Buffy the Vampire Slayer 2x01 'When She Was Bad' REACTION!
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- First episode of Season 2 and the show is already hitting its stride with the powerful message regarding Buffy's trauma! We're glad our girl is okay and her friends are there to help! We can't wait to get further into this series!
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One of the best things about this show is that they don't brush over traumatic experiences with the characters getting over it in a single episode. Buffy is suffering from what we would recognise now as PTSD. She treated her friends badly, particularly Willow here. Definitely could have benefited from some sort of therapy but in the 90s people didn't talk about that much 😂
Cordelia has no tact but she always says the things that the rest of them don't always want to face up to.
Interesting fact that Cibo Matto is a real band and one of the members is John Lennon's son Sean, who appeared briefly in this episode on stage.
Thank god this was the only time anyone will ever have to deal with trauma in this show.......
@@PromptCriticalJello oh yeah, the worst is over. Sunshine and rainbows from here on. 😌
While that may be true, her actions as written and how much everyone reacted to them is puzzling this episode, even knowing she died and had PTSD.
@@alicequinn505 I understand what you're saying, but perspective.....
This is a drama, so everything is turned up a little.
This is a teenage drama, so it's turned up a little more.
This is a teenage drama with vampires, turned way up.
Written by Joss Whedon so the nearly continuous backdrop of levity makes the drama feel even more.
If Buffy was a real girl in a real school she would definitely be 'overly', but with the setting the show takes place in we have to turn our suspension of disbelief up to match. That includes a little leeway for how the characters act and react to things.
@@PromptCriticalJello If Buffy was a real girl I don't think anybody would notice her saying that one mean thing, and her dancing with Xander I just don't understand what it has to do with her trauma.
Buffy is a 16 year old that was chosen to be The Slayer. She has not the maturity or understanding of what t that means in total. She had been slaying and destroying evil with the specter of death around but what does that mean to a young girl. Everyone says “ we all gotta die” but they don’t really believe it deep down. It’s just false bravado. Buffy was dead for a couple of minutes. She felt and experienced death as a Slayer.Not only does she now understands death but she understands that being a Slayer can bring her death at anytime band that all Slayers will die. She knows she became one when the one before her died and there will be another after her. Think of you had the responsibility to fight evil in a life or death struggle always. No break, no rest, just you . Then add that you have to be perfect because if you make one mistake, you die. Buffy’s death made what she was Chosen to do, real. When you say with a chuckle, do it because you might be dead tomorrow, you don’t really think it’s going to happen. Buffy now knows it can and probably will. How many 16 year old suburban girls would not be traumatized by that reality and not just her “short” death. Being depressed often means a lack of feeling or any joy. Lashing out and hurting someone at least makes you hate yourself. Self hatred is at least a feeling and breaks the intense boredom of sadness. In most Buffy episodes there are 3 levels to the writing. The story that entertains and moves the plots . The second level are the Metaphors in the story. The use of Metaphors allows addressing subjects without preaching. ( wish the writers today would learn that ) and finally the third level… universal questions about life, meaning, and truth. Those are asked and addressed over time and that is why BTVS is studied in Philosophy, Ethics, and Psychology classes in colleges.
BtVS actually excels at giving people exactly what they want in a manner that they'd prefer it never did. You wanted Buffy/Xander? Here you go. Enjoy.
Haha, yeah, Joss is quite cruel in that way.
Cordy is in the title sequence; she's been one of the main characters from episode 1.
Also, she is actually pretty smart.
I think the “sexy dance” as it’s referred to by Willow is that Buffy was two fold. She was trying to make Angel jealous while pushing her friends away. She knew “using” Xander would hurt Willow, and teasing Xander would make him feel like he can look but not touch and make him resent her. And, of course she was trying to hurt Angel every chance she got. This is such a great episode. Darker tone, hilarious lines, cibo matto and addressing the trauma she suffered by dying “for a minute”.
the point of the giles knockout counter is to highlight how often the show knocks him out to avoid having to deal with him in the plot, so it absolutely counts cause it functions the same
From "Miss me?" to Willow's perfect smile at the end this is a marvelous episode.
Buffy is a 16 year old girl to whom death has been made very real. She knows now what being The Slayer means and what it will cost.
She fights until she gets murdered again.
Then just like the Slayer before her, the next Slayer does it all over again.
It's always awkward to see Buffy like this but she was surrounded all summer by people she couldn't talk to about her probs. And what's she supposed to tell a therapist? I was killed by a vampire and came back alive? Quick trip to a psych hospital. She didn't have a lot of options to get that out until she was back with her friends. We usually associate anger as a substitute for other emotions as a male thing but anyone can have the issue, especially a teenager who has to surpress her feelings the majority of the time.
Please don't compare Buffy to shitlight. Ever.
They didn't really compare it to Twilight though, it was just a little joke.
I feel bad cause Shitlight is trying so hard to be like Buffy.
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Still way too close. 😂
Don't put them in the same sentence.
Woops got it
Yes, this was a Giles KO.
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Oh dear.
I always loved this season's cold open. I can still remember watching the episode and wanting that Xander/Willow kiss and not getting it at that moment no matter how many times I rewatched the episode! I also felt so badly for Willow trying to recreate the scene at the Bronze, but there was no chemistry.
I see others have pointed out that it was a real band at the Bronze. That's going to happen a lot, so get ready for creative editing!
I love the gang's friendship shown at the end. Yes, you are totally right, Buffy should say that she's sorry, but her friends let her know that she is already forgiven. Such are your ride or die friendships in high school if you are really, really lucky.
One of my favorite upgrades in season 2 is the music. They hired the composer Christophe Beck and he composed the music for the show for several seasons. It also really elevated the show because the music is crafted specifically for the moments in these episodes and really helps drive home the emotion of the series.
Also, something I think that a lot of people either don't notice or they gloss over is during the Buffy/Xander dance, Xander is actually picking up on the fact that Buffy is using him. Just watch his facial expressions, they say everything.
Xander may want it but not that bad, plus he knows it's hurting willow.
Ya'll cheering for Willow is the cutest.
She's the cutest!
6:11 "Men" is comedy gold!
Excited to continue this journey!
and yes, that opening tease was uncalled for.
This is a really good season story arc. Get ready for the ride.
After this episode, onnthe old Bronze posting board, if someone showed up with issues, they would be virtually handed a sledgehammer and directed to the "Having Issues Skeleton."
When Cordy confronts Buffy in the alley, Charisma sounds ill. Her voice is shot.
I like Snyder being used as evil comic relief.
I think you can count this as Giles getting knocked out. There is a video clip you need to see, but not for a while.
Excellent episode in a lot of ways. It's just as much a conclusion to Season One as it is a start for Season two. I've always appreciated that they actually addressed the trauma that Buffy went through in defeating The Master and tried to inject a little "realism" into how she deals with it.
Apparently by becoming a blonde...
My standard spiel for this episode:
Cibo Matto, the band playing while Buffy abuses Xander, was a real band that released several albums. At the time this episode was shot, their bass player was Sean Lennon, son of famous Beatle John Lennon. For some reason they decided to highlight him with a blue spotlight onstage.
The song they play while the grinding is going on is called "Sugar Water". There's a music video for it here on RUclips, and I recomment watching it. It's ... interesting.
We'll peak into it!
The mallet that the preacher vamp tried to use against Buffy is a Checkov' Gun.
Yeah, season two! I really like this episode and how it deals with Buffy's PTSD. I especially love Cordy speaking her mind (a major trait of hers) and calling out Buffy. And, yes, Cordy is one of the main characters and we'll see if you begin to like her. LOL, Mikey on hating the writers...I predict this definitely will not be the last time!
Buffy is pretty The opposite of Twillight.
Why did she treat Xander that way? Because at that point, she still held in her mind the belief that she would die soon anyway, therefore nothing long-term really could be relied upon, or even mattered at all.
Time jump: back to school. They jumped the summer break, which Buffy probably spent with her father.
Her father mentioned that she didn't seem herself, or something to that effect, in the episode. "Hank: At least when she was burning stuff down I knew what to say." So yeah, she spent the summer with Hank Summers.
17:55 don't the three of you just want to hug there
This show actually shows trauma which is great
And it carries from episode to episode it seems, which is a great continuity
Love means never having to say I'm sorry.
Season 2 and season 3 are the absolute best. This is where the show starts to get sooo good. Enjoy, fellas!
School's h... very difficult
Nice save!!! ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
They were Sophmores in season one. Buffy arrived halfway through the school season (thus the real life half season for season one). This episode being after summer break goes back to the school as a Junior.
Buffy's back which means its better Xander didn't kiss Willow. She would've returned whether they kissed or not. If his hormones still prefer Buffy, it's better he and Willow didn't kiss. I'm not convinced Xander cares about Buffy. His crush is based off her being the new girl like the men in _Twilight_ acted towards Bella except Buffy and Xander both have rounded personalities and characteristics that don't make them one-dimensional.
The reason the vampires at the end were too easy for Buffy is because they ween't the point. For her, the problem was The Master and his bones. Giles giving Buffy closure and buring the body before Buffy left for her dad's or just having Buffy destroy them before she left for her dad's would have solved this episode's problem aka Buffy's issues reguarding her acting the way she did.
5:32-5:36 Right! Do you know how many people try to defend him for this and say its about helping with the slaying. No. This is just blatant Edward Cullen creepiness eight years before The first Twilight books was pubished. Even the argument of he's there with news about The Annointed One doesn't work under these circumstances. Saying this on patrol with her would be a healthier to his personality time to do it.
"I won't tell anyone your a moron" isn't actually a good insult. It's like when Cordelia called Willow boring in the second episode of season one. It's still more than likely going to aka might hurt (even if you're the kind of person who can make it appear as it yo're unaffected), but not really a good insult by any standard. "A bitca." As funny as the line is, sometime it makes me feel Buffy insulted the wrong person ("I won't tell anyone your a moron").
Showing the vampires digging with their hands so, in dialogue, it can be revealed the ground is consecrated. Not to mention, The Annointed One learned from The Master, and is treating them the way he was taught by him.
Buffy knows how Xander feels about her that she doesn't feel that way about Xander, how Angel feels about her, and how Willow feels about Xander. She has issues and not dealing with them is causing "the Joan Collins 'tude" towards people she claims she cares about. Cordelia was the one in the right in saying what she said to Buffy about dealing with it or said friends will leave her high and dry. But I also know, for them, this is them figuring out there's something more wrong than just having a little attitude. So, it wouldn't have happened at that exact moment.
"A bitca" and "there gonna cook her dinner." And Buffy's moron joke should have been really geared towards... 😁
So, what did the English call "issues" in 1997? The line definitely sounds like The WB didn't want to get too heavy, but the writers knew they had to acknowledge it.
"Undead American." Yeah the ninties were big on the labelling we roll our eyes at now because everything before the ninties people started saying was offensive and/or wrong, so it became about how to reference people. Sad fact is, in some cases people still struggle with that. I prefer just ignoring the labels and treating everyone as equally human.
Xander: "I don't know what your problem is? What your issues are?" Yeah he does. Giles told him and Willow in the cafeteria. However, I also applaud, "If they hurt Willow I'll kill you." Even if its an empty threat, because the real threat is Cordelia was right and if Willow dies Xander will rightfully blame Buffy and coming from someone who's been crushing on Buffy since early S1, the real threat is that he means all this and isn't swooning. That means something.
The Anointed isn't a child. Not since episode five. He's a vampire. A young vampire The Master trained, but a vampire nonetheless.
"Buffy should've went to therapy." And tell the therapist what?
The conversation from 20:13-21:53 Buffy just treated others so dirty, that even if you disliked some of the characters she wronged, you were still on their side over Buffy's.
There was no formal apology, but when it came to the group, they knew what she was going through, saw her take her issues out on The Masters bones, and Xander and Willow specifically saw her body language as she tried to find the words to do apologize, so they decided she didn't need to. The whole moment was an apology and forgiveness scene. Sometimes the formal apology isn't necessary and sometimes it is. And in this case Willow and Xander decided it wasn't as Buffy was attempting a formal apology.
I think the Brits might have called it shell shock or battle fatigue depending on how old they were. Shell shock originated in WW I, battle fatigue (aka combat stress reaction) originated in WW III, and PTSD originated in 1980 with the DSM-III published that year.
@@ernesthakey3396 I know what they are. But who used them and when... was a total mystery until your comment. You're comment, though, just adds to my theory, that because The WB was so new at that point they didn't want the writers to be any more specific than "issues."
@@Buffy8Fan agreed. The terms had just stuck in my head from an unrelated FB thread that was initially about how pets suffer from fireworks and idiots blasting off firecrackers etc especially around the 4th of July, and I had noted that a lot of people also don't enjoy those either due to having PTSD.
Long ago when I was a kid in the 60s, my dad used to take us to see fireworks on the 4th, and I only figured out later that he hadn't really enjoyed them himself, he was very jumpy. He'd served as a Marine in Korea, and the sounds reminded him of artillery and gunfire. But of course it isn't just people who serve in combat who get PTSD, and we've learned a lot more about it since my dad's time.
"Issues" was an interesting way to put it, it covers a whole slew of possibilities and doesn't step on the toes of anyone who really does have trouble dealing with the aftermath of trauma. It's a good word.
Wonderful analysis of the episode ❤️ thank you
You don’t know what you’re in for. Season 2 has some real twists and turns and LOTS of foreshadowing.
A great opener from S2 Buffy obviously suffering from PTSD, and taking it all out on her friends. Interesting when Cordelia even tries to intervene after Buffy sexually teases Xander on the dance floor, referencing Buffy to Joan Collins as a type of 'Uber Bitch' because she knows that behaviour herself. All's well at the end and a bit of comic relief with The Anointed One ' I hate that girl' Another well written episode exploring psychological illness and how it can affect others. On re-watch you can notice so much more in each episode that was missed first time round.
Absolutely great display of what trauma does, especially to a teen girl. So self destructive that even Cordelia steps in!!
I love Snyder. Everything He says is delightfully awful.
the J man and the two M's
xander: "if they hurt willow, i'll kill you."
me: "and the *idle threat* award goes to..."
I don't know...firearms exist, and Slayer strength won't stop a sniper bullet. Knowing his target, he could probably do it in terms of the mechanics, but maybe not bring himself to do it mentally. But if Willow died rather than just got hurt...
Guns, daggers, pipes (Cordelia did knock her out with it). Play b***** games, die a B****
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idle threat (noun): a threat that a person does not really mean to follow through with
@@sirmoonslosthismind and in the moment he said it, I think he truly meant it.
We don't mention "The ripoff which shall not be named" in Buffy fandom!
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buffy is reeeealy close to the edge of redemptability on thos one
Angel is supposed to be 18 but that changes throughout the show as you’ll notice he has mindset of a teenager sometimes but they couldn’t get away with because David ages.lol So it’s not supposed to be weird. I think I’m defending it because Their my favorite couple. so I might be biased😂. Also the dance with Xander always grossed me out it. It just felt like a tease to fans idk if there were any who wanted them together.
Agreed re Bangel, and even with the mindset of a 20-something, for most of his 240ish years he was a cruel and vicious demon, and now he has to remember everything he did. I think falling in love with a truly good person is a coping mechanism for him - Buffy gives him a little hope, being with her gives him a little bit of ease from the constant remorse. He knows it cannot work out in the long run, but he can't help it...
As for the dance - Buffy was being crude and rude, and Xander was very uncomfortable.
They never said he's supposed to be 18?
I've seen quite a few comments like this recently, and I can't figure out where that idea comes from.
@@amandabaker4678 yeah. He's definitely supposed to be over 18, he's clearly made to appear like a man in his 20s. The main point I guess is guy 18+ with gal
And the most prominent insult in BtVS community was born...
"If you'd worked with us for five seconds you could have prevented this."
How, Xander? She could have just not gone to the Bronze, leaving Cordelia to her fate. Perhaps you would be okay with that, but Buffy couldn't (or anybody with a bit of human decency). Or maybe she should have taken you with her? That would have prevented the vampires from taking Giles and Willow how? Or maybe she would have taken you and Willow with her. That would have only left Giles vulnerable but you wouldn't know the correct translation leaving the vampires to pick up Willow at their leisure. Are you going to guard her 24/7 when you don't know she's a particular target? Yeah, Buffy was screwing up, but what happened here was not her fault.
Two more episodes till you actually start Buffy
Yep, that's when the ratings "spiked".
Agree. Even if i think it started at episode 6-7, even more at 9-10 and really at episode 13
Absolutely my favorite episode.
Notice Buffy did NOT say “alive and kicking” to Giles. She said,”live and kicking.
As per ChatGPT:
1. “Alive and kickin’”: This phrase emphasizes the state of being alive or having life. It suggests that someone or something is not only alive but also vibrant, energetic, and actively engaged in life.
Certainly! The difference between "live and kickin'" and "alive and kickin'" lies primarily in the choice of words and the slight shift in emphasis."Alive and kickin'": This phrase emphasizes the state of being alive or having life. It suggests that someone or something is not only alive but also vibrant, energetic, and actively engaged in life."Live and kickin'": In this variation, the emphasis is more on the action of living rather than simply the state of being alive. It implies an ongoing, dynamic engagement with life, where the focus is not just on existence but on actively participating, thriving, and enjoying life to the fullest.While both phrases convey a sense of vitality and energy, "alive and kickin'" puts more emphasis on the fact of being alive, while "live and kickin'" highlights the ongoing action and engagement with life itself.
In a sarcastic context, “live and kickin’” could imply a sense of irony or disbelief. It might suggest that despite appearances or expectations, someone or something is still managing to go on, albeit with some degree of struggle or difficulty. It could also convey a sense of resignation or cynicism, where the speaker acknowledges the persistence of a situation or individual despite unfavorable circumstances. For example, if someone asked about the status of a failing business, a sarcastic response might be, “Oh, the business is still ‘live and kickin’-barely.” This usage adds a layer of irony or skepticism to the phrase, highlighting the contrast between the outward appearance of vitality and the underlying reality.
Ok. Back to me.
This show is known for its “Buffy speak”. But how about the way it literally uses language literally?
I love this show.
Chat gpt analysis of those phrases hm.... That's an interesting point thank you