WHAT A FINALE!! Stranger Things | 4x9: “The Piggyback” REACTION!!
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this show is a whole EXPERIENCE. i’m happy you guys gave it a shot and enjoyed it☺️
You Guys Don't Know How Much I Looked forward to ur reactions to st I Love this Series & your reactions. Umbrella Academy is Ight I Think You'll like it for a bit. You Guys Should Consider Lost Someday. And Possibly Continue Harry Potter
@@IslandPunchProductions Same here I'd always get excited when I saw they uploaded, ever since s1 ep1
Not to be a dick and all but eddie coming back, vecna needs a right hand man, it like D&D...eddie a vampire and he's gonna come back a vampire kas, kas is his character from D&D
The acting in that death scene by Sadie sink and Caleb McLaughlin was top tier. Him calling for Erica was completely unscripted and improved by Caleb. The fact that those two got no award nominations for this was a travesty to TV. Joseph Quinn and Gaten Killed their scene too.
I _still_ can't believe they didn't even get nominations.
@@bloodyneptune Sadie sink should have won the whole damn thing for this season like she should have gotten multiple awards.
k not be be morbid or anything but in early June my dog passed in my arms of a heart attack (RIP my little babe) and right b4 he died he took these quick breaths. When I watched Max do the same thing it was so realistic It shook me. Her acting was incredible. She gonna be a leading actor in this upcoming generation. It really is a shame that she wasn't nominated.
@@AREA-jp8vb sorry about your dog. And yeah she’s finally getting the Millie Bobby brown treatment from season 1. She’s in like 3 or 4 movies right now. Girl is a star.
@@zachmiller1175 no she shouldn’t she was mid. She’s overrated asf
Sadie Millie and Caleb’s acting was top tier! They are so talented
@Cobra Kai fan true, Eddie was good but Joseph did a phenomenal job
The crying Erica Help felt so realistic. Usually in shows they'd be doing something heroic but he didn't know what to do and was just crying for help
@@iGaveLiaHIV yeah his acting was 100/10 such an emotional scene 😞
Gaten tho in crying scene
@@lihofman5928 oh of course he deserves massive props
My theory: Max is not braindead
Henry obviously killed her, but El restarted her heartbeat but here's what Henry said happens after he kills his victims:
"They're still with me, here" He points to his head, Max is basically being held prisoner in Henry's mind, she's not gonna wake up until they defeat him completely
wait this is actually such a good theory!
I was thinking the same damn thing.....
I think she will still die, once vecna is defeated, her spirit is released but is she really going to live the rest of her life blind and with so much trama? 🤔
Yes!! And Doctor Brenner said that when Henry takes his victims, he also takes all of their abilities, like Max’s ability to move and see. I just really hope we see her do somewhat okay next season. I couldn’t deal with her actually being gone.
So there's a good chance she will make it??? (I know she won't be able to see or walk).
It is a crime that Sadie Sink was not nominated for an Emmy for her performance this season 💯
Lucas yelling for help absolutely broke me. One of the most emotional scene i've ever seen, caleb and sadie killed it
I was tearing up during max and Eddie’s death, but I never really cry cry in anything. Movies or tv but Lucas’s call for “ERICA” literally broke me. I balled my eyes out.
real
I love how initially Davion wasn't a fan of max but had a look of pure heartbreak on his face when she died!
nah davion is a #1 max stan and runs a fanpage just for her❗️
he’s so real for that 🔥
The character development Davion’s had!
same she shot up to my fav character this season tbh
He liked Max in S2
Sadie Sink’s acting was absolutely PHENOMENAL this season. the way she showed Max’s story, her acting and storytelling was absolutely heartbreaking. Same goes for Caleb McLaughlin! They are both so talented ❤️💗
Max deserves better. I can’t imagine how her mom must’ve felt seeing the letters she wrote and later finding her daughter in a coma with all of her limbs broken…
I wonder if her dad's gonna come to Hawkins when and if he hears that she's in a comatose
the guilt she must feel for both of her kids.. she probably feels like she was the problem
@@officialtoiletpaper she kinda was
@@godsimp the dad was
@@luamorim.b he definitely was the problem but her mom honestly wasn't that much better
may I just say….Caleb and Sadie’s acting? Phenomenal! Caleb deserves more recognition frrrr and alsoooo when vecna kills he takes his victims minds and thoughts which is probably why el couldn’t find max(fyi I don’t think el has healing abilities, she just jumpstarted her heart with her normal abilities)
I love the "Erica Help" line Lucas delivered that line so well so much emotion
Crazy to think he improved that line
"Why would the death of eddie hurt that much?" words that were regretted after they were said
Nah its pretty much true
it's true eddie is way too overrated. he was a nice character but his and the actor's fans literally became a cult (like, really that's how they call themselves) and have been harassing his co-workers and spreading lies about them (did this to chrissy's actress)
@@hh-ug4ki Thank you!
@@hh-ug4ki nah, y'all are mixing a lot of what happens in the fandom and the scene itself.
Separate the scene with what the Eddie fans think or do and you do realize that Eddie's death is not only sad but a big important step into Dustin's character because the last 3 seasons we got Dustin going through a lot but not having any type of significant loss for the future.
Eddie's death is mainly written so Dustin can have a type of survivor guilt (confirmed by the duffer brothers)
Overrated does not mean less sad, y'all just dislike fangirls
@@ihanav.9375 i did cry when eddie died and thought it was sad. but not the way some people have been treating it... as if the show is now "ruined". he is still incredibly overrated.
max’s whole storyline this season will forever break my heart. that girl went through so much this season just to lose in the end..🥲
will she be alright in S5???
@@thedarkknightman6150 we don’t know yet.
@@thedarkknightman6150 we don’t know how she will be, but it has already been confirmed by the duffer brothers that she is brain dead. her body is alive but she isn’t there, it’s like an empty egg shell. they also said that max was originally supposed to die in the finale but during covid they made some changes to the story and they have said that max being in a “coma” is gonna be an important part of season 5
@@officialtoiletpaper nooo!!!!!!😥😥😥😥😥
@@officialtoiletpaper NOO WHY 😭😭
This finale oh my god, what an ending..this was such a great episode I couldn’t stop crying 🤧
All the couples together, that Murray united, and then there's byler 💀
@@fembrucewayne1904 no
fun fact: joseph quinn who plays eddie actually learned master of puppets on the guitar for that scene and was pretty much playing the whole thing! he also got his own guitar signed by metallica and is friends with them now!
This “thank you!” moment when Jason died made my day😂
When young Henry is drawing the mind flayer. As a kid he was fascinated with black widows. So he drew a large spider figure. When he met the mind flayer he made a mental connection with it giving it its spider shape from his youth. Vecna controls the mind flayer. The mind flayer controls everything else
I’m still confused as to what the mind flayer actually is.
I took it as the mind flayer wasn't ever "real" at all. Meaning Henry created it and controlled it, it was never sentient, so it was always Henry from day 1. I could be wrong, but that's my interpretation
@@NebulaMJ to me the mind flayer was already an entity in the Upside Down. But it wasn’t intelligent. It had no order like a wild animal only keeping to itself not harming or interacting with other beings unless the mind flayer were to require a form of sustenance, which I doubt but who knows. Like how it was kinda just swirling around in a circle when Henry found it. Henry gave it order and gave it form when he found it
@@Neela_Vermillion That makes sense too, hopefully they give us a proper explanation in season 5
@@davidmarwood775 A shadow monster that controls people by making them a host
For me the reason why I liked Eddie so much was he was pretty understanding towards what Chrissy was going through when he tried to make her feel better a day his relationship with Dustin was cute, Dustin's one of my favorites and seeing him so heartbroken made me cry even more. Sadie and Caleb deserved an award for their acting matter if fact everyone does but seeing how well they put emotion into it was phenomenal acting.
Some things that need to be clarified is
1. El doesn’t have a new healing power, she simply was pumping her heart with her powers like CPR
2. Vecna created the mindflayer because you could literally see him forming the spider shape of the mindflayer when he was put in the upside down and you can see he has an interest in spiders from the flashback, so that means vecna controls the mindflayer
Well where are the facts that El pumped her heart like CPR you gotta realize that this show isn’t based on real life logic lmao Kali literally has illusion powers so El being able to heal won’t be surprising either. She already is able to astral project and use psychokinesis. 😂
shaped, not created. The actual entity that is the mind flayer already existed clearly.
@@ultimatefirecracker1486 el did do cpr on max tho cuz remember in s1 when she made the bully pee himself by doing smth to his bladder? it makes more sense this way
How do you know she doesn't have healing powers? anything is possible
FYI, apparently there is a play that reveals more lore, that being the mindflayer has been pulling the strings all along. This gives more context to the drawing, and it means Henry was drawing him like Will did, rather than making it up. Apparently according the play, it also removed some of his memories, so it's possible he was not normally a psychopath. I believe this play has been confirmed to be canon, and hopefully all this info is presented in S5.
Mike says to Will in one of the last scenes in the cabin after El goes into the room and shuts the door "Shes upset, shes never lost b4" Vecna did win. He got his 4th kill that opened that gate. That was his only plan layed out this season. He was hurt while trying to do it but he still completed it. The only win for the kids is that El was able to restart Max's Heart. Vecna now has her mind. He said b4 that the kids he killed were still with him and pointed to his mind.
Ummm did yall NOT see that when Vecna explained how he drawn the spider he found the mindflayer and gave it form. And 11 said this is all because of you?! And he shook his head yes. Which means Miles that Vecna has been in control of the midflayer. B/C he was mad that 11 sent him there. He used the demigorgans and the mindflayer to try and kill 11. It's not that difficult
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Ok but he didn't create the mind flayer
@@Ubertastic55 He gave it form and controlled it! It didn't go after 11 until vecna gave it form.......
@@rayne795 the mind flayer was there long before he was, he didn't give it form that was just him drawing it. Will did the same thing
@@Ubertastic55 will was also influenced by vecna. Do u not understand vecna started it all after 11 threw him in the upside down. Do u get that? So who gave the midflayer form then? How did it form??? Cause it was a dust cloud
This finale was so heartbreaking. Max needs to wake up next season
Well her body is in a coma and her mind is with Vecna. So that means Eleven needs to get her mind back into her body.
Yes it was. I know I don’t know that, but even if she did wake up for Season 5, what if she really has to die though? I meant, she left letters for her friends and family for a reason
@@Bigsteelguy4 I think that’s definitely what’s gonna happen. I just have a feeling that Max will sacrifice herself in Vecna mind to help defeat him, cause idk how they can bring her back when she can’t move or see. If she comes back just being blind then I’d be fine with that
@@traydaniel0403 I could see having to die in order for them to defeat Vecna once and for all. But who knows? Stranger things have happened😂
Remember that the Russia group went back to the prison SPECIFICALLY because they wanted to help by utilizing the hive mind. Murray using the flame thrower was what made the vines release Steve, Nancy, and Robin. And when Hopper was chopping up the demogorgon, you can see Vecna also getting affected by it. Everything was happening simultaneously.
And Joyce using the cattle prod killed the bats.
Eleven is telekinetic, she used her power to squeeze Max's heart until it started beating again. Basically CPR.
I don’t think people think of Eddie as a top tier character from the entire cast but rather that he was a very lovable character who became a fan favourite and we just really wanted more than 1 season with him.
“erica help” makes me cry every time his delivery this season was immaculate
I cried like a baby when Eddie died. And the scene with Dustin & Eddie's uncle. He was an awesome dude. And when El was reunited with Hopper, I'm crying again. This cast of young people are purely amazing!!
This was not a new power El had to revive Max. She used an electric shock to restart her heart like a defibrillator. But we don't know if she brought her consciousness back. I suspect Vecna has her.
that ability came out of nowhere thats just bad writing at least build up this power in like 3rd season or 4th
@@broken_errors5715 i guess she concentrate in her heart and made it beat until that could bring her back, is not a surprise since she has psychic powers and literally made necks broken
@@broken_errors5715 it's really not random. El can literally reach inside a person and fuck with their system lol remember how she made that one boy that was bullying Mike and them piss his pants? She legit reached inside and squeezed his bladder and probably his loins lmfaooo so it shouldn't be weird to think that she can reach inside max and pump her heart like a defibillator
@@broken_errors5715 the ability didn’t come out of no where El has always had the ability to squeeze and manipulate muscles, she made the bully pee his pants in season 1. She didn’t use electric shock she basically just restarted the heart by pumping it just like cpr.
It wasn’t an electric shock, El just literally started Max’s heart again by pumping it, she basically just performed cpr on Max.
Vecna created the mind flayer. That's what the season finale explained.
No he didn't 😂 💀
@@Ubertastic55 yeah he basically did. The mind flayer was just a dark smoke until vecna gave it a form and mind (his mind) to control that power.
@@Ronruk the mind flayer already had that form, he didn't give the mind flayer form timestamp the exact moment
@@Ubertastic55 he literally gave the mind flayer the form of a spider what are you talking about, they clearly explained that🤣 go back and rewatch the show where he meets the mind flayer, he gives it the form of a spider with this powers and literally says “ I saw a means to my potential. To transcend my human form. To become the predator I was always meant to be” That means Vecna is the mind flayer by giving it a mind (his mind) and controls it with his power.
@@Ronruk your not making any sense, first you said he's controlling the mind flayer, now your saying he is the mind flayer. Which neither is right. He was reaching out to the mind flayer not forming it with his powers.
Sadie deserved that Emmy nomination👏🏾
They way I cried AGAIN when I watched you guys reacting to eddie’s and max’s scene even though I already knew what was going to happen 😭
Same
RIP EDDIE THE GOAT🎸
The acting in this whole show overall is just phenomenal but I have to say that Sadie Sink (Max) and Caleb McLaughlin (Lucas) really killed it in this episode! That was some of the best acting I have ever seen and Caleb improvising that line "Erica help" killed me, I could not stop crying and Max saying "she didn't want to die and that she wasn't ready to die" was so sad! Eddie's death scene with Dustin was so emotional, their acting was amazing as well, and having that scene right before Max's death really drove it home. I could not stop balling. 😭This season really stepped it up and that is saying something because this entire show is incredible! The Duffer Brothers really killed it with all of these actors, they are all incredible! I love Stranger Things so much! ❤I can't wait until season 5, I don't want this show to end!!❤Loved your reaction to this episode! I can say that your reaction to Eddie and Max's death scene was all of our reactions as well, we were all in shock.
I do not want to lie for me Nathan is the only one who seems to know and understand stuff, and they argue with him the most.
Sadie Sink as Max is the best casting decision EVER...
Agreed
Another thing I noticed; in episode one in the classroom when that girl Angela is doing her “Famous Hero” presentation, she was speaking about Helen Keller (who is paralyzed, blind, and deaf) foreshadowing Max for the Finale
You’re right!!!
Here are some (long) explanations:
1) In this episode Vecna basically implies that the 'Mindflayer' isn't a conscious entity but some sort of large energy or matter that he could shape and control using his own powers (and his powers likely stem from the Upsidedown in the first place), and it's how he was able to get through the gate but his physical body likely has to stay in the Upsidedown to control it. Vecna can open gates on his own by making psychic connections to "rip a hole through time and space", but he never did it before since El kept closing them, so the Mindflayer was a larger threat that he just used to potentially find a host (Will and Billy) and kill El (S3 meat-flayer). But it could possibly have consciousness in some form, we might still learn more abt it next season.
2) El pinning Vecna against that beam in Max's mind wasn't how they defeated Vecna. That was literally her just pushing Vecna away from Max before he could finish killing her, yet she still succumbed to her injuries later and helped Vecna successfully open the gate. It was a joined effort of all 3 groups (Alaska, Hawkins, and Cali/El) that weakened him because it's all a hive mind. Murray and Hopper killed the creatures which weakened him and killed the demobats that attacked Eddie + freed Steve, Nancy, and Robin from the vines. Then Steve throwing the molotov at Vecna's physical form is why Vecna 'evaporated' in Max's mind bc he had to return to his physical body to protect himself, but he was too weakened enough that he couldn't fight back and just escaped.
*To Davion's idea:* There's no way only Nancy or Robin would be tied up just for Steve to not be, and then have him face Vecna on his own. They all were in the Creel house when Vecna sensed their presence so all three of them were strangled. More importantly, even if Steve threw a molotov or shot Vecna, like Miles said, while Vecna would still disappear from Max's mind, he wasn't yet weakened by Murray and Hopper killing the creatures. So Vecna would've just killed Steve on the spot. And we know that he wasn't weakened yet bc it was Eddie who ran out of the trailer to then buy Nancy, Steve, and Robin more time, long enough to where he ends up getting attacked and is only saved once the Alaska team does their part, who is the most responsible for weakening Vecna and freeing everyone who's strangling. So everything had to work out in this way for Vecna to be weak enough over his control of everything, for his physical body to be too weak to fight back.
The “erica help” broke me eveytime Caleb acting in that scene is insanee
some people said they wanted a main character to die so they didn't like max surviving, but i'm glad they didn't kill her completely. i don't think killing her off would've sent a good message AT ALL considering she's a kid who's been dealing with s*icidal ideation (+ vecna in vol 1 kind of represented max's ptsd, survivor's guilt and depression) and was just starting to get better at the end of episode 4 and realize there are people who care about her and that she has things to live for.
episode 4 ended with such a powerful message. killing her off would send the message that no matter what, no matter how hard you fight, you could never overcome your depression. and that's just a horrible message and takes away a lot of what felt so cathartic about episode 4 and it's ending.
(+the duffers said max being in a coma instead of dying is extremely important to the plot of season 5 and not just them "cheating death" so i assume she'll play a pivotal role in defeating vecna, maybe from within his mind because it's implied her soul/mind got consumed by vecna, at least according to Dr Brenner in episode 8)
it was also nice seeing eleven using her telekinesis power like some sort of magical defibrillator/CPR to restart max's heart until it started beating again on its own. we know eleven is capable of using her power to effect or control inner organs as she previously made that one bully from season 1 pee his pants.
Steve, Nancy or Robin should’ve died they were literally getting choked out for 30 mins.
I think it would be amazing if max being in Vecna’s mind, that she meets Billy again and they have a chance to make up.
BUT they say that it would have multiple deaths and the only deaths that we have are Brenner (we don't care about him), Eddie (like always the one who were introduced the same season), Jason ( we don't care about him). That's all.
@@UriosEditz last I checked that still multiple deaths, it doesn’t matter if you didn’t care about them
the emotional damage I experienced with this episode was just insane 😭😭 max and Lucas scene was literally crazy sad
Everyone is not ok after this episode. i saw it DAY 1 when it dropped and it still hurts. also everyone loves eddie (including me) because he's relatable to a lot of people
Loving the arguments. The mindflayer is a different entity and Vecna has control of it. When Vecna was Henry he drew his interpretation of a spider. When he was thrown into the upside down is when he sees the “mindflayer” and notices it can be controlled, then he turns it into his version of the spider he drew as a kid. He explains it all when he’s telling his story to El.
I agree.
And I still find fans who still believe that the Mind Flayer controls Vecna when what you said is obviously the case.
Things I know from the finale: Vecna controls the mindflayer.
We’ve been hearing Vecnas clock for 4 seasons.
He’s been the one sending the Mindflayer after the group to attack them every time.
Season 3, episode “The Bite”, when the physical mindflayer attached to El’s leg, it drained her powers and telepathically sent them to Vecna in the Upside Down. Vecnas monologue to El at the end of this finale, he says “I needed a way in, you kept closing the gates”, so when the Mindflayer (who he’d given form to and has controlled since he entered the Upside Down) was made to leave Wills body in season 2, before El closed the gate, a piece of the mindflayer was left behind by Vecna, that’s what we saw at the steelworks in the beginning of season 3. Vecna made Billy a host for the mindflayer and ordered him to build a physical version of the mindflayer to attack El for her power because El had closed the gate and Vecna couldn’t get through but he still had his psychic link with the piece of the mindflayer he’d left behind in Hawkins.
That’s why El’s powers were gone at the end of season 3. They’d been sent to Vecna.
I’m 100% sure next season will show Will has powers and it will be him and El against Vecna. This whole show is about Will. The entire first season was focused on his disappearance. The second season was his possession by the Mindflayer. It’ll come full circle in season 5. It started with Will, it’ll end with Will.
And Vecna has Max locked away in his mind. Brenner says 001/Vecna “consumes his victims”, 001 told El the same thing pretty much in episode 7 in the lab when he tapped his head and said “they’re not gone, they’re in here”. She’ll have to enter his mind. See his trauma and rescue Max to bring her back to her body.
Vicki (Robins new love interest) will be in next season. The last shots when we see the bio waste from the upside down in right side up Hawkins, it shows the school and Steve, Vicki and Robin looking out of the window. If she wasn’t relevant, she wouldn’t be in the shot. They just had their sweet moment, there would be no need to have another scene with Vicki unless it was setting it up for next season. That she was witnessing this with Steve and Robin, she’ll be in season 5.
Duffer Bros said in an interview that Demobats don’t kill. Interesting. Massive blood loss is massive blood loss but it’s still caused by a Demobat……and they don’t kill….so 🤷🏻♀️
Caleb’s acting was mind blowing when holding Max. I still cry for Max. Her body is alive but her consciousness is gone.
Literally the best finale of a season of any show ever. Amazing.
Sadie is arguably the best actor on this show and it’s a crime she wasn’t nominated for an Emmy
yeah no. Noah, Milly then Sadie
nah its millie and always will be millie.
caleb was better than her this episode so
millie❤
Another thing, Vecna was literally controlling everything that was going on while also fighting El which means he wasn’t even at his best against El; that’s how he knew what was going on with Hopper’s team, Steve’s team, Eddie and Dustin as well. So Vecna is the stronger one. He gets stronger as he kills since the person he kills stays with him as he told El in the flash back. So I think Max’s soul/mind is with Vecna while her body is empty since El couldn’t find Max’s mind when she went inside to look for her at the end of the episode.
48:41 i think it was because murray used the flame throwers on the demogorgans which had the mind flayer in them. so that’s what caused the hive mind to react like that
"What if season 5 has to do with Will"
You got it! It has been confirmed! 👏
will is going to be the center of season 5 and i’m so excited! i feel like his storyline is never completed unlike everyone else so it’s gonna be dope seeing his whole plot coming together!
hope so poor guy hasn't had a proper storyline since s2
so real, i hope he finally get his happy ending!!
I agree with Miles about the Mike's speech thing. El was choked. The Cali crew could see that. The lights were flickering wildly and usually that means something's wrong. Mike didn't know a thing what's going on down there, but he could tell that El's in trouble. He tried to talk to her, he tried to reach out to her. And that is just the right moment to tell her that he loves her and all that thing he said to her, hoping it will motivate her to do whatever she has to do in that mind battle. I think she's about to give up at that point (or maybe she just thought she could do nothing now that she's tied up), but hearing Mike's speech and seeing how Max was about to die gave her motivation to fight.
so yes, the mindflayer existed before vecna, but vecna gave it form, which is why it resembles a spider, and was able to use it
One thing about Davion and Cameron they're never going to make sense with anything they say 😭
Nathan is actually not speculating. The reason everything was and is even happening is because of Henry. It is quite obvious he is the one in charge - each villain got "bigger/badder" as the seasons go along. When they showed how the mind flayer doesn't have form when Henry first goes to the upside down and he stands there and changes the mind flayer's form. This alone was pretty evident that Vecna used all of the "creatures" in the upside down for his own vendetta from the very beginning. He controlled the mind flayer, not the other way around.
This season was absolutely amazing🔥🔥
3:38
"did you get a haircut?"
"no"
"don't lie to me"
"no I did not get a haircut"
"....i could kiss you right now you look so good"
😭😭😭davion so real for that, he's so me
They did lose in this episode and this episode showed that Vecna is more powerful that El he beat her easy,the only reason they survived is because they all was attacking him at once,and it wasn’t just El pushing him up against the wall that made him lose control remember it’s a hive mind and when Murray was burning the demogorgan and the demodogs that’s what hurt him and gave them the upper hand to survive.
Just to let you guys know when Vecna went to the upside down he created the Mind Flair witch is in the shape of a Spider the thing he likes the most as a kid. The Mind Flair is just a Giant Spider made out of Mist.
The twins shaking their heads to Metallica while Nathan and Myles sit still lmaoo
I clicked so fast 🤣
This finale is just TOP TIER
I was actually bawling during the Lucas and Max scene. Everyone's acting was just top notch. S5 is gonna be phenomenal!
Absolutely loved watching you guys react to Stranger Things! Can't wait for Umbrella Academy now, that's gonna give some great reactions too 😅
tell me about it.
Eddie is the example of a Tragic Hero.
the reason it was "easy" to hurt 1 is because hopper and joyce were weakening him by taking out the demigorgons and hurting the mist taking out the "hive like" creatures which are all connected remember and they attacked at the same time even though it wasnt planned to be, so he was being damaged physically, mentally and his army that hes connected to which is why he got hurt bad but not killed, my theory is its because will is connected to the mind flayer and can be controlled like in season one hes still connected to it all im guessing hes been one of vecnas 'pawns' the whole time as a backup plan to keep himself alive in a bad situation therefore they didnt take out everything vecna had in order to do enough damage to kill him so he survived. kinda like voldemort with his horcruxes in a way need to get them all to kill him? thats my theory anyways
edit: and where was will during the big fight he was at a safe distance as healthy as can be so maybe vecna was able to use will and their connection to give him the power or energy like a battery to get away alive?
This finale was amazing, I cant wait for season 5.
If I'm not mistaken Vecna is the one controlling the Mindflayer that's how he stole El's powers in s3 when the Mindflayer grabbed her leg. Obviously, everything existed prior to 001 getting sent into the other world (now known as the upside down) but Vecna made it what it is today. Yeah, he wasn't controlling it before getting sent there but he for sure controls it now especially with how powerful he is.
You are 100% correct!!
3:48 im crying i was fr watching them like "why is davion looking at nathan like that he's abt to say smth out of pocket again" then there he goes 😂
Vecna is controlling the Mind Flyer; he found it in the upside down then manipulated it into his own image which was that of a spider. Will also stated that he knows Vecna isn’t dead because he can feel him now that he’s back in Hawkins. Will only had the Mind Flyer in him so he would only feel the Mind Flyer. It was Vecna who was controlling everything since the first season. He explained this lol
Caleb and Sadie broke my heart. Him (Lucas) crying out for Erica to bring help to save her was devastating. It's a travesty that they weren't nominated for any awards.
i know this is mad old but this is by far the best stranger things reaction/ group reaction channel i’ve ever seen. i love the way u guys make predictions before the episode starts & have a discussion after. Putting things together as the episode goes on, love this channel lol i subscribed. can’t wait to see you guys react to season 5 !!!!
i watched this finale about 6-7 times and STILL get to crying my eyes out at every emotional scene
“Somebody switch seats with me” LMAOO 💀💀
I love Nathan so much every time he says the fuck I’m so happy and I always call it every time
So… a few things… if you go all the way back to Season 2, Will refers to whatever he’s communicating with as he/him and now we understand why. He was literally referring to the entity as being male, not just using a random pronoun do describe the Mind Flayer when the Min Flayer is an ashy/shadowy primordial thing.
If you go through the seasons you can actually hear the faint chime of the grandfather clock in the distance, notably the first time Will gets abducted in season 1 and in season 3 when Billy comes out of the warehouse after being flayed and confronting the mob in his vision.
As for Max, Vecna at one point talks about absorbing a persons mind when he kills them, so that’s why Millie can’t find her, which leaves her mind/body exposed and vulnerable.
A theory that I love is that we know 2-13 each had one aspect of 1’s powers with the exception of 11. 8’s power was illusion/cloaking. So at the end, Vecna didn’t leave, he used that power to hide in plain sight and make the gang believe he disappeared.
We also see vecna in season 1 in the pic behind barb
On a real note, next season they need to bring #8 back because there's no way El, the only one with powers, is going to be able to do that all by herself with the gang as backup. Or maybe they'll be a new character introduced...but I can't wait for season 5
Will. That plot line can be seen coming all the way from space. It started with Will, it’ll end with Will. They’ll never bring 8 back, that was their lowest rated episode and basically their “mistake”. Duffer Bros have already said no new characters will be introduced next season and next season will be focused on Will, so again, pretty sure Will will have powers.
@@Chrissybrit43 that actually makes sense considering the whole thing has been centered around Will and from start all the way to season 4
@@Chrissybrit43 I really hope sooo!!
Davion Cameron the reason everything happened at once with Macy and Steve and robin being freed happened when Murray started getting flamed it’s a hive mind remember in season 2 it was established everything in the upside down feels what everything else feels. That’s why when you touch a vine the bats come they sense it. Also miles Nathan is right it’s implied that vecna is the mindflayer. That’s why el said “it’s always been you”. He created the mid flayer.
This show being so passionate about the fact that "friends don't lie" and everything goes to shit when they all start lying to each other. Jonathan and Nancy lie to each other. Will lies to Mike about the painting. Joyce lies to her kids about where she's going. Mike lies to El multiple times. El lies to Mike about her life in Cali. Max lying about being okay when she's clearly not. The list goes on.
It's genius really. Some of these lies are definitely coming back next season, especially between Nancy & Jonathan, El & Mike and Will & Mike.
I don't think EL has healing powers. I think she used her powers to get Max's heart going again.
The Lumax Scene had such beautiful acting from both Sadie Sink and Caleb McLaughlin it was such a beautiful performance and so Heartbreaking at the same time. Max just waking up blind with her bones broken dying saying she doesn't want to die was so Heartbreaking to watch just like Eddie's scene but even more because she's been in the show since season 2. It was kind of too late for her to change her mind after her Billy confession to get Vecna/001/Henry to show himself to her. Beautiful acting by Millie as well. I Loved how they made cuts with Lucas holding Max in his arms and El is right beside her from somewhere else their all 3 crying and and when Maxine dies. I loved how El literally discovered a new power to unleash and it was when she lost someone she Loved and she wasn't going to let her friend die and let her go so her strong will of Love and Determination made her discover a new power and she was able to save her best friend. She brought Max back to Life. I absolutely Loved that scene ❤ And now 2 days later shes in a coma and El can't reach her she probably has to go deep into subcautious to reach her because Henry did say all the Souls were with him and I don't think the Duffer Brothers would bring her back just to have her be brain dead. Shes obviously still important to the story so shes probably trapped somewhere and El has to go deeper into her mind to get her out. Max is now suffering just like Will was in the first two Seasons maybe Will can help save her since he can feel him cause she'll probably be able to feel him too because they've both been taken to the Upside Down by force. I want Will to have his Shining Heroic Moment in Season 5 because he's always been so scared. Max's poor bones are broken so shes all wrapped up and shes blind but I'm glad shes alive El made her true survivor. The other 3 were not that Lucky shes the 4th but gets to Live....
I love how all three of them going back and forth then you got the guy in the purple just soaking up all the tea just like,"Im staying out of this shit".
I know I'm incredibly late to comment and you probably already know by now or just don't care. But the mindflayer was already in the upside down when vecna/1 got there but it was just a cloud of black smoke, he used his powers to give it form/shape like a spider (like his drawings), as remember he collected all them blackwidows as he liked spiders
Nathan was trying to tell them that
Eddie sacrifices himself for Dustin and the group. When he said he didn't run this time cause we know his whole life hes been running like his old man and he said I guess I finally graduated. That was such a Heartbreaking scene and beautiful acting from the actor. Him and Dustin had some amazing Bro moments together in this episode and this whole season. The two of them together were amazing and he did tell Dustin Never Change which was the sweetest moment. I hope Dustin doesn't lose his other brother Steve in Season 5 because he's been through enough with his cat, Dart and now Eddie and Max. Poor Dustins had to say goodbye a lot. And then the scene with Dustin and Eddies Uncle when he gave him his dog tag necklace and told him he was a Hero just broke my heart. It was so Emotional and beautiful to watch knowing someone believed his nephew wasn't evil how dare the townspeople throw his name in the mud like that giving Hellfire a bad name so whats gonna happen to Hellfire now Eddie did give Dustin the reins in the end so he might be their new Leader but its gonna be hard when everybody thinks that their little game is a cult and they already have enough to deal with. Are you feeling guity for calling Eddie Trash now Nathan...
Literally related to Will so much last ep, and how here Johnathan reassures Will that he loves him no matter how he is such a heartwarming moment between true brothers, like damn, give this poor kid a break with love and relations to the upside down, Duffers! They better not kill him off. Anyways great reactions as always guys. Love the discussions afterwards too. Davion and Nathan bickering never gets old haha. Perhaps you guys can react to Bojack Horseman some time? The themes in the show are pretty relatable, dark and funny moments too. Or maybe “I Am Not Okay With This”? It’s somewhat like Stranger Things, but the show was cancelled with only one season though. STILL. A pretty well made show.
Duffers said Will will be a main focus next season 👍
I agreeee
"I am not okay with this" is fucking amazing.
I don't think eleven is displaying a new power, she's using her existing power to restart Max's heart.
Also the book “talisman” Lucas was reading max is a major Easter egg! The duffer brothers and Netflix are making a season on Stephen kings “talisman” but also it’s about some kid travelling to another dimension to help find the cure for his sick mom..maybe Lucas has to do the same for max!
I’m so excited that I can watch this as it comes out!
The interest in Robin’s love life ❤
I’m so sad you’re done😢 It’s been a great time everyone❤❤
Pretty sure el used telekinesis to make her heart beat again.
The Mind Flayer was already there in the Upside down, but Vecna merged with it, and then shaped it into a spider. Since he likes spiders. Vecna is the one in charge here, the Upside down always had creatures and crazy smoke monsters and those bats. But Vecna was sent to this world and with his power, used it to connect to the upside down. Remember those vines? He used those as a power boost (connected to his back) his psychic powers so he can can get into the minds of Chrissy and those other kids in the living world. So yes Vecna survived the assault and will be back for season 5. I also believe Eddie will be back in season 5. Yes Eleven is very powerful, but as they told her last episode, she wasn't ready to take on Vecna. She disregarded that advice and went up against him anyway, for round 2. Round 3 is coming in season 5.
Oh, Eleven doesn't have healing powers, she jump started Max's heart. Max is in a very serious coma and remember Vecna takes what he kills. So my guess is her mind is with Vecna and her body is in the hospital which shows she is in a coma.
can we talk about how he picked up on the symbolism with the peanut butter on peanut butter sandwich 😭 no one ever mentions that
What a journey it has been watching your stranger things reactions guys and incredible finale it was, can't wait for S5 ✌🏽
The way everyone got emotional when Max "died" Got me so emotional seeing justus sad made me cry my eyes out man. But davion was right it really feels like an end of an Era. Onto season 5
I love how Eddie knew that if him and Dustin climbed back through the gate, those bats would’ve just followed them into our world. When he said he’s buying more time, he literally meant he’s buying Hawkins more time to stay alive
By the way no voice modulation machinery was used for Vecnas voice. The actor that plays 1 also plays Vecna, he’s not cgi (though the vines moving within his suit are). And he just makes his voice go that deep.
Millie not getting a Oscar nomination is a crime
Not a movie so it wouldn't be an Oscar lol It would be an Emmy.
If Mike is the Heart, Dustin is THE BRAIN AND THE SOUL. “Never change Dustin Henderson” said by Eddie. That time I realised that Eddie would definitely die and I was literally crying the whole episode, cause I love Eddie so much and seeing Dustin hurt…oh gosh that is so heartbreaking! I can’t stand him being hurt. But hopefully there is Steve alive! Thanks Duffers!
The show literally explained everything yet y’all continue to argue 😂
So did y’all like the finale or not?? 😂
i thought it was amazing - nathan
I think they all liked it to varying degrees just had some problems with it.
@@JustUs I agree with you
I never bawled my eyes out watching a show so much😭
Miles don't you dare leave us now that Stranger Things is over.
I love how the whole show went full circle in season one she didn’t want the door closed, season three she didn’t want to leave it open and season four where she leaves it open