Just got mine 2 weeks ago. Haven’t drove manual in 13years. Took me a week to get back into the flow. Although, not TR, this review helped me make my decision. Thank you!
Great review. Now imagine it with 390whp/415ft-lbs, 6700rpm redline, intake/BOV noise, 35% shorter shifts, and a tasteful growl from the Cobb exhaust. That’s what I’ve done to my ‘22 Premium and it’s a downright excellent driving experience. Total cost $31k for the new car and $4k in mods. It does 0-60 in 3.5s! Just bonkers value. Edit 8 months later: My ‘22 WRX is at 25k miles now. I drive it like a WRX every day of the week. It hasn’t had a single issue, not even a small hiccup in performance or reliability, and there’s already people with >70k miles at this power level with zero issues. The FA24 is the truth.
now imagine the engine blow within first 6 months. subaru has no reliability. Its time to accept Subaru has left the tuner community and fully embraced the mom community.
It’s because the tuner community - particularly in the case of wrx owners - have shown limited restraint and added 44% more power (like this guy did). Significant power gains come with significant reliability risks
Just picked mine up last night (upgraded from 22 premium seen in my profile). Many small differences add up to such a good experience. Cross shopped many competitors but ultimately wanted a manual AWD fun car and nothing else got me excited or offered this much livability for a family guy with 3 kids. 🍻
Just bought a premium to replace my manual Crosstrek bc I wanted a little more power and performance and I have been absolutely loving it so far. Such a good compromise for a daily driver while still being fun to drive
@@mosesmusazi my crosstrek averaged 28 mpg over 15,000 miles. I’ve only had the wrx for a couple weeks but so far it’s been 27.3 mpg. Biggest difference is wrx recommends premium fuel, so that’s a big difference in fuel costs
@@azera55555 I see. Would you say it’s worth paying more for premium fuel despite having the same mpg’s as compared to a car which takes 87 octane? (Crosstrek)
@@mosesmusazi additional thing to note is that the WRX's engine is rated for premium, meaning if you often use 87 you will not only experience less performance, but also threaten the longevity of the engine, might accrue unwanted repairs too if you're unlucky later down the road. if you're in a hitch, you *can* use 87 but that's if you're in an emergency
Just picked up a 23 Limited 6MT in World Rally Blue. I love it, great DD while still being a reasonably practical family hauler. Can't beat the 1.9% financing on the leftover 23's either!
Dam you are lucky bro i should have done the same lol thinking of trading my 2024 Mazda cx5 for a 2024 wrx in like 7-8 months when they have that deal on the 2024. How is the power and handling?
Your videos on the 22+wrx influenced me a lot to get one (premium trim). Thank you for your quality videos because you gave me all the info I needed to get an absolutely amazing car
@@JoeNocella Don't, the only thing a wrx brings to the table is the awd, if you absolutely need awd and for some reason you don't pick a truck with awd then don't, the subie will burn you just like it did me, first thing you notice is how slow they are youll get beat by everyone else on the street, second is how even if you dump money on it and get it stage2+ e85 surprise surprise its still slow and you are limited in the ammount of HP you can reach because of stock internal limits, the interior sucks and its an expensive car, for the same money you could get so many other actually fast cars its not even a choice, plus there is also the probability you will mess up the engine or transmission since subaru makes them extra weak for a car they KNOW ppl are going to mod.
We are 40hp and a couple lsd's away from a full blown STi and Subaru is doing everything BUT give it to us...I just don't understand it at all. It's actually maddening.
Just picked up a TR two weeks ago. After owning a 2022 for a year, the improvements (larger master brake cylinder, chassis stiffening, and retuned steering) are noticeable and very welcomed. While the infotainment can still be slow sometimes, it is much better than it was with the updates. Brilliant car in all aspects in my opinion. I had a base tune from Drunkmann on the 2022 as well. This car is an absolutely different animal with JUST a conservative OTS tune like DMann's OTS. No mods needed and its just enough to really wake the car up without pushing the motor or trans far at all.
One thing I like about the controversial looks, and hate for lack of STI, is that it makes the WRX underrated. I drove my friend's 23 base, and it was such a mature lovely car. It feels a bit "older" than other new cars in a good way. The powerband is so linear, I was very impressed, after driving the GR Corolla where it felt a little peaky, and jerky on and off throttle. Videos show this WRX passing the previous STI in a roll, and the engine is understressed in the VB. This car punches way above its weight, just wish it was a hatch :)
I got a 22 WRX premium and really want to upgrade to the TR but not sure if i can justify the cost. The upgraded interior, brakes, and subaru eyesight would be nice.
I test drove one and it’s not bad at all. Comparing to new cars, this is still better cuz it has some buttons. Unlike the MK8 yeah I’m talking to u VW! 😂
@@tony2473i thought the same until i bought the mk8. So far it’s not bad. Def prefer buttons but it is not a deal breaker once you settle in. It doesn’t really have ghost/accident clicks like reviewers say
I’m so happy they added eye sight to the manual models and that the turn signal stock actually stays down or up when you use the blinkers. Those were my biggest gripes with the new wrx.
Nice review... your review on the 22 wrx helped persuade me to buy a 23 Wrx premium. And now you're review is making me want to upgrade to the TR... lol great job on the review!
I got a 2023 WRX Premium that was still on the lot this weekend. They had a 2024 TR in the same exact color. I couldn't justify over $10k price difference between the two. Love the car and I think I got a pretty good deal on it. Definitely get the short throw shifter add-on.
@@joshpinchuk7061 my dealership didn’t have any 23s. I did ask to try to get the 1.9% promotion but they aren’t getting any soon. The 24 having eyesight was also an easier sale to my wife
I bought a 2024 Outback Touring XT a month ago and have a few things to note about the 11.6 Starlink display: 1) You can change the A/C button to recirculate if you want, but mine hasn't really used outside air (probably because of the heat and humidity in Central TX). 2) The screen seems to "warm up" and is usually the slowest right after startup and when i haven't opened any menus. Once CarPlay/AA are loaded, you kind of forget about it. 3) Camera quality sucks and it doesn't make much sense as to why Subaru has chosen to cheap out on it.
Personally I’m having a really difficult time thinking if the GR Corolla is worth getting over a WRX TR, prices for the GR are still way too high, let alone being able to find one is still really difficult especially when compared to the TR.
i take wrx all dayover corolla GR. more practical. better interior. More linear powerplant. Seating position in the GR is also said to be way too high.
I miss my 2005 WRX. It drove like it was on rails. People might hate me but I loved the turbo lag. When you now to how to use it. I knew the exact rpm it would light up if I wanted too. It was😢 in my opinion a great sports car. I think I'd rather have the BRZ now, all though I have not driven one yet.
How reliable are these cars and are they expensive to repair compared to a Honda type R? Which year model is recommend, I want it for a daily driver. As far as the interior it's perfect for what I'm looking for.
this white wrx looks INSANE with the red STi lip. I am getting my WRX "TR" (Am canadian, it's the RS here) tomorrow actually, in Magnetic Grey or whatever the color's name. The dark grey one. Still debating on getting the red lip, it might look good too...
I went with new 2023 premium with upgraded sound system and moon roof for $32k rather than 2024. Subaru eyesight has several reported issues with hard braking when not needed. I dont see $12k in benefits on the TR compared to premium or base model. You can get a base 2023 for $29k right now, so $42k for a wrx seems nuts. If you have that $ then Civic type R or VG Golf seem hard to complete with. I'll def buy the brakes when they become available
for that price they should've slapped the STI 6 speed into it along with the D4S from Toyota (for fueling when tuning and no more carbon buildup), then turned up the power to at least 350hp lol
You can tell that there’s like zero sound deadening in that car. That was my biggest complaint with my 2018 STI, driving it on the highway was not enjoyable because the road noise was so loud. I dont think there’s $43,000 worth of car here personally.
I still think premium is the sweet spot for this generation. 43k is A LOT to ask for this car (as someone who owned a 22 limited) with the corolla gr, golf r, type r, even the new model 3 performance being available in a similar price range(if you can find at msrp, which is easier in todays market than before), but stepping down to a premium at around 33-34k is a great deal and still gets 90% of what this has.
I have a 22 premium, yap the infotainment is not good. I noticed the TR turn signal switch stays in place where mine does not. That is annoying at times. Nit pick things, overall, I neither love it or hate it. It is a daily for me that is very practical and I appreciate it for that.
Good catch! That is one of the most annoying thing back when I had my 22 wrx prem. You just push the turn signal but it reverts back to the middle. If you are changing lanes, it can be very trick and even after a couple years owning it, I still get annoyed when I hit the wrong side to signal
Convince me the TR isn't the development mule or Subaru trying to make some R&D back from the internal STI prototypes before the company scrapped the stillborn unit deep within Subaru or STI themselves.
I test drove the TR and i agree with you. I dont think an STI is needed. This car is still a lot of fun to drive you have the power and best of all way more affordable!! those breaks are a game changer IMO. That car is OP on the street and looks prepped for the Track.
I saw a modded video and they wrapped it or painted it and the fugly bumper and looked amazing (better) 😂 so I get it but at least if u do that… def a fix
Great timing on the video! I’m actually about to pickup one of these cars and was curious about the eyesight system. Always get excited seeing the videos Topher!
WRX has a larger aftermarket community and more usable backseats. If you can get past the looks of the new WRX and Tesla esque iPad in the middle of the dash, I say get the WRX.
You can put the recirculation button on the climate dash there is an option you can select such button as the default (is still in the touchscreen but is just on the dash now)
I really wanted to like the vb wrx. I even bought one hoping it would change my mind but I sold it after 6 months because I couldn’t get over the looks and the floaty steering feel. It felt more like a family commuter car other than a fun sports car. I even color matched the cladding and lowered it on Work wheels and I still couldn’t get over the looks of the car. To each their own tho.
I've owned a 2004 STi and currently own a 2012 STi and can't believe the prices of WRX's are at STi prices. New WRX number are better? But when you discontinue the STi Suby I would have to guess feels forced to do more and bring the WRX closer to the STi. Not a fan of the plastic. Wheels are getting better though and brakes were a needed upgrade. Agree on the info-system super sluggish as well on our 2021 Outback. I feel as though Suby has squeezed everything out of the boxer they can and other automakers are passing them. Still iconic.
I love my 2018 but I'm warming up to these. I think they look especially good in white with high contrast OR in gunmetal grey/black when the unpainted bits match. I think the WR Blue and most other colors look weird because the contrast is in the middle.
I have the base. Its not going to drive any different, even with the larger wheels. Its got such a low heavy center. Eyesight is nice, but the base doesn't have blind side alert. You really don't need the harmon cardan or fog lights. Wish the base had push button start. Seat material is cheap.
You hit a pothole and youre going to bend a rim. 19" rims? Why? 17" rims are the sweet spot. Could you even go down to 17's with those brakes? Probably not. Exhaust sounds weak. 3" catless FTW.
@TheTopher How does this compare to the MK8 Golf R in terms of driving dynamics? does the Golf R give more feeling of rear end rotation compared to this? for driving fun would you choose this over a Golf R or vise versa?
I currently have a mk8 golf r (manual) and a 2018 STI. Considering going back to one car…. How do u think the driving experience is of the TR vs the Golf R?
I had 2 VA STI's before getting my 23' base WRX so I can give my honest opinion. The only thing I miss about the STI is the sound. I love my VB so much
This video and Savagegeese's videos on the TR have convinced me that my next car after I want to move on from my black '20 WRX w/PP will be a TR. It does a better job of blending performance, fun, comfort, and year round utility than its competitors However, $43k is just too much when you consider the MSRP of a GRC Premium, the Type R, or the Golf R. In reality, though, there's no mark ups or waiting lists with WRX's, and Subaru even takes orders. I MIGHT be able to find a GRC at MSRP, I'd be lucky to get a Type R for $5k ADM, and the Golf R is impossible to find (and the 6MT is dead in '25). I'm sure I'll be able to find a TR sitting on a lot in 2025 and get it for 10% under MSRP. That's what makes the WRX the choice among its competitors. Kept stock (or close to it), these FA series motors are reliable, and the WRX just gets the job done in all conditions. It's a car that continues to be misunderstood - it is greater than the sum of its parts.
When driving a stick and starting from a stop, go to 2nd gear first and then 1st. Sounds crazy but its shifts way easier into 1st then it does going straight into it. Good review though 👍🏽
I don't know why..... I've only owned my 2020 M340i xDrive for 15 months..... but my heart yearns for a Manual car again...... specifically a 2024 WRX Club Spec (TR with Wing), FL5 Civic Type R or GR Yaris Rallye...... tell me I'm crazy!!! or not??? If I'm not, which would YOU pick out of those? (Yes, I know I'd be "downgrading") Cheers Don, Perth W.Australia (Dons Shed and Xplor Overland)
Im in the same boat. Had my 2022 m440i for about a year and a half now and I just miss the manual so much. Im very much leaning more toward wrx TR Or golf R manual but I can't decide! driven both and gotta say the wrx was just so fun to drive, and the mk8 golf no buttons interface is clunky. Think im going wrx!
@@russsle Don't sleep on it @russsle ..... I waited too long and now all the WRX Club Spec models (of which there were only 150 released in Australia) are all now Sold Out :(
How do you get the access to rent these cars out for a week? Id like to do it too to see how i like certain cars for driving to school and work. Thanks!
I do believe the 22 WRX has great potential. Now that I see this 24 WRX TR I can see it being even better and I'm quite impressed. It looks like a joy to drive. I can't get behind the interior, that big screen is too much. Previous Gen (VA) Just looks the best and is the best out of all the Gen previous and current. No I would still take an VA Wrx STI over the VB WRX. Good video bud
I went to a 2023 S3 from this car (Premium trim). Very much worth it, though I will say in this TR trim with the brakes and the Recaro seats, this is a great proposition. Just having a tune on this new WRX gives crazy gains and really makes the car enjoyable. That new FA24 is very under tuned from the factory.
When I was looking for a car in this class, I looked at the WRX. It was nice, but I wanted something with some stronger brakes. This TR solves that problem and adds a couple other nice tweaks, but the price is getting up there. I ended up with a Jetta GLI, and while it doesn't have the AWD it was about $10k less and gets far better fuel economy.
@@tony2473 I was! I previously had a 2017 GTI Sport. I looked at the MK8 GTI also and was immediately turned off by the infotainment and touch controls everywhere. The GLI still has manual HVAC controls and physical switches (for things including sunroof, headlights). I thought I would miss the hatchback but the Jetta trunk is massive and still has the option for folding the seats down. Overall materials quality is a bit lower than the GTI I think, but that is reflected in the price too. The GLI was at least $5k less than comparably equipped GTI. The GTI is still probably the better canyon or weekend track/autocross car, but for everyday sporty driving the GLI is still great.
Does the damn thing just work on a basic level? Ive had a nightmare infotainment experience on my wrx... Constant disconnect... if lucky reconnect...then disconnect cycle.... Or just not connected... Super "fun" Specially when the dealer says there are nonissues with the unit across the stable
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Bro the spare is under the foam padding 😭😭
@@Fade_To_Gas And I'd have to ask... why?
Just got mine 2 weeks ago. Haven’t drove manual in 13years. Took me a week to get back into the flow. Although, not TR, this review helped me make my decision. Thank you!
Great review. Now imagine it with 390whp/415ft-lbs, 6700rpm redline, intake/BOV noise, 35% shorter shifts, and a tasteful growl from the Cobb exhaust. That’s what I’ve done to my ‘22 Premium and it’s a downright excellent driving experience. Total cost $31k for the new car and $4k in mods. It does 0-60 in 3.5s! Just bonkers value.
Edit 8 months later: My ‘22 WRX is at 25k miles now. I drive it like a WRX every day of the week. It hasn’t had a single issue, not even a small hiccup in performance or reliability, and there’s already people with >70k miles at this power level with zero issues. The FA24 is the truth.
now imagine the engine blow within first 6 months. subaru has no reliability. Its time to accept Subaru has left the tuner community and fully embraced the mom community.
@@Sullivan09300 mom community? idk about you but i dont know too many moms driving a stick daily driver but thats just me i guess.
It’s because the tuner community - particularly in the case of wrx owners - have shown limited restraint and added 44% more power (like this guy did). Significant power gains come with significant reliability risks
@@franky7120 lets not pretend subaru isnt pushing the CVT way harder.
@@Sullivan09300 They can push it all they want, 80% of WRX buyers get a stick.
Just picked mine up last night (upgraded from 22 premium seen in my profile). Many small differences add up to such a good experience. Cross shopped many competitors but ultimately wanted a manual AWD fun car and nothing else got me excited or offered this much livability for a family guy with 3 kids. 🍻
Congrats! Picked mine up 6 days ago... Had the dealer do the mud flaps, but my first project is the shifter, that 1st/2nd slop has got to go.
Got a premium CVT and it's amazing
my local dealership is showing 30,800 out the door NEW. MSRP 34k. prettydarn good deal.
sorry for the base.
@@yourmanzach2307jump on the deal 🤝
Just bought a premium to replace my manual Crosstrek bc I wanted a little more power and performance and I have been absolutely loving it so far. Such a good compromise for a daily driver while still being fun to drive
I’ve been contemplating about doing the same thing. How are your MPG figures on average? I drive roughly 30-35 mins to and from work.
@@mosesmusazi my crosstrek averaged 28 mpg over 15,000 miles. I’ve only had the wrx for a couple weeks but so far it’s been 27.3 mpg. Biggest difference is wrx recommends premium fuel, so that’s a big difference in fuel costs
@@azera55555 I see. Would you say it’s worth paying more for premium fuel despite having the same mpg’s as compared to a car which takes 87 octane? (Crosstrek)
@@mosesmusazi it’s not about mpg gains as to why I put premium in it. It’s more about the performance and power that the engine would put out
@@mosesmusazi additional thing to note is that the WRX's engine is rated for premium, meaning if you often use 87 you will not only experience less performance, but also threaten the longevity of the engine, might accrue unwanted repairs too if you're unlucky later down the road. if you're in a hitch, you *can* use 87 but that's if you're in an emergency
Just picked up a 23 Limited 6MT in World Rally Blue. I love it, great DD while still being a reasonably practical family hauler. Can't beat the 1.9% financing on the leftover 23's either!
Just got the same exact deal. Congrats! 🎉
@@chasestringer9619congrats to you too!
1.9% is a STEAL
Dam you are lucky bro i should have done the same lol thinking of trading my 2024 Mazda cx5 for a 2024 wrx in like 7-8 months when they have that deal on the 2024. How is the power and handling?
Your videos on the 22+wrx influenced me a lot to get one (premium trim). Thank you for your quality videos because you gave me all the info I needed to get an absolutely amazing car
have fun getting walked by everyone else on the road LOL
I'm seriously thinking if getting this car. 2024 Premium. How do you like it?
@@JoeNocella Don't, the only thing a wrx brings to the table is the awd, if you absolutely need awd and for some reason you don't pick a truck with awd then don't, the subie will burn you just like it did me, first thing you notice is how slow they are youll get beat by everyone else on the street, second is how even if you dump money on it and get it stage2+ e85 surprise surprise its still slow and you are limited in the ammount of HP you can reach because of stock internal limits, the interior sucks and its an expensive car, for the same money you could get so many other actually fast cars its not even a choice, plus there is also the probability you will mess up the engine or transmission since subaru makes them extra weak for a car they KNOW ppl are going to mod.
@@JoeNocella i love it so much. Best car I’ve had…. However, i don’t have the eyesight features, so I can’t speak to those
One year with a limited. No regrets. Intake, cat back and tune really woke the car up. SoCal to Vegas and back Ave 30mpg.
Is the screen really as sluggish as he says?? And how is the sound system? I’m looking at getting one
@@connor8558the screen can be a little laggy sometimes…the harmen karden system is good. I hear the base system is terrible though
We are 40hp and a couple lsd's away from a full blown STi and Subaru is doing everything BUT give it to us...I just don't understand it at all. It's actually maddening.
Never seen Topher make so many videos on ONE car model. Love to see this thing! Keep it up!
I love how there is a lawn mower going in the background as you pop the hood.
Just picked up a TR two weeks ago. After owning a 2022 for a year, the improvements (larger master brake cylinder, chassis stiffening, and retuned steering) are noticeable and very welcomed. While the infotainment can still be slow sometimes, it is much better than it was with the updates. Brilliant car in all aspects in my opinion.
I had a base tune from Drunkmann on the 2022 as well. This car is an absolutely different animal with JUST a conservative OTS tune like DMann's OTS. No mods needed and its just enough to really wake the car up without pushing the motor or trans far at all.
Just what I needed at the start of my workday.
One thing I like about the controversial looks, and hate for lack of STI, is that it makes the WRX underrated. I drove my friend's 23 base, and it was such a mature lovely car. It feels a bit "older" than other new cars in a good way. The powerband is so linear, I was very impressed, after driving the GR Corolla where it felt a little peaky, and jerky on and off throttle. Videos show this WRX passing the previous STI in a roll, and the engine is understressed in the VB. This car punches way above its weight, just wish it was a hatch :)
Huh they added eyesight and all the safety feature in this one, seems to be working pretty well!
I own a premium trim of one of these wrxs and I LOVE it, but at the price of the TR with no power increase is insane.
Same I have a 23 premium.. kind of the point was it was under 35k though.. for 43 the options are just wide open
@@artemlobov4239 I got mine for 30k, at 43 you’re looking at golf r territory and admittedly that’s a better buy.
I just got mine not even two weeks ago. Haven’t seen another TR in NC yet. It’s a great car. Nice review!
I got a 22 WRX premium and really want to upgrade to the TR but not sure if i can justify the cost. The upgraded interior, brakes, and subaru eyesight would be nice.
That eyesight package would be so nice to have for roadtrips
it's not, i had to turn it off, but i got it for the head up display which only displays eyesight info lol
This matters for so many reasons. Rather have a manual than an automatic. It’s more involving and fun!
I don't like how they put the huge screen in the WRX, but don't provide customization of the center differential or drive modes.
The infotainment system just kills it for me, it’s too big and “modern” In my opinion. I wanna drive a car, not a computer on wheels
One screen is that bad for you?
I test drove one and it’s not bad at all. Comparing to new cars, this is still better cuz it has some buttons. Unlike the MK8 yeah I’m talking to u VW! 😂
@@tony2473 ugly impreza dash is better?
@@tony2473i thought the same until i bought the mk8. So far it’s not bad. Def prefer buttons but it is not a deal breaker once you settle in. It doesn’t really have ghost/accident clicks like reviewers say
All cars are computers on wheels, what do you think an ECU does?
The base model lets you set one HVAC control as a shortcut. Buttons are better… but that makes it usable
Love the way this car looks inside and outside. Fun to drive too.
I’ve waiting for this. Thanks Toper.
I’m so happy they added eye sight to the manual models and that the turn signal stock actually stays down or up when you use the blinkers. Those were my biggest gripes with the new wrx.
Nice review... your review on the 22 wrx helped persuade me to buy a 23 Wrx premium. And now you're review is making me want to upgrade to the TR... lol great job on the review!
Subaru WRX Forever !! Nice video brother !!!
I got a 2023 WRX Premium that was still on the lot this weekend. They had a 2024 TR in the same exact color. I couldn't justify over $10k price difference between the two. Love the car and I think I got a pretty good deal on it. Definitely get the short throw shifter add-on.
you are such a good driver thanks for showing me how its done on my own car
Yessss. Been waiting for a 2024. Just reserved a premium!
Why did you want a 2024 versus a 2023?
@@joshpinchuk7061 my dealership didn’t have any 23s. I did ask to try to get the 1.9% promotion but they aren’t getting any soon. The 24 having eyesight was also an easier sale to my wife
@@joshpinchuk7061Has eyesight
I got my 24 premium a couple of weeks ago, coming from a lifted 2 door modded wrangler. Absolutely love this car
In michigan, I'd take this over any other entry sports sedan if i wanted a manual. If i wanted an auto id take a tlx a spec
I bought a 2024 Outback Touring XT a month ago and have a few things to note about the 11.6 Starlink display:
1) You can change the A/C button to recirculate if you want, but mine hasn't really used outside air (probably because of the heat and humidity in Central TX).
2) The screen seems to "warm up" and is usually the slowest right after startup and when i haven't opened any menus. Once CarPlay/AA are loaded, you kind of forget about it.
3) Camera quality sucks and it doesn't make much sense as to why Subaru has chosen to cheap out on it.
I got the 24 wrx limited and i cannot believe how how grip it has its so much fun
One my fav parts of your vids these days is the wrist check, still dreaming of that pelagos 39 from the Mazda video 🤤
Personally I’m having a really difficult time thinking if the GR Corolla is worth getting over a WRX TR, prices for the GR are still way too high, let alone being able to find one is still really difficult especially when compared to the TR.
i take wrx all dayover corolla GR. more practical. better interior. More linear powerplant. Seating position in the GR is also said to be way too high.
You are the first person who talked about steering, Subaru updated it but no one else noticed.
I miss my 2005 WRX. It drove like it was on rails. People might hate me but I loved the turbo lag. When you now to how to use it. I knew the exact rpm it would light up if I wanted too. It was😢 in my opinion a great sports car. I think I'd rather have the BRZ now, all though I have not driven one yet.
How reliable are these cars and are they expensive to repair compared to a Honda type R? Which year model is recommend, I want it for a daily driver. As far as the interior it's perfect for what I'm looking for.
this white wrx looks INSANE with the red STi lip. I am getting my WRX "TR" (Am canadian, it's the RS here) tomorrow actually, in Magnetic Grey or whatever the color's name. The dark grey one. Still debating on getting the red lip, it might look good too...
That sound makes me want to buy this car.
I went with new 2023 premium with upgraded sound system and moon roof for $32k rather than 2024. Subaru eyesight has several reported issues with hard braking when not needed. I dont see $12k in benefits on the TR compared to premium or base model. You can get a base 2023 for $29k right now, so $42k for a wrx seems nuts. If you have that $ then Civic type R or VG Golf seem hard to complete with. I'll def buy the brakes when they become available
for that price they should've slapped the STI 6 speed into it along with the D4S from Toyota (for fueling when tuning and no more carbon buildup), then turned up the power to at least 350hp lol
The car would've been waaaay out of the price range for most consumers. Probably looking at $50k+ MSRP.
Loved seeing that sign to Detroit. Great video.
You can tell that there’s like zero sound deadening in that car. That was my biggest complaint with my 2018 STI, driving it on the highway was not enjoyable because the road noise was so loud. I dont think there’s $43,000 worth of car here personally.
It's actually decent, significantly more than previous generations. No, it's not quiet like a Lexus or something, but better than most.
All I can think of is how hideous the infotainment system is! Why are automakers doing this?!
I gave up all hopes on VB. But then seeing this TR made me a believer again. Proper STi will come back.
Supposedly the "real" STi isn't coming back until the 2029 model year, so I hope you're down to wait.
I still think premium is the sweet spot for this generation. 43k is A LOT to ask for this car (as someone who owned a 22 limited) with the corolla gr, golf r, type r, even the new model 3 performance being available in a similar price range(if you can find at msrp, which is easier in todays market than before), but stepping down to a premium at around 33-34k is a great deal and still gets 90% of what this has.
yeah you either gotta be die hard scoobie fan with money or a sucker to get the limited trim
I love these, they whip like crazy
I have a 22 premium, yap the infotainment is not good. I noticed the TR turn signal switch stays in place where mine does not. That is annoying at times. Nit pick things, overall, I neither love it or hate it. It is a daily for me that is very practical and I appreciate it for that.
Good catch! That is one of the most annoying thing back when I had my 22 wrx prem. You just push the turn signal but it reverts back to the middle. If you are changing lanes, it can be very trick and even after a couple years owning it, I still get annoyed when I hit the wrong side to signal
Convince me the TR isn't the development mule or Subaru trying to make some R&D back from the internal STI prototypes before the company scrapped the stillborn unit deep within Subaru or STI themselves.
16:00 you might as well shift from 2 to 6 directly 😊 I feel like you sometimes shift up just for the sake of shifting.
Subbed when the watch came up lol.
I test drove the TR and i agree with you. I dont think an STI is needed. This car is still a lot of fun to drive you have the power and best of all way more affordable!! those breaks are a game changer IMO. That car is OP on the street and looks prepped for the Track.
I really don't mind the cladding on the wheel arches, but the giant plastic bumper... bleh
I saw a modded video and they wrapped it or painted it and the fugly bumper and looked amazing (better) 😂 so I get it but at least if u do that… def a fix
Great timing on the video! I’m actually about to pickup one of these cars and was curious about the eyesight system. Always get excited seeing the videos Topher!
i do really miss the wrx hatchbacks
It's just few thousands less than a GR Corolla, I am struggling between these two. TR still not a STi but a larger community than Corolla. Need advice
WRX has a larger aftermarket community and more usable backseats. If you can get past the looks of the new WRX and Tesla esque iPad in the middle of the dash, I say get the WRX.
In my opinion I’d spend the extra money and get the Corolla. Very good car. More in line with an sti. I don’t think the price is worth it for the Wrx
Get the GRC if you’re getting anything above the premium trim for the VB WRX
get base or premium and save 10k put some of it towards mods
Finally been waiting for you to try it
You can put the recirculation button on the climate dash there is an option you can select such button as the default (is still in the touchscreen but is just on the dash now)
I really wanted to like the vb wrx. I even bought one hoping it would change my mind but I sold it after 6 months because I couldn’t get over the looks and the floaty steering feel. It felt more like a family commuter car other than a fun sports car. I even color matched the cladding and lowered it on Work wheels and I still couldn’t get over the looks of the car. To each their own tho.
Whats the alternative if you want a 4 seater?
wtf you mean(4:26) exhaust fumes in the cabin?
From other cars
What is the clutch feel/engagement like? I had a 2016 MINI Hardtop S that had a soft, slow engagement clutch. It was not enjoyable to drive.
Would love to go on a long drive with the wrx manual
I've owned a 2004 STi and currently own a 2012 STi and can't believe the prices of WRX's are at STi prices. New WRX number are better? But when you discontinue the STi Suby I would have to guess feels forced to do more and bring the WRX closer to the STi. Not a fan of the plastic. Wheels are getting better though and brakes were a needed upgrade.
Agree on the info-system super sluggish as well on our 2021 Outback.
I feel as though Suby has squeezed everything out of the boxer they can and other automakers are passing them. Still iconic.
I love my 2018 but I'm warming up to these. I think they look especially good in white with high contrast OR in gunmetal grey/black when the unpainted bits match. I think the WR Blue and most other colors look weird because the contrast is in the middle.
Why does it have the older steering wheel? My 2022 Outback had that but they changed everything up in my new 2023.
I have the base. Its not going to drive any different, even with the larger wheels. Its got such a low heavy center. Eyesight is nice, but the base doesn't have blind side alert. You really don't need the harmon cardan or fog lights. Wish the base had push button start. Seat material is cheap.
You hit a pothole and youre going to bend a rim. 19" rims? Why? 17" rims are the sweet spot. Could you even go down to 17's with those brakes? Probably not. Exhaust sounds weak. 3" catless FTW.
I dont think you can use 18s on these brembos
@@JoshDillon-lm3hwI hope so. I have a set of 18 in gram lights I wanna slap on this
A car review where someone actually drives the car the way I would drive it!
@TheTopher How does this compare to the MK8 Golf R in terms of driving dynamics? does the Golf R give more feeling of rear end rotation compared to this? for driving fun would you choose this over a Golf R or vise versa?
golf R does include a drift mode....
I’m definitely trading my 2017 STI in for one of these. Hopefully this car is still available in 2 years.
what is price range for repair // maintenance parts & insurance??
Did not know you were a watch guy too! legend!!!
How would you compare the STI against the Type-R??
aren't those brakes pretty expensive? i would say if so the seats plus the brakes kinda make it worth it. plus the re sale is probably better too.
I currently have a mk8 golf r (manual) and a 2018 STI. Considering going back to one car…. How do u think the driving experience is of the TR vs the Golf R?
if you have both cars then you should know
@@langraman8756 i dont have a TR. have not driven the new VB chassis
@@YoshimiPinkRobot so you want the lower power VB WRX
I had 2 VA STI's before getting my 23' base WRX so I can give my honest opinion. The only thing I miss about the STI is the sound. I love my VB so much
Finally someone acknowledge that the CVT is just as amazing 5:45
Am I the only one that can't imagine spending more than 30k on a car.
Think you could fit 18” wheels with the size of those brakes?
Yes, I did on mine
Assuming you can get the both cars at MSRP, would you take this over a Golf R, given the pricing of the TR is so close?
After owning my WRX for a few months, this video makes me realize I drive like a grandma. 😂
This video and Savagegeese's videos on the TR have convinced me that my next car after I want to move on from my black '20 WRX w/PP will be a TR. It does a better job of blending performance, fun, comfort, and year round utility than its competitors However, $43k is just too much when you consider the MSRP of a GRC Premium, the Type R, or the Golf R. In reality, though, there's no mark ups or waiting lists with WRX's, and Subaru even takes orders. I MIGHT be able to find a GRC at MSRP, I'd be lucky to get a Type R for $5k ADM, and the Golf R is impossible to find (and the 6MT is dead in '25). I'm sure I'll be able to find a TR sitting on a lot in 2025 and get it for 10% under MSRP. That's what makes the WRX the choice among its competitors. Kept stock (or close to it), these FA series motors are reliable, and the WRX just gets the job done in all conditions. It's a car that continues to be misunderstood - it is greater than the sum of its parts.
When driving a stick and starting from a stop, go to 2nd gear first and then 1st. Sounds crazy but its shifts way easier into 1st then it does going straight into it. Good review though 👍🏽
I don't know why..... I've only owned my 2020 M340i xDrive for 15 months..... but my heart yearns for a Manual car again...... specifically a 2024 WRX Club Spec (TR with Wing), FL5 Civic Type R or GR Yaris Rallye...... tell me I'm crazy!!! or not??? If I'm not, which would YOU pick out of those? (Yes, I know I'd be "downgrading") Cheers Don, Perth W.Australia (Dons Shed and Xplor Overland)
Im in the same boat. Had my 2022 m440i for about a year and a half now and I just miss the manual so much. Im very much leaning more toward wrx TR Or golf R manual but I can't decide! driven both and gotta say the wrx was just so fun to drive, and the mk8 golf no buttons interface is clunky. Think im going wrx!
@@russsle Don't sleep on it @russsle ..... I waited too long and now all the WRX Club Spec models (of which there were only 150 released in Australia) are all now Sold Out :(
Recirc button is programmable. It's deep in the settings, you just have to find it
Iconic design cues
How do you get the access to rent these cars out for a week? Id like to do it too to see how i like certain cars for driving to school and work. Thanks!
After driving the base or premium trim, how noticeable is the Sachs dampers, brembos and steering adjustments?
How do they get it tuned to sound just like a vacuum cleaner during acceleration?
I do believe the 22 WRX has great potential. Now that I see this 24 WRX TR I can see it being even better and I'm quite impressed. It looks like a joy to drive. I can't get behind the interior, that big screen is too much. Previous Gen (VA) Just looks the best and is the best out of all the Gen previous and current. No I would still take an VA Wrx STI over the VB WRX. Good video bud
Audi S3, even if lightly used, is what I’m stuck-on. I think it beats this thing pound-for-pound, and is worth the additional expense.
I went to a 2023 S3 from this car (Premium trim). Very much worth it, though I will say in this TR trim with the brakes and the Recaro seats, this is a great proposition.
Just having a tune on this new WRX gives crazy gains and really makes the car enjoyable. That new FA24 is very under tuned from the factory.
How do you get the boost display this big and speed digital, I got a 2024 wrx but in the pic of a wrx in a lane
So much better looking than the Elantra N. I’d get the Premium but the TR is a great trim. Just too expensive.
If there was a wagon option, that would be fantastic. Pretty sure there are wagons in other markets.
They call it wrx wagon or levorg.
When I was looking for a car in this class, I looked at the WRX. It was nice, but I wanted something with some stronger brakes. This TR solves that problem and adds a couple other nice tweaks, but the price is getting up there. I ended up with a Jetta GLI, and while it doesn't have the AWD it was about $10k less and gets far better fuel economy.
Not a GTI fan? I’m asking cuz I can’t decide if I go back to VW… GLI or GTI 😢
@@tony2473 I was! I previously had a 2017 GTI Sport. I looked at the MK8 GTI also and was immediately turned off by the infotainment and touch controls everywhere. The GLI still has manual HVAC controls and physical switches (for things including sunroof, headlights). I thought I would miss the hatchback but the Jetta trunk is massive and still has the option for folding the seats down. Overall materials quality is a bit lower than the GTI I think, but that is reflected in the price too. The GLI was at least $5k less than comparably equipped GTI. The GTI is still probably the better canyon or weekend track/autocross car, but for everyday sporty driving the GLI is still great.
@@tony2473 GTI Clubsport
I wish they would add auto rev matching .. make it a feature that can be turned on and off but I would take auto rev matching over hill assist
Does the damn thing just work on a basic level?
Ive had a nightmare infotainment experience on my wrx...
Constant disconnect... if lucky reconnect...then disconnect cycle....
Or just not connected...
Super "fun"
Specially when the dealer says there are nonissues with the unit across the stable
nice watch. nice S car! So they have the longevity of the Toyotas?
Always hated what subaru did to the front windows. That little glass piece bugs me, instead of the whole window moving.