Inconsistent Power Levels in Writing
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- Power Levels. Originally anime goof clowns but honestly its the only good term I could think of to define how powerful a character is in a story. The extent of their abilities. Sometimes stories are not consitent with how powerful a character is to make fight scenes. And yet people take pride in it. And its difficult to see the difference between pride and logic. Why would someone have a problem with Iron man losing? Is it because they like Iron man? Or because Iron man is way more powerful than a buffed normal guy? None. Iron man was just a psychopath. Civil war has a forced and contrived plot full of character assassination. Sacrifice logic for cool fights. For money. Still, dialogue is good and very refreshing for the mcu. The most real feeling mcu movie despite being one of the dumbest. Explain that brother bear.
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You're wrong, my good sir, one of my imaginary characters solos Uncle Grandpa
Sadly he doesn't
@@rpageiiithefourth6534"I ERASE UNCLE GRANDPA!"
"NOOOOOOOOOoooooo....."
**pop**
"Im- Impossible!"
"Good Morning!"
And then he gets ate by the belly bag
@@neroisntdead3681 he survived erasion. Uncle papa solos 🤤
You're so stupid, my imaginary character beats all your imaginary characters that beat Uncle Grandpa
@@rpageiiithefourth6534Uhm actually my imaginary character solos uncle grandpa and his verse because it literally defeated the weaver, saitama and the entirety of scp foundation with no difficulty and they are known as the most powerful beings in fiction cry about it 🤤
I believe this was why Squirrel Girl was written; to piss off all of the “power scale” debaters by having her solo Thanos with her squirrel powers & squirrel sidekick.
I don’t think that’s why she was written…
I’m pretty sure she was written as an April fools joke. + she was made before power scaling was even known
@@badvibes2259 Then it's a pretty good joke that aged well 😆
Thanos has had his ass kicked by everyone, so beating him isn't that big of an achievement. That said, I love Squirrel Girl
Yea
good to see someone else realizes how ridiculous and inconsistent most super hero media's power levels are. while it doesn't always result in the death of the story or someone's ability to enjoy it, it will definitely smear shit on the nostalgia you might've had for that movie upon rewatching it and actually understanding how poorly put together the conflict was because the writer's couldn’t help themselves but make characters either not use their conflict ending resources and abilities or ass pull abilities out of nowhere for certain characters so the plot could go in the direction they wanted.
also dante from dmc slaps uncle grandpa, cope.
Dante's face when 3 other shirtless uncle grandpas walk in with whips
@@RSG200 the three shirtless uncle grandpas' faces when Dante summons a doppelganger of himself and uses Dr. Faust to kill them by moonwalking like Michael Jackson
Funny. I'd like to see them both vs Batmite and Mr. Mxyzptlik. Especially Mxyzptlik, he's a lot meaner and hard core than Batmite, or the Johnny Thunder Thunderbolt.
Depends.
@@Resepticstalk to me when Dante hops to another game when his game gets deleted
whats also great about uncle grandpa, it's just nice to see a reality warping entity that uses its powers to help others instead of just causing mishief or bad chaos, got too many of these already.
Like i lost count
Fr bro.
Popeye solos neg diff
Freakazoid?
All he wanted to do was help people and tell them "good morning!" and everybody hated him.
I personally believe Wario is the most powerful fictional character of all time. There are not very many characters who display the ability to turn off their mortality on the grounds that they just don't feel like dying. Furthermore, if money is power, then Wario has all of it.
Funny thing is "man is too angry to die" is basically its own genre of character archetype. So yeah, there's that.
@@Coffy-chan Ah but Wario isn't angry. He distinctly does not give enough of a shit to die. He has one singular priority and it is money. If you boiled everything he's ever done down, it all comes back to making money in some form.
@@cjer6040 I know. I was pointing out there's a common character cliche that is nearly identical. The emotion is different, but there's a whole swath of characters, Wario included, that just said no to death, and it's beautiful.
Plenty of fictional characters solo Wario. You'll know that if you knew power scaling
@@catmario-_3170 There are ways to kill immortals after all.
There might never be a better example of HORRENDOUS power scaling than MCU Dr. Strange.
Can hold off Thanos and defeat an interdimensional force of limitless evil and power alone, but gets hit by a small monster's tail and folds like a chair.
oh shit. was not expecting to see you here man. great minds think alike i guess.
@@Reseptics Thank you my man, I'm humbled. Always feels nice to be recognized in the wild lol
And Wanda. And Thor.
I mean, he does still have base human durability.
I actually disagree. Dr Strange is more of a glass cannon. Incredibly powerful, but vulnerable if you get close enough.
Goku: *rips uncle grandpa in half*
Camera pans to the left
Uncle grandpa: “glad I’m not that guy”
All that about iron man is SO REAL bro. my friend was rooting for cap and i loved iron man. it was so heart breaking fr
iron man would’ve won though! he had cap beat, but bucky distracted him which made him lower his guard which cap used to his advantage
The fact that Iron Man almost won when he was at such a massive disadvantage is a win in my book
It was Cap's movie so they made him win no matter what. The og Mark 3 could stand hits from tank/anti-air shells. And here his suit gets broken by Cap's strength. Cap hits harder than a tank/anti-air shell? Sure lol. Or people will say Tony's suits started getting weaker from Iron man 3, but that was because of ptsd, and I thought he got over it after that movie.
Bro don't know that Barbie in 'Barbie Dreamhouse Adventures' is a 6th dimension being that can rewrite any reality to fit her narrative. She claps uncle grandpa any day. yessir
Explain more
Allosaurus fodder
6th dimensional is fodder
Barbie can fight?
Uncle grandpa cannot be hurt you know?
@princemc35 she was a superhero and a spy. of course she can
I saw a video where Stan Lee mentioned how he would get letters from fans when he was writing for Marvel, and a lot of fans would ask questions about who would win in a fight. And he would say, whoever the writer wants to win.
When there's no writer though, how does that statement work?
@@VunderGuy Sorry to break this to you but these are *fictional characters,* it is _literally impossible_ for them to do anything without writers getting involved!
Okay but can people not have fun about what chrecters could win? How are you spoused to hav fun@@Emmariscobar
@@VunderGuyIf there’s no writer then it doesn’t exist
@@VunderGuy The power of our imagination will decide who can win the battle through their fate. Anyone can be a writer.
It's the rule of cool baby. Consistency doesn't matter if the action scene is cool as shit. Also Uncle Grandpa beats Goku AND stage 5 cancer AT THE SAME TIME.
my favorite thing is watching fans using head cannon to try to explain bad writing... I'm guilty too but we shouldn't have to use our own imagination to suspend disbelief 😅
Im guilty of this aswell.
or worse
fucking morons straight up ignoring stated facts because their version is "better"
It works if the bad writing is a fluke, but if the writing is consistently bad give up already
I don't think that's really bad thing to do.
While I will never put myself into a power scaling debate because the whole thing is stupid, using head cannon is great way to enjoy more things in life.
It's not about actually believing your head cannon but using it as a tool to experience the good things that you like about the work in question.
For example, if i am presented with a comic saying: "spiderman then dogged Electro's lighting bolts and the kick him in the face". I'm not gonna think, "oh!!! spiderman reacts to light speed and can move at lightspeed too!!!". My head cannon instead will be, "spiderman just saw Electro's hand about to shoot the lighting bolt and he moved away quickly (slightly above average speed)".
Then, when in another comic or movie I'm presented with, " Electro's lightbolts track any living thing and the only way to dodge them is to move at light speed". I will simply ignore that part of the story like it never happen.
Why? because of the simple reason I like electro and spiderman fighting against each other, but I also like spiderman fighting against kingpin, if I were to believe both fights can have stakes and can happen in the same universe, then I rather gaslight myself instead of accepting stupid writting.
It's an internal head cannon, akin to supending disbelief but a little bit stronger. Still, there are sometimes were is found it pretty impossible to support some works of fictions when the writing is so incredibly incompetent, but for the most part, It did help me appreciate a lot more works than I would had before.
@@santiagovidelaleivawell spiderman go from 1 end of nyc to the other end in 7 sec soooo.....
The answer to how much a consistent plot matters is another question: How good are you at writing something that is so entertaining most of your audience isn't going to notice the inconsistencies? Sometimes a work of fiction sucks me in so much I don't even notice, other times I'll notice the plot contrivances the first time through. It took me years to realize that the T-rex pen in the original Jurassic Park transformed from level fern filled ground to a sheer cliff drop between scenes, it took me one viewing to realize that there was no way in hell enough dinosaurs escaped from the auction in Jurassic World 2 to form a stable breeding population (let alone spread a plague of dinosaurs across the whole damned world in the 4 years between it and Jurassic World 3) and that the movies treating weaponized dinosaurs as being superior to conventional military technology was stupid.
I was never terribly interested in jurrasic park, but when my family wanted to watch jurassic world, I checked out the moment they tried to use thermal cameras to look for a cold blooded creature, and needed to explain that it won't work because cuddlefish DNA.
what was it called? suspension of disbelief?
@@iwannaseehowlongyoucanmakethismore like testing peoples intelligence
@@mrinsomniac2968 are you one of those people who think they're so smart for being so goddamn nitpicky with every detail in every thing they've watched? Who points out everything, and can't enjoy anything or be entertained by anything unless it's absolutely correct and accurate? Because only those kinds of people would think of it like that.
@@iwannaseehowlongyoucanmakethis Nah, why would i? i just put basic attention to the story. Its as straight forward as its sweet. I enjoy everything and specially this lore
if you read this your a balls sniffer /j
The fact that biggest powerscailing channel's "DEATH BATTLE" main sponsor is BetterHelp is more than enough for the argument tbh
As someone who occasionally watches death battle thats pretty funny actually
I wish there were more people who like discussing about the canonical capabilities of characters for the sake of it being an interesting topic to analyze, instead of for the sake of pride. Although fiction can be inconsistent, it's all interpretable, and this topic leads to interesting discussions, which is pleasant when engaging with the right people.
Ok , i'll be honest : i think if you take it as an opportunity to do phisics exercises it can be intresting , like exercising your ability to guesstimate things can be fun and useful in the same way guys do phisical exercise ...
However the discussions around those topics and who would win ,
Are easily the most toxic ones i have ever seen ...
And the whole philosophy is one of "being stronger is more important than anything else a caracter could be"
Wich boiled bown to it's bare components is dumb .
Like if you stay there just to get deeply pissed at numbers you got from phisics homeworks then yes you've found the smartest way to ruin your day , congratulation ...
Also i generally have this idea about how stories are devided :
1) you get object driven stories : sherlock holmes , death notes , breaking bad ,
Stories in wich cause and effect are the soul of the entire thing , and so inconsistencies aren't tolerated : if in one scene walter white gets cuffed and in the next escapes by flexing his biceps , i will fully lose the intrest , the whole point is "how will walter get out of there ?" and if it's dumb then i lose intrest in full ...
2) theme driven stories : infinity war , flcl , one piece ecc. Ecc.
These stories are about the emotions you're supposed to feel and what message you're supposed to get away with : does it matter that kuro of the 1k plans loses in the dumbest way possible afther trying the dumbest plan possible ?
Not really , the point is that his lie is belived cause he looks respectable , while usopp isn't belived while telling the truth because he likes saying tall tales ,
The respectable disonest man vs the unrespectable honest man is the point , not wheter luffy can react to an hypersmart and superfast guy with knife hands ...
That is aestetics basically ...
Spectacle ...
Naturally these exist on a spectrum :
Clever riddles fill your mind ,
And deep themes change your life ...
Both will keep your reader coming for more
@@davidegaruti2582 I enjoy analyzing fiction in more ways than just how strong characters are too. I don't care much about which characters are stronger than others, it's just interesting to try ranking characters accurately or putting characters I know of in hypothetical competitions. The hypothetical scenarios can be a variety of different things than just strength tests.
There are characters I love who'd lose and I don't care. Doesn't change the quality of what they're from.
@@GenericProtagonist118 Exactly. The quality comes from how the characters are portrayed in general and can often depend on the context.
0:11 Rigby punching Benson makes a lot of sense here since by this point in the series he's gotten a lot better both mentally and physically. In season 3, he was actually strong enough to hit Mordecai in the face. And by season 6, Rigby was able to harm him again but this time on his arm. And by Season 7, Rigby passed a fitness test in order to create a video game where his results were "off-the-charts" in a good way. Plus Rigby did caught Benson off guard in that scene to which afterwards Mordecai was struggling to keep Rigby in place.
I know you didn't really talk about him nor the show for that matter, but I feel like wanting to point this out specifically since I absolutely love Rigby and Regular Show.
Rigby also is a master in death kwon do, and sucker punched Benson. Like idk if yall know how strong a sucker punch can be
Also Benson wasn't wearing his suit
@@DJPrimeAmvs Yeah he unfortunately had to destroy it. Great episode, sad moment.
This is a glorious comment.
Powerscaling nerds would probably watch Better Call Saul and say “this show sucks, everyone is like 10-C, can’t believe people like this crap”
lmao
@@RSG200 "bro I can't believe people think the machine gun scene is cool, that feat is MAYBE wall level and took like a day of prep time, that's not going to do anything against any actually good charchters like(insert generic isekai protagonist)"-powerscaling fan
And you only saw the Most toxic side of the community didn’t you
@@suethafung7461because 99% of it is toxic no sugercoating , and i say this as an average powerscaler 🤷♂️
I could draw a stickman and say he solos your verse no diff. Can't say i'm wrong cause i said he could do it 😌
spot on brother. Heres 10 rare tokens you can use to summon dudes at any time
He'd still be featless unless you create lore and a story tho. So one could argue death of the author.
Featless
OC fallacy 🥱
@@ogsavage9032 So from what I'm seeing from these replies is if I give the stickman a half assed story, dumb feats, and just play dumb for why he was made, he's good!
Doom Guy was more interesting when he was an angry guy on mars, now he is a literal soy jack's wife's boyfriend
@@cheesyztashCry more for generic marine man.
What hell is this coment
I think Doom 2016 hit that sweet spot of making him really fucking cool without going overboard. It felt kinda like a cheesey action movie where the protag is a badass but he still gets messed up in fights. Eternal made him super lame by just turning him into a Gary Stu.
@@cheesyztashI mean I thought it was kind of cute, and seeing two fandoms coming together was also pretty nice
@@eelshark12345 every protagonist from those cheesy action movies is a Gary stu
The worst example of this is Ash's pikachu losing to trace's lv 5 snivy in episode 1 of the Black and White anime.
Oh yeah and don’t forget also one tapping an onyx with a thunderbolt which I’m fairly certain isn’t possible since onyx is a ground type. So now you’re left wondering whether pikachu is a weakling fodder or a Pokémon that ignores the very reality of his own universe.
The series itself went through a soft reboot. On top of that it's more likely to imply that the snivy wasn't actually lv 5
@@DJPrimeAmvshe does stay that was snivy's first battle. But atleast pikachu got revenge later down the line
@@DJPrimeAmvsdidn't ash's pikachu stand up pretty strong against legendaries in the sinnoh leauge prior or heck just leauge strength pokemon MULTIPLE TIMES vs rookie trainer's first fight.
If I remember. Type doesn't matter if the pokemon is strong enough. A level 100 electric type would one shot a level 5 ground type for instance. But it's been awhile since I've played. So any Pokemon player who wants to correct me feel free.
Indeed, without internal logic a movie turns into a dream-like sequence of pictures. It sucks out tension and engagement and no amout of high-budget special effects will change that.
Remember people: Powerscaling characters is not the same as character studies. They’re both cool, but they are totally separate things.
Also, I agree that the TikTok edits are really dumb, except for the ones that are intentionally jokes, since they don’t have actual analysis or proper feats shown.
Edit: changed to feats
Iunno, I liked the Walter jr vs Hector, y’know? Cripple vs cripple
@@princetchalla2441Walter Jr. stomps.
@@user-tw3rh9po4t i dont think he physically can.
@@ninjdraw8305Who said I didn’t mean literally? /j
'me vs my dementia'
I like when they tone it down to human-superhuman range and get tactical. Like Kengan Ashura. There’s this one fight between Cosmo and the vigilante cop where it started close to relative…until mindsets started changing and Cosmo found himself fighting for his life against a man who lost himself to the bloodlust
Any power level can make for much better fights when that power level isn't the only thing that decides the course of it.
Tactics, mentality, and technical skill can weigh just as heavily as who throws the harder punch or any special powers the participants possess.
That isn't an excuse to ignore the power of the characters of course. Trying to create a compelling strategic interplay with inconsistent characters would be like building on a foundation of quicksand. It's an addition, an extra dimension that can make the fight more interesting
Kengan is fucking great dude
Um, clearly you don’t know that these characters just hold back or just didn’t get a full eight hours of sleep and didn’t eat there raisin bran so that’s why they aren’t consistent
quicksilver only got shot because he didnt have breakfast that morning it said so in the comics
Powerful characters < Well written character
Finally! Someone else asks himself why Thanos needs any stone other than reality as if reality isn't everything
stop asking questions XD
In the comics it's explained that that the reality stone stone is more general purpose and less easy to use without the others, especially in those aspects of reality the others are best at manipulating. The movies don't really go into that level of detail though, so they don't get a pass.
@@VunderGuy So the amount details you can manipulate with that stone is based on how many stones you have? I didn't read the comics but I'm interested in how the stones are supposed to work. Do the stones have something like a boost to the strength that is based on the number of stones, or do they have 2 powers (one power is the ability of the stone, the second power is like magic that boosts other stones)
@@anonymanonymus4706well depending on which comics run sometimes previous rules contradict each other
@@Xx_SuperPenis_xX oh ok
The infinity stones are basically a plead to have power inconsistencies. I mean, their names literally imply they have infinite power
Yeah this is something I was thinking about the other day. Each infinity stone could realistically wipe out the avengers. And thats by mcu rules.
Soul stone: It literally has the power to take someone's life instantly
Power stone: Enough power to wipe out a planet instantly. Could probably kill any avenger in one hit.
Time stone: Not only can you freeze time and kill them. You can control the age of anything like doctor strange did to that apple. Just freeze time and time stone everyone out of existence.
Space stone: Thanos uses it manipulate objects. He basically just gmods hulkbuster and puts him inside the wall.
Reality stone: You can control reality
Mind stone: This is is a powerful weapon buit honestly not as powerful as the other ones.
But yeah.
In the comics they only work in the same universe they were created in, if that's the case in the MCU, then the stones cap at universal. Pluss the TV guys had several stones in a drawer.
@@eobardthawn6903yes the same rule is applied in the mcu as seen in Loki when Loki finds a bunch of infinity stones but can’t do shit with them
@@RSG200my guess is that the infinity stones were limited by thanos imagination. A better example of the full power of the infinity stones is infinity ultron from what if.
@@obsidianquill7949 yeah no the proper infinity war is from comics
I remember Stan Lee answering the "which drawing would win a fight?" question and he said "it depends on the story being written" in a tone telling me that wasnt the first time he's had to answer such a dumb question.
FINALLY someone realizes the power uncle grandpa possessed and how he can defeat anyone and everything
If you think that a 5D character is the peak of power scaling then I cannot wait to introduce you to characters like Gilgamesh who is 25D.
You really 5d is above fiction????? Cmon bro
@@Camazotzer i cannot wait to introduce you to going outside
@@23373 Ohhh, very clever.
@@Camazotzer Touch grass.
I personally like powerscaling as a hobby, i don't really care about the pitting characters against each other aspect, i just like seeing where a characters power ends up at
I don't think that counts as a hobby, maybe using the internet I guess
I like the idea and the debate itself can be really fun. It's a good way to be introduced to new media through other people and talk about your favorite series, if you're in the right place. RUclips, Tiktok, and the vast majority of Reddit and Discord are not the right place.
@@Metawire61 yeah i agree, the best places are usually dedicated forums or websites for powerscaling
Its like all fandoms its a fun innocent thing until you het to deep into it then it turns into a toxic hell hole.
2:22 the master chief vs doomguy death battle one was genuinely stupid because they just had doomguy slowly walk forward
but your overall point i agree with
That and the fact the shield appeared after MC was hit and wouldn't be able to have a grenade thrown through it
Tbf, that was like... 11 years ago
That was literally before ID rebooted Doom Guy into the power house he is.
@@VunderGuy Doomguy was always a powerhouse. I'm talking about Doom 2 doomguy. He actually moves SLOWER in 2016 than he did in the original games.
To be fair Classic Doom guy is actually *slower* than Master Chief so it kinda makes sense
Stan Lee openly called out these same fanboys in an interview with the same quote about the writers choosing the winner.
It can really hurt the perception of certain characters sometimes tbh
It’s like the internet’s version of “my dad can beat up your dad”
I think it ultimately comes down to suspension of disbelief. If a story is enjoyable enough that you care about the characters and less about their abilities, when their abilities are treated more or less powerfully than has been established, you may not notice or care because you care about the characters. If it doesn't bug you until a while after the story, it probably worked for the story. If inconsistent power levels bug you in the midst of the story, it's probably more of a story issue, in that the audience hasn't become invested in the characters.
I really don’t believe that, if I’m invested in the characters but they start doing things that are impossible in canon or start beating characters they have no reasoning beating, I kinda think I stop getting invested because the writer will just do anything to make their plot work.
This is my biggest pet peeve with writing especially in comic movies. I'm of the opinion that if you can't write a character without cucking their abilities in a unintersting way then leave them alone.
Guys thanks for watching. And yeah I kept scrapping this video and then I started college and then when I started editing I wasn't willing to break my back in one day. So it took 3 days to edit. So yeah sorry for the absence. Crazy how much this channel has grown, its insane. Thanks to that speedster video. Crazy
Hey, your videos are quite good. High quality, good editing, funny humor, understandable lesson. The casual speaking tone reminds me of degenerocity, like "the voice of the common people" style.
So how come your speedster videos are the only known ones.
Consistency, consistency, consistency. You could write the most fantastical story but if the characters live in this universe and remain *consistent* with the rules you establish the audience will do the rest themselves. I once took two very inhuman things, a particle of light and a forest interacting with each other and figuring each other out in their role in the natural world. If you remain consistent, the audience can suspend whatever disbelief is needed. However, a writer needs trust in themselves and their audience to make this a smooth experience. Cause it’s easy to pick apart, Marvel doesn’t trust their audience to feel *anything* so your hand is held through the story which isn’t necessarily bad but are we writing home about Captain Marvel for example?
I have absolutely no idea what kind of story one can write about a light particle and a forest,i am kind of curious now
@@sapateirovalentin348 thank you! I’ve been studying lots of English literature, modern and Classic, and I’m happy to see my ideas are unique. Basically it would consist of this particle of light traveling to trees, the stones and plants to ask them what they are and what their purpose is while the light figures it’s own role and purpose. The particle comes across an ancient river that flows strong and rapid. It contains a wisdom from being there for billions of years and the two spend a long time sharing stories.
@@StridersBored it seem like some sort of wholesome folkloric fairy tail,its charming
That light particle story sounds pretty good! You mind if I take inspiration from this?
@@abdifatahomar2104 go right ahead. What was inspired if you don’t mind me asking?
I like doom guy for the simple fact that he’s not meant to be grounded in anything, every doom game is literally a power fantasy of ultra violence and I love it
Random example but just because Goku is a stronger character than Guts doesn’t mean he’s a better character… A LOT of power scalers just can’t grasp the difference between power and character. I hate it. When goku yells, his hair turns a different colour and he shoots a beam at “unnamed villain no.625”, I don’t FEEL anything. Any anime or show that has power levels as a big part of it is bound to be either absolute dogshite or have a fandom more toxic than a nuclear reactor. Instant subscription
That moment where I'm writing a novel and already have ridiculous power scaling feats in mind for the characters, including the preteen girl.
Like all things in life I blame dragon ball
You shouldnt
Dragon ball is what started it Uncle Grandpa is what finished it
That kind of seems like you actually haven’t watched dragon ball and just criticizing it because it’s the popular thing to do
@@LegendXD00 uncle grandpa claps those imaginary people easily
@@23373 and grandpa uncle claps uncle grandpa because he’s imaginary too
Im just sayin...Jesus beats any fictional character fight me
I will fight you. Where´s the nearest denny´s parking lot?
@@DetrimenttoSociety 2 streets down
@@drakootherat1735omw
I'm bringing the camera
Well of course.
Reality > Fiction
Man, didn't expect the feeling of catharsis I'd get from hearing someone make fun of that one very particular group of power-scaler manchildren. Y'all know the ones, but I never heard anyone call them out specifically before. A good reality check.
It’s to be expected for most communities to have *those* certain types of people. While I don’t claim to know the exact reason, I can guess that the majority of them seek the validation or justification for their preferences in media by putting other people’s down.
When Little Timmy says “Goku beats x and y”, it’s less so because Timmy actually thinks that Goku is somehow the strongest thing in existence and would solo real life or whatever, more so Goku being his favorite character and if his favorite character beats the other kid’s favorite character then that somehow means his taste and by extension himself is superior.
It’s one of the stranger ways to feed your ego. Even if one of them wins an argument somehow, they’ll end up getting more smug about themselves than just supposedly winning the argument.
Power scaling is fun, Vs Battles are also fun. Both stops being fun when people start to fight over them.
@@anhthai7005 Couldn't have said it better myself.
the example comments that you used in 2.16-2.17 are actually completely fine. they're expressing their opinion in a calm manner, and are making rational arguments
on a side note: i totally that making doomguy a god is stipid. and what's even more stupid is that there are people who actually think that makes the story better
Agreed, like classic doom is by far the best version
There not some overpowered god or something like that
There just a man. With skill
@@bred269 i don't mind him being supernatural to a degree (in fact, it would make more sense than "just a man"), but to make him this god who could ened the entire game in 2 seconds, but chooses not to so that he can "make the demons suffer more", is so fucking bad
If it were any other character, I’d be fine. But Doomguy’s whole appeal was the simplicity of him just being a strong dude who was angry enough to fight back Hell. Making him some Gary Stu omnipotent god of destruction removes his actual appeal and just makes him into a contrived plot device. It really doesn’t help that the game says he can do all this ridiculous stuff but barely ever shows it.
@@MrCritic77 i don't know if it "ruined" him or not, since i haven't played the original doom games, but yeah, the stuff the game says he can do is idiotic, even in doom 2016. like, the praetor suit is nigh indestructible? then why do i die to 3 fireballs?
Popeye solos Uncle Grandpa because he eats his spinach!
Powerscaling is fun though, yeah? Some people are too invested in their faves but you can have a lot of fun asking who would win with some friends, yknow? The only reason its fun is because you *don't* know who wins. If there was a 'correct' answer, what would be the point of discussing it? Some people get it messed up and believe that somehow they have the 'correct' answer of who would win when in reality that answer simply does not exist.
This is one of the realest guys on RUclips, anybody who starts seething and crying like a vet having ptsd flashbacks over a video pointing out known facts are dumb ASF, like the reason why people have stopped caring about or liking superhero movies is because the power scaling and plot is always manipulated in such an unnatural and unrealistic way that nobody actually takes things seriously, because they'll just base the story off whatever is convenient and not explain things like Thor out of nowhere throwing storm breaker through the power of all the infinity stones when the whole movie thanos was handling all the heroes with ease just because it was convenient for the story writers, pretty much making it look like Thanos was more powerful with less infinity stones, probably a hot take, but I could keep going forever explaining everything but this man is saying is based in reality and i think anyone having a meltdown over a different opinion is mentally deficient especially if the opposite opinion is based on a fictional subject.
powerscalers when i tell them that the authors are boundless and can make their favorite character lose to a turtle
Man, I just discovered your channel with the speedsters videos and all these videos are so down to earth, you say what is just needed to say and it's pure gold
Also in 5:26 I bursted out laughing, and I still am. I never actually paid attetion to the power levels in superhero movies, but when you actually analyse it it's pretty hilarious
Btw, Mr Mxyzpltk or Batmite solos Uncle Grandpa (?
Isn't it hypocritical of him to bash powerscalers tho when bad narrative powerscaling leads to a lot of the issues he has with speedsters that requires the same solution, namely, consistently, as any other bad narrative powerscaling problem would?
I’ve watched almost all the videos of you in the last few days.
Your content is far too good, please keep it up.
I am really surprised you didn't include Devil May Cry, don't blame me, Bury the Light is my favorite song, but seriously, I get very wtf'd in how many times Dante loses but then gets powered to oblivion, and (sometimes) loses again on another game, for DMC's Powerscaling making Dante a damn omnipotent figure to anh other universe he comes up against (this also includes Vergil, of course.)
Dmc is very interesting for example dante gets many new weapons with the pass of time so some enemies will be easier in other games becouse of the arsenal used ( dsd is broken ) yamato has too many uses. Sometimes dante is just tired like in the cutscene ,, fight " with vergil in dmc 5, the one right after fighting urisen 3. Dante defeated urisen but couldn't defeate vergil right after.
I ignore the who would win in a fight, what I care about is which character would win in non combat scenarios and other strange things.
Like Batman vs Captain America, who would win in an air hockey game.
What I find amusing is that people think this is a new thing with just superheroes.
There were entire websites back at the dawn of the internet dedicated to Star Trek vs Star Wars vs Other Fictional Universes. They were really popular, too. Xenomorphs vs a Borg Cube was actually an amusing one, most were what you'd expect.
Series with Overpowered mc are more consistent with power level because you know the mc is the ceiling, everyone else is below him, anyone who fights him will lose, the writer's only Job is to make it not boring which they fail.
i agree, most the problems with black panther come from the 3rd act, keeping me from liking it a lot, but i thought tchalla losing to killmonger made complete sense. killmonger is coming at him with killing intent, tchalla is burdened by just learning what his father did, and on top of that, he's obviously extremely against killing his own cousin. tchalla did essentially win at one point too--he couldve dealt a fatal blow and told him to yield.
i agree, killmonger winning was not the problem, he explained his whole training arc before they fought. he can handle t'challa if he's holding back, which he was
i think the scene is reasonable just because they weren't powered up and people lose fights. some people act like it's impossible but in an armed fight where you're non-superhumans, anyone can win. which is why duels in westerns and classic samurai movies can be so tense even when you know there's a power imbalance, depending on the plot the stronger character might lose and it's not inexplicable.
The problem with power levels honestly comes from two sources, as I see it. The need to churn out more content, with constant high stakes, and the increasing franchise-ization and crossovers. Using the same characters forces you to rubberband all their power levels together or selectively pick a winner based on what you want the story to do even if it doesn't make sense. And with continuing stories you constantly get faced with a need to introduce more threats of greater escalation. These ideas are as old as pop culture, even ancient mythologies have BOTH of these issues from time to time.
This is probably why cape stuff gets so ridiculous, because it's acting off of like an entire century's worth of material with constant crossovers and escalations. Letting casts function independently and having their own scale of strength and just bringing their stories to a close when the main plot line has ended and the author can't think of anything left for the cast to do are the solutions.
i don't even think you need to have super high power levels in order to keep making things more and more high-stakes, it's just that, from the beginning, a lot of franchises predicate their main struggles around the hero defeating some entity or something like that by getting new abilities or imrpoving, which can be satisfying, but simply does not have the same longevity as a character based drama where things are relatable and having new conflicts are easier to write. of course you see that less often in action franchises because that type of writing takes a lot of skill and effort to weave it in with the action.
I hate inconsistent power levels and the MCU is indeed a hideous example of just how bad it can get...
However, Civil War is not emblematic of that problem at all. In fact, it's probably the single best film in the MCU in that regard by a large margin.
Likewise, the reality stone example is a very valid one, but the ambush on Vision? Seriously? Of course two (alien) supersoldiers can take on Wanda and Vision if they catch them by surprise, immediately disable Vision's strongest ability, and relentlessly attack a desperate Wanda - how is that poor powerscaling? Also, how is Cap, Falcon, and Widow being able to handle a couple supersoldiers poor powerscaling either?
You made good points but it helps to not undermine them with unfitting examples among a collection of very apt ones.
Anyway, I look forward to more of your content in future!
Vision is as strong as any of the Avengers, possibly all of them. Age of Ultron outright said so.
Him losing to Corvus Glaive is fine. But then Corvus getting whooped by Black Widow mere minutes after, and losing to Okoye in Endgame, is not fine. Stop defending it.
@@TheStraightestWhitest Widow coming in with his energy weapon, slashing his thigh, and then impaling him is exactly how she would whoop a character like Corvus and good powerscaling.
The Endgame battle though… I have very little to say about Corvus in it because he’s only in it for split seconds, but I’m certainly not a fan of the scene itself. It has none of the care shown in a film like Civil War.
@@lupedust8931 This implies she's as fast and strong as Thor and people stronger than him, so no, it isn't good scaling.
@@TheStraightestWhitest Glaive is a good fighter than can tangle with super soldiers. Widow shreds him by taking him off guard with a weapon capable of harming him.
What is difficult to follow? Neither Widow nor Glaive are ever ‘as fast as Thor’. Please go watch the scene if it’s still confusing you.
endgame ruined all marvel for me
time travel is the worst thing you can doo to any movie. the only way time travel works is if there are strict rules like back to the future and you cant just asspull things without your timeline changing
I feel like both infinity war and endgame rushed in a lot of concepts into the mcu without fleshing them out. Like that scene in endgame where they find thanos on some planet and they're just gonna go to that planet. When rocket asks if anyone hasn't been to space and they all raise their hands. Like thats kind of ridiculous when you think about it. I think instead of messing around with ultron and civil war they should've started naturally progressing towards the infinity gauntlet storyline. Not just do it randomly out of nowhere.
Uncle Grandpa would 100% beat Saitama in a fight, not because of any specific power he has but because Saitama can only lose if it's funny.
However, no matter how powerful Uncle Grandpa may be, he would almost certainly lose to capitalism.
CAPITALISM, OH GOD
Just be a ligma male and dont pay ur taxes
Your holier-than-thou speech being followed by the cringiest shit I've ever heard is some delicious hypocrisy.
Its ok its all cool i don't think it matters but this vid mad funny 3:20 also i hate that "the writers decide who wins" they use they're brain and think about who really might win its not just "oH Cap beAt tHanoS cUz aMerIca" they make it make sense still this is cinema sins level commentary😂
Calling it “wrestlemania” was the best description for it
You making fun of powerscalers and vs battles videos LOL, too much gold, it's so accurate, it's insane.
I'm actually one of these vs battles channels, but i actually try to be as precise as possible as i do take it very seriously (i swear, it's not self promotion lol) and until yesterday i was having a back and forth with this guy insisting that God Of War was Outerversal.
TLDR; Loved the video and, as a powerscaler myself, it's pretty crazy to see a reflection of myself and the community! You gained a sub!
here goes the cringe...
Kratos scales to Outerversal - Boundless just from the fact that the Primordials existed before creation even existed and they transcend every concept imaginable except for the concepts that the Titans made because they're more powerful.
Brodie shut up. Bro sturggled flipping a building. He mountain leve lat most.@@godzillazfriction
People can always choose what they believe when it comes to powerscaling like the person above for example
Powerscaling becomes the most useless hobby when you realize we are arguing about abstract objects in our mind
Like man fuck ya'll spiderman beats scp 682 what you gonna do
@@Xx_SuperPenis_xX just because you believe that doesn’t mean it’s true lol. Your opinions don’t matter
@@Xx_SuperPenis_xX bro just because the charecter aren’t real doesn’t mean it’s useless. It’s just for fun
Mentioning Uncle Grandpa made me remember that trickster characters are built to mess with power scaling.
The scary thing is there are dudes who could demolish Uncle Grandpa.
Elder God Demon Bane.
Nu uh
@@jumix4000actually there is
Uncle grandpa has “I haven’t even tried yet”
Tho of course, there will always be a stronger character.
@@bred269 like BlackHat
Ungalo from JJBA is the most OP god tier character tbh. He can summon anything from fiction, thanks to his stand Bohemian Rhapsody. Want Uncle Grandpa? Bam he's here, Want Sonichu? Bam he's here literally anything from fiction even your crayon drawn fanfic can be summoned.
The doomguy vs masterchief one is understandable because it was made years before the reboot which made him into the unstoppable force we know and love. Old doomguy was no slouch but he's certainly on mastercheifs level.
Powerscaling might be cringey and dont really have much meaning but tbh its fun, i dont powerscale because "oh man superman definitely negs saitama no problamo man🤓" i do it because its satisfying, measuring another one's strength mentally, physical etc. i find it pretty cool looking at someone cool fighting someone else cool, im not trying to disrespect nor throw away some other character i do it because i wanna see my favorite heroes go up against each other because why not tbh. Once again not shitting on the creators and i get what your saying im just puttin my opinion in.
i think you spend a bit too much time clinking on links and watching things you know will just make you mad.
I’m not a therapist but I think you’re right
I've fallen in love with this channel, wish you all the best man! 🎉
I think w a lot of powerscalers, they’re insecure about their intelligence and that’s why they debate so hard, it’s like to prove something to themselves
People like to see their favourite character win its not that deep
Power scaling is a dick measuring contest not a damn thing is gained from it other than a argument that goes nowhere.
@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 you know what’s funny, it’s not even a debate it’s an argument like you said. These people are already going into their argument on the premise of not changing their opinion. I have never seen a debate where one person conceded and admitted that their character is weaker than the other.
To be fair the fight with thanos, he was overpowered and they did make the fight fast enough to intentionally prevent opportunities from thanos pressing the i win button: It was a good way to write an op villain: Strange counter hax him and no one else lets go of his glove
Love this video so much
Really good video
Okay, so what if, and hear me out: you don't see the normal people that like power scaling because a normal person will not write a paragraph on why darkside stomps condiment king. If we where to judge every community by it's loudest and worst part, literally no community would be safe. None at all
This guy gets it, "powerscaler" is such a vague and undefined term you could consider anyone who has ever expirienced fiction a powerscaler, if they thought and "measured" the characters power even a little bit, I guess they are a tiktok vs creator debatelords now who only care about character power.
I like and occasionally do a bit of powerscaling and even debate but i try my best to be nice and not take it to the personal, but the guy who made the video and many antipowerscalers will never acknowledge powerscalers like me, its only the extreme wrost examples, you can easily paint any large group of people as horrible idiots if you cherry pick the wrost ones.
There are levels of skill in power scaling there are the masters and the random people on TikTok which are the lowest level
Ur heavy breathing through me off😂😂
6:30 to 6:41 - Thank heavens I wasn't the only one thinking this when I saw Endgame!
The reader shouldn't know what the writer is doing, at least not so simply, have the reader guess for awhile, and if there is an answer and not just for interpretation, give it later, show it later.
They also shouldn't be able to tell if certain things are happening because of 'plot', if they can, then you have a mid movie
Maxwell from Scribblenauts IS the strongest character in fiction. Period.
Power is not compelling without it's constraints. Power scaling is analyzing the amount of power, and the amount of constraints, to see if a match up makese sense.
You are literally the only person in this entire video and comment section including the one who posted the video who actually understands powercaling and that it is a completely neutral action, while also recognizing high levels of power are usually boring, I applaud you for having braincells
uncle grandpa solos curious george
Yes. YES! Finnally, someone fkin said it.
oh god imagine uncle grandpa vs bobobo the multiverse would shatter
Totally agree about Infinity War. After the movie, I was somewhat hoping for the comic storyline to be adapted, where Thanos subconsciously wants to fail, hence how much trouble he had in the fight on Titan. I also don't understand why Iron Man would even be able to deflect a direct blast from the Power stone. Still love the movie, but the action left a lot to be desired.
Thank you so much for pointing this out it’s such a problem with the boys because someone will say “ Omni man solos” even though homelanders a better character and it’s the only validation invincible fans live up to
Omni-Man is a much better written character and Invincible season 1 sweeps all three seasons of the boys
@@merplebergnpc
@@merpleberg fr I'm so tired of The Boys fans lol. It's literally a bunch of manchildren trying to dunk on the superhero genre while Invincible is a celebration of it
ewwww that spiderman kissing doctor otto was cursed asf that shi caught me off guard man why u do me like that🤣
2:20 Dude, DUDE, DUDE! I Know Right? The tiktok Versus videos are so unbelievably brain dead, I can't stand it
to be fair some of those vs edits do go hard
Just found your channel and i normally think this type of content is cringe but youre so funny im binging it
I dont understand how people spend so much of there lives trying to justify why one character would beat the other the only merit vs matches have is the potential to be turned into a fun spectacle
my thoughts exacly lmao.
I mean people just do it for entertainmeant.
0:23 PETER WTF?!
the only power level that matters to me is the fact that harrison ford beat the shit out of ryan gosling in the studio set of bladerunner 2049
Lmao the guy at 3:40 talking about mcu Cap being weaker than comic Cap even though it's known that 616 Cap only has peak human strength. MCU cap is the one that's buffed, but these guys are so blinded by their bias they don't listen to reason or logic.
Fictional character: Me
Power: Saying your character sucks
Beats: all of fiction.
Shounen "my fav character solos" mfs when I show them the power of poeerless characters thst make the story intetesting without any crazy abilities:
One nitpick I have with this video is that Thanos intentionally didn’t kill anyone in infinity war. He didn’t want to take any more lives until he could let the fully powered gauntlet make “the ultimate choice” of who gets to live in the new universe. Once Thanos puts on the gauntlet he only kills Loki, a character who lied to him and tried to put a knife in his throat, and people he must kill to obtain the stones (The Collector, Gamora, and Vision.) Yes Thanos COULD have wiped the avengers with just the reality stone, but he did not WANT to do that.
One big way you can tell this motivation is true is that he actually doesn’t kill a SINGLE CHARACTER with the infinity gauntlet. Until he… ya know…
Yeah but he could have still atleast handicapped them to prevent them from fighting back.
@@aadicariappa2344 he does do this to several characters. He turns Drax and Mantis into playdo. He lodges Bruce in a wall. He summons down the meteor on Titan to distract Spiderman.
I now want to see uncle grandpa vs giorno, toru, Prismo, and darkstalker
So this is a video of a guy whining about people who whine. huh
Dont care uncle grandpa solos your family
Don't care popeye solos your mom yo dad and your entire bloodline.
Ignoring the 2 dudes above me. Yeah it's a lot of crying from both sides
I hate the whole "ki control" thing in Dragon Ball Super. Like yeah, the villains are intentionally not destroying the planet. Especially Broly who can't control his power, like gimme a break 🙄
it would be interesting to see a video like this about shonen anime stuff, there's plenty of bullshit there too, but in general it seems that shonen stuff will at least make an effort to kinda define the scope of its power systems enough to at least sell the idea that there's some kind of ruleset and constant tying different character's abilities toghehter in a way that makes characters more comparable, like how usually different powers still stem from different facets of the same life energy, ki, or whatever thematic gimmick the series operates under, as opposed to have every character's powers be its own thing with no real consideration of how it affects other powers.
of course this all matters only to a certain degree cause ultimately power scaling is not make or break to the enjoyement of a story unless it's so egregiously stupid and forced that literally anyone can pick it apart like CW Flash, but nonetheless Shonen stuff at least seems actually interested in working with power systems to write the story as opposed to just reuse the same classic stock super powers and ignore their implication on the fights and story at large completely like superhero stuff tends to do.
plus, I just recomend you to watch HunterXHunter because I think it's neat and it seems like it would make for a good subject for these kinds of videos as the power system in that series works kinda like an RPG where all facets of the power system are balance and have counters to each other, there's probably some bullshit in HxH, but the power system is undeniably intricate and thought out, which helps with the whole "selling the idea of an actual ruleset" that i talked about before, though it does come at the cost of characters explaining their techniques a lot, which I personally don't mind, but it is undeniably a cliché.
My man trying to argue shonan anime is more consistent than western comics? Laughable
@@zeevdrifter2707 not saying it's more consistent, far from it, (depending on series cause some actually do bother with consistency while others are exceptionally bad and the rest is mid about it) I only said they actually focus on the power system as a plot point, while western comics only aknowledge super powers to justify their existence in the world without any real categorization to tie verious different powers toghether.
I mean, certain series like JoJo's even make the fights themselves almost their own stories really breaking down how each specific powers work, whereas western comics tend to not focus so much if at all on the made up mechanics of their powers.
@@nonsonomoltobravoconinomi1531 truth
@@zeevdrifter2707 I agree with the nonsonomo guy, it's mostly because western superheroes series has disinterest in actually building a robust rule sets of power, so most of the time characters just has a powers because of a single explanation, while in shonen, at least there's a power system and rules that tries to tied everything together like Ki, Chakra, Nen, Mana, and many more.
In western superheroes series, if you have a fire power, they usually explain it as "oh, this guy is an alien", or "oh, this guy get the power from this god", or "they inject themselves with a serum which evolve their body to create fire", there's no consistent explanation since they each have different sources of power, while in shonen like Naruto, if you have fire jutsu's, it's from chakra with a specific affinity for it. This at least will make the power your character has cannot be just bullsh*ted away (you can't just bullsh*t a character in Naruto can throw a fire because they just can) since you already explain the source and need to follow the rules you've given to the audience. With power system in shonen, there's an explanation if you ever exhaust yourself (not physically) through the continues of using your power (like running out of Chakra or Ki), while in western superheroes, you seem to be able to spam your power indefinitely.
There can be the same number of inconsistency and bullsh*t explanation in shonen for sure, but at least they tries to tied everything together and come up with an explanation based on the rules they made.
@@alpguy4865 evidently you think everything being tied together by some single reasoning is good, our own universe doesn't even work like that, we assume it does because we're pattern matching apes, not truth machines.
shonan power systems are reflective of everything from the East, which is to say shit imagine your culture is so far gone that you imagined heaven as a literal bureaucracy, what an utterly stunted kind of mind would project that to the universe, I do not know.