POF Fail Follow-Up
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- POF Rogue fail follow-up. In this video, I go over my likes and dislikes about this weapon system. I describe my journey navigating their customer service as well as a few other tidbits.
308 AR-style rifle
AR10
I have the Revolution DI and absolutely love it. Zero problems. 2000 rounds so far.
Have you suppressed it?
@@stingerzing4063 I just did this last weekend and it won't cycle :(. I tried adjusting the gas block with no success. I am hoping it is an easy fix
I just got one today, it won't cycle supressed or non supreseed! Bs if you ask me! I wasted 40% of my ammo today trying to get it to work. Highly disappointed. WE will see how POF handles it I guess.
Please let me know what you find out. I have been lazy getting out to shoot and video tape what's actually happening with the action. Once I get out and find out exactly what's happening I will contact POF. But please let me know what you find out after your investigation.@@corybelter1083
Congrats POF, I won't be buying one based on this video. I'll be purchasing the Ruger SFAR. I had great customer service with Ruger, CZ, Steyr and Sig. Remington was the worst I ever had to deal with, I sent back a NIB rusty gun that they claimed to do work on and they never touched it. (The Chysler of gun companies)
ummmmm the Ruger SFAR has had pretty much the same problems, if not more
Had my eye on the POF Rogue for a couple of years and then the Ruger SFAR showed up at the local ranch and home supply store. Manager let me put it on hold on the Wednesday before the Black Friday Sale. Sweet!
I also purchased this rifle. I agree with you, for the price it should be able to shoot much tighter groups. I may or may not keep mine. Thanks for good honest review
I too have had some marginal experiences with POF customer service. I feel strongly that things have moved in the wrong direction since Frank passed. As far as the Rogue, you simply bought the wrong gun. The revolution, Renegade, P308, and P415 are the cream and would have given the performance you were looking for. It's disappointing that they have introduced a lower tier of rifles of lower quality and missing 90% of the features that make POF rifles stand out above the rest, but it is a tall order to expect guys/gals to shell $2800 for a top shelf blaster. They tried to bring a more cost effective rifle to market and missed the mark, and sadly their reputation is already suffering. I would not buy a rogue or a minute man series POF rifle, but I have an old Gen 4 renegade+ with the 18" stainless barrel and have a legit 12K down the pipe. No failures of any kind and it still slings a one minute group with hand loaded 77SMK.
It's a 5.9 lb 308 with a 16 inch barrel. With very little recoil. It's not a match rifle. I have had ones that were. They were more like 15+ lbs or more depending on the scope etc. With 20 inch barrels. The POF Rogue with handloading and shooting off sandbags. Will shoot moa groups. But that's not what it's made for. It's one of the best all around rifles that I have ever used. I live in big game country. Deer, bear, elk, moose etc. Mountains, valleys and open hilly terrain. So lots of walking up and down mountains and hills. You don't even notice that you are carrying it. It's good for brush and out to 3-400 yards. The Canadian Rangers use 308 to take down everything including grizzly. So if you want a one rifle to do it all for hunting (and possibly self-defense/military) the POF Rogue is perfect. Just change what you don't like (like grind the safety down). If you are hunting mountain goats antelope or long range match shooting. Well you'll need a longer, heavier and much more expensive rifle (bolt action would probably be better). So for anyone who is looking for a great all around rifle it's perfect. It would make Jeff Coopers day! A 5.9 lb 308 scout rifle!
That’s not the point. Even if they are decent for many things they could still have been way better with minor design changes.
The real issue is that the choices were made intentionally by POF to kneecap the rogue so it wouldn’t be as competitive with their more expensive AR-10s.
The lack of an aftermarket for this pattern of rifle prevents people from making those improvements on their own. Even then why buy a gun just to spend hundreds getting it to where to could be from the factory?
Also, Jeff Cooper would be appalled by the Rogue. There’s more to the scout rifle concept than being lightweight and a rifle caliber. Lol
@@TheFish711 well I guess the answer is. Buy one of the more expensive models
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Dont understand the accuracy complaints i get 2.5 inch groups at 400 yards with my 12.5 inch pof revolution .308.
I hear the newer ones are doing better.
For a sub-6 lb rifle that has decent accuracy, they have a lot of wiggle room with me regarding some of the design issues you pointed out. I swapped out the pistol grip with a BCM grip, put a giessele SSA trigger in there, added the dictator, replaced the butt stock, and added a Lantac brake and suppressor adapter to mine. After a couple hiccups, I’m pretty happy with mine. Is it the most accurate rifle? Nope. Do I need it to be? Nope. Is it the lightest .308 in its class? Yep. And that’s precisely why I bought it. Customer service has been great with my questions and issues I’ve had, and I really love the outside the box thinking they put into this rifle. Love it.
You pretty much build a different gun but I am glad you got yours to work for you.
After seeing IV8888’s meltdown video of the POF 415 I looked hard into the Rogue as my first 308 rifle. I figured they must be doing something right at POF, well the internet is filled with absolute horror stories with the Rogue. I’m sure POF makes great other firearms like the 415 and probably can even make a fine Rogue every once in awhile but I’m steering clear.. research before you buy folks, don’t matter what it is, there’s reviews out there for everything
Good job dude. Like nutnfancy, I like to see information that matters. This is no combat rifle. No excuse for snarky customer service after spending 1,500 bucks.
I picked up a rogue about 10 months ago. In my opinion this rifle was worth every dollar. I changed out the stock and grip to better fit me. And a swampfox arrowhead 1x10 scope. It has been sub moa with 168 and 175 grain hornady ammo. Recoil is nice, easy to carry for deer hunting. Sorry yours isnt working out for you.
Thanks for the input. If I come across one again I will try that grain weight. Perhaps I just got a lemon.
idk man mine has had some misfires but im going to try the heavy grain aswell I still love her tho @@TheStax81
Sorry you had a bad experience. I too swapped the non-adjustable gas block it came with for the dictator. But I did the work myself. It really was pretty easy to do the swap and was more or less just like any other gas block change I have done. However my reasoning was that I needed the adjustable gas block so that it would reliably work with a suppressor. Honestly it didn't work out too great, and even with the adjustable gas block, it really doesn't cycle properly with my suppressor. But that wasn't the reason I bought the rifle in the first place so I certainly can't blame the rifle. I wanted something powerful but also lightweight. In that regard, it is a really good rifle.
Sound like you should have bought a pof revolution
Re the twist / grainage.. I asked a pof rep what they recommend for suppressed shooting and he said the gun is built for 168gr. I dunno, I got the rogue for a gpr / spr, it works for me. 5.9lbs for a ar 308 buys a lot of leeway with me. good vid :)
POF put everything they had into the Revolution. Anything other than that is a toss of the dice.
I bought one and it was total crap. It could not hit paper. Thier customer service did everything in thier power to not help me. Constant lies and BS. Never fixed, no resolution, I ended up scraping it. They lied, bs'd. The upper torques so much that there is no way this thing can take the preassures and torque. Just absolute junk. I have owned other POF ar10s, excellent, heavy like a boat anchor. The company is total trash since their owner died.
Yea their customer service is inconsistent. I posted something on this also.
And it's true, 168 grain or higher.
But once you use the ammo it requires no issues.
I even bought another CMR revolution gas piston version.
Kudos for being patient... As for customer service in the firearms industry, I noticed it has been "hit or miss" (pardon the pun). Some companies such as my experience with Ruger and PSA were great. Others such as Colt can take "forever" just to get a response... If you can get a past issue of Guns and Ammo AR15 (I'm sorry I cannot remember what month/year it came out) but it had an editor contacted several AR 15 companies about a "problem" with their rifle and his experience was telling. The best company for customer service was Ruger and DPMS and the worst was... Wilson Combat if can you believe that... so in summary yes some firearms manufacturers have good customer service because that is "good" for business and those who do not give a wit about good customer service such as the aforementioned "POF", as the consumer in a diverse market you can take you dollars to a company/manufacturer that cares about their customers.... nuff said
what part of montana are you in. i am in the nw part. i own several and i've had good experience with pof customer service
Was semi interested in this rifle, thanks for the heads up I won’t be buying one.
So, 1 Disgruntled Owner, ( Who IRONICALLY Won't show. "THE PROPLEM" ) The Vast majority Love it, It's litterly Revolutionary. Really... Chtis Bartuccy Is "F"ed in the head ??? & Scores of of Designers & SF Opperators ?? Really ? It's a relatively new rifle. ( Even the greatest Military planes, & World class, EVERYTHING has "Teething problems" Being a Troubleshooter W/ Weapons systems, {NOT to br discussed } In my opinion POF Releiced too many platforms W/O a lengthy troubleshooting time frame. But they DEFFINATLY changed the .308 landscape. & 0 problems W/mine. Ruger, Straight up {Copied } !!! ( Saving Crazy $$ in. R&D.) Let's see if it "Goes the Distance" & NO. These are NOT MILITARY WEAPONS.
I have never had a problem with mine. And as far as accuracy using federal xm80 fmj it put three rounds in the same hole at 100. It’s a great gun I wouldn’t pass it up unless you get the revolution
Thanks for the heads up on this!! I was looking for a well built AR pattern rifle in .308 and from what I can tell clearly this ain’t it. You buy rifles like I do and I work hard for my money. I pay for quality and don’t have an issue with that. Clearly this is the one for me!!! Thanks again. You’ve have gained a new subscriber.
Looks like the Ruger SFAR is the .308 to buy. I own a POF 415 and love it, but there is just no excuse for bad customer service and lousy accuracy at this price point. Ruger is more accurate for less $$.
That sucks that you didnt like the Rogue. POF makes great tools. I think some of it may be that the rifle was not designed to be a precision rifle. POF should definitely stop putting that MOA guarantee on that sticker. Its a super lightweight battle rifle. I know it sucks, but the Ruger SFAR has similar problems. Its tough getting a .308 to run in a AR type rifle....also i do think the Dictator gas block should come standard on the Rogue......bad on you POF. I own the Renegade plus 10.5 inch .300 BO, and i can say its pretty amazing. With the gas block, I can run anything from 110gr Vmax to 220gr Subs with/without a can. The thing just runs
Sux u had that experience, but I have the Revolution DI and the Renegade + and there rock solid , but for the money my BCM 14.5 mkII is really nice , good value and high end quality!! For $1600 u can get a nice BCM .
Matt. Thanks for your input. I have some experience with this piece of equipment. I can say that I use heavier grain weights and average about 1.25 moa with this one. I understand your beef with the lack of usability with the bad lever. However, there are some pretty awesome design aspects for this lefty. I must say that I am a fan of oof I did have a knucklehead buddy of mine run some Russian steel ammo through it while I was stepped away from the table, and when I got back he was about to stick his pocket knife into the action to free it up. I'm glad I caught him before he did that. But I wasn't fast enough to stop him before he ran that trash ammo through my rifle. Shame on you d. Run that crap through your own rifle. So my advice would be to use quality ammo like the smk 175 gold medal match. I've hit the .75 mark with them a few times.
Lol, my POF Revolution PD runs 150gr Steelcase Tulammo without a problem. The first few rounds of quality brass ammo didn't look so good, had to turn the gas down, but no ammo stuck in mine, because I gave it a proper factory recommended pre clean/lubrication. I was also getting moa at 100yds with that .60 a round trash ammo... Tell everyone not to buy it, its trash. 😁
thank you, I have had the same problems with the gun, I am planning on selling it, I will stick to my tried and true Socom 16 guess I am old school.
Mine has never had an issue with any ammo though the groupings are nothing to write home about. I never thought this would be a high accuracy gun, I expected okay accuracy only. You have an example of one, as do I and making a decision based on two guns would not be wise I think. The 1/8th twist is odd for sure, something I don't like about the gun. I also like a forward assist which this gun doesn't have. This gun is not for hunting for me, just a fun rifle to shoot and meets my requirements. My DD5V1 is my more serious .308 AR.
I bought one, but not yet had a chance to shoot it. I notice it has a lot of play between upper and lower when I twist the grip left or right. I read that it does best with heavier grain bullets, like 175g. Well, I'll see. It was sort of an impulse buy. I upgraded the furniture and put a side-charging handle on it, and it feels great and has an excellent trigger, but I just hope it shoots great. I own an HK91 and a Tavor 7, but a lightweight .308 sounded like a good idea. The SFAR seems interesting, though heavier.
I have had good luck with two 110 grn (1Barnes TTSX the other VMAX)loads and a 130 grn Barnes TTSX load. I also had good luck with !65 grn Barnes TSX but with only 7 bullets to try. 147 grn "Perfecta " FMJ are doing 1.5 to 2".My rifle seemed to be way over gassed, and I got no response about an adjustable gas block. They just said it I needed more braking in. I had an H-3 buffer weight and it helped get ejection between 2:30 & 4:00 depending on load.
I like my LWRC Six8
I had terrible luck with my revolution 308. Shot absolutely terrible and constant brass getting stuck in chamber. Their customer rep was smug and said it would be first one of their guns sent back for accuracy that was actually the rifles fault. Lol there are alot of forums where guys have same issue. As far as brass sticking there is a break in involving you to finish their job by cleaning and polishing the chamber with drill and rod over and over til problem gets better. That e2 square thing is a gimmick.
What work did they do on it at the factory? The final groups you showed at the end, were they 168gr and above or some lighter stuff? I shot 147gr light stuff and got 2-5 MOA. Trying to figure out if it is worth it to send it in even if my results improve when I shoot 168gr.
Thanks,I don't want the sfar either,I think a 6.2 grendal would be the mark!!
POF can do better. Thanks for an honest video.
6 pound 308 and we're worried about groups? I worry about groups on heavy rifles. Light rifles are quick. Quick rifles are for short range. Short range rifles don't need to be accurate......you follow? This is a hammer, I put an EOTECH on mine. MOM at 100y easy. Everything closer is in deep crap. You know some guns actually have limitations? I want a gun as easy to conceal as an LCP, hold as many rounds as my Czech mate, be as powerful as a 500 S&W and recoil like a 22. It'll be on the shelf next to the 5.9# AR-10 that shoots 1/2" groups.
Lighter just means easier to carry, my dude. It is the same size as a standard AR10. Quick to the first shot (because it is lighter) means longer to every follow-up shot because of recoil and if you can't hit the things you want at a distance it sort of makes the whole platform less useful as a tactical platform as well as a hunting platform. For a tactical platform, you would be better off with a SBR in .300blk.
You bought the Rouge ,it is POF budget 308 rifle I have 3 POF REVOLUTION DI RIFLES AND THEY ARE AWESOME!!!!!
lol how is 1500 dollars
budget?
not saying price wise but it doesn't have all the features
@@etch2546 how is 1500 for a semi auto 308 not budget?
@@IrishLizard44 cuz I’m a boke ass white boy. And I’m just like the man said, I don’t have a collection. I paid 1700 after taxes and it runs good, just the charging handle comes loose. It’s my first and only rifle and I thought I was getting more for the money. I knew I should’ve gotten the revolution. I don’t know what to do. I can’t get all my money back, and I’ve only shot 61 rounds.
@@etch2546 cause the revolution is 2600 and were in the year 2023. Get in check with pricing
From the POF to the Ruger SFAR, the amount of money that you have paid, the AR-308W should be up and running very well. I have built all my AR308W and all run very well.
Sweet shirt !!!!
I have the same gun and I am equally disappointed. I had POF install the same gas block. The gun seems to chew up the brass pretty bad. I swapped out the buffer to a spikes T2 heavier buffer and that along with the gas block helped with the FTE problem. I bought the gun to hunt with and usually shoot 150 gr variety of hunting ammo and the accuracy is not very good. It will shoot that about 2 moa. I'm no marksman, but I have been shooting/hunting my whole life, so I can shoot moa. This is the most expensive firearm I own and it is the most inaccurate. I tried talking to POF about it and possibly returning it to them for work. That was a very frustrating experience, they did not want to help. I can honestly say I will never purchase another POF product. I might purchase the Ruger SFAR and sell this one.
I had the same experience with their customer service when my piston driven revolution was completely jacked up and I mean bad they made it sound like it was something I did the rifle had less than 10 rounds down range never again will I be doing business with them after taxes ffl and shipping I was into that pile for over 3K and they made me pay to return it come to me folks you give me 3 thousand dollars I’ll kick you in the nuts and we’ll call it even
I'd say that group is ok for a $1500 gun. If it was a $2500+ gun with that group, I'd be pissed.
Mines been a total POS plain and simple customer service sub par mine had failure to extract issue I should of bought a LMT or DD my mistake
The rogue has been a total crapshoot and haven’t heard anything good about it.
Sounds like you definitely had a bad experience for sure, but the complaints of the barrel twist rate and proprietary parts didn’t exactly sneak up on you. Research is key for sure.
When did you purchase this rifle I’m just wondering if later models after performance is any better I bought one haven’t been able to shoot it yet
great info, thanks
What gun would you recommend?
Nice!
You keep saying other options. Cool, what factory built 308 semi auto, that guarantees 1 moa for $1500, options are you talking about? I am honestly curious.
Ruger does
Ruger SFAR .308, comes in a 16 inch and 20 in barrel.
MP10 bro.
@@FT4Freedom I am leaning towards the Ruger SFAR in .308 myself. My friend has the m&p 10 and that thinge eats anything and is very accurate .
I have had some really good luck with the Sig 716 Tread.
I have an SFAR, I can't type my entire opinion on it right here in the comments, there are some things I think require changing to make it "correct" but early testing has showed great accuracy and potential. You may want to try one out, and they can be had under 1k.
Please share what ammo does well in your SFAR. Thanks for sharing.
@@erichandyauto so far Federal blue box 180gr soft points, Federal Premium 175gr SMK, and 7.62x51 M80 all put down a sub 1" 3 shot group at 100 yards. I was running out of daylight so I only got to shoot one group with each of those bullets. I tested others but so far these were the best prospects.
@@erichandyauto also for what it's worth to you, I was running an older Vortex PST Gen 1 4-16x50 and I have only shot the gun suppressed, I got it home, pulled the muzzle break off, swapped the trigger for a Hiperfire EDT, and I put a standard Dead Air Nomad 30 suppressor on it all before taking the first shot with it.
Don’t you understand by requesting something the gun wasn’t originally sent for you screw up the whole process of assembly? I know it seems like you think it would be easier but if every customer did that they would never get anything done.. when the gun arrives it needs to have everything that’s going to be done to it at that time stated if not it will screw up the whole process and nothing will get done.. it’s just the way it is customer service
Mine absolutely sucks
What was there fix to make it eject better?
The head space was too tight and the rounds just got stuck.
Because POF piece of junk
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