Everything You Know About This Image Is WRONG!
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- Опубликовано: 9 мар 2023
- Rob Liefeld's infamous Captain America drawing has become the stuff of comic book legend. And as with all legends, it's hard to know what's true and what's complete BS. In this video, Josh from Panels to Pixels busts some myths about the so-called "worst comic book art of all time".
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When putting together my portfolio, my art teacher told me, "you will be judged by your worst piece."
Sure.
Whatever.
Thats a glass half empty way to put it
@@DeathnoteBB it's about maximizing your impression. So only put your best stuff in it. It's better to have a lean portfolio that's only good works than to have a phat one with some mediocre works mixed in. Also you want your 2nd best work first, your 3rd best in the middle, and your best piece last.
@@philv2529 What I was told was you want a portfolio with your best stuff up front
The fact Jim Lee pointed out what's wrong with it and he refused makes it way more hilarious. Appreciate the unexpected topic.
That is what it means to create context ---
To be fair if I'm drawing something really quickly to be done that day and I'm being told at like 2 in the morning that I need to make changes, I' also saying "Nah man"
This guy ranks Liefeld as a better artist than Lee in another video. LOL.
@@NoticeDesignyikes
@@NoticeDesigndepending on how you look at it . Liefeld's art was aometimes weird but the way he put things on a page was ahead of his time.
I may not be a fan of liefeld as an artist or person but as a man obsessed with history I admire your dedication to preserving historical fact and not promoting myth, legend or narrative.
Stone me, but Rob Liefield was one of the reasons why I started drawing, not because he was the best, but because he drew both badly and well at the same time, and I thought I could do that too, and to this day I can draw incredibly detailed inked pictures with terrible anatomy. :D
I always felt he drew badly but was really good at it 🤣
But I do love his art for what it is. Gods know I can't draw half as well...
And as a teen in the early 90's and fairly new to comics, good or bad, there's a lot of happy memories in there. 😁
Wow that's honestly the best way you could put his work. Speaking as someone who doesn't really like him I agree
What I like about his work is that it’s instantly recognizable
I did the same, his early sharp edges taught me a lot.
😂😂😂😂
I think a large part of the reason the arm looks too short is actually that his shield is too high. Cap's shield is gripped in or near the center, yet your draw-through has his hand on the bottom edge.
Lowering the shield would both reveal more of the arm, making the anatomy easier to understand, and better place it in Cap's hand.
I'm not sure the shield would be gripped in the middle. Most shields I'm familiar with are a two strap system. The arm goes thru a top strap and down to a hand strap at the bottom. I don't disagree with your overall point, but I'm not sure the center grip explaination is correct.
Rob Liefeld would be like the best artist in your high school. He never developed his knowledge past that level but it’s okay because his audience was young guys in high school. I never knew his anatomy was wrong at the time, I just liked the dynamism and that was aided by him not adhering strictly to anatomy
No, he would have been the 9th best artist in my middle school. The 8th best artist could draw feet.
@@RansomeStoddard Liefield not being able to draw feet is such a weird myth about the guy, he's drew feet all the time if anything it's more impressive that manages to draw hands in such crazy poses because any artist will tell you drawing hands is far more difficult then fucking feet.
@@kaiser1963 Myth? I have a bunch of his books and it’s no myth. His feet, when he chooses to include them in a picture, are diamonds or Tic-Tacs. His hands aren’t much better as his fists are the same size as the wrists. Let’s not even get started on his inconsistent light sources or how often he copied the work of other artists. Now maybe he had improved over the years, I don’t know. I never followed him over at Image.
Exactly - years back I called him the Ramones of comics
Spot on.i was in top 10.maybe #6
If it was going for that bodybuilding pose, it doesn't work because the far arm is required to be in front of the torso for those pectorals to flex.
There's a lot of things proportionally wrong with the drawing. Even with all the corrections to try and hide them the major flaw is it has Captain America facing both profile and 3/4 at the same time. His arm, shoulder and head are in profile while his torso is in 3/4.
He wanted to show off caps fat pecs
Unintentional cubism
This video also ignores the fact that Caps neck and head are placed ridiculously out of alignment with his waist. In the Arnold pic, even with him arching his back and twisting, his neck is still generally stacked over his waist. And it has to be pointed out, one of Arnold's legs is positioned behind him, to compensate for that arch, otherwise he would fall over backwards. Caps legs are clearly both straight up and down below his waist, he can't be arching his back to that extreme.
@bad71able yeah, the guy in the video missed the mark with that one, even with all the superficial corrections, theres a reason why it looks so uncanny. It looks like the chest was photoshopped in to an otherwise okay illustration.
Wait... The fundamental problem with the image was always that the front of the chest was a 3/4 view whilst the rest of this torso was in profile.
So bringing that up as a defense is a really odd thing to do.
Exactly! His body is warped altogether. Lol
No, the problem is people thought proportions are off. They aren't if he'd taken another hour to complete the image. Drop the shield and add the other arm. Jesus you missed the point of a well made video. Lmao
@@ottomattix86 I'm sorry but I don't agree.
There is no way that a human's back can be perpendicular to the observer whilst their chest is rotated 45degrees towards you without them having been split in two.
This video explains those two angles whilst saying that they aren't a problem.
It's fun to be a contrarian and say "here's a thing that lots of people like, and here's why it's bad" or "here's a thing everyone seems to hate and here's why it's good" but if you are going to critique something based on technical elements. There is a right and wrong in this case.
Perspective is a technical skill, anatomy is something that can be drawn accurately or inaccurately... I'm absolutely fine with people saying that they like this image, and seeing the inaccuracies as a stylistic choice. But to pretend that they are some kind of alternative version of accurate is delusional.
@@MultiMattRogers I don't think his back is perpendicular to the observer. Those lines are his triceps. That follows if you look at the reference. If anything, the criticism should be that it just doesn't read like 3/4 because the shield obstructs the waistline, which muddies the perspective.
It's even mentioned in the video. Bodybuilding pose that he's supposedly referencing is only physically possible by the subject wrapping their arms around their body as in the photo. That's what makes the muscles pop in that unusual way. So without that musculature on the back can't be tensed in that way. So without that you're left seeing both cap's back and front without any reasoning for it.
Even with this explanation its bad anatomy. Given how much time rob spent drawing muscles you'd think he'd put some thought into how they work. But no. The leifeld universe every muscle is flexed all of the time.
The main issue people seem to have had with him was his personality at the time. No amount of advice or criticism seemed to reach him, even by his peers. His work was moving issues and it inflated his ego. By the time he did that button fly commercial people had begun to sour to him. It didn't help that the boom brought a lot of fans who'd just read "How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way" which pointed out a lot of his artistic flaws.
It really was kind of a perfect storm. His art got a bit lazy, but he was drawing an obscene amount of issues at once. A classic "don't spread yourself too thin" cautionary tale.
I don't know if that is true. There's a video where Todd McFarlane says "your anatomy is so bad" to his face and Rob Liefield just answerers with a humble"yeah, it's true".
@@JesusProtectsThat video doesn't really prove much, really. Besides, Todd also told him his haircut sucks in that same interview/documentary but Liefeld kept his style. 🤷♂️
@@manuelpatino7863 Maybe he didn't agree to everything Todd said? Mind blown.
@@jprice_ Ahh, another boomer with the self-narrating inserts at the end of his sentence. *Mind not blown*
Back in the late 80s I was geting into comics and immediately was a huge fan of Gruenwald's CAPTAIN AMERICA run, and his series DP7.
He actually replied to letters sent in now and then, sent on offical Marvel post cards, and getting them in the mail unexpectedly blew my young mind.
He loved his job and it showed.
RIP and thanks again, Mark.
I wish more modern comics writers loved their jobs and weren't just shilling out garbage.
8:03 this is a great demonstration of how composition and posing can massively affect whether a character looks "right" even if anatomy is technically correct.
I would argue that the writer of this video tries to map a three quarters posse on what is clearly a profile picture in order to excuse the proportions. It’s clearly cap from the side and that is why it’s look so odd.
But odd isn’t bad. Odd can be creative and fun too. Liefeld was drawing an alternate dimension Cap so why not take liberties with it. Honestly Robb’s biggest issue(other then feet and lazy backgrounds) was that he was terrible at consistency so his Cap could look almost grotesque in one panel and then look more traditional in the next.
Even without Cap posing like a body builder you should at least see his left shoulder, but we don't, because he's not turning towards the viewer. It's right from the side.
If he's sideways the chest juts out absurdly and with a tilt. If he's at an angle, his right shoulder should be farther left. This drawing is a mess.
To me it still looks bad his chest is just way too big.
I don’t think Cap should even be this big at all honestly.
Love this mythbusting format Josh - great stuff!
Honestly, that cap image is not even one of Rob's worst or most questionable images. It's his most famous one for sure, but it's not liefield at his worst. Rob's problem art wise is usually perspective. He also tends to draw really pointy feet (or avoid drawing feet), though I think he gets a lot of extra flack for what everyone was doing in the 90s. The single shoulder pads, the endless straps, pouches, and muscles. The women who are wearing either skin tight clothing or battle bikini's in weird poses. The endless string of forgettable heroes that had #1s cause of the comic boom in the 90s. Though all these things happened at other points and with other artists. Jack Kirby didn't like drawing ears for instance and the 40s had just as many forgettable superheroes cause characters like Superman and Batman got super popular. The 40s also had just about every superhero being a copy of superman, Batman, or captain America art wise and that's not even going into the over-use of the damsel in distress. I'm not saying it's not completely undeserved, but I do agree to some extent that the backlash to his art is a bit overblown.
Fantastic video, Josh. You did a tremendous job at chronicling the fascinating history of this image. I'm also glad you took the time to debunk the Gruenwald story in such a tasteful and sincere way. Well done!
I had seen the image and read Gruenwald comics long before I found out that this comic was rumored to have killed him, and I always found that ridiculous. Sometimes I feel sorry that so many people credit Gruenwald for "being killed by Liefeld" and puting his ashes in his own comic, instead of crediting his fantastic writing.
Mark Grunewalds work on Captain America comics is so underrated
I think the main problem with Liefleld art is the digital coloring. I love his early New Mutants art. I think it's just the modern coloring that breaks it. Don't understand why Liefeld sticks to that though.
I think Digital Coloring played a huge role in Liefeld's eventual lambasting online. I'm not a fan of Youngblood but the first couple of issues have way better art and are easier to read due to their flatter and brighter color schemes which given that Liefeld was self taught and digital coloring was a brand new thing at the time, he probably didn't realize just how much of his work was going to be altered during the digital more stylized coloring technique that came into popularity.
I think digital coloring hurt a lot of artists during the 90s. Since large muscular bodies were in fashion, suddenly hitting them with the darker digital coloring style made them look all the stranger and probably contributed to their eventual decline.
Jim Lee's art looked way better with flat coloring than digital.
I've never heard the Gruenwald claim before. And while I haven't read Howe's book, that excerpt sounds like an example of a weakness rather than a strength, at least if the book was meant to convey facts rather than create fiction.
@@ooneybird27 It was Stan Lee's job to sell Marvel. Howe's book is presented as chronicling the true stories, which would make it Howe's job to be honest.
Thank you for making this. When I first got into comics I was on board with the Liefeld hate train but the more I studied the medium and the more I got into comics, the more I began to appreciate Liefeld's work. Then I looked into the infamous Captain America drawing, now I'm not a bodybuilder by any means but I am a pro wrestler who does bodybuilding exercises since I have a passing interest in the sport, I also have a prop Captain America shield(he's my favorite) and despite me being under 200 lbs, I can actually recreate the Captain America pose to prove that it's just a trick of the eye. My chest is nowhere near as big as Arnold Schwarzenegger's but if I can recreate that pose, then anyone with any muscle mass on their pectorals can do it.
Bodybuilders look weird. They look inhuman so of course if you reference them since they do dynamic posing routines, they're going to look strange when put to pen and paper.
I also dislike how Liefeld's been absolutely berated by comic fans for his hyper muscular art style. If you follow the man's current line of work then you'll see that like all artists must do, he's evolved with the times. He no longer does the hyper muscular mass monster type bodies unless it has a point or in the character's design(see Hulk or Juggernaut). But what I actually appreciate about his work is that despite evolving with the times he still managed to maintain a recognizable style that's distinctively Liefeld. It really proves just how talented he truly is because in the 90s everybody tried drawing like him or imitating his style but to this day, nobody actually draws like he does.
I get that he's polarizing nowadays, but I get excited when I hear that he's working on a book because I know what I'll get. Something visually interesting, honest, and has an emphasis on action, heroics, and cool characters. That's all I want in comics.
Great work on this video. Was waiting for it to drop and it didn't disappoint. I appreciate your insight and perspective. Keep up the great work!
Good work!👍🏾 Knowing that he doubled-down on the look when given the chance to retract the sketch is STILL hilarious😂
I was 13 when that came out as an ad. At the time it was the pinnacle of comic art
"Salacious Shitslinging" sounds like a great name for a spiteful villain.
LOVED THE VIDEO!! Love hearing you talk about comics history and the art itself!
I dont get the animosity of internet bugmen against Rob, he is a fairly uncontroversial guy and very nice when talking to fans.
No one said he wasn’t a nice guy. It’s just his art sucks and he’s not a great it writer either. Still, though, if I ever met the guy, I would shake his hand and say thank you for your contribution to the business that I love.
Erm....just don't go to his Twitter....
He steals from his fans. Look up the Brigade crowdfunder from 2012 he has been gaslighting people about since the campaign closed.
@Coy Wicks I'll say it. He gaslights and steals from his biggest fans. Not the casuals who just interact with him online, but people who give him money. Don't ever back a crowdfunding campaign of his, and do not order from his website, both actions are just throwing money into a pit. I learned this the hard way. I used to be one of his biggest fans, but he went on a decade long effort to make sure me and everyone else who threw money at him in 2012 would regret ever supporting him.
I was working at Diamond, and we were told it was a promo piece and a place card was going to cover the lower half of the pic. No one made a big deal out of it like the kids who weren't even alive back then do today.
The one thing you don’t bring up is at this point in Liefeld’s career he had a studio of freelancers working for him that he allegedly took credit for their work. It’s possible he didn’t even draw that picture and was just like “it’s fine Jim” because he didn’t want to redraw it himself or get the freelancer back in to fix it.
As a comic collector in that time I remember his style and loved it as a kid. As an adult I realize it’s shortcomings but people forget that he wasn’t the only one drawing in that style. Personally while the 90s are not my favorite comic era as far as art goes I prefer those comics to the early 2000s push back, especially post X-Men movie where costumes became boring and attempts were made to make them more “realistic”. Plus early computer drawn images and coloring was definitely an art form that needed to evolve.
The real freelancer story is that during the early years of image, when the founders had essentially free reign over everything they produced Rob started creating an absurd amount of books(Youngblood,Prophet,Supreme,Brigade and Bloodstrike), he didn't want to leave or cancel any of the books he started picking some writers and artists that were part of a Image project that tried to get more writers/editors/inkers and letterers, Rob would send them the plot so they would do the script and gesture drawings so they would complete(which having seen his gesture drawings was pretty much everything) if they accepted he helped them publish their books and would put a preview of their books on his, never heard any problem about proper crediting, and it seems that he stopped doing it after not long after since even with this whole pricedure it still was a shit load of work so many books were ended, he put new teams altogether on some or they went on a hiatus.
The problem with that theory of freelance doing the artwork is drawing style is like a finger print. That is clearly his drawing style, and I mean it's all messed up looking in proportions.
Did you not watch the video? Rob literally talks about drawing it lol.
@@randallrohr623 You know people can lie right?
Cap is captured just when he is performing his alternative pec flex...very few people get it.
Absolutely fascinating piece, thanks for putting this together! I love getting multiple perspectives on issues and this was a really wonderful presentation of a perspective I don't think I'd ever encountered. This is also especially interesting to me as someone who was collecting Marvel comics when Liefeld joined them, and I still have in my basement many of his earliest Marvel works, including X-Factor #40 and the first appearances of Cable and Deadpool in the New Mutants. I really ought to get some of them appraised one of these days...
I probably saw this for the first time in Wizard magazine. That shot of Arnie really makes the difference in comparison. If only Cap had an arm flexed....
Yeah, I thought once a couple of years ago to look deeper into this matter and as a result I found a lot of bodybuilder photos that resembled that infamous drawing and thought "Hmmmmm, despite the collecrive brain power of the Internet the Internet can be stupid sometimes and believe nonsense with only surface level examination".
That said the issue that remains is that this kind of hulking bodybuilder physique doesn't fit with a character like Captain America even if it exists in real life.
Comic Steve Rogers is 6 feet two inches, and 240 pounds. When that pic was taken, Arnold was 6 feet two inches and 240 pounds. Rogers has always been drawn muscular as hell. He didn't get thinner until modern writers took over.
Years ago there were issues of Spider-Man with a horrible drawing of Spider-Man climbing a wall and his back jutting out horribly.
"Yes. I DO want to die on This Hill."
Great insightful video, love your type of vids! Gonna check more of your work for sure.
Keep it up!
Cap's face also looks pretty strange.
Amazing how "urban legends" get started and maintain steam.✌🏽
Keep fighting for that 90s art my dude.
That culture was what you get when you pair artistic freedom with fan service.
90s kids unite!!
Life-long low key Liefeld fan! His art has a unique style I have always loved. Shoulder pads... Pockets... Pouches... And weird looking feet. 😂
This is an absolutely fantastic video. Smashed it yet again, dude.
I knew all this already - BUT you put it together BEAUTIFULLY! (actually you beat me to it, I wanted to do a video myself, but now Ill just lead everyone to this video!)
If your case for his anatomy not sucking is redrawing the image with a dramatically different pose, I think his anatomy still sucks.
If anything I think this drawing and what we now know about it actually reinforces how bad he is. He's already well know to use tracings and work from there. And he has admitted that this was done in a hurry late at night. So I figure that there's about a 100% chance he traced a bodybuilder in one pose then decided on using another. That combined with his lack of knowledge/care about how human anatomy actually works is why this looks so awkward.
I'll bet it's also why he can't draw feet. It's for the same reason that older versions of Midjourney can't draw hands. It's because they are not commonly in the source image.
That was not his case tho.
You're missing the problem with it. Disclaimer: I do understand it was a quick promo piece and ultimately, its fine for that. On the Arnie photo, I can tell that his opposite shoulder is in the correct place, well in front of the facing shoulder. On the Cap drawing, it looks like his opposite shoulder is directly behind the one we see. Thats why it looks wrong. :)
Yeah, it can only make sense of Cap’s entire arm is missing, from the shoulder down. Maybe some shark-man (or alligator) character bit it off.
Wow man, EXCELLENT video. I can't believe your channel is this small and I'm very, very happy with RUclips's recommendations right now for bringing me here. Subbed and about to go on a really fun dive into your content!
“Ridiculous, petty, and cruel” Is the working title for the INTERNET!
So much respect for you and this video. The online comics hive-mind mob can be incredibly frustrating. Amazing video as always 🙏🏻
As a big Mark Gruenwald fan who isn't fond of Rob's work, I've always found the whole Rob killed Mark thing weird, like I've never understood it, wondered if it was just a bad taste joke and it just always made me uncomfortable.
Coming back for a rewatch after seeing Liefeld drew a new cover with Sam Wilson in this same pose (but now it actually will be printed as a variant).
Brother, you are truly doing the Lord's work. That re-worked image @ 8:04 REALLY contextualizes Liefeld's image, which I usually thought of as merely lazy, not actually bad art per-se...
It is lazy since, well, he referenced an entirely different pose, flex and perspective to go off of.
I wouldn't use a picture of someone jumping to draw someone crawling. This is the lazy mistake he made above all else, before he even started drawing.
This was a fantastic video. Instantly subscribed. Prepare for some new comments on old videos.
Just subscribed; good work. I have enjoyed the video a lot. Cheers!
Beautiful production values here. Subscribed.
That reference you made to fans wondering if the Moon Knight meme would be in the show made me think of the “I’m the Juggernaut, bitch!” line from the RUclips video(s) that actually got used in X3 lol
this is such a good video. cheers man!
Thank you for this video and all of the research you've done here.
Whenever I get a fresh batch of RUclips videos to watch I always leave yours 'til last, Josh - 'cause no matter how much I enjoy the others, I always know there is something better yet to come; you never disappoint, and I always finish my viewing on a high.
This one is no exception.
Whilst I'm not a fan of Liefeld's art (I'm more in the Perez, Buscema, Byrne camp), you've certainly opened my mind to an appreciation of its merits for others.
I've known a few artists in my lifetime - writers, painters, musicians, a poet, and a sculptor - and they've all been their worst critics; I've yet to meet one that ever really wants to stop "fiddling" with their work, and I'm sure Liefeld is no exception. This particular piece, were it meant for general consumption, would no doubt have been altered considerably before being published... The hatred for it just goes to show there was still a bandwagon to jump on before the advent of the internet's social media!
As always, an excellent, top-notch video Josh.
And again, as always in my usual shallow way, I compliment you on being one helluva handsome Dude!
Stay safe always, Fella - You and yours. :)
Have you done anything about Norm Breyfogle? His art was unique and iconic, and honestly, I didn't appreciate him enough when he was alive.
This is a great video. The criticisms I had while watching were all eventually soothed, you hit every mark fs
it's the angle of Cap's right shoulder that makes his right hand looks flat across while his chest are more lining to the right a bit just like the Arnold's photo reference
I honestly quite like Rob Liefeld, I've never spoken to him before, but he does seem like a really nice guy IRL.
And if he was that bad, then why were people not only still buying his comics, but exploding the industry in sales?
i really dont know, cuz they actually look like shit
It's amazing how much time has been devoted to talking about this horrific drawing over the years.
This is a fantastic piece! Great research!
What! People didn't like your Rob Liefeld/Cobain video? I thought it was genius! It gave me an appreciation of the raw emotion of the Image crew and the fascinating vulnerability of a lot of Liefeld's work. Hell, it made me appreciate comic art more in general. Don't let the haters get you down, PtP!
Love this video and the attempt to stay grounded.
Its crazy I am old enough to know this was not in an actual book just in a promo
In like 2016 I took a comic book drawing class at my local library, and the teacher showed us this picture.
I also dimly recall him showing us a very 90s woman whose spine was doing thing no human spine could or should do; if that wasn't also Liefeld, it was very Liefeld-esque.
I remember watching Arnold documentary on Netflix few weeks ago and the moment I saw Arnie in that pose on some archival photo I immediately thought of Rob's Captain America and I understood everything right then
Well researched and laid out. Thank you. I always appreciate when misinformation of that sort is debunked. I can't say exactly when I first saw that image, but I am certain I've seen it many times over the years.
I’ve seen this image all over the Internet, but I never realized there was so much to it. I’d never heard the story about the heart attack, which even if I had, I’d probably assume it was internet commenters fabricating rumors (as they do best).
Fascinating video for sure. I’ll be slightly less critical of this image going forward, although Liefeld characters with triangular feet and dozens upon dozens of teeth are still fair game.
He also drew the Beast with only four toes .
I distinctly remember seeing that giant DD chest drawing in comic books
i feel validated when I watch your videos. another great one.
I didn't quite realize it was never published in a Cap comic, but it's definitely primarily just ridiculous because Cap isn't supposed to be shaped like that, and he composed and posed it in a bit of an awkward way.
I didn't even know they were doing digital coloring in the 90s.
Keep up good work love your videos
Great video, PtP!
This guy looks exactly as you would imagine a Liefeld apologist would look
The first time I ever saw this image, was in an episode of Death Battle where they featured Cap. I think it was Cap vs Batman.
I’m a sucker for setting the record straight- nice work
This vid was really good; thank you! I may look for the Howe book; the subject is not only interesting but it might be a great exercise (and example) of how implication works and that type of false sense of cause and effect.
Great video brotha 😎🤙🏽🤙🏽
Excellent video. I always hated that Cap. America drawing but never understood it until now.
I do support your message of not being disrespectful to artists and other creators. It's sad and unbecoming behavior for anyone.
Thank you for that!
I remember seeing that drawing of Captain America in a old issue of Wizard Magazine when I was younger (that was an awesome magazine, really miss it)
Nice stuff. I myself remember the Sean Howe book mentioning Mark buying the comic, and to me it was less "this killed Mark!" than "this is a symbol of just how shitty it had gotten for Mark". I think the meme got out of control largely thanks to Linkara's "Rob Liefeld wrote a comic so bad it MAY HAVE KILLED A MAN!" statement, which took that snippet and ran with it.
My wife still cant believe "Blonde Loki" cut his hair. 🤣
Moon Knight threatening Dracula for money may *not* be an actual moment from the comics, but it *should* be. Comics should be fun.
As a mixed media digital artist, with a preference for unique styles rather than realism, I find this Drawing wonderful.
I wasn't wrong, i always just thought it looked stoopid, and it does.
Grats
Great video. Subscribed!
This was actually very insightful, great video.
The world needs more content like this. 👏 👏 👏
Really interesting video. An architecture professor taught us the technically correct way of doing perspective drawings -- then warned us that even something drawn the right way can look wrong to the eye.
i ALWAYS thought the same about the comparison with the arnold 3/4 pose
if he only put that back arm showing even a little . . .
As a kid I had at least one marvel comic book with that publicity drawing in it between the pages of the story. And at that time I already though it was weird
Great video !!! Anatomy plus correct posing is very important, because one can step on the others toes.
Superb video! I just subscribed.
I think I say it ever time, but this is one of the absolute best channels. Please keep doing what you do. Let’s get rid of misinformation. And you are NOT pedantic.
I love that even in the ‘best case scenario’ of this defence...that Rob was specifically told the chest looked wrong, and decided to do absolutely nothing about it...
And that it’s technically ‘anatomically correct’, providing you completely change the position of both the characters arms from what’s shown.
I should have tried that in my maths exam in highschool...all my answers were technically correct providing you change the numbers I wrote down
Another great video. Love your takes and insights. I too absolutely hate when someone brings up this piece to critique Liefeilds' work in general. He's one of my all time favorite artists. As a 90s kid, his work cemented my love for comics. I love the hyper realism to his art. And on some level, it's similar to Kirby in the way the art cokes first and the anatomy and function cokes second.
A man after my own heart! I want the truth no matter what. I hate defending someone I don’t like but at the same time I’m not going to be quiet while someone flat out lies about someone.
He says referring...ha ha ha reference it while its on your background layer and as your Wacom pen glided over it so very gracefully...