Romans 9:15 I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy. I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So it depends not upon a person's will or exertion, but upon GOD, who shows mercy.
And God is just so His mercy is not void to those who love Him and seek Him. I’d even go to say His mercy and grace are upon all in some way anyways for a time. While we were yet sinners Jesus died for us. Even those that don’t believe have his grace and mercy for a time. The goodness they enjoy comes from Him wether they acknowledge it or not. How much more does his Grace and mercy extend to those that believe on Jesus…? It’s eternal at that point.
That doesn't mean that God does not respond to a person's actions. See Job for example. John 6:37 New American Standard Bible 37 Everything that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I certainly will not cast out.
@@CWRobinsonMusic Yes, general grace falls on everyone. The offer of salvation is to all, and He doesn't turn away any who seek after Him. The real question is who will seek after Him but those whom God has called. The natural man does not seek after God.
@@arcguardian You contradicted yourself. First you say it is the person who responds, then you say it is those whom the Father gives to Christ. Job is a poor example because Job was a devout Godly man and God allowed Satan to test Job.
Sultan Mehmet II James meant works are the evidence, not the means. Works are not your doing, it is the Holy Spirit moving within you. I know it is hard to accept, but once you come to Christ, it is game over. Your work is done. Trust the promise. Matthew 11:30.
Works are a part of active belief in Jesus Christ. We are not earning our salvation, we are accepting it. Just as following the commandments of God are good works. We need to define our terms. I actually wrote a thesis on good works and salvation, advised by Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, and Presbyterians. Most were in agreement even as protestants. Dig deeper, friend. You can't scratch the surface and expect to have an argument against a church's teaching.
Britain Lord Come now, we are not like our Muslim friend down there with his work based religion. We both know that justification comes through faith alone. Sanctification is the work of the Holy Spirit within us. It is not of us. The evidence of Him working within us can take many forms. Please don't add on because the free gift is too good to be true. It is not that complicated. Luke 18:17 Please no master thesis reply;) God Bless:)
Growing up from 1st grade to 3 Rd I was Catholic. In every Catholic church I attended, they are all filled with all types of statues/ Idols. Demons are behind and in idols. Praying to idols of any kind is literally praying to demons
Believers obey God's law by faith, and not to build their own righteousness. The law does not provide faith, but it is Christ who is the author and finisher of our faith. We do not make void the law of God, but rather our faith upholds the law of God. Be blessed
Agreed, when you are saved you WANT to be good, because of the Holy Spirit and out of gratitude for what Christ has done for you, not because you HAVE TO be good.
@Dominus Vobiscum Yes. But thats why Paul says, shall we go on sinning that grace may abound? by no means! how can you who died to sin still live in it!
Bin Sam bruh. Protestants don't not allow anyone. If you're saying we don't say LGBT is a sin you're wrong. I've never heard a church accept that. It's obviously a sin. Just cause one says different doesn't mean all. We're not like y'alls Catholic churches pal 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Bin Sam We aren't like y'all 🤦🏽♂️. We don't follow a council's decision. We just go by the Word. If a denomination says they include LGBT marriages doesn't mean they all do. We don't conform to a decision like that, it just depends on that church. I've been to many churches and have never heard any inclusion of the LGBT. They can be saved though, we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God. If they want to be saved they can be saved by Grace through faith. They must confess and turn from their sins because this follows true faith. But there's nothing we can do to earn it, it's a gift of God.
Bin Sam There's literally nothing wrong with what I said. We are saved by Grace through faith. And faith with works is dead yes. That's why I said they'll turn away from their sin if it was true faith. And why do you keep bringing up LGBT? I mean we are not like y'all because we don't follow what man says. If the pope says something y'all follow and change y'all's beliefs around them. (Example: immaculate conception of Mary) We don't follow a council or none of that. Just the Bible. Just cause ONE Protestant church accepts something, doesn't mean we all do pal. 🤦🏽♂️ That's what y'all do. Also I didn't really understand what you said at the end. I don't think English may be your first language so if you could clarify what you meant.
Unless God opens the eyes of Catholics you will NOT ever help them understand that Jesus and Scripture is ALL you need. I was Catholic once which means I was indoctrinated since I was a baby to believe whatever the catholic church taught which is .....Salvation is Jesus plus, plus, plus, plus, plus....if you think about it, its an attractive offer for the church to do all the work on your behalf. You don't have to carry your own cross. Just go to church every Sunday because that's where God is. The Almighty can be boxed in a little building and fit to a schedule. MY GOD is omnipresent and I can talk to HIm ANY time of the day/week. Because of what HE DID. not what I do.
I am catholic, and as such i believe that my Church is that of Christ, but every day of my life i pray with all my heart to my Lord so that all of us who love Christ, let us together fight the evil one, and all together let us say to the Lord, " Your Kingdom come to us". Brothers, my Lord Jesus bless you all, and bless Jhon Piper, i admire him.
We fight the evil one by obeying God's Word in the Bible. We come to salvation by grace through faith. We submit to God's commands, seek to be more conformed to the image of Christ, and do so by seeking the things of above and not the things of this world. As part of that, we are instructed to go and make disciples of all nations.Catholicism does not follow the Bible. It errs in many ways and has led many astray, greatly assisting the evil one rather than fighting against him.If you want to fight the evil one, follow God's Word, not the Catholic Church.
Hey for 24 yrs, i was a Roman Catholic, till 1996, when i left this "church" when i read the bible n became A Catholic!(belong to The universal Churcn of JESUS CHRIST). Amen n Amen👏👏👏👏
360 Catholic Church and House of Israel will be persecuted Sunday, March 4th, 2012 @ 15:30 My dearly beloved daughter, the time for the opening of the Seals, which will result in you opening the Seventh Seal, is almost upon you. Because of your prayers, much upheaval is being averted. You, My followers, are accepting My Cross and you will unite with the Immaculate Heart of My Mother, as you march towards My Glorious Kingdom. As the falsities and depravities of the world escalate, so too will the faith of those who lead My Army. The churches will be persecuted. Namely, the Catholic Church and the House of Israel. Many will be pleased. These two religions will be tormented and every effort, both externally and within, will be made to eradicate any trace of either. There will be great rejoicing around the world when they have fallen. Many will consider them to be destroyed. People will then ignore their corpses. But this would be foolish. For they will rise again to form the New Heaven and the New Earth as the Gates of My Paradise are opened.No one can nor will destroy My chosen people on Earth. They may inflict pain, torture, death, and demolish the very buildings and temples set up by them to honour My Father. But, then they will rise and reclaim their rightful thrones, when they will reign with Me in Paradise. Never reject God. Never reject His churches, for if you do you will be following the path of deceit to eternal damnation. Your Saviour, Jesus Christ The Book of Truth online. Messages from God, Jesus and Mary to last prophet Maria Divine Mercy from 2010 to 2015.
@Asaph Vapor Catholics do not believe that works alone will save us. We believe that BOTH faith AND good works are necessary for salvation. Faith that does not blossom into good works is no faith at all.
@Asaph Vapor Good works the fruit, not the seed, of salvation. I can agree with that. Good works done by non-believers or persons in the state of mortal sin, while commendable, profit them nothing for salvation. But good works still must be done, or the Lord will withdraw His grace from us and we will sooner or later fall into mortal sin. The rich man in the Lazarus/rich man parable had faith---he called on his spiritual father Abraham---but he lacked the good works of helping the poor, so God sent him to Hell.
@@georgepenton808 This is why catholics are not saved. They believe faith plus works saves you. When Jesus did ALL the work on the cross. That's why Jesus gets all the glory. Catholics are trying to bribe their way into heaven by their works. When the true Christian chooses to do works simply because we are thankful that we are already saved and 1000% sure we are going to heaven. That's the beauty of the true Gospel. Believe alone that Jesus Christ died for your sins according to the Scriptures, was buried and rose again on the 3rd day according to the Scriptures. Over 500 witnesses seen Jesus risen. Believe alone in that Gospel and you will have eternal life. Jesus is our only hope. Only in Him alone and not of ourselves. Read 1Corinthians 15:1-6 and Ephesians 2:8-9
Neither does the Arminian view of salvation in that your salvation is dependent on your making a decision for Christ give Christ all of the glory for salvation.
Velonda...thru Christ’s death on the cross, you have already been declared righteous. His righteousness has been added to your account. You are righteous because He is righteous...what wonderful news!
I was a Roman catholic and when I understood the biblical teaching of Justification by faith alone, on the merits of CHRIST alone, I can only quote one of the Reformers " the door of Paradise swung wide open and I walked in"...thanks for the reminder John Piper...❣❣❣
it is sad that you turned your back on the one Church established by Christ to follow man-made doctrines. The apostles never taught salvation by faith alone and neither did the early Church. "Faith alone" was an invention of Luther and the reformers, so it is indeed another gospel.
@@GR65330 Exactly ! PROTESTant Leaders are the ones deceiving all these christians who gullibly believe these FAITH ALONE and GRACE-covers- sins doctrines. As Jesus says....." Many will be deceived " and MILLIONS are indeed being deceived by Lucifer's pack of Wolves.......the so called Born again christian/Prosperity and 10%TiTHING MANmade doctrines which are all motivated by one thing.......MONEY.
Here's my invitation for everyone here esp. you Marcel. type a video titled...... " Baby Girl Sees Mama Mary in Medjugorje! Crowd are left in Tears at what happens next! beautiful" Scroll down to 1 WEEK AGO till you see a man's post/named.... JOE JOHNSTON. Read his post titled DELUSIONAL PAGANISM. Then, Read ALL almost 300 comments under it. Read how I exposed this so called BORN AGAIN christian man's Manmade, New-ager, false and CULT church, for the world to see. See/hear you there.
Oh Thanks a lot for you concern! Ik about astral projection and all the "spiritual" practices people try and tap into, but it's not safe at all..makes you so vulnerable to demonic presence like you said.
Book of enoch is interesting to me only beacause in the book of jude it takes a passage from the book of enoch, not sure if it belongs with our bible though. It does not seem to align with the rest of the scriptures.
@@wojo9732 No it certainly doesn't belong in the Bible. Or it'd be there. It's not inspired Scripture. Paul quotes the Greek poets too... obviously that doesn't mean that their pagan writings are Holy Inspired Scripture right? Enoch can be an interesting read. Historical and all. But do not consider it as Scripture or infallible.
I love John Piper for this! Thank you for explaining this so clearly and simply. My one gripe is he's too kind to the institution of Roman Catholicism. I do realize that most Catholics are sincere seekers, and I appreciate the comment that the Council of Trent might have been genuinely worried about lawlessness. But the institution has taken the doctrine of works to a whole other level that i have a hard time finding sincere. For example, with indulgences. I remember how incredulous it was when the Vatican announced indulgences for participating in Vatican events at a Youth Summit the pope was attending, including via social media. This is no way to preach the gospel.
• Lord, please heal our land... 2 Chronicles 7:14 • Lord, protect those working on the front-lines serving the sick, hungry, poor and homeless • Lord, let all Christians and churches reach-out with Your hope and love while people's hearts are open • Lord, how can I bless my church financially during these challenging days • Lord, please use me to bless others in Jesus' name We are praying for you today... Blessed, Blind & Broken
Wow!!! Thank you Pastor John! That is such a great encouraging truth. We have been saved by grace through faith. It is a gift. Praise be to God who gave us His only begotten Son. To Him be all the glory!
Grace is a free gift. But we have to do a lot of work with that grace to be saved. "Work out your salvation with fear and trembling." --Phillipians 2:12 "Faith without works is dead." --James 2:26 "The Son of man will judge each according to his works." --Matthew 16:27 See also Matthew 25:31-46.
George Penton “But we have to do a lot of work with that Grace to be saved” - if that’s the case, then we have a part to play for our salvation? Half of the grace is free through the death and ressurection of Jesus and the other is our works? Is that right? Because it says in the bible in Ephesians 2:8-9 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast”. This verse is clear as day telling us that it is by God’s grace that we have been saved through our faith and not by works! This is the difference between catholics interpretation of “works” and Born Again’s interpretation of “works”: catholics have to follow traditions to attain graces, such as going to mass, etc. Because on doing so, u are coopersting with God’s graces. For Christians, “works” is the result of our salvation by grace through our faith. When we repented and accepted Jesus as our Lord and Saviour, we were forgiven. It is when we received the Holy Spirit in our lives as Jesus promised to all of us, and it is the Holy Spirit’s works in our lives that transforms us into a “new creation”. It says in 2 Corinthians 5:17 “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!” - and we feel it because our lives changed. People around us can see the changes too. See people’s testimonies on how Jesus changed their lives here in youtube, from drug addicts to Christians and so many others, all of us have a story to tell on how God changed us. That is what u call a transformation only God can do. We have become new creation in Christ. And because we have the Holy Spirit in us now, He renews our mind daily and the result of that is we become more and more obedient to Christ and His words. As a result, we do good works and do things that are pleasing to God. This is the “works” that we Christian mean.
Can't it be both? Of course, all our guilt is done away forever the moment we first believe, and God sees us as holy and as much as his children as his firstborn Son. But isn't it true that saving faith, if it is genuine, both frees and motivates us to more and more imitate Jesus, leading to righteous actions? In that sense, his righteousness is imparted on us. It doesn't contribute to the effective cause for our salvation, but it sure matters for those around us whether we bring fruit, and only thanks to Jesus and his Spirit in us can we actually do that. When God says "you're righteous now", you aren't just righteous on paper, because he is a God who speaks, and it happens. We must only be wary that we don't begin to try to prove our worthiness or similar folly. That would quench the freedom that comes from believing in God's full acceptance.
@1234poppycat *1. Scriptures only ACCEPTS all traditions of Jesus and Apostles, 2 Thes **2:15**; but REJECTS all traditions of men, Mat 15, Mat 23, Mark 7. 95% of Roman Catholic doctrines were from traditions of men. Not from traditions of Jesus or Apostles.* *- Acceptable Traditions (those of Jesus and Apostles, 2 Thes **2:15**)* and *- Unacceptable Traditions (traditions of men, Mat 15, Mat 23, Mark 7).* *2. It is interesting to note: that even authorities like Jesus, APostles and NT CHurch also appealed to Scriptures only for doctrines. We often see them citing from Scriptures/Written Word only for doctrines (180 plus times they did that just in NT alone). Not once did we see them citing traditions as support for any doctrines. NOT ONCE.*
Justification: Christ BOUGHT it with His blood, which removes the sins we committed from God the Father's mind. This is imputation. ImPARTation is when the Holy Spirit comes in our spirits and causes our lifestyles to MATCH what God already thinks about us, because of Christ's blood and death.
Imputation is simply false. The problem is that you are saying that God is a liar. God is not a liar. He does not declare someone to be righteous who is not actually righteous. Read Romans 15:19 "through the obedience of the one man the many will be MADE righteous." People are made righteous. Not merely labelled like snow covering cow dung.
"Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven." [Matthew 7:21] [22] Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
@Asaph Vapor "In the treasures of wisdom is understanding, and religiousness of knowledge: but to sinners wisdom is an abomination." [Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) 1:26]
2 Peter 1:3-4 3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
@@ryanpope7891 But its a good point there is no justification for a pope. Christ is our high priest why do you need to confess to the priest when God told us to confess our sins to him. Why does the Roman Catholic church believe that the priest or pope can forgive sin when their men, not God? Why do you pray to Mary and saints who were men instead of solely leaning on Jesus like we are instructed? The Roman Catholic Church only seeks to take the place of God rather than worship Him
If being saved is based on faith alone and requires no works on our part why does the Our Father say “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us”. See also the Parable of the Unforgiving Debtor. Matthew 18:21-35 and James 2:14-26. “You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.”
On Matthew + Unforgiving Debtor: It is because "faith without works is dead." Faith alone saves, but if we have no works or are not better in some tangible way then it is almost certainly proof that we have not been changed and therefore do not truly have faith. If someone says they value honesty yet always lies, then we would doubt that they truly value honesty. James is talking about how we recognize someone as being justified. Paul is talking about the process by which we are justified. If someone has no works, then we have no proof that they are not merely professing faith that they do not have. An example I have heard: is that if you were to tell me you have been hit by a truck, and I see that you do not have a scratch on you then I will be very doubtful that you have actually been even though you earnestly say you have. Likewise, if someone has heard the destiny and life-changing Truth but has not changed because of that then they have cause to be concerned about their faith and soul. If justification is by works, then how many works are sufficient to merit heaven?
@Annette Catholics also believe we are saved by faith but what is faith? Is it a feeling or a thought or an action. We believe that your faith is your actions and your actions are your faith. In the book of James it talks about how Abraham demonstrated his faith by being willing to sacrifice is only son because God told him.
John Piper, I know you love the Bible. For a very long time, I have had an inward struggle about understanding the salvation between justification by faith or works because of the commands of Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount and especially the paradoxical verse of James 2:24. It says very explicitly, "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone." It was this conflicting verse that made me doubt the Bible's validity. I also had other questions such as, "How do we know what books should be in the New Testament if there was no Bible to show it?" The doctrine of Sola Scriptura by Martin Luther relies heavily on circular reasoning. I knew that the Church had made rules for which books should be included, but once again there is no scripture to tell them how to act. After taking a New Testament class at my school, I began to understand how the Holy Spirit worked in the very early church as recorded in Acts. The apostles had the divine authority by Jesus to say what they had to say because of the Holy Spirit, which is the one part of the Trinity who lives inside of US as Christians, yet is the least talked about part of the Trinity of God. I decided to box the Holy Spirit or the Spirit of God every time I read it in Scripture, and it is astounding just how many times it is mentioned in both the Old and New Testaments. I believe this very Holy Spirit is leading me to the Catholic Church because any person can claim to have the Holy Spirit and interpret the Bible how they want. But there is something about the authority about the Catholic Church that regulates doctrine so that Christians can focus on Jesus and their practical faith, not just the doctrines of Scripture for worldly debate. I have not heard many Protestants explain this issue of authority, and I have heard many straw man arguments. Can you (or somebody) please address this sometime, or point me to someone who has addressed this? Thank you.
We must be extremely careful not to add to the truth. (Jesus speaking to the pharisees and scribes) You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said: “‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’” - Matthew 15:7-9 (ESV)
The works are how the Holy Spirit testifies that we are saved. But the works come after salvation. They are the result of being born again as God gives us a new heart with new desires.
@@JosephRout We must also be very careful to not take away from scripture, which is what the reformers did, when they removed whole books from the canon.
@@intedominesperavi6036 Catholics believe that you must follow sacrements to be saved. Also the Catholic Church removed the second commandment from your Bible. Look it up.
@@monamuller8969 I don't believe it's a contradiction. How we are saved, and what is expected of us spiritually after we are saved is what is being contrasted. being saved by grace is without works and is on God alone (as we all understand). but having grown in faith (hebrews 11:1) gives breath to works that are good. if you have faith, you're works will change from lawless to righteous. basically: Jesus said that if you love my Father, you will obey his commands. to know me is to know my Father. He tells us to repent.. Repenting is an act of works done by a changed mind. "be changed by the renewal of your mind."
@@rennjadan7505 I mean I agree with what you say. The only part I don´t fully understand is this one: _Repenting is an act of works done by a_ _changed mind. "be changed by the_ _renewal of your mind."_ What do you mean by an "acts of works"?
@@monamuller8969 the acts of works: being changed by God in your mind and spirit so that your actions are consolidated specifically to these things, coming from the former. the works of the Holy Spirit, by which you act upon there after. biblehub.com/romans/12-2.htm
@purgatorean *God and His Words is anti RC doctrines though. Wonder why RCs refused to read the Bible?* 1. Catholics say Mary was forever virgin. Yet Bible says Jesus had brothers and sisters. Mary was not perpetually virgin. Mk 6:3, Mat 13:55, Mat 27:56, Mar 6:3, Mar 15:40, Mar 15:47. 2. Catholics say clergies must be celibate. Yet BIBLE says Peter (supposed R Church first leader) had mother in law. Bible says celibacy is not a qualification for clergies. Mat 8:14-15, Mar 1:30-31, Luk 4:38-39. 3. Catholics say Mary was sinless. But Bible says Mary offered a sinner's offering. She was a sinner. Bible says Mary needed a Saviour. Lk 2:23-24, Lev 12:6-8, Rom 3:10. 4. Catholics say confess to R priests in a box. BIBLE says nothing about confessing to priests in a box. Bible says confess to God only. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6, Romans 10:9-10. 5. Catholics say drink of the physical blood of Jesus. Yet OT and NT both say do not drink blood. Acts 15, Lev 7:26. 6. Catholics say pray to passed on Mary and "saints". Yet Bible says do not contact the dead. NT Church did not record a single case of NT believers asking passed on saints to pray for them. Deut 18:11, Isaiah 8:19. 7. Catholics make and bow down to statues. Bible says do not bow down to graven images (statues). Deut 4, Exo 20:4-5. 8. Catholics sprinkles “holy water”. But NT Church of the Bible mentioned nothing about “holy water”. There was no record of any Apostles sprinkling “holy water” on believers. Catholics claimed “holy water” came from OT. Yet Num 5:17 says “holy water” was water used to test adulterous women in OT temple. Hardly the same. Those were for Old Covenant Jews. Not New Testament Christians. 9. Catholics say Peter was pope - bishop of all bishops. Yet Bible says Peter was just a leader of the Jerusalem Church. Bible says nothing of the office of bishop of bishops. Gal 2:9, Mat 16:18. 10. Catholics say there is a seat of Peter. Yet BIBLE says nothing about it. Jesus said “not to lord over others”. 11. Catholics has clergy priesthood. Bible says clergy priesthood was done away with in New Testament. There is no clergy priesthood in NT. Heb 7:27, 9:12, 10:10. 12. Catholics preaches Works Salvation (faith + good works + partake R sacraments + submit to R pontiff + be in R Church + devote to Mary = to be saved). Yet Bible says “believe in Jesus to be saved”. Bible says Works Salvation is cursed. Gal 1:8-9. Acts 16:30-31, John 3:16, Romans 10:9-10. 13. Catholics says they must do Penance to atone for their sins. Yet Bible says repent, confess and sins will be forgiven. Catholic Bible changes the word “repentance” in NT into “penance”. Original Greek NT does not use or mean the word penance. Penance = work to atone for sins. Repentance = change of heart. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6. 14. Catholics say Mary went straight to heaven without dying. Yet Bible says nothing about it. 15. Catholics say Islam and Christianity have the same God. Yet Islam doesn't believe in death and resurrection of Jesus and Trinity.
@1234poppycat *If Roman Catholicism is truth or Church of the Bible, why was there not a single New Covenant believer saved in a Roman Catholic way in the whole Bible? Why is that so? Please explain coherently intelligently.* - submit to Roman pope to be saved - devote to Roman Mary to be saved - be in Roman Church to be saved - partake Roman sacraments to be saved - baptise in Roman baptism to be saved - do lots of works to be saved
I don't think the RCC disagreed with the reformers because they feared lawlessness, but rather they feared loosing control of the people. Scripture makes it really clear as to our justification through faith in Christ.
@1234poppycat *Bible calls Roman pagan traditions "traditions of men", Mar 7:8, Col 2:8* 1. Any doctrines not from the commandment of God or Mosaic Law were called tradition of men. 2. Philosophies based on principles of the world and not according to Christ/God were called traditions of men. Mar 7:8 *For laying aside the commandment of God* , you hold the *tradition of men* -the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do." Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the *tradition of men* , according to the basic principles of the world, and *not according to Christ* *Many Roman Catholic traditions (doctrines) were not based on commandments of God/Jesus or Mosaic Law. And they were not according to God/Jesus. A lot were based on philosophies of the world too. So they should be discarded.* *Examples of that: Jesus did not command making of statues and bowing to them in a Church. These kind of traditions should be discarded. And many more.*
@mayermackenzie *That's the first L Roman religion tells you. RCs love demonstrating they do not read the Bible. Even precursory reading of the book of Acts tells you Roman religion was not the Church CHrist founded. The First CHurch was Jerusalem Church centred in Jerusalem. Acts 2, Acts 11:26. Not Roman Catholic Church centred in Rome. The First Believers were Jewish Christians, Not Gentile Roman Catholics.* you said Seems odd that the church that Christ started would get this wrong for 1500 years.
roman pagan priests claim they can remove sins from people by saying 'ego te absolvo', that is 'I forgive you'(the priest claims to be forgiving sins of another).
So are you saying a person can ask for salvation and go mess up small or big and not repent? Are you saying that a person can continue sleeping with their girl friends/ boyfriends? Y’all need to speak to Holy Spirit for guidance
@@AnnetteMurphyger thank you! I love Almighty YAH & keep His Commandments as these Instructions from Abba קדוש are best for me & all His Children. I was wording it in a way that reveals a persons heart if they answer against His Word & say yes they can choose for themselves like Paul said & do what seems right Yes we can choose, but we are either choosing Him or His enemies Blessings in YShua
It is painful that we cristians are divided, against the command of Jesus, that be one as the Eternal Father and Jesus are one ( Jhon 17,21). The pagan world has taken advantage of this and has fallen into idolatry of money in selfishness, drugs, pornography depression, abortion, gender ideology and atheism. We must pray with love of God, for each other. ( Sorry for my writing, i am from Costa Rica, Central America, my language is spanish).
I believe the Roman Catholic church has seriously erred in three fundamental areas: in its approach to God, the Bible, and salvation. 1) In its approach to God, Roman Catholicism approves the veneration of (i.e. bowing down before) images and relics, encourages praying to the saints, and promotes Mary to a semi-divine status. All of these constitute varying forms of idolatry, which Scripture condemns (cf. Exodus 20:4-5; Leviticus 26:10; Acts 10:25-26; Revelation 22:8-9). 2) In its approach to the Bible, Roman Catholicism elevates church tradition to a place of authority equal to (and in practice higher than) Scripture. The Lord Jesus condemned first-century Judaism as apostate because it likewise elevated the traditions of men above the Word of God (Mark 7:6-8). 3) In its approach to salvation, Roman Catholicism adds various sacramental works to the gospel of grace. In a similar way, the apostle Paul condemned the Judaizers because they added self-righteous works to the gospel (cf. Acts 15:1-11; Romans 11:6; Galatians 1:6-9). These fundamental issues, in addition to a host of other doctrinal problems (e.g. purgatory, the papacy, priestly celibacy, indulgences, the Apocrypha, etc.) lead me to reject Roman Catholicism.
Marco Garcia I'm sorry to say that but Catholic doctrine is not based on Scriptures. Plus the worship to Mary, bowing down to statues, praying the dead, worship of the cranes,... www.google.co.kr/search?client=ms-android-skt-kr&biw=360&bih=264&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=XsniWqj1I8ey0ATG4I-gDA&q=worship+to+cranes+pope&oq=worship+to+cranes+pope&gs_l=mobile-gws-img.3...9249.11859..12781...0....570.1287.0j3j0j1j0j1..........1..mobile-gws-wiz-img.Qj6T8pQg70A%3D#imgrc=W6ZAxcAUG0fBMM:
Not so, reply Catholics. First, the verse from John refers to the things written in that book (read it with John 20:30, the verse immediately before it to see the context of the statement in question). If this verse proved anything, it would not prove the theory of sola scriptura but that the Gospel of John is sufficient. Second, the verse from John’s Gospel tells us only that the Bible was composed so we can be helped to believe Jesus is the Messiah. It does not say the Bible is all we need for salvation, much less that the Bible is all we need for theology; nor does it say the Bible is even necessary to believe in Christ. After all, the earliest Christians had no New Testament to which they could appeal; they learned from oral, rather than written, instruction. Much the same can be said about 2 Timothy 3:16-17. To say that all inspired writing “has its uses” is one thing; to say that only inspired writing need be followed is something else. Besides, there is a telling argument against claims of Evangelical and Fundamentalist Protestants. John Henry Newman explained it in an 1884 essay entitled “Inspiration in its Relation to Revelation.” Newman’s argument He wrote: “It is quite evident that this passage furnishes no argument whatever that the sacred Scripture, without Tradition, is the sole rule of faith; for, although sacred Scripture is profitable for these four ends, still it is not said to be sufficient. The Apostle [Paul] requires the aid of Tradition (2 Thess. 2:15). Moreover, the Apostle here refers to the scriptures which Timothy was taught in his infancy. “Now, a good part of the New Testament was not written in his boyhood: Some of the Catholic epistles were not written even when Paul wrote this, and none of the books of the New Testament were then placed on the canon of the Scripture books. He refers, then, to the scriptures of the Old Testament, and, if the argument from this passage proved anything, it would prove too much, viz., that the scriptures of the New Testament were not necessary for a rule of faith.” Furthermore, Protestants typically read 2 Timothy 3:16-17 out of context. When read in the context of the surrounding passages, one discovers that Paul’s reference to Scripture is only part of his exhortation that Timothy take as his guide Tradition and Scripture. The two verses immediately before it state: “But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it, and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus” (2 Tim. 3:14-15). Paul tells Timothy to continue in what he has learned for two reasons: first, because he knows from whom he has learned it-Paul himself-and second, because he has been educated in the scriptures. The first of these is a direct appeal to apostolic tradition, the oral teaching which the apostle Paul had given Timothy. So Protestants must take 2 Timothy 3:16-17 out of context to arrive at the theory of sola scriptura. But when the passage is read in context, it becomes clear that it is teaching the importance of apostolic tradition! The Bible denies that it is sufficient as the complete rule of faith. Paul says that much Christian teaching is to be found in the tradition which is handed down by word of mouth (2 Tim. 2:2). He instructs us to “stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter” (2 Thess. 2:15). This oral teaching was accepted by Christians, just as they accepted the written teaching that came to them later. Jesus told his disciples: “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me” (Luke 10:16). The Church, in the persons of the apostles, was given the authority to teach by Christ; the Church would be his representative. He commissioned them, saying, “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations” (Matt. 28:19). And how was this to be done? By preaching, by oral instruction: “So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes by the preaching of Christ” (Rom. 10:17). The Church would always be the living teacher. It is a mistake to limit “Christ’s word” to the written word only or to suggest that all his teachings were reduced to writing. The Bible nowhere supports either notion. What is Tradition? In this discussion it is important to keep in mind what the Catholic Church means by tradition. The term does not refer to legends or mythological accounts, nor does it encompass transitory customs or practices which may change, as circumstances warrant, such as styles of priestly dress, particular forms of devotion to saints, or even liturgical rubrics. Sacred or apostolic tradition consists of the teachings that the apostles passed on orally through their preaching. These teachings largely (perhaps entirely) overlap with those contained in Scripture, but the mode of their transmission is different. Paul illustrated what tradition is: “For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures. . . . Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed” (1 Cor. 15:3,11). The apostle praised those who followed Tradition: “I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you” (1 Cor. 11:2). The first Christians “devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching” (Acts 2:42) long before there was a New Testament. From the very beginning, the fullness of Christian teaching was found in the Church as the living embodiment of Christ, not in a book. The teaching Church, with its oral, apostolic tradition, was authoritative. Paul himself gives a quotation from Jesus that was handed down orally to him: “It is more blessed to give than to receive” (Acts 20:35). Fundamentalists say Jesus condemned tradition. They note that Jesus said, “And why do you transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?” (Matt. 15:3). Paul warned, “See to it that no one makes a prey of you by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the universe, and not according to Christ” (Col. 2:8). But these verses merely condemn erroneous human traditions, not truths which were handed down orally and entrusted to the Church by the apostles. These latter truths are part of what is known as apostolic tradition, which is to be distinguished from human traditions or customs. “Commandments of men” Consider Matthew 15:6-9, which Fundamentalists and Evangelicals often use to defend their position: “So by these traditions of yours you have made God’s laws ineffectual. You hypocrites, it was a true prophecy that Isaiah made of you, when he said, ‘This people does me honor with its lips, but its heart is far from me. Their worship is in vain, for the doctrines they teach are the commandments of men.’” Look closely at what Jesus said. He was not condemning all traditions. He condemned only those that made God’s word void. In this case, it was a matter of the Pharisees feigning the dedication of their goods to the Temple so they could avoid using them to support their aged parents. By doing this, they dodged the commandment to “Honor your father and your mother” (Ex. 20:12). Elsewhere, Jesus instructed his followers to abide by traditions that are not contrary to God’s commandments. “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat; so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice” (Matt. 23:2-3). What Fundamentalists and Evangelicals often do, unfortunately, is see the word “tradition” in Matthew 15:3 or Colossians 2:8 or elsewhere and conclude that anything termed a “tradition” is to be rejected. They forget that the term is used in a different sense, as in 1 Corinthians 11:2 and 2 Thessalonians 2:15, to describe what should be believed. Jesus did not condemn all traditions; he condemned only erroneous traditions, whether doctrines or practices, that undermined Christian truths. The rest, as the apostles taught, were to be obeyed. The indefectible Church How can we know which traditions are apostolic and which are merely human? The answer is the same as how we know which scriptures are apostolic and which are merely human-by listening to the magisterium or teaching authority of Christ’s Church. Without the Catholic Church’s teaching authority, we would not know with certainty which purported books of Scripture are authentic. If the Church revealed to us the canon of Scripture, it can also reveal to us the “canon of Tradition” by establishing which traditions have been passed down from the apostles. After all, the New Testament itself declares the Church to be “the pillar and foundation of the truth” (1 Tim. 3:15).
in my view, Jesus' sacrifice was a pure offering for sin. It did not mean that He 'became' sin', but that He became a sin-offering. I would say also we BEGIN by faith, not by works. But after that we have a responsibility to maintain (with the Grace God dispenses/gives, of course). We can, in the Lutheran view, 'lose faith'. There are too many passages to cite, but I would argue we can fall away by certain things we might do, so therefore as Jesus said, "The one who endures to the end will be saved."
*The Catholic Church Compiled the Bible at the Council of Rome, the Synod of Hippo and finally the Council of Carthage and took 3 Papacies to complete with 73 books originally over 300 years after the Apostles*
Justified before God by faith alone. Justified before men (who cannot see the heart) by works. Salvation is always by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. As Jonah said salvation is of the Lord.
@1234poppycat *You lack knowledge. Scriptures of modern day Bibles were already in all churches by ad100s. Roman pagans treat OT as non Scriptures. Compilation does not make Scriptures inspired or Scriptures. Stop making false claims Roman pagan.* you said We get the bible from tradition --- it was not written down until 30+ years after the Resurrection !! Not compiled until 390's
@1234poppycat *WHo says your Roman pagan traditions = Word of God? You?* you said Tradition is the Word of God passed down from one generation to the next
Pastor John, we are reading two different Gospels and Scriptures. As a Greek Catholic I read the Greek Bible, the original bible, the bible of the Early Church. The bible you are reading is a bible of the 15th century in the Latin text. You are talking about imputation, coming from the word imputatur which means ascribe. The Latin bible does use this verbage, but the original Greek does not use the word impute, meaning to ascribe. Ascribe in Greek is Apodido. Rather the word in the Greek text, the original bible, is Logizitai which means consider/reckon. These two words are very different in their understanding. If something is considered, than that means there is still work to be done. To ascribe means work is complete. Now the work of the cross is finished, but even when the apostles were bathed, their feet still needed to be cleaned (John 13). Therefore the work is not done as man is still prone to sin. Therefore the work must continue and faith is considered as grace, but it is not the end of the story. There has to be a picking up of the cross and following Jesus everyday. If you ascribe faith as righteousness, then your right faith and your done. If you consider faith as righteousness, well its not the end of the story, its a piece of it. Also how do you get around John 14? ("I am the way, the truth and the life") coupled with 2 Pt 1:3-5 (that we may be participants in the Divine Nature)? You can't your saying that faith was all Jesus had, that the only way, truth and life of Jesus, is faith because by it alone you are ascribed grace accounted for as righteousness. Yet, Jesus also had teachings, he had things we have to do (like feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty) and these are ways that our faith is made known and they are counted to us as righteousness (read James 2:22-24). Brother, you are teaching a different Gospel than what we received from the Apostle St. Andrew. I feel this is important to let you know, because I do not feel that you know this. Otherwise, you would not be teaching these things. I will pray for you, and I pray that you will pray for me.
I found your comment very interesting! Jesus bathed His desciples feet before He was crucified so do you think your point still applies here? Protestants believe that it is the good works which testify that we are saved as this is the fruits of the Holy Spirit, who gives us a new heart with new desires. The good works can only come after salvation as you come as you are and allow Jesus to recreate you.
@@shomshomni2314 The point is that a recreating still needs to take place. Salvation is only obtained at the end of the journey not during the journey. The Israelites were saved from the bondage of slavery, but they were not actually saved until they reached the promised land, it was at that point that they flourished as a nation. Since all of scripture points towards Christ and his saving work, we know that Christ by his Life, Death and Resurrection have freed us from the shackles of sin, but we also know that we are prone to fall back into this sin. In the theology of the early Church you are not saved until you pass over to judgement. You can read the letter of St. Paul, "For I have fought the good fight...I have run the race" if one was saved there would be no need for fighting, but since you are not saved until you pass over and receive judgement then one must keep fighting until you pass over to the other side. Furthermore, to say "I am saved" has put judgement in your own hands based off your own interpretation of scripture. In the Greek Churches, and in line with the early Church, we say that we beg God's mercy because only GOD can determine if one is saved because he alone is the final say and the judge. We do this daily through the Jesus Prayer (Lord Jesus, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.). Even this notion of saying "I am saved" sounds like Phariseeism (see the parable of the publican and the pharisee). It is making this statement "I am saved! I am not like these people! I am your Child!" Is this not the pharisee in the story? Even Christ makes note of this when he says, "For me shall come to me and say "Lord, Lord" and I will say I never knew you." These people thought they were "saved" so they thought that they were buddies with Jesus, in the end he did not know them. This must lead to the question how do we know the way? Jesus tells us through the Apostles and their successors, "I will send to you the Holy Spirit who will lead you into all truth." (John 14) It is the written documents of the Church speaking in unison (not one Church pretending they can say something and it be dogma like some Romans have done in the past) but it must be all of us Catholics speaking in unison. This was the whole purpose of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, because it is the voice of all of the Catholic Churches (there are 24 churches that includes the Roman Catholic, 14 Byzantine (Greek) Catholic and 9 Syriac Catholic Churches in Communion with each other) but even it has some issues.
People, stop listening to teachers of your own choice! The internet is full with these self-proclaimed teachers, who all teach another variant on the Gospel and build their own churches on top of it. All manmade chuches, manmade gospels and manmade Jesusses: an endless stream... what does Scripture say about this? Read Paul and John and stop with this eternal nonsense, people! There is one Lord and one Gospel; one body and one faith. Nobody will be saved by means of his own gospel. Nobody! Not now and not ever.
I wonder how this reality impacts the facts of history. For well over a thousand years-generations and generations of people-the Orthodox and Catholic churches were the church in the world. Both have impartation theology. Yet, Christ did not leave the world without a faithful remnant at any point since his ascension. What can we make of those local churches and their faithful believers under the ecclesiastically pervasive bad theology?
What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds.
James is addressing false Christians and not saying that works save us. They are evidence of our salvation. You can sum it up this way. James is saying that if you say you are a Christian but you beat your wife, your faith is dead.
@@rickdavis2235 so basically if you don't do works your faith is dead therfore you aren't saved. And if you do works you have a true faith therefore you are saved
@@smart_joey_4179 No, that's not true. Works are proof that we are saved but not the cause of salvation. If we follow Jesus' two greatest commandments, we are saved and not doing any works. Matthew 22:36-40 esv (Jesus is teaching) 34 But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
@@rickdavis2235 so works are proof of salvation does that mean we can still sin since we are saved already? And doesn't loving one another sound like a work?
@@smart_joey_4179 " so works are proof of salvation does that mean we can still sin since we are saved already? " Do you think you can be sinless? I know I sin every day because All have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God. We are saved while still sinners BUT if you continue to sin habitually and knowingly, you're not saved. That's where the fruits are evidence of our salvation. 1 John 5:18 18 We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him. This verse is referring to willfull, deliberate sinning: knowing that it's sin and doing it anyway. Hebrews 10:26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, Works Cannot Save Us: We are not made righteous by the things that we do. We are made righteous by the declaration of God who, looking at the things that Christ has done, imputes them to us; actually righteous and perfect and that is what is imputed to us. In his passive obedience, Christ received himself the penalty that was due to us for our unrighteousness so our sin was imputed to Him in His passive obedience and it is this double imputation of our sin to Christ and Christ’s righteousness to us that makes us righteous. It doesn’t infuse righteousness into us. It is a declaration from God himself and it produces righteousness in us. There is no better news in the world than that. We all live in fear. We all want to be right with God. There’s one who made you and I right with God and He took our sin to the cross. He lived the righteous life that neither you nor I could ever live and because of that, God has declared all of us righteous. Positionally, we are righteous immediately and we are actually being made righteous progressively through sanctification. There is no better news, and for those who are not in Christ, there is no worse news because what you’re trying to do through your religion is you’re trying to accomplish yourself what Christ has already accomplished and you are trying to convince God, that which only He can declare upon you. On our best day, our motives are impure and not enough. We spend our entire lives believing and desiring that we can make ourselves righteous; that we can make ourselves acceptable to God and the gospel comes and says Jesus already did it. Our immediate thought is that it’s going to lead us to lawlessness. What’s going to keep me from lawlessness? How about the Spirit that raised Christ from the dead and your attending to the ordinary means of grace on a regular basis so that you can be reminded of this gospel again and again and again. "And doesn't loving one another sound like a work?" God is love and, if we have God in us, we are filled with His love.
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. Ephesians 2:8-10 We are meant to do good works, but this doesn’t save us
@Bin Sam if you dont understand about the Pharisees thats a problem. Understanding the Pharisees history is a common story that all people who consider themselves Christians know. Anyone who has read their Bible can answer what I asked you. If you cant tell me about the Pharisees then you cant tell me about Christianity. You can tell me all about the cath church but cant tell me the most basic thing about Jesus. That should worry you, it worries me
@@williamgullett5911 The funny thing is that the Pharisees were blind to Christ because they refused to believe. As a result Jesus spoke in parables to confuse them. The current Pharisees are the Protestants who just cannot figure out Catholicism and misunderstand or lie about it. Catholic doctrine is the parable to protestants.
Pastor John, if the Catholic Church then is wrong on justification and that justification is therefore one legal transaction, and not a santification or a moral transformation, why is then that St Paul, after saying that we “HAVE BEEN SAVED THROUGH FAITH AND THIS IS NOT FROM OUR OWN DOING,” is also saying that we should “STRIVE FOR THAT HOLINESS WITHOUT WHICH WE SHALL NOT SEE THE LORD,” and that we should “WORK OUT OUR SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING”? And why is then Jesus Himself is saying that “WE SHOULD PERSEVERE TO THE END”?
@Luther V, before I answer all your manifestations to me and show you your ignorance of what the Catholic Church truly teaches about salvation that is surely freely given to us by God in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, let me ask you few questions. First, why are you assuming of something that I did not say? Did I not say that "We should WORK OUT our salvation with fear and trembling," as what the Bible says, and not "WORK FOR our salvation..." which you assume I suppose?
@Luther V, before I answer all your manifestations to me and show you your ignorance of what the Catholic Church truly teaches about salvation that is surely freely given to us by God in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, let me ask you few questions. First, why are you assuming of something that I did not say? Did I not say that "We should WORK OUT our salvation with fear and trembling," as what the Bible says, and not "WORK FOR our salvation..." which you assume I suppose?
@@lutherv9317, before I answer all your manifestations to me and show you your ignorance about what the Catholic Church truly teaches about salvation that is surely freely given to us -- a gift, indeed -- by God in our Lord Jesus Christ, let me ask you few questions. First, why are you assuming of something that I did not say? Did I not say that "We should WORK OUT our salvation with fear and trembling," as what the Bible says, and not "WORK FOR our salvation..." which you assume I suppose?
@@lutherv9317, oh sure? I'm surely unlearned, huh? Let me see how really learned and smart you are if you know about Pelagianism or the Pelagian heresy of the 5th century, which taught about "salvation by works" but had been rejected and condemned by the Catholic Church since then. Has your learned pastor even cared to tell you about that, or has he himself never known about it in the first place, just like you?
Hey,@@lutherv9317, I'm still waiting for your reply! About how well you and your pastor know about Pelagianism. Let me see how really learned you and your pastor are, and how an intellectual and logical discussion with you about our Christian faith can go... And you said "Except Catholics still WORK FOR it"? Really? Tsk tsk, what a misconception...
The Bible Said: "James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
I am a by the Bible first devout Catholic. Believe it or not but that does not contradict. The original Catholics, the early Church Father's were like this. But for Martin Luther to have to remove whole books of the Bible in order to justify his stance that works don't really matter in salvation tells me the scriptures that show the importance of works such as Jesus saying He will not know us if we do not feed the hungry, comfort the dying and take care of those suffering is not misinterpreted by the Catholic church. I do not think Protestants are wrong one everything but I have heard far too many Protestant ministers, my husband's mother for one, finding nothing wrong with binging watching porn on a daily bases to believe they know more then the Catholic church on salvation. As Paul speaks about the sexual immoral not making it into heaven.
@purgatorean *RCs always run when they see these questions. Lol. If Roman Catholicism is truth or Church of the Bible, why was there not a single New Covenant believer saved in a Roman Catholic way in the whole Bible? Why is that so? Please explain coherently intelligently.* - submit to Roman pope to be saved - devote to Roman Mary to be saved - be in Roman Church to be saved - partake Roman sacraments to be saved - baptise in Roman baptism to be saved - do lots of works to be saved
even in this video at 2:43 where he says the "once and for all" the Gospel says WE MIGHT become the righteousness. it says MIGHT!!!!! that means you have a chance but you still need to REPENT and you still need to confess Jesus with your mouth.. those are actual works and JAMES chapter 2 verses 24 thru 26 clearly say that faith without works is dead. that contradicts Paul. so which is it ??? the answer is for those with eyes, see, for those with ears hear, for those with the holy spirit, be inspired. God knew Adam and Eve would fail as he knew satan would flip evil yet he still made them. God predicted Jesus from the beginning yet he still made a covenant with Israel. he still knew he would make a great nation form Ishmael too. He KNEW a bunch of kings would worship baal and disobey yet he still made his EVERLASTING COVENANT and the 144,000 STILL comes from Israel exclusively. so why would you have such a hard time believing James chapter 2 ???? and why judge the Roman Catholic church, GOD KNEW they would take over the churches, that was his plan. Let the wheat grow with the chaff. do you not understand that Esau was the older brother with the birthright but Jacob LIED and FOOLED his father into giving him his blessing. THIS WAS GODS WILL even though deception is wrong is it not ??? so do not be jealous of the Catholic Church it is God's will.
Face it, Protestants, Protestantism has not brought you the peace and happiness that you thought it would. So many unsureties. So many unanswered questions. So many denominations, each one teaching something different than the ine down the street. Come home, Protestants, to the True Church of Christ, where we have unity and surety of faith. Catholic Church, founded by Christ, first century a.d. Protestantism, invented by Martin Luther, 16th century a.d. "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me." --Jesus (John 14:6)
yet another unchristian attack on another denomination this time roman catholic but its just one of many these people denigrate what hypocrites take a look at yourselves before you judge others
@Barry Baker *BIBLE also says cut off your hands and feet if you sin why dont you do so? LOLOL* Mar 9:43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched- Mar 9:45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched- YOU: you will be cut off and thrown to the fire.
I didn’t really follow the logic he set forth. But, the following is what Catholics believe concerning salvation... Have we been saved? “Yes, I’ve been saved the Bible way - through the gift of God’s grace. But this salvation is a process as Scripture tells us - so I have been saved as in Eph 2:8/Rom 8:24; I am in the process of being saved and remaining in the right relationship with God as in 1 Cor 1:18, 1 Cor 15:1-2, 2 Cor 2:15 and Phil 2:12; and I hope to be saved by remaining faithful to Christ as in Matt 24:13, Mk 13:13, 1 Cor 3:15 and 2 Cor 7:10. And I must persevere to the end as in Heb 3:14, 1 Cor 9:27, 1 Cor 10:12 and Rom 11:22, otherwise I will be “disqualified” and “cut off”. By cooperating with God’s grace I can have faith and good works. This process includes being baptized in obedience to Christ as in 1 Pt 3:21, Gal 3:27 and Rom 6:3-4. I must also persevere in my faith and good works throughout my earthly life. My salvation past, present and future is all through the grace of Jesus Christ. I simply must respond to the love given to me.”
Jason M, no disrespect but you ARE NOT saved. You are a works salvationist and not saved. Your view depends on you and the bible view depends on Christ. Here is what must be done for salvation according to scripture. Don’t be fooled! Don’t be one of those who will be turned away on that day when men stand before the Lord. The way is narrow and the road is straight FEW be that find it. Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Verse 22 MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Verse 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it. We do not get saved (go to heaven), get right with God, by being good, by being religious, by praying a prayer, being baptized, asking Jesus into our hearts, accepting Jesus as our personal Saviour, confessing our sins, joining a church, cleaning up our lives, doing penance, taking the bread and the wine, or doing all these thing accumulative. Salvation takes repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, Acts 20:21. Make no mistake. We cannot be a friend of Christ and remain a rebel against God. The word repent, from the Greek word “metanoia”, means a change of mind or direction. That change is not 50%, 75%, or 99%. It is 100% or we are not repenting. God is not receiving those who almost or kind of repent. It is like the word about face which is a 180 degree turn. We turn from not wanting God fully in our lives to accepting Him fully in our lives. When any person comes to the place where they are broken over their sin to the point they want to get right with God no matter what it will cost them they are in a state/spirit of repentance toward God. We then take that heart we have towards God and place it on the Lord Jesus Christ as Lord and Master and that becomes faith. At that moment God’s grace through Christ is applied to us and we are born again, saved from eternal hell and sealed by the Spirit so that we will never again return to the practice of sinning. 1John 3:9,10. Repentance of sin is the result of the new birth/salvation and will be part of the sanctification process and our new life with the Lord Jesus Christ, Eph 2:10. While we may sin from time to time after salvation it will not be our practice 1John 3:9,10. John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. REV. 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Fred, but keeping the commandments do does not save us. We are saved by grace through faith, NOT WORKS. Obedience to His commands is the result of salvation, NOT how we are saved.
Issues like these have no influence on the faithfuls' religious life. What they care is to have a practical relationship with God. Simple people, be they catholic or whatever, they don't pay any mind to all these things, which just serve as a mean for self-proclaimed theologians to argue among them. These issues bring nowhere but to hatred and division. They are useless in a real spiritual life. They do not help a believer to improve his vicinity to God. The more you pretend to reach a theological truth, the more you fail. God doesn't want us to be intellectuals, and He hides Himself when try to understand his secrets through reason. Be simple, and you'll get closer and closer to God. Turn off your intellect, and a new light will shine in and out of your whole being.
"Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. As a result, many of them believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men." Acts 17:11-12. The Bible seems to disagree with you. Carefully studying the scriptures and understanding them is repeatedly instructed, modelled, and commended in the Bible. Understanding the gospel especially is important and stressed in the New Testament over and over again. How one lives is very much affected by their belief.
The Church of Christ guided by the Holy Spirit, for two thounsad years has taugth us to adore Christ, the bread come down from heaven ( Jhon 6,35), and that true bread can only found in the Church that Christ founded, my Lord Jesus Christ bless you and your family, my friend Jhon Stewart, please pray for me, i will pray for you.
The Holy Ghost does not lead people to men only to God 1 john As for you, the anointing which you received from Him (Holy one) abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him. Friend ask him to let you be born again
Dr. Scott Hahn was very anti Catholic and studied his way INTO the Catholic Church. He now has a group that helps bring about 150 Protestant pastors per year into Roman Catholicism. He has many many videos on RUclips
Scott Hahn was a presbyterian and many of them have the same "gospel of works" just like Roman Catholics. So it s not a big difference really. He s been deceived in any case. Remember: "At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children". ruclips.net/video/XGabP7okMkg/видео.html On every 1 person who becomes a Catholic, 6 others leave Roman Catholicism. THat s according to Pew research. Do you know why the Argentinian was chosen to be a pope? because 20-30 % of Brazilians left the catholic church in the last 20 years or so. South America is becoming more and more evangelical. There are less and less Roman Catholics. 50% of those who leave Roman Catholicism, they leave it for a protestant church.
missthunderstormable I know nothing about Presbyterian ism. I do know that Scott Hahn hated the Catholic Church. The Bible tells us “half left Jesus that day.” So it doesn’t surprise me many are leaving the Catholic Church.
missthunderstormable True. But when Jesus told Paul “Why doth thou Attack me?” Paul was not attacking Jesus. Paul was attacking the church. Which grew into the Roman Catholic Church. So Jesus associates himself with the church.
that s your interpetation, who says it grew into the Roman Catholic church?, the one Paul persecuted was in Jerusalem. Mind the word ROMAN catholic church, it was a church in Rome. Roman Catholic church is a far cry from the one apostles started in Rome. It has furthermore NOTHING to do with it. It is an abomination. It killed God s saints during its long reign, so how can it be identified with the church of Jesus Christ. I dont have to mention how bloody its trail is. Read Andrew Miller s : Church History to get an idea.
We either receive mercy, justice, or non-justice. Mark 2:1-12 God is merciful. God does not have to be merciful and forgive if a debt is paid. Penal Substitution is the very foundation of the Reformation belief in having our sins imputed to innocent sinless Christ and Christ's righteousness imputed to sinful us. This is unjust because, "Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent- the Lord detests them both!" Proverbs. 17:15 Jesus is truly God and truly man, but ONLY ONE PERSON! No Bible verse says GOD, the First Person of the Trinity pours out His wrath, damns, cuts off, and CURSES GOD His Son, and imputes or transfers our sins to The Second Person of the Trinity while on the cross making Jesus a sinner to pay a debt. This separates the Persons of Eternal Trinity and so tears apart the very being of God into tri-theism. Ontologically "God is love!" 1 John 4:8 "No one speaking by the Spirit of God can say, "Jesus is accursed!" 1 Corinthians 12:3 Jesus says, "I am in the Father and the Father is in me!" John 14:11 The Eastern Orthodox belief for 2000 years, God willingly (John 10:17-18) and in love (1 John 4:8) became a man in the person of Jesus Christ, lived a sinless life, fulfilled the law, and died on our behalf on a cross to go into Hades to set the captives free (1 Peter 3:18-20), and rose bodily from the grave (1 Corinthians 15:17) thereby defeating and conquering death, sin, and the devil. (Hebrews 2:14-15; 1 John 3:8) "Since the children have flesh and blood, Jesus too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death-that is, the devil- and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death!" Hebrews 2:14-15 "You murdered Jesus the Creator of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this. . . . But this is how God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the prophets, saying that his Messiah would suffer. REPENT, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord!" Acts 3:15, 18-19 "Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will GRANT them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will!" 2 Timothy 2:25-26 When we REPENT, by turning from sin and receiving Jesus Christ, we are forgiven and cleansed of sin and are credited as righteous because we are made righteous by being in union with Christ and receive the Holy Spirit! (Romans 4:5, 7; Galatians 2:20) An alien mere legal declaration of righteousness by imputation without transformation is a legal fiction. If Jesus was made a sinner to pay a debt then Jesus should be in hell! "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness!" 1 John 1:9 So we are made righteous! If a debt is paid, there is no need for forgiveness! "God was IN Christ reconciling the world to himself!" 2 Corinthians 5:19 God was not pouring out wrath on His Son! JESUS CHRIST IS RISEN! JESUS CHRIST CONQUERS! IC XC NIKA
If 'once saved, always saved' (OSAS) is true, then what will happen to a believer who in later years, due to the influence of bad company/internet, begins to live selfishly, doesn't do good works, surfs porn, have an affair with his secretary behind his wife's back, etc, and was suddenly killed in an accident? My question is, after accepting Christ into his life in his earlier years (and being justified), is he still saved and bound for heaven? The pastor in the video seems to think so (yes). I beg to differ. It's a misguided if not dangerous doctrine to believe that God will forever declare us righteous even if we sin grievously after our initial baptism/conversion. *Reason is because God is also just* . So, I don't think there is such a thing as a 'free pass' to heaven for the guy who died in the accident mentioned above. The doctrine of "once saved, always saved", seems just so wrong. We cannot take for granted that this doctrine is true. What do you think? Peace.
our standing with God is not affected by the way we live if we believe in His gospel. We are not saved because of our righteous living, but because our faith in Christ. Paul was also asked that question, his accusers told him that he preached lawlesness. But he answered that the gospel of grace is NOT a licence to sin. So it is not. That is why he exhorted believers not to live selfishly but to consider themselves dead to sin. Holy Spirit is doing his work. A church or commandments of the church or anyone else, cannot do that work. Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. Christians CAN live in sin. It is not after our Father s heart, but they DO live in sin sometimes. Nobody can tell how long. But they can, and they do. Holy Spirit works in their heart to repent and come into a relationship with Christ again. It is HIS work. One thing is STANDING WITH GOD and yet another RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST("without santification nobody will see the Christ"). If Christ died for our past sins only, then He has to die again and again for every future sin we do. And we know that HE DIED ONCE FOR ALL and bore our sins only ONCE, and said IT IS FINISHED. Of course He died for ALL SINS, PAST, PRESENT and FUTURE.
miss thunderstormable Thanks for your response. I do agree with you in most of the things that you have said eg the Gospel is not a licence to sin; that Christians can sin and do live in sin. Having said that, I'd like to come to the example I first posted. You say: He (Jesus) died for ALL SINS, PAST, PRESENT and FUTURE". So, if I understand you correctly, you are saying that the adulterous man who died in the accident is saved? If you believed so, then I think such a belief/doctrine of 'guaranteed' salvation, if I may call it, does not square with the teaching of the Church since its inception. The weight of 2,000 years of history should at least caution us about the validity of such a novel doctrine which the ancient Church then and the Church now has never taught. And the reason this "once saved, always saved" doctrine was never preached/taught by the Church was because the doctrine is not supported by scripture. Jesus died for all sins, yes. But the forgiveness of our sins depends on our repentance for these sins. Your sins and mine in future will be forgiven *after* we repent of them in future. In the example of the man who died suddenly in the car accident, if he did not repent of his adulterous/lustful/fornicating ways, his soul is at stake. That is what I am saying. I just hope people don't fall for the once-saved-eternally-saved doctrine. It's a novel doctrine as I mentioned earlier, and I think it's downright dangerous for anyone to believe that this doctrine is true. Peace
The Lion and his lamb Agree. That is why Jesus did not leave us to use our own logic and reasoning to interpret/understand scripture. He left us *His* Church to teach & preach, to bind & lose. Not listening to the teachings of His Church is a sure-fire way to fall into error and false doctrine, as history has amply shown. Peace
Be careful Eric, saying you can't learn yourself and instead depending on other men is still using personal logic and reasoning to understand the Word. Does the NT not tell us the Holy Spirit will teach and reveal the Word to us? All you did was transfer the responsibility to other men instead of yourself. And you are still in the same danger of falling into the doctrines of men instead of the Word of God. In fact, the Bible tells us specifically to be Bereans and search the things others say out in the Word for yourself to see if they be true, and not just blindly follow the words and teaching of men because they to a certain church or denomination. Sound doctrine comes directly from the word of God, not from the word of men. Never just assume a thing is the Word of God and sound doctinre just because a man or teacher in a church said so. Your comments sound like your faith is more in your church and men that in Christ and the Word of God. That is a very common problem in churches throughout America today, they are followers of men and doctrines of men instead of Christ and the Word of God.
Nicene Creed from the 4th century! I believe in One God, Father Almighty, Maker OF heaven and earth, and OF all things visible and invisible! And in One Lord, Jesus Christ, The ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER BEFORE ALL AGES! LIGHT OF LIGHT, True God of true God, BEGOTTEN not made, Of one essence with the Father, Through whom all things were made. Who for us men and our salvation came down from heaven and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became man! Crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, he suffered and was buried. And was Raised again on the third day according to the Scriptures. And Ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of the Father. And He is Coming again in glory to judge the living and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end! And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life, WHO proceeds from the Father, WHO together with the Father and the Son is worshipped and glorified, WHO spoke through the prophets! And in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Ekleeseea! I acknowledge one baptism into the remission of sins! I await the resurrection of the dead, and The life of the ages to come! AMEN!
@Barry Baker *False claims. Jesus was addressing Jews under Mosaic Law. Not Gentile Christians. Only unbelievers and Jews under Mosaic Law are judged by works for salvation. Romans 2, Rev 20:13. Christians are saved by grace through faith, NOT BY WORKS. Eph 2:8-9.* YOU: Because you care not good fruit(works/faith/actions) you will be cut off and thrown to the fire. The fire is eternal damnation and destruction.
@@billyhw5492 If you are RC, you’re only getting a 10 minute Sunday sermon. A good Bible teacher is important. My favorite is Dr Andy Woods, the best I know of.
There is nothing unholy in the presence of God. So we are going to be sanctified (in fact) before gain entrance to the heaven. You protestants believe that the holiness of Christ is a mask that allows us to heaven. You call It justification. The Catholics believe that Christ opened up the possibility of salvation, but it will only be effective when we are (really) saints by the sanctification work of the Holly Ghost and our labours together. In life or in death. In my way of view, If I follow the Catholics in this point, I'm also ok if the protestants are right. But if I follow the protestants, I can end up unprepared if the Catholics are right.
Renato de Melo Filho - Hi Renato de Melo Filho! That is quite a plan! The only problem is it's not Biblical! You must read the Scriptures to show youself approved and we are told to work out our own SALVATION with fear and trembling - *Philippians. The Gospel of JESUS CHRIST doesn't have a back up plan! Pray and ask GOD to please teach you the TRUTH! We are justified by believing the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST!!! We are saved by Grace, (GOD'S Grace), through FAITH, (*Romans 10:17- "So then FAITH cometh by hearing, and hearing by the WORD of GOD." ) ALONE in CHRIST ALONE!!! GOD Bless you!
Kimberlee Rivera - Thanks for your answer and may God bless us all. I didn't deny the principles you listed, that's why I said I was OK with the protestants (unless the say catholics can't be saved). You should read my comment better before denying what I didn't write.
Catholics can believe whatever they want. The Word of God clearly tells us over and over and over again that Salvation is a FREE GIFT of God through faith alone. You make the cross of Christ of non effect when you say its YOU who brings salvation through your own works and hands. Works are for our rewards at Christ's return, NOT for salvation. You can have all the good works in the world but never have salvation if your faith and trust is not in Christ alone. Some who enter heaven will have a LOT of work and rewards, others will have few to none beyond eternal salvation.
I believe the Roman Catholic church has seriously erred in three fundamental areas: in its approach to God, the Bible, and salvation. 1) In its approach to God, Roman Catholicism approves the veneration of (i.e. bowing down before) images and relics, encourages praying to the saints, and promotes Mary to a semi-divine status. All of these constitute varying forms of idolatry, which Scripture condemns (cf. Exodus 20:4-5; Leviticus 26:10; Acts 10:25-26; Revelation 22:8-9). 2) In its approach to the Bible, Roman Catholicism elevates church tradition to a place of authority equal to (and in practice higher than) Scripture. The Lord Jesus condemned first-century Judaism as apostate because it likewise elevated the traditions of men above the Word of God (Mark 7:6-8). 3) In its approach to salvation, Roman Catholicism adds various sacramental works to the gospel of grace. In a similar way, the apostle Paul condemned the Judaizers because they added self-righteous works to the gospel (cf. Acts 15:1-11; Romans 11:6; Galatians 1:6-9). These fundamental issues, in addition to a host of other doctrinal problems (e.g. purgatory, the papacy, priestly celibacy, indulgences, the Apocrypha, etc.) lead me to reject Roman Catholicism.
I’m not Roman Catholic but playing devils advocate. If you’re going to refute Roman Catholicism you need stronger arguments than these. 1. To compare veneration and intercession of saints to idolatry is a weak argument. Roman Catholics do not worship saints, they do not view them or their images as ‘divine’. Yes they elevate Mary unjustifiably. 2. The bible condemns human (little t) tradition, as opposed to Christian (big T) Tradition. (2 Thessalonians 2:15, Colossians 2:8, 1 Corinthians 11:2) 3. Sacraments are not the same as self-righteous works. Roman Catholics believe in the free gift of salvation and that it cannot be earned, however they have a different perspective on receiving and growing in that free grace. There is a nuanced distinction between this and a ‘works based’ salvation. "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone." (James 2:24)
SquizzoManizzo Finally, someone who has atleast done their researched I am a Catholic. We all believe in Jesus and I still consider all of us to be of one spiritual body, one spiritual church; so let’s glorify the Lord together
1. Well in practise the Roman-Catholics pray to saints and ask them to mediate between them and Christ. You can call it 'Dulia' and not 'Latria' all you want. That's just plain adolatry and therefore false worship. 2. When the Bible speask on tradition with big T, it is speaking about the Gospel that the apostles gave to the churches (2 THes 2:14, 1Cor 4:6). Roman-Catholics reject that, and say that besides the God-inspired scriptures there is another source for divine revelation, namely the oral tradition, that only the magesterium can conveniently identify. Not really the idea of the Biblical big T tradition. 3. If you trust in any thing other than Christ, you are self-righteous. So if you trust in baptism, eucharist or penance for your salvation that would be heresy (Gal 1:8). The Bible says we're forgiven at the moment we put our trust in Christ's finished work (John 3:36). Catholics believe the sacraments helps us merit eternal life. I mean there is no nuance here, just a more complicated version of 'works based' salvation, meaning that your works ultimately get you into heaven. So I think his arguments weren't weak at all.
SquizzoManizzo - The COUNCIL of TRENT- says that if anyone proclaims - "JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH ALONE IN CHRIST ALONE APART FROM WORKS - LET THEM BE ANATHEMA!" That is not "FAITH ALONE IN CHRIST ALONE!" Works can't get us saved - we are saved unto good works. Our works are as filthy rags - they can't save us - especially you can't add works to the CROSS OF CHRIST. That's like saying what CHRIST did on the CROSS wasn't enough! Loke we have to add something - no! (Nothing in my hands I bring - only to the CROSS I cling.) Our works do not help us to gain SALVATION. The COUNCIL OF TRENT is a ROMAN CATHOLIC STATEMENT OF FAITH - check it out.
Jesus said “Pick up your cross and follow me.” Jesus said “He who endures till the END shall be saved.” Jesus said “If your brother won’t listen to the church.” The guys on this video DONT LISTEN TO THE CHURCH
Important questions... Who saves, the church or Christ? Who died, the Church or Christ? How do you become part of the Church? How do you become a son of God?
@@soportetecnico7131 Jesus founded a church, and that is the Catholic Church. Catholicism has a direct lineage back to the apostles and back to Christ.
Yeah no. The bible says that faith without works is dead. Plus there is no "faith alone saves you" in the bible. Our works don't save us, Jesus saves us, but faith is like going up an escalator, if you are stagnant in the faith and don't keep doing corporal or spiritual works to get grace and stay strong in your faith, you will go down the escalator, you either get stronger or weaker in faith, you either go up or down. Good works doesn't save us, but gives us the grace to keep saying "yes" to Jesus's will. Saying yes to Jesus everyday brings us closer in a relationship with him. We choose to say yes to Jesus by doing his will, or we say no.
353 Never reject the prophets of the Lord Friday, February 24th, 2012 @ 21:45 My daughter, it is imperative that you remain silent as the persecution begins. The Holy Word of My Eternal Father will be rejected, by those very sacred servants who claim to proclaim the Truth of His Most Holy Word. The Catholic Church is the One True Church. All churches will unite to become one Holy and ApostolicChurch at My Second Coming. Until that happens every Word from My Father, given to a spiritually dry world, will be either, ignored, challenged or fiercely opposed. Those who will fiercely oppose My Messages, given to you, the 7th messenger for the end times, will be divided into two camps. Those who follow Satan through new age fortune telling and witchcraft. The others will be those who are spiritually blind, but who believe they are divinely inspired with the Gift of the Holy Spirit. Both will reject the Word of God, given to you through the Holy Trinity and My beloved Mother. Even good priests, forbidden to publicly endorse these Messages, will feel it is justified to vilify My Holy Word for all the world to hear. With little true humility in their hearts, they will set out to undermine this Call from Heaven, which is being given to help humanity. These priests, clergy and other self-appointed apostles, who claim to know Me, will try to encourage souls to reject My Word. They have no shame, for they will arrogantly pull My Book of Truth apart, as it is being revealed to all of mankind. Then, they will shred the contents, with venom in their hearts. They do not want to hear the Truth, for it will upset and rattle the cocoon of false security within which they wrap themselves. Oh how they offend Me. How much damage they will cause and yet, they do not realise this. Pray that these souls, blind to the Truth, through the influence of the deceiver, will open their hearts and accept the Word of God as it is presented to them today. They have no right to publicly dismiss these Messages without discerning them, with a clean soul, which must be humble in all things. While God allows the sufferings experienced by His visionaries on Earth to ensure that souls are saved, He will not tolerate the abuse of His anointed prophets. You, My daughter, are a prophet. You accept suffering as a gift to me. But, this is not about you, for you are nothing without Me and you know and accept this. God, My Father, speaks to the world through His prophets. It is His Word you reject, when you publicly slander His prophets. For this is a sin in His Eyes. Never reject the prophets of the Lord. Never hurt or harm His prophets in any way. Remain silent at all times if in doubt and pray for them. Attack the true prophet and fire will pour forth upon you from the Heavens in punishment by the Hand of My Father. No man will stop the Word of the Lord from being given to His children. This is the promise made by My Father since the beginning. Hear His Voice. Accept that you are in the end times. Pray that these Messages will be heard, so that all of God’s children will have Eternal Life. Your Teacher Redeemer of all Mankind Jesus Christ The Book of Truth online. Messages from God, Jesus and Mary to last prophet Maria Divine Mercy from 2010 to 2015.
Hee C Your prophetess is doing the work of satan and you've been deceived along with her. You need to repent and believe the Christian gospel. Salvation is only by God's grace, through faith in Jesus Christ alone, apart from your works. It's a gift from God, not something you do for yourself. Your prophetess opposes holy scripture and contradicts it. Please read the New Testament and compare it to your religion.
The RCC is the largest "christian" cult by a large margin. It's not the first century church. Examine it's rotten fruit from it's beginning. The history is there for anyone to see. Research popery, I doubt if any of them were or are true believer's. It's been antichrist since it was established.
God has ALREADY established the order in which we are to live. God's ways and thoughts are "higher" than ours (Isaiah 55:8-9). We all initially go "off the spiritual grid", simply because we are human, and we emotionally process everyone and everything first. We easily "miss the mark". It is imperative that we are mindful of "human to God contrast" before we approach ANYTHING coming from God. Since we, on earth, are all human, that means that the minister AND the person being ministered to, will be "off"; not right or wrong, but "off", like in "not hitting the target". For example, when Mary was told that she would become pregnant with the Savior of the world, she "processed" that and replied, "how shall this be, seeing I know not a man" (Luke 1:34). When Jesus said to Nicodemus, "except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God", Nicodemus "processed" that, and replied, "how can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Neither Mary nor Nicodemus were "right or wrong"; they were "off". The minister is the one who must first implement this crucial first step in "seeing" what the Lord is saying. This requires humility before Him on our end. You want "human to God contrast".
Exactly and ALL the Protestants are purposely ignoring/abolishing that verse to justify their own version of GRACE as LICENSE-TO-SIN and that's why , they are wandering Lost Lambs and there are MILLIONS of them. sad indeed.
OBJECTOR: Well, there you have it. That was almost a direct quote from Romans 3:28: "For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the law." That phrase by faith apart from works of the law sounds to me like Paul is saying that justification comes through faith alone. CATHOLIC: Romans 3:28 is a key verse in the differences between traditional Protestants and Catholics. You will notice that Paul says a man is justified by faith (pistei in Greek). When Martin Luther translated the letter to the Romans into German in the sixteenth century, he added the word alone -but alone is not in the original Greek text. The phrase "faith alone" does occur in the New Testament: one time, in James 2:24. There the inspired apostle denies that justification is from faith alone. Let me quote it: "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone."
mark walker I would suggest considering the word 'apart'. To ignore it in this passage is to ignore the obvious logic of this passage. Its definitely making a distinction between faith and works. You could essily read it also as "faith without works". The emphasis is justification by faith, alone. Its easy to see. 'apart, without, instead, alone' would all make sense and fit the basic idea being portrayed here. The word 'apart', as well as the rest of the sentence "from works of the law" was not added by Luther. Luther was reading Paul and ran across verses like this which the Holy Spirit opened his eyes to and he started realizing the heresy of the Catholic Church. This is basic history that all scholars agree upon.
did the Holy Spirit also make Luther a rabid anti-Semite? hmmm, so all the doctors of the Church and church fathers (the ones who KNEW the apostles in some cases) they were all wrong and we had to wait 1,500 years for a monk to set the whole church straight....hmmm, i think NOT!
ok, then answer the "other" part of my statement, that the fathers of the church knew what the apostles meant, and anyone would see that 1,500 years later they, including your anti-semite friend luther, might have a much more difficult time knowing what Christ meant and what the apostles taught orally..ok? here is something else to consider, you or anyone else, cannot know for sure when Christ spoke metaphorically or literally, you need an Authority to tell you when He did, you have no such authority, the Church He left does...therefore stop trying to figure it out and read the CATECHISM of the Catholic Church, the work has been done, just read it!
The Roman Catholic church is not the official universal church spoke of as "the church" in scripture. The church, as the bride of Christ, is made up of all believers in Christ worldwide. Very early on the Roman Catholic church started misinterpreting and misapplying scripture in grossly large ways and this can be easily seen by how it contradicts the very early doctrines of scripture that were commonly understood by the true "early church" of the 1st and 2nd century. The roman catholics were actually the one to misinterpret and missaply scripture, and it was never intended to be the authority on scripture. Scripture is its on authority and one can easily read it and know what it teaches.
The descendants ( Christ) of a woman (Mary), strikes the head of the snake (satan), ( genesis 3,15). That is why the satan hates the Mother of Jesus and the Church of Jesus. About our heavenly Mother, i say what the Angel Gabriel and the Holy Spirit said" Hail you are, highly favoured, the Lord is with you, blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb. ( luke 1,28; 42)
And he said, How can I, except some man guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him, (Acts 8,31). As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, onto their own destruccion.(2peter 3,16). Hold the traditions which you have been taught by word or our epistle, ( 2 Thess. 2,15 ).
Psalms 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. Galatians 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. 1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. I will now admit the testimony of king David brethren justifies why the Son of God came to destroy the works of the tempter who is called the devil here in 1 John 3:8. Also to destroy the sins of the devil what is that going to bring to pass it will make people children of the freewoman as well.
Romans 9:15
I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy. I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
So it depends not upon a person's will or exertion, but upon GOD, who shows mercy.
And God is just so His mercy is not void to those who love Him and seek Him. I’d even go to say His mercy and grace are upon all in some way anyways for a time. While we were yet sinners Jesus died for us. Even those that don’t believe have his grace and mercy for a time. The goodness they enjoy comes from Him wether they acknowledge it or not. How much more does his Grace and mercy extend to those that believe on Jesus…? It’s eternal at that point.
That doesn't mean that God does not respond to a person's actions. See Job for example.
John 6:37
New American Standard Bible
37 Everything that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I certainly will not cast out.
Exactly. It is totally an act of God.
@@CWRobinsonMusic Yes, general grace falls on everyone. The offer of salvation is to all, and He doesn't turn away any who seek after Him. The real question is who will seek after Him but those whom God has called. The natural man does not seek after God.
@@arcguardian You contradicted yourself. First you say it is the person who responds, then you say it is those whom the Father gives to Christ.
Job is a poor example because Job was a devout Godly man and God allowed Satan to test Job.
If we have to work for our salvation then Christ died for nothing. Galatians 2:21
Sultan Mehmet II James meant works are the evidence, not the means. Works are not your doing, it is the Holy Spirit moving within you. I know it is hard to accept, but once you come to Christ, it is game over. Your work is done. Trust the promise. Matthew 11:30.
Works are a part of active belief in Jesus Christ. We are not earning our salvation, we are accepting it. Just as following the commandments of God are good works. We need to define our terms. I actually wrote a thesis on good works and salvation, advised by Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, and Presbyterians. Most were in agreement even as protestants. Dig deeper, friend. You can't scratch the surface and expect to have an argument against a church's teaching.
Also, you say "final" word of God as if He changed His word. God is unchanging. God is outside of time. He doesn't change His word.
Britain Lord Come now, we are not like our Muslim friend down there with his work based religion. We both know that justification comes through faith alone. Sanctification is the work of the Holy Spirit within us. It is not of us. The evidence of Him working within us can take many forms. Please don't add on because the free gift is too good to be true. It is not that complicated. Luke 18:17 Please no master thesis reply;) God Bless:)
I would only agree, as with certain terms being defined. Works are necessary for accepting the gift of salvation. God bless
Amen to that! Thank you Jesus! Full glory to Jesus!!!!
Growing up from 1st grade to 3 Rd I was Catholic. In every Catholic church I attended, they are all filled with all types of statues/ Idols. Demons are behind and in idols. Praying to idols of any kind is literally praying to demons
What I love about Piper is his ability to expose the heresy & false doctrine of anti-Catholic theology. Good job sir. You will forever be remembered.
Believers obey God's law by faith, and not to build their own righteousness. The law does not provide faith, but it is Christ who is the author and finisher of our faith. We do not make void the law of God, but rather our faith upholds the law of God.
Be blessed
For those who truly love Christ for what he did for us, will & should pursue what he also told us to continue doing.
Agreed, when you are saved you WANT to be good, because of the Holy Spirit and out of gratitude for what Christ has done for you, not because you HAVE TO be good.
ONLY God is good. Matt. 19:17
@Dominus Vobiscum To say "WE CAN keep sinning" implies that you WANT to keep sinning, which is the exact opposite of what my comment is saying.
@Dominus Vobiscum no
Dominus Vobiscum if u continue to live in sin it means u haven’t accepted Jesus as ur lord and saviour
@Dominus Vobiscum Yes. But thats why Paul says, shall we go on sinning that grace may abound? by no means! how can you who died to sin still live in it!
Salvation is a gift. You cannot work for gifts. Ephesians 2:8-9.
Bin Sam bruh. Protestants don't not allow anyone. If you're saying we don't say LGBT is a sin you're wrong. I've never heard a church accept that. It's obviously a sin. Just cause one says different doesn't mean all. We're not like y'alls Catholic churches pal 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Bin Sam We aren't like y'all 🤦🏽♂️. We don't follow a council's decision. We just go by the Word. If a denomination says they include LGBT marriages doesn't mean they all do. We don't conform to a decision like that, it just depends on that church. I've been to many churches and have never heard any inclusion of the LGBT. They can be saved though, we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God. If they want to be saved they can be saved by Grace through faith. They must confess and turn from their sins because this follows true faith. But there's nothing we can do to earn it, it's a gift of God.
Bin Sam There's literally nothing wrong with what I said. We are saved by Grace through faith. And faith with works is dead yes. That's why I said they'll turn away from their sin if it was true faith.
And why do you keep bringing up LGBT? I mean we are not like y'all because we don't follow what man says. If the pope says something y'all follow and change y'all's beliefs around them. (Example: immaculate conception of Mary) We don't follow a council or none of that. Just the Bible. Just cause ONE Protestant church accepts something, doesn't mean we all do pal. 🤦🏽♂️ That's what y'all do.
Also I didn't really understand what you said at the end. I don't think English may be your first language so if you could clarify what you meant.
Unless God opens the eyes of Catholics you will NOT ever help them understand that Jesus and Scripture is ALL you need. I was Catholic once which means I was indoctrinated since I was a baby to believe whatever the catholic church taught which is .....Salvation is Jesus plus, plus, plus, plus, plus....if you think about it, its an attractive offer for the church to do all the work on your behalf. You don't have to carry your own cross. Just go to church every Sunday because that's where God is. The Almighty can be boxed in a little building and fit to a schedule. MY GOD is omnipresent and I can talk to HIm ANY time of the day/week. Because of what HE DID. not what I do.
and protestants are not indoctrinated ? get real just listen to this man bad mouthing others he is as bad as the people he is critizing
Amen! ✝️
I have no reason to believe that you were a Catholic.
@@georgepierson4920 nobody cares about what you believe lol
@@JesusWept1999 I know Protestants do not care about what God revealed.
What an interesting and a major Theological topic i.e. Imputation versus impartation righteousness through Jesus Christ. Thank you Dr. Piper.
I am catholic, and as such i believe that my Church is that of Christ, but every day of my life i pray with all my heart to my Lord so that all of us who love Christ, let us together fight the evil one, and all together let us say to the Lord, " Your Kingdom come to us". Brothers, my Lord Jesus bless you all, and bless Jhon Piper, i admire him.
We fight the evil one by obeying God's Word in the Bible. We come to salvation by grace through faith. We submit to God's commands, seek to be more conformed to the image of Christ, and do so by seeking the things of above and not the things of this world. As part of that, we are instructed to go and make disciples of all nations.Catholicism does not follow the Bible. It errs in many ways and has led many astray, greatly assisting the evil one rather than fighting against him.If you want to fight the evil one, follow God's Word, not the Catholic Church.
Hey man, I’m not catholic but I just disagree with a lot of traditions that the roman catholic Church has.
John C I agree.
Hey for 24 yrs, i was a Roman Catholic, till 1996, when i left this "church" when i read the bible n became A Catholic!(belong to The universal Churcn of JESUS CHRIST). Amen n Amen👏👏👏👏
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Catholic Church and House of Israel will be persecuted
Sunday, March 4th, 2012 @ 15:30
My dearly beloved daughter, the time for the opening of the Seals, which will result in you opening the Seventh Seal, is almost upon you.
Because of your prayers, much upheaval is being averted.
You, My followers, are accepting My Cross and you will unite with the Immaculate Heart of My Mother, as you march towards My Glorious Kingdom.
As the falsities and depravities of the world escalate, so too will the faith of those who lead My Army.
The churches will be persecuted. Namely, the Catholic Church and the House of Israel.
Many will be pleased. These two religions will be tormented and every effort, both externally and within, will be made to eradicate any trace of either.
There will be great rejoicing around the world when they have fallen.
Many will consider them to be destroyed. People will then ignore their corpses.
But this would be foolish. For they will rise again to form the New Heaven and the New Earth as the Gates of My Paradise are opened.No one can nor will destroy My chosen people on Earth.
They may inflict pain, torture, death, and demolish the very buildings and temples set up by them to honour My Father.
But, then they will rise and reclaim their rightful thrones, when they will reign with Me in Paradise.
Never reject God.
Never reject His churches, for if you do you will be following the path of deceit to eternal damnation.
Your Saviour,
Jesus Christ
The Book of Truth online.
Messages from God, Jesus and Mary to last prophet Maria Divine Mercy from 2010 to 2015.
It is not about what you are doing, it is about what Jesus did✝
But faith without works is dead. Protestants tend to forget that.
Not only. Jesus does not choose to save us without our own cooperation.
@Asaph Vapor Catholics do not believe that works alone will save us. We believe that BOTH faith AND good works are necessary for salvation. Faith that does not blossom into good works is no faith at all.
@Asaph Vapor Good works the fruit, not the seed, of salvation. I can agree with that. Good works done by non-believers or persons in the state of mortal sin, while commendable, profit them nothing for salvation.
But good works still must be done, or the Lord will withdraw His grace from us and we will sooner or later fall into mortal sin. The rich man in the Lazarus/rich man parable had faith---he called on his spiritual father Abraham---but he lacked the good works of helping the poor, so God sent him to Hell.
@@georgepenton808 This is why catholics are not saved. They believe faith plus works saves you. When Jesus did ALL the work on the cross. That's why Jesus gets all the glory. Catholics are trying to bribe their way into heaven by their works. When the true Christian chooses to do works simply because we are thankful that we are already saved and 1000% sure we are going to heaven. That's the beauty of the true Gospel. Believe alone that Jesus Christ died for your sins according to the Scriptures, was buried and rose again on the 3rd day according to the Scriptures. Over 500 witnesses seen Jesus risen. Believe alone in that Gospel and you will have eternal life. Jesus is our only hope. Only in Him alone and not of ourselves. Read 1Corinthians 15:1-6 and Ephesians 2:8-9
Neither does the Arminian view of salvation in that your salvation is dependent on your making a decision for Christ give Christ all of the glory for salvation.
Thank YOU JESUS, I want to be perfect for you!
Be Catholic then!!!! Jesus started the Catholic church!
Dont listen to Pastor John!!’
@@johnyang1420 ...the New Testament church that Jesus started in the Book of Acts is called The Way, not catholic.
Velonda...thru Christ’s death on the cross, you have already been declared righteous. His righteousness has been added to your account. You are righteous because He is righteous...what wonderful news!
The church in Acts is the Catholic church. Jesus only started one church....the Catholic church. Matthew 16:13-19. Read your bible.
I was a Roman catholic and when I understood the biblical teaching of Justification by faith alone, on the merits of CHRIST alone, I can only quote one of the Reformers " the door of Paradise swung wide open and I walked in"...thanks for the reminder John Piper...❣❣❣
Another post from a wandering lost Lamb. And to think that there are MILLIONS of you out there in the world is saddening.
it is sad that you turned your back on the one Church established by Christ to follow man-made doctrines. The apostles never taught salvation by faith alone and neither did the early Church. "Faith alone" was an invention of Luther and the reformers, so it is indeed another gospel.
@@GR65330 Exactly ! PROTESTant Leaders are the ones deceiving all these christians who gullibly believe these FAITH ALONE and GRACE-covers- sins doctrines.
As Jesus says....." Many will be deceived " and MILLIONS are indeed being deceived by Lucifer's pack of Wolves.......the so called Born again christian/Prosperity and 10%TiTHING MANmade doctrines which are all motivated by one thing.......MONEY.
Marcel….you left the Catholic church that Jesus started. Please come back.
Here's my invitation for everyone here esp. you Marcel.
type a video titled......
" Baby Girl Sees Mama Mary in Medjugorje! Crowd are left in Tears at what happens next! beautiful"
Scroll down to 1 WEEK AGO till you see a man's post/named....
JOE JOHNSTON.
Read his post titled
DELUSIONAL PAGANISM.
Then, Read ALL almost 300 comments under it.
Read how I exposed this so called BORN AGAIN christian man's Manmade, New-ager, false and CULT church, for the world to see.
See/hear you there.
AMEN!
What are views on the Book of Enoch, Pastor John?
T.I Vlogs haha my cousin used to call me that he said I would be in my own world, like I daze off or think so much out of the box
Oh Thanks a lot for you concern! Ik about astral projection and all the "spiritual" practices people try and tap into, but it's not safe at all..makes you so vulnerable to demonic presence like you said.
Book of enoch is interesting to me only beacause in the book of jude it takes a passage from the book of enoch, not sure if it belongs with our bible though. It does not seem to align with the rest of the scriptures.
@@wojo9732 No it certainly doesn't belong in the Bible. Or it'd be there.
It's not inspired Scripture.
Paul quotes the Greek poets too... obviously that doesn't mean that their pagan writings are Holy Inspired Scripture right?
Enoch can be an interesting read. Historical and all.
But do not consider it as Scripture or infallible.
I love John Piper for this! Thank you for explaining this so clearly and simply. My one gripe is he's too kind to the institution of Roman Catholicism. I do realize that most Catholics are sincere seekers, and I appreciate the comment that the Council of Trent might have been genuinely worried about lawlessness. But the institution has taken the doctrine of works to a whole other level that i have a hard time finding sincere. For example, with indulgences. I remember how incredulous it was when the Vatican announced indulgences for participating in Vatican events at a Youth Summit the pope was attending, including via social media. This is no way to preach the gospel.
• Lord, please heal our land... 2 Chronicles 7:14
• Lord, protect those working on the front-lines serving the sick, hungry, poor and homeless
• Lord, let all Christians and churches reach-out with Your hope and love while people's hearts are open
• Lord, how can I bless my church financially during these challenging days
• Lord, please use me to bless others in Jesus' name
We are praying for you today...
Blessed, Blind & Broken
Wow!!! Thank you Pastor John! That is such a great encouraging truth. We have been saved by grace through faith. It is a gift. Praise be to God who gave us His only begotten Son. To Him be all the glory!
Grace is a free gift. But we have to do a lot of work with that grace to be saved.
"Work out your salvation with fear and trembling."
--Phillipians 2:12
"Faith without works is dead."
--James 2:26
"The Son of man will judge each according to his works."
--Matthew 16:27
See also Matthew 25:31-46.
George Penton “But we have to do a lot of work with that Grace to be saved” - if that’s the case, then we have a part to play for our salvation? Half of the grace is free through the death and ressurection of Jesus and the other is our works? Is that right? Because it says in the bible in Ephesians 2:8-9 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast”. This verse is clear as day telling us that it is by God’s grace that we have been saved through our faith and not by works!
This is the difference between catholics interpretation of “works” and Born Again’s interpretation of “works”: catholics have to follow traditions to attain graces, such as going to mass, etc. Because on doing so, u are coopersting with God’s graces. For Christians, “works” is the result of our salvation by grace through our faith. When we repented and accepted Jesus as our Lord and Saviour, we were forgiven. It is when we received the Holy Spirit in our lives as Jesus promised to all of us, and it is the Holy Spirit’s works in our lives that transforms us into a “new creation”. It says in 2 Corinthians 5:17 “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!” - and we feel it because our lives changed. People around us can see the changes too. See people’s testimonies on how Jesus changed their lives here in youtube, from drug addicts to Christians and so many others, all of us have a story to tell on how God changed us. That is what u call a transformation only God can do. We have become new creation in Christ. And because we have the Holy Spirit in us now, He renews our mind daily and the result of that is we become more and more obedient to Christ and His words. As a result, we do good works and do things that are pleasing to God. This is the “works” that we Christian mean.
@Asaph Vapor That's the best comment I've read in a while. Hallelujah.
Pastor John promotes the Protestant heresy!!! Follow him, you will lose your salvation. Jesus started the Catholic church. Dont follow Luther!
Asaph Vapor sucks!!!
Can't it be both? Of course, all our guilt is done away forever the moment we first believe, and God sees us as holy and as much as his children as his firstborn Son. But isn't it true that saving faith, if it is genuine, both frees and motivates us to more and more imitate Jesus, leading to righteous actions? In that sense, his righteousness is imparted on us. It doesn't contribute to the effective cause for our salvation, but it sure matters for those around us whether we bring fruit, and only thanks to Jesus and his Spirit in us can we actually do that. When God says "you're righteous now", you aren't just righteous on paper, because he is a God who speaks, and it happens. We must only be wary that we don't begin to try to prove our worthiness or similar folly. That would quench the freedom that comes from believing in God's full acceptance.
Yes, it's actually both, simultaneously.
@Barry Baker *Which cult are you from - which you call "one true church">?*
@1234poppycat *1. Scriptures only ACCEPTS all traditions of Jesus and Apostles, 2 Thes **2:15**; but REJECTS all traditions of men, Mat 15, Mat 23, Mark 7. 95% of Roman Catholic doctrines were from traditions of men. Not from traditions of Jesus or Apostles.*
*- Acceptable Traditions (those of Jesus and Apostles, 2 Thes **2:15**)* and
*- Unacceptable Traditions (traditions of men, Mat 15, Mat 23, Mark 7).*
*2. It is interesting to note: that even authorities like Jesus, APostles and NT CHurch also appealed to Scriptures only for doctrines. We often see them citing from Scriptures/Written Word only for doctrines (180 plus times they did that just in NT alone). Not once did we see them citing traditions as support for any doctrines. NOT ONCE.*
Where? "A little bit of leaven, leavens the whole lump."
"The "Gospel" of Roman Catholicism fails. 🙈🙉🙊✅
Justification: Christ BOUGHT it with His blood, which removes the sins we committed from God the Father's mind. This is imputation. ImPARTation is when the Holy Spirit comes in our spirits and causes our lifestyles to MATCH what God already thinks about us, because of Christ's blood and death.
Imputation is simply false. The problem is that you are saying that God is a liar. God is not a liar. He does not declare someone to be righteous who is not actually righteous. Read Romans 15:19 "through the obedience of the one man the many will be MADE righteous." People are made righteous. Not merely labelled like snow covering cow dung.
@@mosesking2923that doesn't make sense. It's like you don't even understand a thing about Jesus being sacrificed in our place.
Very helpful… thank you and God bless you
"Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven."
[Matthew 7:21]
[22] Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
I'm assuming this is attempting to prove that we are not justified by faith alone? I'd love to have a discussion with you about that.
@Asaph Vapor "In the treasures of wisdom is understanding, and religiousness of knowledge: but to sinners wisdom is an abomination."
[Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) 1:26]
Amen! AMEN! Thank you for speaking Truth.
“We are partakers of the DIVINE NATURE.”
-Bible
2 Peter 1:3-4
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
@@STEVEinNC amen
Amen to this. ❤
I meant divide us!
Why don't we see Piper's view demonstrated in the early Church?
We do, read any of the book of acts
@@wojo9732 Start with Clement of Rome (80 AD) and Ignatius of Antioch (100 AD) and onward....this is what really turned me from Protestantism
The problem is there is no "pope". Satan has ruined and decieved you and started the great whore catholic church by twisting Jesus meaning to peter.
@@wojo9732 Thanks for the educated response
@@ryanpope7891 But its a good point there is no justification for a pope. Christ is our high priest why do you need to confess to the priest when God told us to confess our sins to him. Why does the Roman Catholic church believe that the priest or pope can forgive sin when their men, not God? Why do you pray to Mary and saints who were men instead of solely leaning on Jesus like we are instructed? The Roman Catholic Church only seeks to take the place of God rather than worship Him
If being saved is based on faith alone and requires no works on our part why does the Our Father say “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us”. See also the
Parable of the Unforgiving Debtor. Matthew 18:21-35 and James 2:14-26. “You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.”
On Matthew + Unforgiving Debtor: It is because "faith without works is dead." Faith alone saves, but if we have no works or are not better in some tangible way then it is almost certainly proof that we have not been changed and therefore do not truly have faith. If someone says they value honesty yet always lies, then we would doubt that they truly value honesty. James is talking about how we recognize someone as being justified. Paul is talking about the process by which we are justified. If someone has no works, then we have no proof that they are not merely professing faith that they do not have. An example I have heard: is that if you were to tell me you have been hit by a truck, and I see that you do not have a scratch on you then I will be very doubtful that you have actually been even though you earnestly say you have. Likewise, if someone has heard the destiny and life-changing Truth but has not changed because of that then they have cause to be concerned about their faith and soul. If justification is by works, then how many works are sufficient to merit heaven?
you are to do good works as s result of being saved, but not to be saved.
there is a difference God grace saves us.
@Annette Catholics also believe we are saved by faith but what is faith? Is it a feeling or a thought or an action. We believe that your faith is your actions and your actions are your faith. In the book of James it talks about how Abraham demonstrated his faith by being willing to sacrifice is only son because God told him.
Jesus once said Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
John Piper, I know you love the Bible. For a very long time, I have had an inward struggle about understanding the salvation between justification by faith or works because of the commands of Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount and especially the paradoxical verse of James 2:24. It says very explicitly, "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone." It was this conflicting verse that made me doubt the Bible's validity. I also had other questions such as, "How do we know what books should be in the New Testament if there was no Bible to show it?" The doctrine of Sola Scriptura by Martin Luther relies heavily on circular reasoning. I knew that the Church had made rules for which books should be included, but once again there is no scripture to tell them how to act. After taking a New Testament class at my school, I began to understand how the Holy Spirit worked in the very early church as recorded in Acts. The apostles had the divine authority by Jesus to say what they had to say because of the Holy Spirit, which is the one part of the Trinity who lives inside of US as Christians, yet is the least talked about part of the Trinity of God. I decided to box the Holy Spirit or the Spirit of God every time I read it in Scripture, and it is astounding just how many times it is mentioned in both the Old and New Testaments. I believe this very Holy Spirit is leading me to the Catholic Church because any person can claim to have the Holy Spirit and interpret the Bible how they want. But there is something about the authority about the Catholic Church that regulates doctrine so that Christians can focus on Jesus and their practical faith, not just the doctrines of Scripture for worldly debate. I have not heard many Protestants explain this issue of authority, and I have heard many straw man arguments. Can you (or somebody) please address this sometime, or point me to someone who has addressed this? Thank you.
We must be extremely careful not to add to the truth.
(Jesus speaking to the pharisees and scribes)
You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said:
“‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;
in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”
- Matthew 15:7-9 (ESV)
The works are how the Holy Spirit testifies that we are saved. But the works come after salvation. They are the result of being born again as God gives us a new heart with new desires.
@@JosephRout We must also be very careful to not take away from scripture, which is what the reformers did, when they removed whole books from the canon.
@@shomshomni2314 This is the Catholic position on salvation.
@@intedominesperavi6036 Catholics believe that you must follow sacrements to be saved. Also the Catholic Church removed the second commandment from your Bible. Look it up.
If Peter was "the first pope" then why didn't Paul call him and treat him as such
James 2:17 So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead.
True. Do you believe that´s a contradiction to Ephesians 2:8-9?
@@monamuller8969 I don't believe it's a contradiction. How we are saved, and what is expected of us spiritually after we are saved is what is being contrasted. being saved by grace is without works and is on God alone (as we all understand). but having grown in faith (hebrews 11:1) gives breath to works that are good. if you have faith, you're works will change from lawless to righteous. basically: Jesus said that if you love my Father, you will obey his commands. to know me is to know my Father. He tells us to repent.. Repenting is an act of works done by a changed mind. "be changed by the renewal of your mind."
@@rennjadan7505 I mean I agree with what you say.
The only part I don´t fully understand is this one:
_Repenting is an act of works done by a_ _changed mind. "be changed by the_ _renewal of your mind."_
What do you mean by an "acts of works"?
@@monamuller8969 the acts of works: being changed by God in your mind and spirit so that your actions are consolidated specifically to these things, coming from the former.
the works of the Holy Spirit, by which you act upon there after.
biblehub.com/romans/12-2.htm
@@monamuller8969 james 2:24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
@purgatorean *God and His Words is anti RC doctrines though. Wonder why RCs refused to read the Bible?*
1. Catholics say Mary was forever virgin. Yet Bible says Jesus had brothers and sisters. Mary was not perpetually virgin. Mk 6:3, Mat 13:55, Mat 27:56, Mar 6:3, Mar 15:40, Mar 15:47.
2. Catholics say clergies must be celibate. Yet BIBLE says Peter (supposed R Church first leader) had mother in law. Bible says celibacy is not a qualification for clergies. Mat 8:14-15, Mar 1:30-31, Luk 4:38-39.
3. Catholics say Mary was sinless. But Bible says Mary offered a sinner's offering. She was a sinner. Bible says Mary needed a Saviour. Lk 2:23-24, Lev 12:6-8, Rom 3:10.
4. Catholics say confess to R priests in a box. BIBLE says nothing about confessing to priests in a box. Bible says confess to God only. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6, Romans 10:9-10.
5. Catholics say drink of the physical blood of Jesus. Yet OT and NT both say do not drink blood. Acts 15, Lev 7:26.
6. Catholics say pray to passed on Mary and "saints". Yet Bible says do not contact the dead. NT Church did not record a single case of NT believers asking passed on saints to pray for them. Deut 18:11, Isaiah 8:19.
7. Catholics make and bow down to statues. Bible says do not bow down to graven images (statues). Deut 4, Exo 20:4-5.
8. Catholics sprinkles “holy water”. But NT Church of the Bible mentioned nothing about “holy water”. There was no record of any Apostles sprinkling “holy water” on believers. Catholics claimed “holy water” came from OT. Yet Num 5:17 says “holy water” was water used to test adulterous women in OT temple. Hardly the same. Those were for Old Covenant Jews. Not New Testament Christians.
9. Catholics say Peter was pope - bishop of all bishops. Yet Bible says Peter was just a leader of the Jerusalem Church. Bible says nothing of the office of bishop of bishops. Gal 2:9, Mat 16:18.
10. Catholics say there is a seat of Peter. Yet BIBLE says nothing about it. Jesus said “not to lord over others”.
11. Catholics has clergy priesthood. Bible says clergy priesthood was done away with in New Testament. There is no clergy priesthood in NT. Heb 7:27, 9:12, 10:10.
12. Catholics preaches Works Salvation (faith + good works + partake R sacraments + submit to R pontiff + be in R Church + devote to Mary = to be saved). Yet Bible says “believe in Jesus to be saved”. Bible says Works Salvation is cursed. Gal 1:8-9. Acts 16:30-31, John 3:16, Romans 10:9-10.
13. Catholics says they must do Penance to atone for their sins. Yet Bible says repent, confess and sins will be forgiven. Catholic Bible changes the word “repentance” in NT into “penance”. Original Greek NT does not use or mean the word penance. Penance = work to atone for sins. Repentance = change of heart. 1 John 1:9, Mat 6.
14. Catholics say Mary went straight to heaven without dying. Yet Bible says nothing about it.
15. Catholics say Islam and Christianity have the same God. Yet Islam doesn't believe in death and resurrection of Jesus and Trinity.
@1234poppycat *If Roman Catholicism is truth or Church of the Bible, why was there not a single New Covenant believer saved in a Roman Catholic way in the whole Bible? Why is that so? Please explain coherently intelligently.*
- submit to Roman pope to be saved
- devote to Roman Mary to be saved
- be in Roman Church to be saved
- partake Roman sacraments to be saved
- baptise in Roman baptism to be saved
- do lots of works to be saved
I don't think the RCC disagreed with the reformers because they feared lawlessness, but rather they feared loosing control of the people. Scripture makes it really clear as to our justification through faith in Christ.
This comment section reads like the fight scene in Gangs of New York
Except the stakes are higher.
Yeah well that was an RCC cult propoganda flick so....
@1234poppycat *Bible calls Roman pagan traditions "traditions of men", Mar 7:8, Col 2:8*
1. Any doctrines not from the commandment of God or Mosaic Law were called tradition of men.
2. Philosophies based on principles of the world and not according to Christ/God were called traditions of men.
Mar 7:8 *For laying aside the commandment of God* , you hold the *tradition of men* -the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do."
Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the *tradition of men* , according to the basic principles of the world, and *not according to Christ*
*Many Roman Catholic traditions (doctrines) were not based on commandments of God/Jesus or Mosaic Law. And they were not according to God/Jesus. A lot were based on philosophies of the world too. So they should be discarded.*
*Examples of that: Jesus did not command making of statues and bowing to them in a Church. These kind of traditions should be discarded. And many more.*
@mayermackenzie *That's the first L Roman religion tells you. RCs love demonstrating they do not read the Bible. Even precursory reading of the book of Acts tells you Roman religion was not the Church CHrist founded. The First CHurch was Jerusalem Church centred in Jerusalem. Acts 2, Acts 11:26. Not Roman Catholic Church centred in Rome. The First Believers were Jewish Christians, Not Gentile Roman Catholics.*
you said
Seems odd that the church that Christ started would get this wrong for 1500 years.
roman pagan priests claim they can remove sins from people by saying 'ego te absolvo', that is 'I forgive you'(the priest claims to be forgiving sins of another).
Confession is in bible John 20:23.
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Confession as rome practices it is blasphemy of the highest rank.
@@onemarktwoyou you speak from the view of Islam. come back to real Christianity.
sadly it is true.
@@johnyang1420 yes directly to Christ not to a sinner
Replacing legalism with more legalism.
That legalism comes from Jesus because he started the Catholic church. Every good school has rules!!!
@@johnyang1420 Jesus did not argue "imputation vs impartation"... That is more a pharisees thing!
@@RSanchez111 *Yes John Piper is preaching heresies of Works Salvation!*
@@johnyang1420 *Hello IQ Zero. Is Roman cult a school?*
@@jediv3381 IQ Zero is your autobiography.
So are you saying a person can ask for salvation and go mess up small or big and not repent? Are you saying that a person can continue sleeping with their girl friends/ boyfriends? Y’all need to speak to Holy Spirit for guidance
no that is not what grace means you still have to repent, but our righteous acts are like filthy rags in His sight.
@@AnnetteMurphyger thank you! I love Almighty YAH & keep His Commandments as these Instructions from Abba קדוש are best for me & all His Children.
I was wording it in a way that reveals a persons heart if they answer against His Word & say yes they can choose for themselves like Paul said & do what seems right
Yes we can choose, but we are either choosing Him or His enemies
Blessings in YShua
Watch the YT- Chanel Truth Unites or Mike Winger for the more of the Protestant View☺️
Very well explained, so helpful! What RCC does to Jesus is so sad. They are so man-centered.
Kenneth Copeland walks in the Spirit.
@@billyhw5492 I guess he walks in some spirit.
It is painful that we cristians are divided, against the command of Jesus, that be one as the Eternal Father and Jesus are one ( Jhon 17,21). The pagan world has taken advantage of this and has fallen into idolatry of money in selfishness, drugs, pornography depression, abortion, gender ideology and atheism. We must pray with love of God, for each other. ( Sorry for my writing, i am from Costa Rica, Central America, my language is spanish).
I believe the Roman Catholic church has seriously erred in three fundamental areas: in its approach to God, the Bible, and salvation.
1) In its approach to God, Roman Catholicism approves the veneration of (i.e. bowing down before) images and relics, encourages praying to the saints, and promotes Mary to a semi-divine status. All of these constitute varying forms of idolatry, which Scripture condemns (cf. Exodus 20:4-5; Leviticus 26:10; Acts 10:25-26; Revelation 22:8-9).
2) In its approach to the Bible, Roman Catholicism elevates church tradition to a place of authority equal to (and in practice higher than) Scripture. The Lord Jesus condemned first-century Judaism as apostate because it likewise elevated the traditions of men above the Word of God (Mark 7:6-8).
3) In its approach to salvation, Roman Catholicism adds various sacramental works to the gospel of grace. In a similar way, the apostle Paul condemned the Judaizers because they added self-righteous works to the gospel (cf. Acts 15:1-11; Romans 11:6; Galatians 1:6-9).
These fundamental issues, in addition to a host of other doctrinal problems (e.g. purgatory, the papacy, priestly celibacy, indulgences, the Apocrypha, etc.) lead me to reject Roman Catholicism.
Marco Garcia I'm sorry to say that but Catholic doctrine is not based on Scriptures. Plus the worship to Mary, bowing down to statues, praying the dead, worship of the cranes,... www.google.co.kr/search?client=ms-android-skt-kr&biw=360&bih=264&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=XsniWqj1I8ey0ATG4I-gDA&q=worship+to+cranes+pope&oq=worship+to+cranes+pope&gs_l=mobile-gws-img.3...9249.11859..12781...0....570.1287.0j3j0j1j0j1..........1..mobile-gws-wiz-img.Qj6T8pQg70A%3D#imgrc=W6ZAxcAUG0fBMM:
well the RCC needs to stop preaching error and come back to the truth of the Gospel.
@@AnnetteMurphyger The Catholic Church is guided by the Holy Spirit from the beginning 2000 years ago. My Lord Jesus bless you
Not so, reply Catholics. First, the verse from John refers to the things written in that book (read it with John 20:30, the verse immediately before it to see the context of the statement in question). If this verse proved anything, it would not prove the theory of sola scriptura but that the Gospel of John is sufficient.
Second, the verse from John’s Gospel tells us only that the Bible was composed so we can be helped to believe Jesus is the Messiah. It does not say the Bible is all we need for salvation, much less that the Bible is all we need for theology; nor does it say the Bible is even necessary to believe in Christ. After all, the earliest Christians had no New Testament to which they could appeal; they learned from oral, rather than written, instruction.
Much the same can be said about 2 Timothy 3:16-17. To say that all inspired writing “has its uses” is one thing; to say that only inspired writing need be followed is something else. Besides, there is a telling argument against claims of Evangelical and Fundamentalist Protestants. John Henry Newman explained it in an 1884 essay entitled “Inspiration in its Relation to Revelation.”
Newman’s argument
He wrote: “It is quite evident that this passage furnishes no argument whatever that the sacred Scripture, without Tradition, is the sole rule of faith; for, although sacred Scripture is profitable for these four ends, still it is not said to be sufficient. The Apostle [Paul] requires the aid of Tradition (2 Thess. 2:15). Moreover, the Apostle here refers to the scriptures which Timothy was taught in his infancy.
“Now, a good part of the New Testament was not written in his boyhood: Some of the Catholic epistles were not written even when Paul wrote this, and none of the books of the New Testament were then placed on the canon of the Scripture books. He refers, then, to the scriptures of the Old Testament, and, if the argument from this passage proved anything, it would prove too much, viz., that the scriptures of the New Testament were not necessary for a rule of faith.”
Furthermore, Protestants typically read 2 Timothy 3:16-17 out of context. When read in the context of the surrounding passages, one discovers that Paul’s reference to Scripture is only part of his exhortation that Timothy take as his guide Tradition and Scripture. The two verses immediately before it state: “But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it, and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus” (2 Tim. 3:14-15).
Paul tells Timothy to continue in what he has learned for two reasons: first, because he knows from whom he has learned it-Paul himself-and second, because he has been educated in the scriptures. The first of these is a direct appeal to apostolic tradition, the oral teaching which the apostle Paul had given Timothy. So Protestants must take 2 Timothy 3:16-17 out of context to arrive at the theory of sola scriptura. But when the passage is read in context, it becomes clear that it is teaching the importance of apostolic tradition!
The Bible denies that it is sufficient as the complete rule of faith. Paul says that much Christian teaching is to be found in the tradition which is handed down by word of mouth (2 Tim. 2:2). He instructs us to “stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter” (2 Thess. 2:15).
This oral teaching was accepted by Christians, just as they accepted the written teaching that came to them later. Jesus told his disciples: “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me” (Luke 10:16). The Church, in the persons of the apostles, was given the authority to teach by Christ; the Church would be his representative. He commissioned them, saying, “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations” (Matt. 28:19).
And how was this to be done? By preaching, by oral instruction: “So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes by the preaching of Christ” (Rom. 10:17). The Church would always be the living teacher. It is a mistake to limit “Christ’s word” to the written word only or to suggest that all his teachings were reduced to writing. The Bible nowhere supports either notion.
What is Tradition?
In this discussion it is important to keep in mind what the Catholic Church means by tradition. The term does not refer to legends or mythological accounts, nor does it encompass transitory customs or practices which may change, as circumstances warrant, such as styles of priestly dress, particular forms of devotion to saints, or even liturgical rubrics. Sacred or apostolic tradition consists of the teachings that the apostles passed on orally through their preaching. These teachings largely (perhaps entirely) overlap with those contained in Scripture, but the mode of their transmission is different.
Paul illustrated what tradition is: “For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures. . . . Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed” (1 Cor. 15:3,11). The apostle praised those who followed Tradition: “I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you” (1 Cor. 11:2).
The first Christians “devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching” (Acts 2:42) long before there was a New Testament. From the very beginning, the fullness of Christian teaching was found in the Church as the living embodiment of Christ, not in a book. The teaching Church, with its oral, apostolic tradition, was authoritative. Paul himself gives a quotation from Jesus that was handed down orally to him: “It is more blessed to give than to receive” (Acts 20:35).
Fundamentalists say Jesus condemned tradition. They note that Jesus said, “And why do you transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?” (Matt. 15:3). Paul warned, “See to it that no one makes a prey of you by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the universe, and not according to Christ” (Col. 2:8). But these verses merely condemn erroneous human traditions, not truths which were handed down orally and entrusted to the Church by the apostles. These latter truths are part of what is known as apostolic tradition, which is to be distinguished from human traditions or customs.
“Commandments of men”
Consider Matthew 15:6-9, which Fundamentalists and Evangelicals often use to defend their position: “So by these traditions of yours you have made God’s laws ineffectual. You hypocrites, it was a true prophecy that Isaiah made of you, when he said, ‘This people does me honor with its lips, but its heart is far from me. Their worship is in vain, for the doctrines they teach are the commandments of men.’” Look closely at what Jesus said.
He was not condemning all traditions. He condemned only those that made God’s word void. In this case, it was a matter of the Pharisees feigning the dedication of their goods to the Temple so they could avoid using them to support their aged parents. By doing this, they dodged the commandment to “Honor your father and your mother” (Ex. 20:12).
Elsewhere, Jesus instructed his followers to abide by traditions that are not contrary to God’s commandments. “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat; so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice” (Matt. 23:2-3).
What Fundamentalists and Evangelicals often do, unfortunately, is see the word “tradition” in Matthew 15:3 or Colossians 2:8 or elsewhere and conclude that anything termed a “tradition” is to be rejected. They forget that the term is used in a different sense, as in 1 Corinthians 11:2 and 2 Thessalonians 2:15, to describe what should be believed. Jesus did not condemn all traditions; he condemned only erroneous traditions, whether doctrines or practices, that undermined Christian truths. The rest, as the apostles taught, were to be obeyed.
The indefectible Church
How can we know which traditions are apostolic and which are merely human? The answer is the same as how we know which scriptures are apostolic and which are merely human-by listening to the magisterium or teaching authority of Christ’s Church. Without the Catholic Church’s teaching authority, we would not know with certainty which purported books of Scripture are authentic. If the Church revealed to us the canon of Scripture, it can also reveal to us the “canon of Tradition” by establishing which traditions have been passed down from the apostles. After all, the New Testament itself declares the Church to be “the pillar and foundation of the truth” (1 Tim. 3:15).
in my view, Jesus' sacrifice was a pure offering for sin. It did not mean that He 'became' sin', but that He became a sin-offering. I would say also we BEGIN by faith, not by works. But after that we have a responsibility to maintain (with the Grace God dispenses/gives, of course). We can, in the Lutheran view, 'lose faith'. There are too many passages to cite, but I would argue we can fall away by certain things we might do, so therefore as Jesus said, "The one who endures to the end will be saved."
*The Catholic Church Compiled the Bible at the Council of Rome, the Synod of Hippo and finally the Council of Carthage and took 3 Papacies to complete with 73 books originally over 300 years after the Apostles*
"For just as the body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead." James 2:26
Maria Schmidt hello Catholic, me too. LoL.
Does not seen to get much more clear than that.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FELLOW CATHOLIC
Justified before God by faith alone. Justified before men (who cannot see the heart) by works.
Salvation is always by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. As Jonah said salvation is of the Lord.
@@jerrybenson James 2:24 KJV
"Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."
@1234poppycat *You lack knowledge. Scriptures of modern day Bibles were already in all churches by ad100s. Roman pagans treat OT as non Scriptures. Compilation does not make Scriptures inspired or Scriptures. Stop making false claims Roman pagan.*
you said
We get the bible from tradition --- it was not written down until 30+ years after the Resurrection !! Not compiled until 390's
@1234poppycat *WHo says your Roman pagan traditions = Word of God? You?*
you said
Tradition is the Word of God passed down from one generation to the next
Pastor John, we are reading two different Gospels and Scriptures. As a Greek Catholic I read the Greek Bible, the original bible, the bible of the Early Church. The bible you are reading is a bible of the 15th century in the Latin text. You are talking about imputation, coming from the word imputatur which means ascribe. The Latin bible does use this verbage, but the original Greek does not use the word impute, meaning to ascribe. Ascribe in Greek is Apodido. Rather the word in the Greek text, the original bible, is Logizitai which means consider/reckon. These two words are very different in their understanding. If something is considered, than that means there is still work to be done. To ascribe means work is complete. Now the work of the cross is finished, but even when the apostles were bathed, their feet still needed to be cleaned (John 13). Therefore the work is not done as man is still prone to sin. Therefore the work must continue and faith is considered as grace, but it is not the end of the story. There has to be a picking up of the cross and following Jesus everyday. If you ascribe faith as righteousness, then your right faith and your done. If you consider faith as righteousness, well its not the end of the story, its a piece of it. Also how do you get around John 14? ("I am the way, the truth and the life") coupled with 2 Pt 1:3-5 (that we may be participants in the Divine Nature)? You can't your saying that faith was all Jesus had, that the only way, truth and life of Jesus, is faith because by it alone you are ascribed grace accounted for as righteousness. Yet, Jesus also had teachings, he had things we have to do (like feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty) and these are ways that our faith is made known and they are counted to us as righteousness (read James 2:22-24). Brother, you are teaching a different Gospel than what we received from the Apostle St. Andrew. I feel this is important to let you know, because I do not feel that you know this. Otherwise, you would not be teaching these things. I will pray for you, and I pray that you will pray for me.
I found your comment very interesting! Jesus bathed His desciples feet before He was crucified so do you think your point still applies here? Protestants believe that it is the good works which testify that we are saved as this is the fruits of the Holy Spirit, who gives us a new heart with new desires. The good works can only come after salvation as you come as you are and allow Jesus to recreate you.
@@shomshomni2314 The point is that a recreating still needs to take place. Salvation is only obtained at the end of the journey not during the journey. The Israelites were saved from the bondage of slavery, but they were not actually saved until they reached the promised land, it was at that point that they flourished as a nation. Since all of scripture points towards Christ and his saving work, we know that Christ by his Life, Death and Resurrection have freed us from the shackles of sin, but we also know that we are prone to fall back into this sin. In the theology of the early Church you are not saved until you pass over to judgement. You can read the letter of St. Paul, "For I have fought the good fight...I have run the race" if one was saved there would be no need for fighting, but since you are not saved until you pass over and receive judgement then one must keep fighting until you pass over to the other side. Furthermore, to say "I am saved" has put judgement in your own hands based off your own interpretation of scripture. In the Greek Churches, and in line with the early Church, we say that we beg God's mercy because only GOD can determine if one is saved because he alone is the final say and the judge. We do this daily through the Jesus Prayer (Lord Jesus, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.). Even this notion of saying "I am saved" sounds like Phariseeism (see the parable of the publican and the pharisee). It is making this statement "I am saved! I am not like these people! I am your Child!" Is this not the pharisee in the story? Even Christ makes note of this when he says, "For me shall come to me and say "Lord, Lord" and I will say I never knew you." These people thought they were "saved" so they thought that they were buddies with Jesus, in the end he did not know them. This must lead to the question how do we know the way? Jesus tells us through the Apostles and their successors, "I will send to you the Holy Spirit who will lead you into all truth." (John 14) It is the written documents of the Church speaking in unison (not one Church pretending they can say something and it be dogma like some Romans have done in the past) but it must be all of us Catholics speaking in unison. This was the whole purpose of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, because it is the voice of all of the Catholic Churches (there are 24 churches that includes the Roman Catholic, 14 Byzantine (Greek) Catholic and 9 Syriac Catholic Churches in Communion with each other) but even it has some issues.
People, stop listening to teachers of your own choice! The internet is full with these self-proclaimed teachers, who all teach another variant on the Gospel and build their own churches on top of it. All manmade chuches, manmade gospels and manmade Jesusses: an endless stream... what does Scripture say about this? Read Paul and John and stop with this eternal nonsense, people!
There is one Lord and one Gospel; one body and one faith. Nobody will be saved by means of his own gospel. Nobody! Not now and not ever.
I wonder how this reality impacts the facts of history. For well over a thousand years-generations and generations of people-the Orthodox and Catholic churches were the church in the world. Both have impartation theology. Yet, Christ did not leave the world without a faithful remnant at any point since his ascension. What can we make of those local churches and their faithful believers under the ecclesiastically pervasive bad theology?
What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds.
James is addressing false Christians and not saying that works save us. They are evidence of our salvation. You can sum it up this way. James is saying that if you say you are a Christian but you beat your wife, your faith is dead.
@@rickdavis2235 so basically if you don't do works your faith is dead therfore you aren't saved. And if you do works you have a true faith therefore you are saved
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No, that's not true. Works are proof that we are saved but not the cause of salvation. If we follow Jesus' two greatest commandments, we are saved and not doing any works.
Matthew 22:36-40 esv (Jesus is teaching)
34 But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him.
36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?”
37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
@@rickdavis2235 so works are proof of salvation does that mean we can still sin since we are saved already?
And doesn't loving one another sound like a work?
@@smart_joey_4179
" so works are proof of salvation does that mean we can still sin since we are saved already? "
Do you think you can be sinless? I know I sin every day because All have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God. We are saved while still sinners BUT if you continue to sin habitually and knowingly, you're not saved. That's where the fruits are evidence of our salvation.
1 John 5:18
18 We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.
This verse is referring to willfull, deliberate sinning: knowing that it's sin and doing it anyway.
Hebrews 10:26
For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Works Cannot Save Us:
We are not made righteous by the things that we do. We are made righteous by the declaration of God who, looking at the things that Christ has done, imputes them to us; actually righteous and perfect and that is what is imputed to us. In his passive obedience, Christ received himself the penalty that was due to us for our unrighteousness so our sin was imputed to Him in His passive obedience and it is this double imputation of our sin to Christ and Christ’s righteousness to us that makes us righteous. It doesn’t infuse righteousness into us. It is a declaration from God himself and it produces righteousness in us. There is no better news in the world than that.
We all live in fear. We all want to be right with God. There’s one who made you and I right with God and He took our sin to the cross. He lived the righteous life that neither you nor I could ever live and because of that, God has declared all of us righteous. Positionally, we are righteous immediately and we are actually being made righteous progressively through sanctification. There is no better news, and for those who are not in Christ, there is no worse news because what you’re trying to do through your religion is you’re trying to accomplish yourself what Christ has already accomplished and you are trying to convince God, that which only He can declare upon you. On our best day, our motives are impure and not enough.
We spend our entire lives believing and desiring that we can make ourselves righteous; that we can make ourselves acceptable to God and the gospel comes and says Jesus already did it. Our immediate thought is that it’s going to lead us to lawlessness. What’s going to keep me from lawlessness? How about the Spirit that raised Christ from the dead and your attending to the ordinary means of grace on a regular basis so that you can be reminded of this gospel again and again and again.
"And doesn't loving one another sound like a work?"
God is love and, if we have God in us, we are filled with His love.
Revelation 22:12
"Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to render to every man according to his works."
Take care n God Bless
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
Ephesians 2:8-10
We are meant to do good works, but this doesn’t save us
*@charles davey *Yes rewards is based on works. So?*
Jesus warned the Pharisees about mans traditions. That hasnt changed. Unfortunately, for them, the RCC are todays Pharisees.
@Bin Sam Question....did the priest tell you what is in the Bible or do you read your Bible? Be honest
@Bin Sam Who were the Pharisees back in Jesus time? Do you know?
What did the Pharisees do that made Jesus tell them their salvation was in question?
@Bin Sam if you dont understand about the Pharisees thats a problem. Understanding the Pharisees history is a common story that all people who consider themselves Christians know. Anyone who has read their Bible can answer what I asked you. If you cant tell me about the Pharisees then you cant tell me about Christianity. You can tell me all about the cath church but cant tell me the most basic thing about Jesus. That should worry you, it worries me
@Bin Sam did the Pharisees was Christian?
What does that even mean?
@@williamgullett5911
The funny thing is that the Pharisees were blind to Christ because they refused to believe. As a result Jesus spoke in parables to confuse them. The current Pharisees are the Protestants who just cannot figure out Catholicism and misunderstand or lie about it. Catholic doctrine is the parable to protestants.
Pastor John, if the Catholic Church then is wrong on justification and that justification is therefore one legal transaction, and not a santification or a moral transformation, why is then that St Paul, after saying that we “HAVE BEEN SAVED THROUGH FAITH AND THIS IS NOT FROM OUR OWN DOING,” is also saying that we should “STRIVE FOR THAT HOLINESS WITHOUT WHICH WE SHALL NOT SEE THE LORD,” and that we should “WORK OUT OUR SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING”? And why is then Jesus Himself is saying that “WE SHOULD PERSEVERE TO THE END”?
@Luther V, before I answer all your manifestations to me and show you your ignorance of what the Catholic Church truly teaches about salvation that is surely freely given to us by God in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, let me ask you few questions.
First, why are you assuming of something that I did not say? Did I not say that "We should WORK OUT our salvation with fear and trembling," as what the Bible says, and not "WORK FOR our salvation..." which you assume I suppose?
@Luther V, before I answer all your manifestations to me and show you your ignorance of what the Catholic Church truly teaches about salvation that is surely freely given to us by God in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, let me ask you few questions.
First, why are you assuming of something that I did not say? Did I not say that "We should WORK OUT our salvation with fear and trembling," as what the Bible says, and not "WORK FOR our salvation..." which you assume I suppose?
@@lutherv9317, before I answer all your manifestations to me and show you your ignorance about what the Catholic Church truly teaches about salvation that is surely freely given to us -- a gift, indeed -- by God in our Lord Jesus Christ, let me ask you few questions.
First, why are you assuming of something that I did not say? Did I not say that "We should WORK OUT our salvation with fear and trembling," as what the Bible says, and not "WORK FOR our salvation..." which you assume I suppose?
@@lutherv9317, oh sure?
I'm surely unlearned, huh?
Let me see how really learned and smart you are if you know about Pelagianism or the Pelagian heresy of the 5th century, which taught about "salvation by works" but had been rejected and condemned by the Catholic Church since then.
Has your learned pastor even cared to tell you about that, or has he himself never known about it in the first place, just like you?
Hey,@@lutherv9317, I'm still waiting for your reply!
About how well you and your pastor know about Pelagianism.
Let me see how really learned you and your pastor are, and how an intellectual and logical discussion with you about our Christian faith can go...
And you said "Except Catholics still WORK FOR it"? Really?
Tsk tsk, what a misconception...
The Bible Said: "James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Catholics do "good works" in the hope of GAINING salvation while Christian's do them BECAUSE of salvation. ( I forget who to attribute this to )
You're wrong.
I am a by the Bible first devout Catholic. Believe it or not but that does not contradict. The original Catholics, the early Church Father's were like this. But for Martin Luther to have to remove whole books of the Bible in order to justify his stance that works don't really matter in salvation tells me the scriptures that show the importance of works such as Jesus saying He will not know us if we do not feed the hungry, comfort the dying and take care of those suffering is not misinterpreted by the Catholic church. I do not think Protestants are wrong one everything but I have heard far too many Protestant ministers, my husband's mother for one, finding nothing wrong with binging watching porn on a daily bases to believe they know more then the Catholic church on salvation. As Paul speaks about the sexual immoral not making it into heaven.
your husbands *mother* is a minister? That‘s completely unbiblical.
@purgatorean *RCs always run when they see these questions. Lol. If Roman Catholicism is truth or Church of the Bible, why was there not a single New Covenant believer saved in a Roman Catholic way in the whole Bible? Why is that so? Please explain coherently intelligently.*
- submit to Roman pope to be saved
- devote to Roman Mary to be saved
- be in Roman Church to be saved
- partake Roman sacraments to be saved
- baptise in Roman baptism to be saved
- do lots of works to be saved
even in this video at 2:43 where he says the "once and for all" the Gospel says WE MIGHT become the righteousness. it says MIGHT!!!!! that means you have a chance but you still need to REPENT and you still need to confess Jesus with your mouth.. those are actual works and JAMES chapter 2 verses 24 thru 26 clearly say that faith without works is dead. that contradicts Paul. so which is it ??? the answer is for those with eyes, see, for those with ears hear, for those with the holy spirit, be inspired. God knew Adam and Eve would fail as he knew satan would flip evil yet he still made them. God predicted Jesus from the beginning yet he still made a covenant with Israel. he still knew he would make a great nation form Ishmael too. He KNEW a bunch of kings would worship baal and disobey yet he still made his EVERLASTING COVENANT and the 144,000 STILL comes from Israel exclusively. so why would you have such a hard time believing James chapter 2 ???? and why judge the Roman Catholic church, GOD KNEW they would take over the churches, that was his plan. Let the wheat grow with the chaff. do you not understand that Esau was the older brother with the birthright but Jacob LIED and FOOLED his father into giving him his blessing. THIS WAS GODS WILL even though deception is wrong is it not ??? so do not be jealous of the Catholic Church it is God's will.
Face it, Protestants, Protestantism has not brought you the peace and happiness that you thought it would. So many unsureties. So many unanswered questions. So many denominations, each one teaching something different than the ine down the street. Come home, Protestants, to the True Church of Christ, where we have unity and surety of faith.
Catholic Church, founded by Christ, first century a.d. Protestantism, invented by Martin Luther, 16th century a.d.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me."
--Jesus (John 14:6)
Sorry George. Rely on the merits of Christ and not Papist traditions and you will have peace. See Ephesians 2:8-9.
Romans 5:1 We have peace with God, through our Lord Jesus Christ.
LMAO …..……. I'm doing great and don't have any reason to join the rcc ---- it's v2 documents say I don't have to be rc to be saved.
Not an argument. You are just appealing on the basis of emotion.
“You say come back home“ we say “Get out of the whore of babylon.
Who wants to buy a perfect used car from this man?!
Haha
yet another unchristian attack on another denomination this time roman catholic but its just one of many these people denigrate what hypocrites take a look at yourselves before you judge others
Amen!
@Barry Baker *BIBLE also says cut off your hands and feet if you sin why dont you do so? LOLOL*
Mar 9:43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched-
Mar 9:45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched-
YOU:
you will be cut off and thrown to the fire.
rome teaches witches existed and executed those they had declared as such, based on their claims of infallibility.
Protestants did the same....
I didn’t really follow the logic he set forth. But, the following is what Catholics believe concerning salvation...
Have we been saved?
“Yes, I’ve been saved the Bible way - through the gift of God’s grace. But this salvation is a process as Scripture tells us - so I have been saved as in Eph 2:8/Rom 8:24; I am in the process of being saved and remaining in the right relationship with God as in 1 Cor 1:18, 1 Cor 15:1-2, 2 Cor 2:15 and Phil 2:12; and I hope to be saved by remaining faithful to Christ as in Matt 24:13, Mk 13:13, 1 Cor 3:15 and 2 Cor 7:10. And I must persevere to the end as in Heb 3:14, 1 Cor 9:27, 1 Cor 10:12 and Rom 11:22, otherwise I will be “disqualified” and “cut off”. By cooperating with God’s grace I can have faith and good works. This process includes being baptized in obedience to Christ as in 1 Pt 3:21, Gal 3:27 and Rom 6:3-4. I must also persevere in my faith and good works throughout my earthly life. My salvation past, present and future is all through the grace of Jesus Christ. I simply must respond to the love given to me.”
Jason M, no disrespect but you ARE NOT saved. You are a works salvationist and not saved. Your view depends on you and the bible view depends on Christ. Here is what must be done for salvation according to scripture.
Don’t be fooled! Don’t be one of those who will be turned
away on that day when men stand before the Lord. The way is narrow and the road
is straight FEW be that find it.
Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord,
Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my
Father which is in heaven.
Verse 22 MANY will say to me in that day, Lord,
Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils?
and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Verse 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never
knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matt 7:14 Because
strait is the
gate, and narrow is
the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be
that find it.
We do not get saved (go to heaven), get right with God, by
being good, by being religious, by praying a prayer, being baptized, asking
Jesus into our hearts, accepting Jesus as our personal Saviour, confessing our
sins, joining a church, cleaning up our lives, doing penance, taking the bread
and the wine, or doing all these thing accumulative.
Salvation takes repentance toward God and faith in the
Lord Jesus Christ, Acts 20:21. Make no mistake. We cannot be a friend of Christ
and remain a rebel against God. The word repent, from the Greek word
“metanoia”, means a change of mind or direction. That change is not 50%, 75%, or
99%. It is 100% or we are not repenting.
God is not receiving those who almost or kind of repent.
It is like the word about face which is a 180 degree turn. We turn from not
wanting God fully in our lives to accepting Him fully in our lives.
When any person comes to the place where they are broken
over their sin to the point they want to get right with God no matter what it
will cost them they are in a state/spirit of repentance toward God.
We then take that heart we have towards God and place it on the Lord Jesus
Christ as Lord and Master and that becomes faith. At that moment God’s grace
through Christ is applied to us and we are born again, saved from eternal hell
and sealed by the Spirit so that we will never again return to the practice of
sinning. 1John 3:9,10.
Repentance of sin is the result of the new birth/salvation and will be part of
the sanctification process and our new life with the Lord Jesus Christ, Eph
2:10. While we may sin from time to time after salvation it will not be our
practice 1John 3:9,10.
John 14:21 He
that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it
is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I
will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
REV.
22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say,
Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the
water of life freely.
@@JohnSmith-ug5ci Just a point; keeping the Commandments are 'works' (e.g. obedience)
Fred, but keeping the commandments do does not save us. We are saved by grace through faith, NOT WORKS. Obedience to His commands is the result of salvation, NOT how we are saved.
John Smith: you say, "Obedience to His commands is the result of salvation"
What about when we choose to sin AFTER we have been 'Saved'?
Fred, I am not understanding your question. What do you mean what about our sin after salvation? It is a choice we make.
Issues like these have no influence on the faithfuls' religious life. What they care is to have a practical relationship with God. Simple people, be they catholic or whatever, they don't pay any mind to all these things, which just serve as a mean for self-proclaimed theologians to argue among them. These issues bring nowhere but to hatred and division. They are useless in a real spiritual life. They do not help a believer to improve his vicinity to God. The more you pretend to reach a theological truth, the more you fail. God doesn't want us to be intellectuals, and He hides Himself when try to understand his secrets through reason. Be simple, and you'll get closer and closer to God. Turn off your intellect, and a new light will shine in and out of your whole being.
"Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. As a result, many of them believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men." Acts 17:11-12. The Bible seems to disagree with you. Carefully studying the scriptures and understanding them is repeatedly instructed, modelled, and commended in the Bible. Understanding the gospel especially is important and stressed in the New Testament over and over again. How one lives is very much affected by their belief.
Could u you simple English to explain the later part RE the catholic doctrine.
The Church of Christ guided by the Holy Spirit, for two thounsad years has taugth us to adore Christ, the bread come down from heaven ( Jhon 6,35), and that true bread can only found in the Church that Christ founded, my Lord Jesus Christ bless you and your family, my friend Jhon Stewart, please pray for me, i will pray for you.
Has taugth you to adore Christ, Mary, Peter, Paul, Madre Theresa, the Popes, the church and so on...
The Holy Ghost does not lead people to men only to God
1 john
As for you, the anointing which you received from Him (Holy one) abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.
Friend ask him to let you be born again
Dr. Scott Hahn was very anti Catholic and studied his way INTO the Catholic Church.
He now has a group that helps bring about 150 Protestant pastors per year into
Roman Catholicism. He has many many videos on RUclips
Scott Hahn was a presbyterian and many of them have the same "gospel of works" just like Roman Catholics. So it s not a big difference really. He s been deceived in any case. Remember: "At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children". ruclips.net/video/XGabP7okMkg/видео.html
On every 1 person who becomes a Catholic, 6 others leave Roman Catholicism. THat s according to Pew research. Do you know why the Argentinian was chosen to be a pope? because 20-30 % of Brazilians left the catholic church in the last 20 years or so. South America is becoming more and more evangelical. There are less and less Roman Catholics. 50% of those who leave Roman Catholicism, they leave it for a protestant church.
missthunderstormable I know nothing about Presbyterian ism. I do know that Scott Hahn hated the Catholic Church.
The Bible tells us “half left Jesus that day.” So it doesn’t surprise me many are leaving the Catholic Church.
Catholic church is not Jesus.
missthunderstormable True. But when Jesus told Paul “Why doth thou Attack me?” Paul was not attacking Jesus. Paul was attacking the church. Which grew into the Roman Catholic Church.
So Jesus associates himself with the church.
that s your interpetation, who says it grew into the Roman Catholic church?, the one Paul persecuted was in Jerusalem. Mind the word ROMAN catholic church, it was a church in Rome. Roman Catholic church is a far cry from the one apostles started in Rome. It has furthermore NOTHING to do with it. It is an abomination. It killed God s saints during its long reign, so how can it be identified with the church of Jesus Christ. I dont have to mention how bloody its trail is. Read Andrew Miller s : Church History to get an idea.
Catholicism is to Christianity what professional wrestling is to Olympic sports
We either receive mercy, justice, or non-justice.
Mark 2:1-12
God is merciful. God does not have to be merciful and forgive if a debt is paid.
Penal Substitution is the very foundation of the Reformation belief in having our sins imputed to innocent sinless Christ and Christ's righteousness imputed to sinful us.
This is unjust because,
"Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent- the Lord detests them both!"
Proverbs. 17:15
Jesus is truly God and truly man, but ONLY ONE PERSON!
No Bible verse says GOD, the First Person of the Trinity pours out His wrath, damns, cuts off, and CURSES GOD His Son, and imputes or transfers our sins to The Second Person of the Trinity while on the cross making Jesus a sinner to pay a debt.
This separates the Persons of Eternal Trinity and so tears apart the very being of God into tri-theism.
Ontologically
"God is love!" 1 John 4:8
"No one speaking by the Spirit of God can say, "Jesus is accursed!"
1 Corinthians 12:3
Jesus says,
"I am in the Father and the Father is in me!"
John 14:11
The Eastern Orthodox belief for 2000 years,
God willingly (John 10:17-18) and in love (1 John 4:8) became a man in the person of Jesus Christ, lived a sinless life, fulfilled the law, and died on our behalf on a cross to go into Hades to set the captives free (1 Peter 3:18-20), and rose bodily from the grave
(1 Corinthians 15:17) thereby defeating and conquering death, sin, and the devil. (Hebrews 2:14-15; 1 John 3:8)
"Since the children have flesh and blood, Jesus too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death-that is, the devil- and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death!"
Hebrews 2:14-15
"You murdered Jesus the Creator of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this. . . . But this is how God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the prophets, saying that his Messiah would suffer.
REPENT, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord!"
Acts 3:15, 18-19
"Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will GRANT them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will!"
2 Timothy 2:25-26
When we REPENT,
by turning from sin and receiving Jesus Christ, we are forgiven and cleansed of sin and are credited as righteous because we are made righteous by being in union with Christ and receive the Holy Spirit!
(Romans 4:5, 7; Galatians 2:20)
An alien mere legal declaration of righteousness by imputation without transformation is a legal fiction.
If Jesus was made a sinner to pay a debt then Jesus should be in hell!
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness!"
1 John 1:9
So we are made righteous!
If a debt is paid, there is no need for forgiveness!
"God was IN Christ reconciling the world to himself!"
2 Corinthians 5:19
God was not pouring out wrath on His Son!
JESUS CHRIST IS RISEN!
JESUS CHRIST CONQUERS!
IC XC NIKA
Rome preaches a ✨false gospel✨
If 'once saved, always saved' (OSAS) is true, then what will happen to a believer who in later years, due to the influence of bad company/internet, begins to live selfishly, doesn't do good works, surfs porn, have an affair with his secretary behind his wife's back, etc, and was suddenly killed in an accident? My question is, after accepting Christ into his life in his earlier years (and being justified), is he still saved and bound for heaven?
The pastor in the video seems to think so (yes). I beg to differ. It's a misguided if not dangerous doctrine to believe that God will forever declare us righteous even if we sin grievously after our initial baptism/conversion. *Reason is because God is also just* . So, I don't think there is such a thing as a 'free pass' to heaven for the guy who died in the accident mentioned above. The doctrine of "once saved, always saved", seems just so wrong. We cannot take for granted that this doctrine is true. What do you think? Peace.
our standing with God is not affected by the way we live if we believe in His gospel. We are not saved because of our righteous living, but because our faith in Christ. Paul was also asked that question, his accusers told him that he preached lawlesness. But he answered that the gospel of grace is NOT a licence to sin. So it is not. That is why he exhorted believers not to live selfishly but to consider themselves dead to sin. Holy Spirit is doing his work. A church or commandments of the church or anyone else, cannot do that work. Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith.
Christians CAN live in sin. It is not after our Father s heart, but they DO live in sin sometimes. Nobody can tell how long. But they can, and they do. Holy Spirit works in their heart to repent and come into a relationship with Christ again. It is HIS work. One thing is STANDING WITH GOD and yet another RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST("without santification nobody will see the Christ").
If Christ died for our past sins only, then He has to die again and again for every future sin we do. And we know that HE DIED ONCE FOR ALL and bore our sins only ONCE, and said IT IS FINISHED. Of course He died for ALL SINS, PAST, PRESENT and FUTURE.
miss thunderstormable
Thanks for your response. I do agree with you in most of the things that you have said eg the Gospel is not a licence to sin; that Christians can sin and do live in sin.
Having said that, I'd like to come to the example I first posted. You say: He (Jesus) died for ALL SINS, PAST, PRESENT and FUTURE". So, if I understand you correctly, you are saying that the adulterous man who died in the accident is saved?
If you believed so, then I think such a belief/doctrine of 'guaranteed' salvation, if I may call it, does not square with the teaching of the Church since its inception. The weight of 2,000 years of history should at least caution us about the validity of such a novel doctrine which the ancient Church then and the Church now has never taught. And the reason this "once saved, always saved" doctrine was never preached/taught by the Church was because the doctrine is not supported by scripture. Jesus died for all sins, yes. But the forgiveness of our sins depends on our repentance for these sins. Your sins and mine in future will be forgiven *after* we repent of them in future. In the example of the man who died suddenly in the car accident, if he did not repent of his adulterous/lustful/fornicating ways, his soul is at stake. That is what I am saying.
I just hope people don't fall for the once-saved-eternally-saved doctrine. It's a novel doctrine as I mentioned earlier, and I think it's downright dangerous for anyone to believe that this doctrine is true.
Peace
If you are relying on your own logic and your own reasoning instead of the written Word of God, then you are falling into error and false doctrine.
The Lion and his lamb
Agree. That is why Jesus did not leave us to use our own logic and reasoning to interpret/understand scripture. He left us *His* Church to teach & preach, to bind & lose. Not listening to the teachings of His Church is a sure-fire way to fall into error and false doctrine, as history has amply shown.
Peace
Be careful Eric, saying you can't learn yourself and instead depending on other men is still using personal logic and reasoning to understand the Word. Does the NT not tell us the Holy Spirit will teach and reveal the Word to us?
All you did was transfer the responsibility to other men instead of yourself. And you are still in the same danger of falling into the doctrines of men instead of the Word of God.
In fact, the Bible tells us specifically to be Bereans and search the things others say out in the Word for yourself to see if they be true, and not just blindly follow the words and teaching of men because they to a certain church or denomination.
Sound doctrine comes directly from the word of God, not from the word of men. Never just assume a thing is the Word of God and sound doctinre just because a man or teacher in a church said so.
Your comments sound like your faith is more in your church and men that in Christ and the Word of God. That is a very common problem in churches throughout America today, they are followers of men and doctrines of men instead of Christ and the Word of God.
Nicene Creed from the 4th century!
I believe in One God,
Father Almighty,
Maker OF heaven and earth, and OF all things visible and invisible!
And in One Lord,
Jesus Christ,
The ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD,
BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER BEFORE ALL AGES!
LIGHT OF LIGHT,
True God of true God,
BEGOTTEN not made,
Of one essence with the Father,
Through whom all things were made.
Who for us men and our salvation came down from heaven and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became man!
Crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, he suffered and was buried.
And was Raised again on the third day according to the Scriptures.
And Ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of the Father.
And He is Coming again in glory to judge the living and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end!
And I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord,
the Giver of life,
WHO proceeds from the Father,
WHO together with the Father and the Son is worshipped and glorified,
WHO spoke through the prophets!
And in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Ekleeseea!
I acknowledge one baptism into the remission of sins!
I await the resurrection of the dead,
and
The life of the ages to come!
AMEN!
@Barry Baker *False claims. Jesus was addressing Jews under Mosaic Law. Not Gentile Christians. Only unbelievers and Jews under Mosaic Law are judged by works for salvation. Romans 2, Rev 20:13. Christians are saved by grace through faith, NOT BY WORKS. Eph 2:8-9.*
YOU:
Because you care not good fruit(works/faith/actions) you will be cut off and thrown to the fire. The fire is eternal damnation and destruction.
My RC friend said we cannot possibly understand the Bible on our own. They’re indoctrinated. I’m so sad for them.
How can I, except some man should guide me?
@@billyhw5492 No, it is not man to guide. It is the Holy Spirit.
@@billyhw5492 If you are RC, you’re only getting a 10 minute Sunday sermon. A good Bible teacher is important. My favorite is Dr Andy Woods, the best I know of.
@@laurae8324 Wait, do I need a teacher, or can I just understand it on my own?
@@joycegreer9391 How is it that Protestants cannot agree on what to believe and practice?
There is nothing unholy in the presence of God. So we are going to be sanctified (in fact) before gain entrance to the heaven. You protestants believe that the holiness of Christ is a mask that allows us to heaven. You call It justification. The Catholics believe that Christ opened up the possibility of salvation, but it will only be effective when we are (really) saints by the sanctification work of the Holly Ghost and our labours together. In life or in death. In my way of view, If I follow the Catholics in this point, I'm also ok if the protestants are right. But if I follow the protestants, I can end up unprepared if the Catholics are right.
Renato de Melo Filho - Hi Renato de Melo Filho! That is quite a plan!
The only problem is it's not Biblical! You must read the Scriptures to show youself approved and we are told to work out our own SALVATION with fear and trembling - *Philippians.
The Gospel of JESUS CHRIST doesn't have a back up plan!
Pray and ask GOD to please teach you the TRUTH! We are justified by believing the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST!!! We are saved by Grace, (GOD'S Grace), through FAITH, (*Romans 10:17- "So then FAITH cometh by hearing, and hearing by the WORD of GOD." ) ALONE in CHRIST ALONE!!!
GOD Bless you!
Kimberlee Rivera - Thanks for your answer and may God bless us all. I didn't deny the principles you listed, that's why I said I was OK with the protestants (unless the say catholics can't be saved). You should read my comment better before denying what I didn't write.
Catholics can believe whatever they want. The Word of God clearly tells us over and over and over again that Salvation is a FREE GIFT of God through faith alone.
You make the cross of Christ of non effect when you say its YOU who brings salvation through your own works and hands.
Works are for our rewards at Christ's return, NOT for salvation. You can have all the good works in the world but never have salvation if your faith and trust is not in Christ alone.
Some who enter heaven will have a LOT of work and rewards, others will have few to none beyond eternal salvation.
@Zilane Wow brother! Awesome testimony! God is awesome !
Brother I pray that you holy spirit may guide you,,,and you may again come back to the original church that is the Roman Catholic church
Once you have taken your oath to accept and follow Jesus, you have have to maintain at all time and cost to do good all the time!
Do you trust in your own ability to be good or God?
@@Fruitpunchyearsago We should trust ourselves to do what God wants us to do. Let God do the rest with our trust in him.
How do protestants interpreted the bible correctly
They can't.
By the indwelling of the Holy Spirit for those who are in Christ.
@@georgepierson4920 That's Catholics who prove they can't.
I believe the Roman Catholic church has seriously erred in three fundamental areas: in its approach to God, the Bible, and salvation.
1) In its approach to God, Roman Catholicism approves the veneration of (i.e. bowing down before) images and relics, encourages praying to the saints, and promotes Mary to a semi-divine status. All of these constitute varying forms of idolatry, which Scripture condemns (cf. Exodus 20:4-5; Leviticus 26:10; Acts 10:25-26; Revelation 22:8-9).
2) In its approach to the Bible, Roman Catholicism elevates church tradition to a place of authority equal to (and in practice higher than) Scripture. The Lord Jesus condemned first-century Judaism as apostate because it likewise elevated the traditions of men above the Word of God (Mark 7:6-8).
3) In its approach to salvation, Roman Catholicism adds various sacramental works to the gospel of grace. In a similar way, the apostle Paul condemned the Judaizers because they added self-righteous works to the gospel (cf. Acts 15:1-11; Romans 11:6; Galatians 1:6-9).
These fundamental issues, in addition to a host of other doctrinal problems (e.g. purgatory, the papacy, priestly celibacy, indulgences, the Apocrypha, etc.) lead me to reject Roman Catholicism.
John Stewart, well written comment. I was raised Catholic. It would be nice to copy/paste your comment to refer to later.
I’m not Roman Catholic but playing devils advocate. If you’re going to refute Roman Catholicism you need stronger arguments than these.
1. To compare veneration and intercession of saints to idolatry is a weak argument. Roman Catholics do not worship saints, they do not view them or their images as ‘divine’. Yes they elevate Mary unjustifiably.
2. The bible condemns human (little t) tradition, as opposed to Christian (big T) Tradition. (2 Thessalonians 2:15, Colossians 2:8, 1 Corinthians 11:2)
3. Sacraments are not the same as self-righteous works. Roman Catholics believe in the free gift of salvation and that it cannot be earned, however they have a different perspective on receiving and growing in that free grace. There is a nuanced distinction between this and a ‘works based’ salvation. "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone." (James 2:24)
SquizzoManizzo Finally, someone who has atleast done their researched
I am a Catholic. We all believe in Jesus and I still consider all of us to be of one spiritual body, one spiritual church; so let’s glorify the Lord together
1. Well in practise the Roman-Catholics pray to saints and ask them to mediate between them and Christ. You can call it 'Dulia' and not 'Latria' all you want. That's just plain adolatry and therefore false worship.
2. When the Bible speask on tradition with big T, it is speaking about the Gospel that the apostles gave to the churches (2 THes 2:14, 1Cor 4:6). Roman-Catholics reject that, and say that besides the God-inspired scriptures there is another source for divine revelation, namely the oral tradition, that only the magesterium can conveniently identify. Not really the idea of the Biblical big T tradition.
3. If you trust in any thing other than Christ, you are self-righteous. So if you trust in baptism, eucharist or penance for your salvation that would be heresy (Gal 1:8). The Bible says we're forgiven at the moment we put our trust in Christ's finished work (John 3:36). Catholics believe the sacraments helps us merit eternal life. I mean there is no nuance here, just a more complicated version of 'works based' salvation, meaning that your works ultimately get you into heaven.
So I think his arguments weren't weak at all.
SquizzoManizzo - The COUNCIL of TRENT- says that if anyone proclaims - "JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH ALONE IN CHRIST ALONE APART FROM WORKS - LET THEM BE ANATHEMA!"
That is not "FAITH ALONE IN CHRIST ALONE!"
Works can't get us saved - we are saved unto good works. Our works are as filthy rags - they can't save us - especially you can't add works to the CROSS OF CHRIST.
That's like saying what CHRIST did on the CROSS wasn't enough! Loke we have to add something - no! (Nothing in my hands I bring - only to the CROSS I cling.)
Our works do not help us to gain SALVATION. The COUNCIL OF TRENT is a ROMAN CATHOLIC STATEMENT OF FAITH - check it out.
Jesus said
“Pick up your cross and follow me.”
Jesus said
“He who endures till the END shall be saved.”
Jesus said
“If your brother won’t listen to the church.”
The guys on this video DONT LISTEN TO THE CHURCH
Important questions...
Who saves, the church or Christ?
Who died, the Church or Christ?
How do you become part of the Church?
How do you become a son of God?
Soporte Tecnico “Concerning Christ and the Church, I just know they are ONE.”
St. Joan of Arc
@@soportetecnico7131 Jesus founded a church, and that is the Catholic Church. Catholicism has a direct lineage back to the apostles and back to Christ.
No they listened to Jesus our Saviour not to a imperfect church. We are the church it is not an institution.
@@soportetecnico7131Christ
Yeah no. The bible says that faith without works is dead. Plus there is no "faith alone saves you" in the bible. Our works don't save us, Jesus saves us, but faith is like going up an escalator, if you are stagnant in the faith and don't keep doing corporal or spiritual works to get grace and stay strong in your faith, you will go down the escalator, you either get stronger or weaker in faith, you either go up or down. Good works doesn't save us, but gives us the grace to keep saying "yes" to Jesus's will. Saying yes to Jesus everyday brings us closer in a relationship with him. We choose to say yes to Jesus by doing his will, or we say no.
Imputation vs Infusion
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Never reject the prophets of the Lord
Friday, February 24th, 2012 @ 21:45
My daughter, it is imperative that you remain silent as the persecution begins.
The Holy Word of My Eternal Father will be rejected, by those very sacred servants who claim to proclaim the Truth of His Most Holy Word.
The Catholic Church is the One True Church.
All churches will unite to become one Holy and ApostolicChurch at My Second Coming.
Until that happens every Word from My Father, given to a spiritually dry world, will be either, ignored, challenged or fiercely opposed.
Those who will fiercely oppose My Messages, given to you, the 7th messenger for the end times, will be divided into two camps.
Those who follow Satan through new age fortune telling and witchcraft.
The others will be those who are spiritually blind, but who believe they are divinely inspired with the Gift of the Holy Spirit.
Both will reject the Word of God, given to you through the Holy Trinity and My beloved Mother.
Even good priests, forbidden to publicly endorse these Messages, will feel it is justified to vilify My Holy Word for all the world to hear.
With little true humility in their hearts, they will set out to undermine this Call from Heaven, which is being given to help humanity.
These priests, clergy and other self-appointed apostles, who claim to know Me, will try to encourage souls to reject My Word.
They have no shame, for they will arrogantly pull My Book of Truth apart, as it is being revealed to all of mankind.
Then, they will shred the contents, with venom in their hearts.
They do not want to hear the Truth, for it will upset and rattle the cocoon of false security within which they wrap themselves.
Oh how they offend Me.
How much damage they will cause and yet, they do not realise this.
Pray that these souls, blind to the Truth, through the influence of the deceiver, will open their hearts and accept the Word of God as it is presented to them today.
They have no right to publicly dismiss these Messages without discerning them, with a clean soul, which must be humble in all things.
While God allows the sufferings experienced by His visionaries on Earth to ensure that souls are saved, He will not tolerate the abuse of His anointed prophets.
You, My daughter, are a prophet.
You accept suffering as a gift to me.
But, this is not about you, for you are nothing without Me and you know and accept this.
God, My Father, speaks to the world through His prophets.
It is His Word you reject, when you publicly slander His prophets.
For this is a sin in His Eyes.
Never reject the prophets of the Lord.
Never hurt or harm His prophets in any way.
Remain silent at all times if in doubt and pray for them.
Attack the true prophet and fire will pour forth upon you from the Heavens in punishment by the Hand of My Father.
No man will stop the Word of the Lord from being given to His children.
This is the promise made by My Father since the beginning.
Hear His Voice.
Accept that you are in the end times.
Pray that these Messages will be heard, so that all of God’s children will have Eternal Life.
Your Teacher
Redeemer of all Mankind
Jesus Christ
The Book of Truth online.
Messages from God, Jesus and Mary to last prophet Maria Divine Mercy from 2010 to 2015.
Hee C if the Catholic Church is the one true church then why does it have so many foundations of false teachings ?
Hee C Your prophetess is doing the work of satan and you've been deceived along with her. You need to repent and believe the Christian gospel. Salvation is only by God's grace, through faith in Jesus Christ alone, apart from your works. It's a gift from God, not something you do for yourself. Your prophetess opposes holy scripture and contradicts it. Please read the New Testament and compare it to your religion.
What????
The RCC is the largest "christian" cult by a large margin. It's not the first century church. Examine it's rotten fruit from it's beginning. The history is there for anyone to see. Research popery, I doubt if any of them were or are true believer's. It's been antichrist since it was established.
It's satan's pet project through which he has deceived billions. Let God be true and every man a liar.
U MUST BE BORN AGAIN!...PERIOD Jn. 3:3...Case closed,..END of discussion!
What does being born again mean sir?
God has ALREADY established the order in which we are to live. God's ways and thoughts are "higher" than ours (Isaiah 55:8-9). We all initially go "off the spiritual grid", simply because we are human, and we emotionally process everyone and everything first. We easily "miss the mark". It is imperative that we are mindful of "human to God contrast" before we approach ANYTHING coming from God. Since we, on earth, are all human, that means that the minister AND the person being ministered to, will be "off"; not right or wrong, but "off", like in "not hitting the target". For example, when Mary was told that she would become pregnant with the Savior of the world, she "processed" that and replied, "how shall this be, seeing I know not a man" (Luke 1:34). When Jesus said to Nicodemus, "except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God", Nicodemus "processed" that, and replied, "how can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Neither Mary nor Nicodemus were "right or wrong"; they were "off". The minister is the one who must first implement this crucial first step in "seeing" what the Lord is saying. This requires humility before Him on our end. You want "human to God contrast".
James 2:26
Exactly and ALL the Protestants are purposely ignoring/abolishing that verse to justify their own version of GRACE as LICENSE-TO-SIN and that's why , they are wandering Lost Lambs and there are MILLIONS of them.
sad indeed.
OBJECTOR: Well, there you have it. That was almost a direct quote from Romans 3:28: "For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the law." That phrase by faith apart from works of the law sounds to me like Paul is saying that justification comes through faith alone.
CATHOLIC: Romans 3:28 is a key verse in the differences between traditional Protestants and Catholics. You will notice that Paul says a man is justified by faith (pistei in Greek). When Martin Luther translated the letter to the Romans into German in the sixteenth century, he added the word alone -but alone is not in the original Greek text. The phrase "faith alone" does occur in the New Testament: one time, in James 2:24. There the inspired apostle denies that justification is from faith alone. Let me quote it: "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone."
mark walker I would suggest considering the word 'apart'. To ignore it in this passage is to ignore the obvious logic of this passage. Its definitely making a distinction between faith and works. You could essily read it also as "faith without works". The emphasis is justification by faith, alone. Its easy to see. 'apart, without, instead, alone' would all make sense and fit the basic idea being portrayed here. The word 'apart', as well as the rest of the sentence "from works of the law" was not added by Luther. Luther was reading Paul and ran across verses like this which the Holy Spirit opened his eyes to and he started realizing the heresy of the Catholic Church. This is basic history that all scholars agree upon.
did the Holy Spirit also make Luther a rabid anti-Semite? hmmm, so all the doctors of the Church and church fathers (the ones who KNEW the apostles in some cases) they were all wrong and we had to wait 1,500 years for a monk to set the whole church straight....hmmm, i think NOT!
Attacking the man does not deal with the argument/idea.
ok, then answer the "other" part of my statement, that the fathers of the church knew what the apostles meant, and anyone would see that 1,500 years later they, including your anti-semite friend luther, might have a much more difficult time knowing what Christ meant and what the apostles taught orally..ok? here is something else to consider, you or anyone else, cannot know for sure when Christ spoke metaphorically or literally, you need an Authority to tell you when He did, you have no such authority, the Church He left does...therefore stop trying to figure it out and read the CATECHISM of the Catholic Church, the work has been done, just read it!
The Roman Catholic church is not the official universal church spoke of as "the church" in scripture. The church, as the bride of Christ, is made up of all believers in Christ worldwide. Very early on the Roman Catholic church started misinterpreting and misapplying scripture in grossly large ways and this can be easily seen by how it contradicts the very early doctrines of scripture that were commonly understood by the true "early church" of the 1st and 2nd century. The roman catholics were actually the one to misinterpret and missaply scripture, and it was never intended to be the authority on scripture. Scripture is its on authority and one can easily read it and know what it teaches.
The descendants ( Christ) of a woman (Mary), strikes the head of the snake (satan), ( genesis 3,15). That is why the satan hates the Mother of Jesus and the Church of Jesus. About our heavenly Mother, i say what the Angel Gabriel and the Holy Spirit said" Hail you are, highly favoured, the Lord is with you, blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb. ( luke 1,28; 42)
And he said, How can I, except some man guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him, (Acts 8,31). As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, onto their own destruccion.(2peter 3,16). Hold the traditions which you have been taught by word or our epistle, ( 2 Thess. 2,15 ).
Gymnastics in semantics?
Psalms 51:5
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Galatians 4:31
So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
I will now admit the testimony of king David brethren justifies why the Son of God came to destroy the works of the tempter who is called the devil here in 1 John 3:8. Also to destroy the sins of the devil what is that going to bring to pass it will make people children of the freewoman as well.