Jubilee Is Just Monetizing off of Oppression
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0:00 prelude
2:16 intro
6:02 dance with me
11:51 jubilee and “argu-sations”
16:24 two sides, different coin
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can jubilee fans and jubilee criticizers find middle ground?
don't give them ideas😭
😭😭😭
not on jubilee
Can't wait for aba and preach to get that video
no cause they'd actually do this
Jubilee: Can murderers and their victims find middle ground?
They whip out a ouija board and slam it on the table
Jubilee: Rapists VS Their Victims. Can they find middle ground?
I mean they did Israel vs Palestine…
thats just the israel palestine video
they've done that video multiple times
Jubilee videos be like: Holocaust Survivor vs. Neo Nazis
if RUclips existed in the 1900's
I mean they made 2 'Israel-Palestine' videos
I've actually seen a video like that. 💀 Not from Jubilee but something else.
@@user-kg6pr1iv4iwas it in 2022? When a old lady holocaust survivor meets another old lady(?) or man neo nazi
As if that video wouldn’t be interesting.
JubiIee is the fast food version of onIine poIiticaI discourse. All empty calories, no substance
and also mass-produced and cheap
thats something to chew on (very good metaphor, it got me thinking)
stinks up the car even after you throw out the trash
At least fast food fills your stomach. Jubilee videos don't even do that...
is your L key broken? thought I wouldn't notice, eh?
I swear to god someday they’re gonna have an episode titled “SA survivors vs. rapists” . Would not surprise me at all.
i’d throw up
The way I had this exact same thought in my head several minutes ago...Jubilee would defitnetly do some fuck shit like that.
Or “can abuse survivors and their abusers find middle ground?” Imagine the sheer amount of manipulation.
i wouldn’t doubt that, they’ll do anything for profit.
they’re a company labelling themselves as “empathetic” which is impossible, companies solely care about profit and nothing else, no matter how much they attempt to personalize and humanize their brand.
Can children and pedophiles find middle ground?
Their Israel / Palestine video is especially bonkers imo. If Jubilee and RUclips existed in 1940s Germany I'm sure that they'd create a smug, condescending, melodramatic video where the Nazi deathcamp guys and their Jewish prisoners find some kind of moral middle ground
So truee..... a vid between prisoners of auschwartz and n@zis..... lol
I was baffled at every clip! "They are hiding in the hospitals" So hostage negotiations should end with bombing a whole building including the hostages? How is a Palestinian supposed to argue with someone who has dehumanized him to this degree? Its beyond useless, its downright cruel.
Considering USA literally ignored WW2 before Pearl Harbor and even after getting involved made it all about themselves this would absolutely happen.
@papkinn but... but... but we're the good guys!
yeah theres old newspapers that show nazi sympathetic sentiments from the US @@msjkramey
The Israel Palestine video was fucking wild even back then. You had the Palestinians go first and describe how harrowing the experience of being pushed out of their homes has been. And then the Israelites start talking about how inconvenient it is that Palestinians are there and how annoying they are….TO PALESTINIANS
i like how neither represent the majority
because palestinians are indocrinated to hate israelis and israelis do actually feel for palestinians considering they have the same enemy h@mas
@@wwanca3771erm Israelis are literally taught to blame Palestinians (ALL of them) for the holocaust. Hamas was established AFTER Israel settled on occupied Palestinian territory, so now what. if anyone is indoctrinated it’s Israeli students, there is no common enemy here. it’s a genocide of Palestinians perpetrated by Israel, there is no both sides ☠️
Not Israelites. Israelis is the term you’re looking for. Israelites refers to the common ancestors of Jews, Samaritans, and many Palestinians who lived in the region thousands of years ago. Israelis are the current citizens of Israel.
But yeah that sounds disgusting and tone deaf.
@@spacecore8250 Just learned something new! This is a very important distinction that I wish I had been aware of earlier. Thank you :)
@@k_n_c_y You're welcome
Jubilee: “Can an israeli missile and a palestinian child find middle ground?”
Missile : I have right to defend myself
Child : Mamma, gugu-gaga😭
nah cause that was literally that one episode i swear😭
@arhmakhyar3088 not funny or to make light of
Not funny or to make light of
Wtf is wrong with you??@@arhamakhyar3088
Oh i've been waitingggg for someone to talk about this. Always found it super weird that they had a marginalised group "debate" their right to exist with the very people who are making their lives harder. Like....marginalised groups are tired of explaining themselves, and the opposition doesn't want to change their view, so WHO do they think this is benefiting?
LITERALLY its so similar to american political figures acting like talking abt a genocide is like kids fighting on a playground
@@kookystae right?!? plus the amount of people i see calling a blatant genocide an "overstatement" is baffling. it is literally the textbook definition of genocide and people are still finding a way to justify it?? what kind of sick world are we living in
@@-rianna DUDE LITERALLYYYY its insane
Gays vs evil homophobic conservatives that think gays and their existence is fucking evil: Can they find a middle ground?
I used to like thier videos but they started to milk every controversial subject
The Israel vs Palestine video was ridiculous and honestly the argument was ended the first time when the Palestinian guy asked the Israeli guy where his grandfather 7 generations ago was from and he said Poland and then the Palestinian guy said mine was in Palestine
and who's Ancestor was there first? (israelites)
still the Palestinian @@user-or2vk2sw6q
many euro jews cannot be connected to israel/palestine through ancestry so still no@@user-or2vk2sw6q
@@user-or2vk2sw6qwait can you clarify this, cuz I think I'm reading it as you supporting Israel
@@user-or2vk2sw6q yes, the ancient israelites are the ancesors of current palestinians, not israelis.
Their video "Convicted Child Murderers vs 3rd Graders" was actually really nuanced and it was nice seeing everyone come out of it with a new perspective. It's just too bad we lost young Brandon in the process :(
Brandon had it coming. You’re an idiot for defending him honestly, don’t bother replying I’m blocking you and don’t want to hear what you have to say.
Bro 😂
i genuinely thought you were referring to an actual video they made LOOOOOL
i call production issue!! no one told the child murderers what "vs" really meant
why did I think this was real 😭
“Everyone’s opinion” is NOT equal when it comes to human rights !!
So what is the best opinion and why is it yours?
@@1232Nthe best opinion is that genocide is bad
@@mariam8275 yes, Everyone else is a genocidal villain except for you.
There are no sincere differences of opinion, just intentional malice.
@@1232N bro what 😭 how are you arguing with me because i said ‘genocide is bad’
@@mariam8275 who, argued against that?
I just hate that they’ve made “empathy” their whole brand. It’s like how “wife guys” always turn out to be terrible husbands
*cough cough* Ned from Try Guys
I blame Jubilee as part of the reason everyone is so divided today. Most of their content is either flamebait or downright false advertising
I wouldn't say blame, more of a product of how media is consumed.
@@Mia-ii1szits both, the are only doing this garbage because this type of content has gotten more popular as people are getting more divided, and they are also actively contributing to this same problem by participating in it
Kinda but I feel like jubilee is just an reflection of how people express opinions which is debating and not actually listening to what the other person is saying we have become more divisive due to misinformation and jubilee is just profiting off it
the west has raised a generation of weak ppl who let corps have control over their mind instead of themselves
jubilee is not the fucking reason we're divided lmao, exaggerating doesn't even come close to what you said
if jubilee existed in the 40s they'd have made a video like "British Colonial Officers and Indian Serfs: Middle Ground"
I love this, it really shows just how idiot and worthless Jubilee videos are lmao. I would not be surprised if they made a video defending pedophilia.
Jubilee in the 1920s British Occupation Soldiers vs Irish Peasants
they totally would lmaooo
Crazy to call a genocide different sides of the coin like sir??!? Thank you for speaking about this
it’s funny how an international court(the only institution who can legally decide if something is or isn’t genocide)ruled that israel is not in fact commiting genocide
but i guess the free palestine people are way more concerned about virtue signaling than actually caring about innocents
Yikes! Have you seen South Africa's case against Israel?
Man learns people in power abuse their power 🫨
@@wwanca3771 Yikes! Have u seen South Africa's case against Israel?
Man learns people in power abuse it 🫨
@@wwanca3771what planet are you living on?
@@wwanca3771yeah because international courts are infallible and we should take everything they say as gospel
Oh im seated
hello ben
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omg bennnn
Seated indeed
BENNNNN!
stopped watching when they did ex-cons vs cops. every question just gradually became more and more contrived to the point of near dehumanisation
Could you go into more detail on that? I'm curious but I'd rather not give them the view
@@msjkrameyit’s been a while since I watched the vid but basically the questions proceed to make being a felon a irredeemable label that disqualifies you toward human rights. There was even one question that almost made one of the formerly incarcerated participants walk out.
Overall it’s just disgusting to make people argue for their humanity in the guise of “civil discourse.”
@@maxsoncadet3124 jeez. I understand being mad (particularly at certain types of criminals), but that doesn't mean they're less human or deserve less rights. That's wild. Thanks for answering btw!
@@msjkramey All of the video was the ex-cons bringing up some valid points and the cops going "not all cops!!!" then later confirming they're one of the cops being talked about, really not worth a watch unless you want to get infuriated lol
@tamago5765 thanks for the warning. As someone who got PTSD from police brutality. I try to avoid shit like that. But at the same time, it's kinda healing to hear from others with similar experiences, so it's difficult to navigate what's good content and what's copaganda
I don't think it should be an unpopular opinion that I shouldn't be forced to "hear out the other side" if they want my existence gone, nor do I think it makes me shallow minded for not entertaining it or not "being the bigger person" (aka i don't take bigotry with grace)
Yeah, that should not be an unpopular opinion at all. Human/civil rights should not be a “debate”.
its always hilarious when people pull the whole "so much for the tolerant left!" when u say stuff like that, like yeah no shit? a real leftist doesnt believe in respectability politics or tolerating bigotry, they think of liberals as the left when theyre just glorified centrists no one with genuine left wing values believes in hearing someone with inherently violent beliefs out just for the sake of being seen as tolerant lmao
@@SarastistheSerpentexactlyyyyy or political!
@@SarastistheSerpentbut if you never debate you’ll never get anywhere. There’s a good chance talking passionately about your side will not make people listen, but screaming it at them will also not make them think. If they won’t listen to even a calm and collected explanation of civil rights then yeah they are no longer worth your time
@ajakakakak
Babes, they said they wanna have a convo with someone who thinks their rights are up for debate. As someone who has tried to talk about multiple former close friends about their LGBTQIA+ cronky opinions, sometimes it doesn't feel worth it to stick around with someone you know kinda counts you as disgusting. And the person you are responding said nothing about screaming, they were talking about not talking to certain people. So your comparison does not apply here (and I ask you to self-examine where it does come from).
Talking to these people who have hateful opinions is important, yes, but that entire burden should not be placed on the marginalised person they have these feelings towards. It's something everyone who considers themself to be an ally to these communities or wants to see change should also be doing, among other things.
In my opinion jubilee has like three outcomes: 1. You are already educated and are annoyed at the amount of platforming done to bigoted people 2. You're not informed and the bad ideas seem to have a lot more credibility than they do or 3. You're a bigot and you can use the other bigoted people in those videos to confirm your bias
Your points really clearly sum up how only side benefits from these discussion!! …no real “middle group”
I mean they are trying to show us the reality of the world. Yes they allow bigots to talk, but for guys like me, it's a reminder of how different bigots exist in this world and how to learn to overcome them. Unless the bigots express themselves how would we be able to fix their and similar minded people's problem
@@karlschreiber-woods6743 This isn’t about right or wrong opinions this is about actual people’s human rights. If a guy comes up to me and wants to debate why they want to take away my life-saving medication I‘d tell them to f*** off.
The kinds of debates Jubilee is platforming have almost always one side that would have their entire life made worse if the other side had their way, while the other way around everyone would be able to live normally.
I used to watch them for their mole videos because i thought they were silly. I started distancing myself right after middle ground became a thing/when i noticed them. Few were reasonable but then later became more of a oppressed group vs people who think they should remain oppressed. Somebody once mentioned it but giving both sides a platform felt like when a teacher would stop a bully by blaming the behavior of both kids and not the aggressor
Anyways, sorry for the long rant I just really dislike jubilee because I find them shady and enabling
i think the only reasonable middle ground is have ever watched is the autism episode. i dont think jubilee wants debates, its just people getting angry at each other. for example, how could they put lgbt+ people right in front of homophobes/transphobes and not expect something bad to happen.
Also they often don't talk about real solid fact and bring in a tiktok they watched as evidence for their views 💀
It reminds me of TheShadeRoom. They say they make fun content just to show ppl on what’s going on in the media but they actually just purposefully rile ppl up to say harmful shit so they don’t have to say it themselves.
@@sarahbery what is reasonable abt having people with a marginalized disability try and explain their existence? the allistic people might think of it more often but its not gonna do anything for autistic people who are in a world structured directly against them leading to the high rates of suicidal ideation and unemployment seen in autistic individuals and its unlikely to spread any awareness or lead to further supportive resources and funds towards programs/organizations (Not autism speaks obviously lol)
(tho arguably our world structure isnt beneficial to anyone other than those wealthy and lucky enough to be born a certain way and in a position to escape and ignore problems)
while of course the most effective way to learn abt autism is from an autistic person, setting it up as a "debate" or discussion on youtube in which the title literally implies there is a middle ground to be found between two positions isnt doing that, it isnt educational nor from a place of good faith its cheap and exploitative click bait putting people in uncomfortable and disingenuous positions with a condition/state of existence/lifestyle thatll get views often with leading or probing questions looking for inflammatory or emotional answers
genuinely hope this doesnt come off as rude tone is extremely difficult over text 👍
My favorite Jubilee moment is in their autism video, where they straight up made the most important part of the video (the bit on employment) a Patreon exclusive. For context the autism unemployment rate is 80%, so it'd be a very important topic to put in the video if they were actually trying to be informative.
They were already so far gone but always putting the patreon question as like the most pertinent one was so low
I mean I'm an autistic person and I found that video refreshing in the sense that nobody was at each other's throats like how it's been in other middle ground videos and everyone got along for once. But I agree the autism unemployment bit should not have been patreon exclusive
Ugh I hate how they do 'patreon exclusive' prompts. I'm not totally against the concept of doing "conversation" style videos, but the fact that they make some people's trauma paid content feels super icky.
@@sophie1564 Is just getting more money at the end of the day
the video starts at 0:00
Really
Oh. What the hell. You're just like me
:3@@gregssoft2008
good to know
Thanks 🤗
i remember there being two israel/palestine videos. if i remember correctly, in the first video, they had an iof colonizer and a palestinian man speaking with one another. the iof colonizer says he has ptsd from his time killing children. the palestinian man says he has ptsd from watching his brother get shot in the head by an iof colonized when he himself was a child. the iof colonizer says that the man that shot his brother has it worse than he does, because he has to live with that blood on his hands.
these two populations are not the same.
I don't really have a stance on the Israel-Palestine situation but that is just...what the hell.
bro you read that and you don't have a stance?😭
pure evil
I think the it was the Palestinian's man sister that was shot If I recall correctly
@@respectthefish4992I watched an Israeli soldier kill my family.
“I think I’m gonna be neutral on this topic we should really hear out both sides.”
It really reminds me of Ben Shapiro having a conversation with his friend who is a gay married man and them basically saying "we don't agree in our morals and human rights. But it's okay bc we can talk about it and disagree with grace" like WHAT?
Are you talking about his conversation with Dave Rubin? That shit was especially bad because I'm pretty sure Shapiro told Dave Rubin to his face that he wouldn't go to his wedding or it was the other way around
@@count_rizzula I am! Thanks I couldn't remember Dave's name- and yeah Shapiro said he wouldn't attend Dave's wedding or wedding anniversary
Eesh Dave rubin. What happened to him he went down a rabbit hole
@@count_rizzulawait Dave Rubin is gay?? I've seen his dumbass "arguments" for years in various videos but I had no idea
@@count_rizzulaBen "I'll go to a gay barbeque but not a gay wedding" Shapiro, congratulating himself on being civil as he says to one of his presumed friends that his marriage is a sham and an affront to God. Normal and fine things.
It’s very moderate neoliberal “mmm yes let’s have a debate over human rights” and then pit marginalized people against MEDIA TRAINED PROFESSIONALS. Pretty much no one ever walks away having gained better insight, all there is at best is an impasse and at worst making the marginalized groups out to be emotional and hysterical for having their own right to exist argued against right to their faces.
Your last point is one I really want to highlight. This type of content really feeds into the "straight cis white male of reddit" vibe I see all the time lately where, because *all forms of oppression are entirely hypothetical to them* they think oppressed people who are upset with their oppressors are being "aggressive" and "intolerant", "emotional rather than logical" and "unwilling to compromise", which in terms feeds into their smug sense of superiority because they're not emotionally involved.
Says the guy who probably doesn’t even know what human rights are.
@@reflex9238"What Are Human Rights?
Human rights are rights inherent to all human beings, regardless of race, sex, nationality, ethnicity, language, religion, or any other status. Human rights include the right to life and liberty, freedom from slavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education, and many more. Everyone is entitled to these rights, without discrimination."
Source(s) :United Nations
Note, however, that your right to the freedom of expression does not override someone else's right to not be discriminated against in the aforementioned ways
Hope this helps
@@kajamatousek247 I love it, you gave a massive tangent to something that doesn't even contribute to your point. Okay bud how is anyone discriminating again you don't explain that because you know you're wrong.
@@reflex9238 fuck off, you arent trying to be genuine, you just wanna make people mad
Middle ground is just outright depressing to watch, both because it's a "debate" between members of a marginalized community (seriously, how many "debates" about lgbtq have they done?) and people who are against them and because most of the time they walk away thinking the same things, just angrier. I just don't get the point of these, other than earning money on popular topics while also giving a platform to bigots.
even though they try to present as neutral i feel like theyre definitely more on the conservative side because the questions they ask are usually vile and almost always target the marginalized people in their videos. i get theyre trying to spark conversation between two polarized groups but thats just it, both groups are polarized. there is no middle ground that will be reached. i know me personally ive seen jubilee videos where i know i would never find a middle ground with one side and unsurprisingly thats what happens in the video.
Especially since they never get experts in or pause the "debate" and point out when someone has said something factually incorrect, deceptive, or manipulated context. They're willing to pump out absolute shit and call it a debate because it makes them money. Then they have the nerve to create content where they discuss getting their feelings hurt because people shit on the videos. Smh
@@harashe1000 that’s a great point to make. They do need some experts or researchers that can fact-check the debaters. That way, they can at least help prevent misinformation. Then again, just the concept of a marginalized community debating their rights with their oppressors is already flawed and dystopian honestly.
The comments are equally depressing. Especially with the ones about trans people. It sucks to see a whole community of people hate us for existing.
Maybe, just maybe, the people aren't always marginalised and the 'bigots' aren't always bigots. What if that's what's actually being debated...
The women’s day video is so gross, they’re trying to be like "well it’s not like we’re making men pick because that’s wrong, this is girls support girls and definitely not content made for men’s enjoyment." Idk if that makes sense 😭
Yeah that video was actually insane
“Let’s make women compete against each other and fuel their insecurities and men to watch and judge their bodies too, we did such a great women’s day video!”
No u make sense, dont worry.
Literally 😭I saw so many people trying to defend the video, too. It's gross.
I told RUclips to stop recommending jubilee videos to me. And I’m much happier now.
I accidentally visited their offices once in LA (worked in the same building on different floors) and they were joking about how they just find groups that hate each other. The frustrating thing is that they usually pick niche influencers to represent the points of view (bc it's los angeles and its really just about the money) who are already well versed in being entertaining for the camera
I hate this. At least pick people well versed in the topic and not just people who are clueless but passionate
@Xxsorafan it really pissed me off bc the asian American video is just all tiktokers. The black political spectrum is also all tiktokers. Like it's really just one big ad. It's like the whatever podcast is literally just an onlyfans ad for the girls
Wait you guys can go into each other's offices despite working for different companies. Jubilee's doors should have been locked and only accessible to the employees. Where I work there's a building pass and there's also a separate company pass.
Was it your first day or did someone from Jubilee assumed you worked there and just let you in? Sorry but I'm sceptical.
@@aprilsummers6447 I don't know why you think a small business holding offices would have so much security
@@katc2040 do you not have keys, fobs or cards or a passcode to access your home? A company doesn't need to be big mega rich have locked doors.
Great video! My favorite Jubilee example was something like "Men's Right Activists VS Feminists"; the MRAs were all the type of terminally-online men who spend all day rehearsing rebuttals to feminist talking points as their primary hobby, and the "feminists" were just...some women. They seemed to have a very surface-level, pop-feminism understanding of gender issues (although that could have just been the Jubilee edit). No shade to those ladies but it takes a lot of knowledge about gender issues to genuinely engage with MRAs. Basically, it wasn't a fair fight at all!
Yeah, that is why I do not engage in online activism for anything especially mra
aren't guys allowed to talk about their feelings or issues (somethings MRAs advocate for) and people calling it "toxic masculinty" for those who don't do it?? calling that a "hobby" doesn't seem right, not to mention that jubilee is a leftist channel, so they want feminists to look like the rational ones while demonitizing the others (BTW, that "intersectional" chick in that vid told kursat "came with your little resarch or whatever...", to me, that's feminist attitude, not some random women).
FINALLY somebody rightfully criticizing this shit. I get so annoyed seeing all of the 'reaction' content based around this channel because it all feels so exploitative and weird.
Same
I figured out real quick how fake Jubilee was after I realized that they'd make these very polarizing, rage bait videos but would never moderate the many bigoted things people were saying in their comment section. So much for "promoting understanding"
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Thank you oh my god 😭 the detransitioner video was so appalling and infuriating and... I avoided the channel like the plague after that. Its just a cheap way to pretend to be neutral, even when youre exerting influence over the overton window.
Also the point about tattoos is so fucking stupid and if i ever hear it again-- okay im feeding into the rage again
I didn’t even watch that one bc I KNEW I’d get way too upset. I detransitioned and I don’t even give people the time of day if they see folks like me as nothing more than a weapon for their gain. “Transgender people deserve to live? Well THIS PERSON isn’t transgender, so there!” Like??? I actually don’t regret my decisions and believe my trans siblings deserve safety to transition but that doesn’t fit the traditional westerner’s argument so it doesn’t matter 😅
I agree that it’s them pretending to be neutral! Pitching a fight between people is already crazy, but then making themselves into some sort of revolutionary for doing so??? Weird af😂
@@AKA253 Thank you for not turning against trans people (which shouldn't even be a thing I have to thank you for, but social media makes it difficult for me personally to find detransitioners who aren't maliciously trying to prevent people who need to transition to be able to do so) we're all just trying to find ourselves, including those who detransition. I'm glad you were able to find yourself and I hope you're doing well.
Maybe it's you who's exerting influence over the overton window, if you want such discussions to not be had)
@@user-sd6lg8lf5cIt's not that the discussions shouldn't be had, but that bad-faith discussions shouldn't be had. Jubilee brings on people who will be guaranteed to start a fight just because people like seeing extremists for different reasons. They either reinforce their beliefs or they're entertainment for people who disagree with them. The extremist character will talk over people, start arguments (not arguments as in debates, but literal yelling, screaming arguments), and a moderator (if there's one) will have to tell them to stop. It creates drama and can also make an underdog/kind character that people feel bad for if the extremist targets someone specifically. These discussions would be good, but not if they're run like how Jubilee does it. Jubilee only wants to make a story and a drama video for views, not host a real discussion where people calmly talk to one another about their different opinions with a real neutral moderator.
I'm still waiting on them to finally grow some balls and make the "KKK members vs Black people" or "Nazis vs Jewish people" videos
that I'd lowkey watch
😃🍿
I swear I remember them making something like the latter, might have just been a fever dream though
'Purposefully unproductive'- i like that
saji is so perfectly eloquent and can get their point across without making it feel like you're dumb for not knowing what hes talking about. its a real skill ❤
so well said. it feels a peer talking to you about something they’ve learned a lot about recently/already know about who just wants to help you learn and you are just happy to learn
@@GiggyFortexFilms LITERALLY it makes being on the internet not as hard
The only reason he comes across as eloquent to you is because you agree with him ahaha to me he seemed like a smug annoying twat
I find it frustrating how we're supposed to find middle ground on everything, but for some things, there shouldn't be middle ground. Some people are just genuinely being the apathetic and cruel ones to an oppressed group of people.
This vid and funky frog baits most recent video need to be directly streamed into everyone’s homes in America. Ragebait is at an all time high, WE need to be better and we need better media comprehension and literacy.
I'm glad another frogbait view brought this up
i just watched their video earlier lol
I remember when we were taught debate in school it was VERY structured. You came prepared with your points, presented your case. Listened to your opponent. Wrote down rebuttals and gave them. Then did your conclusion and a winner got picked.
Debate isn’t whatever the hell Ben Shapiro was doing
YESSS like this isn’t even what middle school debate looks like, it’s basically dinner time argument.
Yeah i always thought debate was a speech standing for and against the speech. Not this arguing type thing
Your comment reminds me of the movie, The Great Debaters. I love the movie.
It never was what Ben Shapiro was doing. Never has been.
Thank you so much for making this video. I had the opportunity of appearing on Jubilee's "Should Minors Transition Video" and the entire shoot just felt like a huge ambush-- it immediately became super clear that Jubilee wasn't interested in fostering a real conversation at all; 2 of the 3 people on the "opposing side" of the conversation weren't even on board with adults transitioning so there was just absolutely no room for a meaningful discussion 😭
I love it when people debate my right to exist ❤️(sarcasm)
Finally somebody said it, i was already started to dislike that format, after the "Israel vs Palestine" video and watching it fully, i unsubscribed. Imagine if they did "english colonizer vs indian"... The same thing, how do they not realise it. Not to say that people shouldn't have conversations, but the way they put it, like they can come out of that with an answer that stands right in the middle. "I'll stop killing your population, as long as you'll let me use your people's labour for free"
Did you watch Jubilee’s first Israel vs Palestine video from a couple years ago? The lack of moderation was so upsetting :(
@@deansbian5607 yeah I watched both :\
As if a women of color who isn’t a feminist has any more knowledge or right to disprove feminism as a women of color myself that’s literally ridiculous
Exactly! It was just to make the white women nervous in fear of offending them
Are you stupid? You are giving pick me
"I'm not like the other girls. Please notice me, boys"
It's not about actual feminism, it's about modern feminism. Modern feminism isn't there for actual POCs. That's why there are many people of colour who don't agree with it
and its like, actual scholars write books on feminism. most books against feminism are just written by some successful man that has no real knowledge on the subject besides having 2 ex-wives.
Jubilee and legacy media have the same issue when it comes to “ debate” having to argue against your oppressor for the right to live but both opinions are seen to hold equal value.
I have been talking about that with some friends a few days ago like excuse me??!!?!! It is like we are living in an alternate universe, where people are literally monetizing off an on-going Genocide. How is that okay? Feels like a Black Mirror episode ngl.
It not a genocide if your talking about gaza.
Jubilee: can a pride of hungry lionesses and a pack of wildebeests find middle ground?
One of the biggest problems I have with the 'Middle Ground' episodes is that one side will have people who have a career in media/debate, but then the other side is usually just random people who, at most, have a lot of instagram followers. It's pretty clear that they don't actually care about fairness, they just want heated moments that get them clicks.
my mom was on one of their episodes, it was after i told her she had to do it because they were a huge channel and i watched them. she said that it was a horrible experience, putting people who are so obviously delusional about their beliefs in front of the people with opposing views is unproductive and harmful for those being oppressed. i feel like i am partly to blame for her having a traumatic experience on set just cause i helped convince her to do it, but i have since unsubscribed from them :/
Excellent video. I have a coworker who sometimes subjects himself to the horror of Jubilee videos, and whilst we've had occasional debates, we've found so much more empathy and, well, middle ground by just...talking. He's a cishet "centrist" and I'm nonbinary bisexual with a transmasc partner. But the most understanding and learning he's had about trans issues is just...us talking candidly.
Whilst he's still not perfect on things, such as not understanding they/them- you know what was productive? Not spending hours combing through dictionary origins and linguistic history on pronoun semantics, but finding a connection.
We're both autistic, and I noticed that whilst for me gender roles make no sense and seem arbitrary and restrictive to my autism brain, his autism and lack of 'getting' social cues caused the opposite conclusion- that gender roles just -are- and theres no reason why you'd want no part of it.
When I empathised and said 'man if I was dude (passing) I'd have no idea how to flirt I'd just stand there', it helped validate his insecurities about how its hard there on the dating scene, and when he was talking about the Jordan Peterson stats of 10:1 ratios on dating apps, I explained that women (passing) people kinda have to be choosy because there's a much more common fear of a dude being at worst a murderer or at best mildly shitty and not a good fit. When he was curious if my partner wanted The SurgeryTM, I explained that he didn't know, but if he feel safe wearing dresses he would- and when he was confused at that bc most trans rep on media is very gender-adhering I Brought up that he wore a dress for a Halloween party with friends as Marilyn Monroe as a joke but he was still a dude, and he understood it more.
Sure, he's not gonna get everything, and theres times I've 'lost' a debate or won't get him to get that singular they/them exists, but if he met my partner he wouldn't see them as 'that weirdo trans person' but as 'my coworkers partner, who likes supernatural like me and helped my coworker through some rough times and eats hot cheetos and gets the Struggle of Spicy Food Tummy Hurt' and even if he would do a microaggression or two, he would acknowledge him as a person that should be respected, not as a debate point to 'disprove' or a 'cringe comp' to gawk at.
Oftentimes a lot of seemingly Conservative talking points can be corrected with a mild nudge. For example, the Avatar 'Sokka's not sexist' was misattributed to 'being woke and not being able to do that anymore' but I chimed in that it prevented his character development and most people across the board agree that it was a bad change, and that its more important to show characters growing from bigotry than not having that bigotry in the first place. 'I'm angry about affirmative action' can usually be reasoned with 'I think it's a poor bandaid solution to a more complex problem and I hate that it's largely an optics move by corporations that don't want to actually help workers'- saying 'okay you're a racist fuckhead' just starts a debate that will get nowhere because you're both defending your points*.
However, I should also add that these conversations should only occur as long as people feel safe- if you're someone that's potentially threatened or a black person tired of having to bend over backwards to gently tell someone racism bad to a bad faith actor, you're well within your right to tell them to fuck off. Sometimes when an egregious reactionary short is on that I know will go nowhere I just dip out briefly or avoid conversation, and theres nothing wrong with that. (It's also why allyship is so important, to allow for these conversations to take place- if a white guy is talking about how you should be nice to brown people in a Sundown Town, the reward doesn't outweigh the risk as opposed to a black person talking about it).
Really nice video. My only problem is that after saying consumerism bad and you should encourage connection you shill your Patreon, though that's probably tongue in cheek I think adding an extra joke at the end would be a bit clearer.
Sorry for the wall of text akdhfjkwmsmg
The conservative trans people vs liberal trans people was badly put together. Blossom was just awful, and the rest of the liberals were ordinary people off the street. Meanwhile, many of the conservatives were professional pundits or had expertise in some of the questions being asked. If you're going to ask a question about Trump's trans military ban, but you only bother to bring an actual servicemember to one side, that's not going to be an enlightening conversation.
been WAITING on somebody to make a video on this
Me too. I’ve only ever seen people reacting to the middle ground stuff before this. I never got the appeal and thought it was weird so this video is nice
Tara Moonknee, Alice Cappelle, Tirrrb.
You're welcome.
@@monochromicornthetuna4256 thanks.
Yesss! Glad to see it brought up. That channel is so shameless.
Jubilee is so gross and disgusting. That being said, Saji looks cool as hell. the sheer vibes are so awesome. Also, that book seems really nice! It’s going on my reading list!
More RUclipsrs need to do the right thing and start getting sponsored by Big Weed. I'm tired of the oppression from Big Therapy and Big Perfume.
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The questions are always so... dehumanizing. So much so that sometimes jubilee has to skip the question because both sides indisputably disagree with the question.
Have been saying that for a while. Great video as usual
Free Palestine ❤❤
Fantastic way to frame and discuss this
How?
Awesome, thoughtful video! I feel like Empathy is often twisted into an expectation to be polite to everyone, including oppressors.
This is why I love Anthony Padilla's Assumption series. It is literally Jubilee, but they give a voice only to the ones who actually need it.
Fr and he’s not judging and everyone in the comments are so excepting and positive,….unlike every jubilee vid 😭
And on what basis do you decide who gets a voice?
People who have been interviewed in his videos have said that he clips parts of interviews to make the person he interviews more "entertaining" or seem less intelligent/sensible, so I'd beware of that
so what you’re saying is that you like his content..because it’s biased?
@@user-sd6lg8lf5c refusing to show pro-genocide people a good start lmao. The slippery slope argument is stupid because the line is just “is your ‘marginalized identity’ based on hating a group of people? Yes? Then you’re not going on.” That’s a pretty clear cut line that’s hard to make slippery
Jubilee be like: severely oppressed people and their oppressors. can they find a middle ground?
No?????
No fr r yall nuts 😂😂😂
the video starts at 2:15😛
P.S. Great content, Cheers!
Some things do have a middle ground
Genocide is not one of those things.
thank you. haven't finished the video yet but you're so funny and on point with it. i haven't watched jubilee without it being a reacted thing because this shit is wild and stupid and just a public debate-finished and that's exactly it. that's what I've been trying to say
Jubilee is basically a RUclips version of that CNN show "Crossfire." It's just a debate theater where no one gains any insight on anything.
I've slowly started to drift away from "commentary youtubers" but your videos always hit. Very entertaining. Good.
this is why i've always preferred cut. the people on there actually have mature, insighful conversations and the channel doesn't constantly try to profit off people's trauma.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who found those videos weird. It just feels so gross and even cruel to take someone from a marginalized community and make them speak to their oppressors who don’t respect them and want to take their rights away.
It reminds me of this old talk show where they brought on literal nahtzee white supremacists and wanted some Black men (and I think Jewish men too) to “have a conversation” with them. Like who the hell thinks that’s a good idea? These people will NOT get along and for good reason.
They just want a fight to break out between the people or have the awful people be awful and cause distress to others. It’s abhorrent.
I feel like you perfectly described a feeling I've had for a while about them but wasn't able to put into words. I actually used to watch their 'Middle Ground' series when I was 13-14 (ish, I could be wrong about the time frame) religiously and with time their content in general started to give me the 'ick' as i matured and learned more about the world around me, but I was never able to verbalise exactly what it was. So, thank you for making this video because you did exactly that and you did it wonderfully!
Yeah, I’ve noticed that for a while. It’s been, just living their life vs hating on the people who live their life. Like that’s not a debate, one side attacks them, the other side defends themselves.
These debates piss me off so much, nothing productive is happening at all. Debates arent fun or helpful if its one side trying to convince the other that they should be allowed to exist, that playing field is never even
I love how Jubilee claims they want freedom of discourse then strike false copyright claims against content creators who express a different opinion in their reactions. I.e. aba and preach
so glad I found your channel. can't wait to watch more. your point on approaching "debates" as conversations with empathy *chefs kiss*
I absolutely think that debates CAN be conversations. My family is really into debating, but not this kind of debating but rather talking about our opinions and explaining why we think this and everyone comes out a little better from them because we can understand the other side a bit better.
I think healthy debating is extremely important and needs to be normalised
Getting this recommended after they did fit men vs fat men and had on one of the fit and fresh guys and proceeded to let him insult the other guests, talk about conspiracy theories and be insanely misogynistic when it wasn’t even a topic at hand! Jubilee is terrible with these middle grounds because it’s just platforming people
CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE THAT HATE ME MENTIONED!!!!!!!
Omg I LOVED it in podcast form, I should read the book. I LOVE Dylan Marron, and that podcast was really helpful to me as a trans and queer teenager being cyberbullied
This is genuinely a great video man well done, I am shocked more people didn't talk about this before, great job! 👏
I’m so happy someone is talking about this - and so well too omg THANK YOU!
yes, thank you! they have always felt so weird and wrong. especially because it normalizes this very dangerous both sides-ism. human rights, genuine pain, plain facts vs. "but I don't like it". disgusting
Im so glad someone finally made a video because you don’t even know how many times I’ve seen jubilees thumbnails and being like “are they serious right now?”
ive been waiting for more videos about this and im so happy you made it
Even the thumbnails of those videos upset me so I've never watched one but this is a super well made video and I'm definitely going to check out that book!!
yess thank you for this !!!
always rubbed me the wrong way how jubilee is like “racists 🫢 vs non-racists 🤔 who is right? 🫣” lmao
i have not seen a lot of people talking about this and it makes me so happy that you did!! jubilee has been giving me the ick for way too long
I’ve been commenting this on some of their community announcements for a while now. Love the video!!
Its not productive or a society to be like Jubilee to act like both sides in a discussion are equally smart or that there are only 2 sides to an issue.
I love the shoutout to Dylan, I've loved his podcast for years now! He's such a beautiful soul who's just trying to truly have a conversation and understand where everyone's coming from as people ❤
There’s a certain level of privilege I feel, to be able to be entertained by these intense debate videos. Cause even if the partakers wore literal clown costumes and full makeup, I wouldn’t be able to look past the fact that they discussed my rights to live and breathe as if it was a matter of ketchup versus mustard.
THANKYOUUU!!!! ive only read the title yet but THANK YOU!!!!!
THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT THIS
Thank you for this, just leaving a comment to help your algorithm.
clicked on this cause it looked interesting and it was a saji video! wahoo
It's always struck me as strange that the Middle Ground titles use "vs" in the titles when episodes aren't supposed to be fights but conversations.
U ate wit this thumbnail Saji
This video is also rage baiting.
Love the videos, man. Keep it up!!!
I let out an audible “YES” when I saw you posted
i thought being in my dorm all week finally got to me when the intro started😭
i feel like jubilee doesnt understand that some things should not be debated
And may I ask you who gets to decide, on what basis, and why, certain things should not be debated?
@@InsertNameHere911 human rights ig?
@@InsertNameHere911 yeah but jubilee's whole thing is "debating" (but i agree)
@@InsertNameHere911discussion and debate are different things. I did debate competitively on a national level and trust me nobody learns anything or finds common ground when debating
@@user-sd6lg8lf5cHow would you feel if your right to exist was constantly debated ?