this method?
Coincidentally, the AMG boys published this video last night showing this on Gears! I found it interesting and consistent with your numbers. But, the drill they show strikes me as getting the arms too active in the swing. ruclips.net/video/IYE2vFdFT5o/видео.html
I am glad you picked up on the AMG video. I think this is a good tact for you to maybe feed off of AMG and maybe GG, as sometimes a second explanation of solid golf instruction / theory is valuable. Both those avitars were pros? Pinning the left arm against the chest......at the top....I thought AMG proved that losing that adduction angle was a flaw. Maybe a future topic. Thanks for the vid....from cold weather country.
B Johnson All four avatars were tour players. AMG did prove that the left arm needs to come off the chest but the timing of it they didn’t get into very much, all players that make a lot of speed allow their left arm to fly off the chest but the ones that swing the fastest allow their chest to drive their left arm initially and then it slingshots off.
@@MiloLinesGolf Milo, AMG does talk about the initial pinning of the left arm but I believe it is on their web site. This really cleared up a big question for me and will (hopefully) make golf much easier, thanks!
1/ the body drops bringing the arms down 2/ then you pull the arms down as you are twisting/dropping body further. 3/ then you unhinge the wrists and continue to accelerate body twist, arm speed and wrist unhinge all at the same time. No wonder its such a hard game to master. a lot going on to time all that right lol
Great video because if you go to the range and try to pull down just with the arms the strikes are terrible and it just doesn’t feel right. Even though countless instructors advocate it. You know instinctively that it’s not correct. Also as you say it violates the laws of athletic motion.
I've worked with many senior golfers, and we still much of the lessons I have across this channel. We do make accommodations here and there, but the overall pattern is much the same. I also have a senior golfer course on my website and online academy: milolinesgolf.com/online-academy/
Thanks for watching!
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Milo , this "AX" video is pure GOLD ! I'm 74 and killing it . This is my "secret" THANK YOU !!!!
Any time, Woody! Thanks
Just started Woking with the Dewiz ,interesting on where max hand speed occurs as hands slow the club head accelerates.Very enlightening !
Milo, thank you for the explanation on how to increase the speed, something the boys at AMG forgot to mention. I spent 15 minutes incorporating your ideas into my swing using a wedge, then proceeded to the 1st tee, used your method with my driver and was shocked. I have not hit the ball that far, ever, my second shot to the first green is usually a 3 wood or a hybrid if I hit it good, I used an 8 iron, ball landed in the middle of the green and we were playing into a fairly stiff breeze. I am excited to learn more and wonder where your ideas will take my game. Many Thanks.
Great to hear Ed, thank you!
Thanks Milo! Great way to express the motion dynamics. You show a face on of DJ in your classic swings video where his transition down reminds me of the guy hammering the tire.
Glad you liked it! Thanks Christian!
Milo glad you did this video I seen that video talking about hand speed. This was explain very good by you there lot of difference between hand speed and club speed. Well done still working on what you teaching. Getting there 🤓👍
This is very good advice. AMG is off about how to create the hand speed. You do not need to pull the arms down. Gravity will bring them down quickly in transition. You have to delay the axe hit until your hands are low and near the ball. The hands then release by moving up and left while unwinding the wrist angle. That produces the most leverage and serious speed. Many long drives talk about keeping the arms soft at the top. They let the body pivot and create ground force before unleashing the axe when the hand reach the low point of the arc. Swinging a heavier club will help you feel this process. Light clubs often cause the golfer to release the club too early. It's the same sensation as though you were trying to hit a golf ball with a sledgehammer. You would delay the unhinging of the wrists until very close to the ball. Otherwise, it would feel like there is no speed to the sledgehammer.
Another good swing thought is to attempt to create the most speed a foot or two past the ball. If you have a swing radar you will see that delaying the hit will give you the highest clubhead speed.
Another point to make. The faster you bring the club back, the more force you will put on the club in transition and the faster the clubhead speed will be if your sequencing is right.
Try this experiment. Bring the club back quickly on a wide arc. Feel that you are really delaying any movement down of your arms in transition, pivot left with lower and upper body, and feel the arms drop without applying any force to release the club. If you are patient with the arms and wrists, you will unload them at the bottom of the arc for serious clubhead speed.
thank you, I find your videos very helpful,.... as a man who have chopped a lot of wood i am quite certain that the force of the axe is much higher if your arms are relaxed through impact than if you try to apply acceleration by muscle it all through the chop
Right on!
Thanks Milo. I’m not sure how much total hand speed matters since the hands should reach peak rotational speed after the pelvis and upper torso reach their respective peak rotational speeds. As you said, the timing needs to right.
Also, the best golfers have a bent right elbow at impact and the only way to have that is to rotate the right shoulder low and forward enough so the player doesn’t run out of right arm. And, the only way to turn the right shoulder low and forward enough is to start the downswing with good pelvic rotation.
Thanks for the video!
Thanks Jim!
Don't recall seeing this video . Loved it.
The subsequent video you did on hub path shift is the key to understanding how that early and added hand speed can be harnessed, as you certainly know.
But to the viewers it may not be obvious.
Hand speed alone does almost nothing, unless you convert it to the club via the hub path shift.
The ax man demonstrates the hub path shift perfectly too.
GREAT Description ! I’ve got 2 work on this at the range… I have definitely been speeding up my hands way 2 early….. Usually at the top of my swing just as you described! LOL!
They will speed up more efficiently with a more system based approach.
This explains the stray golf balls in my backyard!!! Great video!
Haha, thanks Steve!
You keep hitting it out of the park like a Boss! Thanks for the great clarification examples Milo.
You bet 👊
One of the very best teachers on the internet. May I ask who your Influence's/teachers were/are? Will definitely be following you closely.
mija1701 My Dad who taught me to hit, Ted Williams, Ben Hogan, Sam Snead, Bobby Jones, Jack Nicklaus, Billy Casper, and many golf instructors including Butch Harmon, Bill Melhorn, Mike Malaska, George Gankas, and lots of others.
@@MiloLinesGolf Very cool and impressive. Malaska ranks high on my list. Keep 'em coming, we'll keep learning. Thanks!
Very insightful. Thank you for sharing.
You bet, thanks for watching! If I can ever be of further help to you in learning to Swing Like an Athlete, please do check out my website at milolinesgolf.com for in-person or online lessons, golf schools, or to become a member of my Online Academy.
Whew I’m glad you’re publishing videos again
Haha thanks!
Great video and comparison with axe. Really feels different pushing into that ground first THEN turning the arms on. Quite powerful
Glad you enjoyed it Mark!
Nice explanation. As you know, I’ve continued to have trouble getting the right arm in front in the downswing causing me to be too steep. I think leaving the arms up is just a bad thought for me. It’s all about how your brain and body interpret what you tell it to do. I think a better feel for me would be leave the club head in place and let the body move the arms and hands.
@Golflectics good point about club head vs hand speed ....
Thanks!
great tip, tried it this morning and added 30 yards to my pw.
Love it!
I've been "playing" with my swing and a swing radar. I've just been trying to understand and feel where speed comes from. I saw the Athletic Motion Golf video you mentioned - and you're right, they don't tell you how to create this speed. Your videos showing the sledgehammer/ax really hit home for me. It immediately took my 7-iron from 75 mph to 85 mph. THANKS ! Great video.
3:35 ish was the start of 🥇 for myself!
Ty
Thanks for watching!
Greta lesson. Can do this with my 9 iron fine. Not so much wiht the driver as i find it hits the ground before the ball
Definitely don't want to hit the ground with driver. Thanks for watching!
you are right about the hands accelerating from the top. but the secret to clubhead acceleration, and retaining the wrist angle up to "p6", is to apply force to both sides of the shaft with the left hand. the big secret is in knowing how to do this. and, really, pulling down with the left hand is not an option, as the swing athlete guys tell us. if you pull down with the left hand the arm bends and the club is pulled in towards the body, getting you into a very cramped position. but, you tube videos do provide the perfect format for proving that the hands do accelerate from the top, as you say. slow a hogan video down and his hands blur when he starts down. this shows that it is his hands that are the dominant factor. and, when you look closely you will see that the club disappears from view when he gets into a position where his left hand is to the left of the shaft. the big question is: how did he do this?
Great stuff Milo!
Thanks, Carl!
Milo to the rescue!! Stay safe
Thanks Joe!
One of your best yet!
Thanks Jay!
Excellent, I got it, stop trying to get the clubhead going at the ball to soon!
Glad you liked it, thanks for watching!
Very helpful, thanks.
You're welcome!
He’s back!
Haha
What do you think. about trying. to delay the flex. of the wrists. until after the downswing starts, thereby. preventing. the premature loss of lag
prior to impact?
I like the trail wrist to stay extended or even extend further in the first part of the downswing. This is done easiest with little tension.
Milo I'm not sure I get your analogy; both guys are using their body/core to transfer energy or mass x force to impart energy on a object. They are not trying to hit the tire or woodblock as fast as they can. But your explanation of holding the angle to p6 and then releasing it makes sense. We both know that when you try and hit the golf ball as hard as you can that you actually slow down your swing speed.
Thumbs up just for the music!
Haha, thanks Cory!
Is there a part 2 explaining how to not accelerate the club head early? If not, it would be timely because of Be Better Golf’s experiment about keeping the shaft lean into impact wheel experiment.
ruclips.net/video/v6BA28YmRLo/видео.html
The problem with your approach is that a huge amount of amateurs who start the downswing with the core and lower body rather than the hands end up getting out of sequence where it either throws the club head out or the club gets stuck behind them. I am the latter and the change for me where the feeling of starting the downswing with my hands and keeping my right shoulder back revolutionized my swing and knocked 11 strokes off my handicap. I found this tip in a video that Tiger posted. It even gave me close to an extra 10mph with the driver because of the correct sequencing. Jeff Flagg is one example of an arms start swing who generates huge speed so it is possible.
Very interesting Milo. Thanks very much. Your last sentence refers to amateurs not accelerating clubhead “early” Is that correct?
The Last Sentence refers to amateur players accelerating the club head too soon
The arm swing example would be Cory conners I think it is a swing from earnest Jones or Emanuel de latoure
Conners has been playing great!
Great video. I sometimes get the club way too shallow and behind me and I either flip it or I chunk it because the club is so far behind me. Could you help me with this problem ?
For sure
you said there were two types of swings hands and body at 72 will i get more speed with a hand swing is the take away the same
when you do that, you drop your. head a lot, about 6-7 inches. This is done by flexing your knees and also flexing your spine. Is this what you recommend?
Yes 👍
@@MiloLinesGolf SO in the downswing, is power created by extending the left knee ( to offset the backswing flex, , allowing anterior pelvic tilt to permit the pelvis to thrust the pelvis forward and provide a stable base to counter balance the force of the downswing ?
So how do you stop your hands from losing wrist angle at the top early? Do you hold the angle by applying force or keep loose and it happens?
Anyone??
From what I understand, you don't want to holdCanon RM1-6405-000, FM4-3436-000 anything, let the relaxed wrists "keep" the angle until naturally released.
I have been lookin at Justin Rose hit irons.It looks like that when he swings,he sets his knee flex. right away in the backswing and does not wait till the transition to do this. What do you think about this method?
He still loses some knee flex in the backswing, I'd be careful about resisting in the backswing. Thanks William.
Milo, out of curiosity, do you know know how much right elbow angle you lose between P4 and P6? Thanks!
P4 97* P6 49* so around half of it
Coincidentally, the AMG boys published this video last night showing this on Gears! I found it interesting and consistent with your numbers. But, the drill they show strikes me as getting the arms too active in the swing. ruclips.net/video/IYE2vFdFT5o/видео.html
dont forget the swat movement in your legs(ground force)
That goes more with the movements I discuss. I often find that driving the arms down couples more with pushing up out of the ground too early.
I am glad you picked up on the AMG video. I think this is a good tact for you to maybe feed off of AMG and maybe GG, as sometimes a second explanation of solid golf instruction / theory is valuable.
Both those avitars were pros?
Pinning the left arm against the chest......at the top....I thought AMG proved that losing that adduction angle was a flaw. Maybe a future topic.
Thanks for the vid....from cold weather country.
B Johnson All four avatars were tour players. AMG did prove that the left arm needs to come off the chest but the timing of it they didn’t get into very much, all players that make a lot of speed allow their left arm to fly off the chest but the ones that swing the fastest allow their chest to drive their left arm initially and then it slingshots off.
@@MiloLinesGolf
So at some point chest stops, hands slow and club whips...right?
B Johnson my video on how to accelerate the arms from a a while back does a better job explaining the concept than I can in a comment 👍
@@MiloLinesGolf thanks for the response
@@MiloLinesGolf Milo, AMG does talk about the initial pinning of the left arm but I believe it is on their web site. This really cleared up a big question for me and will (hopefully) make golf much easier, thanks!
Could this be the missing link for all of us?
Milo where is part 2? I was hoping you had a drill on the feeling of the axe throw on the golf plane near the ball?
@@jackbisson9226 ruclips.net/video/v6BA28YmRLo/видео.html
If I tried to hit a tire with a sledgehammer, it would most likely bounce back at me and knock me out.
Haha
1/ the body drops bringing the arms down 2/ then you pull the arms down as you are twisting/dropping body further. 3/ then you unhinge the wrists and continue to accelerate body twist, arm speed and wrist unhinge all at the same time. No wonder its such a hard game to master. a lot going on to time all that right lol
There is very little to time if you allow the pivot to create the energy!
that guy was pretty good with the ax though
Great video because if you go to the range and try to pull down just with the arms the strikes are terrible and it just doesn’t feel right. Even though countless instructors advocate it. You know instinctively that it’s not correct. Also as you say it violates the laws of athletic motion.
That’s how Charles Barkley seings
I think this will mess up my swing
backyard golf lesson at night?! WTH!!🤦🏼🤦🏼
Some weeks the only free time I have is after 10pm😂.
Go look at the athletic motion guys. They'll give u the proper sequence. Ur information is not correct sorry
Ha ha which one of them can make 195 ball speed like me or Henry?
@Milo Lines Golf And that puts u where? Never heard of u never will
@@hiramruiz9067 thanks for watching and while my game never made it to the PGA tour the concepts I teach are being applied weekly on every major tour.
but not when you are an old guy😀
I've worked with many senior golfers, and we still much of the lessons I have across this channel. We do make accommodations here and there, but the overall pattern is much the same. I also have a senior golfer course on my website and online academy: milolinesgolf.com/online-academy/
No.
No what?