PROBLEM IS THE OCCUPATION! Destiny Forces Concessions In Heated 1v2 Debate
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Date: 5 Dec, 2023
Vaush Gets Away w/ Wild Arguments In Israel Debate, Triggers Destiny
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Vaush Gets Away w/ Wild Arguments In Israel Debate, Triggers Destiny
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1:02:19 Khaled Kabub (Arabic: خالد كبوب, Hebrew: חאלד כבוב, born 1958) is an Israeli-Arab judge. Kabub was appointed in 2022 at the Supreme Court of Israel becoming its first Muslim member to be permanently appointed (Abdel Rahman Zuabi was briefly a justice in 1999 on a temporary appointment).[1]
1:02:19 (Arab) Judge Who Convicted(former PM) Moshe Katsav Joins Race for Supreme Court Seat "Tel Aviv District Court Judge George Karra, who headed the panel that convicted former President Moshe Katsav, is joining the race for the Supreme Court." Haaretz by Tomer Zarchin Dec 1, 2011
An Arab judge doesn't get to head the panel that investigates, tries, convicts, and sentences a former PM of Israel for SA and then gets to run for Supreme Court in an apartheid state. Their arguments are BS.
@hijklmnopreaper 59:17 um.. his position is pretty clear. You just don't want to pay attention.
1:09:45 Article 23(excerpt) The obligation of a High Contracting Party to allow the free passage of the consignments indicated in the preceding paragraph is subject to the condition that this Party is satisfied that there are no serious reasons for fearing:
(a) that the consignments may be diverted from their destination,
(b) that the control may not be effective, or
(c) that a definite advantage may accrue to the military efforts or economy of the enemy through the substitution of the above-mentioned consignments for goods which would otherwise be provided or produced by the enemy or through the release of such material, services or facilities as would otherwise be required for the production of such goods.
The Power which allows the passage of the consignments indicated in the first paragraph of this Article may make permission conditional on the distribution to the persons benefited thereby being made under the local supervision of the Protecting Powers.
Such consignments shall be forwarded as rapidly as possible, and the Power which permits their free passage shall have the right to prescribe the technical arrangements under which such passage is allowed.
So ya... because they don't need to allow rockets or rocket parts in. They aren't obligated to.
@hijklmnopreaper ok. So it's not that you misunderstood. It's that you i think a quip that inaccurately misrepresents his position is more useful than properly repressing his position. Gotcha.
Using the parlance of the person you're debating "for the sake of argument" isn't the same as him agreeing with the characterization.
The dude saying this is the worst thing since WW2 just displays such an absurd amount of historical ignorance, it’s hard to put into words.
Almost as bad as his haircut
I guess you could say its the worst action by a US ally backed by the US since then, but then we might be a little over generous qualifying it that much.
@@CarbonAtom14 I mean haven't we literally done invasions ourselves? We've started wars lol I think that's worse than giving people arms
@@TR13400 So we did F up alot of places, but we are looking that those actions from a historical perspective which we cannot compare yet to an ongoing event. The rate Israel is destroying infrastructure and kill is much faster than what we did. Also, I don't think we did a massive forced displacement of civilians. Could be wrong on that though.
@@CarbonAtom14 yes but I'm saying, those are actions by a complete other place and group of people. Vs. Actions where we actually got our hands dirty, and sent in troops.
Westerners and American “supporters” overusing the word genocide to the point where it loses all meaning challenge *impossible*
This is definitely an attempted genocide. There are no safe places for Gazans.
Just like how I'm pretty sure "Oligarch" was the most misused word last year, this year it'll be "genocide".
@@TyCook-s1c Or you just disagree because "HAMMASS" And people who use the word use it because it's ongoing.
I mean they are intentionally trying to drive out and murder a group of people because of their ethnicity. Kinda the literal definition of genocide
Israel vs Palestine came up at work today and I mentioned Destiny and my coworker said "who's she?", the meme became real life
😮😮😮😂😢😊✌️👍
Nice.
Careful homie. Politics, war, religion can/will get you in trouble at work if anybody ever feels any angst towards you.
I can't stop laughing
You're braver than most. Few topics are off-limits at work for many reasons. You'd think something as polarizing as Israel v hamas/Palestine would top that list.
Destiny, you forgot about the Trans genocide in 2022/2023
I wonder how many people who said there was a trans genocide also deny that Israel is doing a genocide in Gaza?
Lol.
LMAO
Dave Chappelle remembers, rip the GOAT.
Dave chappelle died?
"Worst thing since the Nazis" RWANDA???!?!?!?!?!?
There are so many examples of genocides or actions on the level of genocides that you have to be an American leftist to make that take, American because you over focus on wars the US have been in, leftist because you have a blind spot for everything done by people who aren’t white especially if they’re socialists.
Khmer Rouge
Srebrenica?
Kyle Kulinsky doesn't care about black people
Armenian Genocide??? Japanese occupations in WW2?????
The Rwandian genocide was carried out over roughly 4 months, makes it truly shocking in terms of how many were ruthlessly slaughtered with machetes in such a short time, easily one of the most horrific genocides in the history of humanity.
I just learned about a fucked up “factoid” about that genocide. Dogs in Rwanda got so used to eating all the dead bodies they developed at taste for humans and started getting aggressive. They had to shot a lot of the dogs and apparently (I ah ent fact checked this part) still today there are barely any dogs there. So yea fucked up.
Fire arms were used during the Rwandan genocide.
It was horrible indeed.Even with Auschwitz running at a maximum capacity of over 10K people a day to kill the Hungarian Jews in 1944 it pales in speed to the Rwandan killing which took place with machetes and iron bars.Perhaps there were greater slaughters in but up to 800,000 people were killed in 4 months
"This is why the youth are revolting"
Alright comrade.
The kids are always the target of the revolution
I agree, the youth are disgusting and nasty!
Easy to manipulate with pleas to emotion.
“target” lol, is it insane to you that young people want different stuff and old people want status quo, based entirely on the history of every human society ever? “the youth are ungrateful” “old people prevent so much progress” etc… Weve all been doing this forever and you’re like “THE REVOLUTION ALWAYS TARGETS THE CHILDREN” relax, its not that deep dumbass
@@NicheGreens Alphabet people, "modern feminism", all men bad and political correctness.
Combine that with a emotionally charged topic and some propaganda, and you have the perfect brainvirus.
@@NicheGreens and old people are easy to manipulate with fear to maintain status quo… almost like human beings are easy to manipulate overall, and once again idiots like you and michael get to feel like you’ve said something of value. Congrats columbo, you’ve uncovered human socialization! Youths are too bold and jump to conclusions, and old people are stagnant cowards! wow you guys have really figured it out! they’re targeting the kids cause im an adult and i could never be manipulated! geniuses
Kyle says this is the worst thing we've seen since the mid-20th-century german n-words is because he, like many other people, literally know only 2 things - what happened like 15 minutes ago, and mid-20th-century german n-words.
Meanwhile, in Sudan, thousands are being killed and over 5 million internially displaced and 1.4 million refugees.
Kyle does news opinion for a living, so it's a lot less excusable for him to have such an empty-headed take. Some things that happened after the Nazis: Hiroshima/Nagasaki (~200,000 dead all civilian 1945), Korean war (1950's ~3milion killed), Vietnam (1960s-70s ~2million killed), Khmer Rouge/Cambian Killing Fields (~1 million killed 1970s), Darfur (~400,000 killed circa 2000), Syrian Civil war (2010-20s ~300,000 killed, including gassing civilians with sarin), etc.
To compare this to the stuff that happenend in world war 2 is super out of touch. Both of my grandparents where like teenagers back then, and they have all permenant mental scars, and they where obvious the lucky once, since they wherent jewish, disabled or gay. And to say it was the worst, since then is so fucked up. I am 32 now, but I remember my history teacher telling about when he was in east timor and his friend got his head sliced off in front of him, because he was reporting the news. I am not saying what Isreal is doing is good, but its so dissrepectfull to all those people that died for no reason in other countries, in way larger amounts and through way worser methods.
@@chinchillatwitch7234 i agree that it is out of touch but there are certainly days in gaza that probably feel like ww2 for some of the people there. its so unique that almost no other world history event is appropriate to compare. Gaza is bad terrible place to live and maybe the worst place in the world to live but certain events of the last 50 years are way worse, i mean the great leap forward comes to mind..... the thing is these kids get told about this stuff but handwave it away
The German what words?
When someone talks normal English but says Gaza with a ethnic accent, u know ur in for some fun.
😂😂😂
"the worst thing we've seen since the Nazis!" ...
... wow, Pol Pot must be dancing in his grave thinking how he dodged that bullet
He dodged a lot of bullets I imagine. Dude lived till he was 72.
@@eli8444
Funny comment. Did exhale through my nose several times quickly.
ISIS would also not be happy
@@eli8444 He was rescued by the usurper Chairman Deng from China. Who declared war on Vietnam after Vietnam declared war and invaded Cambodia in full force as retaliation. US joined force with China and helped to bomb the Vietnam forces in Cambodia while China attacked with 200,000 soldiers directly into Vietnam main land while their soldiers were mostly away from the northern border. The Vietnam immediately re-establish the northern Viet-con forces (Who were mostly newly trained young soldiers, elderly, teens, and women) to hold back China's invading force.
The result was Vietnam victory (as they continued to occupy and govern Cambodia and rescued people) while a few Americans planes were down, and 25,000 Chinese soldiers died, 6,000 missing, and 35,000 wounded in action within the two weeks of war. Which called for the full retreat of the remaining forces.
its honestly so disgusting seeing 2 grown men attack and verbally assault a woman, i wish destiny the best
Verbally assault? Lol?
@@alig2472 amazin
@@alig2472 its a joke
You're being dramatic
its not like they occupied her
Watching Destiny unload in this argument after all the research is very satisfying
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@@aguspuig6615he splooged all over them
Research? Bruh what research did he use? Where are his sources?
@@blackjacka.5097 Almost all of his streams for the past 2 months. All the reading on the history of Israel and Palestine. You new to watching Destiny or something?
clown@@blackjacka.5097
Who was the first person who called this situation Apartheid? Because they instantly fucked up this entire conversation for everyone else.
Basically officials from SA that have lived under apartheid have said it. To be honest, I think the situation is much worse than apartheid but whatever, its just quibbling over terms and semantics.
It’s old Soviet propaganda that equated Israel with South Africa.
@@chrishekman6179worse?! Wtf
@@chrishekman6179It's not worse. Israel even consists of a large portion of Arabic people. The people in Gaza are not their problem.
@@PANDABOOM1 At least apartheid second class citizens is expected some legal protection from execution by militant settlers or IDF in general.
My favorite part of these debates is when an “ok” is thrown and these geniuses thought that meant they’d made a great point.
Winning! 😂😂😂
Gottem 😎
I mean if they are too dumb to realise, nothing much can be done.
These idiots are just so idiotically LOCKED IN there’s literally nothing Destiny can do for them, after disproving all their takes over 70 years wrong and wrong again..
LMAO....."Ok".... unsaid part...."..., dumbass"
Why the fuck would non-citizens have the same rights as citizens - anywhere? Is the suggestion that Gazans want to be Israeli citizens and be required to serve in the IDF?
They’re not supposed to, everyone with a minimum of double digit iq knows it.
They’re trying to create a moral equivalency to make Israel look bad and let the Palestinians have the moral high ground.
Almost, they want Israel to change its name to Palestine and give up the entire country they built because the savages can’t change
Because allowing people to be exploited in your own country is a really stupid idea. If you allow others to be exploited it means you have to compete with people who are exploited. EG if workers rights like workman's comp, OSHA regs, and overtime pay were not extended to workers on Visa's then companies would hire them instead of American citizens or American citizens would have to accept losing those provisions.
There is a reason that the US Bill of Rights applies to non citizens in the US.
@@chuckyxii10labor rights are not the same thing as civil or voting rights. Besides that Hamas used the work visas to gather info, Palestinians shouldn't work in Israel unguarded
08:50 to 10:32 It’s not antisemitism, it’s underdogism. Clueless activists will just blindly side with whoever they feel is weaker, no matter the behaviours and actions of the parties involved. It's the same reasoning that would put a man in jail if a women breaks a nail hitting him.
The whole reasoning is: A stronger than B therefore A is oppressor and B is victim.
Edit: added timestamps for context because for some reason any pro Palestinian person feels targeted by this 🤔... It says more about your state of mind tbh.
It's definitionally anti-semitism. They don't agree with their way of life as a people.
Part of it is campism (oppose whatever the US supports). Seeing how the US is the ultimate anti-underdog and has killed many multiple times as many this century and last (No joke like 100x as many), it's a little difficult to explain why ONLY Israel is the worst since the Nazis. Was Assad the underdog in Syria, so he gets a pass for literally gassing his civilians (sounds pretty Nazi)
I think a lot of people think Israel is the opressor because of all the opression they do - but that is just me i guess.
Golda Mayer was a "Palestinian. "
I would agree, if those same people didnt agree with Russia and China so much
"the colonial occupying genocidal apardheid regime..." this is gonna be very objective and factual, im sure of it. and not ideologically driven with totally brainwashed takes.
Don't forget ethnic cleansing
@@tsaageotrimm you are right. i thought that was implied by "genocidal" but now that you say that: no wonder kyle kulinski runs out of adjectives.
@@tsaageotrimmThey are ethnic cleansing.
@@ionutbalta6607If Israel’s goal was to ethnically cleanse or genocide Palestinians, they’re not doing a very good job.
@@tsaageotrimmIt definitely seems like an ethnic cleansing. At least in the West Bank.
The part at 45 minutes where he is giving a definition and Destiny says "that definition encompasses a lot of stuff you think it shouldn't!" and the guy says "no it doesn't because to be apartheid you also need x y and z" and then destiny says "do you want to add those to your definiton of apartheid" and the guy says "no! apartheid is just my original definition!" is frustrating.
My grandpappy always said when it comes to sailing, if you ain't a part of the current, you're a part of the tide.
What's frustrating is Stephen's denial of the possibility of Apartheid existing.
1:00:40
So in Steven's mind in apartheid is impossible.
A conquered territory can only either be occupied or annexed to Destiny's mind.
Booth statuses, which in Destiny's mind, negate the possibility of Apartheid.
If it's a military occupation then his argument is _"of course they're treated under apartheid conditions it's a military occupation but it's not apartheid unless they're part of the same country"._
But if the annex the territory into their own country, then in Stephen's mind, _" well if a country Annex a territory they have to give complete and total equal rights and citizenship to all of the people of that territory otherwise no annex possible!_
So did Stephen Destiny Bunnell an apartheid is impossible because the two statuses that in territory can be under it's impossible in his mind for that territory to contain apartheid conditions.
That's really weird destiny. I'll go ahead and stick with international law and the International Community as far as what is and is not apartheid. thank you.
@@darrene.vonbraun4421 You got the first part right. Conquered territory is either controlled, but not part of your country (occupied), or it's controlled, and a part of your country (annexed)
The 2nd part you get him wrong 180 degrees.
If it's an occupation, you'd never expect equal rights or treatment, there's a reason they have to occupy the territory (whether u find it just or not) and this is true for literally every single conquest in the history of literally ever.
If you annex the territory, there's no magical "and suddenly everyone got equal rights". Destiny's point is literally that if you keep "apartheid conditions" in the area you annexed, that would be fair to call Apartheid.
so it's not "otherwise no annex is possible", it's "otherwise, you'd have apartheid". Which renders the rest of your rant entirely pointless as you missed the point of the whole debate.
When it comes to the "what if u just don't give the citizenship?". Well, you can't make people stateless, and the world would never accept Israel just make everyone stateless, but let them live in Israel as a lower caste. Even if Israel officially claimed they did, the whole world would treat them as if those people were still Israeli citizens, rendering the whole hypothetical impossible. If you're a dual citizen, you can much more easily be stripped of a particular citizenship, so any Syrian-Israeli then would be a lot easier to strip of the israeli citizenship and deport them back to syria, depending on the rules established, at which point it's no different from other foreigners. There is no right to stay in a foreign country, that's a privilege and if any country goes "we don't accept people from X country" that's allowed, and current practice in a lot of the world, particularily the middle east.
@@darrene.vonbraun4421 you're so close to getting the point lmao. The point is that:
unequal treatment + occupation = standard occupation, and
unequal treatment + annexed territory = apartheid.
And his conclusion is that Israel would not maintain those conditions post annexation.
Apartheid is just used as a buzzword! It means nothing and just takes from the situation in SA. But they do not care as they need all the attention.
It's probably not even the worst thing happening right now, let alone since the nazis.
Alright I'm giving you the gold star of the comments, this guy gets it
pretty messed up that destiny expected this guy to know definitions of the words he's using with such authority 🙅🏽♀
Took me a while to realize most people are actually dumb as f*ck
The answer he gave was segregated populations, subjected to different laws, afforded different rights and subjected to different living condition, with one of those populations being discriminated against. Now look up the crime of Apartheid. He was right that those are the foundational elements of apartheid and he was right that there is a more exhaustive list of "inhumane acts" that can also be a part of apartheid.
@@hijklmnopreaper U should too
The apartheid argument falls apart due to the fact that there are Arab citizens of Israel right now with equal rights.
@@politics_clips_factoryArab Israelis have equal rights. The separation is based on security not prejudice of a race. Thats why the term is annacurite, stupid, and a manipulative attempt to misdiagnose and confuse the core of the problem
By the definition 1. separated by walls, 2. subject to different laws/living conditions and 3. different rights, any two different countries with a border is apartheid. So I guess if you see Norway and Russia together in context, both countries are apartheid states because they have different living conditions, a border and different laws.
I wish people would just be honest about this conflict instead of exaggerating every claim to the point of laughability. This is awful, death and war is a horrible reality. That doesnt make this a genocide.
Just mortys killing mortys
What makes it a genocide is the overall plan of removing Palestinians from Gaza (and West bank). You don't have to kill every individual person for it to be a genocide. If you kill 100,000 and the remaining 1.9 million all flee and can never return to the region, that's still a genocide.
@@austinmatthews361 😂
@R-502 100%
Exactly.
I stopped making strong statements on geopolitics when i realized i was just as dumb and uniformed as everyone else 😂
I just don't give a shit. Too many nut jobs running around claiming to know the answers. "Shut up and dribble" applies.
just like almost everyone, but they will never realise.
Dunning-krug 👌
Base
The stupidity of saying this is the worst thing since the Nazi's shaws such a lack of understand of world events it boggles the mind.
NO REALITY BEFORE TIC TOC
Destiny honestly just needs to start kicking people who wont answer simple yes/no questions.
Unfortunately the opposition would take that as a W
When you ask a 40 iq, uninformed question, the answer is rarely yes/no.
@macdeluxe733 When you view the world through a simple 40iq, ideological lense you don't realize that the problem is not having a more nuanced answer than "yes or no"
They don't give a nuanced answer to the question asked, they completely avoid the question asked and start shadowboxing with the worst faith interpretations they can come up with
@@macdeluxe733what question was uninformed?
@@Whymakemesignuptothiswebsite He won't reply, and if he does, it will be something along the lines of "All of them" or "It's obvious". Meaning there wasn't an uninformed question, the answer just goes against his ideology so he won't acknowledge it as valid.
By this definition, all Muslim nations engage in Apartheid against other religious groups, America was once an Apartheid state, China is currently an Apartheid state, the Caste System in India is an Apartheid state, etc etc
@@theGefilteFistThen who cares about the word? If it literally just means the same as segregation or discrimination, why utilize the word with more emotional baggage
@@DavidJones-ot8qu*Because* it has emotional baggage. It provides extra leverage for the argument without the need for more validity.
@@dalodulo1373 Which is legit a thought killer, just unhelpful to anyone literally ever
@@DavidJones-ot8qu Agreed.
ur comitting to presentism
His definition of an aparteid means South Africa wasn't one😂 it could also apply to South Korea and North Korea. Seperate populations, walls between, different laws. They're different countries, but thar was never required.
That's right, North Korea is Apartied against South Koreans because they control their border and don't allow south Korean Cookies into the North.
I love when the intro teases what I'm going to see in the next 30 seconds.
The islamists have sparked a big number of these genocides.
This is not hyperbole... It is a fact that not many want to discuss.
We have the information and access to history, yet few care to look for it.
“iTz jUsT liKe tHe nAzIs”
What people hate about Apartheid is the racist aspect, the distinction in Israel is not based on race.
And in Israel there are Arabic people which have full rights. The people Gaza aren't part of Israel.
"worst thing we've seen since the Nazi's" my god this guy must live in a cave.
It's a meme these days. If you reference the Nazis you're automatically big brain and must be right
Could also be he's legally blind and does not know yet.
Thank you Destiny for addressing this. As a South African who was affected by apartheid I am so tired of the reappropriation of my lived experience on Israel. Israel has its own history and events unique to her. STOP slapping labels on things and calling it what ever you want because you are too lazy to come up with your own definitions or you think by using a loaded word like Apartheid will garner more sympathy. It's pathetic . Yes we can draw similar experiences across historical events. But that's like calling a cat a dog because they are both domesticated.
Well said. Totally agree.
Lmao, it's declared so by scholars and even by ur very own nelson mendela, sit down. UN recognizes the oppression there but won't do nothing about it bc of US.
It's like saying that The south African apartheid was like the Nazis because both restricted inter-racial sex. It's just wrong usage of words
Nazis were the Nazis.
Apartheid was apartheid.
And the Israeli-Palestine conflict is the Israeli-Palestine conflict.
@@yossibtk ur logic is fallacious, if u meet the conditions of an apartheid, then that's what's taking place on the ground period. Using an example of a system with a people's ideology is so silly. It's genocide by geneva's own definition, South africans have described the plight of the palis being worse.
@@WeAreGhuraba If this is Genocide then how come the population since Israel gave Gaza back in 2005 has increased by 1M ?
Destiny is right, it's obvious apartheid and occupation are two different things. They may have similar results (one group being treated differently to another group within a geographical area), but they are caused by different factors, one a political system and one a result of war. Therefore, the solution to either are going to be different.
SA wasnt created through peace. Both were results of war. SA and its predecessor states activally conquered the area and turned the non-white people into subjects. The fact that Israel doesnt claim the westbank as part of de jure Israel legally doesnt take away that they de facto control the westbank and its people indefinitly.
Apartheid is how women live in most of the middle east. Citizens, but with a different set of second class rights.
Even Benny Morris says the West Bank is apartheid
There are literally streets where Palestinians are not allowed to go on, how is that not an apartheid? It's not just an occupation they are literally being discriminated against.
I agree. I feel that the difference is them being under militaristic control being occupation vs governmental /political control being apartheid.
Destiny was completely accurate when he said "85 IQ dipshit"
He's quicker but stil after weeks of "research" he still doesn't understand basic facts of the situation like whether or not east Jerusalem is part of the West Bank lol
its 67.9 in gaza acually
That's because he lost every single point that was raised in this video, so he thought insulting would help him. This is an indicator of losing debates which I don't expect you to be aware of anyway.
Lol@@besherhamad2462no. Islam is the problem.
One hour into this, and they are still talking about their right to scream apartheid with no basis and win an argument.
Nevertheless, this guy won every single argument he raised and Destiny panicked and lost his cool throughout the debate. Not to worry though, muppets like you and the 150 kids who liked your comment will always have Destiny's back, regardless of how objectively ignorant of the situation he sounded in this video.
@@besherhamad2462I didn't know we were copy pasting insignificant insight and using them as arguments, good to know
I read your comment and wondered to myself how this guy can be so detached from reality.
Then I noticed your name.@@besherhamad2462
"Worst thing since the Nazis"
That's the whitest take I've ever heard
Facts
I’m so dumb but what does that phrase even mean?
Lmao and what if he was a Jew making that point ? 🤡 calling him white doesn’t make it "I got you" moment.
It's hard to tell if these guys are bad faith or just ideologically compromised.
Yes
Destiny is the definition of ideologically compromised
@@18andcloudyhow?
At least destiny doesn't just balme isreal, hamas literally gets billions from the arab world. Instead of helping its people they use all the money to buy Rockets and hide in hospitals and schools.
@Distantdistress Don't expect an explanation.
All they can do is lame ad homs.
Does the "Apartheid" in Israel also apply to Palestinians with Israeli citizenship? - No. Does the "Apartheid" apply to Palestinians with Israeli citizenship when they travel into the west bank? - No. Is a non Israeli Palestinian, that has a permit to enter Israel, required to sit at the end of the bus, or is restricted from going to an "Israeli" restaurant, Israeli Hospital, Israeli beach etc? - No. The Apartheid in South Africa was a system that made non white citizens a 2nd class citizen. It was race based. The Israeli "Apartheid" has nothing to do with race, it is only for security reasons.
THIS, dear God. I'm so happy someone else gets it
lol you’ve admitted there’s apartheid but for "security reasons". As if that justifies apartheid. Nice job.
@@az6802admitting that there are security concerns raises the question of from whom. If only they could trust the Palestinians to not attack or send rockets for more than five years.
@@hermithefrog629 rockets aren’t coming from the West Bank genius
Why do ppl keep ignoring that apartheid was giving a minority all the power? What's that got to do with Israel?
Well it's the 2 classes of citizens that people have a problem with. Same with segregation where the majority was getting the benefits. Although if you want to get pedantic, Jews are still a minority in the wider Arab region and were a even minority in the Palestine region when they first got a state. They just did a good job ethnically cleansing the Arabs and bringing Jews form abroad in to change the demographics.
@@pdpgbthey were the majority in the areas that were given to them by partition in 1948 before the nakba. That was the reason the borders were so whacky, with Israel essentially being three strips, two connected by a tiny isthmus and a third separated by a tiny (Arab) isthmus
@@pdpgbJews never ethnically cleansed Arabs, Christians did. Do the Crusades ring a bell to you? (Tbf, they were done in defense of Jews, pagans, atheists, Zoroastrians, and any faiths that didn't want to be killed by Muslims)
@@jogiff You're looking at the specific areas they settled, not the overall territory of Palestine/modern day Israel. in 1948 they made up 33% of the population but were given 53% of the land.
Also the way those 33% got there was not without mass violence either. The entire story of them peacefully settling until all the mean Arabs started attacking them for no reason is a complete lie.
@@pdpgb the 53% was minus 3/4ths (Jordan)
Apartheid is a way for people to accuse Israel as racist and by that rebuttal the antisemitism claims, saying Israel is as racist as they are.
Israel is racist tho
Israel literally has a right of return for Jews only which is about as racist as state policy comes. Imagine a US politician saying there should be an immigration policy to favor white Christian Europeans. Do you think they might be called racist?
It actually is a vehicle to sneak in a call for genocide. Apartheid only makes sense if they are citizens of the same country. The "from the river to the sea" people see Israel as an illegal occupation of the whole territory, they want to destroy the nation and murder its people. Calling it Apartheid legitimizes their view that Israel does not really exist as a separate entity and that it should be destroyed. That's the purpose and why the Palestinians are saying it. Always remember that everything Palestinians do is to further their genocidal aims, it is all they are.
Destiny always says that fans cultivated by political RUclipsrs generally reflect the rhetoric espoused by the RUclipsrs themselves and looking at this comment section (exemplified by this one), this is absolutely true. What a joke of a Destiny arc this is. I have lost most respect I had for him.
@@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 I’ve listened to destiny since 2020. I think he’s probably one of the best political commentators on the internet. But I agree with your position. He’s completely lost on this issue. Idk why and all his followers will argue to the death defending this position. It’s really not that hard to tell what’s happening in Israel. Solving the problems in Israel, well that’s another story.
It's the bigotry of low expectations. "White" people are expected to act better.
Yeah that's the perfect kind of racism. Bravo
I do hate that concept, the "soft bigotry of low expectations". No, it's the hard bigotry of shitting on whites.
Today I learned that according to this guy the US was an apartheid state until 1964
I mean, certain states were. Apartheid is basically just the Afrikaans translation for segregation, I think.
@@jogiff I like how this dude really thought that pointing out Jim Crow would be considered apartheid, a very obvious and defensible argument, as some kind of gotcha.
Jim Crowe laws and Native American reservations are worse than Apartheid ever was. We never owned human beings, Americans did
lol. it was pretty damn close in some states.
im sure 1963 Mississippi was a friendly place for all. everyone had the same rights. and nobody was concerned about ur race 😭
the literal Apartheid Museum in South Africa has a whole thing about Jim Crow in America and the similarities between em. U grow up in the south or something?
@@deeepdale I'm the most South you can imagine...Africa. Similarities do not definitions make, friend
It's always so insane to me that there are people (usually Americans and Western Europeans) who genuinely believe that the Holocaust was the last (and usually also the single worst) genocidal event humanity took part in. No, my friends. Genocide is an eerily commonplace human behavior. What's happened to the Palestinians is awful, but let's not conflate that with a genocide.
Nothing you said substantiated that last sentence. That’s quite literally just an opinion. Genocide studies aren’t a hard science, but the majority of genocide scholars and holocaust scholars believe that Israel’s actions in Gaza could be classified as a genocide. Just because you say something is true it doesn’t mean it’s the case. Destiny always says trust the experts yet when the experts disagree with him he decides to sell out. I also wonder why Destiny didn’t cover the story on NYT and CNN that says that Israel was aware of Hamas’ attack for over a year. Maybe he doesn’t want his audience to know that?
@@mrmoonlight1001 yep go ahead call anything genocide, if someone looked at you wrong- then maybe it's a microgenocide against you. After all who could ever say what that is
@@mrmoonlight1001which scholars?
@@mrmoonlight1001nothing he said is linked to that last sentence at all. He didn't try to substantiate, it's 2 different points.
@@mrmoonlight1001woah bud I’ve lightly engaged with the scholarly content on genocide and human rights abuses. There’s definitely not a consensus that what is going on in Israel as genocidal. Under the strictest definition of genocide there have only ever been 3 genocides, the Holocaust, Rwanda, and Yugoslavia. Under the loosest and most inclusive definition there have been about 120.
As for Jericho wall, that doesn’t mean what you think it means. That’s like saying the FBI knew about some guys in Florida that weren’t concerned with learning how to land a plane in 2001.
47:24 so jews are also in apartheid, not allowed on temple mount in areas of the west bank, and are obligated to serve in the military.
1:11:30 the Palestinians have never made concessions, they were offered a two state solution repeatedly, but fought wars for the entire territory, lost every war, and were claiming the pre-war status quo of that time. Israel on the other hand DOES NOT have to make concessions since they were attacked and won those wars, like what is he talking about: "I will fight you for everything ... hmm I lost, but you have to give me a deal as if we were here and now negotiating BEFORE the war."
if who wins wars wins the land, this war will never end cuz palestenains will keep waging the war till they get the land back. you didnt say some profound shit like you seem to think you do.
then pallys will have nothing@@samuraijosh1595
@@samuraijosh1595maybe someday they will love their children more than they love some lifeless patch of land
@@hermithefrog629 same goes for 👃
Imagine losing a debate to a girl
Couldn't be me. (Haven't talked to a girl in five years)
@@ignotuscapillary8313baaaaaased
@@ignotuscapillary8313dodging girls like neo
Girl power ✊
@@ignotuscapillary8313those are rookie numbers you gotta pump those numbers up
"This was literally the stated goal in every single conflict."
"That doesn't matter."
...day 34 without being able to find a single pro Palestine voice that isn't arguing in bad faith...
Did Kyle overlook Rwanda?
@Roniixx Holodomor, China, Kyle's wrong on hilarious orders of magnitude.
How are these kids okay with terrorists. They didnt grow up with the fear of being blown up. Thats how. They literally have been handed everything. Heres a medal for showing up today jimmy and sarah.
The leaders for terorrist groups usualy comes form afluent families, that lived a priviliged lifes.
Wouldnt this logic imply that spoiled rich kids are more likely to align with terrorists?
@@Grubiantollthe leaders of anything tend to be wealthy, to be fair
No one in the developed world since the 60's has grown up with the fear of being blown up. So would you also apply your logic to anyone under the age of 50?
I haven't forced anyone out of their home or created any enemies, I don't need to fear "terrorism". Conservatives like you are full of fear and because of it have caused so much suffering in the world.
I think Destiny missed the point here, which is rare. The real problem with "Apartheid" is that it's a loaded term. And the whole reason it's loaded is because of racism. It basically describes systematic racism against people living in your country. This is why it doesn't work in this situation. It's very similar to using the word "Genocide". When people say it, they mean the extermination of a nation or a race, which again doesn't apply. People keep bending these words to work with their narratives because they know they are inflammatory, and that is the real problem.
And the term "terrorist" is a loaded term that doesn't even have a legal agreed upon definition and yet ppl throw it around willy nilly and no one bats an eyelash. OTOH these terms have both legal and technical meanings. We can walk you through both of these things and show you why it applies and help you out if you're interested.
What you're doing is saying "look it vaguely doesn't sound right to me, therefore I reject the conclusion outright as just crazy lefty hysteria and save myself having to do the hard work and see if these terms actually apply". Do you see the problem here?
@@hansfrankfurter2903 I didn't say it "vaguely doesn't sound right", the way the word is perceived by the public is blatantly at odds with reality. When people say "Apartheid," they think of systematic racism, the government giving rights according to race, this is why the word is loaded, not because of some vague UN definition. Israel is 20% Palestinian, they have equal rights, they can vote, they have representatives in the Israeli parliament and the Supreme Court, and they were even members of the last Israeli government. Systematic racism goes right out of the window at this point. As for the West Bank and Gaza, they have their own governing bodies, their own judicial systems, and their own police. You can definitely say that Israel controlling the occupied territories and applying rules to them is wrong, but none of this even remotely resembles South Africa and what people think when they say "Apartheid".
@@LKJKSLDJ UN definition is vague? hahahah this immediately disqualifies anything else you have to say. You realize that this is the same UN that Zionists love to bust our balls about how it "gave them the right to exist" by an international vote.
Have fun being an idiot!
being a woman, destiny knows what being discriminated systemically against actually means
Destiny: "You can't resolve conditions without resolving the occupation."
Caller: "I don't understand your point"
Jesus Christ. The US education system is a miserable failure
Would you consider Afghans and Iraqis under apartheid during US occupation? Apartheid is a choice of the occupier.
Ending the occupation is a long term goal though and in the mea time Israel could make life less miserable for Palestinians if they just ended the apartheid in the West Bank and pulled back settlers? I don't see how people like Destiny don't get that.
@@hijklmnopreaper Destiny is much better than most pro-Israel commentators but he's still a bit bad faith about it and I think its because of the obnoxious optics of the pro-Palestine progressive faction. He seems committed to nitpicking them and in bad faith at times as well but understandable since progressives were much worse with him. Still disappointing as a fan even if understandable.
... dude, no.
Apartheid isn't a thing you get up and "do" to someone.
It was a specific period in history that is **literally** behind us.@@nut913
@@hijklmnopreaper Progressives went from somewhere between Biden and Bernie, all the way over to Maoist pro USSR tankies in his vocab. Same with "lefties."
He is so anal about separating "neo nazi" from "alt right" from "groyper" from "q-anon" from "magat" from "neo-con" from "tea partier" from "traditional republican" But it feels like he has completely collapsed that understanding for anything left of being a Moderate Dem.
Israeli Arabs have full rights In Israel. STOP GASLIGHTING Israelies.
Way to gloss over Rwanda or the Khmer Rouge, Kyle. At the very least you'd think these would have popped into his smug brain. Wasn't aware of the other atrocities Destiny brought up, but yup those definitely eclipse what's going on in Israel, not to diminish the horror of it. I personally have yet to pick sides in this conflict as I think it is more complicated than the pundits would have you believe. The most I can find myself committing to is that the death of these non-combatants particularly the kids is heartbreaking and that definitely needs to stop.
The only correct side to pick is Israel, if only for the reason that they are the only side you *can* convince to behave reasonably and meaningfully influence with carrots and sticks. The government of palestine and the majority of the palestinian people who support them can't even be convinced to behave in their own long term self interest, let alone behave *ethically*. Even if you want to "support palestine", you're going to have to subvert their will and self determination to do it (without buying into the river to sea genocidal ambitions).
@@rocketrelm1125 You are not going to bully me into picking your side with some BS justification, as if the Palestineans are incapable of being negotiated with. In fact, in times it would appear that one side was more willing to deal than other -- it just depends on who the partner is.
@@misanthropicmusings4596 Israel has always been open to real peace talks the PLO agrees takes the territory and then breaks the peace deal
The occupied territories aren't recognized as Israel by anyone...including Israel. Its a disputed, unrecognized land.
Destiny, you are wrong asf bro. Lol
no he is actually extremely on point when it comes to this conflict
@marcpalaci9224 I'm in the first half. So far, he has a senseless and wild take on this.
@@michaelmaddox2536 what exactly do you disagree with him on? Occupation vs Apartheid? If so i personally think that whole convo is irrelevant anyways. I just meant his take on the conflict as a whole.
@@marcpalaci9224"no actually 🤓" no he sounds like an uninformed dummy for the most part. A pawn for propoganda
@ 34:19. The allied powers occupied Germany for 44yrs. They had a wall separating the two occupied zones and everything for that entire period with east and west Germans having separate laws.
West Germany was not a military occupation for 44 years. Please.
@@WoodEe-zq6qvNot under occupation but heavily influenced, threatened and monitored. The German scare is Just calming down the last 30 years
you conflate the occupation of Germany itself with the occupation of Berlin
@@WoodEe-zq6qv East Germany was. The population was separated until the "allied" powers agreed they could reunite.
@@fixpontt no I didn't. I didn't say America occupied Germany. I said the allied powers did. That was America, UK, France, and Russia.
This was a stupid argument. I don't know what Destiny's real point was here.
Apartheid is something a country does to *their own citizens.* That's about it
The lady in the beginning needs to get real with her followers. You know who fought and died for their independence and sovereignty? Israel. She should be telling her groupies to definitely go over there and fight for Gaza. I mean they believe in it just as much as the Israelis who died fighting for the last 80 years right? They should of course show their full support by helping Gaza do the same. 👍
So the US occupied Iraq and Afghanistan for nearly 20 years. It had different rules for the locals and coalition members. They were separated living in different areas, with the coalition members generally having the nicer ones.
Would this guest consider this apartheid?
Yeah
Damn kyle, that was an easily debunked case. Guess everyone’s just grifting hard now for clicks.
Kyle has lost his mind on this conflict. Idk what happened.
This has shades of the Rittenhouse arc. Destiny is taking a principled stand that is counter to the lefts. It's good to have a variety of views, I just wish we focused on solutions.
Wdym, I see a lot of people hinting towards some kinda final solution, unironically. Truly seems to be their personal struggle of sorts.
It's hilarious that ok symbol shit was a troll on 4 Chan and the culties not only believed it but aggressively pushed it and enforced punishment for using it haha
It's because they're self-aware that their victimhood gives them power. They'll gladly accept anything that they can claim offends them; they feed off it.
@@Arphemius Truly a fascinating way to gain power. Through weakness. At least, through perceived weakness. I guess this could only happen in an environment where weakness, or to be more precise, victimhood status, is rewarded.
@@WanderTheNomad Exactly, it's because of the confluence of pathological altruism as a virtue and the power dynamics of identity politics. The "strong should serve the weak" and who is weak is defined by whose group is doing worse. The perfect breeding ground for crybullies, because if you can convince people, by whatever means, that you're the one in the inferior position, you can attack the ones "above" you with impunity.
Social dominance hierarchies in the bizarro world that is this society.
I was asking for one of those little packages of butter at work and was struggling to find the word for it so I did the hand symbol trying to make the circular shape and the cook said "Woah don't do that hand symbol it's racist. Trust me look it up." The guy is like 60 lol.
@@WanderTheNomadthe enemy must be all powerful and subhuman at the same time.
2:00 I love how Henry Kissinger was a direct actor in most of those genocides. East Timor, Bengali, Indonesian…
Ah yes America bad cia bad. Such a brave and smart take
Dam that random dude rolled destiny
Totally failed, actually Destiny disassembled their every claim. Can you point out a timestamp where they "rolled" Destiny?
@@iamthat787The whole thing, destiny even got to the point of yelling and name calling a few times "85 iq dipshit", and go find your own timestamps nerd I got shit to do
Destiny takes issue with apartheid because it’s not the root cause that needs addressed. It’s a morally loaded word that is overused.
And doesn't technically apply, because gazans aren't Israeli citizens, so by definition, they can't discriminate against their own citizens along religious or racial lines ans have that apply to gazans, because they aren't citizens.
This shit is so simple, why do they have to cling to the easiest to disprove slogans, using so much energy on insisting it's apartheid etc, when there are genuinely complex issues that need the air time and detailing.
@@RS-fy9hb
It doesn't apply in the Gaza Strip and Area A, but can theoretically apply in Areas C and B.
But then again it's come to Destiny's point; has ever a conquered area had its people have fully democratic citizen rights?
@@akuost I'm not really caught up, but to my knowledge, the only thing people are concerned about in the popular media, is the gaza strip, and with the blockade affecting mostly Gaza, that's also why they're referring to Gaza as an open air prison with apartheid conditions.
I'm not totally aware of the situations that couldn't be covered with the fact that the people of these conquered territories aren't citizens. I don't really have time to watch the vods of Destiny researching, so I only catch the more popular glimpses, and arguments between people on this issue (This results in an awkward situation where I know talking points and arguments, but not a great deal of history or context). Is Israel claiming a territory's people as citizens, that they've conquered, but not granting full rights?
@@RS-fy9hb Gaza in no way can be considered apartheid, they have their own jurisdiction, army, elections, and borders with Egypt.
@@akuost Yeah, whoch was why the dispute over whether it was apartheid or not seemed so incredibly stupid and a waste of time and energy to me. It isn't helping their case to muddy the waters, so they should be clearing up what's happening. But I guess they're too ideologically obsessed with the idea of what's going on, so they can't ruin the illusion of the situation that's in their mind, because then they lose a lot of vitriol and justification to call the west imperialists and they don't get to conflate capitalism and western values with some nebulous umbrella term that is causing suffering in gaza at the moment.
It’s been beautiful watching Destiny evolve on this issue, very impressive. He’s final boss status now
You’re a 🤡 😊
Can anyone show me one Muslim country where Jews are not in a system of apartheid?
Sweden
@@xbabu142x isn’t Sweden the OG of hating Jews?
The issue with apartheid is that it implies a one state solution. Also this guy's 56 years is not even true, Israel willingness to make Palestine a separate state was there in Oslo II and the Palestines didn't take It.
It gave Israel annexation of parts of the WB and still would've maintained military control over the rest. Palestinians would still be at the mercy of a foreign military for freedom of movement of goods/people. If you were Palestinian, you would've rejected it as well, because it changed nothing on the ground.
@@ssj4punkrocker I disagree. It does change a lot when you're willing to negotiate, Oslo II was a start. Camp David was even more generous in terms of land and Palestinians still rejected It. And I don't even know under what grounds I as a Palestinian would reject any of those deals, It's preferable to be treated as a nation even a beaten down nation than whatever the fuck they're right now.
If Palestinians accepted Oslo II or Camp David and stopped doing terrorism the international pressure over their treatment would weight over Israel. As of right now they're just seeing as people that are not welcomed anywhere, with no government and with dwindling support from anyone but terrorist groups.
@@Keviamaya It wasn't a generous offer, that's the myth. All that would've changed on the ground, was Palestine was now officially a state recognized by Israel, but still with Palestine's borders both internally & externally controlled by a foreign military.
pre-lude to both I and II, reiterated going back to the 67 borders. Israel puts forth contrary absurd proposals to annex parts of the west bank and control the remainder + the jordan valley. Which will obv will be rejected.
If the Israelis were serious about peace, they wouldn't be kicking people out of private property, bulldozing down homes and annexing territory, because the occupants were the wrong ethnic/religious category. It's Israel confiscating private property, murdering people to build lebensraum for the "chosen race of god".
If the Israelis can: Egypt, Gaza, Lebanon, why not the west bank as well? They want all of it, that's why. Same with Gaza. Same with EJ. All the territory designated for a future palestinian state.
@@ssj4punkrockerI could be speaking from ignorance but something deep inside just tells me that there has to be a better solution than terrorism and endless death and destruction.
@@TR13400 I agree, but it's the Israelis who hold all the leverage and have no incentive to negotiate in good faith. And have proven time and time again, they don't want to negotiate for peace/palestinian state, they want to drag it out as much as they can so they can slowly gobble up what little territory is left, that is designated for a palestinian state.
It often gets said here in the west "Where is the palestinian gandhi?" but we've seen what happens when the Palestinians protest in 2018 (before any rockets or bullets are fired on the pali side), they get shot by snipers, gassed by drones dropping tear gas.
Was people being called islamophobic over criticizing Assad, Isis or Al Quaida really a thing? I feel like I've been pretty into online politics, but I don't remember anyone calling me islamophobic for saying isis were terrorists and murderers.
No it was definitely not a thing
It was a thing even pre wide spread internet
@@AspiringDevil no it wasn't lol it was open season on saying wild stuff about arabs everywhere
@freddie5ive naw there was an open season time but that was like post 911 by 2009 bruh it was a whole different thing stop gaslight the dggers
@@revanwitter8501 what are you talking about? You must live in one of those fantasy euro-american realities. to this day no one cares about saying wild stuff about arabs.
Listening to hamas supporters is painful as they view everything view the lense of Israel and America bad while Palestinians have absolutely no agency.
Kyle will just say the holodomor and the great leap forward were either exaggerated or didn't happen. All tankies do.
Holdomor happened before ww2 but I agree Kyle is stupid.
Ouff, the first 50 minutes (at least) of this are roughhh.
Don't understand why Destiny gets caught up on these debate-bro things like trying to argue that because there's an occupation, apartheid isn't a valid term 🙃
And it's just going downhill now after he lost on that point. Doubling down on semantics? Oh, okay.
Usually he's good at avoiding Ls like this.
His stance is internally consistent, apartheid isn’t a valid term because the Palestinians don’t want to be Israelis making them be two separate states, or one state and an occupied territory. Apartheid can only occur in a single state, under destiny’s understanding.
Calling it apartheid is semantics. All it does it kill the argument because you can try to argue for fixing the occupation and people just screech “APARTHEID THO”.
@@justsomedude77 yea, it’s funny how many times he walked the guy through the idea of calling every military occupation apartheid and he kept just falling into it
@@daviddavidson6278 Nah, sorry, he got visibly irrate and lost his temper for a reason. It's a silly point to lose ground to and sort of unmasks the fasade of impartiality towards the situation.
It just doesn't make sense to care that much about this point unless it hits you in the feels.
@@justsomedude77 Are you saying he refuses to believe the general understanding of the term just to be consistent?
Or are you implying he just doesn't know any better?
202:40 ROFL " I don't think Palestine has tried to genocide is real since 1988". I'm sorry the guys pretty nice but that is such a funny thing to say
Its amazing how the beginning of time for human civilization started at WW2.
this is like saying that its a holocaust... like no, its a military conflict between two different types of ppl and cultures, but not all conflicts are holocausts...
its also like calling someone who raps along to the n-word in their car a nazi... ur just making the word useless.
exactly. The term “holocaust” most likely originated from heavy antisemites that specifically chose that comparison to annull a very real trauma the jews recently faced. This was a very carefully selected comparison by jew haters.
Problem is idiot leftists who may not necessarily be antisemetic decided to run along with it because it “strengthens” their cause, and then they reject the idea they are being antisemetic because “antizionism is not antisemitism”.
Douglas Murray talks about this quite a bit too
Technically Holocaust just means killing a whole ton of people in a short amount of time.
I don't know what constitutes "a whole ton" though
honestly yes. The Palestinians just need to bend over and take it for a few years. Because everytime they indiscriminately fire rockets towards civilian targets in Israel, whatever political support and sympathy they've garnered up until that point gets reset back to zero.
And we know this works because it worked for Gandhi and it worked for Nelson Mandela. Peacefull resistance is the best way to garner global political pressure.
You clearly don’t have a clue on how Indian independence and South African independence were achieved if you think it was by any means peaceful. Stop talking out of your ass and do research.
"they" as a pronoun is cringe. i said it.
Literally no normal person disagrees with you
Ok? Why is this comment n this video lol
cos it's at the beginning on the screen,@@m1lkbags
It's acceptable if you're obese, then I'll refer to you as multiple persons 🙃
This feels like the other dudes wants to expand on the usage of apartheid and destiny is opposed to the changing of the definition or usage of the word.
Tankies are absolutely antisemitic.
The point with the apartheid does not consider the palestinian/ arab/ muslims in Israel. Palestinian arabs are just treated differently in the occupied areas, not in Israel. The palestinians there have the same rights as the jews. Thats why apartheid does not stick, because it just refers to the occupied areas in which the conditions can simply be explained by the occupation.
They are treated differently Arab Israelis. There are 50+ laws that only apply to Arabs.
Of course israeli arabs are treated differently lol are you 4 years old
@@cwhit0110give me one lmao
@@cwhit0110yeah that happens in every country. Some laws only matter for certain groups. Germany has a law that allows religious freedom. Does that mean I as an atheist now lives in an apartheid?
@@adididavidi6185 Under Israeli law Palestinians are effectively blocked from leasing on 80% of Israel’s state land, resulting in racist land seizures and a web of discriminatory laws on land allocation, planning and zoning.
Or more directly Basic Law: Israel Lands (1960) stipulates ownership of “Israel lands” - controlled by the state, Jewish National Fund (JNF) and the Development Authority - can only be transferred between the three entities, knowing that the JNF leases land it owns to JEWS ONLY. Kinda sounds like Jim Crow, no?
Or the Admissions Committee Law. This law authorizes hundreds of smaller towns to set up “admissions committees” to reject applications from Palestinians, LGBTQ people, and others deemed undesirable using criteria such as being “unsuitable to the social life of the community… or the social and cultural fabric of the town.”
Or The Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law. Prevents Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza who are married to Palestinian citizens of Israel from gaining residency or citizenship status, including those who were expelled from towns inside what became Israel in 1948. Forces thousands of Palestinian citizens of Israel to leave the country or live apart from their spouses and families.
Or The Jewish Nation-State Law. One of Israel’s quasi-constitutional Basic Laws. Stipulates that the right to self-determination in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories “is unique to the Jewish people” and encourages racial segregation and discrimination against Palestinians in housing by directing the state to promote the “development of Jewish settlement as a national value.”
The name for Palestine comes from the word Philistine.
before 1967 there were no "palestinians". There were palestinian-arabs and palestinian-jews and some other ethnicities. After 1967 some arabs decided to form a nationality that is a mirror-like to zionism and decided the best name would be "palestinians". Great tactic by the way. Very effective. Jews did the same a century before that.
In Rwanda the radical Hutus killed about half of all Tutsis in the country in just 4 months. Most of those murders were done with machetes.
What an insane statement for Kyle to make.
Yes, the occupation is the main issue as Destiny said. The occupation leads to a de facto apartheid situation, but it is not an apartheid state due to there still being two states and two peoples involved in the conflict, not one state.
Does isreal consider it 2 states?
The biggest problem with calling it apartheid is that it leads to solutions that don't make sense, because it's an occupation.
no@@Pantifaximile
@@Pantifaximiledoubtful. But they definitely don’t see the Gaza or west bank as part of Israel
@Pantifaximile Israel doesn't because their end goal is one state under their control, but de facto and de jure there are two states right now. And Israel knows this.
"A rebuke goes deeper into a man of understanding than a hundred blows into a fool."
"A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion."
Why is it that these guys think only India and South Africa are capable of non-violent revolution?
A deficit of cerebellar epithelial cell scaffolding.
Bosnia, Rwanda, Cambodia. Those 3 together are already like 3 million people. I’m blown away Kyle would say something like that and then follow it up with I don’t think this is controversial.
Destiny is 100% correct about there being no apartheid.
Also, Palestine has never been a country.
Hamas will never accept a 2 state solution. The 3 No’s says it all!!
I feel like this whole argument boils down to a lot of people not seeing the difference between two actions with similar outcomes, the reason these two guys are so adamant the Israel Palestine situation is an apartheid is because in their brain they think "well it has pretty much the same outcome so what's the fucking difference?", but when your trying to be really fucking specific like destiny is then it REALLY fucking matters to distinguish between an occupation and an apartheid.
especially when the occupation is SINCERELY for self preservation. Palestinians have constantly elected for terror over peace. Anyone who says otherwise is either deluded by falling into an endless pit of conspiracy theories or they are just ignorant.
Yea, they don't care about the details so the play fast and loose with the definitions.
So anyone who cares about maintaining useful definitions of words are cast into the "evil" side.
@@marcpalaci9224 bro so now you're literally justifyinf occupation as welll, come on. Palestenians have elected people who promise them that they can get their land back...whats wrong with that? wouldnt you do the same if someone after centuries came back and told you to vacate from the place you used to live at?
@@samuraijosh1595 there is nothing wrong with that. But when your condition gets worse and worse because your DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED government utilizes terror over political reconciliation, then you cannot cry about your deteriorating conditions. It is now your fault for stubbornly choosing war over peace.
Also do you not realize how pathetic it is to use the land argument after 75 years? Israel is a reality... get over it. You cannot at the same time say "50% of Palestinians are children" and then use the "wouldn't you want your land back?" when these two arguments litterally contradict each other. Most of current day Palestinians never even set foot in Israel so why the fuck is it worth destroying your lives and the lives of your future children over this land? Just fucking accept a peace offer already.
You want to take up arms against Israel then go for it... but when you shoot yourself in the foot don't go blaming israel for your decisions.
43:35 that is such an obfuscation of the truth, absolving Palestinians completely of violence, terror attacks and misrepresenting Israel as if they just shoot people for the sake of shooting people (see Hamas)
Wasn’t this bad bunny chick literally a white supremacist at one point? I guess her views didn’t have to shift much when she drifted / grifted left.
It will never not be weird to me that people in their 20s and 30s can be so naive
Well they were largely raised by morons that prepared their children for a world that turned not to exist so it's not that shocking to me.
Take a shot everytime you hear "56 years"
Defending the apartheid state of Israel is why Melina left you.😊
The documentary/movie "the act of killing" from Joshua Oppenheimer is about the indonesian murders. An impressive movie!
Gotta Love how bad Bunny says it doesn't make sense to go fight bc you'll probably just die as if the same isn't true for Palestinians. For them it's heroic to pick fights they know they won't win.
The West Bank was NEVER a separate entity and is simply an illegal colony of Jordan.
Jordan literally is the original Arab Palestinians state. It wasn’t named Transjordan until after the British reneged on the deal to the Jews and RE-DREW the borders. The fact that they renamed it to Jordan PROVES the name Palestine never meant a thing to them. Ironically, Palestine is the name given during the colonial occupation of Israel …freeing Palestine literally means Israeli liberation. Apartheid is in Jordan where Jews cannot buy land or homes , or in Gaza where Jews are not allowed to live, or Palestinians authority ran areas of “West Bank” where Jews cannot live and the law is death penalty to sell a house or land to Jews.