The Oklahoma City Thunder Keep Trying To Hide This From Us.. | OKC NBA News (Josh Giddey, SGA)
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After initiating what will likely end up being one of the craziest rebuilds the NBA will ever see in its history, the Oklahoma City Thunder are starting to get into the thick of their plan. After having three lottery picks in the 2022 NBA Draft, and also being able to land a top 3 talent in Chet Holmgren, it’s clear the OKC Thunder are trying to make the most of their ability to get & develop young talent. But with Chet Holmgren currently recovering from injury, many stopped paying attention to the Thunder & the ridiculous things they’ve been pulling off so far.
To start, the play of their other 1st round pick rookies in Jalen Williams & Ousmane Dieng have shown a ton of promise to start their NBA careers. And along with this, the MVP campaign on display from Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, the continued improvement of Australian star Josh Giddey, and even surprising rises in guys like Aleksej Pokusevski, Tre Mann, Aaron Wiggins, Lu Dort, Darius Bazley & even Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, the 2022 OKC Thunder are looking far better than anyone could’ve predicted.
With their offense and defense performing at a new level, while waiting for the return of their prospect in Chet Holmgren, and SGA continuing to put on an MVP caliber season, the Oklahoma City Thunder could find themselves in NBA Playoff contention sooner in their rebuild than anyone could’ve ever guessed.
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Predict OKC’s record to the end the season 👇
5 games under. 500
33-49
I think because chet is gone, maybe winning 30-40 wins, but next season when we get chet back and a good player from the draft we will be a playoff team. Right now we are a play in team
37-45 sqeak into the playoffs 8 seeded
35-47
Good video, the only thing wrong is the Thunder haven’t been tanking that long. In September of 2020 they were in a game 7 and next year the tank is over so literally only 3 seasons
So annoying how we are labelled as having tanked for years
I'm an okc fan but the tank is not quite over yet .. why do you think there playing so many different starting lineups and all that... Because they want to be bad again this year get one more high pick in this upcoming draft before they turn into a contender next year.
@@billwright4234 Yeah that’s why I said “the tank is over next year”
@@billwright4234 incorrect. They play different lineups to see what's working best first of all. Then we have so many great potentials that everybody needs ot get a chance. Otherwise there's no point in investing in so many players. If you are a fan then you probably were scratching your head this offseason who should be moved away from OKC. While other teams usually have not enough young talent, OKC is having dillema of which potantial has the lowest chance of succeeding and which one to cut on the offseason. We also know that Thudner build their exceptional culture and one of a reason for that is to have loyal group of people. We had many examples in the past where players left small market teams when their rookie contract expired. I'm sure that would be the case again if there were players that didn't play at all because they were just 10th or 11th best option in a team.
With this being said I also hate the word "tanking" because it suggests that OKC is trying to lose on purpose while it's exactly the other way around. Look at the subs they make each possessions at the end of the game for def and off purpose. TO's just to get a free bucket. Giddey being benched for the first two times at the begining of a 2nd half because more athletic lineup worked out better.
If you still think they loose on purpose then you might be watching OKC occasionally or not recognizing what they are trying to accomplish.
Of course if they don't get into play offs then having higher draft pick would be nice but that's not the point to inject looser mentality to young players.
@@billwright4234 that not the reason we play different lineups the coach does that to see what works and what lineups fits plus since chet is out that give other guy more reps to see who we should keep I think this be the last tank year and 2023 we commit to trying to make a playoffs push drafting one more player and making trades for veterans
Chet's injury is a blessing in disguise in the fairly brutal Western Conference. It allows other development and could let the Thunder be competitive enough to be exciting to watch while still picking up another lottery pick next draft. Next season adding Chet and a 7 - 10 pick has me hyped.
I don’t see another 7-10 pick this season honestly Shai to nice
na you dont want to waste a year of development for a top 2 pick. they can still tank with tank on the team
I'm really enjoying watching OKC this season. SGA is showing to be a consistent problem for the opposition and Giddeys court vision is impressive af. For such a young team I'm definitely excited to see what they can become.
Been a fan right from the jump, so it's nice to see my team on the rise again.
I feel this
Mannn its a great feeling seeing people finally get on board. Shai exit interview last year had me excited cuz i knew he was excited. And since then i been trusting presti
We haven’t been down for long Brodie 💯 just now getting our flowers again!
Poku has been my biggest surprise of the season.
Me too, he's showing big improvement. He is going to be a big problem if he keeps improving like this
Yeah I had little hope in him and zero hope in Baze.
@@ishyameru6232 yeah baze is not fit on the system anymore. I guess he can showcase his talent on the other team. Hopefully okc gets a good trade on him.
@@ishyameru6232 baze is gone at the deadline Poku and Chet are the future front court it’s gonna be a block party in okc
@@ishyameru6232 same lol now I’m happy about poku so we can get rid of baze
The Giddey hate from fans has been ridiculous. People think he's in a "sophomore slump," but he's been improving drastically in practically every aspect. He obviously needs to cut down the turnovers just like any young player, but he's taking creative chances in big games for them, and that's how he'll improve the most. That's how Poku has improved. They play these guys a lot of good minutes in close games, and the pressure can turn them into stellar players. We've seen J-Dub, Giddey, and Shai take over 4th quarters already. They're going to be great players, and that's not to mention Chet Holmgren, who I'm also extremely high on. I'm impressed by these guys, and I'm ecstatic to see what happens in their future.
I agree. Giddey has been fantastic in his sophmore yr. He needs more floor spacers as Dort has regressed offensively and Jalens outside shot needs more consistency. Giddey is improving his shot which is what every fan wanted to see. Rickey Rubio no more. Looking forward to jxt season and this upcomin draft.
Okc organization knows how to draft and develop talent well. J will my favorite rookie, love his game
The way okc is able to stay competitive and maintain the game close even in games where they are shooting 20-25% from the 3pt range is really impressive. If you take into account the fact that for example this year they will probably be able to acquire another 10-15 1st rd pick (maybe add a solid catch and shooter that can give you 35-40% in a high volume or a small forward with a solid jumper), and the fact that you have multiple 1st round picks in the future from teams like the Rockets and Clippers which are underperforming, makes it really scary. When Chet comes back they will be easily a playoff team and each year will always add (at least!!) one 5-20 1st rounder to the roster, adjusting the roster with that they are in need at that time. This will get interesting.
Can't forget about the Center position.
@@lavishlondo1734 there are good centers falling to the 2nd round every draft, so im not that worried. But yes, we desperately need someone to box out, rebound, block some shots and set up solid screens for sga.
I would think without losing Chet before the season proper they would have another 2-3 wins so far this season whilst being very competitive even in there losses.A cple of them losses would be wins.There trajectory is only going up yr on yr for easy 5-6 yrs.
OKC are just a machine right now. I said before that if they didn't have a single draft pick for the next five years they'd have enough to have a potential superteam five years in the future. SGA, Giddey and Chet along with Willams, Dort, Poku, Tre Mann, Dieng and the rest have enough potential in my eyes to be a contender. Alternately if they had a garbage team and still had their 20 or so first round picks in the next five drafts they'd be really really dangerous.... but they have both 😥 Even if they contend for the playoffs right now with Shai killing it they'd still have four first rounders every year for half a decade which will never be four players because that's impossible so even if they are a playoff team they can still auction off say their 15th, 18th, 25th and 30th potential picks plus their bunch of second rounders hypothetically for a lottery pick or two every year if they want.
This is great for a small market team like OKC, they obviously won’t attract big name free agents in the offseason so they’ve rebuilt their team in a span of 3 of seasons and some, go out, scout and stock up on draft prospects with really high upsides and developing them in OKC culture and environment.
@@coryrobert.lvkh25_8 The only hickup will be when it comes time to pay everyone. SGA is already on a max. He's probably the only player worthy of one but is say Giddey becomes a 20 and 10 guy come re-up time some teams will probably offer him one or as close to just to get him for free. Chet will get the max. Your number two pick basically has to get one unless he's absolutely terrible which I don't think he will be. Then you have guys like Tre Mann, Williams, Dieng and Puku who could all easily become 15-25 million dollar guys. And then you have all the new guys who will come in later. OKC need to be prepared to pay a lot of tax if they want to keep all their guys.
Yeah but that team was supposed to be ass. Thunder fans can thank Chris Paul.
@@4realGTFOH no offense but I don’t think you know how this team operates with how they draft and develop talent with this team they are top notch and barley miss. I wouldn’t say thank Chris Paul but more so thank Sam Presti for making the right moves.
@@SonnyK248 I feel confident that Sam Presti learned that lesson with his first big team and the problem we had securing a contract for James Harden. Then again there's more pieces on thr board this time around, time will tell. Thunder up!
As a person who loves basketball and has grown up in okc, I’m looking forward to seeing this next years draft and who else we can pick up cause omg 😅
JDub is like apple stock in 2002. i think he gonna be an all-star in 5 years
Ya forsure the dude is a stud he legit doesn't have a weak spot in his game... I'm thinking more along the lines of superstar than all-star
at the very least he’ll be a solid starter
He always reminded me of James Harden ironically, just more versatile and a better defender at this age
@@ishyameru6232 and sharing the ball much better. Prime JH was always shoot first and if nto possible - easy pass somewhere. JDubb can penetrate asnd throw insane pass.
Im an avid fan of okc since their early age...i cant wait for them to get back on top
Only casuals thought they were gonna be that bad
You called him "JWill" so I just gotta correct you. Jalen Williams is "JDub". Jaylin Williams, our other rookie, is "JWill"
If you followed them last year, your not surprised. They literally had to sit SGA last year because he was wining them to many ganes
SGA is the truth, I’m a Kentucky fan and I’ve been saying he would be a top 5 NBA superstar in his prime. Kid has a unique game and scores effortlessly
Watched several games. I think it's impressive how often when a team scores against the Thunder they return the favor before the other team can set their defense. Quick strikes like this and in general keep them in games. SGA is real leader. Perfect fit for a young team. He appears to be vocal and positive all the time.
A long-term OKC freak. You have done very insightful look at this unique build. I’m not expecting it but it’s possible the Thunder could get not Victor or Scoot, but Cam Whitmore or Nick Smith. Both precisely fit Sam’s type of kids. It wouldn’t surprise me to see these kids go two and three. And then there is Chet, whom the immodest KD said after playing against him, “He’s going to be a problem.” Not this year but likely next year as these basically lean kids fill out and mature the Thunder will be a force for years.
J Dub is one of my favorite rookies for sure. He plays a very mature game for a young player.
Never in my 10 years being a thunder fan have I liked everything about a player like I do Jalen Williams he’s gonna be a stud
J Williams is so fundamentally sound. If we are able to keep this team together, we have a dynasty.
The thunder team is insane. Whoever they keep and whoever leaves will be great either way.
That’s the crazy thing. We always draft hidden gems and bless the league with them. Harden, sabonis, ibaka, jerami grant and at least three guys from this team will leave and be great. I trust Sam to get some compensation tho
Not ashamed to admit I don’t catch many thunder games … saw SGA making step back threes on on a highlight reel and was like “damnnn when he start doing that ?!!”😮😭okc scary good
#ThunderUp 🙌
OKC’s defense is one of the best in the league. And that’s without Chet Holmgren who was supposed to add another level of rim protection. This team is gonna be scary good in 2 years time
As a thunder fan I absolutely love J Dub. Ous on the other hand is tough to watch but I hope he starts to develop quickly😂
we can keep games close even when we’re having a bad offensive night we’re a team that competes till the end n i hope to see us gettin deep into the playoffs soon
My man is great at what he does. Huge Josh Giddey fan youngest player with a tripple double in NBA history. This man will be the future of OKC. If OKC can retain SGA marke my words but this team will eventually have the best backcourt in the NBA. Not saying now but watch. I think this team will be loaded with talent. Not to mention all the upcoming picks OKC has.
JDub is badass bro
Jalen Williams is maddd.... He's gonna be one of the standouts if he continues.
I’m an okc fan I love my team it’s just we need a 5 hopefully it can be chet but a lot of people wanna see him at the 4.
Isaiah Joe has also been a stud when he gets playing time.
Jalen Williams another steal 2022 draft 🔥🔥🔥
I’d say Lu is a star for okc he’s amongst the best perimeter defenders in all of basketball
So glad you did a video bro be punching anything move fr
This was one of my sleeper teams of the year tank was over they got chet and they hAve a lot of young talent
Next 3 years we'll be top 5 in the West and make deep playoff runs maybe even into the finals. Shai is a certified superstar and adding Chet will finally increase our defensive presence. We have a very young team that is developing fairly quickly and we work so well since everyone knows their role and focuses on sharpening them. I'm excited for this!
OKC: Traded for SGA
Also OKC: Drafts JDub an mini SGA
I'm a thunder fan myself and I'm agreeing with most of the things you said in this video. I feel like Giddy won't become a star but someone that is regarded as underrated. Let's hope Chet can become that next great center so we can guard someone like Wemby or Jokic or Ginnias
OKC will never get respect from anyone outside of OKC. But they don’t seem to care. They just keep making every game close and making those big comebacks. We don’t need media attention. We just want to keep growing to where we can rule the league in a couple of years. Everybody knows who the Thunder are, they just don’t wanna talk about it.
Became an okc fan yr b4 they KD left. Just copped SGAs Jersey. 1st NBA jersey so full sail baby.
Awesome video, brokedown the situation in OKC perfectly. Shai is a superstar, even on a bad night he somehow finds a way to drop 30. He has improved every single year and has legit been a top 5 player this season. Also something to talk about Chet opens this whole thing up, 7'2 shot blocker who shoots 40% from three, Giddey is an upcoming star and Shai is already proven but pandoras box of this thunder team gets broken open when Chet comes in and spaces out this whole thing. Giddey has more playmaking potential and shai has another offensive threat on the team. Amazing video! I predict a smooth 33-49 season. Get ourselves Chet and another lottery pick and we'll be a top 8 team in the west next season.
I noticed he was number 24 in college and now number 8 in the NBA
Ousmane gonna be a star
People saying the didn’t expect this out of shai, I sure did bro I was like this dude is next. Glad to see him doing good
just praying we still get Wemby cause a starting 5 of nobody shorter than 6’6 is sexy
We dont call him JWill it’s JDub. Jaylin Williams from Arkansas is JayWill😂😂
What surprises me is how many picks okc still has from the clippers, grizzlies, rockets and other teams.
Great Thunder video!
Jaylen Brown next video Hoops Digest 🙏🙏🙏
Just imagine if OKC took Benedict instead of Chet. They'd be scaryyyyyy
J Will is going to be a star
Don’t sleep on Thunder!
How do you know someone doesn't watch the Thunder? They call J Dub, J Will (just kidding love the vid)
Something else you didn't mention that hasnt even had enough time to show up in the stat line yet...chip engelland !!!! Wait til next year when teams are going to have to run giddey along with everyone else off the 3 point line. They won't be able to pack the paint. It's going to be night and day different
Shai is a star. Chet, Giddey, Jdub, Poku, and Dieng all have some chance of becoming stars to varying degrees but have a lot of work to do to get there. Hopefully at least one of them makes it. You could throw Mann into the "potential star" category too, but I just don't really see it with him with how he has been playing so far this season--and he is the oldest of all of those guys.
Only 21
@@tbreezy7776 22 in a couple of months.
@@ryanb7186 ur right he still young thoe the potential dere
@@tbreezy7776 I'm not saying it's impossible for him to become a star, but I just think he has less of a chance than the other guys I listed. JDub is almost as old, but he has physical gifts Tre will never have and is already much more efficient as a scorer, is a better passer, and has the tools to be a really good defender. Mann has maybe the most impressive step-back in the league, but he's got to improve his shooting percentages for that to matter.
@@ryanb7186 u not lying about the shooting he get dat back consistently with that step back it’s over n another good hit on jdub yes he more physically n wingspan gives him a great advantage
J dub is a future star
OKC is so good at drafting and if they can draft a good center next year then they can definitely progress into something big.
They already have Chet wdym??
@@mouhtaiga6166 yeah true I guess I forgot about him, but if they somehow got #1 pick I wonder if they draft Wembanyama and put chet at PF.
They're closer to the playoffs than the #1 pick
Late comment but JDubs been playing bigger than his height all season, SGA is an Allstar and Giddey just has to improve scoring and on defense but his playmaking is huge for this team
What if they trade for a player like John Collins at the deadline? I think this squad is developing solidily and if they got a player like Collins he might develop into a fine #2 next to SGA. You could probably get him for cheap and off load some of those picks that you don't really need. I'm scared they might end up like the celtics where if they have one good year soon they will have picks that aren't valuable to them anymore and they start picking players because they have to. I say trade for a developing starter/role player that can grow with this team. Maybe even a trade for a guy like Patrick Williams from the Bulls as they might want to blow up their roster as well.
Don't call him J will. He's J dub. Jaylin Williams is J Will.
J-Will is Jaylin Williams from Arkansas. This Jalen Williams is J-Dub
Still got load of draft picks to
if we had chet we’d already be making the playoffs
Stop it lmao
@@packers12to80 i’m not lying. guarantee we make the playoffs next year
@Nicholas Williams "if we had chet we'd already be making the playoffs" .....now ur saying next yr. U will be lucky to get to the play in next yr. Maybe the 3rd yr
@@packers12to80 bc we’ll have chet next year is my point. if cheat was healthy this year we’d make the playoffs but the closest thing to proving that is seeing what happens next year
@Nicholas Williams confidence is nice to have...but....it'll make u look like a fool lol
Jalen Williams stats are solid fir his minutes
Bazely an a draft pick or 2 for Miles Turner. I like Baze but he'll b an UFA next yr and we can use a lil more size.
Any thoughts on Jalen Williams eventually overtaking Giddey in the OKC big 3? Jeremiah Robinson Earl, while having a lower upside, deserves to be mentioned even more so than Poku and Mann.
Love the vid, but you refer to Jalen Williams as J-Will. Wrong guy, J-Will is the other OKC rookie by that name, Jaylin Williams. Jalen is J-Dub.
I been a okc fan my whole life so far we got 30+ picks for the next 3 years hopefully we trade for a star next to shai we don’t need a max guy but someone like a demar to take some load off shai and serve as a vet
Absolutely not
This is korzemba you cant fool me
Everyone has an opinion, but most basketball have no pulse on what okc us doing nor do they have the patience or knowledge to figure it out. I love it. Please don't hop on the bandwagon when okc becomes a contender again.
Chet Holmgren got to build up those pencil-thin legs before I can take him seriously. Dude is one landing away from one of those wheels snapping.
The thunder were poised for this jump. Their preseason expectations were horrible
Bronco's Country; Let's Ride!
Nice click bait, you never answered the question.
whats your opinion on the other jaylin williams
They just scored 150 on Boston 💀
Accurate
Poku needs to get some weights
Honestly, I think everyone deserves to be in the NBA if they earned it. But we have got to stop drafting skinny 7 footers because they are 7 feet. This is horrible, there bodies can't handle the NBA. And a lot of people are showing it with bad injuries only playing after one game.... come on. We need people with muscle in the NBA like steven adams.
Hey man, watched the video and enjoyed the analysis. A future suggestion, can you stop with the asking for likes and subscribes every 30 seconds or so? It makes it difficult to watch your content and to decide if it is worth a like and subscribe.
Asking once at the beginning is fine. It just gets really repetitive when your graphics pop up constantly.
If they had Chet they would be a playoff team easy
You mean Jdub not jwill
Fans learn the difference between tanking and a full rebuild. Okc is doing a full rebuild.
Cmon Thunder, 1 more tank year. I'll take Wenbamyama or Scoot, then the tank is over lol 😆
Why do you talk so slow. Had to make sure my speed was correct lol
oh its cuz you uptalk so much
SGA just resigned with the Thunder for 5 years. They already "Retained" him. Everyone wants SGA in their team and to be traded from OKC. Thunder fans at home chillin knowing their franchise knows how to develop players. They gonna get a ring these days..... and then there's my Knicks 😐
Yep good development
Get rid of thib n the gm dats first
My condolences, you can bandwagon us. Everyone still thinks we suck so next year will be fun 😂 😂
As long as there’s James Dolan and Leon Rose on the Knicks they suck. All they want is money. Go New York, Go New York, Go!
That’s J Dub not J Will
#Sonicsgate
DO NOT SLEEP ON THUNDER
Rockets clear
J Dub!
Obviously you don't know too much history about Oklahoma City but they've only tanked for the last 2 Years and if you're counting this one as a tanking season then 2 and a 1/2 I guess Why don't you say Philadelphia tanking for 6 to 7 years why don't you say Detroit still tanking it's been 5 years or Orlando's been taking for the last 8 years I don't want to hear that shit gets old And it's just what the main media says But besides that it was a good video
I just think Shai is too much of a ball hog!
Like he’s a great player but I think other players develop will suffer around him and won’t hit their potential because he puts up so many shots each game.
Yea that's cute and all but Indiana has the rookie of the year
OKC has a much brighter future and a better team but you got a good rookie. Yay, how fun for you.
@@ErroneousMonk1 na not really but sure you got a AAU team lol and I'd rather have haliburton than anyone in OKC
@@probablyyourdad Your team is 13-12. The Thunder are 11-14 (in the Western Conference). Are you telling me you’re only 2 games better than an AAU squad who’s playing in a tougher conference - and who’s missing their #2 pick??? Get a fuckin’ clue.
@@ErroneousMonk1 no yea my team sucks we only have 3 players I'd keep and haliburton is the oldest lol
Wtf is on Williams face?
I doubt Giddy can be a star next to SGA because they both need the ball. Giddy playing 30 minutes and only has 5.5 assists. If he's a great playmaker and he has the ball more he would have more. You can only have one ball dominant guy in a team
He averaging 16ppg on solid efficiency too so..
That's a heap of steaming hot dude. All the best teams in history have had multiple ball dominant players. Research project for you man..
@@riddlesugg4756 Which teams are you making up here? Lets see Bucks (nope), Lakers (nope), San Antonio (nope), Warriors (nope), Cavs (nope), Miami (nope). That covers about 20 years of champions here. In reality titles go usually to players who aren't guards but are forwards or centers. This is more the era of forwards.
Giddy doesn't fit and OKC will realize it a few years too late
I think you're hyping all these guys up a bit to much.. they really aren't looking like they can compete with the top teams at all for at least another couple seasons together...
Hahah
I’m a HUGE thunder fan, I love the thunder to death. I will go out and represent OKC in downtown San Francisco to show how loyal I am as a OKC fan, butttttttt…I ain’t a fan of Josh Giddey😭 I’ve been watching him this season and all he does really is get a bunch of turnovers and missed shots
2nd highest scorer! Hater!
Just turned 20. Projecting a kid, developing him and then being patient are a winning combo. If we were in Sam’s shoes we would have traded many of these kids.
Josh giddy is a second year player hes learning how to play in the NBA just turn 20 why don't you give him a chance and stop having on themJosh giddy is a second year player hes learning how to play in the NBA just turn 20 why don't you give him a chance Obviously you don't know too much about basketball but hes doing just fine Fair weather fans
@@mrwesmess6715 Thanks. Of course. Most casual fans believe an 18 or 19 year-old should be totally ready and a finished product. That is the beauty of not just Josh but almost the entire OKC roster- filled with kids that could still be in college but playing well against experienced men. And Sam Presti is the master of projecting what his draft picks can be.
@@mrwesmess6715 bro I’m just stating the obvious, I ain’t just a casual fan, been with OKC since 2010, Giddey just seems to turn the ball over a lot, he is honestly playing a lil worse this season then he did last season. He just seems to turn it over a lot, now Poku is someone I see a ton of potential with and is playing at a elite level. Jalen Williams as well is extremely good, but Giddey just doesn’t seem to fit in the lineup at this time
Giddey? No.2 option? He’s not been playing good at all this season. And I see him continuing to be a liability for the thunder as long as he doesn’t improve his scoring threat or defense. The playmaking isn’t enough.
And he's still the second highest scorer after SGA!?!
He’s just turned 20 and is 4 years younger that SGA. Thunder are not letting him go
Horrendous take keep that ball knowledge to your bro trust
@@xJeffHD Jeff, let Sam drive the car not us whose opinions vary from day-to-day. Watch Detroit, the Magic, the Spurs and the Rockets to see the difference in quality and approach. Like the Celtics in 1956 we are in historic times especially when Chet comes into play.