Pakman reminds me of that guy in high school who had read Howard Zinn and went around spouting the “facts” he had read but had no idea to think for himself.
Lol Pakman: "Just make your own platform." *Creates Platform. It gets banned from Apple & Google app stores* "Just make your own app platform." *Creates Platform. It gets banned from crowd-funding services.* "Just make your own crowd-funding platform." *Creates Platform. It gets banned from payment processing services.* "Just create your own payment processing platform." *Creates Platform. Banks refuse to accept the transactions.* We're at this stage now David. Are you going to tell people to build their own banks? At what point short of an entire country's worth of infrastructure are you willing to admit that this is censorship!?
I always wrote off the "Flat earth conspiracy" as crazy without looking at it. And then I gave it a chance. And I still think its crazy. And that's how things should go.
One of the problems with removing videos like that Dr. Eriksen one which has flaws in it is that any critique of the video, eg. Brett/Heather Weinstein's, loses its context which means the flaws never get exposed. Censorship doesn't just stop bad or flawed ideas it stops good rebuttals. Basically it erases the chance of people/society to learn and improve their/its reasoning skills. It's no coincidence that censorship-heavy countries lose their creativity and ingenuity.
That’s how science works. New information can and should invalidate earlier information if it’s proven to be accurate. RUclips isn’t perfect, but they’ll eventually catch up to the new information.
They said that it is more likely to be spread person to person. Research proves that the virus can live on cardboard for 24 hours, copper for 4 hours etc.
nagoL no, science isn’t speaking out of your ass. It’s based on empirical evidence and the WHO and CDC have been equating Hypotheses to peer reviewed research. Opinions from top scientists are still opinions until backed by science. You can mock televangelists but blindly believing a person without peer reviewed data is the cult of the blind.
You’re misunderstanding the situation because it’s more complex and nuanced than Masks are 100% / Masks are useless. It’s not binary. All the information is balanced out. Safe to go out, doesn’t mean it’s 100% safe. They never said surfaces were a way the virus spreads easily. And they're not saying it can't be spread that way at all now. They said before it can spread on surfaces. And now theyre saying it doesn't spread easily on surfaces, as we've learned more.
Expired- welcome to this topic! It's been talked about, on the right, for decades. Listen to talk radio, watch Fox news, read the Wall Street Journal. Those are a few examples. The ways in which the Left stamps down free thought is frightening!!
So my question for those who are pro-social media censorship: you think it is a good idea to give multi-national, billion dollar corporations the power to dictate what is seen and heard and what isn't? How is that better than government control? These corporations are more powerful than most of the countries in the world. How is not an obviously bad idea....
@@jordanfrancis129 i don't need to reread. They aren't a country and shouldn't be treated like one. I find it hilarious that it's the freedom lovers like rogan and his fanbase that are the first ones to suck govt teet to protect them when the big bad corporations do something that doesn't benefit them.
I was in a FB group that talks about JRE. The admin made a post claiming censorship doesn’t happen on social media and even if it does it’s not a problem. All the replies claimed that censorship os real. So what did the admin do? He censored the replies and banned us from the group. The absolute irony is that he proved himself wrong by doing so.
Unreal. And they're blind to the irony. Reminds me of the "OUR DEMOCRACY" people and then they try to remove Trump from being on the ballot to be DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED.
Yeah, he's a complete partisan hatchet man, who broadcasts his power fantasies as if he were perfectly right about everything and so he should be in charge. If he ever got near power, he would be very, very dangerous.
@@claytonmidgett7997 You didn't watch the video and don't even know what video it is then label it "plandemic" anyway. It was a Computing Forever video with a doctor that has been published and received rewards for her work. It was dealing with Hydroxochloroquin and Zinc treatment that, does not cure, but it linked to positive effects of Corona patients and is u undergoing further testing. This is still in the testing stage and Facebook and RUclips pulled it after an activist at Business Insider openly took credit to mass reporting and even tried getting a quote from the video's creator to misquote for his hit piece he published within 24 hours of the takedown. Do you see an issue with a person posing as a journalist, actively censoring a video to create their own story, where they then misreported on? Do you support that type of corruption?
It needed to be had a long time before this. This will achieve nothing at this point. If anything it explains why he's leaving. RUclips is Google. It couldn't give a fuck. We've checked box our freedoms away slowly.
Problem is when you have a whole group of people saying that I can be born a man with a penis, choose to be a woman the next hour, then choose to be a man the next hour, and then choose to be a f****** deer an hour after that, one side of this equation has gotten completely away from any sense of Truth.
It's funny how if u search Joe Rogan David Pakman on RUclips all the results u get are from David's channel and u have to scroll way down to find JR videos even though obviously JR is waaay more popular and has more subscribers and views
Exactly. This is why I think our political polarization is bad for thought. People who share some ideas with the left or the right are pressured to share all their ideas for fear of being attacked for their opinions.
RUclips recently removed a video with more than 1M views in 2 days on UFOs with crowd sourced videos from channel named PRAVEEN MOHAN. Its crazy how they do it...
The planned parenthood videos mentioned at 17:14 were not “dramatically dishonest.” All succeeding claims and allegations were proven during their investigation. The people who made those videos got in trouble for “trespassing” and filming without mutual consent. Hundreds of hours of raw footage were posted along with the edited ones. Check it out for yourselves.
He's not going to war with RUclips he is just saying that it isn't fair that someone sits there and decides who can post a video or not. He just wants it to be fair across the board.
I remember when RUclips literally had two pages of videos. I watched every video on RUclips one afternoon. I uploaded a video to RUclips before there was a million videos on RUclips. I hate RUclips now, if something comes along tomorrow that's even close to the original RUclips, I will walk away from RUclips and never look back.
You can't find sht on RUclips these days.You can't even find by the typing the name of the channel you are looking for if the channel is "controversial".I literally had to copy link a video from my browser to find it on youtube.
Google got big because it just seemed to know what you were looking for. You would type "that bald guy with a large podcast" and you'd find Joe Rogan. That exceptional technical quality has made them really good at hiding things, so now even if you search something like Steven Crowder change my mind you might not find it.
B I T C H U T E It's growing in popularity and most youtubers use it as a mirror, with some making exclusive videos there. All it really needs is a theater mode, live streaming (coming soon), and more bigger youtubers to make it their primary platform.
So frustrating and glad Joe called the guest on his use of the term "disinformation" - who gets to make that judgment? We do not need nanny's deciding what we can see/read.
op - joe didnt do anything like you described here. joe clearly felt there was such a thing as disinformation, but made it clear that those doctors werent cases of it. again, leagues from what you wrote about here.
david parkman is a liar. i used to watched his podcast regularly but than he started going left and saying censoring is a great thing 🤦🏽♂️ he disappointed me significantly
He's very hard to even watch. He's knowingly and intentionally dishonest. plus if his eyes were any closer they be touching which makes it hard to look at him anyways.
8:20 So he's making the argument that that Conservatives want a regulation against infringement against their rights, but don't want regulations that infringe on their rights. And he is calling that hypocritical. Talk about cyclical leftist logic.
No, he’s making the argument that it’s hypocritical of conservatives when they say baker’s ought to be able to decide who they will and will not make a wedding cake for, but then demand that the government force Twitter/RUclips/Facebook to accept any and all content.
28:26 You do have a right to speak at a school if it’s a public school and you’re invited by a student. That’s why instead of trying to ban them, they’ve shifted to charging the speaker outrageous fees for “security” in order to prevent them from speaking.
Joe: Taking videos down, with different views, is a bad idea RUclips: We must censor our biggest podcaster so he doesn't say stuff like that again **Joe flashes new $100 mill contract with Spotify** RUclips: What have we done...
@@MrTeeAye If you build your career as a youtuber and then from one day to the next get demonetized, that's almost as good as censorship. Direct censorship would be you saying something that YT finds politically incorrect. Something about transgenders come to mind as a reason for YT censorship in the past. YT has a preference when it comes to videos they promote. Go to any independent news show on YT and check out the "next up" recommended video. They aren't from that channel, they're always from Fox, CNN, MSNBC or the like. Just did a video about it on my channel :)
cashh_fetishh Defiantly! But now it just seems different because there’s absolute no fucks given now. Before young Jamie would maybe stop him or joe would stop himself on certain things, videos and audio being played or said. It could be just me 🤷🏻♂️😂
Liking for your fat Sal pic. Considering the many mutual friends, I am really surprised none of the Jokers have ever been invited on the JRE, particularly Sal and Quinn.
Spotify will be there soon enough. They're in the early days of what youtube was. Once they get enough investors and advertisers they'll be beholden to the same market forces.
@@yakojjy not necessarily. Spotify's revenue is like 80% from subscribers where RUclips is almost entirely advertisements. They can afford to be more customer focused where RUclips has to adhere to the advertising company's/narrative. Plus spotify isn't a US based company (Swedish I think?) and news coverage in the European countries is held to a different and higher standard than in the US.
it s not though. It s just impossible to draw a clear line and the who wantsa to be in in charge is probably the wrong person :-) ... not censoring is the best solution we have.
@@thetruthfromthefuture Right out of the gate, in May 2020 a RUclipsr (Peal Prosperity) identified, through a scientific paper, that Covid came from lab. I knew it then and watched the Narrative lie consistently from there. Once you see, you can't unsee.
Has Joe or anybody mentioned the fact that the J&J vaccine that the FDA and media kept saying is totally safe and effective has been discontinued and the FDA says to take another vaccine instead because it's actually more harmful than they originally thought? I think that's something important to talk about.
The earths isn't hollow!!!??? Then why are they so many manholes covers?Tell me people "Why"@!!!!! And yes there aliens under them you can hear them hissing and splashing.
Wow! Your smart aren’t you? Yes he is literally a Progressive Democrat and has always argued for Progressive Policies. Jesus Christ what do you say when you see Charlie Kirk or Dave Rubin on a podcast?
@@jasoneves140 I think you can be a progressive and still be able to find fault with the DNC, i think what James is saying is that David is a sock puppet. Now what hole does the hand go up?
@@jablamo Nope. That's not what I said. It's called respect. If you watch enough Podcasts you'll see there are unwritten rules. Besides Joe Rogan never claimed to be perfect or even a professional at conversating.....but he must be pretty good at it.
David Pakman looks like a guy from the 90's working at Blockbuster Video who really wants you to rent some indie movie you never heard of because he yearns to make any social contact where he's got some knowledge to share with you.
ralphy 36 Spotify has been gaining insane momentum. Since they’ve been slowly implementing videos to their platform, they will absolutely become a top competitor of YTs. When Joe leaves, I guarantee there will be other creators who will follow out of principle & bc of just being tired of YT not giving a crap about its creators. Spotify is the #1 music & podcast streaming platform in the WORLD now & since they’ve been adding video? Give them 5 more years. RUclips has been a sinking ship since 2016. Maybe you don’t realize just how bad demonetization & censorship has become here, along w/the implementation of a completely r3tarded ToS, which is why truckloads of creators are uploading to other platforms, with some leaving permanently. I’ve learned to never say never. YT is without a doubt on the decline & will eventually become a platform that’s 90% celebrities, late night talk shows & makeup artists. The writing has been on the wall. They’ve been trying to chase out regular creators for awhile now since they want the whole pie of hosting network & cable tv shows. Give it time. The ‘You’ in RUclips has BEEN LONG dead & once they make their final transition into just another hosting service for Hollywood, audiences will leave en masse since the vast majority of us DO NOT come here for celebrities. We come here for regular people, with Rogan being the only exception (for me anyway), bc I don’t watch anyone else who could be deemed as a celebrity.
17:30 .. Wowww. -David Pakman makes an assertion about why he doesn’t trust Project Veritas -He cites “something that happened years ago”. -When mildly questioned about that alleged incident, he provides no factual information to back up why he feels the way he does. I wish Joe would have pressed him harder on that.. bc that interaction is this interview’s Bari Weiss “Assad toady” moment.
If Joe was doing that than he would have invited Covid 19 doctors that are questioning the narrative instead of bending the knee. Joe has the power to blow this wide open but he's been avoiding it.
How about NO ONE determines or censors what they believe we need to believe or think, or who to vote for, what the hell happened to the belief of free thought and healthy debate?!
@Noah Minteer packman has no arguments? compared to ben "my wife is a doctor and also i talk really fast at college kids" shapiro. THAT ben? the ben that huffed and puffed when a conservative asked him tough questions, who he then accused of being a leftist? THAT ben?
03:30 directly contradicts you. The videos Pakman wants banned were right about children. Funny how both he and Joe agree that we shouldn't be concerned about child-protection in case someone gets protective over actual children.
@@shiftgood still illogical stance. Its when right wing people say if you don't like America just leave... Isn't that ignorant and bizarre? There's no point to alienating anyone, or censoring anyone. We could just accept people are different and that's ok?
@@shiftgood there is vimeo and dailymotion, but they don't pay and that is the reason people dont move to those platforms. It's all about the money, and I wish people would be honest about that
@@shiftgood no it's not. The same people who put pressure on to kick you off RUclips also pressure banks and money processors. Hint they are the same ethnicity as David pakman and Susan wojciki and they also own the payment processor companies, and banks. Look into PayPal and how they kick people off as well as stripe.
@@andybaldman well one example is how he told Joe that he agreed with him on freedom of expression, then proceeded to defend censorship. Pretty obvious wouldn't you say? I love people that ask their cute little "gotcha" questions....
@@sled_dog_gaming3566 One can be in favor of free speech while also believing that death threats, slander, libel, defamation, and incitement ought be regulated. Also... David makes clear that he believes social media censorship is a problem, he just correctly believes that social media platforms are private companies, therefore their users are subject to their ToS, no matter how ad hoc they may be. David has proposed a solution... he believes that social media platforms could be regulated as public utilities.
@@ScorpionXII Funny, that's one of the right wing solutions to solving censorship. Aren't they kind of already regulated as a public utility in the sense that they are seen as a publisher and not a platform, which removes them from legal actions? The other solution would be to have them classified as publishers, so they would be subjected to libel and defamation laws they are currently protected from. That would destroy them.
@@trailersfromhell2539 No... abolishing aspects of private enterprise to ensure social justice is by definition a left wing proposition. The right wing position throughout history on issues like this is... the gay wedding cake argument; which is that Twitter is a private company, therefore they have the right to deny service to those with differing beliefs.
Alex Jones: “Joe s going to war against RUclips censorship” Tim pool: “Joe called me it’s fake news” , 24 hours later Joe debates DP on RUclips censorship haha
Joe is just trying to save his ass till he officially makes the move over to Spotify. He wouldn’t go out of his way to allow Alex to report on joe leaving RUclips because of censorship if he actually wasn’t taking a stance to fight this. And he hasn’t stopped talking about tech censorship since this happened... coincidence?
Project Veritas literally just lies and scams organizations and people for a living to try and make liberals look bad. That is all they do, and nothing they do is remotely honest. Look them up on Google.
Nathan Resick you are totally off here. Veritas videos use a practice that used to be common in journalism. Shining a light on what is actually happening behind the scenes. Capturing people’s words and actions in live videos. No way to deny it. Plus the 8+ year old law suit Pakman mentioned wasn’t even deceptive, PParenthood was just able to sue them due to a technicality because the undercover video was in a state where there was limitations on what could be shot without consent if it wasn’t in a public place, etc. Even that deflection was BS.... and notice he completely changed the subject after. Lastly, shame on him for purposely not watching the Veritas videos. It is part of your profession and you are putting your head in the sand. Stop being an NPC, open your eyes and if you don’t like the Veritas video or can fault it afterwards then debate it then. What a beta, out of touch, bubble boy.
Nathan Resick - they’re not liars. They DO lop-sided work, exposing people only on the left. That’s the major problem, that they don’t expose people on the right. If they did equal coverage on both sides, they would be much harder to dismiss. Right wingers give a knee jerk response “Veritas has no agenda the left is just that corrupt.” Please, the right has its problems. The fact that project Veritas ignores the right is the real killer of their credibility. But not “lies”, they expose people through raw footage. It’s not wise to label Veritas as liars. Much better to say they’re lopsided activists using raw footage for political change rather than practicing pure philosophical truth & honesty for its own sake
@@SuperParkerBrothers but he is never willing to concede to a point even if it logically and practically makes sense from certain perspectives. Sometimes some topics are just in the grey area. He only ever argues for his points or beliefs instead of discussing why and how people do or think about something
@@SuperParkerBrothers Not even close. Pakman is the Steven crowder of the left. He's TYT delusional. Kyle Kulinski or Jimmy Dore are rational and comprehensive. Pakman is a left wing hack.
I tried giving Pakman a chance and I'll continue watching some of his shows but man he really is a second rate "journalist/podcaster". He never has an interesting take and he is always in line with the democratic talking points. He is not intellectually honest and doesn't even seem well read on the points he argues. His show is mostly pushing the same old divisive political nonsense all while he acts self righteously. He tries to come off like he is so reasonable and well thought out, but his thinking lacks depth. He has 1.4m subscribers but gets 10-30k views a video on average?? Seems like BS. A family member mentioned on thanksgiving that they stay informed by watching different political perspectives, so I had to check this out, but unfortunately Pakman is as far left as they come.
A small bakery has no right to refuse service to someone for ideological reasons, but a multi-billion dollar company can gag hundreds of thousands of people because it's their right!
@@jcdenton8294 Works the other way around too. Do you think a bakery has the right to serve who they wish? and if so, how do you justify youtube not being allowed to do the same?
I turned this off after 3:15 when Pakman started suggesting that listening to qualified medical people about herd immunity, etc was harmful and can see why they'd be censored. I don't need to hear more after that.
That’s not what he was suggesting. He was commenting on the misinformation that quarantines could be harmful to your immune system , and how that is dangerous because of flat earther types of people
joe is arguing for less censorship and it's the reason cited for his move to spotify while the pakman guy just does his best to rationalise the lefts approach to every single issue.
Sorry I meant pakman not Rogan. Obviously Rogan isn't for censorship based on this video. Sorry for being confusing I was smoking some BOMB wax. Cheers boys
@@braveheart4603 The reason he just said he is leaving in this video was because it was a good deal. He did say that he didn't like the censorship on the platform but he specifically said that he was not going to war with anyone or anything so this game of telephone is getting messed up already lol not trying to argue with you just saying that what you are saying is officially incorrect. Also Joe or his guest mentioned that the government is in control or responsible for freedom of speech or rights but I just want to add that's also not even close to being true as the rights are bestowed onto us BY GOD . No one can Amend them or deny any legal us citizens those rights even at the highest offices of government.
@Duffy Duff He is...but he really isnt. If he really was arguing against it, there wouldnt be so many "if's" or "who's". Its simple...allow for regulation on direct threats or doxxing if you want, but everything else goes. Profit & corporations do not matter when it comes to the FIRST amendment. Joe is still playing both sides here...like he does on almost everything.
right wing headlines: conservative DESTROYS liberal left wing headlines: senator blasts other senator hm. which is more imflammatory? Rogan is being willfully ignorant for saying left wing insults are worse than right wing ones
I wonder how many people follow Joe Rogan‘s advice on Covid vaccinations and how it worked out for them? I remember a couple of years ago a guy that was a respiratory therapist at Doctors hospital in Miami Florida said that the hospital was full of unvaccinated people…… he said that there were people who were vaccinated that were admitted into the ER, but they were not put in critical care. They were a lot less sicker, and their hospitalizations were much shorter…… I kept waiting for them to have that conversation
He’s such a weasel in every way. Joe: Valid Point David: Yeah but the person who said that is bad. Joe: Another valid point. David: Yeah but the person who said that is a hypocrite. Never addresses the point. Just shifts the framing.
Im so glad I visited the comments section of this video. I gave this shit bird a chance after hearing he was reasonable but he is just another sissy that cant handle challenged.
I found no such exchange in this video. David Pakman's overall position is correct; tech companies have an establishment bias, not much of a political bias. Establishment media like FOX News and CNN get propped up, while independent media get buried. David is also correct that the disproportionate censorship of conservatism on most platforms is due to conservatism's incompatibility with any sort of moderation; for example... if Twitter for whatever reason decides to ban 5G conspiracy content, 90% of the people effected by this ban will be conservatives. Now you can disagree with their decision to ban 5G conspiracy content, but the point here is... there's no actual way to ban 5G nuts that will result in an equal distribution of of bans between left and right, therefore Twitter is given two choices... no moderate at all, or moderate in such a way that disproportionately effects conservatives.
You do realize that the US constitutional right to free speech is about Government Censoring your speech. I didn't realize RUclips was your government body.
@Donald Trump whomever owns the church(that's private property no different from the home you live in) can kick you out, but many priest would be more then willing to debate you on your beliefs. Find me a single church with as many members as youtube or twitter and you might have a point, but as of now the two simply don't compare.
@Donald Trump Even if your just an edgelord the priest/pastors of most churches can be very tolerant and would welcome anyone into their community for the betterment of themselves, religions not ALL bad, but there is bad in everything.
Conservatives: Liberals go make your own country if you hate America Also Conservatives : WTF you mean make my own twitter!? No, look at the logistics, its impossible.
@@meh6346 Pretty sure nobody tells people to go "make their own" country dude; theres like 200 countries out there that they can go to if they don't like it here, why do you think immigrants come to America? They didn't like their country enough to stay, Americans can do the same. RUclips and Twitter claim to be, and morally should be, completely neutral platforms that allow anything that is not outright harmful (threats, obscene nudity/violence etc). Liberals are supposed to be tolerant and allowing of all viewpoints, and yet they are constantly the ones trying to censor and remove opposing ideas.
estevenj Electric water cable Internet social media Companies should all be on the same level If the people working at the electric company are conservative they shouldn’t be allowed and they don’t shut off the electric to Liberal peoples houses it should work the same for social media
Kyle Crocker Social Media is a business on the Internet. You can start a social media platform on the Internet for free in a day. Just because RUclips has the most customers doesn’t make it a public utility. You can’t start a power company by yourself...probably ever. But you can spin up a blog and podcast with a payment portal in six hours on free WiFi at Starbucks.
@@estevenj just because they can doesn't mean they should. Nestle's a private company so I guess it's A-OK that they're putting impoverished African babies on formula to make their mothers stop producing milk and grow a reliance on their products. Shitty business practices should be called out, and if they harm the public, or democracy, then I have no objection to government interference in the matter.
It's double talk. No real agreement or disagreement, and it's just easier for him to move forward and it's the listener's job to figure out where the fuck this guy stands.
Harry Lord So? Being a racist is for losers who’s only achievement in life is being born a certain color. If your only argument against David Parkman is that he is Jewish, you got nothing. You’re not smart enough to actually refute him when he is wrong. (Which he is)
@Zardoz I kind of a remember a right wing president suggesting we inject disinfectant into people to cure coronavirus. I think you should try that method. Your gene pool won't be missed. Inbred.
Joe is moving to Spotify because they promised him longer headphone cables.
The short cable is driving me crazy ... I must have OCD or something.
😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That was funny..... yesterday. Haha
He could probably buy a headphone cord company with the 100 million dollars they are paying him
Social media censorship... Like the type that's pushing Rogan to move his podcast to Spotify?
Yup, RUclips has recently been censoring many of the things he’s been talking about
Joe “the left has gone crazy but I’m voting democrat anyway” rogan.
Obligatory "Dude, I see you everywere!"
Sure it's not the 100 million dollars?
strategery101 joe complains about high taxes in California meanwhile he’s voting for Bernie
Spotify promised him a longer headphone cord, and Jamie is gonna have his own Jamie.
Joe: Jamie pull that up
Jamie: Baby Jamie pull that up
Baby Jamie: k
I just assumed that RUclips has begun regulating the length of headphone cords; presently, a kangaroo arm's length appears to be ...
@@royalzak2670 spotify is make his clone now lol
jimmynickelz Art of War, bitches.
lol 😆 gold bro! respect 😁
actually,
Jamies new Jamie , comes with its own old Brian.
Pakman reminds me of that guy in high school who had read Howard Zinn and went around spouting the “facts” he had read but had no idea to think for himself.
Lol Pakman:
"Just make your own platform."
*Creates Platform. It gets banned from Apple & Google app stores*
"Just make your own app platform."
*Creates Platform. It gets banned from crowd-funding services.*
"Just make your own crowd-funding platform."
*Creates Platform. It gets banned from payment processing services.*
"Just create your own payment processing platform."
*Creates Platform. Banks refuse to accept the transactions.*
We're at this stage now David. Are you going to tell people to build their own banks? At what point short of an entire country's worth of infrastructure are you willing to admit that this is censorship!?
This is literally bitcoin, your own bank friend
Crypto currency and decentralized finance will bring that freedom
Pretty simple. David likes the brand of censorship, so he downplays it. Period, end of story.
@@mantheory6432 there still is a power structure in bitcoin. So it can be man-ipulated.
@@therealpotheadmedia true but at least (on-chain) bitcoin manipulation is available for all to see.
I always wrote off the "Flat earth conspiracy" as crazy without looking at it. And then I gave it a chance. And I still think its crazy. And that's how things should go.
I was ready to read a Flat Earth testimony after “ I gave it a chance” lol
Hit the hammer right on the head or in Joe Bidens wise words "you know.. That thing" 🤙
Hahaha I thought this was going to go the other way.
This.
Look guts, I actually believe the Flat-earthers...I believe they are Crazy.
One of the problems with removing videos like that Dr. Eriksen one which has flaws in it is that any critique of the video, eg. Brett/Heather Weinstein's, loses its context which means the flaws never get exposed. Censorship doesn't just stop bad or flawed ideas it stops good rebuttals. Basically it erases the chance of people/society to learn and improve their/its reasoning skills.
It's no coincidence that censorship-heavy countries lose their creativity and ingenuity.
Well said.
Well put! Never thought of it like that
Does that make China a big fat anomaly?
Yes - if you can control the ‘Production of Knowledge’ then you control the people and can determine their destiny..
RaveSault China steal all its creations - they have their foot in every knowledge production system in the west.
David Pakman reminds me of that hall monitor beta from high school who loved getting kids in trouble
He is definitely beta….not alpha at all
So true!! 😂
@@khristionlouvatin6874he reminds me of the Ben Shapiro of the left
100%
This is why Joe Rogan is leaving RUclips
Yeah at first I thought his new deal was ridiculous, but this video opened my eyes to his motivation. Takes balls.
@@reinforcedpenisstem Lol it actually took 100 million, also they will be able to play videos on screen on Spotify and not get a copyright
Nothing to do with the £100m then 😂
OkLow Spotify is worse than RUclips for censorship. There all big tech
OkLow 100 million dollars.
The CDC changed their tune on surface transmission. If a video pointed that out a week ago, RUclips would remove it.
That’s how science works. New information can and should invalidate earlier information if it’s proven to be accurate. RUclips isn’t perfect, but they’ll eventually catch up to the new information.
They said that it is more likely to be spread person to person. Research proves that the virus can live on cardboard for 24 hours, copper for 4 hours etc.
nagoL no, science isn’t speaking out of your ass. It’s based on empirical evidence and the WHO and CDC have been equating Hypotheses to peer reviewed research. Opinions from top scientists are still opinions until backed by science. You can mock televangelists but blindly believing a person without peer reviewed data is the cult of the blind.
You’re misunderstanding the situation because it’s more complex and nuanced than Masks are 100% / Masks are useless. It’s not binary. All the information is balanced out. Safe to go out, doesn’t mean it’s 100% safe. They never said surfaces were a way the virus spreads easily. And they're not saying it can't be spread that way at all now. They said before it can spread on surfaces. And now theyre saying it doesn't spread easily on surfaces, as we've learned more.
The CDC is not the WHO so youtube might still remove it.
"THERE NEEDS TO BE A CONVERSATION" Why is the kickboxing comedian the only one saying this? The general public should be shouting it.
I agree with you but the general public is far too stupid. Give them a spectacle and they will forget everything and cheer you for it.
He doesn't kickbox. it's taekwondo & jiu jitsu
Expired- welcome to this topic! It's been talked about, on the right, for decades. Listen to talk radio, watch Fox news, read the Wall Street Journal. Those are a few examples. The ways in which the Left stamps down free thought is frightening!!
Red Pilled people talk about all the time
@@ug8903 "Red pilled people" Not cringey at all.
The moment David Packman realizes he’s defending the actions of the social media companies and not analyzing them.
he was always a 100% progressive shill
He’s suddenly a free market capitalist and anti-regulation when it comes to leftist controlled social media platforms.
That's pakman
So my question for those who are pro-social media censorship: you think it is a good idea to give multi-national, billion dollar corporations the power to dictate what is seen and heard and what isn't? How is that better than government control? These corporations are more powerful than most of the countries in the world. How is not an obviously bad idea....
They are powerful because the people we elect are for sale.
RUclips isn't a country.
@@agreenone03 ... reread bro you're tripping 😂😂
"BUT BUT BUT MUH PRIVATE CUMPAHKNEE!!1!"
@@jordanfrancis129 i don't need to reread. They aren't a country and shouldn't be treated like one. I find it hilarious that it's the freedom lovers like rogan and his fanbase that are the first ones to suck govt teet to protect them when the big bad corporations do something that doesn't benefit them.
There's a guy from Spotify pulling Joe's headphones off screen
No the wire is stuck under the $100 million cash pile
bruh he is 100 million richer he should have had some better headphones LMAO
HAHAHA I THOUGHT THE SAME THING.. I SAID SOMEONE IS TRYING TO TELL JOE TO STOP SAYING SMART THINGS HAHA GOOD EYES
Jibran Khan Tareen after taxes worst case he’s 50 million richer but 100 million sounds a whole lot nicer
Brian Keogh he got 200 mill actually so he did get 100 mill after taxes
Current Stress Level: Joe Rogan’s Headphone Cable
Spotify announcement... Jamie's fired...no on ee's around to keep joe life in order.
Jamie is holding the other end
Underrated comment Hahaha
Lol
That's all I can look at right now
I was in a FB group that talks about JRE. The admin made a post claiming censorship doesn’t happen on social media and even if it does it’s not a problem. All the replies claimed that censorship os real. So what did the admin do? He censored the replies and banned us from the group. The absolute irony is that he proved himself wrong by doing so.
CIA prob runs that group, in the way Russia owned an entire category of groups (i think a pres candidate)
Unreal. And they're blind to the irony.
Reminds me of the "OUR DEMOCRACY" people and then they try to remove Trump from being on the ballot to be DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED.
For you he proved himself wrong...
For himself, he still won...
@@nyChannel09he never won
Packman really tried to legiitmize them pulling the Doctors video, Jesus, what a hack.
Are you talking about 'Plandemic'? I can't figure out which video of "doctors" we're talking about here. The Plandemic video was laughably fake news.
Yeah, he's a complete partisan hatchet man, who broadcasts his power fantasies as if he were perfectly right about everything and so he should be in charge. If he ever got near power, he would be very, very dangerous.
I don't think you know what 'devils advocate' means.
@@claytonmidgett7997 You didn't watch the video and don't even know what video it is then label it "plandemic" anyway. It was a Computing Forever video with a doctor that has been published and received rewards for her work. It was dealing with Hydroxochloroquin and Zinc treatment that, does not cure, but it linked to positive effects of Corona patients and is u undergoing further testing. This is still in the testing stage and Facebook and RUclips pulled it after an activist at Business Insider openly took credit to mass reporting and even tried getting a quote from the video's creator to misquote for his hit piece he published within 24 hours of the takedown. Do you see an issue with a person posing as a journalist, actively censoring a video to create their own story, where they then misreported on? Do you support that type of corruption?
He's a joke.
This conversation needs to be had! Joe Rogan leading the charge.
Nicholas Allan The simple thing to do would just be bring back the fairness doctrine. If you don’t know what the fairness doctrine is just look it up.
Here we go bunch of Joe Rogan nut hangers
ZACHARY FEILBACH why you even here?
ZACHARY FEILBACH you must be his foreskin then ? Discarded at birth 🤷🏻♂️
It needed to be had a long time before this. This will achieve nothing at this point. If anything it explains why he's leaving. RUclips is Google. It couldn't give a fuck. We've checked box our freedoms away slowly.
We don’t need to find who’s right, we need to find the truth
The truth is being censored because it dissents the narrative that social media pushex
Preech Mcott
Problem is when you have a whole group of people saying that I can be born a man with a penis, choose to be a woman the next hour, then choose to be a man the next hour, and then choose to be a f****** deer an hour after that, one side of this equation has gotten completely away from any sense of Truth.
if u want truth, u cant censore..because u only be expose by one side, insted of seing both sides and make up your mind which one is giving truth.
@@REG3305
The consequences of that on your life are nil. So stop having an opinion about it.
It's funny how if u search Joe Rogan David Pakman on RUclips all the results u get are from David's channel and u have to scroll way down to find JR videos even though obviously JR is waaay more popular and has more subscribers and views
What
I actually got the complete opposite and had to scroll through a list of jre clips videos before I saw Pakmans uploads. Weird
@@Loutliquor liar
If you are “always” in agreement with one side or the other, then you need to re-evaluate how much of your thinking is your own.
Exactly. This is why I think our political polarization is bad for thought. People who share some ideas with the left or the right are pressured to share all their ideas for fear of being attacked for their opinions.
Op kink
Liberty Or Death I job no koi oil I look i I oio o juju juju in up for me h
Then you are Joe Rogan.
David spoke against muslims tho:)
“Political correctness is just fascism disguised as politeness”-George Carlin
Why do people like you like to call j3wish leftists "fascist"?
David Ryan you prefer nazism too political correctness? Lol
RUclips recently removed a video with more than 1M views in 2 days on UFOs with crowd sourced videos from channel named PRAVEEN MOHAN. Its crazy how they do it...
oh! your busted!
@@mosheenslavethefilthygoyim983 because 9 out of 10 time's it's true. If you can't figure that out then you're in for a long haul.
- Moves to Texas to escape California's policies
- Vote for the same exact policies in Taxes or any red states
Here in South Texas, most are very similar to Cali but they don't vote. I like Texas as a red state but I'd like it more with marijuana legalization.
While all the Greenie Weenies and leftist move out of California conservatives are going to move back and take back there state..
He's gunna move to a liberal city, not some backwards ass city
Like Colorado
Joe's not moving to Texas. Celebs aren't flying to Texas to do the show.
The planned parenthood videos mentioned at 17:14 were not “dramatically dishonest.” All succeeding claims and allegations were proven during their investigation. The people who made those videos got in trouble for “trespassing” and filming without mutual consent. Hundreds of hours of raw footage were posted along with the edited ones. Check it out for yourselves.
Rogan totally going to war with RUclips as he tells us he’s NOT going to war with RUclips 😂😂😂
He’s doesn’t care anymore that 100 million plus he’s getting from Spotify has got him feeling brave
Alex Jones
the art of war!
All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable.
He's not going to war with RUclips he is just saying that it isn't fair that someone sits there and decides who can post a video or not. He just wants it to be fair across the board.
He's such a safe guy huh
David pakman really made me lose faith when he started pushing the vote blue no matter stuff. Gives off those AOC vibes.
He is a democrat shill. He just want them to have more power no matter what. No real principles
Jimmy Dore has turned himself into someone worth listening to. David doesn't seem able to make the same leap.
@@dlv444 On point.
Exactly it's called intellectual dishonesty
@@dlv444 Exactly, I would also also Kyle Kuklinski still keeping it real not buying Dems corporate propaganda.
We just need another youtube
But like old youtube
Where u just find everything
I remember when RUclips literally had two pages of videos. I watched every video on RUclips one afternoon. I uploaded a video to RUclips before there was a million videos on RUclips. I hate RUclips now, if something comes along tomorrow that's even close to the original RUclips, I will walk away from RUclips and never look back.
You can't find sht on RUclips these days.You can't even find by the typing the name of the channel you are looking for if the channel is "controversial".I literally had to copy link a video from my browser to find it on youtube.
.. now you can't even see everyone's comments..
Google got big because it just seemed to know what you were looking for. You would type "that bald guy with a large podcast" and you'd find Joe Rogan. That exceptional technical quality has made them really good at hiding things, so now even if you search something like Steven Crowder change my mind you might not find it.
B I T C H U T E
It's growing in popularity and most youtubers use it as a mirror, with some making exclusive videos there. All it really needs is a theater mode, live streaming (coming soon), and more bigger youtubers to make it their primary platform.
Rogan you are too smart and precious to devote your time to this guy.
joe with that hundred mil maybe invest in headphones with a longer cord.
Lol
😂🤣
RUclips comments never fail man 😂😂😂
It’s to keep him from floating away from that Kush
😂😂
The real MVP here is Joe's headphone cable.
What a trooper.
Damn I was too much in to conversation I can't see anything
definitely not made in china!
😂😂😂 Joe probably woke up with neck ache the next dsy and wondered why
Yeah that’s exactly what you should be thinking of. 😂
So frustrating and glad Joe called the guest on his use of the term "disinformation" - who gets to make that judgment? We do not need nanny's deciding what we can see/read.
Dr Rick The best thing to do is bring back the fairness doctrine. If you don’t know what that is just look it up
David pakman is a disingenuous hypocrite.
op - joe didnt do anything like you described here. joe clearly felt there was such a thing as disinformation, but made it clear that those doctors werent cases of it. again, leagues from what you wrote about here.
That's what I'm saying. Unpopular opinions is NOT disinformation. That's dangerous and I'm glad Joe clarified that on air.
@@halfeatenwaffle3 dude you've probably never touched a woman
I really like the exchange of ideas here. I wish we could replicate this civility in everyday online interactions.
@Mike H up until his recent videos
Debates still happen lmao
But Rohan is still repeating the rights ,"Censorship" Bullshit!
None of their views are extreme opposites from each other, both of them are more on less in a similar position on the political spectrum.
david parkman is a liar. i used to watched his podcast regularly but than he started going left and saying censoring is a great thing 🤦🏽♂️ he disappointed me significantly
You think he is a liar cause you disagree with what he has to say. The problem with left or right wing politics.
@@adamsmith-sm8lh I think he is liar bc he passes off opinions as fact. That's not how any of this works.
He's very hard to even watch. He's knowingly and intentionally dishonest. plus if his eyes were any closer they be touching which makes it hard to look at him anyways.
@@adamsmith-sm8lh no he thinks he's lying because the things he's saying aren't true. There's nothing partisan about that
Survival ,. If you are ambitious but not principled enough or creative enough - you capitulate
"But...my side is in control of the censorship"
$100M deal but no headset extension cord
True
Oh man this is genius !
iveda man now you’ve pointed that out it’s all I can focus on. So annoying
Lol
8:20 So he's making the argument that that Conservatives want a regulation against infringement against their rights, but don't want regulations that infringe on their rights. And he is calling that hypocritical. Talk about cyclical leftist logic.
No, he’s making the argument that it’s hypocritical of conservatives when they say baker’s ought to be able to decide who they will and will not make a wedding cake for, but then demand that the government force Twitter/RUclips/Facebook to accept any and all content.
@@GenXDaddyO The government is directing and subsidizing censorship, after privatizing the public square. So, no. It's not.
@@GenXDaddyO 👍🏽💯🔥
@@GenXDaddyO because these platforms apparently claim they're a public utility but don't want to be treated like one
28:26 You do have a right to speak at a school if it’s a public school and you’re invited by a student. That’s why instead of trying to ban them, they’ve shifted to charging the speaker outrageous fees for “security” in order to prevent them from speaking.
I wanna have your baby
Joe: Taking videos down, with different views, is a bad idea
RUclips: We must censor our biggest podcaster so he doesn't say stuff like that again
**Joe flashes new $100 mill contract with Spotify**
RUclips: What have we done...
Tee Aye that’s the same thing. Demonetize things they don’t want talked about so joe rogan loses money.
I have a new channel guys and a sub would be hugely appreciated :)
@@MrTeeAye If you build your career as a youtuber and then from one day to the next get demonetized, that's almost as good as censorship.
Direct censorship would be you saying something that YT finds politically incorrect. Something about transgenders come to mind as a reason for YT censorship in the past.
YT has a preference when it comes to videos they promote. Go to any independent news show on YT and check out the "next up" recommended video. They aren't from that channel, they're always from Fox, CNN, MSNBC or the like.
Just did a video about it on my channel :)
@@mj-og7zg Yea that's what I was thinking too
@sweeney 1 Haha that I was :)
I hope you enter Spotify flexing hard, nothing holding you back from being the Joe we all knew 6 or 7 years ago
Well he's obviously evolved but i see your point
Amen to that.
@@legion24100 I was about to say that.
No corporation will let it be unsensored... Spotify can lose board members whenever...
@@NewsYourViews I agree. I think hes going to hold back more..
i'm baffled at how pakman has close to 2 mil subs. his haircut alone should repel people
I imagine one of the reasons he’s got such a high subscription rate is because he doesn’t sound like a shallow idiot as some people.
@@nativedan oh i've listened to enough of his horse manure to know
I love how he’s going at RUclips after his contract with Spotify went public 😂👌🏻
Burning the house down
And posting it on RUclips 😂😂
He’s been publicly against RUclips’s censorship ever since they took down the video of the two doctors
@@mrnigga3429 exactly Rogan has been saying RUclips is shit for years. But everyone is still whining why he shouldn't leave RUclips
cashh_fetishh Defiantly! But now it just seems different because there’s absolute no fucks given now. Before young Jamie would maybe stop him or joe would stop himself on certain things, videos and audio being played or said. It could be just me 🤷🏻♂️😂
RUclips: "What do I have to do not to get banned?"
Spotify: "Welcome to Spotify how can we help you?"
Liking for your fat Sal pic. Considering the many mutual friends, I am really surprised none of the Jokers have ever been invited on the JRE, particularly Sal and Quinn.
@@BlyGuy fat sal is a meme we will never let die. everywhere you go there shall be a fat sal waiting for you.
Spotify will be there soon enough. They're in the early days of what youtube was. Once they get enough investors and advertisers they'll be beholden to the same market forces.
@@yakojjy not necessarily. Spotify's revenue is like 80% from subscribers where RUclips is almost entirely advertisements. They can afford to be more customer focused where RUclips has to adhere to the advertising company's/narrative. Plus spotify isn't a US based company (Swedish I think?) and news coverage in the European countries is held to a different and higher standard than in the US.
@@yakojjy Yep.
All censorship is bad. End of story
I agree.
Hear hear
Hate crimes/speech is bad,
Pro terrorism is bad,
Propaganda is bad (and deceitful).
Child pron?
it s not though. It s just impossible to draw a clear line and the who wantsa to be in in charge is probably the wrong person :-) ... not censoring is the best solution we have.
Seeing this after 2 years is interesting. What was banned in May 2020 turned out to be correct.
The conspiracy theorists are always right
Like what? What was true????
@@thetruthfromthefuture Right out of the gate, in May 2020 a RUclipsr (Peal Prosperity) identified, through a scientific paper, that Covid came from lab. I knew it then and watched the Narrative lie consistently from there. Once you see, you can't unsee.
@@paulmoulton7248 A RUclipsr??? Yikes. Stop forming your world view from RUclips. It's melting your brain.
@@thetruthfromthefuture Ahh, so you still believe the news. Do you still it came from the wet market?
Sounds like old uncensored Joe is getting ready for Spotify...
Spotify has a "Strategic Partnership" with Tencent, who are basically the Chinese communist party. Joe has sold himself into censorship.
@@oldmanwinter3597 ffs we keep catchin Ls all damn fuckin day.
@@oldmanwinter3597 i think tencent is the strategic partner of spotify only in china...maybe i am wrong.
OldManWinter that same Tencent has invested millions into Reddit. Makes sense
It blows my mind that the only guy with any common sense when it comes to politics and cultural issues is some mma comedians.
Yeah but it’s funny how someone who’s actually open minded and listens to other sides and will debate people is “faking” or “flip flopping”
North Georgia no one here said anything like that
He’s not playing devil’s advocate he’s playing liberal advocate.
tomayto tomahto
It frustrates me that a a scientific illiterate asshole is making clames on the covid out break.....
@Spoon Clank social media platforms aren't being regulated by governments, it's their own leadership that is creating the rules
Is there a difference?
Kind of sounds like he's taking the free market approach. Rogan sounds like he's taking the liberal, socialism stance.
Has Joe or anybody mentioned the fact that the J&J vaccine that the FDA and media kept saying is totally safe and effective has been discontinued and the FDA says to take another vaccine instead because it's actually more harmful than they originally thought? I think that's something important to talk about.
This guy is the epitome of a weasel.
They’re both weasels
@@aarondavid826 Because Pakman will dismiss any and all conspiracies.... all in favor of the establishment. He is very much a shill.
Baron Saturday well most conspiracy theories are BS.
Gargoyle
We can already see the sheeple/effects of the left rewriting history online lol its crazyyyy and its only going to get worse
Joe: “you have to be a moron to think the earth is hollow”
Eddie bravo has entered the chat:
Six moon landings
I wonder if Eddie ever gets offended when Joe mentions flat earth with other interviews
It's a fish eyed lense bro!
Look into it
The earths isn't hollow!!!???
Then why are they so many manholes covers?Tell me people "Why"@!!!!! And yes there aliens under them you can hear them hissing and splashing.
This dude is literally a democrat talking point he isn’t objective
Wow! Your smart aren’t you? Yes he is literally a Progressive Democrat and has always argued for Progressive Policies. Jesus Christ what do you say when you see Charlie Kirk or Dave Rubin on a podcast?
Yeah, he is lmao.
@@jasoneves140 I think you can be a progressive and still be able to find fault with the DNC, i think what James is saying is that David is a sock puppet. Now what hole does the hand go up?
@@jasoneves140 triggered
Jason Eves don’t use the word “smart” if you don’t know the difference between “your” and “you’re”
did Joe ever let packman say anything?
No
Yes unfortunately
It's his show. If Joe was on Packman's show he'd let him talk more. If you watch enough Podcasts you'll notice this mostly consistent trend.
@@That.One.Guy.66 So hosts do all the talking while guests sit there and listen? You must be a producer?
@@jablamo Nope. That's not what I said. It's called respect. If you watch enough Podcasts you'll see there are unwritten rules. Besides Joe Rogan never claimed to be perfect or even a professional at conversating.....but he must be pretty good at it.
Joe "my headphone cord is too short" Rogan
Joe "I feel like I am on a short leash" Rogan
It bothers me soooo much
Ill start a petition for him to switch to bluetooth
It's on a pull cord ... so it dosen't get in his way
Jesus Christ..I'm dead right now lol
It's 2020 and Joe Rogan is the voice of reason, and I'm ok with that.
He's literally always been since his podcast started.
@@Z3phlar he really has always been very based and reasonable
who would have thought.. who would've thought.
Bush allowed 9/11 to happen
He can express himself honestly and that’s hard to do for probably most of us I’m thinking
Alex Jones gonna be joe’s first guest
According to Alex Jones...
Alex jones is banned on spotify too tho...
Musk is a puppet
Slayer8957 go to timcast irl Joe said Alex gonna be the first one then Elon
I love this conversation! Great points made
he immediately categorized it as "disinformation"....
That's how they get programmed. They just regurgitate on demand
He said on the outset, "Let me play devils advocate"
David Pakman looks like a guy from the 90's working at Blockbuster Video who really wants you to rent some indie movie you never heard of because he yearns to make any social contact where he's got some knowledge to share with you.
hahahah
Damn, that was good
But just really wants to smugly namedrop half a dozen arthouse directors that “you’ve probably never heard of”.
Oddly specific
"You ever watch cronenberg, bro?"
"Yeah man, naked lunch will blow your mind!"
Something tells me RUclips is going to miss Joe and all the income he was generating for them. Hopefully this is the start of a mass exodus
RUclips will become MySpace. And then change its name to Mysafespace.
Not really - they will simply go after Spotify with a vengeance - they must protect their monopoly - this is only the start of another war..
ralphy 36
Spotify has been gaining insane momentum.
Since they’ve been slowly implementing videos to their platform, they will absolutely become a top competitor of YTs. When Joe leaves, I guarantee there will be other creators who will follow out of principle & bc of just being tired of YT not giving a crap about its creators.
Spotify is the #1 music & podcast streaming platform in the WORLD now & since they’ve been adding video? Give them 5 more years.
RUclips has been a sinking ship since 2016.
Maybe you don’t realize just how bad demonetization & censorship has become here, along w/the implementation of a completely r3tarded ToS,
which is why truckloads of creators are uploading to other platforms, with some leaving permanently.
I’ve learned to never say never.
YT is without a doubt on the decline & will eventually become a platform that’s 90% celebrities, late night talk shows & makeup artists. The writing has been on the wall. They’ve been trying to chase out regular creators for awhile now since they want the whole pie of hosting network & cable tv shows.
Give it time.
The ‘You’ in RUclips has BEEN LONG dead & once they make their final transition into just another hosting service for Hollywood, audiences will leave en masse since the vast majority of us DO NOT come here for celebrities.
We come here for regular people, with Rogan being the only exception (for me anyway), bc I don’t watch anyone else who could be deemed as a celebrity.
@ralphy 36 There have been so many youtubes. If spotify opens a video section where any user can upload, it's going to take off.
Considering I watch every podcast and that's about it I'll barely use it after Joe is gone.
17:30 .. Wowww.
-David Pakman makes an assertion about why he doesn’t trust Project Veritas
-He cites “something that happened years ago”.
-When mildly questioned about that alleged incident, he provides no factual information to back up why he feels the way he does.
I wish Joe would have pressed him harder on that.. bc that interaction is this interview’s Bari Weiss “Assad toady” moment.
He doesn't watch their stuff because they were dishonest..yet in his show he constantly uses sources that consistently report dishonestly
Project Veritas is a scam and bullshit
Pakman is a weak beta!
@@5atoru Sure it is
This video was demonetized. Admit it Joe. You’re telling RUclips to shove it. Rightfully so.
Relax, incel
How do you know it was demonetized?
@vbg 348 you think way too small
vbg 348 Schaub said that number is way off. From the way he was speaking it seems like Rogan is making a much bigger number than that.
If Joe was doing that than he would have invited Covid 19 doctors that are questioning the narrative instead of bending the knee. Joe has the power to blow this wide open but he's been avoiding it.
How about NO ONE determines or censors what they believe we need to believe or think, or who to vote for, what the hell happened to the belief of free thought and healthy debate?!
Political correctness and extremely left leaning media happened.
yes, so easy. the solution is just to do nothing. dont censor anything. people can decide for themselves
Exactly
Leftist fear debate,...because reason and logic are not as important to them as feelings and ideology.
If you do not conform, you are viewed as an invalid and burden to the State.
I vote you get Ben Shapiro and David Pakman to debate with Joe as the moderator.
Seconded
Thay have debated once on gun control.
Wouldn’t be fair but would be great to watch!
I'd love to see that! Pakman debated Shapiro years ago, it was a very civil discussion.
@Noah Minteer packman has no arguments? compared to ben "my wife is a doctor and also i talk really fast at college kids" shapiro. THAT ben? the ben that huffed and puffed when a conservative asked him tough questions, who he then accused of being a leftist? THAT ben?
David Packman’s takes have aged incredibly well 😆
I know, complete fool
03:30 directly contradicts you. The videos Pakman wants banned were right about children. Funny how both he and Joe agree that we shouldn't be concerned about child-protection in case someone gets protective over actual children.
His viewpoints have actually aged horribly.
He’s still pushing the bullshit narrative.
He’s a disingenuous clown🤡
@@stivosimz 😉👍checks out!
might as well say:
"why don't they just build their own telephone company"
"why don't they just start their own banking system"
Horrible analogy. Uploading a video on a website is infinitely easier than building a telephone company.
@@shiftgood still illogical stance. Its when right wing people say if you don't like America just leave... Isn't that ignorant and bizarre? There's no point to alienating anyone, or censoring anyone. We could just accept people are different and that's ok?
@@shiftgood there is vimeo and dailymotion, but they don't pay and that is the reason people dont move to those platforms. It's all about the money, and I wish people would be honest about that
Starting a multi-billion social media company is no where near comparable to tweeting or uploading a youtube video.
@@shiftgood no it's not. The same people who put pressure on to kick you off RUclips also pressure banks and money processors. Hint they are the same ethnicity as David pakman and Susan wojciki and they also own the payment processor companies, and banks. Look into PayPal and how they kick people off as well as stripe.
Joe PLEASE get a longer headphone cable.
Hahahah
Wow well spotted
Lmao this is great
Not many people know this, but Joes headphone cord is actually a leash being held by Susan Wykowski.
Start a GoFundMe for him
He cant afford a new cord
David is disingenuous with his arguments.
How, exactly?
@@andybaldman well one example is how he told Joe that he agreed with him on freedom of expression, then proceeded to defend censorship. Pretty obvious wouldn't you say? I love people that ask their cute little "gotcha" questions....
@@sled_dog_gaming3566 One can be in favor of free speech while also believing that death threats, slander, libel, defamation, and incitement ought be regulated. Also... David makes clear that he believes social media censorship is a problem, he just correctly believes that social media platforms are private companies, therefore their users are subject to their ToS, no matter how ad hoc they may be. David has proposed a solution... he believes that social media platforms could be regulated as public utilities.
@@ScorpionXII Funny, that's one of the right wing solutions to solving censorship. Aren't they kind of already regulated as a public utility in the sense that they are seen as a publisher and not a platform, which removes them from legal actions? The other solution would be to have them classified as publishers, so they would be subjected to libel and defamation laws they are currently protected from. That would destroy them.
@@trailersfromhell2539 No... abolishing aspects of private enterprise to ensure social justice is by definition a left wing proposition. The right wing position throughout history on issues like this is... the gay wedding cake argument; which is that Twitter is a private company, therefore they have the right to deny service to those with differing beliefs.
What’s with lefties like Pakman speaking in condescending grade 2 teacher voices?
Fr
Alex Jones: “Joe s going to war against RUclips censorship” Tim pool: “Joe called me it’s fake news” , 24 hours later Joe debates DP on RUclips censorship haha
Joe is just trying to save his ass till he officially makes the move over to Spotify. He wouldn’t go out of his way to allow Alex to report on joe leaving RUclips because of censorship if he actually wasn’t taking a stance to fight this. And he hasn’t stopped talking about tech censorship since this happened... coincidence?
Garlic Bread!
Going to war and being against censorship isn't the same thing.
Praying no one actually calls this man “DP”.
Pool is an idiot
This is the type dude who will fight his mother for disrespecting his wife's boyfriend
Lol that's sad.
Mom, he works with charities back off.
🤣😂😭
Haha had too think about that for a second
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Spotify is yanking on the headphones already?
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it's super distracting...lol
"herd *mentality* vs. immunizations" LOL
STOP REGULATING PEOPLES SPEECH!! SIMPLE THATS ALL U NEED TO SAY
It's for your safety. You're welcome.
Agreed, however, yoou dont have to promote it, monitize it, etc.
look, another 4chan
@@michaelknight2897 You shouldn't monetize speech? Should podcasts be illegal?
@@drgonzo4714 What danger is there to letting people think for themselves?
This guy is openly admitting that he’s going to vote for Joe Biden. I rest my case.
He also pees while sitting down. Sad
Listen fat, vote for the other guy... My wife's my sister - Joe Biden
Justin Chaney America is totally screwed if Biden wins. Watch out for voter fraud.
Trump isn't perfect but he's more perfect than old man Biden
You don't have a case to be rested...lol
@@ben31uk
You realize Trump votes by mail. Right?
This guy is so full of BS
Which guy and why/how?
Do you not agree that you should be able to say whatever you want on RUclips as long as it’s not a call to action.
@@johnnyt3707
I believe in that and every american should too. Its freedom of speech
I know, Joe is a moron.
@John Smith my man Dave 😂
@Odins Spear what does him being jewish have to do with it?
Joe sure is talkative in this one. Kinda wanted to hear more from David.
he dodged the project veratis question by bringing up something negative about them and then changes subject
And conveniently forgets the details of whatever incident he was using as his argument. Such a hack.
Project Veritas literally just lies and scams organizations and people for a living to try and make liberals look bad. That is all they do, and nothing they do is remotely honest. Look them up on Google.
“Look it up on google” 😂🤦🏽♂️
Nathan Resick you are totally off here. Veritas videos use a practice that used to be common in journalism. Shining a light on what is actually happening behind the scenes. Capturing people’s words and actions in live videos. No way to deny it. Plus the 8+ year old law suit Pakman mentioned wasn’t even deceptive, PParenthood was just able to sue them due to a technicality because the undercover video was in a state where there was limitations on what could be shot without consent if it wasn’t in a public place, etc. Even that deflection was BS.... and notice he completely changed the subject after.
Lastly, shame on him for purposely not watching the Veritas videos. It is part of your profession and you are putting your head in the sand. Stop being an NPC, open your eyes and if you don’t like the Veritas video or can fault it afterwards then debate it then. What a beta, out of touch, bubble boy.
Nathan Resick - they’re not liars. They DO lop-sided work, exposing people only on the left. That’s the major problem, that they don’t expose people on the right. If they did equal coverage on both sides, they would be much harder to dismiss. Right wingers give a knee jerk response “Veritas has no agenda the left is just that corrupt.” Please, the right has its problems. The fact that project Veritas ignores the right is the real killer of their credibility. But not “lies”, they expose people through raw footage. It’s not wise to label Veritas as liars. Much better to say they’re lopsided activists using raw footage for political change rather than practicing pure philosophical truth & honesty for its own sake
First impression of Pac, I don’t trust him.
Last impression of Pac, I don’t trust him.
You shouldn't. Watch his show. Hes a reasonable sounding progressive liar. Hes basically the same as Ezra Klein.
@@michaelknight2897 I hope one day you recover from your delusions. Pakman is wildly rational and comprehensive in his approach.
@@SuperParkerBrothers but he is never willing to concede to a point even if it logically and practically makes sense from certain perspectives. Sometimes some topics are just in the grey area. He only ever argues for his points or beliefs instead of discussing why and how people do or think about something
@@SuperParkerBrothers Not even close. Pakman is the Steven crowder of the left. He's TYT delusional. Kyle Kulinski or Jimmy Dore are rational and comprehensive. Pakman is a left wing hack.
@@MrSpolaR lmao. Kulinski screams conspiracies and Dore is a nut job.
Joe after the Spotify contract is going down hard on RUclips and they deserves this.
I hope Joe goes hard for months and without lube.
RUclips has been doing this for a long while now and not just censoring, but also other shit that they are doing
Yes he should, but let's not forget that Spotify does the same and even worse to artists.
Nice!
Spotify banned Alex Jones though
I tried giving Pakman a chance and I'll continue watching some of his shows but man he really is a second rate "journalist/podcaster". He never has an interesting take and he is always in line with the democratic talking points. He is not intellectually honest and doesn't even seem well read on the points he argues. His show is mostly pushing the same old divisive political nonsense all while he acts self righteously. He tries to come off like he is so reasonable and well thought out, but his thinking lacks depth. He has 1.4m subscribers but gets 10-30k views a video on average?? Seems like BS. A family member mentioned on thanksgiving that they stay informed by watching different political perspectives, so I had to check this out, but unfortunately Pakman is as far left as they come.
Seems like this guy loves the censorship going on.
Anyone who disagrees with me is yelling "Fire!" in a crowded area bro
A small bakery has no right to refuse service to someone for ideological reasons, but a multi-billion dollar company can gag hundreds of thousands of people because it's their right!
I mean, packmen is a commie.
Don't know who he is but he gives me a "My wife's boyfriend will beat you up." Kind of vibe.
@@jcdenton8294 Works the other way around too. Do you think a bakery has the right to serve who they wish? and if so, how do you justify youtube not being allowed to do the same?
David Pakman's logical fallacies are embarrassing.
I found it was his use of big words.
Joe: literally anything
Pakman: yeah, but Trump
In an era of Trump turmoil, I find Pakman’s reasonableness very soothing!
I guess Joe is gonna have some crazy guest on Spotify...
I turned this off after 3:15 when Pakman started suggesting that listening to qualified medical people about herd immunity, etc was harmful and can see why they'd be censored. I don't need to hear more after that.
Firebird 7479 I’m 6 minutes in and I’ve had enough
You should have kept listening. The discussion got better.
Joe nailed him... And he back tracked a bit on the medical stuff
Turned it off without debating his ideas? ah, yes, the conservatives strike again with their market place of ideas.
That’s not what he was suggesting. He was commenting on the misinformation that quarantines could be harmful to your immune system , and how that is dangerous because of flat earther types of people
Willingly arguing for censorship? Am I stoned or is this real?
joe is arguing for less censorship and it's the reason cited for his move to spotify while the pakman guy just does his best to rationalise the lefts approach to every single issue.
He belongs to a certain interest group which you are not allowed to name...
Sorry I meant pakman not Rogan. Obviously Rogan isn't for censorship based on this video. Sorry for being confusing I was smoking some BOMB wax. Cheers boys
@@braveheart4603 The reason he just said he is leaving in this video was because it was a good deal. He did say that he didn't like the censorship on the platform but he specifically said that he was not going to war with anyone or anything so this game of telephone is getting messed up already lol not trying to argue with you just saying that what you are saying is officially incorrect. Also Joe or his guest mentioned that the government is in control or responsible for freedom of speech or rights but I just want to add that's also not even close to being true as the rights are bestowed onto us BY GOD . No one can Amend them or deny any legal us citizens those rights even at the highest offices of government.
@Duffy Duff He is...but he really isnt. If he really was arguing against it, there wouldnt be so many "if's" or "who's". Its simple...allow for regulation on direct threats or doxxing if you want, but everything else goes. Profit & corporations do not matter when it comes to the FIRST amendment. Joe is still playing both sides here...like he does on almost everything.
right wing headlines: conservative DESTROYS liberal
left wing headlines: senator blasts other senator
hm. which is more imflammatory?
Rogan is being willfully ignorant for saying left wing insults are worse than right wing ones
scrtwpnx you serious ???
just pay a visit to young turks
LOL, YA OKAY
Who determines what is disinformation? RUclips? LOL
One of the best if not the best arguments Rogan ever made. When Rogan makes a stand it is for a good reason.
Dont you just love the fact that he's sticking it to them?
Or is it that he's taking a stand on an issue you agree with?
@@alphadexxa you mean the constitution.
Yea real Americans fight for it.
Rogan made terrible points tbh
Sean Potter also youtube is not just for the US so why would everyone expect special treatment just for the states
When did David become a doctor?
When we clicked, he put his doctor hat on.
When he started playing 'devils advocate ™ after reaching into his bag of gimmicks.
I wonder how many people follow Joe Rogan‘s advice on Covid vaccinations and how it worked out for them? I remember a couple of years ago a guy that was a respiratory therapist at Doctors hospital in Miami Florida said that the hospital was full of unvaccinated people…… he said that there were people who were vaccinated that were admitted into the ER, but they were not put in critical care. They were a lot less sicker, and their hospitalizations were much shorter…… I kept waiting for them to have that conversation
Covid was very mild. Americans over exaggerate how bad it is. The most lethal strain had an IFR of 0.15%.
He’s such a weasel in every way.
Joe: Valid Point
David: Yeah but the person who said that is bad.
Joe: Another valid point.
David: Yeah but the person who said that is a hypocrite.
Never addresses the point. Just shifts the framing.
A classic woke SJW defense, just move the goal posts!
He is a typical weasel like all the censor fans.
Biased hypocrite.
Im so glad I visited the comments section of this video. I gave this shit bird a chance after hearing he was reasonable but he is just another sissy that cant handle challenged.
Neoliberals and right wingers for ya
I found no such exchange in this video. David Pakman's overall position is correct; tech companies have an establishment bias, not much of a political bias. Establishment media like FOX News and CNN get propped up, while independent media get buried. David is also correct that the disproportionate censorship of conservatism on most platforms is due to conservatism's incompatibility with any sort of moderation; for example... if Twitter for whatever reason decides to ban 5G conspiracy content, 90% of the people effected by this ban will be conservatives. Now you can disagree with their decision to ban 5G conspiracy content, but the point here is... there's no actual way to ban 5G nuts that will result in an equal distribution of of bans between left and right, therefore Twitter is given two choices... no moderate at all, or moderate in such a way that disproportionately effects conservatives.
8:20 man this guy is out of touch, they want their constitutional rights respected
Yes, same thought. I was like is he taking the left's ideas and flipping them around? 🤔
You do realize that the US constitutional right to free speech is about Government Censoring your speech. I didn't realize RUclips was your government body.
I dont think you have a Constitutional right to use a platform.
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@Donald Trump whomever owns the church(that's private property no different from the home you live in) can kick you out, but many priest would be more then willing to debate you on your beliefs. Find me a single church with as many members as youtube or twitter and you might have a point, but as of now the two simply don't compare.
@Donald Trump Even if your just an edgelord the priest/pastors of most churches can be very tolerant and would welcome anyone into their community for the betterment of themselves, religions not ALL bad, but there is bad in everything.
David "go make your own platform" Pakman.
Conservatives: Liberals go make your own country if you hate America
Also Conservatives : WTF you mean make my own twitter!? No, look at the logistics, its impossible.
@@meh6346 Pretty sure nobody tells people to go "make their own" country dude; theres like 200 countries out there that they can go to if they don't like it here, why do you think immigrants come to America? They didn't like their country enough to stay, Americans can do the same. RUclips and Twitter claim to be, and morally should be, completely neutral platforms that allow anything that is not outright harmful (threats, obscene nudity/violence etc). Liberals are supposed to be tolerant and allowing of all viewpoints, and yet they are constantly the ones trying to censor and remove opposing ideas.
they want obedience not debate or any questioning of the mainstream media.
YT has to either be a publisher or a platform, not both as it suits them.
Steven Gumble ... nope. They’re a private company. They can censor whatever they want. The Internet is the platform. That’s the public area.
estevenj Electric water cable Internet social media Companies should all be on the same level If the people working at the electric company are conservative they shouldn’t be allowed and they don’t shut off the electric to Liberal peoples houses it should work the same for social media
Kyle Crocker Social Media is a business on the Internet. You can start a social media platform on the Internet for free in a day. Just because RUclips has the most customers doesn’t make it a public utility. You can’t start a power company by yourself...probably ever. But you can spin up a blog and podcast with a payment portal in six hours on free WiFi at Starbucks.
@@estevenj just because they can doesn't mean they should.
Nestle's a private company so I guess it's A-OK that they're putting impoverished African babies on formula to make their mothers stop producing milk and grow a reliance on their products.
Shitty business practices should be called out, and if they harm the public, or democracy, then I have no objection to government interference in the matter.
Propane TreeFiddy don’t bring a straw man argument. Put the keyboard down. We’re talking about what defines a public utility,
Pakman says one thing, joe corrects him, pakman "totally agrees" .
To be fair, he is stating several times that he is playing devil’s advocate
@@massn1990 He's Jewish
It's double talk. No real agreement or disagreement, and it's just easier for him to move forward and it's the listener's job to figure out where the fuck this guy stands.
@Harry Lord More reason to consider conservatives the enemy. They're anti-Semitic trash.
Harry Lord So? Being a racist is for losers who’s only achievement in life is being born a certain color. If your only argument against David Parkman is that he is Jewish, you got nothing. You’re not smart enough to actually refute him when he is wrong. (Which he is)
Packman: I'm not a doctor...
Also Packman: The Doctor who is also an immunologist has it exactly backwards...
Ok
You don't have to be a doctor to disagree with a doctor lmao
Also, learn to spell his name right, before you say other dumb things.
@Zardoz I kind of a remember a right wing president suggesting we inject disinfectant into people to cure coronavirus. I think you should try that method. Your gene pool won't be missed. Inbred.
@@tgfs238 fair enough...
@@andybaldman will do.
Ok joe so your going to listen to an MD over an infectious disease doctor? That sounds logical, hell why not just ask the plant doctor.