Exactly what I thought when he said that. If they're so safe, why are you going around trying to redesign everything that made them so safe? Not even improving upon those regulations, just ignoring them all together....
My first thought when I heard him say that was "Yeah subs are safe because they were being built by people who didn't disregard safety like you do" lmao
The rest of the sub industry must be so pissed. Maintain the strictest safety standards for decades, only for this dude to come along and ruin the record for everybody.
It's really disingenuous to say that 15 million people have gone in a private commercial sub, when the vast majority of those are just plastic bubbles that go anywhere from basically zero depth to about 200ft. That's like saying that kids jumping on a trampoline are space explorers and including them in your statistics.
@honestkyn718 True, and if they had invested in a ton of plasteel instead of carbon fiber for a hull, they probably would still be alive today. Sad that even a computer game has better blueprints than them.
I served in the US Navy on two different Submarines. They are safe because of a program called SUBSAFE which was created after the loss of the USS Thresher. I was part of that program. Mr. Rush was just reckless and just after profit not ensuring the safety of his passemgers.
@trollman591 I kinda get where his attitude comes from. I see it a lot among the lower levels of the engineering community and especially from the ones who have never actually done the things they are doing engineering work to design. Its not so much about greed and being reckless, its more often from people who are dreamers at heart that couldnt achieve their lifes dream. I see it all the time where, after failing and/or coming to accept they will not fulfill one goal they turn to another with a passionate vehemence. Its not malicious or reckless per se, though it is very closely related to that. Rather, its the desperation to achieve something. I think this guy just wanted it so much and wasnt willing to take the time to make it work or find the flaws. He ignored the fundamental lessons in engineering because he arrogantly believed he simply knew better and his desperation to achieve it just let him blindly push on. Its sad because aviation is repleate with examples of why we dont rush new designs. Just look and the de havilland comet for a perfect cross comparison to the titan. An emtirely new design and technology built using a mix of new and old ideas and pushed into service without any extensive testing. A body count is the inevitable result. Whats a shame is that the technology behind the sub could very well have done what stockton wanted it to do had it gotten more research and development. But he didnt want to take that time, he wanted it now. Well, he got it and he made the most critical mistake in engineering, he tested to failure with his own life.
jaque picard dove into mariana trenchat least double the depth he built a steel sphere, with 4 inches wall thickness a sphere what is way more suitable geometry diving a few meter already the pressure can be sensed in the ear these depths are just unimaginable the pressure
Oceangate has been manipulated, something is down there guys, something we should not know, they stopped him from finding out. Wake up, the darknet has multiple whistleblower leaks. he found something down there.
That's what I have been mumbling the entire time I heard him say it. "Dude, the physics do not care about you breaking the box." I can see how tempting it is to believe yourself to be revolutionary, that the whole industry are just oldies sticking together... but the only thing he managed to do is prove them right.
He set the record as the first occupied submersible implosion in history. (There have been submarines that have imploded, but those a different type of craft)
Exactly. If you say "this is the safest thing" and also "there's too much regulation on this thing" then I just assume you're a total idiot, because unless you can do TONS of tests to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that the regulations are indeed too strict and can be relaxed without making the thing dangerous.
Stockton was not surrounded with yes men. There were multiple staff and engineering partners like boeing and even their third party manufacturer of the carbon hull that warned him the hull WILL eventually fail, and that the manufacturer who were leading CF experts but it was their first time to make a hull of their design. Stockton chose to ignore their warnings, even to the point of removing them from their position because they said things that did not align with what he wanted to hear.
I've had a lot of bosses like Rush: they're so used to convincing investors and charming staff that they eventually think they can bullshit nature herself.
They attribute too much credit to themselves when things go right. Thinking that X number of dives without resolving problem Y must mean that Y must not have been a big problem and I'm smart for having discovered that--what else can I be smart for disregarding? Starting company X and having hundreds of people look to me for guidance must mean I'm the one who knows what's right and it's my unique decision making that is driving that success. I found the cheat code.
He used the ''Submersibles are the safest vehicle'' line a lot without realizing that the why they are so safe was because of the rules he was breaking.
Well Stockton Was Partially Right But Unlike Most Engineers Who Are Impaired By Safety Standards Didn't Have Better Safety Standards To Replace The Existing Ones With
Exactly! The TRUTH! Can't stand these arrogant people who insist on flouting the rules, because you're absolutely right every one of those rules was written because people died. So anyone arrogant flouting these important rules wisdom and prior knowledge is truly a heinous person because he is in delusion not reality, no matter what he cons himself or others with his lies irresponsibility and nonsense
"At some point safety is just pure waste." Welp, that's the last thing I would want to hear from someone designing a vessel going to the bottom of the ocean! Redundancy is the key to true safety.
Well, if you look throughout history the biggest scientific breakthroughs have been accomplished while ignoring safety and quite a few people paid the price as a result. Early experiments regarding atomic power were done without any proper safety measures partially because they didn't know and partially because they thought they could handle it. Do you think it was a good idea to use a screwdriver in the demon core incident? It definitely wasn't but they did it anyway and the person holding the screwdriver died a pretty horrific death. He was warned about it before but did it anyway. As a result they learned the effects of deadly doses of radiation and what it will do to your body. This thing here was also pretty stupid but hey, things definitely have been learned as a result and every single person who was on that sub signed papers which multiple times mentioned the risk of death and that it was and experimental vehicle. Sooooo....
@nodlimax I was speaking for myself, if others want to die so we can all learn stuff from it then that’s up to them. Though in this particular case I think human trials were not necessary to realize his design was destined to fail. Plenty of other stuff is not as obvious and may actually need risk to discover the limits, Stockton Rush was too full of hubris to recognize the difference.
@nodlimaxLMAO it was abundantly clear - to any non-egomaniac engineer - that his design was a disaster. We know this from multiple internal & external sources. The lack of submarine accidents in recent decades is *precisely because* of regulations - designed in response to earlier disasters. He wasn't a pioneer: he was an idiot determined to prove the hard-earned prior experience of others was wrong, like a toddler having a tantrum because he couldn't have his own way. Now he's fish food. Sham it wasn't just him.
Safety is a waste, that's why the designers of the Titanic put a few lifeboats onboard. Safety wasn't an issue, AND SO, THE TITANIC TOOK A "DIVE". What the he'll was he thinking ??? Safety isn't an issue, yeah well, I wouldn't have gone on the Titan if they paid ME to go on that submersible.🙄
I think that'll be the tag line of the 21st century, for whatever posterity will be left one day😂 too many too stupid people worth too much money. Dunning-Kruger on crystal meth, that's how humanity will be remembered by whatever species evolves to interpret our scribblings after us🎉
@kestrimurgel5155I mean, that doesn't preclude a tombstone on an empty grave, which if found by an archaeologist without context would tell a hell of a story.
The way he piggy backed the safety record of all other submersibles to “prove” theirs was safe while not following any of their safety protocols is staggering.
Yeah it's like saying that elevators are the safest way to move around and then throwing yourself in an elevator shaft with some bubble wrap around yourself.
@Michael-yc5bp Ok making an elevator with some bed springs at the bottom and a rope that can only handle exactly the amount of weight required for the passengers. He was making something similar to the real thing, but without understanding multiuse stresses on materials such as carbon fibre and aluminium etc.
@MONEYBAGARTS Haha, he was being a stupid guy for sure. Might as well be looking for nemo with his level of understanding of physics. No nemo to be found but his body and those others to be for sure.
Boeing's reputation as well aged like fucking milk ever since they bought out McDonnell Douglas in 1997. Before that was safety first, now it's all profit, eventually leading to the 737 MAX's brand new circus industry.
Boeing ain't a saint when it come to vehicular safety designs. BUT, one has to note that Boeing had minimal collaboration with OceanGate in the *_initial_* designing stages of the Titan before the Pandemic. In fact OceanGate had ignored Boeings suggestions about thicker hull thickness and extra weaving patterns. Then when the Pandemic and 737 Max crisis happened, they had bigger worries than dealing with a recalcitrant submersible operation.
His entire business model was based on "if I can't go to space, I'm going to try convince everyone else space is dumb so I can still be a celebrated pioneer in _something."_
It is quite unfortunate too. The ocean is filled with some pretty cool stuff, but this idiot likely scared off a bunch of people who might have been interested in exploring it.
OMG , wouldn't even want to THINK about the nightmare he would design to fly the skies...🤔🤔😗😮😮😮😖😖 cringe worthy , the very thought of him . I think he was watching too much Star Trek to think that HE could accomplish in this century what Star Trek accomplished in the 24th century. He needed to be REAL not watching cartoons and thinking "I could do that " attitude. 😖😖 WHAT was he going to do ? Design an actual STARSHIP to fly passengers around the globe ? 😄😃😃😆
@paulbrookes413 He would launch it in international waters, like his dumb and unsafe sub! There you can't regulate it! There's a reason he was able to do what he did and that was finding a space where regulators and safety inspectors etc. have no say!
It's funny too, because he drew a parallel to SpaceX and people telling them they were nuts. I think the difference is, the fact that the materials that SpaceX use unconventionally in their starship design were considered nuts because it was too heavy and the added strength wasn't needed. Over-engineered use of simple materials, meaning loss of efficiency. Rush did the opposite. He was nuts for using materials that were too weak for the application, likely because of the desired cost & weight savings.
@en0n126 Yep! It is ok to be out of the box, just sometimes you can be too far out of that box. If you flirt with the edge too much you usually end up dead.
Stockton seems like he was told by a Greek oracle how he'd die. Knowing his classics, he didn't bother trying to avoid this fate, he just set out to give interviews that would seem as ironic and foreboding as possible after his death. "It's a once in a lifetime opportunity. We'll make sure of it."
I mean his whole life was a series of failures and him “choosing” something else to focus on… that he would later also fail at. That was the constant throughout his career.
From a person with 25 years of submarine experience….Stockon said subs are statistically the safest vehicle for travel. What he failed to realize is subs have a nearly flawless record of safety because EVERYTHING is procedure driven and deliberate with safety as the number 1 priority
@Thundersnowdawg I mean I get it…we wouldn’t advance technologically as a society without innovation so I applaud him for pushing the boundaries. If it was just him involved it would have been just an unfortunate accident. He, however, put other people’s lives in danger and profited from It. Those unsuspecting people may have asked more questions or just said “nope” if they knew the corners he was cutting. Makes you wonder how many other companies have this kind of practice.
@shawnp601 yeah. I agree. I can see thinking outside the box and doing scientific experiments for innovation. True. The only thing is he refused to admit that he was in the experiment phase, and shouldn't have had paying consumers so he could afford his experiment. That was gross. And then when he heard all the cracking, he should've cancelled all rides. Like you said, he should've only risked his life. 😥
It's cuz the people that make them are the ones that are going to pilot them and they REALLY don't want to die. If everything we built operated on that belief everything would be alot safer in life. Gonna build a new experimental airplane? Okay, YOU will be in the cockpit on the flights. New food additive? YOU will be the one eating it for the next few years to see what happens. The people that make money would be much more careful when selling their goods if it was THEIR lives on the line.
Stockman Rush wanted to be remembered as someone who broke the rules to accomplish something deemed impossible. Now he’ll forever be remembered as the reason why rules exist in the first place and why they shouldn’t be broken.
There is more to it than that. Also there are plenty of examples of breaking rules leading to better outcomes. That is such a flat, black and white statement. We don't live in that kind of world.
wrong. let me guess you aren't well educated but pretend to be smart from RUclips jr college? "breaking the rules" in today's corporate america of bailouts and funny money? sure but nobody dies with this. I can't fix stupid so just go back to your bong and smoke dat weed
I had been hoping that before the submersible imploded the creator had had a long moment of clear understanding that it was going to fail. A groan of buckling structure or something. Just so he would have known what the price of his hubris was before oblivion.
@Apoplexy1000sadly, he was toothpaste within nanoseconds. His optic and audio nerves would have been atomized long before they could transmit the catastrophic signal.
@Apoplexy1000 contrary to what people are posting here, they were out of contact with the surface and in an uncontrolled descent in the pitch black for 10 - 15 minutes before it imploded. And while you might be going, oh haha he did get time to think about it, remember, so did 4 other innocent people. A kid and his dad... forced to hug and think about mom and beg their God for one more chance to see her. It doesn't matter if he was a billionaire, he was still real; he was still meat with feelings like the rest of us.
the controller is really the least offensive part of this entire shitshow, and i really wish the media didnt focus on it as much, because there were far more devastating and idiotic solutions put into place for this submarine than something thats actually been used by other submarines, including some that carry nuclear warheads.
LOL they didn't even use a ps2 controller they actually have good standards they were quite literally the standard even now at its most fundamental level. They used those early 2000's Logitech controller you found in your closest mega supermarket that don't deal in actual electronics.
An engineering degree does not imply intelligence. I am living proof of that. I want you to know that my capacity for stupidity is quite great and involves several fields. Knowing your limits and a tiny dose of humility will keep you alive.
I can agree with this. I work for a company that makes some of the largest mills available in the Western hemisphere. I have been witness to engineers fucking up a $500,000 part and millions worth of machine equipment Thankfully I haven't personally witnessed any injuries and there been no deaths thanks to several layers of verification and safety
Don't forget the use of long known safety rules and what industry would call ppe - personal protection equipment. Stuff like glasses for your eyes, appropriate gloves, and hearing protection. Oxygen masks for air limited spaces. Those things. You don't ignore that stuff because it's annoying, it's there to make sure you go home in the same condition you got to work in.
I wouldn't be surprised if he somehow was responsible for the Titanic itself going down via accidental time travel shenanigans at the point of his bath toys implosion.
@judithstrachan9399 Don't forget "Heaven's Gate". That group thought they were going be with aliens. Whether underwater or outer space, both were screwed.
I thought about that also. Frankly, it was quite fatuous to choose a name that denotes failure! I also learned long ago that when someone says "Trust me" often, that's a red flag. Even if I was a billionaire, I wouldn't pay that kind of fare ($250 million per person!) Especially when there are already probably hundreds of pictures of the RMS Titanic in several museums from previous expeditions to her gravesite. Why go down to dangerous depths where it's completely black and difficult to see anything! Yeah, I know bathysphere's have search-lights on them but still, what more did they expect to see that hasn't already been available to see in museums -- pure avaricious folly!
That's not what happened. His estranged aunt made up that story so they would point cameras at her. His mother was still on board the Polar Prince at the time and had no access to the media. Once she got back on land, she said he was excited to go. He was even planning to set a record for the deepest rubix cube ever solved.
The hubris is astounding.The desirefor building cities under the ocean and on mars instead of trying not to ruin the one place that is suitable for humans.
Yeah and also I think it’s just in humans DNA to spread out and “manifest destiny” as far as we can, just occupy as much space as we possibly can, either on earth or in space. Very odd and counterproductive.
The best comment I've seen about this: The difference between space and land is 1 atmosphere. The difference between the ocean and land is hundreds of atmospheres.
She worked with him in the company and the one responsible for comms on the other boat, she was fully involved in this and knew the risks/danger of what they were doing
She was his business partner.An apology would have helped redeem her, but she's never offered so much as an acknowledgement of the devastation her husband and her caused.
@awkwardcultism absolutly not, billionaires only deserve this. They gather all the wealth and resources for them while everybody else is having a rough time to just make a living. They are the cruel one thinking only about them self and ammasing so much wealth it 's pointless and they could not even use all of it in 2 lifetime.
"when the sun extinguishes" the earth would have already been turn into a hellish molten surface planet by its star's expansion. No hydrothermal vents will be left
There are a couple ways to buy time and mitigate this. Remove as much of the greenhouse gases as possible, plant more trees and that will make the Earth much colder and would buy the Earth another few million years perhaps. Use an asteroid to tug the Earth at a gradual rate so it ends up past Mars. And carefully keep tugging it through the asteroid belt if need be, although past Mars is far enough.
In 7 billion years, when the sun begins to 'die', it will begin to heat, expand and either scorch or completely consume the inner planets. It is not a regular fire that will simply fizzle out. These people cannot distinguish sci-fi from reality. They watch films like 'Total Recall' and 'The Abyss' and build their mission statements around them.
@ssuupa "politely extinguish itself" sent me. I'm all the way back in my 1995 entry-level college astronomy class learning from the professor about how the sun will eventually become a Red Giant and swallow the earth...quietly having a panic attack about it because I'm too dumb to realize humans will be long gone by the time this happens.
Rush believed he was an engineering "genius" ( you know the type- legends in their own minds) and he thought he could defy the existing conventions as they applied to the physics of depth in the sea with a "clever" innovation of using carbon fibre as the main hull construction. Even in lab experiments, the carbon hull was known that it can fail due to the way pressure stresses carbon fibre. So in the end, the sea had the final say and gave Rush what he wanted: To make a name for himself. And for that , he achieved his wish. His project will be studied by others in the ways of how NOT to carry out engineering projects.
It's funny too because you can bet that all Boeing did was teach them how you can make & attach a fiberglass tube. That's probably it, as they wouldn't really be able to speak to much else he was doing. Yet his "partnered with" designation is surely there to try to lend more credence to his unconventional design choices. Lots of places can teach you the same thing, but Rush had the money to go Boeing for his lesson so he could name-drop them.
Not saying it was a conspiracy on their part, BUT, ignoring the blood they DO have on their hands and not thinking they'd want a maverick with money like Stockton "taken care of," is simply naïve
The 19yo did NOT want to go. He had to be talked into it. His father, a Titanic " nut ", wanted him to come along as part of his father's day experience. He wanted his son to share this experience with him. I truly feel for that young man.
when you're 19 you dont want to disappoint your Dad plus you tend to believe what your father says and if his father said it was safe then surely the sub must be safe. The fact his father was a successful businessman lends weight to anything he would say. However as I have found out many times over my life, a person can be extremely successful in one particular specialised field but know jack shit about anything else.
i dont feel bad. 19 is an adult. everyone on that submarine was a billionaire so its really hard to care about in the first place, if even possible. a zebra wouldnt mourn the loss of a lions son, neither should we mourn the loss of a billionaires son
@waifu_png_pl6854 the collective "we" on the internet also won't care if you died tomorrow:) People don't choose the situations they are born into and being wealthy doesn't automatically make someone an evil person, and the brain isn't fully developed by 19 either.
@virtualgambit577 They heard sounds and while there was some concern it was not alarming, but when it happened it was in a blink of an eye. They might have a bad vibe about the noise. the families need to sue
It was even faster than that, estimated between 1 and 35 milliseconds (depending on which sources you consult). A millisecond is a one-thousandth of a second, so at most, about 35/1000 of a second. It takes about 50-100 milliseconds for pain to travel from receptor to brain, and roughly the same for images to travel from eye to brain, and be processed. So yeah, it would have been over before they could possibly be aware of anything happening.
As someone who has worked with composite materials, not understanding the process of delamination for fatigue is dumb when you work at such high pressures. The failure was not expected, it was inevitable.
Yes. Carbon fiber pressure vessels have a defined life cycle. Testing therefore should be in pursuit of finding the conditions of failure and narrowing your error bound.
correct me if i'm wrong, isn't carbon fiber like a really stupid material choice for a submarine? I'm not only talking about the delamination problem, I'm talking about the fact that carbon fiber has an outstanding tensile strenght, but the compression strength is almost as low as the resin the fibers are in,. Isn't it basically a plastic submarine considering that in this scenario it works under compression?
What annoys me most is there was a genuine and avoidable tragedy happening where workers were stuck in a pipe under the sea that these idiots in their plastic Submarine stole the media attention from.
He was too focused on being remembered as a pioneer. Broke all the rules like McArthur said, pushing the exploration like Musk. Not enough focus on engineering itself, more focused on being remembered. And now he is. Forever remembered as an example of what not to do.
And the irony is.. he was not even a pioneer. While not exactly common, we have plenty of experience diving at Titanic levels and far beyond. He isn't even a pioneer of anything. Unless you count "cheaping out on stuff we have literally decades of backlog to know what works and what doesn't" as being a pioneer. But I guess in his head, it was pioneering.
He knew what he was doing and for certain knew he would die at some point doing it. In his lineage he is related to two of the Founding fathers Benjamin Rush and Richard Stockton. He wanted to be more famous than both and kind of succeeded for now. More people know him than either of those two who signed the Declaration of Independence. He didn't care famous for good or bad he wanted his name known, he had said it himself in not so obvious words.
@sai269I don’t think he thought he would die going in, I think he had an insane ego and narcissism made him believe he knew better than everyone else, he saw himself as a revolutionary genius who couldn’t fail. It’s a shame his delusions ended up killing others too
"When the sun extinguishes, there's still gonna be life under water" - how to you get to an engineering degree not knowing that when the sun winks out it takes the entire solar system with it?
When it becomes a black hole, yes. But in some of it's phases, which will last a virtual eternity, while the sun would extinguish life as we now know it, in truth, life may very well continue under water for a time, as it provides several more atmospheres of protection. With the right technology, humanity may end up spending the vast majority of it's existence under water, beginning past the far, far beyond. Maybe learn to broaden your horizons before you go badmouthing your betters, those who at least had the courage to look beyond and dare mightily. There will always be naysayers who sit back on their asses, accomplish nothing, and laugh when great men who have accomplished something fall.
Even ignoring that, by that time how much energy would earth still have in its mantle? If a nuclear gas furnace we called the sun, orders of magnitude bigger than the Earth has already been extinguished in practical terms (I know there will still be a white dwarf), what energy does earth have by then?
Not necessarily. As the sun expands into a red giant, it's not even certain whether it'll consume Earth. Granted, even if it doesn't totally continue Earth, it'll still get far too hot with far too intense radiation for anything on the surface, including the oceans, to survive. But Earth just might avoid total destruction as a planet, and there will likely be at least a billion years where evolution of life will become viable on the outer planets. But once it loses too much mass and becomes a white dwarf, it'll be far too cold on those outer planets for life like ours, even though they'll probably still be intact
That ending is chilling. That's how quick their demise was. It's unfathomable that one would refuse the latest advances in science and mechanical engineering to build upon as a baseline and instead choose their own untested unapproved untested theoretical instruments due to sheer hubris. Mad man
To be fair, trying new things and materials is the obly way we advance.....the solution is to run rigorous tests either one person at risk or automated where possible, and carefully examine the damage done each time if it makes it to see if it will continue to do so......not to put people in it for a first try at that depth
@75ur15or you know follow regulation and ONLY attempt to improve on it, not throw it away completely. does he think those regulations only exist to prove him wrong in his delusions? he died as he lived. for someone so obssessed with going underwater, his head was far above the clouds to hear anything else but his own ego.
That was so dumb. Most of us knew they were all dead while the media pretended for days they could be alive. Only an idiot would have gotten on that thing.
@Faretheewell608 fun fact: the organisation that officially paid the burglars was Nixon's Committee to Re-elect the President. It went under the acronym CREEP. 🙂
Im guessing you mean the non climbers who scale Everest, the people that dont use oxygen are usually seasoned climbers who are used to dealing with the thin air
Yeah I think you have that backwards. The guys who can climb without oxygen have practically lived on the mountains, like the Sherpas. Their bodies have changed due to the harsh environments. It's the people who only want to climb one mountain, and decide it's going to be Everest, who join a massive tourist group of novices who endanger themselves and others.
@bluedistortions I agree with your analogy, but numerous Sherpas have died due avalanches etc and perhaps a handful due to altitude sickness. Sherpas are better adapted to cope with the Death Zone, but they are not invulnerable. Numerous world famous mountaineers have died on the unforgiving peaks (highest kill ratio is on K2), some if not most on the way back., during the descent. It is called the Death Zone for a reason and whoever goes there without oxygen tanks is playing a Russian roulette with a loaded gun!
@ComicGladiator Nice straw man fallacy. I never said they were the same, only that he was right that at a certain point, safety is a waste. He differed on where the line was, sure. But he's still right: safety is not guaranteed no matter what you do or don't do. If you're going to be a smart aleck, try to at least be smart.
@encycl07pedia-and if you’re going to try and be smart then realize they only say that bc you’re making a VALID point that’s not valid in THIS context .
@senormarston He's really the only completely innocent person in all of this. He didn't have an obsession with the Titanic, exploring or the ocean. He didn't think of himself as a scientist or explorer, and he didn't blow his money on a ticket - his father did. He was just a teenager who wanted to spend a bit more time with his dad.
Crazy how you can hear David Lochridge during the Macklemore dive, and you can hear the consummate professionalism in his voice while still being excited
@gotsm9959 braindead take. national parks for civil war/ revolutionary way battles or holocaust concentration camps, etc etc. just because something is made to be viewed by the public doesn’t mean it doesn’t have value anymore.
"Let's call this sub Titan while removing all the titanium from it".
It didn't even have enough steel that you could name it Irony...
@DanSmith-j8y just like Titanium
is the titanic made out of titanium too?
@DanSmith-j8y It's named after Titan, son of Neptune.
@DanSmith-j8y Whoops. I was drunk like a sailor when I wrote that, but my sea-lore isn't very good.
It's, statistically,the safest way to travel because of the safety regulations Mr. Stockton was so enthusiastically breaking.
Exactly what I thought when he said that. If they're so safe, why are you going around trying to redesign everything that made them so safe? Not even improving upon those regulations, just ignoring them all together....
My first thought when I heard him say that was "Yeah subs are safe because they were being built by people who didn't disregard safety like you do" lmao
Oh the irony!!!!
The rest of the sub industry must be so pissed. Maintain the strictest safety standards for decades, only for this dude to come along and ruin the record for everybody.
It's really disingenuous to say that 15 million people have gone in a private commercial sub, when the vast majority of those are just plastic bubbles that go anywhere from basically zero depth to about 200ft. That's like saying that kids jumping on a trampoline are space explorers and including them in your statistics.
the "Rule Breaking" concept is something you apply socially, not in physics
Before CEOs were engineers now they are marketing guys
Depends on how smart you are and how fancy Ur lab is
Not true… physical rule breaking is how we develop new sustainable technology
@bigdog4574 lol tell me an example? Because I don't think you can find one
@porcus123 He's right but you need a Cern scientist to explain
"We shouldn't have gone so deep. They do not want us down there." - Subnautica 2018
Lol
Funnily enough the cyclopes is a trademark of Oceangate
@honestkyn718 True, and if they had invested in a ton of plasteel instead of carbon fiber for a hull, they probably would still be alive today. Sad that even a computer game has better blueprints than them.
@honestkyn718wild asf if u think about it
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I love how he's like "submarines are the safest vehicles on the planet."
Then doesn't follow any of the safety guidelines that make them so.
Exactly, flying is one of the safest forms of mass transit on the planet but you don't see me jumping off a cliff with a set of plywood wings.
They are, just not the ones he made.
I served in the US Navy on two different Submarines. They are safe because of a program called SUBSAFE which was created after the loss of the USS Thresher. I was part of that program. Mr. Rush was just reckless and just after profit not ensuring the safety of his passemgers.
They are safe because they are mostly going to depths of a couple hundred meters, not a few thousand, that's a whole different kettle of fish.
@trollman591 I kinda get where his attitude comes from. I see it a lot among the lower levels of the engineering community and especially from the ones who have never actually done the things they are doing engineering work to design.
Its not so much about greed and being reckless, its more often from people who are dreamers at heart that couldnt achieve their lifes dream. I see it all the time where, after failing and/or coming to accept they will not fulfill one goal they turn to another with a passionate vehemence.
Its not malicious or reckless per se, though it is very closely related to that. Rather, its the desperation to achieve something.
I think this guy just wanted it so much and wasnt willing to take the time to make it work or find the flaws. He ignored the fundamental lessons in engineering because he arrogantly believed he simply knew better and his desperation to achieve it just let him blindly push on.
Its sad because aviation is repleate with examples of why we dont rush new designs. Just look and the de havilland comet for a perfect cross comparison to the titan.
An emtirely new design and technology built using a mix of new and old ideas and pushed into service without any extensive testing.
A body count is the inevitable result.
Whats a shame is that the technology behind the sub could very well have done what stockton wanted it to do had it gotten more research and development.
But he didnt want to take that time, he wanted it now.
Well, he got it and he made the most critical mistake in engineering, he tested to failure with his own life.
He wasn’t thinking outside the box. He was ignoring physics.
He was 'thinking' inside the box. But the box imploded...
jaque picard dove into mariana trenchat least double the depth
he built a steel sphere, with 4 inches wall thickness
a sphere what is way more suitable geometry
diving a few meter already the pressure can be sensed in the ear
these depths are just unimaginable the pressure
Oceangate has been manipulated, something is down there guys, something we should not know, they stopped him from finding out.
Wake up, the darknet has multiple whistleblower leaks. he found something down there.
Bro is a dumbass. The Sun won't extinguish when it runs out of hydrogen, it will turn into a red giant and fry the Earth.
That's what I have been mumbling the entire time I heard him say it. "Dude, the physics do not care about you breaking the box." I can see how tempting it is to believe yourself to be revolutionary, that the whole industry are just oldies sticking together... but the only thing he managed to do is prove them right.
Having alarms built into the carbon fiber hull to go off if the hull began failing was like having your foot be your warning you stepped on a mine.
Well written. Very well written.
Its the same as the lock on your front door held in place by two small hinges.
The illusion of safety, to keep the investors happy I suppose.
the monitoring system worked. they just ignored the warnings which is arguably even more stupid
😂😂😂😂
واو احسن وصف بضبط لتلك أجهزة
We're lucky he left the aerospace industry. Imagine if he took this way of thinking and applied it to planes.
It will be Boeing.
At least he tried.
Using Carbon Fiber for planes is actually good.
They would have been floating in space forever if he went that way instead.
Check the guy who tried to proove that flat is Earth with its rocket
Never seen a man's hubris piss off Poseidon so much since Odysseus
Oh the wine-dark see
now I have to re-read the Odyssey
@rachelvanbora4689 totally here for the random meet cute between you and @lunasuji
@rachelvanbora4689everyone that reads it gets obsessed with that line lol. Joyce won't ever shut up about his little Greek words lol
I laughed so hard I needed my inhaler.
Didn't he have another sub called that? Or maybe it was the rover....
"At some point safety is just pure waste."
-Dead guy
Innit though.
and now he's just pure paste
He’s long dissolved now
True legacy 😂
*red watery paste that USED to be a dead guy
The sad part is, this LUNATIC took others with him!
"Statistically the safest vehicles on the planet" Yeah Stockton, until yours came along.
Indeed ... due to the rigorous rules.
He set the record as the first occupied submersible implosion in history. (There have been submarines that have imploded, but those a different type of craft)
Exactly. If you say "this is the safest thing" and also "there's too much regulation on this thing" then I just assume you're a total idiot, because unless you can do TONS of tests to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that the regulations are indeed too strict and can be relaxed without making the thing dangerous.
@TheJadeFist does it count as a submersible or a garbage can?
@Blox117 both lol
"In the last 35 years there hasn't been a serious injury"
And he took that personally.
The iceberg is confused asf about why they got +5 assists a century later
It got a free rubix cube too.
If it still exists now
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Gay_Rainbowiceberg’s ghost then
The iceberg watching it’s kill cam is just the slow effects of global warming
This is basically what happens when you surround yourself with yes men.
Just ask biden, he had nothing but yes men
That’s what $$$ does
Stockton was not surrounded with yes men. There were multiple staff and engineering partners like boeing and even their third party manufacturer of the carbon hull that warned him the hull WILL eventually fail, and that the manufacturer who were leading CF experts but it was their first time to make a hull of their design.
Stockton chose to ignore their warnings, even to the point of removing them from their position because they said things that did not align with what he wanted to hear.
@groundpound3126The fact he fired the "no" men kind of supports OP's point. It's the literal epitome of surrounding oneself with yes men.
@smoothlyrough512the border is secure…
Now 😂
I've had a lot of bosses like Rush: they're so used to convincing investors and charming staff that they eventually think they can bullshit nature herself.
true
Liquid Icarus
They attribute too much credit to themselves when things go right. Thinking that X number of dives without resolving problem Y must mean that Y must not have been a big problem and I'm smart for having discovered that--what else can I be smart for disregarding? Starting company X and having hundreds of people look to me for guidance must mean I'm the one who knows what's right and it's my unique decision making that is driving that success. I found the cheat code.
That's deep
So true
I like how the video didn't properly end
Jumpscared me so hard, and then I realized how masterful the ending was
Just like the ending of the submarine rip
I don't. It reminds me of Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
He used the ''Submersibles are the safest vehicle'' line a lot without realizing that the why they are so safe was because of the rules he was breaking.
Well Stockton Was Partially Right But Unlike Most Engineers Who Are Impaired By Safety Standards Didn't Have Better Safety Standards To Replace The Existing Ones With
Smart amirite
Dude played Subnautica on hard-core mode, thinking he was in normal mode.
He was also going 100x deeper than most commercial submarines go.
Also, they weren't regularly visiting the f**king Titanic!
Guy must have read the tale of Icarus and thought “yeah, but I’m going DOWN.”
Hah oh my goodness
Instead of Helios/Apollo he went for Psiedon
Pretty much!
Dove to close to the titanic is the new expression.
Both going downwards and going down!
he forgot one crucial fact. rules are written in blood.
Quite correct. Safety rules come from past accidents.
This is one of the best quotes I have ever seen. I am so going to use it.
True@fred9za
Exactly! The TRUTH! Can't stand these arrogant people who insist on flouting the rules, because you're absolutely right every one of those rules was written because people died. So anyone arrogant flouting these important rules wisdom and prior knowledge is truly a heinous person because he is in delusion not reality, no matter what he cons himself or others with his lies irresponsibility and nonsense
@tw8464They are engineers and think "big gubmint tryna keep a brother down". They are not even very vook smart.
It wasn’t even hubris, it was sheer stupidity. He just had no grip on how science or reality works.
It wasn't a matter of stupidity (although he is stupid) but of laziness so as to not do things the correct but difficult way, and by being cheap.
"At some point safety is just pure waste." Welp, that's the last thing I would want to hear from someone designing a vessel going to the bottom of the ocean! Redundancy is the key to true safety.
Well, if you look throughout history the biggest scientific breakthroughs have been accomplished while ignoring safety and quite a few people paid the price as a result. Early experiments regarding atomic power were done without any proper safety measures partially because they didn't know and partially because they thought they could handle it. Do you think it was a good idea to use a screwdriver in the demon core incident? It definitely wasn't but they did it anyway and the person holding the screwdriver died a pretty horrific death. He was warned about it before but did it anyway. As a result they learned the effects of deadly doses of radiation and what it will do to your body.
This thing here was also pretty stupid but hey, things definitely have been learned as a result and every single person who was on that sub signed papers which multiple times mentioned the risk of death and that it was and experimental vehicle. Sooooo....
@nodlimax I was speaking for myself, if others want to die so we can all learn stuff from it then that’s up to them. Though in this particular case I think human trials were not necessary to realize his design was destined to fail. Plenty of other stuff is not as obvious and may actually need risk to discover the limits, Stockton Rush was too full of hubris to recognize the difference.
@nodlimaxLMAO it was abundantly clear - to any non-egomaniac engineer - that his design was a disaster.
We know this from multiple internal & external sources.
The lack of submarine accidents in recent decades is *precisely because* of regulations - designed in response to earlier disasters.
He wasn't a pioneer: he was an idiot determined to prove the hard-earned prior experience of others was wrong, like a toddler having a tantrum because he couldn't have his own way.
Now he's fish food.
Sham it wasn't just him.
That's what my boss says every time 😄
Safety is a waste, that's why the designers of the Titanic put a few lifeboats onboard. Safety wasn't an issue, AND SO, THE TITANIC TOOK A "DIVE". What the he'll was he thinking ??? Safety isn't an issue, yeah well, I wouldn't have gone on the Titan if they paid ME to go on that submersible.🙄
Oceangate is what happens when just enough knowledge to be dangerous is coupled with just enough money to be dangerous.
and in the hands of a narcissist.
I think it should be with just enough knowledge to be dangerous and just enough money to be stupid.
I think that'll be the tag line of the 21st century, for whatever posterity will be left one day😂 too many too stupid people worth too much money. Dunning-Kruger on crystal meth, that's how humanity will be remembered by whatever species evolves to interpret our scribblings after us🎉
@louiefrancuz3282 Well said
And a below 30 IQ to go with it.
The biggest tragedy here is that Rush died so quickly he never got the chance to realize he was an utter fool.
😂😂😂😂
Well, most likely, they knew things were going horribly wrong before the implosion. So he definitely had his asshole pucker at the very least
He'll figure it out on the other side
@maryjanedaniels471We can only hope as much…
Nah, he realized because it didn''t just happen instantly. They were trying to ascend and couldn't, so he knew.
He wasn’t doing science. Or even exploration. He was doing tourism.
Yep... his vision of the future had more to do with his bank account than anything else...
"At some point, safety is just pure waste"
If this isn't engraved on Stockton's tombstone, it should be.
He doesn't have a tombstone. When the sub imploded, it basically liquidised everyone inside to a fine pulp.
@kestrimurgel5155I mean, that doesn't preclude a tombstone on an empty grave, which if found by an archaeologist without context would tell a hell of a story.
The FDA has a saying that your regulations are written in blood. That's because at some point, someone died to figure this stuff out. Cherish it.
Either that or 'ignorant loser'
Well, his memorial plaque
The way he piggy backed the safety record of all other submersibles to “prove” theirs was safe while not following any of their safety protocols is staggering.
Yeah it's like saying that elevators are the safest way to move around and then throwing yourself in an elevator shaft with some bubble wrap around yourself.
That is a flawed example. @Argumemnon
@Michael-yc5bp Ok making an elevator with some bed springs at the bottom and a rope that can only handle exactly the amount of weight required for the passengers. He was making something similar to the real thing, but without understanding multiuse stresses on materials such as carbon fibre and aluminium etc.
@MONEYBAGARTS Haha, he was being a stupid guy for sure. Might as well be looking for nemo with his level of understanding of physics. No nemo to be found but his body and those others to be for sure.
All the fixtures and fittings none was certified some came from camping world man was a snake oiled salesman
its almost like an iron... lung...
😮
If I had a ton of money, the bottom of the ocean in a carbon fiber, experimental sub is the last place I want to be.
But because you don't have a ton of money, you really want to be there?
@sajiretto I agree.
@sammathis6634 no
@sammathis6634
Damn, you're kinda stupid
"I like pancakes"
"So you must hate waffles."
@sajiretto jealous much?
"We've partnered with Boeing" - Welp, that aged like spoiled milk.
Boeing's reputation as well aged like fucking milk ever since they bought out McDonnell Douglas in 1997. Before that was safety first, now it's all profit, eventually leading to the 737 MAX's brand new circus industry.
Went looking for this comment lmao
Oceangate was manipulated by govs.
They found something deep down there, what we never should find out.
@cass_caps First thing I thought of when I heard it
Boeing ain't a saint when it come to vehicular safety designs. BUT, one has to note that Boeing had minimal collaboration with OceanGate in the *_initial_* designing stages of the Titan before the Pandemic. In fact OceanGate had ignored Boeings suggestions about thicker hull thickness and extra weaving patterns. Then when the Pandemic and 737 Max crisis happened, they had bigger worries than dealing with a recalcitrant submersible operation.
The Titanic ended in disaster. The Titan ended in disaster. Lets see what Tit brings us
😂😂
The T will end up destroying the world.
I bet disaster...
Titus
3rd times a charm so, maybe Tit will have a good ending.
Dude thought humans would be on earth when the sun dies in 4 billion years lol
His entire business model was based on "if I can't go to space, I'm going to try convince everyone else space is dumb so I can still be a celebrated pioneer in _something."_
One giant copesession.
true
"Oh no, Elon beat me to the punch, instead of making a competing company Im going to look towards the ocean so I can bask in all of the glory"
It is quite unfortunate too. The ocean is filled with some pretty cool stuff, but this idiot likely scared off a bunch of people who might have been interested in exploring it.
Exactly. The man was a failure and a coward. Im so glad hes not here anymore.
“We partnered with Boeing on the design of our hull!”
*Well… that might explain a few things.*
It's boein-time!
Underrated comment
If its boeing im not going
Ouch
Boeing: "If you didn't find an MCAS or a door plug on the submarine, then we didn't help him design it."
Boy they weren't kidding with that promo video. It really was a once in a lifetime experience for them. They really committed to that.
funny how everyone was worried about the game controller when they should have worried about the pressure vessel of the sub imploding🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"Don't miss a chance to be a part of history" yeah, they added to the exhibit alright, and now i wont get my chance. Lol
Seemed like perfectly honest advertising to me.
@lilgamingmoments well yeah don't you want to become part of history don't worry your body will not be on display
Checklists
and darwin's award goes to....
Davy Jones: “Stop sending careless rich people down here, my locker is full enough as it is.”
He got a free Rubik’s cube out of the deal.Leave him alone😂
Hahaha
@bennyrobles9194from Pirates of the Caribbean
kek
It's a damn good thing that Rush didn't own a major airline.
@Wohlstandsmuell 21:52 That actually makes sense
OMG , wouldn't even want to THINK about the nightmare he would design to fly the skies...🤔🤔😗😮😮😮😖😖 cringe worthy , the very thought of him . I think he was watching too much Star Trek to think that HE could accomplish in this century what Star Trek accomplished in the 24th century. He needed to be REAL not watching cartoons and thinking "I could do that " attitude. 😖😖 WHAT was he going to do ? Design an actual STARSHIP to fly passengers around the globe ? 😄😃😃😆
It literally wouldn't have been allowed to get off the ground !
@Wohlstandsmuell You got this posted first!!
@paulbrookes413 He would launch it in international waters, like his dumb and unsafe sub! There you can't regulate it! There's a reason he was able to do what he did and that was finding a space where regulators and safety inspectors etc. have no say!
This is why when everyone in the industry tells you that you are nuts, you should really pause and think about what you are doing.
It's funny too, because he drew a parallel to SpaceX and people telling them they were nuts. I think the difference is, the fact that the materials that SpaceX use unconventionally in their starship design were considered nuts because it was too heavy and the added strength wasn't needed. Over-engineered use of simple materials, meaning loss of efficiency. Rush did the opposite. He was nuts for using materials that were too weak for the application, likely because of the desired cost & weight savings.
@en0n126 Yep! It is ok to be out of the box, just sometimes you can be too far out of that box. If you flirt with the edge too much you usually end up dead.
In this guy’s mind everyone else has to be wrong when they disagree with him
Did that controller even have a pause button?
@en0n12612:21 12:26
Stockton Rush is proof that a smart person can still be stupid.
“We are remembered by the rules we break” and ironically that’s what his life boiled down to
I guess at least the rule he broke wasn't armed robbery. He's got that going for him.
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*imploded
He broke so many rules, he was ignoring the law of physics
Yep, he's remembered as the dumbass that broke and ignored rules and died for it, dragging a innocent 19 year old's life
Stockton seems like he was told by a Greek oracle how he'd die. Knowing his classics, he didn't bother trying to avoid this fate, he just set out to give interviews that would seem as ironic and foreboding as possible after his death.
"It's a once in a lifetime opportunity. We'll make sure of it."
This makes more sense than whatever other delusions he was actually under
this is an amazing take, I love it
It's a legendary tale of hubris, no joke. The ancients would've immortalized him in a myth or epic. Unfortunately for Stockton, we have 4K video.
Never attribute to anything else what can be explained by hubris and stupidity.
“Be a part of history”
It sounds to me. He wanted to explore the ocean because he was salty about SpaceX.
And there sure is more salt in the ocean than in space.
How is this your take away lmao
he was delusional. rich people ignore reality
Hey, the ocean is a amazing though whatever his intentions might've been you can't discredit the intrigue that oceans still hold to this day
I mean his whole life was a series of failures and him “choosing” something else to focus on… that he would later also fail at. That was the constant throughout his career.
“There hasn’t been a serious injury in 35 years” thank you for your innovation in that field, Stockton.
nice snarkiness, madam sons
From a person with 25 years of submarine experience….Stockon said subs are statistically the safest vehicle for travel. What he failed to realize is subs have a nearly flawless record of safety because EVERYTHING is procedure driven and deliberate with safety as the number 1 priority
Titanium. He forgot that one small detail.
@Thundersnowdawg I mean I get it…we wouldn’t advance technologically as a society without innovation so I applaud him for pushing the boundaries.
If it was just him involved it would have been just an unfortunate accident. He, however, put other people’s lives in danger and profited from It. Those unsuspecting people may have asked more questions or just said “nope” if they knew the corners he was cutting.
Makes you wonder how many other companies have this kind of practice.
@shawnp601 yeah. I agree. I can see thinking outside the box and doing scientific experiments for innovation. True. The only thing is he refused to admit that he was in the experiment phase, and shouldn't have had paying consumers so he could afford his experiment.
That was gross.
And then when he heard all the cracking, he should've cancelled all rides. Like you said, he should've only risked his life. 😥
@ThundersnowdawgDidn’t he say it was an “experimental sub”?
It's cuz the people that make them are the ones that are going to pilot them and they REALLY don't want to die. If everything we built operated on that belief everything would be alot safer in life. Gonna build a new experimental airplane? Okay, YOU will be in the cockpit on the flights. New food additive? YOU will be the one eating it for the next few years to see what happens. The people that make money would be much more careful when selling their goods if it was THEIR lives on the line.
Stockman Rush wanted to be remembered as someone who broke the rules to accomplish something deemed impossible. Now he’ll forever be remembered as the reason why rules exist in the first place and why they shouldn’t be broken.
There is more to it than that.
Also there are plenty of examples of breaking rules leading to better outcomes.
That is such a flat, black and white statement. We don't live in that kind of world.
wrong. let me guess you aren't well educated but pretend to be smart from RUclips jr college? "breaking the rules" in today's corporate america of bailouts and funny money? sure but nobody dies with this. I can't fix stupid so just go back to your bong and smoke dat weed
Deny defend depose watch list says otherwise.
He said that he's thinking outside the box but in reality, he's ignoring physics and science. And he said that safety is a lot of waste? What a joke!
Some people's only purpose in life is to serve as an example to others :)
Stockton was so smart he atomized himself and a bunch of others in a matter of nanoseconds without the use of a transporter
I had been hoping that before the submersible imploded the creator had had a long moment of clear understanding that it was going to fail.
A groan of buckling structure or something. Just so he would have known what the price of his hubris was before oblivion.
@Apoplexy1000 no, he probably blamed every one else
@bejbimama6689"It's your guy's fault for uh... for... I don't know what yet, but when I do, it's all your fault!"
@Apoplexy1000sadly, he was toothpaste within nanoseconds. His optic and audio nerves would have been atomized long before they could transmit the catastrophic signal.
@Apoplexy1000 contrary to what people are posting here, they were out of contact with the surface and in an uncontrolled descent in the pitch black for 10 - 15 minutes before it imploded. And while you might be going, oh haha he did get time to think about it, remember, so did 4 other innocent people. A kid and his dad... forced to hug and think about mom and beg their God for one more chance to see her. It doesn't matter if he was a billionaire, he was still real; he was still meat with feelings like the rest of us.
Only one I still feel bad for is the kid
Damn. The PS2 was way ahead of it's time. Who knew that the controller would one day control a submarine?
You weren't paying attention, in the newer sub they replaced the sony controller with a logitech. That may have been their hubris.
the controller is really the least offensive part of this entire shitshow, and i really wish the media didnt focus on it as much, because there were far more devastating and idiotic solutions put into place for this submarine than something thats actually been used by other submarines, including some that carry nuclear warheads.
The enterprise e had a joystick
LOL they didn't even use a ps2 controller they actually have good standards they were quite literally the standard even now at its most fundamental level. They used those early 2000's Logitech controller you found in your closest mega supermarket that don't deal in actual electronics.
An engineering degree does not imply intelligence. I am living proof of that. I want you to know that my capacity for stupidity is quite great and involves several fields. Knowing your limits and a tiny dose of humility will keep you alive.
I can agree with this. I work for a company that makes some of the largest mills available in the Western hemisphere. I have been witness to engineers fucking up a $500,000 part and millions worth of machine equipment
Thankfully I haven't personally witnessed any injuries and there been no deaths thanks to several layers of verification and safety
Having that self awareness is surprisingly rare, and IME, a strong indicator of high general intelligence.
I always belive to keep going until you don't feel safe anymore. As in before hitting the absolute limit
Don't forget the use of long known safety rules and what industry would call ppe - personal protection equipment. Stuff like glasses for your eyes, appropriate gloves, and hearing protection. Oxygen masks for air limited spaces. Those things. You don't ignore that stuff because it's annoying, it's there to make sure you go home in the same condition you got to work in.
It does. Just ask any engineer. 🙄🤣
An old German admiral once said " nobody lives long enough to make all the mistakes, we must learn from others".
@Deadweight45ww1 German admiral.
I do love how Stockton quoted about how "safe submersible travel was but failed to realize it's only that safe because it is regulated.
The most tragic part of this whole story is the 19 year old kid who didn't want to be there. That's the real loss in this whole story.
@youtubegarbage7876 Are you making a joke, or are you serious? Barron Trump is not going to save humanity. He's not the second coming of Trump.
@youtubegarbage7876I'm convinced brainrot started because of politically addicted douchebags inability to grasp reality
@chandlerbingbong5773 Oh? Did your crystal ball tell you that?
He didn't want to be there? Oh no I didn't know that 😢
@madeniquevanwyk yeah he went because his dad wanted to go and he didn't want to disappoint his dad
Its crazy that woman lost her grandparents to the Titanic, and now lost her husband to the Titanic.
No, the latter was the Titan. The sunken ship can’t be blamed.
And lack of braincells among the 3 people who went.
The titanic probably gave her ptsd at this point. And she wasn't ever on it.
@oldspiritartshut up
@trolltrama9780you first Playboy lol
The titanic didn’t kill these people, Stockton Rush did.
yea seriously, the ship was just sitting there minding its own business
Well apparently when you're rich they let you do it
@LoneWolf051MENCINGLY
I wouldn't be surprised if he somehow was responsible for the Titanic itself going down via accidental time travel shenanigans at the point of his bath toys implosion.
Literally my first thought when I heard that.
Imagine being the descendant of people who died on the titanic and then losing your husband to it once again
Family tradition
Naming your sea vessel OceanGate when pretty much every controversy nowadays ends in the word “gate” was a choice.
When I saw the headline, I thought, “That’s clever, calling the Titan scandal ‘Oceangate’ just like Watergate.” I hadn’t heard of the company before.
@judithstrachan9399i thought the same thing
@judithstrachan9399 Don't forget "Heaven's Gate". That group thought they were going be with aliens. Whether underwater or outer space, both were screwed.
Wasn't there a controversy called "pizzagate"?
I thought about that also. Frankly, it was quite fatuous to choose a name that denotes failure! I also learned long ago that when someone says "Trust me" often, that's a red flag. Even if I was a billionaire, I wouldn't pay that kind of fare ($250 million per person!) Especially when there are already probably hundreds of pictures of the RMS Titanic in several museums from previous expeditions to her gravesite. Why go down to dangerous depths where it's completely black and difficult to see anything! Yeah, I know bathysphere's have search-lights on them but still, what more did they expect to see that hasn't already been available to see in museums -- pure avaricious folly!
I feel bad for the kid who only went because his dad wanted him to.
That's the real tragedy. Such a young life cut way too short just because he didn't want to disappoint his dad on father's day
yea that's the saddest part, other crew members had their lives lived already, but not the kid.
Very sad. If your child has a bad feeling about something their parent says they should do..as a parent you need to wake up and pay attention.
That's not what happened. His estranged aunt made up that story so they would point cameras at her. His mother was still on board the Polar Prince at the time and had no access to the media. Once she got back on land, she said he was excited to go. He was even planning to set a record for the deepest rubix cube ever solved.
only guy I feel bad for who was on that sub
The hubris is astounding.The desirefor building cities under the ocean and on mars instead of trying not to ruin the one place that is suitable for humans.
I said the same damn thing..
Oh, but then they can't gatekeepers lives there.
Yeah and also I think it’s just in humans DNA to spread out and “manifest destiny” as far as we can, just occupy as much space as we possibly can, either on earth or in space. Very odd and counterproductive.
Not like a billionaire can do anything against a true elite.
Ok greentard
“At some point safety is just pure waste”
- a dead man
He talked a big game, but in the end couldn't handle the pressure.
Naaaah 💀💀💀💀
Savage bruh
Most wild comment to this💀
His world just came crashing in.
Budum tsss 😂
The best comment I've seen about this: The difference between space and land is 1 atmosphere. The difference between the ocean and land is hundreds of atmospheres.
*BARS!*
I'm sorry. It just had to be said. 😂
are you aware of what that means or just regurgitating
@ancientmothdust what makes you think I don't know what that means? Its basically self explanatory.
@ancientmothdustI interpreted it as there being a lower margin of error for a deep-sea sub due to having to deal with pressure.
@not-actually-that-creative Yeah. It's easier to keep pressure in than to keep pressure out.
Imagine your parents or grandparents dying on tge titanic, then your husband dying trying to reach it decades later. Poor woman.
She worked with him in the company and the one responsible for comms on the other boat, she was fully involved in this and knew the risks/danger of what they were doing
She was his business partner.An apology would have helped redeem her, but she's never offered so much as an acknowledgement of the devastation her husband and her caused.
I mean she chose to marry the idiot, it's not like it wasn't obvious the dude was a massive dong who was gonna get himself ended.
@Chicagocubbiegirlshes grieving bro expecting a public media apology is dumb
A mouse trap for billionaires... Lets make more of those !
You seem like a very cruel person.
@awkwardcultism absolutly not, billionaires only deserve this. They gather all the wealth and resources for them while everybody else is having a rough time to just make a living. They are the cruel one thinking only about them self and ammasing so much wealth it 's pointless and they could not even use all of it in 2 lifetime.
"when the sun extinguishes" the earth would have already been turn into a hellish molten surface planet by its star's expansion. No hydrothermal vents will be left
Like does stockton think that the sun would just politely extinguish itself 😂 that’s not how stars work lol
There are a couple ways to buy time and mitigate this. Remove as much of the greenhouse gases as possible, plant more trees and that will make the Earth much colder and would buy the Earth another few million years perhaps. Use an asteroid to tug the Earth at a gradual rate so it ends up past Mars. And carefully keep tugging it through the asteroid belt if need be, although past Mars is far enough.
In 7 billion years, when the sun begins to 'die', it will begin to heat, expand and either scorch or completely consume the inner planets. It is not a regular fire that will simply fizzle out. These people cannot distinguish sci-fi from reality. They watch films like 'Total Recall' and 'The Abyss' and build their mission statements around them.
@ssuupa "politely extinguish itself" sent me. I'm all the way back in my 1995 entry-level college astronomy class learning from the professor about how the sun will eventually become a Red Giant and swallow the earth...quietly having a panic attack about it because I'm too dumb to realize humans will be long gone by the time this happens.
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Looking for sharks in a cute yellow sub sounds like a cool business. Should have stuck with that.
1 million dollar revenue beats 5k.
@skr4207 true. The 5k income however would still be around to spend their cash.
@skr4207Not if they're dead
Looking at sharks with rappers. Sounds a good time. As long as you don't let diddy on board..
@Six_Gorillion well maybe they should have invited him onto Titan
his parents really set him up to be an eccentric millionare with a name like stockton rush
There's a name that has two paths: either private school or getting the snot pounded out of you.
Sounds like the main villain in a slobs vs snobs comedy. Should have a sweater tied around his shoulders
Ace attorney ahhh name
@ManWhorseExactly!
@ManWhorse Sounds like a TMNT villain
Rush believed he was an engineering "genius" ( you know the type- legends in their own minds) and he thought he could defy the existing conventions as they applied to the physics of depth in the sea with a "clever" innovation of using carbon fibre as the main hull construction. Even in lab experiments, the carbon hull was known that it can fail due to the way pressure stresses carbon fibre. So in the end, the sea had the final say and gave Rush what he wanted: To make a name for himself. And for that , he achieved his wish. His project will be studied by others in the ways of how NOT to carry out engineering projects.
Crazy he didn't send the Titan down to 4000m unmanned for testing.
Big mouth & bigger ego imo I’m so sorry for what happened tho
You’re surprised? This man said “safety is a pure waste”
This wasn't the first descent. So the dude was even more sure of himself. Taking civilians this time...
He went to this depth around 13 times.
@ErebusTheDragonnglad he's dead. His mistakes will save lives. If he succeeded it may have killed more people and hey one less billionaire is a win
"Boeing assisted the creation of this Sub" well now we know lmao
It's funny too because you can bet that all Boeing did was teach them how you can make & attach a fiberglass tube. That's probably it, as they wouldn't really be able to speak to much else he was doing. Yet his "partnered with" designation is surely there to try to lend more credence to his unconventional design choices. Lots of places can teach you the same thing, but Rush had the money to go Boeing for his lesson so he could name-drop them.
Except that Boeing wasn't involved.
@williamwallace9826 They literally show in the video that they claimed they were partnered with Boeing...
Not saying it was a conspiracy on their part, BUT, ignoring the blood they DO have on their hands and not thinking they'd want a maverick with money like Stockton "taken care of," is simply naïve
@BronzeAgePepper now you’re cooking
The 19yo did NOT want to go. He had to be talked into it. His father, a Titanic " nut ", wanted him to come along as part of his father's day experience. He wanted his son to share this experience with him.
I truly feel for that young man.
when you're 19 you dont want to disappoint your Dad plus you tend to believe what your father says and if his father said it was safe then surely the sub must be safe. The fact his father was a successful businessman lends weight to anything he would say. However as I have found out many times over my life, a person can be extremely successful in one particular specialised field but know jack shit about anything else.
is this true? that is heartbreaking....
i dont feel bad. 19 is an adult. everyone on that submarine was a billionaire so its really hard to care about in the first place, if even possible. a zebra wouldnt mourn the loss of a lions son, neither should we mourn the loss of a billionaires son
@waifu_png_pl6854 so edgy
@waifu_png_pl6854 the collective "we" on the internet also won't care if you died tomorrow:) People don't choose the situations they are born into and being wealthy doesn't automatically make someone an evil person, and the brain isn't fully developed by 19 either.
3:36 when the sun extinguishes, humankind will also extinguishes :v
It took 1/10 of a second for the vessel to implode. They did not even know what hit them. It was quick but brutal.
Scott Manley put it best "At those depths humans stop being biology and start being physics"
Implosion yes. But the dread of being unable to climb, the sounds of the hull. That’s something they would’ve heard.
@virtualgambit577 1/10 of a second. If they heard anything, it was probably at the same time they ceased to exist
@virtualgambit577 They heard sounds and while there was some concern it was not alarming, but when it happened it was in a blink of an eye. They might have a bad vibe about the noise. the families need to sue
It was even faster than that, estimated between 1 and 35 milliseconds (depending on which sources you consult). A millisecond is a one-thousandth of a second, so at most, about 35/1000 of a second. It takes about 50-100 milliseconds for pain to travel from receptor to brain, and roughly the same for images to travel from eye to brain, and be processed. So yeah, it would have been over before they could possibly be aware of anything happening.
"This is our flagship vessel, the Titan. Named for my refusal to use titanium to build the part that's always built out of titanium for some reason."
Shoulda named it "crushed soda can" amirite lol
As someone who has worked with composite materials, not understanding the process of delamination for fatigue is dumb when you work at such high pressures. The failure was not expected, it was inevitable.
Don't worry, surely the folks in charge of this operation will listen when their own experts tell them this... r-right?
Yes. Carbon fiber pressure vessels have a defined life cycle. Testing therefore should be in pursuit of finding the conditions of failure and narrowing your error bound.
correct me if i'm wrong, isn't carbon fiber like a really stupid material choice for a submarine?
I'm not only talking about the delamination problem, I'm talking about the fact that carbon fiber has an outstanding tensile strenght, but the compression strength is almost as low as the resin the fibers are in,.
Isn't it basically a plastic submarine considering that in this scenario it works under compression?
What annoys me most is there was a genuine and avoidable tragedy happening where workers were stuck in a pipe under the sea that these idiots in their plastic Submarine stole the media attention from.
He was too focused on being remembered as a pioneer. Broke all the rules like McArthur said, pushing the exploration like Musk. Not enough focus on engineering itself, more focused on being remembered. And now he is. Forever remembered as an example of what not to do.
Just like MacArthur. I thought it was an odd example for him to pick.
And the irony is.. he was not even a pioneer. While not exactly common, we have plenty of experience diving at Titanic levels and far beyond.
He isn't even a pioneer of anything. Unless you count "cheaping out on stuff we have literally decades of backlog to know what works and what doesn't" as being a pioneer.
But I guess in his head, it was pioneering.
He will be remembered as the greatest idiot.
He thought he was immortal
@cjthorp4805everyone thinks that way until lights are shut off
4:40 "In the last 35 years there hasn't been any injuries in submarines" he took that as a challenge
His gamer score is insane tho
As if that is some kind of magical effect that prevents any jackass in a homemade contraption underwater from injuring himself.
“And I took that personally.”
He said “I’m gonna break the streak”
"Statistically, they're the safest vehicle... Let's change that."
His FATAL FLAW was making himself The Visionary, Founder, CEO, Innovator, Engineer, Captain etc He should have delegated some of the tasks
He lacked engineering skills but his ego thought his was perfect but it wasn’t , no room for error
He knew what he was doing and for certain knew he would die at some point doing it. In his lineage he is related to two of the Founding fathers Benjamin Rush and Richard Stockton. He wanted to be more famous than both and kind of succeeded for now. More people know him than either of those two who signed the Declaration of Independence. He didn't care famous for good or bad he wanted his name known, he had said it himself in not so obvious words.
@sai269I don’t think he thought he would die going in, I think he had an insane ego and narcissism made him believe he knew better than everyone else, he saw himself as a revolutionary genius who couldn’t fail. It’s a shame his delusions ended up killing others too
Just like Musk does it: throwing money at stuff and cashing in all the undeserved fame and glory while other people do all the work.
Right, when a director decides to write, produce, edit his own movie...take cover
The line ”Once in a lifetime” has never been more true.
He partnered with Boeing to ensure safety. Nice.
Boeing and safety doesn't seem to go hand in hand lol
@RunTheCoin
“If it’s Boeing I’m not going”
“If it’s OceanGate it’s up to fate”
Not to mention that Boeing and all of his other partners have denied that they were part of the process.
Ironically, by virtue of taking himself out, Stockton Rush remade submarines into the safest vessels again.
carbon fiber will get u jail time at this point.
@bonchidude At least for this purpose. Might be able to make it work safely for those within 100 meter dives
Just not y'know
Attempting 4000
"At some point safety is just pure waste"
Famous last words. Literally.
Those were very likely not his last words, so no not literally
Which no airline everr said to it's passengers.
@MichaeldeBidart Thank you. It is frustrating how people don't understand the term literally. It really isn't that hard.
he was correct, he just picked the wrong cutoff point
This sentence sent some chivers to my spine.
the simplicity of the sub just reminds me of ironlung dude 😭
"When the sun extinguishes, there's still gonna be life under water" - how to you get to an engineering degree not knowing that when the sun winks out it takes the entire solar system with it?
When it becomes a black hole, yes. But in some of it's phases, which will last a virtual eternity, while the sun would extinguish life as we now know it, in truth, life may very well continue under water for a time, as it provides several more atmospheres of protection. With the right technology, humanity may end up spending the vast majority of it's existence under water, beginning past the far, far beyond. Maybe learn to broaden your horizons before you go badmouthing your betters, those who at least had the courage to look beyond and dare mightily. There will always be naysayers who sit back on their asses, accomplish nothing, and laugh when great men who have accomplished something fall.
Even ignoring that, by that time how much energy would earth still have in its mantle? If a nuclear gas furnace we called the sun, orders of magnitude bigger than the Earth has already been extinguished in practical terms (I know there will still be a white dwarf), what energy does earth have by then?
Not necessarily. As the sun expands into a red giant, it's not even certain whether it'll consume Earth. Granted, even if it doesn't totally continue Earth, it'll still get far too hot with far too intense radiation for anything on the surface, including the oceans, to survive. But Earth just might avoid total destruction as a planet, and there will likely be at least a billion years where evolution of life will become viable on the outer planets. But once it loses too much mass and becomes a white dwarf, it'll be far too cold on those outer planets for life like ours, even though they'll probably still be intact
Exactly my thought! Lol I am starting to think that this guy wasn't particularly bright 😌
And even before the sun is extinguished, it will *expand* into a Red Giant, which will engulf Earth.
That ending is chilling. That's how quick their demise was. It's unfathomable that one would refuse the latest advances in science and mechanical engineering to build upon as a baseline and instead choose their own untested unapproved untested theoretical instruments due to sheer hubris. Mad man
As soon as it went
in, bubbles came out
Water started rushing in
Came here to say this. Brutal cutoff
To be fair, trying new things and materials is the obly way we advance.....the solution is to run rigorous tests either one person at risk or automated where possible, and carefully examine the damage done each time if it makes it to see if it will continue to do so......not to put people in it for a first try at that depth
@75ur15or you know
follow regulation and ONLY attempt to improve on it, not throw it away completely. does he think those regulations only exist to prove him wrong in his delusions?
he died as he lived. for someone so obssessed with going underwater, his head was far above the clouds to hear anything else but his own ego.
"were gunna have cities underwater. People will be living down there"
Bro wanted to become the real life Andrew Ryan
Bro has played too much Subnautica
nah he wanted to find the bioshock city
Stockton Had No Idea What It Took To Build Rapture
@JailerGamer Bro Did Stockton Not Pay Attention To The Cyclops Maximum Depth With Upgrades Yeah The Titanic Is Deeper Than That
He wanted to think outside the box but he ended inside the box.
You know you fucked up when a RUclips documentary does a deep dive on you.
Lol...truth
They'll never deep dive as deep as he did.
That was so dumb. Most of us knew they were all dead while the media pretended for days they could be alive. Only an idiot would have gotten on that thing.
You know you did an ASS decision when Dutch Van Der Linde himself says it was dumb
Lol, that reminds of the onion's "autistic reporter Michael Falk" reporting on some missing hikers, and he just tells everyone they're obviously dead.
man you are so smart!
at least yo got a plan, right
Media needs your clicks, this is the era of ad views
Throwing on “Gate” to any business, social media platform, church, etc. is a direct path to demise.
Idk Heavens Gate worked out fine... Oh hang on.
@a_planet_on_fireAnd burglars hired by a politician
...except StarGate. That was effing awesome
@Faretheewell608 fun fact: the organisation that officially paid the burglars was Nixon's Committee to Re-elect the President. It went under the acronym CREEP. 🙂
right????? who thought of that name? and they thought the bad one was the cyclop one...
In his defense, Rush accidentally killed the dangerous CEO in charge of his company.
I'm sixty three years old and I am really tired of grown men wanting to be seen as boy geniuses.
😅
Goddddd you're so right, that is what all these guys are 😭
Spoiled little boys who were never told no with authority and it shows.
What is that supposed to mean
@StormSoughtnope
on a lighter note, Macklemore's love for sharks is so fucking wholesome.
Sharks are beautiful misunderstood creatures. They are so important and yet humanity has treated them horribly to say the least.
He should go swim with them
It was delightful to see his excitement. Props to Stockton for giving him the opportunity.
Sharks are so fucking cool imo
@aguy7848True
Macklemore??? What are you doing in my ocean gate RUclips documentary?
being his nerdy ass self
He just wants to see a shark
And so the anual bilionaire sacrifice to the gods of the sea was born
Stocton's ambition reminds of the people who climb mount Everest and K2 without oxygen tanks. Sooner or later the unforgiving nature will get you!
Im guessing you mean the non climbers who scale Everest, the people that dont use oxygen are usually seasoned climbers who are used to dealing with the thin air
Yeah I think you have that backwards. The guys who can climb without oxygen have practically lived on the mountains, like the Sherpas. Their bodies have changed due to the harsh environments.
It's the people who only want to climb one mountain, and decide it's going to be Everest, who join a massive tourist group of novices who endanger themselves and others.
@bluedistortions I agree with your analogy, but numerous Sherpas have died due avalanches etc and perhaps a handful due to altitude sickness. Sherpas are better adapted to cope with the Death Zone, but they are not invulnerable. Numerous world famous mountaineers have died on the unforgiving peaks (highest kill ratio is on K2), some if not most on the way back., during the descent. It is called the Death Zone for a reason and whoever goes there without oxygen tanks is playing a Russian roulette with a loaded gun!
look, I hear you. Counterpoint : We wouldn't even have seen what those peaks looked like without ambition against an unforgiving nature.
If these climbers want to impress me, they’ll climb without sherpas or guides
"At some point, safety is just pure waste"
Yeah it's okay that humanity lost this guy.
Yes in the the sound bite he sounds horrid, but the full clip seems much more reasonable.
He was right in that instance. If you want to live, you have to take some risks. Even going outside has a risk of you getting abducted or killed.
@encycl07pedia- Yes, going to the store is exactly equivalent to going to the bottom of the ocean in a homemade sub everyone called a death trap.
@ComicGladiator Nice straw man fallacy. I never said they were the same, only that he was right that at a certain point, safety is a waste. He differed on where the line was, sure. But he's still right: safety is not guaranteed no matter what you do or don't do.
If you're going to be a smart aleck, try to at least be smart.
@encycl07pedia-and if you’re going to try and be smart then realize they only say that bc you’re making a VALID point that’s not valid in THIS context .
19 year old Suleman is the only one I feel sorry for.
Agreed
Hell no
@senormarstonhe was drug there by his dad you sociopath
@senormarston He's really the only completely innocent person in all of this. He didn't have an obsession with the Titanic, exploring or the ocean. He didn't think of himself as a scientist or explorer, and he didn't blow his money on a ticket - his father did. He was just a teenager who wanted to spend a bit more time with his dad.
@senormarston hell you mean "hell no"
Crazy how you can hear David Lochridge during the Macklemore dive, and you can hear the consummate professionalism in his voice while still being excited
Titanic is a grave site not a tourist attraction.
I do think some of the people going down were scholars, which I think is fine, but it's true that clearly wasn't the primary motivation
@StormSoughtNothing sacred with tourism.
@gotsm9959 braindead take. national parks for civil war/ revolutionary way battles or holocaust concentration camps, etc etc. just because something is made to be viewed by the public doesn’t mean it doesn’t have value anymore.
@ First mention of the sacred, and I said scholarship may be justified.
it's both, there's nothing wrong with tourists visiting a grave site