Really Revolutionary or a Stellantis Fantasy? Ram EV Concept at CES 2023
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Sandy talked to Head of Ram Truck Design Mark Trostle and Chief Designer for Ram Truck Interiors Ryan Nagode.
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Thanks for taking me to CES Sandy!
So many concepts with Suicide Doors that never end up in production. But Sandy loves them! Will be interesting to see how much of this makes it to production.
Probably not a lot 🤭
None of it. Stelantis can't afford it.
The saloon/clam shell doors become an issue in normal parking spots. Ask any Honda Element or Toyota FJ owner
Extensive led lighting niiice, wait till they crap out…my MS headlight assy…1600.00.
@@ashisdas4971 How is it worse than regular doors. I have issue getting out the front doors in any car in a tight spot. The rear doors are harder to exit because the entryway isn't as large as the front. Seems like if you were moving forward with a suicide door, it would be easier. I just can't picture why it would be a problem. I tried to find a video of an FJ in a parking situation but couldn't find one.
I like how Sandy always talks freely about Tesla and other competing manufacturers whenever he feels like it.
Prototypes are easy, production is....good luck RAM. We really do need more EVs
Not a prototype...this is a concept.
@@williamgrunzweig571 You're correct. Prototype could look drastically different than this.
@@kevinplatt Not could, but will. :)
Great concepts Ryan, fabulaus interior. Solid 21st. Century styling and Roomy. Oliver can hardly wait to drive an Electric Ram. Sandy, Corey and associates thanks for sharing so much.
This is only a Phev not an EV
The track seating is hands down my absolute favorite part of the truck.
The third row jump seats are awesome; as well as the suicide door, which gives a large opening for ingress/egress.
It is a Human Cargo Quantum Leap.
...Just so long as they've figured a way to stop the tracks getting fouled with mud & dirt.
@@DEADB33F Yep, here in winter, small rocks, salt, water, dirt , will make these tracks a pain !
@@DEADB33F Better include that air compressor ...
They are goi g to have to include a vacuum cleaner to clean the tracks or provide floor mats to that clip into the tracks to cover them during normal operations.
@@ashisdas4971 a vacuum is a good idea, I like to keep a Makita vacuum in the car. That's just a good practice.
One thing legacy auto manufacturer's still have going for them are the designers.That is a beautiful piece.
One problem with saloon doors is that a full passenger load getting out of the truck when parked in a parking spot requires some coordination. You have to close one door at a time, or get out one at a time, to be able to close the doors again.
This is true. I got stuck on the wrong side of the door a couple times when we first got our Element. But our 5 yro figured out the routine in a couple trips so it's not out of reach for most Americans.
You let everyone out before you park.
Yep tiny kids in a SuperCab is bad enough
If you could open the back door without having to open the front first, it’d be OK. I’m not a safety engineer, but I’m guessing that making the doors open independently might have interesting strength and dimensional integrity requirement issues for the rocker panels and roof edges which would have to contain the latch receptacles and behave predictably in crashes.
In the past, that was a real concern, but I think all these new vehicles are assumed to be self parking. You let everyone out where there is plenty of room for those wide doors to open then close and the car goes off to park itself. Even if they were not saloon doors, good luck trying to get out if the vehicle is already parked with just 28" between you and the car next to you.
Ryan is a person dedicated to his craft. And looking at the interior of this truck is proof. It thoughtfully presents to the occupants what it has and what it is capable of. Since originality is only undetected plagiarism, it is obvious that while designs were never copied, many offerings in the real World where improved, before inclusion. No matter where he divines his talents, the recipient of his efforts will be rewarded at the cash register. Thanks, Ryan, for sharing your ideas and efforts with the motoring industry.
no matter what RAM does, Jack of all Trades, MASTER of none.
@@markplott4820 ...it's about the PERSON not the company
"Loaded an 80# bag of cement into the frunk". I'm younger than Sandy(not much) but I use 40# bags now. Sandy is "the man".
Thanks Sandy for this most interesting look at the electric Ram truck concept. Impressed with the great design ideas and the functionality..
Had a clam shell truck. HUGE PITA loading family in a parking lot. Also how's the side crash tests with no structure between the doors?
Bravo. Literally the best coverage of the Ram from the show. Concept or not.
Best looking truck I've seen in a long time. Hope they carry over a lot of the concept's styling and functionality to production models.
hahaha nope!
RAM wont be able to SCALE to Profitibility.
Those doors won't make it.
If you get a chip in the windshield and you have to replace the whole roof that is going to be really expensive!
Maybe it's possible to split the large glass panel in two with just a thin seam and without a structural beam.
Yeah I'm curious if insurance premium is gonna be higher just because of this.
I mean a chip would probably be sealed for like 30 bucks at safelite. A crack would suck though.
@@pristianG My chip in the Tesla screen on the interstate turned into a crack by the next offramp. They go fast sometimes.
The Tesla Model X has a huge windshield. $100 replacement on my insurance. $160K car and I pay $110/month for full coverage insurance.
The biggest problem with induction charging is that it is inefficient. Not as big of a deal for a mobile phone, but for a vehicle it adds up.
It’s also pointlessly complicated and expensive. We have two EVs and nobody in my family has ever complained that plugging them in is at all difficult.
Yeah, let's make EVs cost more to charge than any gas car. Let see- gas engines about 40% efficient at best. EV goes from 90% to wired charging lost in 40% range vs direct? Sounds like a winner.
That's cute but, incorrect as wireless EV charging has already reached 97% efficiency.
"Oct. 19, 2018-Researchers at the Department of Energy’s Oak Ridge National Laboratory have demonstrated a 120-kilowatt wireless charging system for vehicles.", "The wireless system transfers 120 kilowatts of power with 97 percent efficiency, which is comparable to conventional, wired high-power fast chargers."
Track seating seems like a cool idea, up to the point where you consider living with it in the real world. Trucks get used in dirt, mud and other elements which I can see ending up in the tracks, then how will they be impacted? Great idea, but in practical every day use, I would have some concerns. Love the look, love the concept. I have had two Ram 3500’s in the past myself and like the idea of what I see. Now I just want to see a production ready version.
I was thinking the same thing. Not practical for use where they will be literal dirt catchers.
Yeah, Sandy hates carpet in a truck because it will get "destroyed" with dirt etc; but, love track systems that somehow won't?
Finally, a nice bass and drums solo lead-in for a video! Thanks
Those doors likely will never make it to production. Saloon style doors are on a lot of concept cars so the media can get clear pictures of the interior without the B-pillar in the way, that’s really why they are there, for presentation purposes only.
Remember the EF Hutton Effect commercials Slogan from years ago? "When Sandy Speaks, People Listen."
Correction (?) "People SHOULD listen"
For the rollover rating, one approach is an actuated released strut like rollover hoops on a convertible, hidden in the rear door frame by the latch that detaches so the door can continue to be operated
Thanks. Addressing the side impact and roll-over issue was something I was mulling over.
I think they should just be an ejection seats (front std./rear optional) when sensor predict a pending crash/rollovers- probably cheaper than moving structural parts. But nothing new, first James Bond move had it in his first move car. But I think that was a mock up also. LOL
Agreed. Front to back access is so important
Awesome Truck, I would buy it. Just purchased the 10th aniversity 1500 Limited with etorque and air Suspension and I am so so happy with it. Thank you RAM Designer‘s
Sandy is the man. I guarantee there’s people writing down what he’s saying lol
Thanks for the Video at the show, heared of it but havent seen it yet
This reminds me the VW Buzz concept. It was awesome , but then they released an average minivan . There’s no way Stelantis con mass produce something like this at an affordable price for truck buyers who need this for work (not showing off). I hope they can make it but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
The real VW ID Buzz is even better and more practical then the concept!Realy amazing!
@@brunoheggli2888 No it sucks, just your same old minivan with some lipstick on it.
@@boostav Thats good enough for me and many others,it sells like crazy!
@@brunoheggli2888 Yeah 20,000 orders ≠ selling like crazy.
@@boostav Yes this are real orders not like this silly i orderd 5 Cyertrucks to flip 4 of them and buy one with the profits!
I just heard the Ram Rep saying essentially along the lines of "keep it simple just have what we need " when pointing out digital rear view and side view mirrors in a truck loaded with screens and touch interfaces what a time we live in 🤣
Yea Sandy - why would you ever put on sight blocking, blind spot, exterior or interior mirrors with the cameras that are available.
Please, please please keep the saloon doors and ensure the front seats can completely rotate to face the back seats for communal dining! Imagine eating group meals while charging! Also, the “automatic”
Mid-gate beats chevy and gmc! Love the pass though port for long boards! Love the jump seat and ability to seat 6! Love complete reclining seats! Love the frunk! Not a big fan of the tuning fork lights, the front LED lights on ford and chevy seem more masculine curving around the outside of the front facia.
That RAM truck looks super cool.
Great video Sandy. Hope most of those features make it into production.
Great video Sandy, some really good thoughtful questions and statements. It will certianly be interesting to see what they can bring to production v this prototype. But the more EV's on the road the better.
Cats are going to love induction chargers
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It's a good looking truck. I have concerns about how serious Stellantis is about BEV based on the CEO's previous comments, but time will tell.
They might have noticed how Lightnings have been selling.
As a traditional Ford guy I'm impressed. I would love to be a fly on the wall inside Ford HQ's design room. I wonder if they are going back to the drawing board or if they also have something that's just as nice.
Great job Ryan! Perfect mix of pitch and expertise.
$200,000 if they built it, but they won't. I really hope whatever they do build has that track seat system though!
Nah
@@mattbrew11 áď)zćžžß
They should have it to market by 2042
About a year ahead of the cybertruck then?
@@mattbrew11 Production for cybertruck supposedly in 2023 but we will see about that
@@stockpicksbytim1228 production of this truck is supposedly in 2024
@@mattbrew11 Id love to see it, I use to own a dodge dart It was a good car took it to 120k before selling, engine and trans still A1
@@mattbrew11 lol this ram piece of junk looks like they asked their 9 year old kid to design it 15 minutes ago. "I want a truck that can follow me like a puppy" "okay Timmy, good idea, we'll go with that"
Being able to remove all the seats not being used is an awesome option to have. Way more diverse.
This is a great preview of things to come. It's fine if they show off stuff they can't get into production just yet; it lets them and the public gauge how much they want various features.
For myself, I'm NOT okay with steering by wire or brake by wire or cameras replacing mirrors, because I've dealt with dead vehicles and I know that shlt happens.
Another Trip Overseas l can save my money on. I'm there just by watching Munro Live! _Cheers Sandy_
Cheers
MUNRO live - RAM will be lucky if even 50% of those Features make it into Production.
Maybe the seats will make it, that's about it.
A lot of dirt are going to get in to those tracks.
And French fries, coffee, sticky drinks, crap from shoes, spare change etc. I just laughed looking at it. 😀
The truck is cool as hell imo but it isn't a production intent in any way shape or form and isn't going to look anything like this when they do release the production spec truck in allegedly the late spring. Makes me wonder what the banshee charger will look like in final form to. 👍🏻
Can you imagine a 8-9 seater!?
Adding and removing seats to tracks is such an elegant solution.
Loved watching Sandy think through that skateboard outloud!
The flanks on the tray back are huge, eats into the load area significantly given the size of the truck
Agreed. This is ought to be a work truck, so stuff compromising bed space is not good.
I am not a pick up truck fan,but i have to say this RAM truck really looks cool,something the truck people may be open too the idea of electric vehicles like RIVIAN put out.Talking about trucks and vans,i recently spoke with a guy driving the new AMAZON step van, and he liked driving it very much,he said it has or feels like a smaller vehicle than it actually was,just his opinion. We in exciting automotive times now.
Fantasy. Stellantis is way far behind the ball. #1 on my list of western OEM's to fail first.
100% but are they western?
Wikipedia doesn't think so, it says their owners are a "50-50 cross-border merger between the Italian-American conglomerate Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) and the French PSA Group.[9][10][11] The company is headquartered in Amsterdam."
Sounds European to me so technically Dodge is an import regardless of where it's manufactured. Or is a Honda manufactured in the US considered domestic?
Nah GM is #1, Stellantis has the European business to keep it afloat.
Really saving the planet here.
Love the concept truck. It looks fantastic. It looks like it could actually be used for real work. I like it.
@@ff20e03bbc "Tesla cybertruck: Here hold my beer" None of the EV trucks appear to be equipped for doing truck things for people who work with their trucks.
Can we please stop talking about how nice the stitching is on cars that will never be built at any volume? “Congrats, your pretend product looks super cool, You’ll really give Louis Vuitton a run for their money, oh wait thats a truck? “
Agree, that was just silly to discuss.
Opera doors and conference room seating and star wars roofs and such are snazzy. Meanwhile, Tesla is building a light weight tank on wheels that is low maintenance, massive range and designed to look the same over 40 years of use. Oh, and did I mention that they can build it faster and cheaper than than the Detroit 3?
Tesla is not very far ahead. Steel design is "new" and we don't know how nicely it will scale and work on road. Also, Ram interior design was very cool.
@@archigoel Working with stainless will be a challenge. The rear casting will be no picnic. But, make no mistake, Tesla is drawing a clear line in the sand. They are building a truck with no exterior badges and minimalist exterior lighting. The interior is sparse. with no fancy stitching or extravagant mood lighting. They've forgone the roomy frunk in favor of a shorter wheel base. The Ram Revolution is an eye catcher. It screams bells and whistles. The Cybertruck risks ridicule. Its value is in the range, reliablity and ruggedness. For a luxury brand to put everything on the line by going the road less travelled is borderline lunacy.
Opera doors have been correctly called suicide doors. I know first-hand. When I was about three years old, I opened a suicide door at 40MPH, was instantly sucked out, and nearly died. Great FEATURE.
Hi all very nice design I like it. Door is little dangerous, suicide door. People always make many kind of mistake. Roof is fully open glass, it is mean cold in Canada and Alaska cant fully heat the salon.
Generally good design I like it. Wish you best for your RAM team
Auto makers present concept vehicles that are sometimes truly fantastic but it usually ends there at a presentation to never be seen again. This Ram Is one of those truly fantastic presentations from the front to the rear. It is a beautiful machine and Stellantis have an opportunity to really blow the others away. This machine, as presented, really has wow factor at all angles. Just don't send it to Leno's garage and forget about it. All the designers really came up with a fabulous machine.
Damn! Chrysler/ Dodge are setting the bar - again.
Excellent video. Well produced.👍👍
Yeah, low truck bar.
Super nice intro music, thanks :)
Nice design but imagine having to change out that complete glass roof that’s a part of the front windshield, this definitely is not a truck for people that may be on a price budget‼️💯
Pace Auto..........The TESLA model Y as a combined roof and windshield, since 2016
@@1gr8oil you’re correct Sir!
Thank you!
You're welcome!
I want that truck, especially with the doors and no B pillar also with the track system inside flexible cargo management inside absolutely love it with a ram box🎉 and I definitely love it if I had 220volt at 50 amp circuit for a welder
Yeah, the robot charger could use a heavier gauge cord.
It's a interesting idea, but not very practical. Yah, the cord is an issue.
@@williamgrunzweig571 not practical? You mean the robot with a skinny cord?
In truth this level of innovation is what I was hoping to see from Tesla. I'll have to see the final version to believe it, but this truck is 95% what I've dreamed of in terms of usability. Still rooting for Canoo but definitely this is top runner for my money right now. Want to buy ASAP.
Is the EVSE cord *really* that painful? The J1772 part of the CCS port for level-2 at home really isn’t that much different from Tesla. If vehicle to home/grid becomes a thing, then the DC pins of CCS port are going to need to be connected to the inverter in the EVSE feeding the home and the connector will be large, making Mr. Munro correct.
Concept looks great, not holding my breath on the mass production version
What's the name of that groovy intro soundtrack? Great bass line.
Opera doors are Sweet - I have always thought good idea
Had them on a 1932 Ford.
Those doors are a bad design choice. You can't all get in the car at the same time.
Imagine opening the driver door to get in. No one can get into the seat behind you until you have got in as you're in the way of the rear door opening.
You just open both doors at the same time
My old 2006 F150 extra cab was like that, it was ok but irritating for the reasons you are mentioning... Saloon style doors can be made to work independently like some modern refrigerators but it's a lot of extra parts for no real value.
@@TennisGvy then you have to coordinate and time sync when you want to get into the vehicle.
I love the look of them but it'll not be practical if you often have passangers. Will be interesting to see if they make it into production.
I haven’t seen too many times 4 people getting a vehicle at the exact same moment. The concern is way overblown.
@@jackylsmith8138 delt with it for 10 years, it's pretty annoying if you have friends, family or a dog. Honestly it bugged me just putting something on the back seat.
💯 agree with getting on NHTSA to remove side mirrors! If rear back up CAMERAS are required on all passenger vehicles, why can’t side mirrors be replaced with cameras? I know the argument from NHTSA: “Cameras are supplementary to mirrors. Cameras can fail, but mirrors can’t!” Well, what happens if a backup camera has a systematic failure? NHTSA requires the OEMs to issue a recall to fix the cameras. What happens to the countless side mirrors that are knocked off in accidents? NHTSA is quiet on the matter...
I could just imagine that interior with the console slid back, and unfolded into a small table, the seats rotated so four people could sit around it going over plans or even having lunch in the rain. Those tracks will be gravel magnets though.
This "truck" reminds me of the Jetson's like concept cars I when I was a kid at the state fairs. Fun to took at- never saw one in production. And if we did, we all with would have a good laugh today- especially the similar bubble 360 view glass roofs. I did laugh when Sandy talks about the merits of not have carpet in a truck (true), but seem to ignore the fancy seats, impractical doors, one piece of glass that would cost a fortune to replace and make the interior a furnace in Texas even if the panel did dim. Some would say who cares, I say that someone that does not care will not worry how to carry a a 18ft 2x4 much less worry about not tearing up the carpet also. LOL
I really like it hope it looks just like this when it comes out! Would be great for my cerebral palsy
ERIN!! She’s the best!
you should have asked how the capacitance sensing buttons work with mud on them.
These type of doors are not functional in parking lots or garages when you have passengers in the back. My FJ had similar doors and it was a dance to say the least, trying to exit the vehicle along with a passenger when there is anything right beside the car. I'm surprised Sandy likes it at all. At least the back door on the FJ was stubby and allowed for some maneuverability. These doors are huge
I agree in the door situation. I have a Honda Element and I call it the door dance, when getting people in and out, when parked in normal parking spots
Ideally, those doors would instead slide like van doors, both front and rear.
I called Safelite glass today to get a new windshield 9:09 installed in my new Ram EV. They said it might take a while to get in stock and not sure how much it might cost....😁😁
Bahahaha!
Crack in a windscreen like that would cost a bloody forture to replace ~$3000 ,instead of legacy windscreen $150-$300
It is almost like you think people will be buying this, who care about that. This is going to be a 6 figure truck if it has all this. That is the "who cares" category. At least it is if you are responsible. This is a millionaire vehicle. It is not going to be a work truck, maybe a delivery vehicle. That is the only way a normal person would have this.
It'll be at least $200 000. I doubt you'd care for a $3000 windscreen if you can afford to buy it in the 1st place.
I seriously doubt it will make it into the next release of this truck. It's just a concept. Didn't even have sun visors!
Heard of the model X?
I used to have a 30 minute each way commute on a not so well maintained interstate which also was salted/graveled in the winter. I had to replace a windshield about every two years when I had that job. The worst case was that I got six bullseye cracks in a single winter season.
This looks great! imagine if they made a deal to use the Tesla charging network. I might actually consider this if they could use Superchargers. I have always loved the RAM look.
Same!
Since Tesla opened up their charging standard, they should definitely take advantage of it.
Tesla should kick back 2 cents per kWh to any company using their charging standard
Given Stelantis' boss view on EV they might as well call this the RAM Extinsion!
I think they are promising to much. But I definitely like the extended bed into the cabin.
Thank you Sandy for continuing to speak out against obsolete side view mirrors! NHSTA get with it!
❤The Saloon doors. Suggest automatic roll over deployed front seat roll extension “n shaped bars” is an elegant design solution for roll over protection.
The power outlets in the frunk need to be placed closer to the front opening for people with shorter arms to reach better. I really like this vehicle. The "saloon/opera" doors will probably not make it to production, but you can't have everything. I also like the panoramic windshield, (like on a Tesla Model X), but think of the cost of repair.
What I see as real from this is the track seats, midgate, design language (techy but not as extreme as cybertruck), heads up display, frunk and tailgate. Not real are the doors, rear jump seats, pivoting seats, frunk pass thru, that wireless charging mouse, and entire rear quarterpanel that opens up as a rambox.
In the UK we call those rear doors, "Suicide Doors" for good reason.
Same in canada
My favorite grouchy man calling out the bs gotta love it. This truck looks bad imo I'd still take a Rivian.
Mopar has always had a strong history of design. I love this truck however, I highly doubt it will ever make it to production.
Best review of the new RAM yet
Can't disagree with you more about lack of side handles. Hate it when passengers are wiggling my seat.
I think the saloon doors will work with this concept because of the frunk for groceries. If somebody parks next to my F-150 Supercab, it's difficult to access the back seat for loading. That said, I still like my Supercab.
The moveable seats and console are brilliant. I recognized the aircraft seat track concept that they were emulating, and it is absolutely doable. Not mentioned is the 15-degree rear-wheel steering. I agree with Sandy and hope they build this!
That problem is solved on my F150 Lightning. The groceries go in the Frunk, and I even have dividers and hooks in there for the bags.
@@jhalkias17 the lightning solves the problem by having doors that open the right way! Clam shell doors are a major pita.
Interesting vehicle. Can't wait to see what surprises and features make it into the Cybertruck. Jess
This era makes me sad that I am so old as I would like to be around to enjoy all the new designs and capabilities. Oh well, I still have a great iPad to use.
Ryan, well done...👏👏👏
Chances of this being what comes on the market are about minus zero. These guys will be lucky to have an EV truck out by 2024 are slim. But it looks really cool.
Nice shots of the new eAxles, which I assume are the new Stellantis EDM#3 units - front version with the inverter mounted on the top and the rear version with the inverter mounted on the side (to reduce height).
18ft of pass through storage is incredible. Wonder how efficient induction charging is
I want this Ram now.
Office mode! I like it.
I freakin love that everybody is making electric trucks. Always wanted one for camping, but the mileage didn't make sense for daily use. Now that it's electric, mileage is almost meaningless. As long as the range is good, I'll buy one. If enough of us buy these, we hopefully won't hear those generators running in the middle of the night.
That vaporware looks real!
🤣🤣
I like the concept but they will need to hustle if they are going to be competitive.
Doesn’t sound like the rep knows who Sandy Munro is. Meanwhile Sandy is all like “ooh, aah, love this/that”, but in his head he’s probably like, “90% of this isn’t going to make it to production due to complexity and cost.” Sandy is holding his serious criticism down in hopes Dodge will play nice with him when the production version comes out.