I think Rory was sympathetic to the gangers because he has memories of being plastic for 2,000 years. He probably knows how it feels to believe that you were human even tho physically you weren't.
“Considering what we’ve learned I’ll do this as humane as I can now I need to do this so you need to STAND AWAY.” Matt Smith was brilliant at sudden outright emotional anger! What a great Doctor.
I believe Amy was switched when she was in that first room with all the silence on the ceiling, if you remember they all wake up and get all mad and stuff, and suddenly the door opens and everything's fine. Then the next scene we see her in we get the first sliding door wall thing
The next five lines were cut from the episode: The fight goes on but what’s it for... when a good man goes to war . Now rise the sun, now dawn the day , When good men run and women stay, When battle’s done and nothing’s won, It’s a woman’s work to say : _Well then, soldier, how goes the day?_
Demons run when a good man goes to war Night will fall and drown in sun When a good man goes to war Friendship dies and true love lies Night will fall and the dark will rise When a good man goes to war Demons run but count the cost The battles won but the child is lost The fight goes on but what’s it for when a good man goes to war Now rise the sun, now dawn the day When good men run and women stay When battle’s done and nothing’s won It’s a woman’s work to say Well then, soldier, how goes the day?
I kind of did. During this episode of the 2-parter, it became clear how heavy-handed the themes were. Too heavy-handed. It had to be leading somewhere, to some twist with the main characters. Unlikely the Doctor and Rory was the obvious choice, so it had to be Amy...
Well, if you think about it, when the guy's in the control pod for the flesh, him and the flesh are basically in sync. They both expect to be piloting this body from a safe place. So when it's time to disconnect, they both merrily do so... but then they separate. The original wakes up in the pod like they expect to, and the Flesh just goes "... what's going on? Why didn't I go back to the pod? Why am I still here? Oh JESUS I'm about to die!" over and over each time they make a new one, a version of yourself gets very very surprised when they don't disconnect like they expect to. And then they die.
@@Rot8erConeX Well if you put it like that the Ganger-Jennifer only should remeber every single time she woke up in the opd until she once did not. Since she is a fresh copy of the human who did just that. There is some odd memory transfer stuff going on that is not exclusive to her at all.
This Series felt like a self contained movie. "Considering what we've learned I'll do this as humane as I can but I need to do this and you need you to stand away", ooohhh shivers...
Next week we get to see them react to: >River Song’s identity. >Colonel Runaway. >”A message from the doctor and a question from me.” >”Never will be... SURPRISE” >”We get that word from you, you know” >”How can a time lord be a weapon!”... “well they’ve seen you”... “me?....” >We get to meet Vastra, Jenny and Strax > 3 minutes and 40 seconds > “We are no fools”
The great thing is, for us, is a mid season finale. For them, it’s just an episode in the middle of the season. They have no idea and won’t be expecting such a insane episode.
All things considered, « A good man goes to war » is probably my favorite thing Moffat did on DW. So many fantastic moments, and such a beautiful ending scene (Matt Smith and Alex Kingston at the peak of their chemistry). I hope they’ll enjoy it.
@Preceyese-Seyeght You're forgetting the simple fact that the entire reason River can regenerate, is due to being conceived, while Amy and Rory are on the TARDIS.
@Preceyese-Seyeght And in a later episode, the Doctor mentions the first time Amy and Rory would have had sex, after the universe reset, would be on their wedding night, in the TARDIS. Explaining as to how River can regenerate. I understand you have headcanon. But you are just straight up ignoring what the show tells you.
@Preceyese-Seyeght Oh, I'm the wrong one? 1. It was 12 years that the Doctor had skipped in the episode The Eleventh Hour. Not 2, you simpleton. 2. The Doctor was the mysterious figure in the house, in The Eleventh Hour. This was the Doctor that had entered the crack in the wall, in The Big Bang. 3. River being conceived while the TARDIS is in flight, is the official canon reason as to why she can regenerate. Again, there is headcanon, but you are ignoring what the show tells you.
@@jasonhowle1821 I suppose that depends on what you want from your sci fi. The sci fi I generally like is when it uses the medium to take contemporary issues and explore them in a science fiction setting to make them more palatable, such as Genesis of the Daleks. I like Star Trek Next Generation and the Battlestar Galactica reboot because they often do that, putting characters in morally comprising situations to see how they react. Even the episodes of Doctor Who that I like most are ones either grounded in character, or that delve into topical issues. It's the same in literature; Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World, Left Hand of Darkness, could all be considered sci fi, but they transcend the genre and continue to be read because they don't tie themselves to the genre. To me, saying a person needs to be a sci fi writer is telling them to limit the stories they can tell to a specific area, and I, personally, wouldn't watch that show. A show shouldn't speak only to one core audience: it should be able to speak to anyone.
@@Windupchronic I can respect that, but for me so far, Chibnall's era is feeling less like Doctor Who, and more like some random Sci-Fi show no one's ever heard of. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you on Moffat's era. Things felt a lot more fantastical and they twisted your brain around a lot, sometimes not in a good way. But it still felt like Doctor Who even if I don't totally love the direction they went with the story arcs. The individual episodes were fun and exciting, and I just don't feel that with *any* episode of Series 11 so far. I don't even feel like the episodes are thought-provoking in any way, which is even worse. I'm sticking with Doctor Who in the hopes that I find the show I've been watching for the past 13 years. But that hope is dwindling...
@@Windupchronic I feel the exact opposite lol. I like technobabble and imagined sci fi lore. We've had enough episodes in the rebirthed era of Doctor Who examining the human and "timelord" conditions.
I always thought Amy was taken in the three months between episode 1 & 2 of this season, as she said she was pregnant before and in the 2nd ep she admitted that she wasn't, she just thought she had been. And she saw that slide-woman before she got abducted by the Silence, if I remember correctly. Great discussion and reaction, guys :)
If you go back and watch the first episode in Series 6 when the Doctor, Amy, Rory, and River are in the Oval Office the doctor says that he also was checking into something else and he glances at Amy. He already knew she was a flesh Avatar at that point. He also states that she was taken some time before going to America.
@Preceyese Seyeght That is obviously not what happens at all. They abducted her AFTER she got pregnant which happened, if you might recall watching the episode after this one, in their wedding night. What River findds is the evidence that the Pandorica is a trap and the Romans are Nestine footsoldiers. none of the evidence there is connected to their plans after the Pandorica. We can only narrow it down to a point in her timeline after she found out she was pregnant and the first time she saw Mrs. Kovarian taking a peek at her in 5x02. Because that is already her real sensoric input overlapping with the sensoric input of the flesh ganger. If you think about the way she disappears from the orphanage leaving behind the recorder, it could actually mean that her current ganger was dissolved. The Silents possibly created a new ganger at the time ship or rather had a spare waiting to be connected. That is why they keep stating that she had been there many days. Her ganger body was. She was coming to her senses there when the signal swapped from one ganger to the other.
I love the part about him saying he'll be as humane as possible, but he still has to do it. He just killed the Amy Ganger after they learned that they were sentient creatures.
When they were wondering why Rory was being do helpful i was like "he's a nurse and nurses help people" 💖 which i feel like is a big part of Rory's character
@@uhhh4049 What is funny is that I originally checked how you spell Bo (if it isn't Bou or something), but it seems I still had to make mistake in the other part of the title xD
The exact phrase was used at least twice. In the episode the sea devils and in the five doctors. And of course just "reverse the polarity" was used a couple of times more. (And it might have been used a couple more times in the audio adventures, but I haven't heard all that many of those)
The Five Doctors doesn't really count; the phrase already had its erroneous reputation by then, and the line in The Five Doctors was a deliberate shout-out to that.
Weirdly enough for Night Terrors, which was meant to be Episode 3 initially, she's wearing different clothes but the Doctor refers to something being in the flesh which was initially going to be set up to this two parter but is now just a reference to the events after the fact.
I like to assume Amy was swapped during the 3 months they were ‘on the run’ from the FBI between Impossible Astronaut and Day of the Moon. At the end of IA, she says she is pregnant, in DotM she says she isn’t and she starts seeing the woman through the door slat.
Amy saw the lady in the door at the orphanage and only after that she was taken by the Silence. EDIT: I am rewatching it and my own comment confused me now, so I can see how it was misinterpreted. The crew had a discussion how Amy could have been switched when kidnapped in The Day of the Moon by the Silence, but here I was pointing out that it can't be because the lady in the door happened before that in the episode. That's it.
No, she can only have seen it after she was first taken. They didn't know that a different faction of the Silence had already replaced her with a Flesh avatar.
I meant the Flesh was taken in the episode. That's what they were talking about and I pointed out she couldn't have been replaced then. I didn't say when she was taken because that is going to be explained.
Presumably the moment the silence took her was during opening of Episode 2 when the TARDIS crew was briefly on the run. Between Amy being transferred to Area 51 she was in fact replaced with a Ganger.
That regeneration question actually has me wondering. If the Ganger Doctor was capable of regeneration, and he did regenerate, would he still regenerate into Peter Capaldi like the real one? Is regeneration really just a *completely* random roll of the die with no other influencing factors, or is each subsequent change also influenced by the Doctor's memories at the time of regeneration? There's been a lot of speculation and theorizing that the Doctor does influence his regeneration's personality and appearance subconsciously to some extent (and I think some other Time Lords could even fully control the process), since each incarnation seems to be a reflection of the previous one's shortcomings in some ways. I'd honestly be curios to see what exactly a Ganger Regeneration would look like...
well that of what we know there must be someway to manipulate the regeneration since The corsair is a thing with his tattoo in all regenerations and the wording to me was he regenerated with the tattoo not just go and get the same one every regeneration. So to me and my headcannon it seems to be more of a whats going on emotionally consciously or subconsciously since in the first episode of peter capaldi he said he choose this face for a reason. So knowing that maybe? If the ganger doctor did everything that the real one does up to the point where matt regenerates sure but if not then prob not i would think.
Ralith This depends entirely on whether the Ganger copied the regeneration limit as well. If he did, then he cannot regenerate. If he didn’t, then he can.
Yes, some can control it completely. In the original series, when Romana regenerated she did so voluntarily, and she ran through a couple of different bodies before going back to the one she tried first. For years I thought she was wasting it until David Tennant grew that new hand, explaining that for the first few hours they could do thiings like that.
Regeneration is granted to gallifryians. Its not natural. So much so thats used as a war tool to reform as monsters in the War. That is why matt smith doctor got more regenerations from gallifrey. Its expanded on in the EU and been said some times in normal show.
When I first saw this a few years ago it too wow'ed me. The fact that roughly 4 episodes ago they did the switch and nobody noticed but maybe the Doctor. I think he said nothing because it might alert the Silence that he knows. The fact the signal from Amy to her doppelganger was able to go to another plain of reality with the Pirate episode and even when they went outside the universe and inside the tardis even. Must be a powerful signal. The fact the Silence made a spaceship that was an attempt to recreate the tardis makes sense now so they could push a signal inside it or cause it to blow up during the events of the pandorica which means this story has been building for nearly 2 seasons. Like you said in season 1 that the story was great. This is a sort of follow on to that story. Looking forward to your reaction next week. :D
@Preceyese Seyeght No, she got pregnant on her wedding night, if she was switched on series 5 episode 1 this wouldn't make any sense, she was switched between series 5 and series 6
It was first said by Jamie MacCrimmon, one of the second Doctor's companions back in 1968, in The Wheel In Space. The Doctor was unavailable and they asked Jamie for his friend's name. He saw it on a piece of equipment. The Third Doctor used it a lot and most of the others used it at least once.
@@dvader518 Yes they should be, you don't have control over peoples actions. People are allowed to excersise their judgment as long as it is respectful. Boycotting a franchise is not disrespectful.
I assumed Amy was taken between Season 5 and Season 6 before her flesh avatar joined the Doctor in Utah. But Aaron made a good point about Amy's replacement taking place in 6x02. I didn't think of that.
I'm pretty sure the Doctor said in one of the episodes that she was taken sometime before they went to America. Also go back and watch 6 X1 because he does mention while he's in the Oval Office that he was looking into something else and he glances at Amy so I'm pretty sure that he already knew she was a flesh Avatar.
I think it was one of the batman cartoon had two green lantern meet. The young one mentioning that you be taken out by a stick, where the old guy retort same for you if I paint it yellow. Eric mentioning green lantern weakness made me think of it.
Between Christmas carol and the impossible astronaut, the doctor dropped amy and rory in present earth for a few months. Amy could've been kidnapped and replaced during then.
When I saw this episode originally, I thought the same thing as Eric; that the woman with the eye patch looked like an old River. Good to know I wasn't the only person to ever think that! (My roommates thought I was crazy to think it, though they hadn't seen it either at that point)
After the previous episode originally aired, a girl on Facebook said she thought Amy was a flesh avatar and that was why the Doctor went to investigate the flesh. People were so hateful to her and treated her like she was an idiot. I kept trying to disprove her but it made so much sense. Obviously she was correct.
I can see how you could arrive at that conclusion based on _The Rebel Flesh._ The Doctor tries to leave Amy and Rory behind at the start. They ask what he's going to do without them but get interrupted by the solar storm. Upon arriving at the castle, he comments on being in the right place, which Amy and Rory question as they think they arrived by accident. The Doctor avoids the question. Then: I need to see your critical systems/Which one?/You know which one. All of those are done quite subtly (or in the latter case could be interpreted as the Doctor bluffing), but when taken together suggest he has deliberately gone there to investigate the flesh. Assuming that to be the case, the question is why? The only logical answer is that he knows someone else is a flesh avatar. We've already had Rory be an Auton duplicate so it seems unlikely that he would be duplicated again, but it fits with the whole question over whether Amy is pregnant or not.
Love the depth of the epic mystery in this adventure, about the deviousness of the Doctor's enemies, the Doctor's multiple misdirections, and the machinations of the Tardis itself in bringing them to the location. Since "The Doctor's Wife" overtly established that the Tardis takes him where he needs to go, in hindsight we see the Doctor picked up that the Flesh would help solve the mystery of Amy's pregnancy, but he couldn't yet tell his companions that. In the course of his discovery he figures out her consciousness was swopped out into an advanced Flesh body that was not pregnant, which helps him solve the Ganger/human conflict at the facility. By swopping shoes with his own Ganger he also learns how to break the signal bonding Amy's psyche to the Flesh, while using the shoe switch to teach his companions about the complexity of the situation. Presenting this complexity about the Time Lord's thousand year existence is one of the chief achievements of Moffat's era.
Yeah, the Doctor destroyed his entire race to stop the Time War and save existence. How bad is it when you go and hurt the people he loves? Pretty bad, I'm thinking.
I may be wrong, but I think most gallifreyans don't get to regenerate, only the ones who become timelords do. So technically the regeneration is not part of the doctor's DNA, just something he acquired.
This is a theory created by fans. The show, books, and audios all specify that there is a Time Lord species and a Time Lord rank. The species can regenerate naturally. The rank can be attained by any species that graduates the Academy, but they can't regenerate.
@@Kasterborous1963 I hear you. And I can't argue with that without going into many major spoilers. Plus the Doctor Who canon is all over the place. But there are many instances in the revival that suggest otherwise.
+Oh Wow It never has been suggested that it's only a rank. The Doctor says on several occasions "Time Lord is my species". A certain President (won't specify who because spoilers) also allowed non-Gallifreyans to be accepted into the Academy and gain the Time Lord rank. It's both a rank and species. The Doctor just happens to qualify as both. Rassilon is a Time Lord, is he not? Well, according to canon, the Academy was founded after his death. If it's only a rank attained by graduating, how can Rassilon have this status as well as the ability to regenerate? There is a lot of evidence that it's both. Even in just the show alone.
I would like, during next episode's discussion, if Aaron would bring up the fact that they wanted to have Jack in that episode and get beheaded to start the Boe process.
It can't be found on youtube, because of automatic censors, but it is on dailymotion or something like that. It's called "The Battle of Demons Run: Two Days Later"
Interesting that you should ask if the Ganger Doctor could regenerate, because we saw that little girl in 'Day of the Moon' regenerate and well, she's...an anomaly. BRING ON THE NEXT EP! Love 'A Good Man Goes To War' for so many reasons.
I was going to say that, but you got there first...by a whole week. Yes, I know about the Patreon thing, but can't really afford it. It's okay though, I love these short reactions.
I all ways find it dumb in fictional storys when people think artificial beings don't feel actual emotions. Just because an ai's brain is made of metal instead of flesh doesn't mean that it magically doesn't feel emotions, all our emotions are just chemicals and electrical signals in our brain but god forbid that something is programmed to feel emotions. If a copy is made of you that has the exact same memories as you and can feel the same emotions as you then it is literally you. Imagine if there were two pods you go in one pod to clone yourself and then suddenly you wake up in the other pod only to realize your the clone and just have the memory of entering the other pod and all the other memories of the "original" and suddenly no one cares about you because you aren't the "original" even though you are the same in every way. CLONE RIGHTS GOD D*****
It was between ep 1 and 2, because in ep 1 the future doctor (who would have known she was pregnant) tells Amy that she's gained a few pounds and if they had already captured Amy they would have kept her ganger from gaining weight
I think Rory was sympathetic to the gangers because he has memories of being plastic for 2,000 years. He probably knows how it feels to believe that you were human even tho physically you weren't.
I think he's also a pretty nice guy who can help other people regardless of their background, from his experience as a nurse.
The best thing about this was having Tom Bakers voice come out Matt Smiths mouth "would you like a jellybaby?"
Calvins face aahahhaha
“Considering what we’ve learned I’ll do this as humane as I can now I need to do this so you need to STAND AWAY.”
Matt Smith was brilliant at sudden outright emotional anger! What a great Doctor.
I love how Eric gets SOOO CLOOOSE... just not quite in the way he's expecting.
I believe Amy was switched when she was in that first room with all the silence on the ceiling, if you remember they all wake up and get all mad and stuff, and suddenly the door opens and everything's fine. Then the next scene we see her in we get the first sliding door wall thing
Demons run... when a good man goes to war..
Night will fall and drown the sun... when a good man goes to war..
Friendship dies and true love lies... Night will fall and dark will rise... When a good man goes to war...
Demons run, but count the cost. The battle is won, but the child is lost.
The next five lines were cut from the episode:
The fight goes on but what’s it for... when a good man goes to war
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Now rise the sun, now dawn the day
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When good men run and women stay,
When battle’s done and nothing’s won,
It’s a woman’s work to say
:
_Well then, soldier, how goes the day?_
Bring on the monks!
We were first introduced to the flesh in Silence In the Library. The avatar that warned the Doctor and Donna to leave was a flesh avatar.
OH GODS, YOU'RE RIGHT. I never made that connection.
@@Rot8erConeX that two parter is one of my favorites and I watched it shortly after this episode and was in shock. Moffat is sneaky like that. Lol.
@@frozenpiper2even the name of the episode by moffat introduces the villains intentionally or not
"Silence" in the Library'
Demons run when a good man goes to war
Night will fall and drown in sun
When a good man goes to war
Friendship dies and true love lies
Night will fall and the dark will rise
When a good man goes to war
Demons run but count the cost
The battles won but the child is lost
The fight goes on but what’s it for
when a good man goes to war
Now rise the sun, now dawn the day
When good men run and women stay
When battle’s done and nothing’s won
It’s a woman’s work to say
Well then, soldier, how goes the day?
The ep keeps you so busy tracking which one is the real one... you don't have time to figure out the TWIST at the end! Muahahahaaaa!!!
Especially since they expected Rory to be a Fleshy thing so he can be killed again.
I kind of did. During this episode of the 2-parter, it became clear how heavy-handed the themes were. Too heavy-handed. It had to be leading somewhere, to some twist with the main characters. Unlikely the Doctor and Rory was the obvious choice, so it had to be Amy...
Well, if you think about it, when the guy's in the control pod for the flesh, him and the flesh are basically in sync. They both expect to be piloting this body from a safe place. So when it's time to disconnect, they both merrily do so... but then they separate. The original wakes up in the pod like they expect to, and the Flesh just goes "... what's going on? Why didn't I go back to the pod? Why am I still here? Oh JESUS I'm about to die!" over and over each time they make a new one, a version of yourself gets very very surprised when they don't disconnect like they expect to. And then they die.
And because she has a photographic memory, the Gengar Jennifer remembers every. single. one.
@@Rot8erConeX Well if you put it like that the Ganger-Jennifer only should remeber every single time she woke up in the opd until she once did not. Since she is a fresh copy of the human who did just that. There is some odd memory transfer stuff going on that is not exclusive to her at all.
@@michaelklaus I always suspected it was due to the "pile of Jennifer" they found.
Eric has to stop grilling Aaron, he's doing so well with the secrecy. Next week is going to be crazy.
He just wants answers just like all of us did back then!
This Series felt like a self contained movie. "Considering what we've learned I'll do this as humane as I can but I need to do this and you need you to stand away", ooohhh shivers...
When this goofy silly Doctor shows an ice-cold edge of the man who won the Time War.
Next week we get to see them react to:
>River Song’s identity.
>Colonel Runaway.
>”A message from the doctor and a question from me.”
>”Never will be... SURPRISE”
>”We get that word from you, you know”
>”How can a time lord be a weapon!”... “well they’ve seen you”... “me?....”
>We get to meet Vastra, Jenny and Strax
> 3 minutes and 40 seconds
> “We are no fools”
Gilanes the hype is real
The great thing is, for us, is a mid season finale. For them, it’s just an episode in the middle of the season. They have no idea and won’t be expecting such a insane episode.
AMELIA POND....... GET YOUR COAT !
Would you like me to repeat the question?
YOU A PIECE OF SH*T! Why you spoil?!!!
All things considered, « A good man goes to war » is probably my favorite thing Moffat did on DW. So many fantastic moments, and such a beautiful ending scene (Matt Smith and Alex Kingston at the peak of their chemistry). I hope they’ll enjoy it.
They're.
So.
Close.
Next episode is fantastic.
Kate Absolutely Fantastic!
(very late but very worth it)
Like me, none of them noticed that Amy has been wearing the same shirt and jeans since ep 1. Very subtle hints...
@Preceyese Seyeght no they didn't
@Preceyese-Seyeght If we go by what you say. Then Rory and the real Amy never had a chance to do the deed to make River.
@Preceyese-Seyeght You're forgetting the simple fact that the entire reason River can regenerate, is due to being conceived, while Amy and Rory are on the TARDIS.
@Preceyese-Seyeght And in a later episode, the Doctor mentions the first time Amy and Rory would have had sex, after the universe reset, would be on their wedding night, in the TARDIS. Explaining as to how River can regenerate.
I understand you have headcanon. But you are just straight up ignoring what the show tells you.
@Preceyese-Seyeght Oh, I'm the wrong one?
1. It was 12 years that the Doctor had skipped in the episode The Eleventh Hour. Not 2, you simpleton.
2. The Doctor was the mysterious figure in the house, in The Eleventh Hour. This was the Doctor that had entered the crack in the wall, in The Big Bang.
3. River being conceived while the TARDIS is in flight, is the official canon reason as to why she can regenerate.
Again, there is headcanon, but you are ignoring what the show tells you.
I love how starting about 11:30 all of their jaws start dropping at the revelation. Except Aaron, who has seen all the episodes, that is.
"I am so lost."
It's incredible how often that phrase comes up in Moffat's Who.
Very true Sativa Sam. Chibnall is a mundane snooze-fest.
@@jasonhowle1821 Personally, so far I prefer Chibnall. It feels more like Classic Who, and I like that about it.
@@jasonhowle1821 I suppose that depends on what you want from your sci fi. The sci fi I generally like is when it uses the medium to take contemporary issues and explore them in a science fiction setting to make them more palatable, such as Genesis of the Daleks. I like Star Trek Next Generation and the Battlestar Galactica reboot because they often do that, putting characters in morally comprising situations to see how they react. Even the episodes of Doctor Who that I like most are ones either grounded in character, or that delve into topical issues. It's the same in literature; Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World, Left Hand of Darkness, could all be considered sci fi, but they transcend the genre and continue to be read because they don't tie themselves to the genre. To me, saying a person needs to be a sci fi writer is telling them to limit the stories they can tell to a specific area, and I, personally, wouldn't watch that show. A show shouldn't speak only to one core audience: it should be able to speak to anyone.
@@Windupchronic I can respect that, but for me so far, Chibnall's era is feeling less like Doctor Who, and more like some random Sci-Fi show no one's ever heard of. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you on Moffat's era. Things felt a lot more fantastical and they twisted your brain around a lot, sometimes not in a good way. But it still felt like Doctor Who even if I don't totally love the direction they went with the story arcs. The individual episodes were fun and exciting, and I just don't feel that with *any* episode of Series 11 so far. I don't even feel like the episodes are thought-provoking in any way, which is even worse. I'm sticking with Doctor Who in the hopes that I find the show I've been watching for the past 13 years. But that hope is dwindling...
@@Windupchronic I feel the exact opposite lol. I like technobabble and imagined sci fi lore. We've had enough episodes in the rebirthed era of Doctor Who examining the human and "timelord" conditions.
I always thought Amy was taken in the three months between episode 1 & 2 of this season, as she said she was pregnant before and in the 2nd ep she admitted that she wasn't, she just thought she had been. And she saw that slide-woman before she got abducted by the Silence, if I remember correctly. Great discussion and reaction, guys :)
If you go back and watch the first episode in Series 6 when the Doctor, Amy, Rory, and River are in the Oval Office the doctor says that he also was checking into something else and he glances at Amy. He already knew she was a flesh Avatar at that point. He also states that she was taken some time before going to America.
frozenpiper2 cool, I totally forgot about that. ^.^°
or maybe taken in the bathroom of the White House.
Possible, yeah.
@Preceyese Seyeght That is obviously not what happens at all. They abducted her AFTER she got pregnant which happened, if you might recall watching the episode after this one, in their wedding night. What River findds is the evidence that the Pandorica is a trap and the Romans are Nestine footsoldiers. none of the evidence there is connected to their plans after the Pandorica.
We can only narrow it down to a point in her timeline after she found out she was pregnant and the first time she saw Mrs. Kovarian taking a peek at her in 5x02. Because that is already her real sensoric input overlapping with the sensoric input of the flesh ganger.
If you think about the way she disappears from the orphanage leaving behind the recorder, it could actually mean that her current ganger was dissolved. The Silents possibly created a new ganger at the time ship or rather had a spare waiting to be connected. That is why they keep stating that she had been there many days. Her ganger body was. She was coming to her senses there when the signal swapped from one ganger to the other.
Oh yes The Next Episode where Moffat spends most of it trolling The Fan Base to think The Doctor is The Father 😂
And by "most" you mean the first two and a half minutes.
also when they asked him a certain question he answers that is his but he referrer about another thing
I love the part about him saying he'll be as humane as possible, but he still has to do it. He just killed the Amy Ganger after they learned that they were sentient creatures.
"At least it's a new sound" LMFAAAAAAO
When they were wondering why Rory was being do helpful i was like "he's a nurse and nurses help people" 💖 which i feel like is a big part of Rory's character
I need an early early access tier. I can not wait until the next episode. The anticipation is going to kill me.
But this is early access lol
But I feel you I can't wait for next week!
@@chronics23 I said early early access. Like extra early. Like give me that episode now. Lol! Sometimes I'm not good at being patient.
@@brandih9744 ah my bad only saw the one early lol I get you though I can't wait for next week gonna be awesome!
Aaron you should mention to them that Jack was supposed to become headless monk next few episodes - leading to him becoming Face of Bo.
@@uhhh4049 What is funny is that I originally checked how you spell Bo (if it isn't Bou or something), but it seems I still had to make mistake in the other part of the title xD
I am ready to pop waiting for the next one!
Silence will fall... when a good man goes to war.
Don't eat pears.
I completely forgot about that twist. It's so great seeing it again with you guys.
The "reverse polarity of the neutron flow" wasn't actually common. The third doctor was known for saying it, but he only ever said it once.
coladict but he did say Very similar things
The exact phrase was used at least twice. In the episode the sea devils and in the five doctors.
And of course just "reverse the polarity" was used a couple of times more.
(And it might have been used a couple more times in the audio adventures, but I haven't heard all that many of those)
? Tennant said it twice in an episode
The Five Doctors doesn't really count; the phrase already had its erroneous reputation by then, and the line in The Five Doctors was a deliberate shout-out to that.
And he didn't say it once, hes said it a few times. Theres a compilation on RUclips
Flesh Amy is wearing the same clothes from 1st episode till now. Sort of a subtle clue that this isn't the real Amy.
Weirdly enough for Night Terrors, which was meant to be Episode 3 initially, she's wearing different clothes but the Doctor refers to something being in the flesh which was initially going to be set up to this two parter but is now just a reference to the events after the fact.
This arc is so good. All the guessing and the twists. Miss the good old days of 11 and the Ponds.
Boy howdy I've been waiting for this all day
I like to assume Amy was swapped during the 3 months they were ‘on the run’ from the FBI between Impossible Astronaut and Day of the Moon. At the end of IA, she says she is pregnant, in DotM she says she isn’t and she starts seeing the woman through the door slat.
Fun note, the Golden Age Green Lantern from the 1940s couldn't use his power on wood.
Amy saw the lady in the door at the orphanage and only after that she was taken by the Silence.
EDIT: I am rewatching it and my own comment confused me now, so I can see how it was misinterpreted. The crew had a discussion how Amy could have been switched when kidnapped in The Day of the Moon by the Silence, but here I was pointing out that it can't be because the lady in the door happened before that in the episode. That's it.
No, she can only have seen it after she was first taken. They didn't know that a different faction of the Silence had already replaced her with a Flesh avatar.
She was taken before the season began.
I meant the Flesh was taken in the episode. That's what they were talking about and I pointed out she couldn't have been replaced then. I didn't say when she was taken because that is going to be explained.
Presumably the moment the silence took her was during opening of Episode 2 when the TARDIS crew was briefly on the run. Between Amy being transferred to Area 51 she was in fact replaced with a Ganger.
@@snowy2583 they say when she mist have been taken in A Good Man Goes to War
Demons run when a good man goes to war.
That regeneration question actually has me wondering. If the Ganger Doctor was capable of regeneration, and he did regenerate, would he still regenerate into Peter Capaldi like the real one? Is regeneration really just a *completely* random roll of the die with no other influencing factors, or is each subsequent change also influenced by the Doctor's memories at the time of regeneration?
There's been a lot of speculation and theorizing that the Doctor does influence his regeneration's personality and appearance subconsciously to some extent (and I think some other Time Lords could even fully control the process), since each incarnation seems to be a reflection of the previous one's shortcomings in some ways. I'd honestly be curios to see what exactly a Ganger Regeneration would look like...
well that of what we know there must be someway to manipulate the regeneration since The corsair is a thing with his tattoo in all regenerations and the wording to me was he regenerated with the tattoo not just go and get the same one every regeneration. So to me and my headcannon it seems to be more of a whats going on emotionally consciously or subconsciously since in the first episode of peter capaldi he said he choose this face for a reason. So knowing that maybe? If the ganger doctor did everything that the real one does up to the point where matt regenerates sure but if not then prob not i would think.
Ralith This depends entirely on whether the Ganger copied the regeneration limit as well. If he did, then he cannot regenerate. If he didn’t, then he can.
Yes, some can control it completely. In the original series, when Romana regenerated she did so voluntarily, and she ran through a couple of different bodies before going back to the one she tried first. For years I thought she was wasting it until David Tennant grew that new hand, explaining that for the first few hours they could do thiings like that.
Regeneration is granted to gallifryians. Its not natural. So much so thats used as a war tool to reform as monsters in the War. That is why matt smith doctor got more regenerations from gallifrey.
Its expanded on in the EU and been said some times in normal show.
that endinggg was one of my favorites
When I first saw this a few years ago it too wow'ed me. The fact that roughly 4 episodes ago they did the switch and nobody noticed but maybe the Doctor. I think he said nothing because it might alert the Silence that he knows. The fact the signal from Amy to her doppelganger was able to go to another plain of reality with the Pirate episode and even when they went outside the universe and inside the tardis even. Must be a powerful signal. The fact the Silence made a spaceship that was an attempt to recreate the tardis makes sense now so they could push a signal inside it or cause it to blow up during the events of the pandorica which means this story has been building for nearly 2 seasons. Like you said in season 1 that the story was great. This is a sort of follow on to that story. Looking forward to your reaction next week. :D
They did the switch before America.
@Preceyese Seyeght No, she got pregnant on her wedding night, if she was switched on series 5 episode 1 this wouldn't make any sense, she was switched between series 5 and series 6
8:31, Eric, john smith is the name the doctor uses sometimes, mostly when undercover. He used it in school reunion back in series 2
It was first said by Jamie MacCrimmon, one of the second Doctor's companions back in 1968, in The Wheel In Space. The Doctor was unavailable and they asked Jamie for his friend's name. He saw it on a piece of equipment. The Third Doctor used it a lot and most of the others used it at least once.
@@sebradfield i know, but some of them haven't seen that from the old series. i was mentioning an example that they have seen.
@@nightwingjosh8491 I understand. I just wanted to show that it's a very old tradition now. All cool.
@@sebradfield i know, jamie is among my favorite male companions
Calvin: It's like one of those things! From....
Eric: ......That game we played.
Calvin: Yeah!
I feel like I’ve been waiting my whole life to watch them react to the ending of this episode!
"Hello I'm The Doctor"
"No we moved on"
I feel that part was written for The Tennant fans who can't accept he is no longer The Doctor
it seems that they already moved on
Erin Wilborn And Star Wars fans who can’t accept TLJ should take heed as well.
@@dvader518 People are allowed to dislike things.
Zack Haik Sure they can. But they should NOT be allowed to hate it to the point of wanting revenge (I.e., boycott) or abandoning the franchise.
@@dvader518 Yes they should be, you don't have control over peoples actions. People are allowed to excersise their judgment as long as it is respectful. Boycotting a franchise is not disrespectful.
in this season i stated making a mental note of who was directing (moffats run is so fun)
Next week we will see one of the best reveals in TV history.
I've literally been counting down days till next week's episode. I CANNOT WAIT!!!!
The next episode is going to be great!
The entire point of this episode was to make the Amy pawn seeing people checking on her through a little hatch work out without too much disbelief
"Oh, no! Wood! My only weakness!"
I assumed Amy was taken between Season 5 and Season 6 before her flesh avatar joined the Doctor in Utah. But Aaron made a good point about Amy's replacement taking place in 6x02. I didn't think of that.
I'm pretty sure the Doctor said in one of the episodes that she was taken sometime before they went to America. Also go back and watch 6 X1 because he does mention while he's in the Oval Office that he was looking into something else and he glances at Amy so I'm pretty sure that he already knew she was a flesh Avatar.
I think it was one of the batman cartoon had two green lantern meet. The young one mentioning that you be taken out by a stick, where the old guy retort same for you if I paint it yellow. Eric mentioning green lantern weakness made me think of it.
Amy thought that the Ganger doctor was the real one because she was a Ganger. Took ages for it to hit me.
Eric and Shane will be pleased that this is the last two-parter until the end of Capaldi's first season.
Not the last cliffhanger, but the last two parter.
The only moment it makes sense for the switch is between episode 1 and 2. Because in episode 2 is when she first see's the lady.
Coincidentally it was '66 that Paul McCartney supposedly died and was replaced; and this episode is S6 E6 / 6-6 / '66.
And we've been left with The Almost Paul ever since. aka Faul.
"Demons run. When a good man goes to war." cannot wait
sameeeee
Omg !!! Best episodes incoming!!!! My heartbeat is like 150 per minute
Between Christmas carol and the impossible astronaut, the doctor dropped amy and rory in present earth for a few months. Amy could've been kidnapped and replaced during then.
Been waiting for the closing scenes reaction for weeks. Can't wait for them to experience Demon's Run next week!!! Going to be epic!!!
so unbelievably excited for the next episode
Halfway through this episode I was thinking oh this is where it begins
Love these Doctor Who reactions
That Mario comment by Eric at 20:21 reminds me of when the show itself uses Mario as a metaphor in a future story.
When I saw this episode originally, I thought the same thing as Eric; that the woman with the eye patch looked like an old River. Good to know I wasn't the only person to ever think that! (My roommates thought I was crazy to think it, though they hadn't seen it either at that point)
A Good Man Goes to War next week!! Oh my God, I am so excited!
After the previous episode originally aired, a girl on Facebook said she thought Amy was a flesh avatar and that was why the Doctor went to investigate the flesh. People were so hateful to her and treated her like she was an idiot. I kept trying to disprove her but it made so much sense. Obviously she was correct.
frozenpiper2 honestly sometimes whovians are such morons 😂
@GhostPlay I'm sure she did but I could never find the thread again to see how she reacted.
I can see how you could arrive at that conclusion based on _The Rebel Flesh._
The Doctor tries to leave Amy and Rory behind at the start. They ask what he's going to do without them but get interrupted by the solar storm. Upon arriving at the castle, he comments on being in the right place, which Amy and Rory question as they think they arrived by accident. The Doctor avoids the question. Then: I need to see your critical systems/Which one?/You know which one.
All of those are done quite subtly (or in the latter case could be interpreted as the Doctor bluffing), but when taken together suggest he has deliberately gone there to investigate the flesh. Assuming that to be the case, the question is why? The only logical answer is that he knows someone else is a flesh avatar. We've already had Rory be an Auton duplicate so it seems unlikely that he would be duplicated again, but it fits with the whole question over whether Amy is pregnant or not.
@@TheMoonRover absolutely. The same applies in 6x01. The Doctor said he was looking into something else and glances at Amy. He already knew.
Can't wait for next week. It's time for a message and a question.
So looking forward to A Good Man goes to War
Remember that there was a 3 month gap between the first 2 episodes.
Guys, couldn't you do one extra WHO reaction this week? The next episode is sooooooo kickass. I don't wanna wait a whole week to see it!!
You could do Patreon if you really wanted but I'm waiting too.
Love the depth of the epic mystery in this adventure, about the deviousness of the Doctor's enemies, the Doctor's multiple misdirections, and the machinations of the Tardis itself in bringing them to the location. Since "The Doctor's Wife" overtly established that the Tardis takes him where he needs to go, in hindsight we see the Doctor picked up that the Flesh would help solve the mystery of Amy's pregnancy, but he couldn't yet tell his companions that.
In the course of his discovery he figures out her consciousness was swopped out into an advanced Flesh body that was not pregnant, which helps him solve the Ganger/human conflict at the facility. By swopping shoes with his own Ganger he also learns how to break the signal bonding Amy's psyche to the Flesh, while using the shoe switch to teach his companions about the complexity of the situation. Presenting this complexity about the Time Lord's thousand year existence is one of the chief achievements of Moffat's era.
Like I've said... wanna see the Doctor angry? Next week.
Yeah, the Doctor destroyed his entire race to stop the Time War and save existence.
How bad is it when you go and hurt the people he loves?
Pretty bad, I'm thinking.
I may be wrong, but I think most gallifreyans don't get to regenerate, only the ones who become timelords do. So technically the regeneration is not part of the doctor's DNA, just something he acquired.
This is a theory created by fans. The show, books, and audios all specify that there is a Time Lord species and a Time Lord rank. The species can regenerate naturally. The rank can be attained by any species that graduates the Academy, but they can't regenerate.
@@Kasterborous1963 I hear you. And I can't argue with that without going into many major spoilers. Plus the Doctor Who canon is all over the place. But there are many instances in the revival that suggest otherwise.
+Oh Wow It never has been suggested that it's only a rank. The Doctor says on several occasions "Time Lord is my species". A certain President (won't specify who because spoilers) also allowed non-Gallifreyans to be accepted into the Academy and gain the Time Lord rank. It's both a rank and species. The Doctor just happens to qualify as both.
Rassilon is a Time Lord, is he not? Well, according to canon, the Academy was founded after his death. If it's only a rank attained by graduating, how can Rassilon have this status as well as the ability to regenerate?
There is a lot of evidence that it's both. Even in just the show alone.
Next week is epic! Can't wait for that one
I would like, during next episode's discussion, if Aaron would bring up the fact that they wanted to have Jack in that episode and get beheaded to start the Boe process.
I like that Eric also figured out they'd switch shoes.
It becomes pretty obvious that they're gonna do a switch-eroo as soon as Amy starts going on about "Well I trust you, but not HIM" stuff
** spoiler-ish **
Don't forget to watch the minisode about what happened to Strax, Vastra and Jenny after the battle next week 💙💙💙
Those three really deserved their own mystery/comedy spinoff
It can't be found on youtube, because of automatic censors, but it is on dailymotion or something like that.
It's called "The Battle of Demons Run: Two Days Later"
Amy was replaced during the 3months between "The Impossible Astronaut" and "Day of the Moon".
Interesting that you should ask if the Ganger Doctor could regenerate, because we saw that little girl in 'Day of the Moon' regenerate and well, she's...an anomaly. BRING ON THE NEXT EP! Love 'A Good Man Goes To War' for so many reasons.
I love Aaron in the thumbnail of this video
In the next episode, a good Roman shall go to war...
the ganger said she would know what she would pick as the password.
Now I'm a Tennant man meself, but good God, do I love this arc.
Always have.
Now we’re cooking with dark matter
The original Green Lantern also couldn't do wood. I wonder if Doctor Who got it from that.
I was going to say that, but you got there first...by a whole week. Yes, I know about the Patreon thing, but can't really afford it. It's okay though, I love these short reactions.
I want all the non-patreon fans to know that when you’re watching this, I’m currently watching their reaction to a good man goes to war
Gilanes okay okay don't rub it in 😂
*_The battle is won but the child is lost_*
I'm sooooo ready for the next episode!!!!
These two episodes addressed a concern I had about the movie Avatar.
I love this I can't wait for next week
Wasn’t there a song from like the 70’s that went “send in the clones?” 😉
Can’t wait for the 50th anniversary reaction
Thank fuck this is up. I got very worried it wouldn’t come until I woke up xx
I have been waiting for this
onto the next!~
teared up with the son lol
I all ways find it dumb in fictional storys when people think artificial beings don't feel actual emotions. Just because an ai's brain is made of metal instead of flesh doesn't mean that it magically doesn't feel emotions, all our emotions are just chemicals and electrical signals in our brain but god forbid that something is programmed to feel emotions. If a copy is made of you that has the exact same memories as you and can feel the same emotions as you then it is literally you. Imagine if there were two pods you go in one pod to clone yourself and then suddenly you wake up in the other pod only to realize your the clone and just have the memory of entering the other pod and all the other memories of the "original" and suddenly no one cares about you because you aren't the "original" even though you are the same in every way. CLONE RIGHTS GOD D*****
It was between ep 1 and 2, because in ep 1 the future doctor (who would have known she was pregnant) tells Amy that she's gained a few pounds and if they had already captured Amy they would have kept her ganger from gaining weight
I don't remember this plot reveal too well, only watched this season once when it aired on tv. Do they say when the Amy switch was?