His haters are just gonna turn around and misconstrue things and say that he is weak because he pulled out due to his inability to finish this race, when he could've passed out behind the wheel, and had a terrible crash. I can't remember which commentator said it, however a mockery joke was made about how his car was at least returning to the garage in one piece
@@jok3r906I haven't seen anyone accusing him of anything. The most spicy comment, as far as I'm aware, was DC at the time of Logan deciding he shouldn't continue.
@@malachis1447 yeah, somehow weird. I mean Hurt me and i runaway and be for the rest of my life scared of humans. But they just like, nah bro hurt me and i drive even faster, what the fuuuuck
Qatar has it's own issues with human rights, etc but it isn't their fault that F1 scheduled them at a ridiculous time and that Pirelli can't make decent tires. It's like blaming Indianapolis for 2005 The 2021 race in November was perfectly fine.
Cockpit temps should be measured. FIA should have a rule to not exceed X amount of heat over a Y time period when Z air moisture content. Passing out can be pretty dangerous and some drivers might not be wise enough to throw in the towel before it's too late.
Just make the cars reduce the overall cockpit temps, period. No unexpected conditions sneak up on you on race day. If everyone is required to do it the same way, no competition advantage gained or lost.
I think it was very brave from Logan to admit than it just wasn't going well and that he stopped in stead of letting his ego tell him he's fine. "what would people think", "I can't stop as my future in F1 is on the line", "Next lap, I'll stop next lap". You did well to stop Logan. Nothing to be ashamed of and anyone who says different clearly doesn't know how to keep their ego in check.
Logan is an absolute idiot for not drinking under these conditions. It's his own fault that he couldn't finish the race. He said before the Singapore Gp he never drinks water during a race, well Logan do you think it might be time to start now?
@@reinier123 lando doesn't drink either its because it makes him sick i would take a guess its the same for logan not also even if he did drink it still wouldnt mater yes it would have some effect but not enough im sure lance drinks and he still passed out behind the wheel it was very dumb to have this race in such extreme heat the car was prob 50 to 60c what would you say if kept going and passed out and hit a barrier at full throttle i bet your anwsered would be different wouldn't it
@@reinier123 the question is why he doesn't usually like to drink during a race. Of course it would be smart to drink during a race and especially when it comes to a hot race. Lets not jump straight into the negative and frankly easy thing to do which is just to blame the guy because he's "stupid". Like @hunterxtwitch mentioned he could be nauseous when doing so or whatever other reason. Lets be open and give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Pointing finger is easy but it doesn't get anyone anywhere.
@@reinier123Logan is far from the only driver who has said he doesn't like to drink in the car. Their reasoning is all the same: the drink is hot, and it can make them feel sick. It's also only 500ml, which isn't nearly enough for normal conditions, let alone this.
42 isn't that old. I think the reason the majority of F1 drivers are so young is not the physical aspect but the mental one. The older drivers are just burned out and retire before getting to that age. Im in my 40s and have been active my whole life and physically i am just as strong and capable as I was in my early 20s.
As Oscar noted after race: The X factor was the fact that they all knew they had to push extra hard during each stint as if every lap was a qualified lap. It wasn’t just the heat…it was that they knew other teams would try to take advantage of the forced 3 stop strategy by pushing hard every lap. That coupled with the heat is what got them
Something I haven't heard people bring up yet: F1 drivers are required to be able to get out of the car within a couple of seconds (forgot the exact value right now). With the condition that Logan or Lance were in they would not have been able to get out of a burning car quickly.
During emergency situations your fight or flight response takes over, a lot of adrenaline is released into your blood stream. So that's not an issue here, if there would have been a fire they could have got out
They should consider adding cool suits to particularly hot races. Obviously it would add weight to the car, but make it a standardized system and make it mandatory in select races, and that problem goes away.
The biggest issue with qatar this year was the double race. Yhe drivers were already drained prior to the sunday race, much like fighters before a fight they have to maintain weight. And as Hamilton has said it himself, in a race he can lose more than 4kg in just water weight. How do you regulate your body temp? Losing water. So not only were they starting to get dehydrated but theyre were already fatigued physically as well. Its just an entire fluster cuck of bad decisions all round.
a double race, AND the Pirelli mandatory lap time for tyres really REALLY made things ever more difficult. all the drivers were racing at basically qualifying pace and intensity for the *entire race duration.* George waving his hands above the steering wheel to ATTEMPT to get some airflow to himself, drivers going with open visors in the pitlane and even during the race itself, Albon stepping out of the car and seeing a torrent of sweat streaming out of his racing suit, it was insane, regrettable, and the FIA and F1 should be ashamed of themselves
@@Lora_Beolab said like someone that's never held a large paycheck in form of a contract you need to fulfill or risk getting sued to oblivion... Logan fulfilled his duties, flat out refusing to race is another story. And I say this as someone that's had to perform when massively unwell or risk getting an entire tour's financial burdens being dropped on me rather than the label.
@rasmuslahti700 You're right, no one forced them to race. They should have been forced not to race. This was totally unsafe, and if you become unconscious at 200 mph, you can't choose to quit.
They couldn't pour water on Alonso during the pit stop because there are rules around adding anything to artificially increase the weight of the driver or car (like for example water). Remember they all get weighed after the race and even pick up rubber marbles during the cool down lap. That's how close they try to run the cars to min weight that even a bit of rubber matters. So yeah they never let a couple of litres of water to be poured in halfway through!
True and a good explanation.... that said safety always trumps rules, especially when they are talking about driver health. IndyCar also has weight and ballast rules, but if there is a pitlane fire those rules dont stop the crew from pouring water on the cars or drivers.
wait a second here... Picking up the marbles and comparing their weight to WHAT? How in the heck are you supposed to determine which car left the marbles? Pretty sure clearing the marbles is more of a safety thing as you don't want stupid sticky tires snatching them up and potentially causing control issues or rubber shrapnel...
@@nunyabidness674 He means the drivers drive over the marbles to collect them again (since they stick to the tyres to some degree - there's a reason the pundits speak of "dirty tyres" after someone was on the marble filled side of the track). They're not collected seperately obviously.
Forcing them to pit every 18 laps meant that they drove almost every lap at quali pace, which is torture even for these pilots. I think FIA needs to stop inventing
The water on Alonso is not allowed by regulations. The reason is that teams have cheated with water cooled brakes in the past. The cars had large water tanks who got empty very quickly during the race and got refilled at the last pitstop. It was to run the car underweight during the race. The cockpit itself can handle water because it has channels to dispose water from the cockpit (during wet races).
ALONSO WAS THERE. Don't Forget 2005 bahrain GP was a day race in a boiling desert not a night one like this and that was the hardest ever in my view. This will be in top 3 surely.
Seeing Russell risking potentially breaking his wrists trying to channel air into the cockpit at 200mph on the main straight, really showed how bad it was. It should have been stopped!
I didn’t even see that wow that’s scary. You can’t let these hungry young contenders make the choice. Like a doctor stopping a fight save the fighter/ athlete from themselves! Very few will quit they don’t want to and they know the negative consequences of doing so
Everyone crying literally needs to man the fuck yo they get paid to fucking do it more than most people and most people struggle with worst conditions at work and get paid a lot less so stfu
When alonso came into the pit after asking for the water, they came at him with the intake blowers (what do we call the leaf blowers they use for the air intakes when they pit the car into the garage?) loaded with dry ice. Honestly, in ~25 seconds, that's a pretty friggin' smart macgyver invention. Problem is, he's only pitting for 2-4 seconds. So there's not a lot you can do with that.
Ice bag into the driver's suit, evaporates after cooling . . . Or is that another North American thing these guys wouldn't consider doing because it's too much "shade tree mechanic" thinking for them?
@@DDS029 On top of not allowed it would knock the driver straight out due to circulatory collapse. Seen it happen four times already with full-plate armor which gets similar temps in the sun.
Your videos always on point, good job. Heat stroke is a REAL medical issue, and very dangerous to have an episode while driving, even worse while doing it at high speed! It's frankly insanity, the heat plus the outfits and helmet, is just adking for a terrible incident on track... this race undoubtedly needs to be rescheduled on the calendar.
Why does no one say "Fix the car!" It is something that would benefit every driver, equally. No one seems to care about the drivers enough to look at the car first.
@@DDS029my guess is that this would be extremely difficult to do. With their suits and helmets the AC would practically have to be inside there to make any difference.... and then the heat generated from the AC would need to go somewhere as well, with cables or whatever everywhere..... You see where im going? And i have 0 clue about all the details going into these cars so prob wayyyyy more issues. Therefore sadly does not seem possible
I’m all for pushing the drivers to the limit but it looks like this was a step too far. If the cars get faster next year which is a real possibility there gonna have to move it to a better time.
Drivers were also calling out teams. Cars have had to shed weight to be competitive. Multiple drivers said the insulation between the battery, engine, and driver were unacceptably low. Cars were venting heat into the cockpit. So if the track was 130F, who knows what the cockpits were, 150F+? And they had 2 races, and the tire limit meant pulling qualifying laps every lap. "Alonso burned his back" that was the power unit burning him, not the track.
For context: Max Verstappens pole lap had an average speed of 236 kmh Monza 2023 pole lap was 260 kmh Main difference between Qatar and Monza is that Qatar isn’t a high speed track it’s a high downforce track
A track not designed for F1 cars which was modified, apparently badly enough that tire stints were mandated. well this is all about the money isn't it? They are direct correlations . Those tire stints had everyone pushing 100% in those crazy hot conditions. That's what should have not happened. Good job to all the race engineers who helped their drivers as best they could.
My husband had a TBI and the compromise for motorsports is codriving in rally. Seeing Lance Stroll after his recent accident in Singapore, its clear hes suffering from at minimum a concussion. I hope he heals but things like this will send him backwards.
God I hadn't thought about that but that could definitely explain his shorter temper as well! TBIs are hell on emotional lability and anger control. Poor guy!
Wow... good point! He seemed like a different person this race. Thank goodness these drivers didn't have to run the race during the day with the sun baking them as well.
Qatar seems to be fine with risking peoples lifes for sport events. Maybe they come up with a giant ventilation for the entire track like they did with the stadiums for the World Cup. At least Max wasn''t dressed in one of this shitty bathrobes that Messi had to wear after the World Cup win.
Verstappen said it wasn’t his toughest race. I wonder if RedBull has a cooler racecar than the others? Checo didn’t look too bad after the race either. On the other end it seemed like the Williams and Aston Martin drivers had a more dire situation than most.
I definitely think the car made a huge difference. Plus depending on where they were in the race/their race situation, some were pushing harder than others which meant the engines were working harder and throwing off more heat, rather than just cruising. Awful! Like being in a burning coffin
It was just at the wrong time of year. F1 set the calendar. I was at the track each day and Friday was nice because of the wind. But everyone moaned about the sand. Yesterday was crazy humid, I was soaked through!
@@F1Unchained I worked here in 2020 organising and running a BMW M240 championship. We started in Jan and finished in time for Ramadan. Perfect racing conditions even during the day.
This crap should be banned. We can't risk the health and the lives of those excellent lads like this every year. If the temperatures at the track exceed certain limits, cancel the damn race or at least postpone it until it cools down.
The thing that surprised me is with the whole medical team they had there, no one took heat into account. If you look at the onboards just about all of the drivers had problems getting out of the car. They all walked away knackered. No one seemed to care for their welfare. Out of all of them it looked like Yuki was in the best shape at the end. When Stroll went to the ambulance, the medic was just sitting in there. Dr. Ian Roberts or someone else should have spoken up that heat stress would be a problem, the medics should have met the drivers at the car to assist them, get them weighed as quickly as possible and they should have a rehydration station set up in the FIA garage. They could have assessed them, brought people like Albon to the medical center for further care etc. FOM and the FIA really dropped the ball on this one.
If you can walk on your own, you just need to rehydrate and get the core temperature down. Not a job for a medic. Look at cycling for example. They are doing exactly this but before short(ish) races like time trials to prepare the body to perform better because your performance goes down when your core temperature gets higher (you can have over 40 °C core temperature just from high intensity activity).
@@JDPhader And if he passes out on the pavement? That's a highly paid athlete getting injured. Preventable. What are those medics getting paid for, playing with their phones?
That may be the point. They had to be told. In a lot of racing series they don't want support teams to act on their own, as to create more problems doing something unexpected. That said, one of the things they should be told is, once all the cars have stopped, check on ALL the drivers and teams. And no support team gets released until every team has been checked with. Sorry to bruise egos, if that's considered a North American thing that doesn't fit your image.
@@JDPhader They don't have the adrenaline drop, which proceeds the BP drop after standing up after not being able to move every part of you body for many hours. (Well, just two in F1. But in the gym, they do do everything they can to lessen everything physically. See how that's working for them?)
This race really goes to show what the end goal for the FIA is at the end of the day: money. It doesn't matter where they race, when they race, how they race, etc, all that matters is if they get paid. They should've held this year's race in November, just as they did in 2021, but they never considered the danger for a moment. Truly disgusting.
Any races with stupid conditions like this need to be held in seasons/time of year safe enough to drive in, simple. I think in 2021 it was held 5-6 weeks later than this season which made all the difference.
Qatar has proved that 'Sprint' race side shows are an expensive mistake that excessively drains the driver's energy over the week end. It's like make a marathon runner sprint a 20 km race & then, a day later, expecting him to set records in a full distance marathon the next day.
I'm sorry but there's NO WAY that Stroll passed out. You don't just temporarily lose consciousness and snap right back into it a second later. He would have stopped racing immediately.
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The night race weather was similar to Singapore but it was the push laps and track that hurt the drivers most. Had the Pirelli tyres lasted longer, the drivers would not have to push like hell. I think the FIA should look into the tyres.
What's also part of the problem is that there is no real cooling for the drivers. The engine is almost directly behind them, the radiators to their sides, and the only cooling they get is done with a hole in the front of the nose, that lets some air in near the pedals, which exits through the cockpit opening. But the hotter the ambient air is the less cooling it provides. If you ride a motorcycle on a particularly hot day, even in Europe, the wind from driving might feel warmer than standing air, instead of colder. That won't quite be the case in an F1 car, but only because the engine is even hotter. Maybe it is time for ACs and an cockpit temperature rule similar to WEC, especially if we keep getting more races in such hot countries
You could tell it was brutal. There was no quick fix. The irony of it all. Those track limit penalties need reviewing again because in some cases, were they going off to stay safe????
No they were going off due to not turning at the right point, or being too fast - If they wanted to stay safe, they would have done what Logan did and retired.
yea the tracklimits made it even tougher cause now instead instead of running a bit wide and be relax about it they wouldve been concentrating on a pesky white line while being cooked. I understood it was hot but I got some perspective after the race and understanding for checo having such an abysmal time in the car racking up multiple time penalties.
@@Jaytaliseas an American we root for Logan but it’s hard to justify his seat. Honestly I respect his decision a lot considering he’s already in danger of losing his seat and support from fans. It’s honestly a shame more didn’t protest this race. Especially considering the title was decided the day before! He did the right thing and it won’t be looked at in this light in the future, but he took that risk to try and be an example for others to do the same. If others had done the same, especially some towards the front of the grind, he’d be being praised right now as he rightfully should be!
One important factor about the limited laps on a set of tires is that they needed to do quali laps for the hole race if they wanted to be competitive. Pushing on the limit for the hole race is extra tiring. Singapore you dont need to do that because one, its hard to pass two, saving tyres for the last stint.
I was surprised FIA didnt't red flag the race when Logant was almost faint and Russell and Norris was opening their wiser during Pitstop. Doesn't FIA bother drivers safety?
Yeah props to Logan to have the courage and end the race before things got ugly. One major factor is also the mandatory stops, so they can push harder. Normally tire wear is the limiting factor in overall race pace, take that away and they can go faster. They went nearly qualifying pace the whole race, where normally they are like 5-10s slower. Just a crazy race Something needs to be done to not let it get worse than this. Only a matter of time until something really bad happens.
the fact that drivers are PASSING OUT while still having to navigate these death machines at speed shows how incredibly irresponsible this race was. FIA really have to reevaluate this one.
The biggest issue with the qatar gp was the timing , for ex you cant make a race in canada in january where its -20 full of snow and then complain its too cold and snowy to race , that doesnt make sense
If sir frank was still alive and in charge of williams, he would've personally congratulated logan for giving it the old college try even if he knew he couldn't continue on.
I really did not think I was gonna see a world karting championship contender nearly lose a foot and an F1 driver nearly lose consciousness ON THE SAME DAY!
Seems like the Williams car might have had more trouble with the heat/air flow than others. Both of them were absolutely in tatters afterward, poor guys
The REAL question is.. Why hasn't F1 adopted the same "Chill Suit" as the Aussie V8 supercars? Can't be affected by outside or cabin temp when you're in your own temperature controlled race suit
Riding a motorcycle in southeast Alabama gets hot. I drink 2 liters of fluid in like 40 minutes in the summer. I can only imagine doing a whole race lying in a heated box. Respect.
Luckily no driver drifted off and had a major crash and FIA revealed 24 races for 2024. As a fan it's too many races! Are they waiting for someone to die? 🤦🏻😱
The thing with Logan is that he's from Florida. The average temp there in the summer is comparable to Qatar, which is the part that's really concerning.
@@F1Unchained I know that, but most drivers on the grid aren't from locations with that sort of weather. That's why it concerns me as much as it does. Drivers don't like getting out of the car, but when it's so bad that quite possibly the only driver who is halfway used to the conditions retires from the race for his health, you've screwed up.
I'm glad nobody was hurt. I feel awful for Seargent. Glad to see the team prioritize his health and safety. Hopefully he has a huge bounce back weekend at his home race
AM not putting ice/water in the car with Alonso was the right. It would feel good, until it got hot. Then he would have been boiling, instead of slowly baking.
This race seems a bit extreme by any standard. - Heat is something that needs to be managed, perhaps mandatory cooling systems for certain races built into cars i.e extra 10-20kg for cooling system for every car. - Perhaps reschedule such hot races to later dates. + such hot races should never have extra sprint race. Drivers had no time to recover from Sprint to GP. - The track is not built for cars, its MotoGP track. LM and FIA want the revenue but not every track and location should be raced (remove the track from calendar). - Mandatory tyre age of 18 laps was an huge failure. Everyone on 99% same strategy and removing any development work done on tyre preservation upgrades. Disappointment of highest level.
Well to be fair, lance probably wasn't any worse at driving while being unconscious. He didnt wreck anyone which I've seen him do many many times while conscious.
The race was made harder by the 18 Lap Limit on tyres. Drivers were constantly pushing due to the lack of tyre management required. So they all had to make maximum use of their rubber within 18 laps. This would have been a normal race otherwise.
Not to disrespect you but that's not what occurred with Lance.. I raced for years winning 212 trophies and being placed in the Talladega racing Hall of Fame... I know exactly what was happening.. the amount of G loading in the corners starts to fatigue the neck.. you've got that damn helmet that weighs fifty pounds in the corners.. what you witnessed was him laying the helmet against the frame to take that weight away... I had to quit a race due to that very issue.. I just couldn't take the heat or the weight of that helmet anymore.. painful!! And your right! They should have never allowed that race to run.. the heat from the asphalt and the exhaust from the motor runs through the chassis.. if it's 100 degrees outside it's 130 on the track.. the track is extremely hot 🔥🥵 This is what his neck and head felt like. 🥵🥵🥵
@@F1Unchained Ideally for me, we’d manage to squeeze one oval race into the F1 calendar, but I’m guessing the speed difference between fastest and slowest would make this just too dangerous. What do you think? I’d love it
They won't do the cool-suits. They'll complain that a driver's size will affect the weight of how much water/refrigerant is needed, and would be unfair, or some other silliness. Plus cool-suits are even hotter when they fail to work.
@DDS029 So the heart rate monitors are OK then. The weight of the cool suits isn't a problem because they adjust for the different weights of the drivers anyway. As for reliability, it's a rare problem that they can also deal with by using a backup system in the suit. You'll be amazed how quickly the FIA move when the safety of their sport is brought into question.
As someone that’s taken a 2 seater IndyCar ride before at full speed, the g-forces open wheel cars can reach is incredible and dangerous. Those clips of the dudes with the loose necks straight up had me sweating bullets
In New Delhi, India it’s over 40 degrees at night in peak summer and even though I do karting regularly, with a helmet and suit on it’s damn near suicidal in those temps, let alone trying anything near as extreme as F1 given those g forces 💀
Respect to Logan and Williams for prioritizing safety
His haters are just gonna turn around and misconstrue things and say that he is weak because he pulled out due to his inability to finish this race, when he could've passed out behind the wheel, and had a terrible crash. I can't remember which commentator said it, however a mockery joke was made about how his car was at least returning to the garage in one piece
Agreed
he'll look back as the guy who quit.
@@arthurdax2474yet no one will accept, nor say that he stopped for his health
@@jok3r906I haven't seen anyone accusing him of anything.
The most spicy comment, as far as I'm aware, was DC at the time of Logan deciding he shouldn't continue.
Lance Stroll:
The only driver in F1 history to IMPROVE while incapacitated
Like I don’t get it hahahah
You need to Hurt him and than he goes faster
@@Jasongilliarkinda like Max & Jos
and to un-prove while racing
@@malachis1447 yeah, somehow weird. I mean Hurt me and i runaway and be for the rest of my life scared of humans. But they just like, nah bro hurt me and i drive even faster, what the fuuuuck
If this wasn't Qatar, the track would be in danger of getting sacked from the calendar. Money talks.
Agreed but money talks
The reason for this track shouldn't be because of money at all. That race was DANGEROUS
Qatar has it's own issues with human rights, etc but it isn't their fault that F1 scheduled them at a ridiculous time and that Pirelli can't make decent tires. It's like blaming Indianapolis for 2005
The 2021 race in November was perfectly fine.
Agreed. Apparently human rights and slaverly are not reasons to cancel a GP. Saudi shouldn’t be on the calendar either.
@@edteach3r Nope Saudi shouldn't be on the calendar either nevermind Qatar.
Cockpit temps should be measured. FIA should have a rule to not exceed X amount of heat over a Y time period when Z air moisture content.
Passing out can be pretty dangerous and some drivers might not be wise enough to throw in the towel before it's too late.
That’s a good idea!
Not a bad idea at all
THAT'S A VERY GOOD IDEA
They should have a compulsory cockpit heat sensor in the car for "hot" races. It was insane to see
Just make the cars reduce the overall cockpit temps, period. No unexpected conditions sneak up on you on race day. If everyone is required to do it the same way, no competition advantage gained or lost.
I think it was very brave from Logan to admit than it just wasn't going well and that he stopped in stead of letting his ego tell him he's fine. "what would people think", "I can't stop as my future in F1 is on the line", "Next lap, I'll stop next lap".
You did well to stop Logan. Nothing to be ashamed of and anyone who says different clearly doesn't know how to keep their ego in check.
Logan is an absolute idiot for not drinking under these conditions. It's his own fault that he couldn't finish the race. He said before the Singapore Gp he never drinks water during a race, well Logan do you think it might be time to start now?
@@reinier123 lando doesn't drink either its because it makes him sick i would take a guess its the same for logan not also even if he did drink it still wouldnt mater yes it would have some effect but not enough im sure lance drinks and he still passed out behind the wheel it was very dumb to have this race in such extreme heat the car was prob 50 to 60c what would you say if kept going and passed out and hit a barrier at full throttle i bet your anwsered would be different wouldn't it
@@reinier123 the question is why he doesn't usually like to drink during a race. Of course it would be smart to drink during a race and especially when it comes to a hot race. Lets not jump straight into the negative and frankly easy thing to do which is just to blame the guy because he's "stupid". Like @hunterxtwitch mentioned he could be nauseous when doing so or whatever other reason. Lets be open and give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Pointing finger is easy but it doesn't get anyone anywhere.
@@reinier123Logan is far from the only driver who has said he doesn't like to drink in the car. Their reasoning is all the same: the drink is hot, and it can make them feel sick. It's also only 500ml, which isn't nearly enough for normal conditions, let alone this.
another shit result from him resulted tho, what a shame
As the latin America commentator said it: if this happened I South America, the FIA would be shocked and doing everything to get rid of the race
Very true
It is the fault of f1 for putting this race at this time. So they won't get rid off it.
Totally agreed.
@okami3995 *coughs in oil money*
@okami3995no human rights in Qatar?!?!? They have lefts too.... this is Israeli propaganda don't believe
Hope there will be time for recovery for Alonso … imagine being 42 and looking the least exhausted driver based on the interview appearence 😮
True Alonso is such an insane athlete
@@F1Unchained His trainer said he has a metabolic/body age of ~32... pretty insane!
42 isn't that old. I think the reason the majority of F1 drivers are so young is not the physical aspect but the mental one. The older drivers are just burned out and retire before getting to that age. Im in my 40s and have been active my whole life and physically i am just as strong and capable as I was in my early 20s.
But he did run really wide 2 times and 1 of them may have beach his car (it could be wind tho)
@@F1Unchained My favourite driver :)
As Oscar noted after race: The X factor was the fact that they all knew they had to push extra hard during each stint as if every lap was a qualified lap. It wasn’t just the heat…it was that they knew other teams would try to take advantage of the forced 3 stop strategy by pushing hard every lap. That coupled with the heat is what got them
Something I haven't heard people bring up yet:
F1 drivers are required to be able to get out of the car within a couple of seconds (forgot the exact value right now).
With the condition that Logan or Lance were in they would not have been able to get out of a burning car quickly.
Thats a very good points. If they cant achieve the exit from the vehicle they arent even allowed to drive.
That’s a good point as well
During emergency situations your fight or flight response takes over, a lot of adrenaline is released into your blood stream. So that's not an issue here, if there would have been a fire they could have got out
@@arpanmahapatra342 hopefully......
7 seconds
They should consider adding cool suits to particularly hot races. Obviously it would add weight to the car, but make it a standardized system and make it mandatory in select races, and that problem goes away.
Agreed it seems like the best solution
The biggest issue with qatar this year was the double race.
Yhe drivers were already drained prior to the sunday race, much like fighters before a fight they have to maintain weight.
And as Hamilton has said it himself, in a race he can lose more than 4kg in just water weight.
How do you regulate your body temp? Losing water. So not only were they starting to get dehydrated but theyre were already fatigued physically as well.
Its just an entire fluster cuck of bad decisions all round.
a double race, AND the Pirelli mandatory lap time for tyres really REALLY made things ever more difficult.
all the drivers were racing at basically qualifying pace and intensity for the *entire race duration.*
George waving his hands above the steering wheel to ATTEMPT to get some airflow to himself, drivers going with open visors in the pitlane and even during the race itself, Albon stepping out of the car and seeing a torrent of sweat streaming out of his racing suit, it was insane, regrettable, and the FIA and F1 should be ashamed of themselves
True this definitely played a factor and didn’t improve drivers health
no one forced them to race, they coul'dve quit any second like Logan
@@Lora_Beolab said like someone that's never held a large paycheck in form of a contract you need to fulfill or risk getting sued to oblivion... Logan fulfilled his duties, flat out refusing to race is another story.
And I say this as someone that's had to perform when massively unwell or risk getting an entire tour's financial burdens being dropped on me rather than the label.
@rasmuslahti700 You're right, no one forced them to race. They should have been forced not to race.
This was totally unsafe, and if you become unconscious at 200 mph, you can't choose to quit.
You can get brain damage in that kind of heat. They pushed it way too far and should never be racing in those conditions again.
They couldn't pour water on Alonso during the pit stop because there are rules around adding anything to artificially increase the weight of the driver or car (like for example water). Remember they all get weighed after the race and even pick up rubber marbles during the cool down lap. That's how close they try to run the cars to min weight that even a bit of rubber matters. So yeah they never let a couple of litres of water to be poured in halfway through!
Great explanation my friend
Rubber pick up is more for ride height than weight.
True and a good explanation.... that said safety always trumps rules, especially when they are talking about driver health. IndyCar also has weight and ballast rules, but if there is a pitlane fire those rules dont stop the crew from pouring water on the cars or drivers.
wait a second here... Picking up the marbles and comparing their weight to WHAT? How in the heck are you supposed to determine which car left the marbles?
Pretty sure clearing the marbles is more of a safety thing as you don't want stupid sticky tires snatching them up and potentially causing control issues or rubber shrapnel...
@@nunyabidness674 He means the drivers drive over the marbles to collect them again (since they stick to the tyres to some degree - there's a reason the pundits speak of "dirty tyres" after someone was on the marble filled side of the track). They're not collected seperately obviously.
Forcing them to pit every 18 laps meant that they drove almost every lap at quali pace, which is torture even for these pilots. I think FIA needs to stop inventing
Petrodollars ensure we will keep racing in the desert, probably more than less.
Fck driver health and human rights issues. Money talks.
You aren't doing anything about it.
Agreed they have money that keeps this going
The water on Alonso is not allowed by regulations. The reason is that teams have cheated with water cooled brakes in the past. The cars had large water tanks who got empty very quickly during the race and got refilled at the last pitstop. It was to run the car underweight during the race. The cockpit itself can handle water because it has channels to dispose water from the cockpit (during wet races).
ALONSO WAS THERE.
Don't Forget 2005 bahrain GP was a day race in a boiling desert not a night one like this and that was the hardest ever in my view.
This will be in top 3 surely.
True that was race was insane
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And 2013 was a day race
@@Jasongilliar so why is it so bad now????
BC the tyre rule, everyone has to push for every lap
@@minghaoliang4311 as racing should be honestly
Seeing Russell risking potentially breaking his wrists trying to channel air into the cockpit at 200mph on the main straight, really showed how bad it was. It should have been stopped!
I didn’t even see that wow that’s scary. You can’t let these hungry young contenders make the choice. Like a doctor stopping a fight save the fighter/ athlete from themselves! Very few will quit they don’t want to and they know the negative consequences of doing so
It won't break his wrist.
@@mohammadzohorul8887 . Well you've clearly never raced open cockpit cars.
That was mind blowing!!!
@@dansegelov305 200mph wind isn’t breaking anyone’s wrists
This was attempted murder from the FIA
Very true
Drivers must be able to get out of their car within seconds. A couple of them were unable to do this at the end of their race.
Exaggerate much? Irresponsible and shortsighted yes but attempted murder??? Come on!!!
Everyone crying literally needs to man the fuck yo they get paid to fucking do it more than most people and most people struggle with worst conditions at work and get paid a lot less so stfu
When alonso came into the pit after asking for the water, they came at him with the intake blowers (what do we call the leaf blowers they use for the air intakes when they pit the car into the garage?) loaded with dry ice. Honestly, in ~25 seconds, that's a pretty friggin' smart macgyver invention. Problem is, he's only pitting for 2-4 seconds. So there's not a lot you can do with that.
Ice bag into the driver's suit, evaporates after cooling . . . Or is that another North American thing these guys wouldn't consider doing because it's too much "shade tree mechanic" thinking for them?
@@DDS029 Not allowed to add weight to the car like that. Same reason pouring water wasn't even a consideration.
@@DDS029 On top of not allowed it would knock the driver straight out due to circulatory collapse. Seen it happen four times already with full-plate armor which gets similar temps in the sun.
Almost like building a track in the middle of a desert wasn't a great idea 🤓
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Heat stroke is a REAL medical issue, and very dangerous to have an episode while driving, even worse while doing it at high speed! It's frankly insanity, the heat plus the outfits and helmet, is just adking for a terrible incident on track... this race undoubtedly needs to be rescheduled on the calendar.
❤️❤️ definitely thabkfully next year it is
Why does no one say "Fix the car!" It is something that would benefit every driver, equally. No one seems to care about the drivers enough to look at the car first.
@@DDS029my guess is that this would be extremely difficult to do. With their suits and helmets the AC would practically have to be inside there to make any difference.... and then the heat generated from the AC would need to go somewhere as well, with cables or whatever everywhere.....
You see where im going? And i have 0 clue about all the details going into these cars so prob wayyyyy more issues.
Therefore sadly does not seem possible
I’m all for pushing the drivers to the limit but it looks like this was a step too far. If the cars get faster next year which is a real possibility there gonna have to move it to a better time.
Same thinking as me
Drivers were also calling out teams. Cars have had to shed weight to be competitive. Multiple drivers said the insulation between the battery, engine, and driver were unacceptably low. Cars were venting heat into the cockpit. So if the track was 130F, who knows what the cockpits were, 150F+? And they had 2 races, and the tire limit meant pulling qualifying laps every lap. "Alonso burned his back" that was the power unit burning him, not the track.
Leclerc is wrong, he forgot Alonso has been in F1 since forever and the 2005 bahrain gp was held in 42 degrees.
For context:
Max Verstappens pole lap had an average speed of 236 kmh
Monza 2023 pole lap was 260 kmh
Main difference between Qatar and Monza is that Qatar isn’t a high speed track it’s a high downforce track
Williams was awesome on the interview this week. Supper real stuff out of that team this weekend. Love it.
Let's not forget Piastri was very whipped from the whole ordeal and you can see the drain in him during the post-race interview.
Absolutely
A track not designed for F1 cars which was modified, apparently badly enough that tire stints were mandated. well this is all about the money isn't it? They are direct correlations . Those tire stints had everyone pushing 100% in those crazy hot conditions. That's what should have not happened. Good job to all the race engineers who helped their drivers as best they could.
Absolutely
Tire problems were entirely Pirelli's fault. 2005 US GP was Michelin's fault, not the tracks problem.
@@paperplane-db8qfNo, it wasn't. Pirelli warned the FIA six months ago that Qatar's kerbs were an issue.
My husband had a TBI and the compromise for motorsports is codriving in rally. Seeing Lance Stroll after his recent accident in Singapore, its clear hes suffering from at minimum a concussion. I hope he heals but things like this will send him backwards.
Exactly. It’s a dangerous mix
God I hadn't thought about that but that could definitely explain his shorter temper as well! TBIs are hell on emotional lability and anger control. Poor guy!
Yup it's annoying to watch people be so judgemental over one incident.@@bethanyoffutt1889
Wow... good point! He seemed like a different person this race. Thank goodness these drivers didn't have to run the race during the day with the sun baking them as well.
Qatar seems to be fine with risking peoples lifes for sport events. Maybe they come up with a giant ventilation for the entire track like they did with the stadiums for the World Cup. At least Max wasn''t dressed in one of this shitty bathrobes that Messi had to wear after the World Cup win.
They got the money for it
Verstappen said it wasn’t his toughest race. I wonder if RedBull has a cooler racecar than the others? Checo didn’t look too bad after the race either.
On the other end it seemed like the Williams and Aston Martin drivers had a more dire situation than most.
IIRC Max looked way more tired after the first Miami GP. So, there is a possibility that after that race RB redesign their cockpit airflow.
I definitely think the car made a huge difference. Plus depending on where they were in the race/their race situation, some were pushing harder than others which meant the engines were working harder and throwing off more heat, rather than just cruising. Awful! Like being in a burning coffin
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It was just at the wrong time of year. F1 set the calendar.
I was at the track each day and Friday was nice because of the wind. But everyone moaned about the sand.
Yesterday was crazy humid, I was soaked through!
Yeah the month definitely didn’t help
@@F1Unchained I worked here in 2020 organising and running a BMW M240 championship. We started in Jan and finished in time for Ramadan.
Perfect racing conditions even during the day.
This crap should be banned. We can't risk the health and the lives of those excellent lads like this every year. If the temperatures at the track exceed certain limits, cancel the damn race or at least postpone it until it cools down.
The thing that surprised me is with the whole medical team they had there, no one took heat into account. If you look at the onboards just about all of the drivers had problems getting out of the car. They all walked away knackered. No one seemed to care for their welfare. Out of all of them it looked like Yuki was in the best shape at the end. When Stroll went to the ambulance, the medic was just sitting in there. Dr. Ian Roberts or someone else should have spoken up that heat stress would be a problem, the medics should have met the drivers at the car to assist them, get them weighed as quickly as possible and they should have a rehydration station set up in the FIA garage. They could have assessed them, brought people like Albon to the medical center for further care etc. FOM and the FIA really dropped the ball on this one.
If you can walk on your own, you just need to rehydrate and get the core temperature down. Not a job for a medic. Look at cycling for example. They are doing exactly this but before short(ish) races like time trials to prepare the body to perform better because your performance goes down when your core temperature gets higher (you can have over 40 °C core temperature just from high intensity activity).
@@JDPhader
And if he passes out on the pavement? That's a highly paid athlete getting injured. Preventable. What are those medics getting paid for, playing with their phones?
That may be the point. They had to be told. In a lot of racing series they don't want support teams to act on their own, as to create more problems doing something unexpected.
That said, one of the things they should be told is, once all the cars have stopped, check on ALL the drivers and teams. And no support team gets released until every team has been checked with.
Sorry to bruise egos, if that's considered a North American thing that doesn't fit your image.
@@JDPhader They don't have the adrenaline drop, which proceeds the BP drop after standing up after not being able to move every part of you body for many hours. (Well, just two in F1. But in the gym, they do do everything they can to lessen everything physically. See how that's working for them?)
I can’t imagine a little water would have hurt the car considering that rain exists
Imagine the tirade that Sir Jackie Stewart would've unleashed. He has seen some pretty horrific stuff.
im allready sweating when playing with my racing sim rig at home cant imagine what it would be like driving at those G levels in a desert
These guys are closer to fighter pilots then they are car drivers. So leaving it up to them to determin how far they should safely push is a BAD IDEA.
This race really goes to show what the end goal for the FIA is at the end of the day: money.
It doesn't matter where they race, when they race, how they race, etc, all that matters is if they get paid. They should've held this year's race in November, just as they did in 2021, but they never considered the danger for a moment. Truly disgusting.
Any races with stupid conditions like this need to be held in seasons/time of year safe enough to drive in, simple. I think in 2021 it was held 5-6 weeks later than this season which made all the difference.
Exactly the timing was bad
@@F1Unchainedit’s weird because on Friday the weather was perfectly fine but on Sunday the weather was horrible.
There are at least a Billion Dollars, I mean Reasons why the Qatar GP will remain.
Qatar has proved that 'Sprint' race side shows are an expensive mistake that excessively drains the driver's energy over the week end. It's like make a marathon runner sprint a 20 km race & then, a day later, expecting him to set records in a full distance marathon the next day.
Qatar gp should be cancelled
I'm sorry but there's NO WAY that Stroll passed out. You don't just temporarily lose consciousness and snap right back into it a second later. He would have stopped racing immediately.
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The night race weather was similar to Singapore but it was the push laps and track that hurt the drivers most. Had the Pirelli tyres lasted longer, the drivers would not have to push like hell. I think the FIA should look into the tyres.
in temps like that no way HEALTH AND SAFETY AT WORK.
thank you kind sir.
Stroll drove better unconscious than conscious
Time of year, temperatures, kerbs etc the Qatar should be taken off the calendar
What's also part of the problem is that there is no real cooling for the drivers. The engine is almost directly behind them, the radiators to their sides, and the only cooling they get is done with a hole in the front of the nose, that lets some air in near the pedals, which exits through the cockpit opening. But the hotter the ambient air is the less cooling it provides. If you ride a motorcycle on a particularly hot day, even in Europe, the wind from driving might feel warmer than standing air, instead of colder. That won't quite be the case in an F1 car, but only because the engine is even hotter.
Maybe it is time for ACs and an cockpit temperature rule similar to WEC, especially if we keep getting more races in such hot countries
You could tell it was brutal.
There was no quick fix. The irony of it all. Those track limit penalties need reviewing again because in some cases, were they going off to stay safe????
No they were going off due to not turning at the right point, or being too fast - If they wanted to stay safe, they would have done what Logan did and retired.
True imagine not seeing at high speed
yea the tracklimits made it even tougher cause now instead instead of running a bit wide and be relax about it they wouldve been concentrating on a pesky white line while being cooked. I understood it was hot but I got some perspective after the race and understanding for checo having such an abysmal time in the car racking up multiple time penalties.
@@Jaytaliseas an American we root for Logan but it’s hard to justify his seat. Honestly I respect his decision a lot considering he’s already in danger of losing his seat and support from fans. It’s honestly a shame more didn’t protest this race. Especially considering the title was decided the day before! He did the right thing and it won’t be looked at in this light in the future, but he took that risk to try and be an example for others to do the same. If others had done the same, especially some towards the front of the grind, he’d be being praised right now as he rightfully should be!
One important factor about the limited laps on a set of tires is that they needed to do quali laps for the hole race if they wanted to be competitive. Pushing on the limit for the hole race is extra tiring. Singapore you dont need to do that because one, its hard to pass two, saving tyres for the last stint.
True I do love when drivers push but a humid race like this and the amount of laps is crazy
The whole race was a disaster, the race shouldnt have gone ahead. So many risks and drivers saying that several drivers fainted post race
I was surprised FIA didnt't red flag the race when Logant was almost faint and Russell and Norris was opening their wiser during Pitstop. Doesn't FIA bother drivers safety?
This was down to Pirelli not allowing tyre management all drivers were pushing the whole race it was like 3 mini sprint races all together.
They couldn't. The serrated kerbs on the track were a problem Pirelli warned the FIA about six months ago.
Yeah props to Logan to have the courage and end the race before things got ugly.
One major factor is also the mandatory stops, so they can push harder. Normally tire wear is the limiting factor in overall race pace, take that away and they can go faster. They went nearly qualifying pace the whole race, where normally they are like 5-10s slower.
Just a crazy race
Something needs to be done to not let it get worse than this. Only a matter of time until something really bad happens.
If it happened anywhere else than the middel east, the race would have been stopped and the track would never be put on the calander ever again
Agreed
the fact that drivers are PASSING OUT while still having to navigate these death machines at speed shows how incredibly irresponsible this race was. FIA really have to reevaluate this one.
Please adjust the volume of the intro. It is too loud again.
Drowsy? Yes. Exhausted? Yes. Unconscious? No. Nope.
I think it was a mistake for F1 to have driven there at that time... in fact, I believe it's a flagrant disregard to pilot safety to have done so.
Absolutely because of the lack of cooling
The biggest issue with the qatar gp was the timing , for ex you cant make a race in canada in january where its -20 full of snow and then complain its too cold and snowy to race , that doesnt make sense
Two things that rarely collide in the same sentence.... "Lance Stroll" and "great race"
If sir frank was still alive and in charge of williams, he would've personally congratulated logan for giving it the old college try even if he knew he couldn't continue on.
I can only imagine the heat. This is definitely the hardest race for most of them
It is stupid that they even had to go through this in the first place. NASCAR is run by a bunch of idiots, but even they would have handled it better.
Tyres would have played a part in the struggles, as alot of the drivers said they done 57 qualy lap because of pirellis shitty tyres.
Agreed
I really did not think I was gonna see a world karting championship contender nearly lose a foot and an F1 driver nearly lose consciousness ON THE SAME DAY!
True the karting accident was awful
Albon needed help getting out of his car and didn’t do post race interviews.. I hope he’s alright
Seems like the Williams car might have had more trouble with the heat/air flow than others. Both of them were absolutely in tatters afterward, poor guys
Alonso couldn't get water because of parc fermé rules.
The REAL question is.. Why hasn't F1 adopted the same "Chill Suit" as the Aussie V8 supercars? Can't be affected by outside or cabin temp when you're in your own temperature controlled race suit
id be so mad if i get to COTA and the race in cancelled because of the heat id be pissed
I don’t think it will I’d be mad too
Riding a motorcycle in southeast Alabama gets hot. I drink 2 liters of fluid in like 40 minutes in the summer. I can only imagine doing a whole race lying in a heated box. Respect.
Fair enough
Luckily no driver drifted off and had a major crash and FIA revealed 24 races for 2024.
As a fan it's too many races! Are they waiting for someone to die? 🤦🏻😱
The thing with Logan is that he's from Florida. The average temp there in the summer is comparable to Qatar, which is the part that's really concerning.
He was sick tho
@@F1Unchained I know that, but most drivers on the grid aren't from locations with that sort of weather. That's why it concerns me as much as it does. Drivers don't like getting out of the car, but when it's so bad that quite possibly the only driver who is halfway used to the conditions retires from the race for his health, you've screwed up.
you know f1 car's get rained on, what u mean they didnt pour water on him for the electronics??
I'm glad nobody was hurt. I feel awful for Seargent. Glad to see the team prioritize his health and safety. Hopefully he has a huge bounce back weekend at his home race
AM not putting ice/water in the car with Alonso was the right. It would feel good, until it got hot. Then he would have been boiling, instead of slowly baking.
That’s a good point
@F1Unchained it happened in a NASCAR race in the late 90s. I think it was Ricky Rudd, but I could be wrong.
This race seems a bit extreme by any standard.
- Heat is something that needs to be managed, perhaps mandatory cooling systems for certain races built into cars i.e extra 10-20kg for cooling system for every car.
- Perhaps reschedule such hot races to later dates. + such hot races should never have extra sprint race. Drivers had no time to recover from Sprint to GP.
- The track is not built for cars, its MotoGP track. LM and FIA want the revenue but not every track and location should be raced (remove the track from calendar).
- Mandatory tyre age of 18 laps was an huge failure. Everyone on 99% same strategy and removing any development work done on tyre preservation upgrades. Disappointment of highest level.
Too many wrong things in this GP. Its a shame that FIA couldn't prevent this situation a put in risk the drivers life
Agreed
I don't care how much money they're funneling into F1, Qatar should never be on the F1 calendar.
The fact that he has a Cognizant logo on his helmet while passing out.
Well to be fair, lance probably wasn't any worse at driving while being unconscious. He didnt wreck anyone which I've seen him do many many times while conscious.
LOL you ain’t wrong
Stroll doesn't crash into other drivers any more frequently than Lewis, Max, Perez, etc.
He mostly crashes on his own or is just slow.
The race was made harder by the 18 Lap Limit on tyres. Drivers were constantly pushing due to the lack of tyre management required. So they all had to make maximum use of their rubber within 18 laps. This would have been a normal race otherwise.
I was curious because they have raced here for years. Nascar temps reach 135-150* f supposedly
In other classes of racing drivers wear cool suits so make a safety allowance for a cool suits
Shameful. Race control should have called it off - not worth risking the lives of these young men just for TV $$$.
They should ban any sports activity in these places. 1 the heat 2 the crowed have you seen the crowed at the race , it was dead . 3 human rights .
Remember this when people say the desert has a "dry" heat.
Lewis looked knackered after… 300m lol😂
Not to disrespect you but that's not what occurred with Lance.. I raced for years winning 212 trophies and being placed in the Talladega racing Hall of Fame... I know exactly what was happening.. the amount of G loading in the corners starts to fatigue the neck.. you've got that damn helmet that weighs fifty pounds in the corners.. what you witnessed was him laying the helmet against the frame to take that weight away... I had to quit a race due to that very issue.. I just couldn't take the heat or the weight of that helmet anymore.. painful!!
And your right! They should have never allowed that race to run.. the heat from the asphalt and the exhaust from the motor runs through the chassis.. if it's 100 degrees outside it's 130 on the track.. the track is extremely hot 🔥🥵
This is what his neck and head felt like. 🥵🥵🥵
i really liked this harder typa racing "the oldscholl" style
I like old school and always pushing but not too the point they can’t function
actually i think exactly this slim point makes it a real high intesity sport@@F1Unchained
Banking is what some F1 tracks need. Zandvoort is a perfect example of banking used well
Agreed I love the banking in zandvoort
@@F1Unchained Ideally for me, we’d manage to squeeze one oval race into the F1 calendar, but I’m guessing the speed difference between fastest and slowest would make this just too dangerous. What do you think? I’d love it
Miniature air conditioning inside the helmets would sort this out. It's already happening in American college football.
That’s sick didn’t know that
@@F1Unchained Tigeraire is the company name. There are one or two others that provide motorcycle helmet versions as well!
They could make heart rate monitors compulsory. They could even have coolant undersuits which have circulating refrigerant liquids.
Both great suggestions
They won't do the cool-suits. They'll complain that a driver's size will affect the weight of how much water/refrigerant is needed, and would be unfair, or some other silliness. Plus cool-suits are even hotter when they fail to work.
@DDS029 So the heart rate monitors are OK then.
The weight of the cool suits isn't a problem because they adjust for the different weights of the drivers anyway. As for reliability, it's a rare problem that they can also deal with by using a backup system in the suit.
You'll be amazed how quickly the FIA move when the safety of their sport is brought into question.
As someone that’s taken a 2 seater IndyCar ride before at full speed, the g-forces open wheel cars can reach is incredible and dangerous. Those clips of the dudes with the loose necks straight up had me sweating bullets
Stupid weekend to have a sprint race as well
In New Delhi, India it’s over 40 degrees at night in peak summer and even though I do karting regularly, with a helmet and suit on it’s damn near suicidal in those temps, let alone trying anything near as extreme as F1 given those g forces 💀