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Also doesn't know shit about rap, doesn't realize Jay left Roc-a-fella was to go full independent, founded Roc Nation after. Jay-z is literally in the middle of changing the game still. lol
@@MarceloAbans what the fuck are you saying? Holy shit, where did you read that? Jay Z went to sell out 100%, that's why he lost Dame Dash. You just got this one 100% wrong, he went to be a suit. Roc Nation has never been independent.
As a Black-American who grew up listening to Rap and R&B, I eventually expanded my ears to appreciate other forms of music like Country, Rock/Metal, Jazz, Classical, and even far out into Celtic music. To me, folks like him just have a subconscious dislike of the _people_ that create a particular genre of music. Music is a beautiful thing, you don't have to be the same race, culture or nationality to appreciate it. My favorite band is Meshuggah, they're Swedish, and I listen to them more than anyone else at this point.
To be fair, I'm not with him in his thinking that mumble rap ruins the african american community and stuff like that, but he liked the older raps and stuff like that, so he dosn't sound racist. But I kinda get his point of view, In a way.. Dont agree with It, but i can see his perspectiv. Im black btw.
Because these people are caught up with the idea that we are, in some way or another, sub or at the very least beneath human ability. So you can't have a "sub human" create not just 1 but 4 styles of music that the WORLD by storm in ways they never could. Not to mention that the 4 major genres created by Black-Americans were all rooted in misery. Blues, Jazz, rock and rap, all were blow horns for the black experience. So much of America's music is intwinded with african culture. Blue Grass maybe the 1 genre where European and African cultures come together. Then accessibility of being able to make these genres. Not like the kid down the street in England was making orchestral beats. Also something a lot of worshipers of Beethoven forget, there were not poor people coming up.
@@vlomman This criticism has happened at every step of rap. In the 80s Rick James said rap was bad for black people because it made them stop wanting to learn instruments and just sample. 90s was gangsta rap was bad for the black community because it glorified criminals. (Goodfellas was released in 1990 to be considered one of the best gangster movies) Jiggy Era - it focused too much on sex and materialism. It's always been "bad".
I sorta define high culture as snobby bs that people don't enjoy but engage in as a form of social signaling that they are part of the ingroup. Sorta like the people who think "MARVEL MOVIES SUCK AND THE ONLY REAL CINEMA IS BORING PERIOD DRAMAS". But yeh you are probably right about Eric's definition lmao.
@@harivatsaparameshwaran4174 My first thought was the high class art world. Putting aside the money laundering and other shady shit that happens, people will pay thousands of dollars for a paint splatter just to signal that they can.
This guy literally saying "we need to have a homogenous culture!" then arguing unironically that people shouldn't need "safe spaces." Bruh, you literally want America to be your safe space.
I know this is a year old, but also him (rightfully, but beside the point) criticizing vaush for saying that we shouldn’t platform or even debate right-wingers because it’s in favor of censorship, then proceeding to basically say we need everyone to think the same
@@spiritsplice Nice dog whistle dude. I'm going to rephrase that to what you actually meant and then answer it. 'Is having a white Christian ethno-state a safe space?' Yes, if you're a racist white Christian then that's probably the highest level of safe space you could possibly have.
Miyo, the defender of the american culture and race: - doesn't know how to define american - doesn't know how to define culture - doesn't know what music would be american - doesn't know anything about the actual american music that exists - doesn't know history I wonder what this guy actually does know. But hey dude. He played swing swing swing
That was literally the first Jazz piece I ever played in 8th grade. It's a good song but it's not anything complex to brag about. The dude whips it out like he was claiming he played the drum solo from "Whiplash".
Why do these types of people ever talk about music ? Music is like the ultimate result of multiculturalism which they seem to be against, the only other greater cultural exchange of people I can imagine is probably food.
I think that's a good point. Something like literature is somewhat difficult to share across cultures because it requires translation to understand, and sometimes the translation can lessen the work of done poorly, or some ideas might simply not work in the other language.
As a musician myself, yes, music is a universal language. I've heard musicians who make songs that aren't even in a language I speak, but I still enjoy it.
that's a really interestinh potential area for discussion that will never happen bc the only thing online political audiences read is 4chan/Twitter posts
I think people like this guy talk about music because there are certain preconceived notions about music already that they can play off of. Our society already considers classical music more "prestigious," so a message like this is kind of hard to refute if you're a regular person. But, idk, it's just a guess.
I think the visual arts are the same way as well. The catalyst for the Renaissance came out of artists being obsessed with the Greek and Roman art. Fascist gate keepers on art has always been bad for art. Just look at the nazi’s trying to stamp out Impressionism, the bauhaus, etc. look what the Byzantine period did to art when it was controlled by the church.
i love how the guy immediately goes "oh oh" as soon as destiny says "roc-a-fella music", showing that he doesnt know anything about it and thinks that it has something to do with rockefeller
He literally repeats it back as Rockefeller, he actually had no clue they were different things (neither did I tbf but I would have clarified right there lmao, "uh like the oil guys?")
Why is he so mad about the idea of Jewish people owning media companies when Jewish people are an integral part of American culture and have been here since America's founding? 🤔🤔🤔
Because he is a Nazi and doesn't really mean his mask on talking points about the people who have been there since the US was founded. Him embracing black American music like jazz, blues and rock as a part of American culture has more to do with white Americans gentrification of it. People like him hated those forms of music back in the day the way he hates hip-hop.
@@jloiben12 Rappers Delight came out in 79 and really put Hip Hop on the map in the mainstream. Even tho Herc was rocking underground rap shows from 73, Hip Hop really broke through in the 80s
@@camdude6670 Sure. I 100% agree with you that the 80s is when a lot of the meaningful firsts occurred and where a lot of things we identify with rap were established. I don’t think that refutes what I said though. That is just a good augmentation of what I said
@@jloiben12 I guess I just disagreed with the 70s being the "generally acknowledged birth-decade of rap music". Generally, I'd say most people would consider the 80s. It's probably just backpacker rap/music nerds (like myself) that would even know who Herc was lol
You can tell when someone is a Compulsive liar when you catch them in a simple one, and they compound them into something unbelievable. Classical Music > Rap music >>> I am a professional musician and play 4 really difficult instruments >>>> I can't demonstrate knowledge or skill because it was so long ago >>>>>> I can't name any classical music because I'm blanking. Compulsive liars could not tell the truth if their life depended on it. It's why he was so desperate to get off the subject.
@@Crispman_777 No. That's a common misconception. Music, like most art, is 90% objective. People that don't understand it like to claim otherwise so that their completely uninformed opinion can be just as valid as the informed opinion of musicians in their imagination but they are not.
@@redrick8900 Oh sorry, I didn't realise we were just shitting words out of our rear ends. That is a ludicrous statement to make. Demonstrate to us how one art form is _objectively_ better than another. Outside of individual artists' skill and appropriate use of a medium it's literally impossible. Even defining art is subjective. You may as well be saying "fried eggs are better than ice-cream". They're both food, but they're pretty incomparable.
I didn't know about this debate from so long ago, but hearing him do that broke me. I wish I had the amount of copium these people have then I could live in a world where I pretend they don't exist.
This was an absolute fucking slaughter. Btw, as a rapper that studies technical rap, rap music has gotten infinitely more complex since the days of 2Pac. Ppl consider him a legend bc of his political messaging, but in terms of his lyricism, he was pretty basic. Things like polysyllabic rhyme schemes, wordplay, flow patterns, cadences, the use of oronyms, homonyms, metaphors, double/triple entendres, etc. These things have only come about within the last few decades. Rap songs with lyrics as complex as Mural by Lupe Fiasco or flow patterns/rhyme schemes as complex as those in Rap God by Eminem did NOT exist 25+ years ago. The idea that rap has gotten less complex is laughably stupid.
You're fucking wrong. Pharcyde, Digable Planets, Brand Nubians, Tribe Called Quest, Erik B & Rakim, Bone Things N Harmony, Keith Murray, Black Sheep, etc did "complex" lyrical rap you mentioned better than most of the shit made today. You probably have no idea who they are. If you did you wouldn't be running your mouth.
@It's Me, Hubert better is subjective. I’m pretty sure the claim I was responding to was abt the complexity of rap. It was a descriptive claim I was refuting.
everytime Destiny pushes him to talk on one topic and counters him with facts his response is always "Well I haven't thought about that" or "I need to look that up" and then he rambles for 5 mins
Clearly shows his opinions are uninformed and without substance. The guy built his opinions on things he read somewhere but didn't take the time to dig into the topic properly.
I never laughed so hard when this guy said he was a jazz musician. If he can't even answer what the dominant seventh in a given scale is, you aren't a jazz musician my guy. Even students first starting off learn that sort of shit.
@@zacharyclark4092 Nah a dominant chord is always a chord built from the fifth note of the root. So a dominant to the C Major Scale would be G. Build a G Major 7th chord and move the 7th note a half step down. That's your Dominant seventh. That's really just elementary stuff, anyone could learn that just by brushing up on some starter theory book.
@@jloiben12 Saying that these are lies imparts a sense of thoughtfulness that, I think, is completely undeserved. He is in bad faith, in the initial Sartrean conception rather than the modern debate bro sense, in that he is unaware of the mental leaps he is making due to his unconscious mind protecting his conscious mind from painful truths or ideas.
A half hour in: this guy is hopelessly uninformed about the cultures of Mexico City or London. And totally unaware of where cowboy culture thrives. It's as big in Mexico (and most of Latin America) as in the US great plains. And hardly exists in the UK. A cowboy in Montana would have more in common with some Brit than a Mexican cowboy? 🤦🏼♂️
Actually cowboys were largely Mexican. It started in Mexico lol. Cowboys as far as the modern understanding goes is largely a fabrication by Hollywood.
@@blitz8425 which makes him even more wrong in the point he was trying to make about white people in Montana or Wyoming having more in common with the British than the Mexicans.
@@Matt_Fields_29 i 100% agree. That's just something I'm interested in and wanted to clarify. Almost popped my top when he said non avian dinosaurs and humans lived together.
Hell, I would go so far as to say the British farming and horse riding subcultures are so divorced from western cowboys (US or Latin American) that the cowboys have more in common with city people in Dallas or St Louis. He really underestimates the differences between the west and Britian for stuff like taste in entertainment, cuisine, taste in vehicles, ways they deal with the weather, etc.
Hi. British cowboy here. I find your attempt to erase my culture and heritage somewhat problematic. I challenge thee to a duel at noon, old chap, after which we can have tea and crumpets.
and then he cant name a single piece by his supposedly favorite composer. what killed me was when he was trying to figure out the dominant seventh of C major and said F#. clearly, his years of musical education and experience was just him watching one of those falling note piano roll videos with the cool lights whenever it popped up in his recommended.
@@M.J44 He came to that conclusion because he's working backwards from the preformed idea he has in mind that "anything produced by Africans has to be more simplistic and primitive than that produced by white people."
Classical music is high culture for the European race, but jazz is the definitive high culture for Americans, as it was the music of the golden age of America.
Although “partial” and “embouchure” is kinda technical lingo for amateur trumpet players, I find it unfathomable that someone could be a professional with a music degree who plays 1st trumpet at paid venues to not know those terms. This would be the equivalent of a doctor not knowing what the endocrine system is. Sure, to most layman it’s a really complicated/arbitrary thing to know about. But you could ask anyone with a medical degree what it is and they would give you a clear and concise explanation of the endocrine system. This troll 100% realized he was in over his head too late in the convo but chose to shit all over his own dignity rather than just admit he’s an amateur who doesn’t know about music theory.
I agree with this but would go even further. Maybe partial is a bit complex, but embouchure is taught in middle school band. You can't play the instrument without knowing about it. There's no way this guy is a musician.
I feel like if one was to say that they play Trumpet professionally and use that to hold a credentialed argument, these topics would be super basic level stuff. Destiny wasn’t asking him about the harmonic spectrum and how that works and how each valve of the trumpet effects a specific partial specifically.
In all fairness, I played first chair trumpet for 3 years at my high school and didn't learn the term "embouchure" until the last year, or much music theory at all. I mostly just sight-read the music and played by ear. The difference is, I'm not claiming to have some knowledge of what makes music "good" from a theoretical perspective, or beating people over the head, claiming that my fucking band elective makes me an authority on culture, lol.
Lmfao when striker said “listen to the radio” to suggest what people predominantly listen to now, is still one of the most hilarious nazi lines to me for some reason
@@matsab7930 I don’t really think that it is 😂 I just think certain parts are poisoned in their ideologies as a response to the other extreme we saw last century. I want to be in Australia and have since I was 4 years old. Also, if you think we have been isolationist, you don’t know what you’re saying
Honestly more than likely it was one RUclips video made by someone who also has very surface level knowledge of music theory. Seen more than a couple of those made by dudes trying to say that new music sucks, and their reasons were always "muh timber"
Next time someone says "dinosaurs and humans lived together" tell them they're right, and that humans have coexisted with birds since we first evolved.
Do you know the type of music that is basically guaranteed to become insanely popular? Music that young black people listen to that is then sold to young white people. I mean this is basically the history of music in America and music is one of America’s greatest exports
Music isn't the cause of anything exactly, although I do think it can have influential properties. But it is a reflection of a culture. If 90% of rap is about drugs, guns, violence, death, hyper sexual, misogynistic etc then you better pay attention because they're telling you something about what is actually going on in these communities
Its because they don’t have their own ideas, they are regurgitating something they heard or told to them… it’s how a person could be so passionate about being so misinformed
@@b3at2 it's so crazy that these are the same people who genuinely believe they're "anti-establishment" because they don't trust these "elites" yet all they do is find outdated misinformation that agrees with them politically and was propagated by some oligarchs maybe 100 years ago
Its absolutely mind-blowing, Like I didn't think anybody that had the slightest enthusiasm for music history could make these arguments. Absolutely crushing ignorance.
this isnt fair. groypers aren't human and can't have a normal converstation without bleeting out a bunch of stale memes, and presenting them as arguments. lol.
Agreed talking to this guy was like taking a trip back 5 years, their ideas haven't evolved or changed at all, they still get hung up on culture and can't even clearly define it. 🙄 Even biologists can define culture in whales but these 'ubermensch' can't even describe it with different human populations? Truly the apex of our species, clearly.
@Maurits They want to be serious but know they can't in public. The shitposting is just an easy way to shout out your ideas without having to face consequences and have fun at others expense at the same time. It's teenager argumentation tactics and not much more.
As someone who studied music at the collegiate level and plays professionally, this video was so funny. The fact that someone would claim to play a brass wind at a pro level but doesn’t know what a partial is is funny. I wish he would’ve asked him about cadences. But he got him on embouchure, aperture, theory, all of it lol
This just hit me when I was driving. This guy claims to play trumpet, and said Mexican music was the cultural thing that he didn't vibe with...Mexican music is loaded with trumpets!!! One if the most recognizable Mariachi songs is El Jarabe Tapatio( I had to look it up by humming to Google search) and the trumpets are dominate as hell.
Vaush's point, at least as I understood it, was that in a confrontational setting (so, a debate), the left-wing interlocutor should at least be equipped to challenge far-right debaters satisfyingly. You shouldn't debate the far-right if you're ill-equipped to do so. Which is, honestly, a rational position to take if you truly believe in advocating for your side and want it to win. I've heard sentiments like this expressed in *professional* round-based debate settings. It makes sense, especially if you're talking about debates against the far-right.
@@Alexander-th6nl vaush and destiny don't share an ideology. While it's valid to assert that vaush grew from destiny, it's demonstrably false to claim that *all* of his opinions come from destiny.
@@Alexander-th6nl Sometimes the people you don't like have good takes. Its tough but it's a part of growing up. Also if "all of Vaush's other opinions" were taken from Destiny how do explain their divergence on worker co-ops, foreign policy, decomodification, capitalism vs Socialism, coersion, and a lot more? iI you are not held back by stale meme brain then this should be easy to see that you are wrong.
@@user-gv1ud2oq1w Late to the party but that’s not an appeal to authority. It would be like appealing to a microbiologists with a PhD and saying “look he has a PhD therefore he’s smart and knows things so let’s look to him as an authority figure on music.” Looking to a person whose in music or does music or studies music as an authority on the topic of music isn’t an a fallacious appeal to authority.
Also the funny thing about these people like Striker and other 'return to tradition' and 'high culture' types is that they don't even really engage with, or have much knowledge of the 'high culture' stuff they talk about. They haven't listened to a single symphony or read any of the 'canon of Western Literature' unless they were forced to at school. If you asked them to name their favourite composer it would be someone who everyone knows like Beethoven because they heard the opening to his 5th symphony in an advertisement once. They enjoy the same contemporary art and cultural products that we all do right now, while pretending to themselves that they're some kind of connoisseurs of 'superior art'.
@@axoltl1 true, although them listening or reading to it wouldn't make the argument any stronger, it would just make them look as less of a bunch of disingenuous idiots, and just plain old blinded by nostalgia or whatever. Cause even if they listened to it, i wish them luck trying to defend it on any serious level, they would be just as empty handed but now at least they could listen to it while crying (not even music colleges defend such idea, it's only these kind of pedantic fools lol)
Miyo learned more about music in this absolute verbal shellacking from Destiny than probably any schooling or real world experience he ever went through during his time as "a musician."
Dude tried to claim black American culture didn't basically make the genre jazz and band, as soon as he claimed to be a musician I thought to myself "yeah dude and I'm the queen of England"
@@JMyrk It's because these people don't actually listen to, or have any appreciation for classical music. They only parrot the claim that it's superior because they want to use it as an argument against 'modern culture' or 'black/brown/jewish culture'.
Music school Steven is based AF! Lol. The groyper tripping all over his own loaded claims, only to get called out on his crap and then failing to substantiate, was hilarious.
@@ThePainkiller9995 Most of their so-called talk points, they’re completely ignorant about. Science. Culture. Art. Music. Language. Trends. Demographics. All they do is repeat some paraphrased version of an erroneous Jared Taylor argument with some of their usual buzzwords, and delivered with a sense of certainty. It’s probably how they convince themselves of these arguments being valid because they don’t actually have anything substantive.
This guy is 100% a troll. How does he not know the circle of fifths. I'm literally a high school drop out and I know more about music theory than this kid. Wtf I'm malding hahahhah
The first debate Destiny did with him the other day, I thought 'Ohkay, maybe we have some type of advanced form JF or some shit's And then he started to talk and it's like, probably one of the worst performances I've seen from a right winger. Even dumber is that my introduction to the guy , I'm pretty sure she said he was redpilling her.
@@bokajon I remember her saying that but I legit thought she was referring to somebody else. The dude sounds like a worse, poor-man's version of Sargon
America has never had a homogeneous culture. From LA, Miami, El Paso, Montana, Kansas City, New Jersey, Boston, etc. America is so big that every State almost acts like a country with their own “cultures”
@@pogo8050 im sure there are people who live in certain areas that are better suited to other places. I’m talking about cultures of specific areas of America. You hear it in music, accents, life perspective, food, etc. all places I listed have these differences, therefore having different cultures.
@@NathanExploshin yeah I agree. It’s kinda like we all have some cultural tendencies that are true across the board. But not in the way I think the nazis talk about culture.
All people do is expose their stupidity when they do. I mean literally everyone who knows anything about the history of music will basically exclusively agree with 100% of what Destiny says regarding music
@@jloiben12 well, maybe not that Wagner or the later romantic composer did every or most peices by comission, but otherwise yeah, everything he said sounds completly correct.
All these new drama frogs coming in and changing our culture, thinking Destiny's roots are in drama. Destiny needs to go back to his real roots as an agar.io Blob.
Destiny seems so much more relaxed talking to right wingers. Talking to Striker or Lauren Southern, he seems to just have fun with it. Whenever Destiny debates lefties like Demonamama or Serfs things get so tense and hostile immediately.
Leftists who actively engage in cancel culture are far more threatening to a streamer than some underground right-wing personality that can barely remain unbanned on popular social media platforms. When things become personal, things become very hostile.
Probably because of the threat of being labled as something insidious by the left is much more prominent unfortunately, so he has to be more aggressive to ensure his points aren't mischaracterised.
“What I’m saying is that what you say, as an expansion, it’s true that 4 over 4 beats were common in classical music, but there’s also different other types of tempo” - Yea, this guy really knows music
I took 4 years of guitar in high school and it hurts to hear a sentence like that even though I haven't touched music since. This guy really mixed up time signature and tempo.
Every time I see anything related to Politically Provoked, I just get a "hide your power level" vibe. Not surprised at what it appears to have become in the slightest.
Are these guys just mad because they can't understand Spanish, so like when they hear people around them speak it they get triggered and think they're like, making fun of them or something... are these people just very insecure?
I have to wonder where they are from, because the south west literally has Spanish flare baked in. It came that way. Anecdotal, but usually when I see folks complaining about immigration or the border...they don't reside in any of these states that are connected to it. That and don't really understand how the world and it's history works because they've never been anywhere. Also ironically are many times not even old enough to know what America was actually like during the times they want to go back to.
@@TitoLounge11 really? I mean when im in the US i speak english to locals (hotels, shops restaurants) and spanish with my family but it never came to my mind that non bilingual ppl thinks u are mocking them or smth
Imagine if I claimed to be an professional physicist, and someone asked me "Hey, how do you calculate velocity?" And I was just like "Idk man I probably know but I forgot." No one would take me seriously.
Also the idea that we can have a "unified country culture" that is possible to defend by limiting immigration is a joke too. The existence of the internet makes this impossible unless you want to be like China where you block your country's access to 90% of the internet.
I feel like that answer is actually pretty complicated depending on if we’re talking about velocity at just one instant or the average velocity over a period of time.
@@ChipCheerio Sure there are complicated answers to that question, but you should be able to give an answer of some form. Like even just answering "I need you to be specific, there's a few factors that go into solving for velocity" is good. From there you could get into specifics and wouldn't look bad if you can answer questions from there. The issue is though.. It'd still look _really bad_ if the professional physicist couldn't give you the basic answer of "Velocity = Displacement/change in time", it's shit you're taught in HS so if a supposed expert doesn't know that, then it calls into question the expertise. Like when Mio was asked about his C scales, or asked about basic musical theory stuff or about the embouchure, and could only ever respond with "I don't know/I don't remember that shit/I forgot" while also presenting himself as a 200 IQ professional musician, bringing this up to win a musical theory argument which actually requires knowledge of much higher concepts than he was asked... It just winds up smelling like bullshit.
@@ChipCheerio Yeah course I don't expect you to. I don't know half this shit either, I'm just not pretending to be an expert. I was just explaining why a physicist not being sure how to answer a question is a bit different. (And I know you weren't defending Mio or anything lmao I just don't like talking out my ass w/o examples.)
“Traditional American music” Aka black American music. Basically the only music genre in the western world that isn’t based in black American music is classical music
@@jackthehat1093 Rock music did evolve from African-American music, country was majorly influenced by African-American folk. I don’t know enough about those other genres to know their backgrounds, so I’ll let other people be the judge of that.
Uhh . . . I don't know, but my classically trained music professors love Duke Ellington. You know, the most well known big band composer who happens to be very black!!
He’s claiming that jazz music was created by black American people and not Africans, as if it doesn’t derive half of its influence from african music and beats. Jazz is literally a result of two cultures merging together
Wish Destiny would've pushed him more on the "YOU'RE against American culture" thing. Really switches the narrative around from a left standpoint because the right generally tries to take the "protectors of the culture" role. Don't get me wrong, the dude got absolutely dunked on, but a narrative change is a really good way to change someone's mind
"But if I were to ask you why you wouldn't be able to tell me why." "Yeah because mumble rap sucks and Beethoven was based." Oh boy we are entering a very shallow pool of intellect here.
Wow have any of these white nationalists heard duke ellington or art tatum? A short listening to either of these artists would debunk every single claim both of these turds made. Very impressed with Destiny’s knowledge on the subject.
I remember Destiny always got accused of trying to trap people when he debated them, but he has only used his trap card(music) twice ever and both times they walked into it.
As someone currently enrolled in music theory courses and having played multiple instruments for almost 17 years,i can confirm that this guest doesn't know anything about music. He's also using talking points i've heard growing up trying to mask racism with logic about how some music is arbitrarily superior,and i don't throw the racism card lightly. Him not liking rap alone wouldn't make him a racist but the way he defends himself leads me to believe he's delusional and it pains him to admit contributions african-americans made to the overall culture of america.
Mayo’s struggle to describe or give examples of American culture was genuinely disheartening. The questions asked were very spot on. “What questions would you ask someone in a room to identify their nationality/cultural background?” The first one that comes to my mind is what state are you from? Each state has a culture that differs from things such as music and art to what are their laws and values. Some easy questions for any common American is: 1) what sports do you like or dislike? 2) what kind of car do you have? 3) what kind of beer do you like? - apparently Americans are infamous for being monolingual so you could ask, which language(s) do you know? 3) who do you think is an overrated pop star? 4) how much money have you spent on Disney products? The sorts of questions I imagine you ask a rich person: 1) how do like your steak? 2) what news do you consume regularly? Anyways, Mayo comes off as a white nationalist when his go to description of American culture was a political and religious one. Go to town Templar Knight.
Why does everyone on the right lie so confidently over pointless shit. Reminds me of that girl he debated a couple days ago that said she had a masters in behavioral economics and couldn't even explain what her study was on.
Even improv in Jazz has structure. Solos have beginnings and endings, most solos take place on top of predefined chords/rhythms/tempos, and professional musicians have a goal for their solos so much so that you can clearly hear the difference between Coltrane and Sonny Rollins. Some critics of Jazz go so far as to say that Jazz is overly structured and that the apparent freedom of Jazz improv is an illusion (Adorno’s On Jazz), which isn’t that crazy to say when you search “the lick“ on RUclips and understand that a lot of professional Jazz improvisation is the result years of thought about what to play, practicing what to play, BORROWING from other musicians, and fitting all of that work into a pre-established idiom, which results in something that sounds improvised, but is actually very safe to do; kind of like a magician sawing a “stranger“ in half. I don’t personally believe this btw.
Old-time, roots, NA folk, Appalachian, and mountain music styles are decidedly Americana. Jazz, blues, country, rock, punk, hip hop, techno, are all evolutionarily logical pursuits of both building on tradition and divergence. Music, food, language; culture is fluid and dynamic. The influence of good ideas break barriers and build bridges with 2 way streets
I'm absolutely confident I have more in common culturally with a middle-class student from Boston (as a Brit) than they would have with some 60 year old retired miner from Virginia. There is no unifying "American" culture that this guy is appealing to. The same is almost certainly true with an Indian student too.
Who were these media companies that brought rap to the masses? Were they the major labels? Or were they the independent labels that were created by black people and Jews because none of the existing big labels would touch them (and only recently has rap been acceptable to the mainstream labels)
@@albar428 I mean anyone who really thinks that rap was a… socially acceptable genre within the music world in the 80s or 70s are just lying. And it is lying because they either must know what they are saying is factually inaccurate or they didn’t even bother to do basic research because simple, basic research is all that is needed to demonstrate both black and white America’s hostility to rap (with the manifestations being of different types and degrees). If basic research is the only thing that is required to find out information, and you did not do the research and are saying the opposite of that information, you are lying. The 90s is when rap first really become acceptable but it wasn’t until the early 2000s that rap really broke through. Rap music basically willed itself into popularity IN SPITE OF the institutions that JQers like Striker and this dude talk about NOT BECAUSE OF THEM
Literally same 😂 he’s talking all this talk about “high culture music” and doesnt even know that Baroque music at the time had a ton of improv. I learned that in a 200 level music course. He coulda learned that with literally 10 minutes of reading on the genre
Destiny calls out a Groyper for hiding his power level and he brings up culture and music...
Click ► 6:58 to skip Eric Striker throwback debate
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We’re waiting for the annual Destiny-Fuentes collab; the primary antagonist of the DGG Extended Universe must return!
@@basedbritannian9916 booger Nick must return
Literally had flashbacks to the Eric Striker debate lmao
who owns the media is a loaded question (lol)
@@basedbritannian9916 jnoboonnônni no ninonjnj
Come on Steven, you can't beat this guy in a debate on music. He learned under Eric Striker.
It's just a bastardization of the Waltz
Strriiike one, ur ouuut!
This Groyper is a lower derivative of Striker
*Distant Elephant sounds
😂😂😂😂😂😂
'American culture is the things I like, and if things I don't like are part of American culture it was probably the Jews' - this guy's brain basically
@@alessandroesposito3648 tfw you follow internet hate fads bc desperate to fit in
We gets
Pretty much the logic of all post-nаzi ultranationalists
This but unironically
He called Rock-a-fella “Rockefeller”. Just can’t keep himself from using the hard R.
Also doesn't know shit about rap, doesn't realize Jay left Roc-a-fella was to go full independent, founded Roc Nation after. Jay-z is literally in the middle of changing the game still. lol
JayZ is less than relevant in today’s rap.
@@rayzell9010 i wouldn’t say less than relevant but maybe not as relevant
@@MarceloAbans what the fuck are you saying? Holy shit, where did you read that? Jay Z went to sell out 100%, that's why he lost Dame Dash. You just got this one 100% wrong, he went to be a suit. Roc Nation has never been independent.
@@rayzell9010 kanye west is relevant. that’s who they were talking about.
As a Black-American who grew up listening to Rap and R&B, I eventually expanded my ears to appreciate other forms of music like Country, Rock/Metal, Jazz, Classical, and even far out into Celtic music. To me, folks like him just have a subconscious dislike of the _people_ that create a particular genre of music. Music is a beautiful thing, you don't have to be the same race, culture or nationality to appreciate it. My favorite band is Meshuggah, they're Swedish, and I listen to them more than anyone else at this point.
Yo based Meshuggah, have a like
To be fair, I'm not with him in his thinking that mumble rap ruins the african american community and stuff like that, but he liked the older raps and stuff like that, so he dosn't sound racist. But I kinda get his point of view, In a way.. Dont agree with It, but i can see his perspectiv. Im black btw.
@@jerenmckey1800 lmao
Because these people are caught up with the idea that we are, in some way or another, sub or at the very least beneath human ability. So you can't have a "sub human" create not just 1 but 4 styles of music that the WORLD by storm in ways they never could. Not to mention that the 4 major genres created by Black-Americans were all rooted in misery. Blues, Jazz, rock and rap, all were blow horns for the black experience. So much of America's music is intwinded with african culture. Blue Grass maybe the 1 genre where European and African cultures come together. Then accessibility of being able to make these genres. Not like the kid down the street in England was making orchestral beats. Also something a lot of worshipers of Beethoven forget, there were not poor people coming up.
@@vlomman This criticism has happened at every step of rap. In the 80s Rick James said rap was bad for black people because it made them stop wanting to learn instruments and just sample. 90s was gangsta rap was bad for the black community because it glorified criminals. (Goodfellas was released in 1990 to be considered one of the best gangster movies) Jiggy Era - it focused too much on sex and materialism.
It's always been "bad".
"Miyo is a pretty good debater"
That's a cry for help, we need to locate the underground bunker Miyo has that girl tied up in.
Oh god knowing them she’s prob 12 too
I lost it when I heard that, also well they thought BPF was good too.
Its too late I think, she's already been tortured listening to miyo trying to play the Waltz on saxophone for hours on repeat
Big band is when you get a large bandaid for a cut btw
Big bands what I take to the club to make it rain
Big band is when you make a lot of money
Big banned is what I was after making fun of Destiny’s League gameplay.
Big band is not feudalism
Big band is how the universe started
Destiny dunking on Nazis over music is S Tier content
Triple S for me 😎
(DMC5 theme with the meme drawings start playing on the background)
@@Sesshounamaru7 He's pulling his devil trigger at least three times every day.
@@Sesshounamaru7 is the dmc5 theme big band?
@@Sesshounamaru7 Woah bro, I thought Nazi stuff capped out at SS.
@@note4note804 hitler was a n00b and could never reach beyond doble S
“What makes [classical music] high culture?” - Destiny
“It was made by white people for white people” - Striker
at least we would have a clear definition to work with in a debate, as horrible of a take it is.
It was made by white people for white people _a very long time ago_
@@travishimebaugh8381 still does not make it "high culture."
I sorta define high culture as snobby bs that people don't enjoy but engage in as a form of social signaling that they are part of the ingroup. Sorta like the people who think "MARVEL MOVIES SUCK AND THE ONLY REAL CINEMA IS BORING PERIOD DRAMAS". But yeh you are probably right about Eric's definition lmao.
@@harivatsaparameshwaran4174 My first thought was the high class art world. Putting aside the money laundering and other shady shit that happens, people will pay thousands of dollars for a paint splatter just to signal that they can.
This guy literally saying "we need to have a homogenous culture!" then arguing unironically that people shouldn't need "safe spaces." Bruh, you literally want America to be your safe space.
For real
Paper was invented by the Chinese, i guess paper isn't a part of American culture, time to burn all the paper
I know this is a year old, but also him (rightfully, but beside the point) criticizing vaush for saying that we shouldn’t platform or even debate right-wingers because it’s in favor of censorship, then proceeding to basically say we need everyone to think the same
Is having your own home a "safe space"?
@@spiritsplice Nice dog whistle dude. I'm going to rephrase that to what you actually meant and then answer it.
'Is having a white Christian ethno-state a safe space?'
Yes, if you're a racist white Christian then that's probably the highest level of safe space you could possibly have.
Miyo, the defender of the american culture and race:
- doesn't know how to define american
- doesn't know how to define culture
- doesn't know what music would be american
- doesn't know anything about the actual american music that exists
- doesn't know history
I wonder what this guy actually does know.
But hey dude. He played swing swing swing
Which, hilariously, is not the name of that piece. It's Sing, Sing, Sing.
Swing swing swing is in fact a song by the aptly named all American rejects
@@AlwaysAC so take THAT destiny. It’s even in their name all AMERICAN rejects. 🤦🏻🤦🏻
@@gustercc 🤣
That was literally the first Jazz piece I ever played in 8th grade. It's a good song but it's not anything complex to brag about. The dude whips it out like he was claiming he played the drum solo from "Whiplash".
Why do these types of people ever talk about music ? Music is like the ultimate result of multiculturalism which they seem to be against, the only other greater cultural exchange of people I can imagine is probably food.
I think that's a good point. Something like literature is somewhat difficult to share across cultures because it requires translation to understand, and sometimes the translation can lessen the work of done poorly, or some ideas might simply not work in the other language.
As a musician myself, yes, music is a universal language. I've heard musicians who make songs that aren't even in a language I speak, but I still enjoy it.
that's a really interestinh potential area for discussion that will never happen bc the only thing online political audiences read is 4chan/Twitter posts
I think people like this guy talk about music because there are certain preconceived notions about music already that they can play off of. Our society already considers classical music more "prestigious," so a message like this is kind of hard to refute if you're a regular person. But, idk, it's just a guess.
I think the visual arts are the same way as well. The catalyst for the Renaissance came out of artists being obsessed with the Greek and Roman art. Fascist gate keepers on art has always been bad for art. Just look at the nazi’s trying to stamp out Impressionism, the bauhaus, etc. look what the Byzantine period did to art when it was controlled by the church.
i love how the guy immediately goes "oh oh" as soon as destiny says "roc-a-fella music", showing that he doesnt know anything about it and thinks that it has something to do with rockefeller
He literally repeats it back as Rockefeller, he actually had no clue they were different things (neither did I tbf but I would have clarified right there lmao, "uh like the oil guys?")
The Rockefeller family are German Baptists as well, this guy can't even get antisemitism right
@@nicememes7570 to be fair that would have immediately betrayed the claims of expertise on the music in question
All the PEPEs in chat made me lmao
Oh my God, when Destiny played the piano everyone there knew it was all ogre for this dude.
Striker isn't sending his best
That guy sure has a lot of first hand knowledge or amnesia.
Yeah, dude was telling Steven he didn't know anything about music, but he literally has a piano set up right next to him, lol
Timestamp?
@@pivotguydc1149 54:45
Is this dude one of Eric Striker's or Nicholas J Fuentes?
Why is he so mad about the idea of Jewish people owning media companies when Jewish people are an integral part of American culture and have been here since America's founding? 🤔🤔🤔
Jealousy.
Because he is a Nazi and doesn't really mean his mask on talking points about the people who have been there since the US was founded. Him embracing black American music like jazz, blues and rock as a part of American culture has more to do with white Americans gentrification of it. People like him hated those forms of music back in the day the way he hates hip-hop.
@@austinlittle1638 of what exactly? You do know our complaints no?
@@AveSequoia what are your complaints of Jewish people?
@@alrighty4456 always adopt tribal anti native ideology while always seeking media and banking to get ahold of nations. Nothing new of course
"Rap music is a brand new thing", "from back in the 80's" - literally 40 years ago...
IT'S STILL 2005 AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED
Excuse me but the 70s called and they want their recognition for being the generally acknowledged birth-decade of rap music
@@jloiben12 Rappers Delight came out in 79 and really put Hip Hop on the map in the mainstream. Even tho Herc was rocking underground rap shows from 73, Hip Hop really broke through in the 80s
@@camdude6670
Sure. I 100% agree with you that the 80s is when a lot of the meaningful firsts occurred and where a lot of things we identify with rap were established. I don’t think that refutes what I said though. That is just a good augmentation of what I said
@@jloiben12 I guess I just disagreed with the 70s being the "generally acknowledged birth-decade of rap music".
Generally, I'd say most people would consider the 80s.
It's probably just backpacker rap/music nerds (like myself) that would even know who Herc was lol
It’s been a long time since a 1v4, as they say, you can take the Steve out of Nebraska
But Destiny is a girls name
thank you for this one
This was a Rollercoaster of a comment lol
Amazin
Absolute banger
black strippers name, if i may add
Is this the start of a new Alt-Right debate arc?
We're hoping LUL but at this level of conversation, it probably wont last long
i hope it is. so much better content
Please anything but lefties for one month
"You're talking to somebody who is a musician"... oh no no no the memes
Damn it's even worse than I thought
"You're talking to somebody who is a Diamond 2 League player"
@@godblessfaiz wait he reached d2?
You can tell when someone is a Compulsive liar when you catch them in a simple one, and they compound them into something unbelievable. Classical Music > Rap music >>> I am a professional musician and play 4 really difficult instruments >>>> I can't demonstrate knowledge or skill because it was so long ago >>>>>> I can't name any classical music because I'm blanking. Compulsive liars could not tell the truth if their life depended on it. It's why he was so desperate to get off the subject.
Groypers don't come by their beliefs honestly either. They will pretty much lie about anything to anyone.
Classical is better than rap though.
@@redrick8900 In your subjective opinion. This is impossible to prove objectively.
@@Crispman_777 No. That's a common misconception. Music, like most art, is 90% objective. People that don't understand it like to claim otherwise so that their completely uninformed opinion can be just as valid as the informed opinion of musicians in their imagination but they are not.
@@redrick8900 Oh sorry, I didn't realise we were just shitting words out of our rear ends. That is a ludicrous statement to make. Demonstrate to us how one art form is _objectively_ better than another. Outside of individual artists' skill and appropriate use of a medium it's literally impossible. Even defining art is subjective. You may as well be saying "fried eggs are better than ice-cream". They're both food, but they're pretty incomparable.
"Big band music isn't African american music"
*Stares in LOUIE ARMSTRONG 👁👄👁*
Is League of Legends a lower derivative of DOTA?
based and dotapilled
It’s actually a lower derivative of Pokémon Unite
they're all lower derivatives of chess
Bastardization at its finest
Actually yes.
I see the remnants of Eric "BRRBRBRBBRBRR Striker is lingering
I didn't know about this debate from so long ago, but hearing him do that broke me. I wish I had the amount of copium these people have then I could live in a world where I pretend they don't exist.
@@colebeejack3898 I die every time I hear it too
This was an absolute fucking slaughter.
Btw, as a rapper that studies technical rap, rap music has gotten infinitely more complex since the days of 2Pac. Ppl consider him a legend bc of his political messaging, but in terms of his lyricism, he was pretty basic. Things like polysyllabic rhyme schemes, wordplay, flow patterns, cadences, the use of oronyms, homonyms, metaphors, double/triple entendres, etc. These things have only come about within the last few decades. Rap songs with lyrics as complex as Mural by Lupe Fiasco or flow patterns/rhyme schemes as complex as those in Rap God by Eminem did NOT exist 25+ years ago. The idea that rap has gotten less complex is laughably stupid.
You're fucking wrong. Pharcyde, Digable Planets, Brand Nubians, Tribe Called Quest, Erik B & Rakim, Bone Things N Harmony, Keith Murray, Black Sheep, etc did "complex" lyrical rap you mentioned better than most of the shit made today. You probably have no idea who they are. If you did you wouldn't be running your mouth.
Most Def, De La Soul, Mad Skillz, Fugees(Vocab is an amazing wordplay rap by them)
and now we got HARRY MACK who can do it all off the top
Tech N9ne is miles ahead of all of them.
@It's Me, Hubert better is subjective. I’m pretty sure the claim I was responding to was abt the complexity of rap. It was a descriptive claim I was refuting.
everytime Destiny pushes him to talk on one topic and counters him with facts his response is always "Well I haven't thought about that" or "I need to look that up" and then he rambles for 5 mins
And the questions are literally directly about his ideology that he debates for lmao
Clearly shows his opinions are uninformed and without substance. The guy built his opinions on things he read somewhere but didn't take the time to dig into the topic properly.
*Big D refutes his point*
'I totally reject that... but yeah idk really I'll hafta look into that'
@@Mediados right, its bit annoying too. " Do anything for clout" lol
I never laughed so hard when this guy said he was a jazz musician. If he can't even answer what the dominant seventh in a given scale is, you aren't a jazz musician my guy. Even students first starting off learn that sort of shit.
You might laugh, but there's surely people out there unironically saying that the guy crushed destiny
@@kevlon_ I’ve asked that before, why debate when they’re not even honest
Isn’t it always just a half step from the root note?
@@zacharyclark4092 Nah a dominant chord is always a chord built from the fifth note of the root. So a dominant to the C Major Scale would be G. Build a G Major 7th chord and move the 7th note a half step down. That's your Dominant seventh.
That's really just elementary stuff, anyone could learn that just by brushing up on some starter theory book.
@@alexeonbel4304 that makes sense. I definitely could brush back up better lol. I’m thinking of something else I think
Hip hop not coming from an organic background was a take I wasn’t ready for
Was watching this live and when he said hip hop was not African-American culture I lost my mind
That demonstrates how easily this person can lie
@@jloiben12 Saying that these are lies imparts a sense of thoughtfulness that, I think, is completely undeserved. He is in bad faith, in the initial Sartrean conception rather than the modern debate bro sense, in that he is unaware of the mental leaps he is making due to his unconscious mind protecting his conscious mind from painful truths or ideas.
@@xero0015 Yeah the not-so-subtle implication that rap is actually Jewish was funny as hell.
@@albertjohnston1026 “big banks and well off lives livin in a Jewish paradise”
That’s how it went right?
A half hour in: this guy is hopelessly uninformed about the cultures of Mexico City or London. And totally unaware of where cowboy culture thrives. It's as big in Mexico (and most of Latin America) as in the US great plains. And hardly exists in the UK.
A cowboy in Montana would have more in common with some Brit than a Mexican cowboy? 🤦🏼♂️
Actually cowboys were largely Mexican. It started in Mexico lol. Cowboys as far as the modern understanding goes is largely a fabrication by Hollywood.
@@blitz8425 which makes him even more wrong in the point he was trying to make about white people in Montana or Wyoming having more in common with the British than the Mexicans.
@@Matt_Fields_29 i 100% agree. That's just something I'm interested in and wanted to clarify. Almost popped my top when he said non avian dinosaurs and humans lived together.
Hell, I would go so far as to say the British farming and horse riding subcultures are so divorced from western cowboys (US or Latin American) that the cowboys have more in common with city people in Dallas or St Louis.
He really underestimates the differences between the west and Britian for stuff like taste in entertainment, cuisine, taste in vehicles, ways they deal with the weather, etc.
Hi. British cowboy here. I find your attempt to erase my culture and heritage somewhat problematic. I challenge thee to a duel at noon, old chap, after which we can have tea and crumpets.
"music is my life"
later: "I havent played music in years"
Imagine admitting you have no life so readily.
@@andrewraby8008 Asap Rocky?
and then he cant name a single piece by his supposedly favorite composer. what killed me was when he was trying to figure out the dominant seventh of C major and said F#. clearly, his years of musical education and experience was just him watching one of those falling note piano roll videos with the cool lights whenever it popped up in his recommended.
As a classical music student, the idea that jazz is a “lower derivitive” or “more simplistic” of the WALTZ is fucking hilariously stupid.
I have no idea how he came to that conclusion lol. The only thing that is even remotely the same is the instruments, that's where it ends
@@M.J44 And even that is.. nowhere close lol. Ever heard a drum kit or saxophone in a waltz? haha
i’m not even a student. i just play classical and jazz and i was like wtf are you talking about.
@@M.J44 He came to that conclusion because he's working backwards from the preformed idea he has in mind that "anything produced by Africans has to be more simplistic and primitive than that produced by white people."
Classical music is high culture for the European race, but jazz is the definitive high culture for Americans, as it was the music of the golden age of America.
Although “partial” and “embouchure” is kinda technical lingo for amateur trumpet players, I find it unfathomable that someone could be a professional with a music degree who plays 1st trumpet at paid venues to not know those terms. This would be the equivalent of a doctor not knowing what the endocrine system is. Sure, to most layman it’s a really complicated/arbitrary thing to know about. But you could ask anyone with a medical degree what it is and they would give you a clear and concise explanation of the endocrine system. This troll 100% realized he was in over his head too late in the convo but chose to shit all over his own dignity rather than just admit he’s an amateur who doesn’t know about music theory.
I agree with this but would go even further. Maybe partial is a bit complex, but embouchure is taught in middle school band. You can't play the instrument without knowing about it. There's no way this guy is a musician.
TRUE, I learnt about embouchure quite early in one of the first technical terms you learn, and then partial a bit later
I feel like if one was to say that they play Trumpet professionally and use that to hold a credentialed argument, these topics would be super basic level stuff.
Destiny wasn’t asking him about the harmonic spectrum and how that works and how each valve of the trumpet effects a specific partial specifically.
In all fairness, I played first chair trumpet for 3 years at my high school and didn't learn the term "embouchure" until the last year, or much music theory at all. I mostly just sight-read the music and played by ear.
The difference is, I'm not claiming to have some knowledge of what makes music "good" from a theoretical perspective, or beating people over the head, claiming that my fucking band elective makes me an authority on culture, lol.
We learned embouchure in 6th grade beginner band. I played snare drum and even I learned about it. Its required learning for all woodwinds and brass
Lmfao when striker said “listen to the radio” to suggest what people predominantly listen to now, is still one of the most hilarious nazi lines to me for some reason
That's the traditional way :D. I can imagine being triggered by music if you don't actively curate what you listen to...
@@grymkaft I doubt it's that either, he just don't want this type of music to exist at all.
“Are you ready for your music lessons?”
Mozart gulped.
Beethoven nodded his head.
Bach took a deep breath.
“Yes, Eric Striker” they said in unison.
Bach would have pulled a literal no joke sword on this fool
White nationalists stumbling into music debates with Destiny is GODSTINY content
“What would you ask someone to find out if they’re American?”
-What do you think about guns?
-How much do you weigh?
The answer to the first one is:
"Not much but I have 7"
What would you ask if you wanted to know if someone isn’t American?
-Do you have free speech?
-Who pays for your military defense?
I support guns but I'm not that passionate about it, and don't personally own any.
@@josephkempinger ooh, there’s the American isolationism working. I promise a large part of the world isn’t as scary as you think!
@@matsab7930 I don’t really think that it is 😂 I just think certain parts are poisoned in their ideologies as a response to the other extreme we saw last century. I want to be in Australia and have since I was 4 years old. Also, if you think we have been isolationist, you don’t know what you’re saying
"It says timberrrrr"
-guy that read one article on music theory
Maybe he thought was reading about music theory but he was actually reading about logging
Honestly more than likely it was one RUclips video made by someone who also has very surface level knowledge of music theory. Seen more than a couple of those made by dudes trying to say that new music sucks, and their reasons were always "muh timber"
*TIMBEEEEER*
It's going down I'm yelling...
Next time someone says "dinosaurs and humans lived together" tell them they're right, and that humans have coexisted with birds since we first evolved.
YEE wins
Do you know the type of music that is basically guaranteed to become insanely popular?
Music that young black people listen to that is then sold to young white people. I mean this is basically the history of music in America and music is one of America’s greatest exports
So fucking true, especially with rock & roll
TLDR: The n-word-fication of America
@@JjackVideo what the fuck?
@@mohamedkhayat1095 did he stutter?
@@idimo7976 enjoy being replaced
A short hand summary of the conversation:
"Mumble rap sucks and Beethovan is based. "
" I have a history in music education and can prove this "
Dude claims he has 5 years of education on trumpet and couldn't answer the MOST BASIC questions ☠
Music isn't the cause of anything exactly, although I do think it can have influential properties. But it is a reflection of a culture. If 90% of rap is about drugs, guns, violence, death, hyper sexual, misogynistic etc then you better pay attention because they're telling you something about what is actually going on in these communities
Fucking this! Holy fuck the amount of people that don't get this honestly lack any critical thinking
Yeah they argue as if people just shat out random music out of nowhere with no connection to their life or circumstances.
To add on it's 90% of rap posses one or more not all at once.
you could make that same jackass analogy about satanic rock ,death metal gtfoh
@@chrisbennett6260 yeah famously people in metal bands never do anything bad
i could watch destiny's music debates for hours, and i dont even know shit about music
Its easy to listen to anyone talk about the subjects they're truly passionate about.
I liked the part where he just bust out the C blues scale.
I'm an expert in music, I play the greatest music. Other musics, forget it, they're losers
@@jamesbarnett6772 No, I have a black belt in musics and you can not match my superior wiggles.
Thought this was a reupload for a second, theres actually more people this confident yet so clueless about jazz or music in general ;^D
Its because they don’t have their own ideas, they are regurgitating something they heard or told to them… it’s how a person could be so passionate about being so misinformed
@@b3at2 it's so crazy that these are the same people who genuinely believe they're "anti-establishment" because they don't trust these "elites" yet all they do is find outdated misinformation that agrees with them politically and was propagated by some oligarchs maybe 100 years ago
He actually turned out to 99% sure be a troll
Its absolutely mind-blowing, Like I didn't think anybody that had the slightest enthusiasm for music history could make these arguments. Absolutely crushing ignorance.
this isnt fair. groypers aren't human and can't have a normal converstation without bleeting out a bunch of stale memes, and presenting them as arguments. lol.
Definitely human doh
BttK
Agreed talking to this guy was like taking a trip back 5 years, their ideas haven't evolved or changed at all, they still get hung up on culture and can't even clearly define it. 🙄
Even biologists can define culture in whales but these 'ubermensch' can't even describe it with different human populations?
Truly the apex of our species, clearly.
@@SneakyBadness Debatable
@Maurits They want to be serious but know they can't in public. The shitposting is just an easy way to shout out your ideas without having to face consequences and have fun at others expense at the same time. It's teenager argumentation tactics and not much more.
Appreciating classical music is having a classical Spotify playlist saved that you listened to a couple times.
As someone who studied music at the collegiate level and plays professionally, this video was so funny. The fact that someone would claim to play a brass wind at a pro level but doesn’t know what a partial is is funny.
I wish he would’ve asked him about cadences.
But he got him on embouchure, aperture, theory, all of it lol
This just hit me when I was driving. This guy claims to play trumpet, and said Mexican music was the cultural thing that he didn't vibe with...Mexican music is loaded with trumpets!!! One if the most recognizable Mariachi songs is El Jarabe Tapatio( I had to look it up by humming to Google search) and the trumpets are dominate as hell.
@@phanatic215 l
how many slides are on a trumpet? Havent played since 2013 but I still remember it got 4
@@coachderrick3736 sorry fam the 2015 Trumpet update reduced it to 3 slides
@@sandman3068 Damn… am i a boomer already?
Vaush's point, at least as I understood it, was that in a confrontational setting (so, a debate), the left-wing interlocutor should at least be equipped to challenge far-right debaters satisfyingly. You shouldn't debate the far-right if you're ill-equipped to do so.
Which is, honestly, a rational position to take if you truly believe in advocating for your side and want it to win. I've heard sentiments like this expressed in *professional* round-based debate settings. It makes sense, especially if you're talking about debates against the far-right.
Like all of vaush's other opinions. He got that from Destiny lmao.
@@Alexander-th6nl if it's right it's right
I feel his point was made the same way and is good advice for anyone arguing any position.
@@Alexander-th6nl vaush and destiny don't share an ideology. While it's valid to assert that vaush grew from destiny, it's demonstrably false to claim that *all* of his opinions come from destiny.
@@Alexander-th6nl Sometimes the people you don't like have good takes. Its tough but it's a part of growing up. Also if "all of Vaush's other opinions" were taken from Destiny how do explain their divergence on worker co-ops, foreign policy, decomodification, capitalism vs Socialism, coersion, and a lot more? iI you are not held back by stale meme brain then this should be easy to see that you are wrong.
I've never seen someone being humiliated in this fashion in quite some time, thank you Steven that made my day
never in quite some time? something aint addin up here jack
I love this guy trying to explain music to Destiny, who did 3 years of a degree in music lmao
But thats an appeal to authority, you can be studied in a field and still lose in a debate on that subject (not saying destiny did)
@@user-gv1ud2oq1w appeals to authority don’t always have to be bad, I thought in this case it was non-fallacious
@@adamsoundcloud4248 Without a degree, it is a pretty weak authority at that
@Anthony Mendenhall tru and humans are only oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus.
@@user-gv1ud2oq1w
Late to the party but that’s not an appeal to authority.
It would be like appealing to a microbiologists with a PhD and saying “look he has a PhD therefore he’s smart and knows things so let’s look to him as an authority figure on music.”
Looking to a person whose in music or does music or studies music as an authority on the topic of music isn’t an a fallacious appeal to authority.
Destiny's basic understanding of American/European Music History in the Striker debate is what originally hooked me. This is not hard to understand.
Also the funny thing about these people like Striker and other 'return to tradition' and 'high culture' types is that they don't even really engage with, or have much knowledge of the 'high culture' stuff they talk about. They haven't listened to a single symphony or read any of the 'canon of Western Literature' unless they were forced to at school. If you asked them to name their favourite composer it would be someone who everyone knows like Beethoven because they heard the opening to his 5th symphony in an advertisement once. They enjoy the same contemporary art and cultural products that we all do right now, while pretending to themselves that they're some kind of connoisseurs of 'superior art'.
@@axoltl1 true, although them listening or reading to it wouldn't make the argument any stronger, it would just make them look as less of a bunch of disingenuous idiots, and just plain old blinded by nostalgia or whatever. Cause even if they listened to it, i wish them luck trying to defend it on any serious level, they would be just as empty handed but now at least they could listen to it while crying (not even music colleges defend such idea, it's only these kind of pedantic fools lol)
Miyo learned more about music in this absolute verbal shellacking from Destiny than probably any schooling or real world experience he ever went through during his time as "a musician."
Dude tried to claim black American culture didn't basically make the genre jazz and band, as soon as he claimed to be a musician I thought to myself "yeah dude and I'm the queen of England"
miyo saying: "that would be a good conversation to have." has dono sound potential.
I died when he said his favourite Beethoven piece was "Moonlight Sonata in D"
Boring shit for normies. His 2nd favorite piece must be Pachelbel canon in D major, like my mom.
It’s not even in d.
@@brianphung7259 ikr it's in c# minor
He actually could've been less cringe if he said, "Yeah, in D...Deez nuts!"
@@JMyrk It's because these people don't actually listen to, or have any appreciation for classical music. They only parrot the claim that it's superior because they want to use it as an argument against 'modern culture' or 'black/brown/jewish culture'.
Music school Steven is based AF! Lol. The groyper tripping all over his own loaded claims, only to get called out on his crap and then failing to substantiate, was hilarious.
very interesting and telling that it's always the people who know the least about music that have these kind of takes lol
@@ThePainkiller9995 Most of their so-called talk points, they’re completely ignorant about.
Science. Culture. Art. Music. Language. Trends. Demographics.
All they do is repeat some paraphrased version of an erroneous Jared Taylor argument with some of their usual buzzwords, and delivered with a sense of certainty. It’s probably how they convince themselves of these arguments being valid because they don’t actually have anything substantive.
"I'm a musician."
"Jazz is just brbrlrpldlrpl"
This guy is 100% a troll. How does he not know the circle of fifths. I'm literally a high school drop out and I know more about music theory than this kid. Wtf I'm malding hahahhah
Why does the Politically Provoked host Brittany keep saying that this miyo dude is a good debater? His arguments are garbage.
Imagine buying arguments from a guy with a Anime PFP LULW
They said the same thing for BPF...
The first debate Destiny did with him the other day, I thought 'Ohkay, maybe we have some type of advanced form JF or some shit's
And then he started to talk and it's like, probably one of the worst performances I've seen from a right winger. Even dumber is that my introduction to the guy , I'm pretty sure she said he was redpilling her.
@@justinlacek1481 The strangest thing is that Brittany apparently got "red-pilled" by this guy on immigration.
@@bokajon I remember her saying that but I legit thought she was referring to somebody else. The dude sounds like a worse, poor-man's version of Sargon
My favorite part is when Destiny exposes him as a “high culture music” cosplayer. You can hear him start to sweat when he couldn’t answer destiny. 😂😂
America has never had a homogeneous culture. From LA, Miami, El Paso, Montana, Kansas City, New Jersey, Boston, etc. America is so big that every State almost acts like a country with their own “cultures”
Uuhh uhh no. Actually, some dude living in a town in Virginia definetly has the same culture as a yuppie in LA
@@pogo8050 im sure there are people who live in certain areas that are better suited to other places. I’m talking about cultures of specific areas of America. You hear it in music, accents, life perspective, food, etc. all places I listed have these differences, therefore having different cultures.
@@NathanExploshin yeah I agree. It’s kinda like we all have some cultural tendencies that are true across the board. But not in the way I think the nazis talk about culture.
@@pogo8050 the only thing that comes across as universal is barbecuing... (and that's not fully universal)
Lmao, timbre is like a secret word that only people with formal music education can pronounce.
I pronounced that like hombre while reading and I won't let anyone convince me it's not the right pronunciation
Tbf the pronouncing it as TIM-burr is also correct.
big band is when you have a big band. rock is when you make music with rocks.
Hip hop is when u have huge hips and u hop around on one leg,.
Yes pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease more people trying to debate Destiny on Music.
All people do is expose their stupidity when they do. I mean literally everyone who knows anything about the history of music will basically exclusively agree with 100% of what Destiny says regarding music
@@jloiben12 well, maybe not that Wagner or the later romantic composer did every or most peices by comission, but otherwise yeah, everything he said sounds completly correct.
@@jloiben12 Even those who don't will know how much these people are full of shit
@@jloiben12 Or me, a rap connoisseur who listens to pop music
Destiny needs to get back to his roots as a Pokimane drama streamer.
All these new drama frogs coming in and changing our culture, thinking Destiny's roots are in drama. Destiny needs to go back to his real roots as an agar.io Blob.
@@theronerdithas2944 Truu
I want sc2
Is this the "they're speaking a different language and it makes me unconfortable" guy?
Yup
When you're 21 in America you have a choice. You either lean what a partial is, or what a TIF is
I'm about to go through my TIF arc.
Rubick? What spell is this ?
Destiny seems so much more relaxed talking to right wingers. Talking to Striker or Lauren Southern, he seems to just have fun with it. Whenever Destiny debates lefties like Demonamama or Serfs things get so tense and hostile immediately.
Leftists who actively engage in cancel culture are far more threatening to a streamer than some underground right-wing personality that can barely remain unbanned on popular social media platforms. When things become personal, things become very hostile.
Probably because of the threat of being labled as something insidious by the left is much more prominent unfortunately, so he has to be more aggressive to ensure his points aren't mischaracterised.
I’m kinda disappointed we didn’t have Its Always Sunny music during the striker bit
Hahaha that would’ve been perfect
“What I’m saying is that what you say, as an expansion, it’s true that 4 over 4 beats were common in classical music, but there’s also different other types of tempo”
- Yea, this guy really knows music
He probably watched Whiplash a couple of times and became an expert
LMAO
I took 4 years of guitar in high school and it hurts to hear a sentence like that even though I haven't touched music since. This guy really mixed up time signature and tempo.
"How fast are you playing dude? "
"4/4 bro."
Every time I see anything related to Politically Provoked, I just get a "hide your power level" vibe. Not surprised at what it appears to have become in the slightest.
What do you mean?
They never even hid it well either.
@@robbiedontmiss gropyers are cowards who never admit the scope of their beliefs
@@mogscugg2639 OH! I get it now.i still don't know what the hell a groyper is. Is it a sect of the alt right?
@@robbiedontmiss Nick Fuentes followers. Neo Nazis. Holocaust denial. White supremacy. Fascist. The whole nine yards.
Are these guys just mad because they can't understand Spanish, so like when they hear people around them speak it they get triggered and think they're like, making fun of them or something... are these people just very insecure?
I have to wonder where they are from, because the south west literally has Spanish flare baked in. It came that way. Anecdotal, but usually when I see folks complaining about immigration or the border...they don't reside in any of these states that are connected to it. That and don't really understand how the world and it's history works because they've never been anywhere.
Also ironically are many times not even old enough to know what America was actually like during the times they want to go back to.
Basically, yes. That's it.
@@TitoLounge11 really? I mean when im in the US i speak english to locals (hotels, shops restaurants) and spanish with my family but it never came to my mind that non bilingual ppl thinks u are mocking them or smth
Imagine if I claimed to be an professional physicist, and someone asked me "Hey, how do you calculate velocity?" And I was just like "Idk man I probably know but I forgot." No one would take me seriously.
Also the idea that we can have a "unified country culture" that is possible to defend by limiting immigration is a joke too. The existence of the internet makes this impossible unless you want to be like China where you block your country's access to 90% of the internet.
I feel like that answer is actually pretty complicated depending on if we’re talking about velocity at just one instant or the average velocity over a period of time.
@@ChipCheerio Sure there are complicated answers to that question, but you should be able to give an answer of some form. Like even just answering "I need you to be specific, there's a few factors that go into solving for velocity" is good.
From there you could get into specifics and wouldn't look bad if you can answer questions from there. The issue is though.. It'd still look _really bad_ if the professional physicist couldn't give you the basic answer of "Velocity = Displacement/change in time", it's shit you're taught in HS so if a supposed expert doesn't know that, then it calls into question the expertise.
Like when Mio was asked about his C scales, or asked about basic musical theory stuff or about the embouchure, and could only ever respond with "I don't know/I don't remember that shit/I forgot" while also presenting himself as a 200 IQ professional musician, bringing this up to win a musical theory argument which actually requires knowledge of much higher concepts than he was asked... It just winds up smelling like bullshit.
@@ArmoredSoul1 No Miyo had no answer for anything at all, but as a layman with no musical background I have no idea what any scale is.
@@ChipCheerio Yeah course I don't expect you to. I don't know half this shit either, I'm just not pretending to be an expert. I was just explaining why a physicist not being sure how to answer a question is a bit different.
(And I know you weren't defending Mio or anything lmao I just don't like talking out my ass w/o examples.)
“Traditional American music”
Aka black American music. Basically the only music genre in the western world that isn’t based in black American music is classical music
Some genres of folk too, they're based in native American music instead lmao
Rock music is a black genre is it? Metal? Country music? Techno? Dancehall?
@@jackthehat1093 Destiny has some very stupid fans lol.
Actually I'm pretty sure even that is based on classical elements just heavily modified
@@jackthehat1093 Rock music did evolve from African-American music, country was majorly influenced by African-American folk. I don’t know enough about those other genres to know their backgrounds, so I’ll let other people be the judge of that.
Uhh . . . I don't know, but my classically trained music professors love Duke Ellington. You know, the most well known big band composer who happens to be very black!!
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It’s orgasmically satisfying seeing Destiny so arrogantly (in a good way) confident about music, as he should be.
Uuhh
@@slime8177 who doesn’t
He’s claiming that jazz music was created by black American people and not Africans, as if it doesn’t derive half of its influence from african music and beats. Jazz is literally a result of two cultures merging together
were was the jazz in africa in the 1910
Wish Destiny would've pushed him more on the "YOU'RE against American culture" thing. Really switches the narrative around from a left standpoint because the right generally tries to take the "protectors of the culture" role. Don't get me wrong, the dude got absolutely dunked on, but a narrative change is a really good way to change someone's mind
“I’ve known a lot of things I don’t remember.”
Hahahaha!
"But if I were to ask you why you wouldn't be able to tell me why."
"Yeah because mumble rap sucks and Beethoven was based."
Oh boy we are entering a very shallow pool of intellect here.
I played (poorly) the violin in high school like 15 years ago, and even I know the trumpet questions... This guy never touched an instrument
Wow have any of these white nationalists heard duke ellington or art tatum? A short listening to either of these artists would debunk every single claim both of these turds made. Very impressed with Destiny’s knowledge on the subject.
Dude complains that hip hop was popularised by media companies and then calls folk music "American music".
I remember Destiny always got accused of trying to trap people when he debated them, but he has only used his trap card(music) twice ever and both times they walked into it.
They didn't just walk into it, they set the trap themselves 🤣🤣
>Considers himself a "music snob"
>Calls Mozarts "pieces" "songs"
He's too simple minded to be an elitist of any sort
Stryker "They don't listen to hip hop and rap in theatre's so its not high culture!!!"
Nobody tell this man about Hamilton.
As someone currently enrolled in music theory courses and having played multiple instruments for almost 17 years,i can confirm that this guest doesn't know anything about music. He's also using talking points i've heard growing up trying to mask racism with logic about how some music is arbitrarily superior,and i don't throw the racism card lightly. Him not liking rap alone wouldn't make him a racist but the way he defends himself leads me to believe he's delusional and it pains him to admit contributions african-americans made to the overall culture of america.
This guy had no clue what anyone in America listed to in any era, including the present somehow.
“This guy has no clue.” End the sentence there; nothing more needs to be said. That’s the totality of the profile for these fringe dimwits.
He unironically needs to log off and touch grass. His views seem to not have any basis in the reality me, the people I know, and y'all experience.
Mayo’s struggle to describe or give examples of American culture was genuinely disheartening. The questions asked were very spot on.
“What questions would you ask someone in a room to identify their nationality/cultural background?”
The first one that comes to my mind is what state are you from? Each state has a culture that differs from things such as music and art to what are their laws and values.
Some easy questions for any common American is:
1) what sports do you like or dislike?
2) what kind of car do you have?
3) what kind of beer do you like?
- apparently Americans are infamous for being monolingual so you could ask, which language(s) do you know?
3) who do you think is an overrated pop star?
4) how much money have you spent on Disney products?
The sorts of questions I imagine you ask a rich person:
1) how do like your steak?
2) what news do you consume regularly?
Anyways, Mayo comes off as a white nationalist when his go to description of American culture was a political and religious one. Go to town Templar Knight.
RIGHT IN MY FEEEEED
was waiting for this to be uploaded, and it's right as i get to work slightly tipsy ready for 8 hours of youtube. based august
Why does everyone on the right lie so confidently over pointless shit. Reminds me of that girl he debated a couple days ago that said she had a masters in behavioral economics and couldn't even explain what her study was on.
“Uhhhh yeah, mumble rap SUCKS and Beethoven is BASED.” What a meme.
Destiny has talked to Miyo twice and both times Destiny has made him look like an idiot. Next time they talk, Miyo's time as a debater will be over.
How can one guy claim to know so much about music but actually understands so little. I lost some brain cells listening to this
Even improv in Jazz has structure. Solos have beginnings and endings, most solos take place on top of predefined chords/rhythms/tempos, and professional musicians have a goal for their solos so much so that you can clearly hear the difference between Coltrane and Sonny Rollins. Some critics of Jazz go so far as to say that Jazz is overly structured and that the apparent freedom of Jazz improv is an illusion (Adorno’s On Jazz), which isn’t that crazy to say when you search “the lick“ on RUclips and understand that a lot of professional Jazz improvisation is the result years of thought about what to play, practicing what to play, BORROWING from other musicians, and fitting all of that work into a pre-established idiom, which results in something that sounds improvised, but is actually very safe to do; kind of like a magician sawing a “stranger“ in half. I don’t personally believe this btw.
Debate panel where the left wing host is a far-right groyper
As someone with a master's in music, this was incredibly entertaining.
Oh you have a masters in music? Name every musician
Old-time, roots, NA folk, Appalachian, and mountain music styles are decidedly Americana. Jazz, blues, country, rock, punk, hip hop, techno, are all evolutionarily logical pursuits of both building on tradition and divergence.
Music, food, language; culture is fluid and dynamic. The influence of good ideas break barriers and build bridges with 2 way streets
dope
I'm absolutely confident I have more in common culturally with a middle-class student from Boston (as a Brit) than they would have with some 60 year old retired miner from Virginia. There is no unifying "American" culture that this guy is appealing to. The same is almost certainly true with an Indian student too.
@Bubba the Black Jesuit not true lol
it doesnt appear to be doing a good idea
"people dont listen to rock music any more"
The Internet (specifically youtube/instagram) has been huge for guitar in general.
I think it is just not on the pop stations as much as it once was.
Who were these media companies that brought rap to the masses? Were they the major labels? Or were they the independent labels that were created by black people and Jews because none of the existing big labels would touch them (and only recently has rap been acceptable to the mainstream labels)
THIS. Rap for the longest time was seen as dirty and no-one would touch them.
@@albar428
I mean anyone who really thinks that rap was a… socially acceptable genre within the music world in the 80s or 70s are just lying. And it is lying because they either must know what they are saying is factually inaccurate or they didn’t even bother to do basic research because simple, basic research is all that is needed to demonstrate both black and white America’s hostility to rap (with the manifestations being of different types and degrees). If basic research is the only thing that is required to find out information, and you did not do the research and are saying the opposite of that information, you are lying. The 90s is when rap first really become acceptable but it wasn’t until the early 2000s that rap really broke through.
Rap music basically willed itself into popularity IN SPITE OF the institutions that JQers like Striker and this dude talk about NOT BECAUSE OF THEM
As someone who took literally one music class in college, this dude broke my brain
Literally same 😂 he’s talking all this talk about “high culture music” and doesnt even know that Baroque music at the time had a ton of improv. I learned that in a 200 level music course. He coulda learned that with literally 10 minutes of reading on the genre
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-gay
-racist
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im an anime fan :(