Tempers Flare In Israel Debate w/ Cenk
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Date: 31 Jan, 2023
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Is that a typo for the year in the Description?
Date: 31 Jan, 2024**
@@ColtFPS Confirmed now I've started watching.
August... we gonna address that mishap on the second channel?
As an Israeli American who grew up in Israel, and lives here- I can say that all the ridiculous things that Cenk says about how Israeli's view the situation- is farthest from the truth.
Also, this notion that the death toll is going to be linear and based on how things have been is BS- I would love to see a graph of casualties on the Palestinian side, as I would believe that while the number is going up, it is way way lower since the ground invasion began.
How the F does he say that Israel's numbers are propaganda, but Hamas's numbers are accurate. When there are video of Hamas, showing them conduct combat in civilian clothing- I think it helps demonstrate that the numbers are skewed or include terrorists.
Finally- Israel has to throw its own government, but for the past 10+ years of the Hamas rule- there is no obligation for their people to overthrow the government?
I really don't believe that Bibi will be in power at the end of this, everyone at the top who was in power- needs to go. Ministry of Defense, Prime minister, Head of the army, head of intelligence etc. There is a time for everything, and when this horrible war ends, things will change within Israel- not when it's fighting.
So glad this loser Cenk has no future in politics.
Oh, I'm only 15 minutes in 😂
Cenk has never built a straw man he wouldn’t fight
😂
Bahaha
This is just so on point.
there was a lot of projection from Cenk on this debate, saying the jews wanna do what, those who genuinely want sharia law actually want. one side actually genuinely want to subjugate and or kill to other side for religious reasons.
He's the king of strawman. I dont agree with destiny on most things, but he's hitting the nail on the head. Cenk is so delusional.
Can we keep having Eli as a moderator. He's a breath of fresh air compared to the unstable discord mods you usually have weighing in when no one asked. Eli is an actual professional despite how uncivil the debates can be.
I see only a few debates but so far he’s doing pretty well
Yeah Eli is one of the better moderators.. He needs to figure out how to put his big moderator dick on the table and stop letting people endlessly talk over him though
He annoyed me few times during Glenn debate when he tried to stop Glenn rambling but gave up after Greenwald didn't care - but over all he is doing a very solid job!
Eli has an amazing ability to keep a straight face when Cenk is melting down, and looks like he might be related to Woody Allen.
I love how Eli knows Destiny is doing well and pushes the opponent into answering or understanding the actual meaning of something RATHER than letting it blow over and ignore it or yell at destiny nonstop cause destiny gets a little rowdy. Compared to Prime and co, this guys amazing.
Cenk made it 26 minutes before pulling the "racist" card. that's pretty good for him.
To be fair he was speaking for 15 minutes before Destiny got to say a word so he didn’t hold himself so hard
Cenk is a textbook example of how not to debate.
Imagine if the Palestinians were white and had blond hair.
Cenk (a... Turk) believes that we shouldn't go back to 1967 to consider how the occupation started.
Wonder why he doesn't want to keep creeping back in history?
Perhaps because this whole problem was caused by the Ottoman Turks screwing up this whole region playing arabs against every other group (Jews, Assyrians, Armenians, Christians, Druze, Africans, anyone not Islam/Arab).
Palestinians do hate Jews for being Jews.
They always fall on the side of Jews being at fault, just like Cenk.
That is the Jew hate - the application of agency PURELY to Jews.
Whenever Palestinians are called on to judge who is their oppressor - Jews or Islamists, they ALWAYS choose Jews, and so does Cenk.
i can’t believe cenk was talking about how sad he thinks it is that civilians are killed and then he says that hamas isn’t as bad as the nazis because they haven’t killed as many people. but cenk i thought any deaths are bad why would it matter how many they are able to kill. it’s the intention that matters, just because the hamas wants to kill more but can’t doesn’t mean they aren’t similar. he’s just antisemitic and only cares if people on his side dies
That Cenk bloke is completely mad. Nasty and disingenuous to the extreme.
he is funny but yes revolting
Shank Cenk yoghurt is DUMB!!
He's a piece of crap. Biased as hell
-"If they like occupation, why did they give back their lands to Egypt?"
-"That's a great question!" *proceed to evade it totally*
Pretty simple it’s a religious theocracy that believes Palestine, Lebanon, and Jordan are part of its divine land not Egypt in Africa
The Americans pay Israel billions every year in exchange for making peace with Egypt
True. He evaded most of the questions to proceed to they just want to kill Palestinians. It is like watching a toddler debate.
True
Yt deleted my comment when I said nothing wrong lol but it’s because Israel is a religious theocracy that believed they have a divine right to Palestine, Jordan and Lebanon not Egypt which is in Africa that’s obvious.
I can't believe Destiny was able to debate a high profile US presidential candidate.
Calling chank high profile is funny af
Calling him a presidential candidate is even funnier
I came here to say this.
THE potential 2024 president elect?! Gasp! 😱
😂😂😂😂
I like how Cenk assumes that Israel's numbers must be propaganda but not the death tolls presented by Hamas
He's been told by multiple people that the numbers he's quoting are Hamas numbers, but he doesn't care because for some bizarre reason he thinks making the Palestinian side of the conflict as his signature campaign issue is somehow going to deliver him an electoral landslide.
Hamas doesn't care about losses, on either side, but they know their rivals value life, so they use that as just another weapon, and Cenk's more than happy to be their useful idiot, because he hates Israel about as much as they do, and the only question is whether he hates Armenians more.
I know he said he's running as kind of like a message/protest thing, but I know Cenk's ego: that's a smokescreen and he's in deep denial about how little of a chance he has, but if he admits he's lost before he began, his ego will shatter.
Cause other independent agencies have verified hamas health ministrys death toll numbers for decades. They were almost always on point. Probably a handful of deaths off in most cases. Thats why its believable because they havent shown otherwise.
On the other hand...
He also says "Netanyahu must be replaced" - how? "Elections!"
Destiny: Well why shouldn't we expect Hamas to replaced and Palestinians select a new leadership?
Cenk: NO ANSWER
Cenk: Jews have agency, Palestians have none
Palestinian leaders bank accounts: $11 billion
DID you just say the IDF values life? IS that a joke? Personally I have trained with the IDF. Im curious about your personal experience. you know.. as a LAB TECH.. @@LabTech41
@@Jasoncrim It objectively values it more than Hamas does; I can say that with confidence, because the IDF will take effort to minimize civilian casualties, while Hamas takes efforts to maximize them.
If you can't even grasp that distinction, you're not operating in good faith.
Also, that clearly fake anecdote about training with the IDF was completely unnecessary, and only serves to demonstrate how bad faith you are.
As for my personal experience, I've found that typically far left ideologues are as patently disingenuous as you've been, which is why you can rarely if ever have a meaningful discussion with them. I DO know that hospitals lose their protected status when the Palestinians build a ton of fake ones, knowing that putting their weapons, secret tunnels, and soldiers in them will earn sympathy from the useful idiots when the IDF has to attack them in order to neutralize threats.
Also, personally, you'd be a lot less cringe if you operated in good faith, didn't rely on fake anecdotes and ad homs to push your groupthink narratives.
As an Israeli, I like listening to Cenk, unintentionally he makes our case better than any pro-Israeli.
My thoughts exactly. Nothing is making a better case to advocate for Israel than listening to Cenk's insane rants.
@@polinco737 i find it quite hypocritical of that cenk claim israel wanna kill as many civilians as possible, considering US in Iraq killed 3 times more civilians there then the number of civilian deaths on gaza
I don't even dislike the guy on everything, but he completely has the blinders on for Gaza, also had them on about the War in Syria etc.
He blames everything on the West as his default position.
Why is Cenk allowed to spew his rhetoric like this. He is vile and influences so many other idiots out there
Good point. But I think Cenk is a waste of time. He has no heartfelt intelligence. He's such an old school debater as he hasn't enough words so repeats emotionally ever ever. He also has mostly false points.
Cenk Meltdowns are honestly the funniest things in the world.
They just remind me of Cenk's Nephew to be honest.
@@dfmrcv862 nah, Cenk throwing a fit blows Hamasanabi's out the water, Hamasanabi reverts to name calling, banning, and refusing to engage. Cenk's is more elementary mocking and rage.
Imagine if he makes it past primaries and we get to see them on a presidential debate stage? Cenk will be a household name and then the true lolcow era can begin!
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@@dfmrcv862They are both intensely stupid . Like looking into an angry chicken’s eyes . All aggression, no logical thought whatsoever.
Cenk’s ability to strawman every opposing position in the most condescending way possible is honestly impressive, he should look into being a debate streamer.
😂
AND THEY JUST KEEP PUNCHING YOU AND PUNCHING YOU AND PUNCHING YOU AND WHY WONT YOU JUST STOP HITTING YOURSELF 😂😂😂😂
Strawmanning is all Cenk ever does. It's like he's doing his utmost to have any sort of real conversation with people he disagrees with.
"😢 oooh we're sorry for getting mad while you guys are 🤬 CONSTANTLY ATTACKING US AND KILLING OUR CIVILIANS 🙊 but we're gonna have to bend over cuz we're the bad guys... like come on destiny!"
Not as impressive as ur ability to be a Zionist shill and misinterpret everything
My God i dont know how anyone can tolerate cenk for more than 30 seconds.
damn did Cenk just describe the Houthis as people who are trying to help their Palestinian brothers 😂
He's an idiot
Bro, they are only riding the Grand Line, yo
Read the translation for the houthi flag
Yep and also won't admit Hamas is a terrorist org, but also won't admit most Gazans support Hamas. So like why is it so bad to support them as a Gazan but not as an American? It's nuts.
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it's crazy how even the moderator is trying to explain to Cenk that his point of view is unrealistic.
"Hey, not to stall the debate, but Cenk, what the fuck are you talking about?"
Eli 2024
I was with Cenk until he started arguing it was a genocide. Saying Israel is actively trying to kill civilians is wild
He has the emotional intelligence of a toddler
Probably also the cognitive intelligence of a toddler.
im more amazed how Destiny went full high IQ summary while going toddlermode, he summed this shit up perfectly, the dude is the most mediocre absolute basic populist propagandist on the planet, absolutly everything he says a 1000 others said, he has no ideas, no different position, says the most obvious whatever the voterbase he is aminig at also says, there is nothing of value in this guy, nothing outstanding, worse, hes anti american and antiwest in absolutly everything he represents and "believes".... and i reallly would ike to know what he believes because what he says is trash and we all know it.
@@Hack3r91 name one thing he was wrong about..?
@stevenpmurphy9963 why would we do that you obviously agree with him so you have the cognitive ability of a toddler
@@stevenpmurphy9963 I'd basically have to go through all the discussion and post it here, that'd be easier to name a thing he was right about...He presented himself as Cenk Uygur, he's right about that one.
As an Israeli , I have to say to cenk that his ‘solution’ is exactly what Israel did at 2005. We left Gaza and gave it to the PA. This what cause this situation from the first place. So your suggestion is just do it again and hope for different results?
Yep, I’m also Israeli just writing in English in case of people seeing, literally when we pulled out in 2005 what everyone said is that now they will have no reason to attack us anymore, guess what happened then
why not just give them citizenship back in 1944?
@@bevs9995 I’m guessing you mean 1948, and yea, the Arabs that stayed in Israel did get citizenship, why do you think there are 2 million Arabs in Israel out of a population of 9 million?
@@alonmarkovitz2898 they are not giving them citizenship now.... And Israel is the only country in the world that bans refugees from returning - your retort?
Also those 2 million have to sit in the back of the bus, drink from separate water fountains, live in separate neighborhoods, send their kids to separate schools; intermarriage is banned --- your retort?
@@bevs9995
1) Israel was establish at 1948 so at 1944 there were no country to give them citizenship.
2) Israel accepted the UN partition plan at 1947 and the Arabs attacked us. As a results of it some of them left, some of them left and some of them stay. The Arabs that stay got an Israeli citizenship. They are 20% of the population.
3) the act of giving all the Palestinian citizenship is both unjust because it will make the Jews a minority and we know what happen to Jews under Muslim rule. And it also unsmart because this is a recipe for perpetual civil war. No one in this region thinks that 1 state is a good solution
Cenk is such a clown.
Why does Cenk continue to humiliate himself like this?
He's a bad faith left wing demagogue
Humiliation fetish
I don’t know but I do enjoy watching him make a fool of himself. Presidential candidate😂😂😂
@@JagsNoles28 he can't even run he wasn't born in the US. Maybe erdogan can give him a position KEKW
because he supports endless flagellation
When the german girl( dead body) naked , legs broken in two was paraded through Gaza in the back of a truck , I can not unsee that. The people on the street that spat on her, violated her dead body as it went by were not Hamas. So, is there an example from another country where something like that happened??
Also the game shows Hamas was putting on
I didn’t see hasan or cenk yelling about how horrible that was
Game shows? Can you send me a link? With this topic ( israel/palenstine) i am really trying to understand both sides. Really dude.. but , that thing with the german girl really puts me closer to one side.
@@Robberlin100 A question though. You saw that, and it greatly affected you. Why did that affect you so much versus say a 3 year old girl who has been bombed in Gaza? Is it the disrespect of the dead? Because I think you have this misconception that one side is more ruthless and vile than the other.
They both would equally enact the same vile things on each other. One side is not more civilized or fair than the other, but because we have such strong political ties to them we are led to think this.
You'll never get either side to stop hating the other for this reason.
However, I think many in Israel are removed from this terror because they've experienced less of it vs Gaza where so many of them are freshly enraged because of the counter-actions.
I'm not on either of their side because I think they are both pretty terrible.
No. This is a broken culture and can't be fixed. The only solution is keeping it contained.
@@drownthepoor You can't create a moral equivalence between what was done to Shani Louk on Oct. 7th, and a Gazan child killed in an Israeli air strike that was a military response to Hamas's act of war, after the IDF warned civilians to leave an area that was targeted for military strikes because Hamas was using it for military purposes. A death like that COULD be prevented by that child's own people, if they valued her life enough. Why are there no civilian bomb shelters in Gaza, when they're everywhere in Israel? Even the Nazis in WWII cared enough about their own civilians to build bomb shelters, and to organize evacuation protocols, eg. in neighbourhoods where there were no shelters they would designate homes with the strongest and most spacious basements to be the places of refuge for the whole street whenever there was an air raid warning. Hamas just shoots civilians trying to flee danger. The IDF, for all the wrongs they've done, would simply never do to a Palestinian - even a captured Hamas fighter, let alone a female civilian - what Hamas did to Shani Louk. Israeli civilians - children included - would never run behind the mutilated body of a Palestinian civilian woman hitting and spitting on her. And you know that. We're not dealing with the same kind of humans here.
I wonder how many videos over the years I've asked 'how is Cenk still taken seriously?'?
There are already two states Israel and Jordan.
Soon it will be Wasrael and Palestine.
@@zj9233 75 years and Isreal is still kicking.
@@karandeosingh2356 when people use the sentence “is still kicking”, you certainly know that soon they will stop kicking. You just admitted defeat you infanticidal Zorc.
@@zj9233no country is permanent bozo.
It's just painful hearing Cenk debate.
His ability to convey complex ideas is of a 4 year old child, he is a child in a mans body.
All I see are 2 man children screaming at each other
Plot twist: ur actually the 4 year old and just can't hear things u don't like
@@gigachud35 Plot twist: You learn to actually spell properly.
@@CHUCKVID19Good job you accomplished something.
@@Valoryohnt And your comment accomplished what exactly?
Cenk is terrible at debating. I've seen probably a half dozen or so debates with Cenk, where he's debating people I agree with, as well as disagree with. Cenk loses all of the debates for the same reason. He does this thing where he relies on emotional reactions, and it actually makes me laugh now. The first several times I watched him do it, I remember getting really annoyed by it. Now I've come to realize it's just a debate strategy. It doesn't work though. Perhaps it works on people with swollen amygdala's, but it's not going to win a debate.
Even though I may agree with him to a certain degree just the fact that he sounds like a child when debating is such a turn off. This is the second time I’ve heard him debate and he did the same thing then. Will not be listening to other debate with him on the off chance just listening to him might change my mind in the other direction.🤣 Take care
The whole idea of Palestinians is emotional. that is why.
@@zkatom3773but the OP has referenced other debates in which Cenk acted the same way. I agree with them. It’s not simply the subject matter of this particular debate - Cenk has a pattern of behavior regardless of the topic at hand.
Look at his name, people like him are emotional savages.@@BRexxors
Sumthin' wrong with dis medulla oblongata!
It makes no sense when i hear people try to justify what Hamas did on October 7th
But I bet in the next breath you'd justify what Israel has done to Palestine every day since October 7th...which makes no sense to me.
@@pistolnowood2044It's called war. Who started the war?
@@mikeg2306 hhhh it's called war Ok but Oct is civilian attack and unjustifiable what logic you used bro to want one group don't attack civilian and others can attack.
@pistolnowood2044 You're disgusting. Israel has done many things wrong before and after Oct 7th that I disagree with. This idea that if you stand against something wrong it means you rejoice and support every action the opposition makes is disgusting.
If you want this mentality than that means EVERY palastinian is a far right genocidal group that want to exterminate the jews.
Cenk says he's going to answer the question. Then proceeds to not answer said question...
The irony of Cenk telling Israel to not elect terrorists when that is exactly what Gaza did.
20 years ago
@@jacksonteller4583 Do you think Hamas would lose an election to a non-terrorist candidate if they still had elections or is that completely irrelevant to the point being made?
@@e.d.5766 nations under attack tend to vote for terrorists. see: usa george bush.
@@jacksonteller4583 to which surveys show that support grew after October 7th, whats your point?
@@JoinTheMelody you wouldn't support the only group that has struck back at the nazis that are committing genocide against you?
We negotiated peace with Germany? You mean the unconditional surrender after decimatating their country and army? That is not a negotiation that is breaking a people's will to fight.
Absurd and hilarious Leftist historical revisionism lol
The black guy he debated in the 2 on 1 said that a reasonable way to end ww2 would have been a peace treaty where Adolf and the N a zi stayed in power (lol wtf) and that there is a world where n a zi germany wasn't destroyed
So progressive they are assbackwards
after East Germany was raped and genocided by Jewish communists no less
They weren't occupied for almost a century beforehand, terrible analogy
@@gigachud35
One it was Cenk's analogy I was just point out how stupid it was.
Two, germany didn't keep trying to attack its neighbors afterwards and instead focused on rebuilding their nation.
@@DivusMagus well technically the uk tried to negotiate peace many times before the invasion of Poland, and secondly there is a reason its the second world war because it was Germany attacking again after the first.
I’m truly happy to have Destiny on the side of good. I’ve seen your old stuff and want to congratulate you on your research and understanding. Thank you.
Genocide is good? 🤡
It really is frightening that Cenk has "millions" of followers, like what are these people thinking?
he doesn't. Most of TYT subscribers/Cenk followers are mostly just people forgetting to unsubscribe/unfollow after them falling off entirely.
I didn’t realize how simplistic the progressives see conflicts in the world
No, progressives LOVE nuance. When it comes to their arguments.
It is really wild how much they like to only look at surface level shit and refuse to look further. It's like when a lot of progressives were agreeing with Bin Ladens letter to America because they basically say "America bad" and jumped on the bandwagon
I remember arguing with a progressive about killing Nazis walking down the street is not self defense. Their entire argument wouldn't go beyond "but Nazi bad" and no matter how hard I tried to explain to them that outright killing someone who isn't an immediate threat to you is murder, and thinking it's okay killing someone for their beliefs is no different than a Nazi's belief system. They could not get it through their head.
It's even more simplistic than they even pretend. They're just racists, that's all it comes down to every time.
Its hard to beat poor and brown on the progressive hierarchy of "most oppressed" so i MUST support them no matter what they do
I guess poor/trans and brown/black might trump it
I can't think of much else
Cenk is so emotional and makes no factual arguments.
Usually, this works with the mass.
You could have shortened it and just called him a Progressive.
cenk and gustiny yelled 5% of the time...be real
@@jmunoz113Except Cenk’s yelling was 5000X louder than Destiny’s yelling but whatever
@@jmunoz113we watched a very different debate, Cenk basically saying every single tally that Israel or US, or frankly anyone but Hamas gives out is "total bullshit" and the "whole world doesn't believe" is basically the most dishonest thing you can do. The numbers Hamas gives out should be the least trusted of all numbers, the numbers the UN give out should be 2nd least, and then the numbers given by the Idf...but guess what we have numbers from neutral countries that all corroborate Hamas deaths in at minimum 25% of all deaths in the war, which is sadly high considering A. It does not include Hamas adjacent Palestinians with intent to kill/weapons, including the brainwashed kids with guns, sorry but a 12 yo with an RPg is no longer civilian. B. It comes with the morale failure of Jihadis putting artillery over apartment buildings, in school yards, and right next to hospital generators...either way Israel cannot just let Terrorists get away with what they did, the west has a strict no negotiating with terrorist policy because guess what? It never works! You always lose. Every conversation I have on the subject starts with "Did Israel blow up the Al-Alhi hospital(or any hospital) in Gaza" if the answer is "Yes" the debate is over, because it is factually inaccurate and proves the person is deep within Hamas propaganda. If they say, no, that was a misfired Hamas rocket from nearby, they are operating with facts and it will be a good debats.
Hamas has never looked for peace. Cenk is a legend in his own mind.
I'm a liberal Conservative Christian (not a Republican) and after watching destiny for a while I'm actually very happy to see that he's not a total psychopath, or shill. He seems to actually think things through. This is somebody i can disagree with, but still have respect for. Unlike chunk over there.
“I’m a liberal conservative Christian” is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
@@markcurry3083 liberalism and social conservatism is compatible in most parts of the world. America is just weird in branding the social progressives as "liberal". I don't think I have to explain the Christian thing, as politics and religion can be separate, but again I dunno if that's different in the US 😉
Hearing Cenk call Yitzhak Rabin right wing and include him in a sentence basically implying his views were analogous to Ariel Sharon is a great indicator of how knowledgeable he is on the topic as a whole.
Can you expand
@@lordberossus2545 Yitzhak Rabin had always been on the Israeli left. His parents were Labor Zionists which was a socialist movement, and when he was in the Hagannah he was a member of a pro Soviet political org. Throughout his political career he was waaaaay left of Ariel Sharon. But when it comes to this conflict and how people analyze Israeli politics a lot of people assume that if you don’t want Israel dismantled or destroyed you must be on the right.
@@lordberossus2545 Yitzhak Rabin was soooo left wing, he was assassinated by a right wing extremist, thats how left he was
@@lordberossus2545Rabin was so left wing that he was assassinated for his leftist actions, by an extremist.
@@boredom5132honestly, this is the left’s/progresive’s fault for fostering that mindset in their circles.
Cenk should get an award for talking the most without saying anything
Hasan is the same exact way too. Idk how these guys rose to prominence
@SunzTalk goofy fanbase...
Saying things you don’t like to hear is not equal to not saying anything. You guys all say how dumb he looks, but I don’t see anybody pointing out the part where he actually says something dumb.
@@pistolnowood2044 I don’t give a shit what he says he just talks in circles and nothing he says has any substance behind it he takes the easiest positions on every issue
Cenk is so irritating
It's like you're arguing with a teenager
As an Israeli
I could count at least 50 times where he said something like : "The Israeli say X"
Where no Israeli ever ever said X.
Cenk, is Turkey "occupying" Kurdistan? Why is he not screaming about the Armenian, Greek, Assyrian and Kurdish genocides and the theft of ALL of their land to create Turkey? Should Turkey be cut out of NATO until they give that back? "Occupation" is a totally arbitrary line, the South can claim they are occupied by the Yankees .
All these non-white social justice progressives like Cenk are actually ethnic nationalists when it comes to their own people or co-religionist’s. Intersectional Progressivism is non-white ethnic nationalism by sneaky means, that’s why you can note such obvious hypocrisies. If Israelis were Turkish Muslims and Palestinians were Jews, Cenk would be pro-Israel.
he said the Armenian genocide wasn't a genocide so you know...
Whataboutism isnt OK just because its against Cenk
And let's talk also about the Turkish invasion of Northern Cyprus that led to 150 000 ethnic greeks being pushed out, and Turkey moving 120 000 turks from Anatolia to Northern cyprus... and nobody cares... this is double standard.
@@IstandwithIsrael236 That was over twenty years ago and since he has said he was wrong over and over again. He was a Republican when he said that FFS!
This debate is essentially one hour of Cenk repeatedly avoiding the fact that Palestinians do not want a two-state solution, as proven repeatedly in polling.
Can we agree Israel also doesn’t want a two star solution?
State*
@@herbhealsus polling shows that they do want it, they just don't trust the Palestinians to actually make that deal. Small difference but it is different
@@herbhealsus I actually don't know about how it's polling with the Israeli population now, but I agree that the terrible right-wing government of Netanyahu doesn't want a two-state solution! Israel has offered two-state multiple times in the past, though.
@@alynthequestseeker3017they’re is video of Israeli government officials stating they don’t want a two state solution. Their actions in the West Bank also prove this…? Like what type of person slices up the West Bank with 700k settlers if they wanted a two state solution?
If this is about numbers of death...can someone answer to how long it took for the first major protest to begin post Oct. 7th?
Do you know how many Palestinians have died prior to Oct 7 in both Gaza and West bank?
Cenk talked himself into a lot of trouble here. I had a lot of respect for him since the early days of TYT but that has all gone. The load of crap he's talking is unbelievable.
Cenk really has turned into the lefts version of Alex Jones
Alex Jones is right sometimes
He always was.
@@areichentalthe only thing he was "correct" about was the gay frogs. Everything else, dead wrong.
A blind squirrel can find a nut every once and awhile
When Cenk debates this he sounds like he's doing a wrestling promo.
Its absolutely incredible how this man can talk for twice as long as Destiny during his rebuttals and say absolutely nothing.
He made a lot of strong points
strong but wrong@@getthepicture1000
Maybe u just weren't listening
Twice? It's more like x5. Destiny got his point across in 1 minute. I'm 18 minutes in and this dude is still yapping, I like how the host started arguing with cenk.
@@getthepicture1000 really? Please elaborate...
"You can't murder your way to peace." Wanna bet?
Tell that to japan.
@@antoniom2046 Yep.
@@antoniom2046 who did japan murder?
You think murdering defenseless civilians is a means to peace and in the same breath you call the other side terrorists... cognitive dissonance is the only explanation
@@pistolnowood2044 Go learn a little history. Plenty of groups have been slaughtered to achieve a peace.
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Right, Cenk. Nothing screams caring for life like using human shields.
I just want to point out the goalpost shift cenk did from "Palestinians actually want peace" to "of course they don't want peace, they're occupied!"
Technically the end goal of all wars is peace is it not? Just with their sides hand raised?
It isn't a goalpost shift, even Destiny acknowledges this by pointing out that peace without justice isn't peace. Occupation isn't justice.
This is EXTREMELY common from the pro Palestinian side. The starting point is -it is bigoted to say that Palestinians favour violence in general (majority/most however you define it) because the leftist position is “people generally want peace”.
To this you might point out via multiple researches and polling data about majority Palestinians supporting violence including violence against civilians.
Then the pro-P person says “can you blame them since they are ‘occupied’” .
It’s like having your cake and eating it too. They want to hold two opposite positions and not be called out on either of them.
@@TheAxlSnaks What would be justice?
@@crackbandicoot2254 it starts with ending the occupation, ends with sovereignty for Palestinians
These debates are the worst thing for Cenk's "Presidential" run
His “Presidential run,” is just to try and bring on fans to TYT. TYT’s viewership has been dying for years.
Cenk speaking at any moment is the worst thing for his “presidential” run
Was Cenk born in the USA?
@aaronneal5312 No and he's trying to convince people that he is eligible via the 14th (not sure if it's the 14th) amendment. It's just one big ego trip.
U really think destiny looked good here? Ur insane lmao
Cenk 80 % of people starving in the world are in gaza😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yes I just have to say again all the brothers and sisters of the Palestinians definitely agree with sync. That’s why when I asked an Egyptian person why the Arab countries won’t help the Palestinians and give them shelter, she said to me it’s because they don’t want October 7 in their countries.
Destiny talks about the conflict like an analyst. Cenk talks about it like an activist.
A biased Palestinian advocate who hates Israel. Though he won't admit
Not even an activist
Just straight up based and direct on this would be to say that he's seeing this as a fellow Muslim.
The only Muslim I have seen so far not on the side of Hamas/palestine is the son of Hamas guy.
Even Andrew tate a new Muslim is on the side of hamas/palestine.
It's honestly dangerous, imo how much they side with each other blindly.
I don't think I've ever heard Destiny talk about the deposing of Sadam Hussein. Why does he think that was a bad thing? I've been under the impression that was one of the good outcomes in Iraq. Sadam seemed to be just about as evil as a person can get.
@@boocraft4985 is Cenk even Muslim though? He strikes me as the "le epic reddit atheist" who would make fun of someone for believing in "imaginary sky daddy"
nah, Tiny talks about it like a propagandist! No analyst would say that human lifes are not part of the equitation of military success. That is such a bonkers, bronze age argument no serious person would ever say something like that
How can Cenk take himself as a presidential candidate seriously? He acts like a teenager on the playground. He’s ridiculously unhinged.
Oh and trumps so much better…
@@theredviper9842 oh poor little snowflake. Did my comment trigger you? You think I watch Destiny and give a crap about Trump? Laughable. 😂😂
@@theredviper9842When did OP mention Trump? You must have TDS. 😂 He lives rent free in your mind doesn’t he?
@@Rex73777 I’m just saying if trump can become president acting like a teenager on a playground so can cenk doofus
Sounds exactly like the 45th president, Cenk should be in good shape.
I feel like destiny is now starting to become very clear with his ideologies. I feel like in the past he used to stick to ideologies that were “popular” or ideologies that were used to manipulate people. Now he seems like he is logical and not drinking the cool aid. Very well done on his part. It takes a strong mind to shift when needed.
🙋♂️ Question: Is this the same debate that happened a couple months ago and it has been edited down to a shorter video, or is it a completely second debate? I’m surprised this wasn’t addressed in the description or at the first of the video.
It's a different debate, cenk just likes to repeat himself.
Wait...Cenk is the leftwing version of Alex Jones
Always has been
Nah Cenk is far worse - Alex Jones gets stuff right from time to time
@@stefanbrown5872*most of the time
that's such a hyperbole he's not that bad you might disagree with him but he actively participates and responds to everything destiny says
@@momo_7124 im only halfway through but so far he has dodged a number of questions
Three take aways.
1. Cenk has 0% understanding of military anying beyond war is bad.
2. Cenk is incapable of arguing against anyone who is not strawman.
3. Cenk has the emotional maturity of a three year old.
Conclusion, Cenk should not be taken seriously.
Just did some math, on average between 18,248 and 27,372 died every day in WW2.
2 year old.
You insult 3 year olds
Check is the absolute worst, the only person worse than hassan
Are they related.....
I love the part at 18:38, when you can see Destiny visibly baffled by Cenk's incoherent babbling as he obviously attempts to sidestep the fact that Destiny just nailed him on the idiotic statement that Israel just likes to occupy, by pointing out that they gave back the Sinai to Egypt. Cenk of course has no real response, because there isn't one that doesn't require him to confront his very obvious hatred of Israel, which is, if we're completely honest with ourselves, pretty clearly hatred of Jews.
Cenk's babyrage moments are peak content.
We need cenk baby rage merch
Is it wrong that I laughed uncontrollably when they said “Democratic presidential candidate Cenk Uyghur.”
Lol no hahaha
No that is the correct response
@@WarAndFame Yeah dude Cenk has been crazy in my book ever since that debate with Harris yeeeeaaaarrrss ago
I laugh at all democrats.
As a half Turkish person my opinion about Cenk is he is an extremist and it’s clear from the way he speaks.
Pro Palestine debaters fight for the "we're right and there wrong" and it seems Destiny is asking what is the prescription to peace. I'm a Republican so I usually can't stand Destiny but he at least tries to stick to facts not feeling or my team.
Cenk is annoying, never stops bullying, screaming and yelling.
Imagine trying to be the president yet you cant even beat an e-girl streamer in a debate.
Cenk couldn’t argue his way out of a paper bag…
As hilarious as Cenk’s meltdowns are, I do gotta respect him for at least facing Destiny again to stress test his beliefs. Hasan would never have done that.
Why is your bar so low
I think it’s less of him stress testing his beliefs & more of him being so delusional that he believes he’s articulating good points
@@JayMZ375 I mean… if you’re going to run for president, or any kind of political office for that matter, you damn well better have confidence in your articulation. Even if it’s misplaced confidence lol
@@michealjaymurphyYou should be asking hasans fans that
Cenk moped the floord with destiny! All desriny did was talk fast lol
The funniest thing about this discussion to me is how animated you guys get. Did you agree to work that into the debate prior to make it more actionable?
Cenk behaves like a WWF character... but he is a real person who actually behaves this way.
LOL, pure gold.
Dude is a lunatic.
Yeah, he's actually grown on me. I disagree with just about everything that comes out of his mouth, but he sure is entertaining.
Chenks entire argument is "israel is winning they need to stop"
Winning in what ? slaughtering innocent civilians ? okay then...
Smooth brained takes
no, that is certainly not his entire argument
I use to watch a channel with him finding out him and the chick are too much in emotions than facts
Cenk has an argument? I though he was just screaming and rambling. 😂
Palestinians have rejected a two-state solution consistently since November 1947 and explicitly state that they do not want two-state solution. I don't know what the Palestinians have to do to convince people that they really do not want a two-state solution.
I mean when foreign invaders come into your land and start illegaly settling, murdering, displacing you and shove you into the Gaza Strip idk why you would want to negotiate. The creation of Israel in and of itself is illegal under international law and they’ve never stopped breaking international law since 1948. If you agree with how Israel was created and agree that the Palestine isn’t being illegal occupied you are Extremly ignorant
Why should they do anything other than reject a two-state solution? If China decided to form a new country by taking over American territory and then just saying "hi guys we're here now plz just deal with it", would we be in the wrong for rejecting a two-state solution???
100% agree
Tons of examples where Israel rejected a 2 state solution. Netanyahu bragged about sabotaging peace talks and his supporter assasinated the Israeli PM in the 90s for trying to create a peace. Netanyahu said there will never be a 2 state solution and said from the river to the sea, it will only be Israel and Palestinians under Israeli control.
People in the US are just oblivious to the level of hatred between Israel and Palestine. I am sure of one thing, if Palestine was winning right now, they would have been massacreing Jews in a new holocaust.
Fatti gave me a headache. What a liar.
If you ever wondered what a fly on the wall looked like, bottom guy checks in
He is advocating for the PA to make peace but in the same sentence mentions that the Palestinians call the PA collaborators for working with Israel….. you’re admitting Palestinians don’t want peace Jenk
Uh no. There's a difference between Gaza and West Bank.
@@nonyabisness6306the West Bank don’t support the PA either lmaooo why else would no elections be held for 20 years
@@nonyabisness6306 In Theory, yes
On this matter? no
PA is exceptionally unpopular in the west bank, and this is where they are viewed as collaborators. Hamas would win in a landslide if PA held another election, which is why they haven't.
West bank is undemocratically controlled by PA the same way Hamas is undemocratically controlling Gaza, unfortunately, the most extreme of them have the popular support in both regions.
For that matter, it's fantastic how "monetarily rewards and honors terrorists, but doesn't organize the attacks themselves" is the bar for "peaceful good boys we should hand over full control to, literally in the pockets of the people they are paying people to kill"
Thry never did
@@ajax4676 they dont vote for homas either. neither are democratic governments....because israel doesnt allow the formation of a state.
Imagine you walk into a bar and see a dude choking a smaller dude. You walk over and break it up. Then, in what seems a blind rage, the smaller dude starts lunging at the other dude and ends up getting choked again. You break it up again but no matter how many times you break it up, the smaller dude keeps lunging for the bigger dude and ends up getting choked. What do you do dude?
You start laying the boot in the smaller dude. You're right. The little guy won't accept defeat, won't build his own life, won't stop blaming old Israel for his predicament.
It's cultural immaturity
@user-zx4ds8mt9b im not right or wrong, im asking.
“Stay away from the neck” and then let the other guy have it until it looks like intervention is reasonable again
@@thanatosdriver1938but the bar is the smalls home? Why tf is the big guy in there?
Chenk calling him self in the middle is hilarious
Germany which was also radicalised (Nazi Germany) Lost a war lost alot of Land, (East Germany, Danzig , Konigsberg) , Prussia was wiped off the map completely. Suffered Tragedies such as The Dresden Firestorm, Rape of Berlin.
They accepted the surrender, moved on and created a new state which is an European Powerhouse.
Palestine, should just move on, accept the fact they lost 2 wars and should just look forward to build a new country instead of looking back. After Germany stabilised and moved on, the Allies left the occupation of Germany (Save the USSR)
There are other bigger problems in the world such as Indonesia anexation and genocide of the West Papau people, the racist government constitution of Malaysia and Indonesia, the oppression of Myammar and Venezuela Crisis.
Why help people who had US$ 44.6 million( you can google it) and got nothing done when the money could be used to support people who need it more.
You should title this video: *"Presidential candidate gets embarassed in a debate against a former gamer streamer"*
Its so embarrassing for me that i used to think Cenk was such a smart person.
Yes, yes it is.
We live and learn. It’s ok. A little embarrassing, but it’s ok!
he is, he would culiarte in a debate
Man, that thought has literally never once occurred to me.
@@user-zx4ds8mt9b wish I could say the same, my dude
@Destiny A good arguement against 75 years of occupation is that, well for one it hasn't been continuous but the main point is that the underlying reason is to try and prevent attacks, and the attacks keep coming. And in war the 2 sides fight until one side gives in and sues for peace, one thing keeping the conflict alive is that complete victory is never allowed to happen.
This cenk character would be more suited as a manager of a McDonald's on the Southside of Chicago.
I like this moderator. He doesn't dominate the debate but steers it back on course.
Eli is actually fantastic at this. Most moderators don't seem to do much positive for a debate and generally just serve as a safety net in case one side gets really unhinged or constantly interrupts at any point.
He’s great. Best middleguy we’ve had since Dylan modded the Destiny vs. Corn Guy debate. 😅
@@ogbmt Him and the subway tattoo guy both seem to actually care about the content and aren't distracted doing something else
Cenk talked over him like 5 times
@@Deezcartes who doesn’t Cenk talk over?
Idk how destiny can go back to back with performative people like this and not pull his hair out.
My hairline got scuffed by watching the debate with the "expert analyst". I expect to go full tonsure once I get through this.
I listened to the Greenwald debate this morning and now this, I was wondering the same thing...
this makes him a lot of money lol
@@leoleyva4719 facts
*her hair out
how did he not think to make his website "CenkOfAmerica" missed opportunity
If bad faith was a person
Bri
A family*
Destiny would be his name.
@@squatch545 ur mother
That's Briahna Joy Gray
Cenk claims Hamas is bad but keeps saying anything Palestinians do to Israel is okay because they are occupied. You can’t have both! 😂
That's according to International Law. He is right.
Loved the debate. W for Destiny
Is destiny typing or playing a video game while this debate is going on 😂
I had to scroll down a bit, by the way... Cenk shaking his head every time Destiny even remotely criticized the Palestinians just drove me up a wall.
True, he did this in his last debate too, it’s like he shaking his head is some kind of strategy to try and annoy the crap of his opponent. It really shows that Cenk believe that Palestinians have done no wrong ever and trying to get rid of Hamas is ridiculous to him.
It’s basically a tick
Palesitinians civilians are NOT Hamas !! in the same way that Jewish civilians are NOT the IDF !! What is there to criticize about the Palestinian people who have been occupied for decades and living under apartheid ? Tell me you have not been heavily propagandized by Zionist, without telling you have been heavily propagandized by Zionists.
@@sisandamatomela3272lmao you are the one who was propagandized. The Palestinian population has never wanted a two state solution, they have always supported the destruction of Israel, they participate in and celebrate terror and all of this is backed up fully by polls. THIS is what happened in 1948 and has been the core of the conflict since (I am not excusing the settlements but we would be in the same place without them). The Palestinians do not want a two state solution and never have. Stop fucking coddling them.
@@sisandamatomela3272 Did you not listen to the debate? The Palestinian elected Hamas, they also poll really well with Hamas, so they as much at fault as civilians in the Israel are for electing a right wing government. The poll data shows that Palestinians are extremely radical and support Hamas, that’s just a fact. You can deny it all you like, doesn’t change reality.
Cenk just screaming murderers over and over again is really disappointing. There are valid points to make from his perspective but he resorts to that to rile his base.
Look at the comments section. Are his base here?
So the murder of over 9000 children in Gaza is irrelevant to you ? it's not worth screaming about. Is your conscience completely dead ? Don't answer that.
@@sisandamatomela3272The problem is that everyone wants to put that blame on Israel. Hamas is the Authority in Gaza for all intents and purposes. It is their responsibility to insure the safety of those innocents. They provoke an attack from Israel and then just hide amongst the population. They have these underground tunnels and bunkers that hide away their soldiers but they don't let the civilians in there which would at least somewhat protect them. I haven't heard of a single measure Hamas has taken to protect it's people from the bombs or the ground forces. The fact is it's not Israel's job to care for the people of Gaza. Even still they have done more than any other army would do when it comes to trying to minimize the casualties. However it is unrealistic what people keep trying to argue. Hamas should be the ones trying to get their people out of harms way. That's just a fact. The exact number of people killed is what people focus on because they are trying to find a way to blame Israel. The fact is that if you want to blame people for the deaths blame Hamas period. Those deaths are on their hands. They started a conflict with no means to protect those innocents when they knew retaliation was coming. Not only that they are operating out of civilian infrastucture. That's just the facts. If they wanted a better life maybe they shouldn't have burned down those green houses Israel left for them. How about that flower exporting business? The fact is Gaza could have gone in a completely different direction. Instead they want to tear up pipes and fire rockets. This was preventable in so many ways on both sides but it's only one side that gets violent first. So many points on the Palestinian side get ignored so much because they are the ones who have lost out and it's understandable that people feel emotionally charge at what they are going threw but it's not all on Israel and it's down right wrong to keep holding them to this standard but then people want to excuse Hamas actions. The deaths happening now are beyond description but so were the deaths and kidnappings on 10/07. All is precious period. Throwing out all these numbers in an attempted to assign some kind of blame on Israel is disgusting at best. Life is precious and Hamas went into Israel on October 7th to end life and to cause as much damage as they could and they went there with that sole purpose. Then said they would do again and again. There is no acceptable number when it comes to something like that. The fact is they did what they did. Israel is now responding. The problem is that Israel is far more capable of killing more people without trying to. So proportionality is just not an argument here. The fact is Hamas should have focused less on trying to kill as many Israelis as possible and more on trying to find a way to maybe take care of it's people.
@@sisandamatomela3272What do you expect Israel to do when the other party shoots rockets at them routinely, parachutes into their land and rapes and murders women openly like predatory animals let loose, promises to do it over and over again, openly states that they will settle for nothing less than the complete annihilation of Israel, refuse to get on the negotiating table for a “two state solution”? And the figures you state are published by Hamas which is a terrorist organization that sanctions rape and mutilation of women. What am I missing here?
if there was a strawman% speedrun, Cenk would hold the uncontested WR.
When will "Destiny" debate someone about the USS Liberty? I would love to see someone try to defend that one...
It’s entertaining when Chunk shakes his head at logic.
While claiming 85 percent of starving people are in one tiny area. When destiny brings up how illogical it is his reply to it's not true "It doesn't matter...." That really sums up Cenk, he doesn't care about reality just talking points.
Yeah And to How Badly He Rejects Truth.
Destiny kicked Cenk's ass and I can tell just from the 30 second preview.
He was more logical than Destiny was. You just don’t want to hear the Palestinian perspective which is the illegal occupation.
Did Destiny just say only not even 30k have been killed. That’s sick man!
Am I stroking out or did Cenk say "Oh Israel can't use that as an excuse forever to hate Palestinians" and then not even 10 minutes later say "Yeah Palestinians are still mad for occupation that started 60 years ago"? Like it's slightly different but also hello? Self awareness?
Well, the occupation is still ongoing
@@shareefkillings5343 As is the threat of Hamas terrorism
It’s a dumb argument but in Cenk’s mind it’s not a contradiction he would just say the oppressed can stay mad forever but the powerful must extend near infinite grace.
@@Crunchy166 No, it's not. Oct 7 was like 4 months ago.
@@shareefkillings5343It isn't an occupation, for the gazillionth time. Palestine is not a place that was occupied.
I busted out laughing when the moderator called chenk a presidential candidate
I’ve never seen a man trying so hard to have a heart attack and so committed to losing debates daily.
I can't take Cenk seriously, the dude is so spontaneous and animated. What a character lmao.
I'd add unthoughtful
The hyperbolic speech cenk uses reminds me of a 5th grader trying to win an argument with his older brother in front of the younger brother's friends. Hilarious
I've actually taught 5th graders: they could run circles around Cenk cognitively.
fr I was just thinking that. Like an overly emotional high schooler on a debate team
“Hey bro come on my show and debate me. I won’t be paying attention at all tho.”
Wow destiny , so proud of you
Before watching, Cenks argument will be long drawn moral statements like, "ooooooh brown men bad, yeah we dont like brown man, little muslim man bad, yeaaaah".
Nailed it
Cenk became popular as a response to post 9/11 jingoism, it makes sense that he's been living in 2006 since then.
I hate how he does that, puts words in his opponents mouths / assumes their stances
@DecayedPony It's a super lazy way to argue. IMO it's all too common today, grand standing on statements nobody disagrees with instead of actually arguing the point. In Cenks defense he does also have arguments, but yeah its annoying and doesn't help his position at all.
Wow, I'm only 10 minutes in. Destiny made his point in 1 quick minute. This other guy is rambling on and on about without a real point. Its almost like he believes whoever talks the most and grandstands is the right one. 😂
Paused at 10 minutes just to write this myself. Was thinking just the same as you!
Cenk’s a blowhard who loves hearing himself talk and knows nothing about history, particularly the history of the Israeli-Palestine conflict.
The last part is so funny😂
narrator is doing a fantastic job.