The best in the porn comic industry definitely would be more talented than Liefeld. Drawing men and women that attractive requires an intimate knowledge of human anatomy.
Dude, porn comics require EVEN BETTER art style and details than a regular comic. Imagine that guy drawing the face of an orgasming person. It'll be the worst expression you'll possibly see in your entire life
I hope you guys continue this series. I'm sick of those DeviantArt Cringe videos making fun of children's art and beginner artists. This makes me feel better to know that professional artists are imperfect and it actually inspires me to improve my art skills to do better than the professional artists you show in this series. Thank you for that!
Yah and he also goes for low hanging fruit like fetishes, of course the fetish would be weird and most likely drawn badly. It’s one thing to see a public sight have bad drawing but actual professional art being bad is better
Well yeah. You have to painstakingly learn alll that human anatomy stuff...and then, just as painstakingly ignore everything you learned. Not easy to do.
Liefeld may have a wierd ass art style but he did create cable and deadpool. Love him or hate him, u can't deny his contributions to the comic industry.
I met Rob at a comic shop. He's a funny guy. Even funnier was the guy behind me in line got the famous buff cap art signed.i stuck around to see the look on his face when be signed it and it was priceless
his art style defined the 90s, people actually tried to imitate his style, he married a super model, was in a guess jeans commercial, and was a millionaire. Rob Liefeld absolutely made a deal with the devil.
@@leonglitch I know it tricky to interpet in just pure text. I wasn't being passive aggressive, I typed that 5 years ago. I type so fast that typos happen often, I just couldn't be bothered correcting it.
Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my leg... and my arm... even my fingers. The body I've lost... the comrades I've lost... won't stop hurting... It's like they're all still there. You feel it, too, don't you? I'm gonna make them give back our past.
wish he would have added a comment explains why this series was canned instead of just a tweet thread but here’s why the series was canned. 1.They’re not a lot of really horrible comic art out there and they don’t want to do ten episodes of Rob Liefeld or Ken Penders 2.Despite hundreds of submissions a lot of them don’t really provide bad art 3.They don’t want to feel like a dick because artist work really hard with bad deadlines and this series just highlights the worse out of their portfolio(all though I don’t think it would be too big of a problem as long as they made that clear and maybe montage some of their really good work, like what he did with that one Wolverine image or Injustice panel). 4.Comments for this series are vitriolic. This was a tweet from 2018. I don’t know why it took so long for him to cancel this series publicly but he did do it on Twitter
I think they would not cover Sonichu since the focus of their videos are mainstream ones like Marvel or DC and not some Internet comic. But you have a point, it's just that some channels are not into that shit.
Whether it be a result of age or his growing insanity, Frank Miller's art has been getting steadily worse over the ages. For reference, compare The Dark Knight Returns to Holy Terror.
newsflash. He didn't create Deadpool,nor Domino,nor XForce. He is an over hyped creation of Marvel. He also despises being called Co creator...whatever that may be.....
Hey, I think I remember you. Aren't you that guy who does vlogs about Rob Liefeld stealing your idea for Deadpool in the late 80s? I saw some of your videos a few years back.
GodzillaMendoza He didn't steal an idea. He took credit for creating things he didn't create. it's called piracy. stay tuned. things will be happening soon.
Apparently Robert Kirkman who did Marvel zombies and the walking dead, admires him and thinks he's a good artist. He said it in an interview with a comic RUclips channel, look it up.
The thing is, exaggerated proportional body parts *can* be done correctly. Rob Lifield may not know how to do it right, I personally believe that comic art is about making the art look as interesting, dramatic, and exciting as possible. Does Rob Lifield do those things? Well, yeah when you really think of it (in a bad way), the art is so bad, that you're interested in it. But, it could be worse.
They fact that you were able to run with the phone calls going on and make it entertaining without having it feel like it was dragging--I swear that's some amazing wizardry.
18:17 Rob... You could have just moved the head and neck forward on the body, enlarge the shield and adjust the muscles' sizes. Just a shame photoshop didn't exist yet.
11-Years' Photoshop User here. Youngblood 1 and 2 certainly prove that he was already messing with said software. (and BTW, Photoshop was also used in the industry in those years, as many Draw! Magazine Interviews can confirm) There's a particular splash page with that Wolverine knock-off where it's clear that his head was cropped and resized before being traced and inked.
If using other character designers' original parts and assembling them randomly can be considered "creations", then sure. Too bad that nobody remembers which where the writers that made said "original characters" be unique. And still, Liefeld will always take the check and the credit for that. That forgives much too, right?
18:36 He was talking about his career and him re-launching a series. 18:40 "All i can say to that is..." Ad for RUclips membership plays: "Welcome Back!"
At least Liefeld got a job and a career in the comic book industry. He made it which others were rejected. On the other hand, one of the reasons why the comic book industry fell back in the 90s other than weak storylines and concept was the numerous printing of first issues particularly those from Marvel Comics. Many felt that those first issues say X-Men, Spiderman, X-Force, etc. will become as expensive as those from The Golden Age or even The Silver Age. But they didn't!
Well that is also Why they sold so much in the 90’s because people thought comics would become the big next thing. They just did not realise that something that is printed 2 million times is not going to be worth as much as something that was printed one thousand times.
@@flip1sba well that and that the artists made them hip and actually seem like they weren't some old remnant of the 60's. Just look at Todd Mcfarlane's run on spiderman and his own run on spiderman. It was interesting and he made spider man actually seem like a guy who had gotten bitten by a radioactive spider. He had cool poses and he made the Web interesting to break away from the fishing rod that they had been using for the last 25 years.
All you did was nitpick his artstyle the entire video. Honestly by the sound of it, it seems like you honestly expect every comic artist or cartoonist to draw characters as photo realistic or as close to real as possible.
@@finediningandbreathing07 a little late, but yes there definitely is. photo realism is completely different from making proportionate figures. you can have stylized figures with exaggerated features that aren’t completely anatomical abominations. also avoiding drawing faces bc ur lazy does not mean “style” what the fuck are u smoking 💀
This is a great episode! Gotta hand it to ya. I haven't enjoyed this series that much, but glad I gave this one a shot. Great material to work with, and the unplanned phone call was great to keep in. Hope you do more like this in the future!
It's still a bit mind blowing how Deadpool is pretty much another similar story to Batman in that everything people know and love about the character can pretty much be summed up as damage control.....
Obviously all the men in Rob, whatever his last name is, stories are homosexual, they could only penetrate each other. He's a visionary I tell you! 7:40
Psychobot Are you looking for an awesome story line to get you hooked on the character or just a good spot to start from? Because I've read ALL of them...
Psychobot For me, it didn't really get emotionally engaging until Gwen died. I'd say skip ahead to there because Gerry Conway's writing was stellar beyond that point, even if the dialogue was occasionally kind of cheesy. 70s and 80s are the golden years.
Rob Liefeld was the main reason I stopped buying comics. Not only because of his atrocious "artwork", but because everyone who should have spoken up about it did not do so, and just blindly signed it off for the next stage of the process. Colorist, inker, editor, printer and whoever else, all stayed silent. I can only theorise that Liefeld exudes some sort of reality distortion field that warps the vision, discernment and decision making of everyone in his vicinity.
6:10 Juggetnauts right leg has a skinny hand where his foot should be. I mean I know you have trouble drawing feet Rob but my God that's not even close.
Just found your channel and love these bad comic art videos. But Jesus Christ make them more frequently! I don't want to wait 6 months for another, my dudez!
Unfortunately I don't remember which issue it was, but maybe you will, being a Spidey fan and all. But this drawing of MJ was so ugly I had to take a photo of it. i.imgur.com/4Z7KfkH.jpg
There was also a drawing of Bishop from the X-Men in a thong that was drawn by Dwayne Turner in thus video, had his name signed on it and everything! How did they miss that?
Captain America's chest looks like an open fridge
Tigran Pet I've seen porn comic artists with more talent than Liefeld.
The best in the porn comic industry definitely would be more talented than Liefeld. Drawing men and women that attractive requires an intimate knowledge of human anatomy.
Dude, porn comics require EVEN BETTER art style and details than a regular comic. Imagine that guy drawing the face of an orgasming person. It'll be the worst expression you'll possibly see in your entire life
no it looks like he’s got the thickest muscular suit ever and I’m not sure what’s with the weird shine balls on his shield.
It doesn't look that empty to me, but i still have to look at it every 5 minutes even tho i know nothing changed.
I hope you guys continue this series. I'm sick of those DeviantArt Cringe videos making fun of children's art and beginner artists. This makes me feel better to know that professional artists are imperfect and it actually inspires me to improve my art skills to do better than the professional artists you show in this series. Thank you for that!
Yeah
it wouldn't be so bad if they didn't pretend like they want to "help them", get off your high horses and just admit you're making fun of the images!
Spiderwing Parker27 Kind the reason why making fun of deviant art is the norm. It’s more interesting to see mistakes in published comics.
Do you have a website? Let's see your art.
Yah and he also goes for low hanging fruit like fetishes, of course the fetish would be weird and most likely drawn badly. It’s one thing to see a public sight have bad drawing but actual professional art being bad is better
*"YABBA DABBA DOOOOOOOOOOOOM!"*
From now on... I'll be using that XD !!!!!
Liefelds art is the embodiment of "I have one week to write this. I'll make it cool and hope no one notices"
Lol, and there always telling us we should learn anatomy before we can draw comics professionally
Jin Kazama Todd Mcfarlane mentioned that sometimes it doesn't matter if you're a mediocre artist, as long as you can hit deadlines.
Well yeah. You have to painstakingly learn alll that human anatomy stuff...and then, just as painstakingly ignore everything you learned. Not easy to do.
@@Trollificusv2 Hey I'm 35, and still have trouble with anatomy.
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10:17- Liefeld also stole Kaneda's bike from Akira
I was thinking that too.
I can’t unsee it.
But Akira is really popular, so they'll say an homage
CORD 😂 !!!!
I think you misspelled the title of the video. You don't spell Spider-man 2 PS2 let's play like that.
That was funny but this video was still great
sarkasmt2 yeah you do.
Liefeld may have a wierd ass art style but he did create cable and deadpool. Love him or hate him, u can't deny his contributions to the comic industry.
That captain America was a perspective MESS. Its a mix of poorly done 3/4 and profile.
"What am I doing with my life?" "Chubby's".
Goomboid LOL i noticed that too xD
I met Rob at a comic shop. He's a funny guy. Even funnier was the guy behind me in line got the famous buff cap art signed.i stuck around to see the look on his face when be signed it and it was priceless
his art style defined the 90s, people actually tried to imitate his style, he married a super model, was in a guess jeans commercial, and was a millionaire. Rob Liefeld absolutely made a deal with the devil.
It was actually a levi's 501 commercial.
When I was younger I always thought that super heroes and villains where extremely shiny, like they're made of chrome metal or something.
Were*
@@leonglitch yeah cheers. I know I made that typo. Even 5 years later theres someone to remind me
@@TotallyToonsTV I don't know if this is trying to congratulate me or be passive aggressive.
@@leonglitch I know it tricky to interpet in just pure text. I wasn't being passive aggressive, I typed that 5 years ago. I type so fast that typos happen often, I just couldn't be bothered correcting it.
HE. REFERENCED. METAL GEAR.
ruclips.net/video/zuNYZjsYV4A/видео.html
Oh no... that's like... referencing anything memeable.
1:40 I feel really bad for that shrunken man's junk. mtv would probably make a video about his man spreading
Overkill Wolf or worse. Both!
they shrunk his entire body except the junk
Toxic Hazard don't you mean buzzfeed
Now i get that joke from deadpool 2 about domino and a guy not being able to draw feet.
"You ruined Cable's favorite pair of mom jeans!"
Haha
comics fan you'll never look normal again, but at least you won't get wierder! Lol. These dudes are incompetent!
@@samuelparker9882 are yo complaining about them complaining about bad comic art??????
3:33 Realizing that he drew him with only 3 fingers actually made me laugh for a couple minutes
Spiderman with the proportions of a dog
Coming soon to the Spiderverse SPIDER HOUND
spider cheems
When Rob Liefeld draws Captain America he draws him like himself. Rob Liefeld thinks he looks like Captain America.
Egomaniac indeed
I think it’s more he thinks Captain America looks like him
Damn pouches... what do all those characters carry there?
Yurgen Véliz more muscles
lol damn right!
Yurgen Véliz The pouches actually carry more pouches. Which carry even more pouches. They're like Russian nesting dolls that way.
Alternate dimensions
Crack
Rob Liefeld makes self-taught artists look bad.
I was far too willing to believe that there was an actually a Rob Liefeld original character named Nathanial “Cord” Winters
I think something like that exist
4:44 _"Getting their cheeks blown out?"_
Are we in prison? Is this Riker's Island?
Looking at Rob Liefield art makes me feel better about my amateur art.
the phone call part killed me
Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my leg... and my arm... even my fingers. The body I've lost... the comrades I've lost... won't stop hurting... It's like they're all still there. You feel it, too, don't you? I'm gonna make them give back our past.
wish he would have added a comment explains why this series was canned instead of just a tweet thread but here’s why the series was canned.
1.They’re not a lot of really horrible comic art out there and they don’t want to do ten episodes of Rob Liefeld or Ken Penders
2.Despite hundreds of submissions a lot of them don’t really provide bad art
3.They don’t want to feel like a dick because artist work really hard with bad deadlines and this series just highlights the worse out of their portfolio(all though I don’t think it would be too big of a problem as long as they made that clear and maybe montage some of their really good work, like what he did with that one Wolverine image or Injustice panel).
4.Comments for this series are vitriolic.
This was a tweet from 2018. I don’t know why it took so long for him to cancel this series publicly but he did do it on Twitter
it surprises me that Rob Liefeld hasn't got sued yet, he was infamous of copied characters. what a hack.
I remenbered he """"""""""created"""""""""""" a character that was a copy of X-Men's Illyana Rasputin
To be fair Rob has improved his art style since the 90’s.
I sure am glad he has improved some in the last THIRTY YEARS
No he hasn’t…it’s actually worse 😒
10:42 his nose looks like when you would get loads of error windows opened at the same time
5:50 he is looking at the words “among us”
They’re down there
So now that you've covered Liefeld, when will you cover Chris Chan?
There's nothing left to say about him.
who is Chris chan?
He's the guy behind Sonichu.
I think they would not cover Sonichu since the focus of their videos are mainstream ones like Marvel or DC and not some Internet comic. But you have a point, it's just that some channels are not into that shit.
John Mitchell Sonichu is like the troll 2 of comic books.
Well, I guess at least we can say Liefeld doesn’t have a foot fetish.
If I ever saw Rob liefeld at a con I would love to ask him "How do you respond the the criticism that you can't draw feet?"
Foot fetish, Liefeld's true nemesis and archenemy
I would like to highly recommend Frank Miller's god awful art. Holy Terror is a great reference for terrible artwork
I think Frank Miller's art only works in Sin City because it's in black and white. Otherwise it just sucks.
His art made me puke.
Whether it be a result of age or his growing insanity, Frank Miller's art has been getting steadily worse over the ages. For reference, compare The Dark Knight Returns to Holy Terror.
@@chrisossu2070 Then compare Holy Terror to The Dark Knight Strikes Again.
Millers early work was really good. Something happened after Dark Knight returns.
The throat clearing was the perfect lead-in to a Christian Bale Batman impression from the last two movies.
newsflash. He didn't create Deadpool,nor Domino,nor XForce. He is an over hyped creation of Marvel. He also despises being called Co creator...whatever that may be.....
Hey, I think I remember you. Aren't you that guy who does vlogs about Rob Liefeld stealing your idea for Deadpool in the late 80s? I saw some of your videos a few years back.
GodzillaMendoza He didn't steal an idea. He took credit for creating things he didn't create. it's called piracy. stay tuned. things will be happening soon.
Deadpool's real Dad Oh boy! Can't wait to watch that lawsuit!
xDDD
Deadpool's real Dad where's these videos at?
Please bring this back. Besides your retrospectives these were my favorite videos on this channel!
I always wondered what other professional comic artists thought of Rob and his artwork.
Apparently Robert Kirkman who did Marvel zombies and the walking dead, admires him and thinks he's a good artist. He said it in an interview with a comic RUclips channel, look it up.
I feel like I'm looking at the American equivalent of bad yaoi art
Omg 😂😂😂😂 this is gold 🎉
As a fifteen year old aspiring artist, rob seinfeld makes me feel a lot better about my shitty art
The thing is, exaggerated proportional body parts *can* be done correctly.
Rob Lifield may not know how to do it right, I personally believe that comic art is about making the art look as interesting, dramatic, and exciting as possible.
Does Rob Lifield do those things?
Well, yeah when you really think of it (in a bad way), the art is so bad, that you're interested in it. But, it could be worse.
Liefeld is shameless, why we love him.
David & I are both the same in that we have depressing lives & question why we're here.
GRSsonick aren't we all?
They fact that you were able to run with the phone calls going on and make it entertaining without having it feel like it was dragging--I swear that's some amazing wizardry.
Let's not forget that without Rob we wouldn't have deadpool
Without DC's Deathstroke we wouldn't have Deadpool.
I think a liefeld cinematic universe has potential if they do it right. If they do it as a parody and don’t take it over seriously
18:17 Rob... You could have just moved the head and neck forward on the body, enlarge the shield and adjust the muscles' sizes. Just a shame photoshop didn't exist yet.
11-Years' Photoshop User here.
Youngblood 1 and 2 certainly prove that he was already messing with said software.
(and BTW, Photoshop was also used in the industry in those years,
as many Draw! Magazine Interviews can confirm)
There's a particular splash page with that Wolverine knock-off where it's clear
that his head was cropped and resized before being traced and inked.
my new mantra "must draw better than Rob Liefeld!" my daughter walks by and goes "not hard"
He created Deadpool and Cable, which forgives much.
If using other character designers' original parts and assembling them randomly can be considered "creations", then sure.
Too bad that nobody remembers which where the writers that made said "original characters" be unique.
And still, Liefeld will always take the check and the credit for that.
That forgives much too, right?
It looks like Rob started drawing Cap from a side view, then the power went out and he was like "I have a deadline to meet, I'll stop for nothing!"
It'S nOt A mAsK iT's A hElMeT
18:36 He was talking about his career and him re-launching a series.
18:40 "All i can say to that is..."
Ad for RUclips membership plays: "Welcome Back!"
what am I doing with my life
chubby's
5:48 What is Juggernaut so pissed about? He can see Rob's horrendous attempt at feet.
At least Liefeld got a job and a career in the comic book industry. He made it which others were rejected.
On the other hand, one of the reasons why the comic book industry fell back in the 90s other than weak storylines and concept was the numerous printing of first issues particularly those from Marvel Comics.
Many felt that those first issues say X-Men, Spiderman, X-Force, etc. will become as expensive as those from The Golden Age or even The Silver Age.
But they didn't!
Well that is also Why they sold so much in the 90’s because people thought comics would become the big next thing. They just did not realise that something that is printed 2 million times is not going to be worth as much as something that was printed one thousand times.
@@_vixen_4504 it was also why both Spider Man and X-Men 1 were best sellers.
@@flip1sba well that and that the artists made them hip and actually seem like they weren't some old remnant of the 60's. Just look at Todd Mcfarlane's run on spiderman and his own run on spiderman. It was interesting and he made spider man actually seem like a guy who had gotten bitten by a radioactive spider. He had cool poses and he made the Web interesting to break away from the fishing rod that they had been using for the last 25 years.
@@_vixen_4504 TM redefined Spiderman. He also had his eyes bigger and gave him a more matured theme.
All you did was nitpick his artstyle the entire video. Honestly by the sound of it, it seems like you honestly expect every comic artist or cartoonist to draw characters as photo realistic or as close to real as possible.
difference between style, photo realism, and basic anatomy and effort.
@@pcpt not really, no
@@finediningandbreathing07 a little late, but yes there definitely is. photo realism is completely different from making proportionate figures. you can have stylized figures with exaggerated features that aren’t completely anatomical abominations. also avoiding drawing faces bc ur lazy does not mean “style” what the fuck are u smoking 💀
Ah man, I like laughing at this until I realise my artwork is shit too
5:21 among us
Why does Rob Liefeld hate feet?
rob is laughing all the way to the bank
This is a great episode! Gotta hand it to ya. I haven't enjoyed this series that much, but glad I gave this one a shot. Great material to work with, and the unplanned phone call was great to keep in. Hope you do more like this in the future!
The commentary is hilarious lol
Rob Liefield is the Seth MacFarlane of comics
"I'm asking figuratively." Riiiiiiiiight.
Dru-Is-Here Shhhhhhhh.
It's still a bit mind blowing how Deadpool is pretty much another similar story to Batman in that everything people know and love about the character can pretty much be summed up as damage control.....
Man can't wait for that next episode
Liefeld
Lie
Rob Liarfeld
Obviously all the men in Rob, whatever his last name is, stories are homosexual, they could only penetrate each other. He's a visionary I tell you! 7:40
I really want to get into Spider-Man comics, but I really don't know where a good starting point is. What story line would you suggest?
Psychobot Are you looking for an awesome story line to get you hooked on the character or just a good spot to start from? Because I've read ALL of them...
I just read issues 68 -77 because I have the 8th Masterworks collection but that's it. So I guess a good story.
From what I've read I'm now completely fucking hooked on the 60's series but its not exactly the most emotionally gripping.
Psychobot For me, it didn't really get emotionally engaging until Gwen died. I'd say skip ahead to there because Gerry Conway's writing was stellar beyond that point, even if the dialogue was occasionally kind of cheesy. 70s and 80s are the golden years.
Thanks! I've been noticing a lot of the cheesy dialogue, a couple people said "Cool Cat" and Peter said "Groovy" at one point.
I made the mistake of drinking water while watching this
God this guy's art style bothers me
Based on the width of their torsos those poor women lost more internal organs than All Might
Even at his best, Rob Liefeld's art is screwed up looking. Some pieces are outright nightmare fuel.😱
8:45 Hands down the funniest part of this video lmao
..And you're right. Your version of Spiderman is better.
personally I feel like his art is better now, and just because he was bad at art doesn't mean he's a bad person
Rob Liefeld was the main reason I stopped buying comics. Not only because of his atrocious "artwork", but because everyone who should have spoken up about it did not do so, and just blindly signed it off for the next stage of the process. Colorist, inker, editor, printer and whoever else, all stayed silent. I can only theorise that Liefeld exudes some sort of reality distortion field that warps the vision, discernment and decision making of everyone in his vicinity.
In the first image i just noticed that Cap's forehead is bigger than an artillery shell.
But i gotta go to school but i must watch this video
SR SUPER SACOLA don't go to school
SR SUPER SACOLA go to school for Peter Parker level smarts 😂 or at least try to get there
1:46 "comic books became about looking cool over being written well." He immediately cuts to a panel from the ✨️only✨️ comic I owned as a kid. 😂
6:10 Juggetnauts right leg has a skinny hand where his foot should be. I mean I know you have trouble drawing feet Rob but my God that's not even close.
Did Rob Liefeld start drawing with his off hand(or his feet) and go by the name Pedo? What's up with that?
That disclaimer was pretty savage.
Just found your channel and love these bad comic art videos. But Jesus Christ make them more frequently! I don't want to wait 6 months for another, my dudez!
Unfortunately I don't remember which issue it was, but maybe you will, being a Spidey fan and all. But this drawing of MJ was so ugly I had to take a photo of it. i.imgur.com/4Z7KfkH.jpg
Cam Sim she looks like the crypt keeper
Liefeld is truly the Tommy Wiseau of comics.
So glad to see this back and I really like your intro. :)
It'd be far more interesting to explain WHY he adopted this style. Hideous as they are, these decisions are obviously decisions and not mistakes.
The only thing worse than Liefeld's artwork is his writing.
That logo on GodzillaMenoza’s avatar reminds me of how I thought that Deadpool was Spider-man till I was like, 10
*I-I’ll let myself out*
YES!!!! It's FINALLY HERE! THANK YOU!
Thank intro is soooooooo COOOOOLLLL
16:22 this picture of captain America reminds me the Hyperion body mold.
>objectively draw a better spiderman than Rob Liefeld
alright... great video guys....
while Xavier is talking to his whacky parents David is having an existensial crisis that probably continues until (even after) the end of the video.
Few pieces of art weren't even Rob Liefelds art. One even has the original artists name right on it.
robnor101 If you're talking about the Spawn cover, that was in reference to Rob creating the character Overt-Kill
There was also a drawing of Bishop from the X-Men in a thong that was drawn by Dwayne Turner in thus video, had his name signed on it and everything! How did they miss that?
10:52 the more i look at that bowljaw thing picture, the worse it gets
Love the new opening!
DarkHero Gamer Same.
Spiderman has a badonkadonk
Great to find this. I thought I was the only one who hated Rob Liefeld's work !
You don't go online too much, don't you?