@@si.ari.06 yeah having good positioning don't really work now considering the fact that as soon as you leave the airfield people are tracking you already.
@@wargamer2213bs, I was flying near the ground and gotten killed by pheonix. Does it only work close to ground? I’ve done it close to water too but I imagine since its plain it can still track you close to water.
Playing SIM doesn't make it really better if you ask me, if I ain't got the 13000 USD setup nor the knowledge of a TOPGUN pilot you ain't gon take off from the airfield successfully
@@MrViggie37 I just got a few questions, I've been trying to get into DCS, (I don't have a full set up even a budget one with IR just the entry joystick) and I have major problems getting into the game, sure I don't have any full fidelity planes, but do you have any tips at all for learning the game. (Besides literally studying, and btw my PC is not good enough to play on highly populated (20+ people) multiplayer server))
@@mangosuppe8706 My setup is a thrustmaster t16000m hotas with throttle, joystick and pedals. I only have the AJS 37 module and the free JAS 39 mod. You kinda have to study to learn an aircraft but the Viggen is one of the easiest to learn. I mainly play singleplayer or with AI on Caucasus. I sometimes play with a friend or 2 and I have a GTX 1650. If you have any questions or want tips, feel free to ask me.
@@mangosuppe8706 I have a thrustmaster hotas with pedals, throttle and joystick. I have no tracker. You kinda have to study a lil but if u use an easy plane, like the AJS 37 which is my main plane. You donat have to study super much. If You first want to learn about how to dogfight and so on, I recommend FC planes. But yeah, I only use Caucasus map which is 15gb and I have high graphics on a GTX 1650 which works mostly good. The maps are like War Thunder but much bigger and you don’t spawn in front of the enemy airfield.
Well god dammit gilbucky thank you very much for dumbing it down for a simple mind and giving some very good pointers for successful notching. Very much appreciated and utilizing these strategies have had an immediate effect.
The radar can still see you if you are going cold the same speed as the a adversary. Because even if the closure rate between the enemy jet and you is 0 m/s the ground still moves toward the radar at the speed the jet is travelling. Therefore the radar only filters out targets that are travelling the same speed as the jet and not exactly 0 m/s as you explained in the video
1:57 PD does see objects flying away from it in similiar speed since it only filters out things going 0 kph, not 0 kph to itself. If the plane with the radar is going 1200 kph the radar will ignore anything that has a approach speed of 1200 kph. So if you fly away at the same 1200 kph the radar will recognize that you are flying away from it and not ignore you, because it sees something to which the distance doesnt change. This is why you can fire missle at target going cold. Hope this helps :)
What if you are notching while descending or ascending, will that affect the enemy ability to continue tracking you or do you have to notched at a parallel level to the ground as well?
Pulse Doppler can actually see targets moving away. If the RADAR’s plane is flying at 800MPH, it will be looking for anything not closing at 800MPH. Early PD doesn’t do this very well, but later ones do.
The funny part is that notching and spamming chaff is not rly working for me. 8/10 times the Fox-3s still will get me and in return my missiles wich are launched at even 8km away are easily getting dodged
Notice how he only likes the people acknowledging the advice instead of the ones telling him its impossible against 5-8 fox 3s . Typical youtuber bias.
The info at 2:00 is wrong. The radar CAN see you while flying away from it, because it’s filtering out anything moving towards itself at the same speed it is moving. That filters out the ground and the sideways plane. However the plane flying away from u’s is visible to the radar since the radar can see that it’s moving. Some of the data on the lock will be weird because the pulses don’t hit the plane at regular intervals, but it will be visible. The only time it won’t is when the plane is flying away from us at the same speed at the radar pulses.
except the 120s in warthunder dont really gaf if youre within 10km, which seems to be the only distance a russian can get an r77 to consistently lock rn
Do we need to consider that the missle is moving and predicting as well when we try to notch horizontally. Does that mean we have to turn more angel that what in theory
ok but WHAT ABOUT CLOSER RANGES? like with my f-16A i need to get closer to those amraams slingers bc of the 9L and no matter what i do i die if they send a fox 3 or am i just supposed to run away from them and let my 80% f4s team die
The metho d u called cranking is not a crank that’s snaking. Cranking is keeping the enemy on the gimble limit of the radar so that the enemy missle has to fly a longer distance to you compared to your missle to him.
One thing I want to put down, late gen RWRs are able to detect range, and altitude can easily be predicted by banking until you lose radar signature, as the top of your plane has no sensors, ias said in the video. It's very simplistic and barebones, but helpful if you fly 10m above the ground or 10km above the ground. Hope I can get a pin for this! :)
Just so you know, there is more to this as a fox3 has its own radar, and it moves to you on an intercept path. There are more things you can do to doge it.
irl most pulse doppler radars can still see a target even when it is seemingly "stationary" as long as it isnt against the ground, so to notch one needs to also be in front of terrain from the perspective of the enemy (i dont play warthunder, so i dont know if this is simulated in there, it is in dcs)
@@skirfanazimahmed1326 I don't know about that but the close a lock (for example a M23/MSL icon) to the circle around your plane on the rwr the close the thing locking you. that's why when I get a missle warning and I see that it is right next to my plane on the rwr I know I'm screwed xd
@@kristofszilvasi9021 i was wondering that today cuz sometimes i see the deeps on tbe far edge of my rwr sometimes its in the middle and sometimes it's right next to the plane icon inside
The problem is not doging one fox 3 but 8
Thus
Sounds like a skill issue to me
Seems like you didn't side climb enough
• Notch down and go cold
• have good positioning in the first place
@@si.ari.06 yeah having good positioning don't really work now considering the fact that as soon as you leave the airfield people are tracking you already.
Instructions not clear, cranked dat robocop and the missile just said "YOUUUUUUUUUUUU"
Gracias papa frog for dumping your knowledge upon my gilbucky head
Thats cool and all until you're facing 3 f14's with pheonix while being in a mig23 with only 4 sectors in your rwr and basically no way to retaliate
just stay close to the ground and its dodged, pheonix's don't use PD radar like 120's r77's etc.
@@wargamer2213bs, I was flying near the ground and gotten killed by pheonix. Does it only work close to ground? I’ve done it close to water too but I imagine since its plain it can still track you close to water.
Why thank you Mr gun frog for filling my gillbucky with important knowledge
All these are perfect for 1v1 but what’s frustrating in WT is having 15 other enemies launching Fox 3’s at you at once
Playing SIM doesn't make it really better if you ask me, if I ain't got the 13000 USD setup nor the knowledge of a TOPGUN pilot you ain't gon take off from the airfield successfully
solution: Play DCS, maps are bigger and most engagements are probably 1v1 or at worst 1v3-4.
@@MrViggie37 I just got a few questions, I've been trying to get into DCS, (I don't have a full set up even a budget one with IR just the entry joystick) and I have major problems getting into the game, sure I don't have any full fidelity planes, but do you have any tips at all for learning the game. (Besides literally studying, and btw my PC is not good enough to play on highly populated (20+ people) multiplayer server))
@@mangosuppe8706 My setup is a thrustmaster t16000m hotas with throttle, joystick and pedals. I only have the AJS 37 module and the free JAS 39 mod. You kinda have to study to learn an aircraft but the Viggen is one of the easiest to learn. I mainly play singleplayer or with AI on Caucasus. I sometimes play with a friend or 2 and I have a GTX 1650. If you have any questions or want tips, feel free to ask me.
@@mangosuppe8706 I have a thrustmaster hotas with pedals, throttle and joystick. I have no tracker. You kinda have to study a lil but if u use an easy plane, like the AJS 37 which is my main plane. You donat have to study super much. If You first want to learn about how to dogfight and so on, I recommend FC planes. But yeah, I only use Caucasus map which is 15gb and I have high graphics on a GTX 1650 which works mostly good. The maps are like War Thunder but much bigger and you don’t spawn in front of the enemy airfield.
"Dogding Fox-3s is EASY!"
Not when I can't fight back😎
Lets hope this lets me grind the 420000 rp needed for the gripen c
Oh and gilbucky I guess
I needed this, the aim120s have been eating me alive while im grinding for said missile.
well this was fun GILBUCKY
Im sad that most players dont know even 10% of this information :(
Good vid! :D
Cank before that AIM-120 gets your gilbucky
Thank you for the very gilbuckius information, now I can play top tier without wanting to throw my PC out the window as much!
Well god dammit gilbucky thank you very much for dumbing it down for a simple mind and giving some very good pointers for successful notching. Very much appreciated and utilizing these strategies have had an immediate effect.
Why a frog with gun knows all this info
The radar can still see you if you are going cold the same speed as the a adversary. Because even if the closure rate between the enemy jet and you is 0 m/s the ground still moves toward the radar at the speed the jet is travelling. Therefore the radar only filters out targets that are travelling the same speed as the jet and not exactly 0 m/s as you explained in the video
This would be ideal but if you have multiple fox 3s coming from different directions its impossible to notch them all
I feel this in my GILBUCKY
Nah bro they need to name the first NGAD “Gilbucky” instead of some boring name like “eagle II” 🐸🐸🐸🐸🐸🐸🐸🐸
My gilbucky head now now’s how to dodge these annoying missiles
1:57 PD does see objects flying away from it in similiar speed since it only filters out things going 0 kph, not 0 kph to itself. If the plane with the radar is going 1200 kph the radar will ignore anything that has a approach speed of 1200 kph. So if you fly away at the same 1200 kph the radar will recognize that you are flying away from it and not ignore you, because it sees something to which the distance doesnt change. This is why you can fire missle at target going cold. Hope this helps :)
What if you are notching while descending or ascending, will that affect the enemy ability to continue tracking you or do you have to notched at a parallel level to the ground as well?
fucking love this vid and the channel
I found u on tiktok, u r a funny guy, thanks for the info ly
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Pulse Doppler can actually see targets moving away. If the RADAR’s plane is flying at 800MPH, it will be looking for anything not closing at 800MPH.
Early PD doesn’t do this very well, but later ones do.
The funny part is that notching and spamming chaff is not rly working for me. 8/10 times the Fox-3s still will get me and in return my missiles wich are launched at even 8km away are easily getting dodged
Notice how he only likes the people acknowledging the advice instead of the ones telling him its impossible against 5-8 fox 3s . Typical youtuber bias.
The info at 2:00 is wrong. The radar CAN see you while flying away from it, because it’s filtering out anything moving towards itself at the same speed it is moving. That filters out the ground and the sideways plane. However the plane flying away from u’s is visible to the radar since the radar can see that it’s moving.
Some of the data on the lock will be weird because the pulses don’t hit the plane at regular intervals, but it will be visible.
The only time it won’t is when the plane is flying away from us at the same speed at the radar pulses.
gilbucky
2:04 the third plane is only invisible if the radar is in pulse Doppler VELOCITY mode
except the 120s in warthunder dont really gaf if youre within 10km, which seems to be the only distance a russian can get an r77 to consistently lock rn
3:00 WRONG! Many air force rwrs will show range actually but it’s not well displayed
spams 100+ chaff. meanwhile non bvr 60 chaff only mfers still getting clapped.
FUNNY FROG MAN POSTED
I'm in :D
War thunder must have fox3 in naval also for him to know how to evade them another good video 👍
Does notching still work if the missile was launched from significantly under or above my plane?
This video made my day super gilbucky
does this video help with f14 high up in the sky killing you before reaching enemy players? like against it
Do we need to consider that the missle is moving and predicting as well when we try to notch horizontally. Does that mean we have to turn more angel that what in theory
now I only need to know how to dodge multiple fox3 at a time, bcs everyone is spamming it.
Also if you’re at long range and not guiding anything going cold(running away) is the safest way to dodge them
fair point, however, what do when multiple missiles from different directions?
Ok this is the content I need. Gilbucky to you good sir
ok but WHAT ABOUT CLOSER RANGES? like with my f-16A i need to get closer to those amraams slingers bc of the 9L and no matter what i do i die if they send a fox 3
or am i just supposed to run away from them and let my 80% f4s team die
and like multypathing no work bc of those dobai tower trees and triangle mountans
I've been cranking since this was released 8 days ago no sleep plz help
2:57 You can see the range but its not accurate, the closer the 'ping' the closer enemy is
I love this explanation papa frogy im a potato need simple instructions
What if the guy is like super close then i dont have time to do annything
The metho d u called cranking is not a crank that’s snaking. Cranking is keeping the enemy on the gimble limit of the radar so that the enemy missle has to fly a longer distance to you compared to your missle to him.
What a giga frog
I love this channel.
Wait a second I am a radar enginner not a stinky little pilot pesant.
so wtf do you do when they are 600ms away huh? ur fucked
I am an engineer I wanna sit here and hear about how radars work
This guide sucks when an aim 120 is launch under 5 km, too complicated to notching
At that point use IR
One thing I want to put down, late gen RWRs are able to detect range, and altitude can easily be predicted by banking until you lose radar signature, as the top of your plane has no sensors, ias said in the video. It's very simplistic and barebones, but helpful if you fly 10m above the ground or 10km above the ground. Hope I can get a pin for this! :)
If its so easy, what's your K/D?
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I have been cranking with the Aim-7 merges for a year without understanding it was an actual tactic. Great video btw.
Just so you know, there is more to this as a fox3 has its own radar, and it moves to you on an intercept path. There are more things you can do to doge it.
The hint with the RWR dead zone was pure gold. Thanks mate!
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And if the guys shoot at 10km and minus ?
Did you watch the segment on short range shots?
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That frog is more scary than all the missiles coming towards me.
Wtf is glibucky?????
im scared, the gun frog is agressive, im gonna trust a trusted adult
irl most pulse doppler radars can still see a target even when it is seemingly "stationary" as long as it isnt against the ground, so to notch one needs to also be in front of terrain from the perspective of the enemy (i dont play warthunder, so i dont know if this is simulated in there, it is in dcs)
yes it is.
Gilbucky idk lol
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2:52 you get a rough estimate on the RWR on how close the thing locking you is
Are talking about the 3 circle stage inside the Rwr?
@@skirfanazimahmed1326 I don't know about that but the close a lock (for example a M23/MSL icon) to the circle around your plane on the rwr the close the thing locking you. that's why when I get a missle warning and I see that it is right next to my plane on the rwr I know I'm screwed xd
@@kristofszilvasi9021 i was wondering that today cuz sometimes i see the deeps on tbe far edge of my rwr sometimes its in the middle and sometimes it's right next to the plane icon inside
thanks homie
My gilbucky sure is satisfied with this newfound knowledge 😃