Yes, these gangers only became conscious beings because of the solar storm. The Flesh Amy was just a copy, an 'avatar' so to speak. It had no mind of it's own.
Yeah, that's definitely how it works, and the Doctor knew it. That's why he told the Amy ganger he was coming for her: he knew it was really Amy controlling the ganger, and he wanted her to know that no matter where she's about to wake up, he and Rory are coming for her.
No. At 17:24 "Given what we've learned I'll be as humane as I can but I need to do this *and you need to stand away!*" The Doctor is angry that he has to kill the flesh avatar he just learned is a real person - Amelia Pond no less. Rory figures that out when he realizes he's not talking with the weird uncle Doctor but instead the angry god Doctor.
@@Disillusioned_JELly I believe that gluuuuue is correct. When the gangers become human, they get their own consciousness that is separate from the original. If that were true for Amy's ganger, then Amy would not have woken up as soon as it was destroyed.
@@MarieAnne. There is the added issue that the flesh remains conscious even AFTER the original consciousness leaves the body (remember the piles of decommissioned flesh left to rot), so Amy being separated from her ganger would likely have left a ganger with its own consciousness from that point on. You can look at it as the doctor killing something that isn't yet alive in its own right, but which could (or even should) be.
It’s confusing at first but no he didn’t “kill” dopple Amy, there never was a doppelgänger. He destroyed a puppet that was being controlled by Amy’s consciousnesses, hence she wakes up when the puppet is destroyed. The other puppets developed into individual sentient beings which made them true doppelgängers. Two completely different things.
Paula stresseating just after the reveal is so fantastic to see.And her thoughts going every way in her head has never been so clearly visible on her face. I enjoy this so much. Next time more minds blown :P
If you recall, Amy sees the eye patch lady before she goes into the room where she finds a picture of herself with a baby, so she was already Flesh by then. I believe Moffat has said she was Flesh from the start of The Impossible Astronaut, so she would have been abducted sometime between A Christmas Carol and Astronaut. Can't wait for next episode. Paula's going to need more French Fries! 🍟😀
I actually think.it happened when she was on the run on her own at start of second.episode as in first she says to doctor she thinks she's pregnant and she feels sick at.white house then by second episode she is.fine and says to doctor she was wrong and not pregnant (because she's a copy)
Amy was flesh before the room with the pictures, because she first sees the eyepatch lady before she enters that room! I suspect she was taken in the Whitehouse bathroom.
I mentioned this in another comment, but you have to wonder why the Silence kidnapped Amy again after she entered the room with all of the pictures? She was already a ganger by then (so they already had the real Amy in their custody somewhere), it doesn't make any sense.
@@Mrazmatmahmood It does if they were testing the doctor , learning how he would respond. This may be why they allied with the guys in cloaks next week! ;-) (Trying to be as spoiler free as possible)
@@cutthr0atjake I could buy that if the Silence weren't so dreadfully unprepared for the Doctor turning up. Let's face it, the Doctor and River owned the Silence at the end. Kidnapping Amy for a second time was a huge mistake and pointless and it led to their defeat.
@@Mrazmatmahmood 1 Amy or 2? I'll take two please just like Rory in "time and space" lol Seriously though I think it is to lure the Doctor to them and they didn't want to risk the real pregnant Amy so the fake Amy served their purposes. ALSO, timey wimey confusion maybe the fake Amy served other purposes at that time. I had several theories that probably aren't right on that but that gets complicated sooo the simpler slightly less logical explanation is they weren't done with the real Amy yet even though you see the picture of her with the baby that is from the future of the fake Amy at that point in her time lol soo complicated but so goood :)
The gangers gained consciousness because of how that vat had 'mutated'. This Amy wasnt an 'independent' sentient copy, she was puppeted unknowingly by real Amy using regular flesh tech. The Doctor said to flesh Amy 'Im coming for you', knowing he was talking to was real Amy remotely. The real Amy wakes up and is shocked to find she's pregnant, because from her perspective she's been walking round with The Doctor for the last 9 months, not an independent copy of her. The gangers had become actually independent, so The Doctor didnt have a double standard by protecting them but 'splatting' Amy.
Paula stress eating french fries at the end of this video is adorable, especially as Katrina knew the truth and had to keep her emotions in check, to keep the secret from getting out.
My Top 5 Doctor Who Episodes: 1. Heaven Sent (Season 9, episode 11) 2. Blink (Season 3, episode 10) 3. A Christmas Carol (Season 6, episode 0) 4. A Good Man Goes To War (Season 6, episode 7) 5. Listen (Season 8, episode 4)
As people have already said - she would've been taken before going inside that room. Additionally on the point that 'he killed her after just proving that the Flesh people are still people' - For the most part the Flesh are just avatars for the 'real' people. It was just because of the solar storm that the ones on the island were separated from their 'drivers'. So, The Doctor 'killing' Amy wasn't him killing a version of her - it was just him breaking the connection between 'driver' and 'avatar'.
Yeah if real Amy dies so would the copy, cause her conscience would be gone. Idk why people have a hard time figuring out the difference from her Flesh and the Gangers
The Doctor said he wanted to see the flesh in its early forms to understand it better. I assumed that the version of flesh being used on Amy is more advanced, and more an avatar Amy was unknowingly using, than it was another actual person.
The Doctor said he thought Amy had been taken before America, which means it was a flesh avatar the entire season. The Amy avatar was not it’s own being like the Gangers in this story. It was Amy’s consciousness controlling it. The Doctor just woke Amy up by destroying her avatar.
they used a clip of tom baker and david tennant's voices at the start, but more subtle matt smith also said some lines of past doctors 'some day we will get back, some day' (1st doctor) 'jo reverse the polarity of the nutron flow!' (3rd doctor)
Amy was definitely a Ganger BEFORE she was "captured" by the Silence in the room with the photos. Remember, she'd seen the Eye-Patch Lady in the door to that room a minute earlier. So, she was probably captured earlier, like in the White House. As the Silence automatically erase the memory of anyone who sees them, she could've easily been taken then as she was alone in the Bathroom there.
*Ah, yes! You noticed* that William Morgan Sheppard (old Canton) also played Ira Graves in TNGs 'The Schizoid Man'!👍 Love that pure joy! Also, wonderful to see that reaction to yet another _really_ weird and shocking cliffhanger! Looking forward to all that awaits you in the next episode, haha! This season really doesn't give you any break, eh?!😅
Remember, the flesh don't normally duplicate a subject's mind; the ones there did because of the freak electrical storm. Normally the subject mentally inhabits them through remote control. That's what was going on with Amy's ganger. So the Doctor didn't kill anyone by disincorporating it.
The Doctor didn't kill a copy Amy...the other dobblegangers were the flesh at the beginning of the technology, animated by the storm into real people. Presumably the dobbleganger Amy was made of updated flesh technology and wasn't ever animated into life. Her dobbleganger was just a puppet for the real Amy.
The switch happened before that room. If you remember, the eye-patch lady peeked through the sliding port as Any entered that room. Also, the Doctor said it happened before America. So.... flesh the whole series so far...
I re-watched from 9th doctor on from last October through January (where Amazon dropped it in prep for the deal with HBO Max getting it, so I was a couple episodes into the 12th Doctor's second season so I had to wait until late May to resume). I really enjoyed revisiting it, especially some of the 12th Doctor stuff I had only seen once time around. But the early stuff I had on while I was working so I wasn't paying as close attention to it as I should. Debating starting ...again, and paying closer attention to take it all in. But first, finish my re-watch of Torchwood, which I haven't seen since the original air dates.
No, Amy's abduction was prior to America... 'Eye Patch Lady' (to avoid her real name) appeared in the door of that child's room and Amy got curious, ergo she is already Flesh there
W Morgan Shepphard was a big crossover guy. He was in multiple star trek series and played multiple characters in Babylon 5. For me though he was always the narrator of the Medal of honour games back in the 90s, one of the first great game voice overs.
I love it when time lines up perfectly. Just sat down after making a yummy breakfast sandwich for my 2nd breakfast of the day and this video just got uploaded.
Your minds were blown before the episode started. This episode just picked up the pieces and threw them at the wall! Next weeks is my absolute favourite of all time.
And also the Doctor that Amy revealed the Lake Silencio fiasco to was actually the real Doctor, so he now knows at least that his death is upcoming and that Amy's seen it. I mean, he knows a lot more about it of course, he just doesn't KNOW that he knows. But he'll circle back around. 😉
I don't exactly know how long she's been flesh, but it was before she was alone at the orphanage. The woman opened the door to the room with the baby picture to get her there. As well as the fact that he said "before America", so in Impossible Astronaut she was already gone. Also, Amy's ganger is different. Instead of making a copy, her consciousness was only in one of them. It's slightly different then the other gangers.
I have been waiting to say this sense the first episode of series 6. There has been one big clue that Amy was a ganger from the first episode. She wares the same cloths in every episode. The only time she changes is into all black in the second episode when they visit the abandoned children's home. I didn't notice and when it was pointed out to me it blew my mind. So obvious yet hidden in plain sight, genius really. This is a very layered episode and I love it. Can't wait for next time oh boy next time.
A thing to remember is, the Doctor is fascinated and curious by new things and things he doesnt understand. Whilst others run from the unknown he runs towards it. Like with the rebel flesh, yes he could understand what's going on with Amy more by being there, but at the same time he also wants to just discover everything about them out of fascination. So maybe he could have just not bothered going through all the shenanigans of this two parter and just gone to find the real Amy, but that's not the Doctors style, he NEEDS to interfere enough in these situations to fulfill his desire to know more about everything. As shown by him just melting flesh Amy, its like hes learnt enough and time to move on when he could have taken flesh Amy somewhere far and save to live. He is far from perfect and that's what makes him relatable.
A lot of people are saying that Doppel-Amy wasn't like the other Gangers in that her concsiousness (i can't spell that word) was beamed directly into the 'flesh' body meaning that when The Doctor destroyed it, he was essentially just destroying and non-sentient puppet. The problem with this, of course, is that, supposedly this is what was happening with all the gangers. I think we can simply put it down to a bit of lazy writing. WE make the point that copies of humans ane as human as humans themselves - all fine and dandy, but when we need a twist, to hell with that and hope nobody notices.
"...You ain´t seen nothing yet! b-b-b-baby, you just ain´t seen n-n-n-nothing yet! There´s something... There´s something you never will f-f-f-forget..."
Okay the only reason these particular gangers became self-concouis was the solar storm. ganger Amy is just an avatar, and the real Amy who is sleeping in Demon's run is controlling her. OF COURSE Doctor wouldn't kill a sentient self concouis Amy.
Nope Amy been flesh before S6 but after S5 if you remember she saw the eyepatch woman before she get kidnapped by the silence. Also flesh Amy wasn't an individual she was just a vessel for the real Amy consciousness unlike the other flesh who gained there owned consciousness because of the storm.
I believe The Doctor has a line in the next episode that refutes what Katrina said about Amy being taken at the haunted orphanage. Mum's the word till then. Best. Leo.
15:32 I actually had an uncle who, when he was two years old, wandered into my grandfather's greenhouse and licked the cap of a caustic pesticide. The acid burned down his throat and through to his heart. Obviously this was a long time ago, my own father wasn't yet born. What makes it a little eerie for me is that I am apparently the spitting image of that uncle. My grandmother even once mistook me for him the final time I saw her before her death.
@ 3:27 : "So they cast his father." I did not know that! Do you know that little Amelia Pond is played by the cousin of Karen Gillan? I was just reminded of that when you told her and us about the modern-day, older Canton Delaware III.
The next episode will likely be one of your most viewed Doctor Who reactions, that doesn't include a doctor regenerating or a companion departing. It's an episode tailor-made for reactions.
I can't be 100% sure but I think Amy got taken in that scene where she went to the bathroom in the white house after that other lady got zapped, it cut to her leaving the bathroom. But we didn't see if she just escaped or got replaced then. Just my theory
19:00 but doesn’t she see Kavarian in the door window in the scene before that? I just presumed it was some point between episode 1 and 2. It doesn’t matter that much anyway.
Great reaction, actually it was before the season started that Amy has been a type of Ganger, because the only reason she went into the room where sh was captured and had the pic of her and her baby was because she saw the Eye Patch woman open the hatch to that door
Nah she didn’t get taken Then, it was before, the reason she went in that room with the photo of her and the baby was because she saw that lady slide the panel open to check on her, she was take shortly after the end of season 5 and before season 6 started
Mark Sheppard has been in pretty much every major Sci-fi or Sci-fi adjacent show, X-Files, Firefly, BSG, Star Trek, Dollhouse, Warehouse 13, Supernatural and Dr Who.
dw, douple ganger Amy always had the mind of real Amy. There was no slipt off copying of minds. So the doctor only ended the link. No Amy copies where hurt in the erevelation of this plot twist!
Amy was Flesh from before this series starts, as that's the only reason she investigates the room with the photos at the orphanage - because she see's Madam Carvarian.
Now that you've discovered the ultimate TNG/DW crossover, aren't you glad that you _didn't_ let your 'gangers do the "Get Warped" show for you? That actor revelation wouldn't have landed nearly as hard, if you didn't have both sets of memories.
Nice try "Katrina" - but the hair gave you away. And the visible join where your head was stuck onto your neck was an amateur mistake to make. Now... What have you done with the real Katrina?
Amy’s ganger is actually a vessel for her consciousness, not a second “person” with the same memories. At least that’s how I’ve always interpreted it.
Yes, these gangers only became conscious beings because of the solar storm. The Flesh Amy was just a copy, an 'avatar' so to speak. It had no mind of it's own.
Yeah, that's definitely how it works, and the Doctor knew it. That's why he told the Amy ganger he was coming for her: he knew it was really Amy controlling the ganger, and he wanted her to know that no matter where she's about to wake up, he and Rory are coming for her.
No. At 17:24 "Given what we've learned I'll be as humane as I can but I need to do this *and you need to stand away!*"
The Doctor is angry that he has to kill the flesh avatar he just learned is a real person - Amelia Pond no less.
Rory figures that out when he realizes he's not talking with the weird uncle Doctor but instead the angry god Doctor.
@@Disillusioned_JELly I believe that gluuuuue is correct. When the gangers become human, they get their own consciousness that is separate from the original. If that were true for Amy's ganger, then Amy would not have woken up as soon as it was destroyed.
@@MarieAnne. There is the added issue that the flesh remains conscious even AFTER the original consciousness leaves the body (remember the piles of decommissioned flesh left to rot), so Amy being separated from her ganger would likely have left a ganger with its own consciousness from that point on. You can look at it as the doctor killing something that isn't yet alive in its own right, but which could (or even should) be.
It’s confusing at first but no he didn’t “kill” dopple Amy, there never was a doppelgänger. He destroyed a puppet that was being controlled by Amy’s consciousnesses, hence she wakes up when the puppet is destroyed. The other puppets developed into individual sentient beings which made them true doppelgängers. Two completely different things.
Paula stresseating just after the reveal is so fantastic to see.And her thoughts going every way in her head has never been so clearly visible on her face. I enjoy this so much. Next time more minds blown :P
spoilers,,,, behave, ;)
It starts at 18:50, in case you want to skip ahead. Lol.
If you recall, Amy sees the eye patch lady before she goes into the room where she finds a picture of herself with a baby, so she was already Flesh by then. I believe Moffat has said she was Flesh from the start of The Impossible Astronaut, so she would have been abducted sometime between A Christmas Carol and Astronaut. Can't wait for next episode. Paula's going to need more French Fries! 🍟😀
I actually think.it happened when she was on the run on her own at start of second.episode as in first she says to doctor she thinks she's pregnant and she feels sick at.white house then by second episode she is.fine and says to doctor she was wrong and not pregnant (because she's a copy)
Amy was flesh before the room with the pictures, because she first sees the eyepatch lady before she enters that room!
I suspect she was taken in the Whitehouse bathroom.
I mentioned this in another comment, but you have to wonder why the Silence kidnapped Amy again after she entered the room with all of the pictures? She was already a ganger by then (so they already had the real Amy in their custody somewhere), it doesn't make any sense.
@@Mrazmatmahmood It does if they were testing the doctor , learning how he would respond. This may be why they allied with the guys in cloaks next week! ;-) (Trying to be as spoiler free as possible)
@@cutthr0atjake I could buy that if the Silence weren't so dreadfully unprepared for the Doctor turning up. Let's face it, the Doctor and River owned the Silence at the end. Kidnapping Amy for a second time was a huge mistake and pointless and it led to their defeat.
@@Mrazmatmahmood 1 Amy or 2? I'll take two please just like Rory in "time and space" lol Seriously though I think it is to lure the Doctor to them and they didn't want to risk the real pregnant Amy so the fake Amy served their purposes. ALSO, timey wimey confusion maybe the fake Amy served other purposes at that time. I had several theories that probably aren't right on that but that gets complicated sooo the simpler slightly less logical explanation is they weren't done with the real Amy yet even though you see the picture of her with the baby that is from the future of the fake Amy at that point in her time lol soo complicated but so goood :)
@@Mrazmatmahmood I disagree, but I can't say anything without spoiling the next episode. :-)
The gangers gained consciousness because of how that vat had 'mutated'. This Amy wasnt an 'independent' sentient copy, she was puppeted unknowingly by real Amy using regular flesh tech. The Doctor said to flesh Amy 'Im coming for you', knowing he was talking to was real Amy remotely.
The real Amy wakes up and is shocked to find she's pregnant, because from her perspective she's been walking round with The Doctor for the last 9 months, not an independent copy of her. The gangers had become actually independent, so The Doctor didnt have a double standard by protecting them but 'splatting' Amy.
I think the 'tube' she was in was a scanner, keeping them synched, while also monitoring her pregnancy.
I've just remembered what happens in the next episode. Season 6 does not let you come up for air.
Paula stress eating french fries at the end of this video is adorable, especially as Katrina knew the truth and had to keep her emotions in check, to keep the secret from getting out.
YESSS next episode is one my fav episodes and imo one of the best eps of Doctor Who. Super excited for the reaction
My Top 5 Doctor Who Episodes:
1. Heaven Sent (Season 9, episode 11)
2. Blink (Season 3, episode 10)
3. A Christmas Carol (Season 6, episode 0)
4. A Good Man Goes To War (Season 6, episode 7)
5. Listen (Season 8, episode 4)
"I have a message and a question......."
As people have already said - she would've been taken before going inside that room.
Additionally on the point that 'he killed her after just proving that the Flesh people are still people' - For the most part the Flesh are just avatars for the 'real' people. It was just because of the solar storm that the ones on the island were separated from their 'drivers'. So, The Doctor 'killing' Amy wasn't him killing a version of her - it was just him breaking the connection between 'driver' and 'avatar'.
Yeah if real Amy dies so would the copy, cause her conscience would be gone. Idk why people have a hard time figuring out the difference from her Flesh and the Gangers
I can understand Paula being confused about this, since she really hasn't had time to process it all, but Katrina should have been aware of this.
The Doctor said he wanted to see the flesh in its early forms to understand it better. I assumed that the version of flesh being used on Amy is more advanced, and more an avatar Amy was unknowingly using, than it was another actual person.
The Doctor said he thought Amy had been taken before America, which means it was a flesh avatar the entire season.
The Amy avatar was not it’s own being like the Gangers in this story. It was Amy’s consciousness controlling it. The Doctor just woke Amy up by destroying her avatar.
The most obvious way to notice that she is a doppelganger is that she doesn't change her clothes throughout the season
they used a clip of tom baker and david tennant's voices at the start, but more subtle matt smith also said some lines of past doctors 'some day we will get back, some day' (1st doctor) 'jo reverse the polarity of the nutron flow!' (3rd doctor)
Amy was definitely a Ganger BEFORE she was "captured" by the Silence in the room with the photos. Remember, she'd seen the Eye-Patch Lady in the door to that room a minute earlier. So, she was probably captured earlier, like in the White House. As the Silence automatically erase the memory of anyone who sees them, she could've easily been taken then as she was alone in the Bathroom there.
*Ah, yes! You noticed* that William Morgan Sheppard (old Canton) also played Ira Graves in TNGs 'The Schizoid Man'!👍
Love that pure joy!
Also, wonderful to see that reaction to yet another _really_ weird and shocking cliffhanger!
Looking forward to all that awaits you in the next episode, haha!
This season really doesn't give you any break, eh?!😅
Remember, the flesh don't normally duplicate a subject's mind; the ones there did because of the freak electrical storm. Normally the subject mentally inhabits them through remote control. That's what was going on with Amy's ganger. So the Doctor didn't kill anyone by disincorporating it.
Mark Shephard's father also played the Klingon Warden in Star Trek VI
He was also a Captain Ahab like alien in the Voyager episode Bliss.
I also only just discovered that he was uncle vinnie from elvira mistress of the dark.
I always thought Doppel Amy wasn't a separate conscious but her own conscious, that's why she's been seeing Eyepatch lady
The Doctor didn't kill a copy Amy...the other dobblegangers were the flesh at the beginning of the technology, animated by the storm into real people. Presumably the dobbleganger Amy was made of updated flesh technology and wasn't ever animated into life. Her dobbleganger was just a puppet for the real Amy.
One of my favorite cliffgangers, I mean cliffhangers...
Also is it just me or Paula was channeling her inner Amy this reaction lol
There was also flesh episodes in Star Trek Voyager...S4 Episode 24 Demon and also S5 Episode 17 Course : Oblivion....and they are absolute bangers
I think destroying the ganger Amy was also a security thing because the other woman might be able to monitor what ganger Amy experiences.
Speaking of split-screen effects, at 9:07 I wasn't entirely convinced that the bottle Katrina put down was the same one that Paula picked up.
The switch happened before that room.
If you remember, the eye-patch lady peeked through the sliding port as Any entered that room.
Also, the Doctor said it happened before America.
So.... flesh the whole series so far...
Paula's reaction of stress eating while trying to process this was how we all felt when it aired. More French fries will be needed. :)
"You're one of us, Doctor. Join the Revolution..."
Jennifer confirmed for the Christmas Special!
I re-watched from 9th doctor on from last October through January (where Amazon dropped it in prep for the deal with HBO Max getting it, so I was a couple episodes into the 12th Doctor's second season so I had to wait until late May to resume).
I really enjoyed revisiting it, especially some of the 12th Doctor stuff I had only seen once time around. But the early stuff I had on while I was working so I wasn't paying as close attention to it as I should.
Debating starting ...again, and paying closer attention to take it all in.
But first, finish my re-watch of Torchwood, which I haven't seen since the original air dates.
No, Amy's abduction was prior to America... 'Eye Patch Lady' (to avoid her real name) appeared in the door of that child's room and Amy got curious, ergo she is already Flesh there
I think she was abducted in the room with the Silence on the ceiling.
Shepard's father also played the hologram counselor in the first season of 'SeaQuest DSV'.
As well as the Soul Hunter from Babylon 5. RIP W Morgan Sheppard
@@xaviergillis932 Oh yes, excellent point. I had forgotten about his being on Bab 5.
W Morgan Shepphard was a big crossover guy. He was in multiple star trek series and played multiple characters in Babylon 5. For me though he was always the narrator of the Medal of honour games back in the 90s, one of the first great game voice overs.
I love it when time lines up perfectly. Just sat down after making a yummy breakfast sandwich for my 2nd breakfast of the day and this video just got uploaded.
OMG a Hobbit🤗
Think Shepheard's Dad was also the hologram in seaQuest DSV. Stood for 'Don't Set the VHS'...
Somebody send Paula a box of tissues, a stress ball, and a new chair, because she gonna need them next episode.
Your minds were blown before the episode started. This episode just picked up the pieces and threw them at the wall!
Next weeks is my absolute favourite of all time.
And also the Doctor that Amy revealed the Lake Silencio fiasco to was actually the real Doctor, so he now knows at least that his death is upcoming and that Amy's seen it. I mean, he knows a lot more about it of course, he just doesn't KNOW that he knows. But he'll circle back around. 😉
I don't exactly know how long she's been flesh, but it was before she was alone at the orphanage. The woman opened the door to the room with the baby picture to get her there. As well as the fact that he said "before America", so in Impossible Astronaut she was already gone.
Also, Amy's ganger is different. Instead of making a copy, her consciousness was only in one of them. It's slightly different then the other gangers.
I have been waiting to say this sense the first episode of series 6. There has been one big clue that Amy was a ganger from the first episode. She wares the same cloths in every episode. The only time she changes is into all black in the second episode when they visit the abandoned children's home. I didn't notice and when it was pointed out to me it blew my mind. So obvious yet hidden in plain sight, genius really. This is a very layered episode and I love it. Can't wait for next time oh boy next time.
A thing to remember is, the Doctor is fascinated and curious by new things and things he doesnt understand. Whilst others run from the unknown he runs towards it. Like with the rebel flesh, yes he could understand what's going on with Amy more by being there, but at the same time he also wants to just discover everything about them out of fascination. So maybe he could have just not bothered going through all the shenanigans of this two parter and just gone to find the real Amy, but that's not the Doctors style, he NEEDS to interfere enough in these situations to fulfill his desire to know more about everything. As shown by him just melting flesh Amy, its like hes learnt enough and time to move on when he could have taken flesh Amy somewhere far and save to live. He is far from perfect and that's what makes him relatable.
I have been sooooo waiting for you to get to this episode, and the next.
A lot of people are saying that Doppel-Amy wasn't like the other Gangers in that her concsiousness (i can't spell that word) was beamed directly into the 'flesh' body meaning that when The Doctor destroyed it, he was essentially just destroying and non-sentient puppet. The problem with this, of course, is that, supposedly this is what was happening with all the gangers. I think we can simply put it down to a bit of lazy writing. WE make the point that copies of humans ane as human as humans themselves - all fine and dandy, but when we need a twist, to hell with that and hope nobody notices.
I'm so excited for next week! not sure I can wait 7 days to see the next reaction. OMG it's going to be EPIC!!!!!
SO hyped for next episode reaction!!
"...You ain´t seen nothing yet! b-b-b-baby, you just ain´t seen n-n-n-nothing yet! There´s something... There´s something you never will f-f-f-forget..."
That was the DEFINITIVE reaction! Amazing - and thats only half way uo the hill to come!
Both of you do such a great job with these reactions. Just watched through the show for like the 100th time on HBO Max.
The Doctor did say right before destroying Ganger Amy "Given what we've learned, I'll be as humane as I can"
rewatching the amy-doctor scenes knowing the twist about the doctor ganger is interesting
I predict that next episode will be a Paula mind blower
The ending of this episode was the biggest WTF I'd seen in this show (since the Brits call a season a series)
Imagine seeing this live and not being able to rewatch it.
The next episode is hands down my favorite episode of the season and I can't wait to see Paula's reactions!
Okay the only reason these particular gangers became self-concouis was the solar storm. ganger Amy is just an avatar, and the real Amy who is sleeping in Demon's run is controlling her. OF COURSE Doctor wouldn't kill a sentient self concouis Amy.
Nope Amy been flesh before S6 but after S5 if you remember she saw the eyepatch woman before she get kidnapped by the silence.
Also flesh Amy wasn't an individual she was just a vessel for the real Amy consciousness unlike the other flesh who gained there owned consciousness because of the storm.
Now you know part of the reason that we love this season, Paula!
I cant wait for Paula's reaction next week, one of the nest episodes of new who.
Remember that patch eyed woman appeared right in front of the room with the photos. I think she was abducted when she saw the Silence on the roof.
Haven’t started watching yet. But I wanted to say I’ve been soooo looking forward to this one and the next :)
I believe The Doctor has a line in the next episode that refutes what Katrina said about Amy being taken at the haunted orphanage. Mum's the word till then. Best. Leo.
15:32 I actually had an uncle who, when he was two years old, wandered into my grandfather's greenhouse and licked the cap of a caustic pesticide. The acid burned down his throat and through to his heart. Obviously this was a long time ago, my own father wasn't yet born. What makes it a little eerie for me is that I am apparently the spitting image of that uncle. My grandmother even once mistook me for him the final time I saw her before her death.
@ 3:27 : "So they cast his father." I did not know that! Do you know that little Amelia Pond is played by the cousin of Karen Gillan? I was just reminded of that when you told her and us about the modern-day, older Canton Delaware III.
The next episode will likely be one of your most viewed Doctor Who reactions, that doesn't include a doctor regenerating or a companion departing. It's an episode tailor-made for reactions.
I never stopped expecting the T 1000 Dr to come back into play through this whole series.
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I can't wait until next episode! It's one of my favorites!
I can't be 100% sure but I think Amy got taken in that scene where she went to the bathroom in the white house after that other lady got zapped, it cut to her leaving the bathroom. But we didn't see if she just escaped or got replaced then.
Just my theory
Also it can't be in that room in the childrens home as we saw the woman behind the sliding panel already once before that scene
19:00 but doesn’t she see Kavarian in the door window in the scene before that? I just presumed it was some point between episode 1 and 2. It doesn’t matter that much anyway.
Great reaction, actually it was before the season started that Amy has been a type of Ganger, because the only reason she went into the room where sh was captured and had the pic of her and her baby was because she saw the Eye Patch woman open the hatch to that door
Oh yeah, the ending to this episode was crazy!!! Please upload the next episode soon!!! 😭😭😭😭
Nah she didn’t get taken Then, it was before, the reason she went in that room with the photo of her and the baby was because she saw that lady slide the panel open to check on her, she was take shortly after the end of season 5 and before season 6 started
Air the next episode reaction TOMORROW!!! 😂😂😂
That Amy wasn’t conscious. It was like a puppet.
As the situation on hand develops in the next episode, I think Paula will flip. She'll definitely need more fries! Loving it.
Mark Sheppard has been in pretty much every major Sci-fi or Sci-fi adjacent show, X-Files, Firefly, BSG, Star Trek, Dollhouse, Warehouse 13, Supernatural and Dr Who.
The truth will be revealed... and your hearts will break... I'm so sorry...
dw, douple ganger Amy always had the mind of real Amy. There was no slipt off copying of minds. So the doctor only ended the link. No Amy copies where hurt in the erevelation of this plot twist!
Amy was Flesh from before this series starts, as that's the only reason she investigates the room with the photos at the orphanage - because she see's Madam Carvarian.
My Favorite episode of the season coming up next!
As with other people, I am so looking forward to next week when Paula will lose her mind. LOL
I cannot fucking wait for this. Knowing Paula she's gonna be able of guess what happens cause she's has a Titan brain
And we finally got here.
Can't wait for next one !
Paula has no idea what's coming.
Demon's run......when a good man goes to war
Next episode reaction: More Fries For Paula.
I remember feeling pretty smart cos i guessed the doctor had swapped shoes with himself then got completely blindsided by the flesh Amy reveal
And now it is we who have to wait a week for a good man to go to war and Paula doesn't. Oh, it's going to be fun.
Unrelated to the episode itself, but has someone pointed out that your credits say ‘wibbly wobby’, with a missing L?
Next episode is fucking GOOOOOOOOD!!!!
Oooooh, It's going to get good now....... (the last two eps were rated 7.2 and 7.4 on IMDB, less by me, the next one's 9.1, just sayin')
SHOOKETH...
Paula isn't ready for the next one
Now I want french fries.
Would you like a Jelly Baby?🤔
Can someone please GIF Paula stress eating with a scared looking on her face?
ohhh Moffit, you broke Paula again,,,
Paula's wild ride
When you do Babylon 5 Mark Shepherd's dad was in that too.
Whoa! I knew I recognized him! He was the Soul Hunter!
@@shadaxe And G'Kar's uncle. But to me, he'll always be Blank Reg from Max Headroom (because I'm like a thousand years old)
Now that you've discovered the ultimate TNG/DW crossover, aren't you glad that you _didn't_ let your 'gangers do the "Get Warped" show for you? That actor revelation wouldn't have landed nearly as hard, if you didn't have both sets of memories.
Nice try "Katrina" - but the hair gave you away. And the visible join where your head was stuck onto your neck was an amateur mistake to make. Now... What have you done with the real Katrina?