Speedsters DON'T Lose to Bad Writing?? - Youtube Comments Try to Defend Bad Speedster Writing
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- Guys the original video is one of the most succesful videos on my channel. So thank you guys for that. It went from like 1k to 8k in a week which is so crazy. I want to thank you all for that. I did spend a long time on that video so its nice to see the work paying off. And this video too. Although I have to admit. I don't think many of you read the description but if you do be prepared. I did not write a script for this video. And i usually do. So it probably could've been written better and honestly I probably should've scripted it but since i was looking at comments i wanted the responses to be genuine. I don't think this video had to be super serious and well made. Just a fun time. But yeah.
Guys honestly im getting pretty tired of talking about fictional rules. With my video blowing up i have also been exposed to way more stupid 3 iq comments than ever and that bothered me for sure. But I did see a lot of other good comments. But those bad ones. Oh my. But yeah this is probably the last speedster video. And i do not like talking about super hero science because it usually is so inconsistent and it hurts my head. Infinity war had so many plot holes that it was crazy. But it was still a good movie. And thats what matters. So to all these 10 dollar npc people who actually care about fictional characters winning fights, go back to the adoption center please. And for people who like tik tok edits, go clap yourself. Love yourself.
Alright but yeah guys thanks for watching. I guess ill post random links down below.
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metro man is the perfect example of a well written speedster and op character, he was literally untouchable and he only "lost" because he wanted to lose.
Dude I love megamind so much. Genuinely one of my favorite super hero movies ever
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@@RSG200I want to live in the universe where Megamind (besides it’s impact on meme/internet culture) and Despicable Me’s success is switched. The MMCU would go hard
@@RSG200bro a thing no matter what you call bad writing or good writing it happening to same guy in same continuity so ya those are also ways to DEFEAT them.
And for omni man part I think it's reaction speed . Rather than actual speed .
Reaction speed can be better than actual speed in many cases .
As for apoklips one.
First quicksilver punches are not damaging him much . He after getting punches many times predicted trajectory cause you do realise Speedster run in straight line mostly and quicksilver was cocky at that time.
@@abhijeetgolder7535just because he has fast reaction time, the show clearly says that he was assigned earth. NO OTHER PLANET. He has been living in Viltrumite until he went to earth, there was no proof of Invincible or Omni Man to have super speed. Plus if he did have reaction time he wouldve killed him faster than getting hit 3 times, even in the video it has so much proof that he does not have fast reaction time here is no other (seen) speedsters in the 2 planets. You could argue that the planets they have conquered has speedsters, but judging by Omni Man's simple explanation to Invincible, I dont think there is any people in those planets that ARENT viltrumites.
I think speedsters failing work if their flaws are shown beforehand (a trains health issues, newer flash being clumsy or overconfident, the speed either being on a time limit or not overwhelmingly fast ect) great video!
Yeah in my original video I gave a train a pass. I actually think the health issues were compelling and interesting. And the zack snyder flash I think i also gave a pass. He does make some really dumb decisions but so do a bunch of other super heroes throughout most super hero movies. I didn't like that he got shot in the last scene tho. But yeah thanks for the support i love you
@@RSG200yeah I like that we see Superman begin to react to flash before he actually starts fighting him so it's not just bullshit "haha I predicted you"
Worm (webnovel) has speedsters but they all have to phase out of reality or otherwise lose the ability to interact in exchange for their speed, and have to slow down in order to do anything, which really helps keep them from taking over the narrative
@@amiablereaper Damn, a random Worm reader in the wild; never thought I'd see another, especially so far in the future after it finished so unsatisfyingly (that timeskip was so poorly done, I still say).
@@KainYusanagi I dropped off of Ward, the sequel series, at around arc 8 or 9. Do you mean the timeskip after khonsu first appears? Eh, I have issues with worm but not with that.
Which ending was unsatisfying? Worm or Ward?
I honestly really like how Worm ended.
I couldn't tell you how ward ended tho lmao
@@amiablereaper Talking about Worm. The timeskip was between Scarab 25.5 and Scarab 25.6, two years just poof and suddenly everyone is completely different, the story is basically an entirely different one, and a lot of BS that references what happened during the timeskip *THAT WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO READ ABOUT* happens, too. That's what really irks me about the timeskip- it was an actually vital and interesting time of character development and knowledge about the world, but we weren't allowed to read about it, only see the many references to it as if digs against us readers. And considering that at the time I knew Wildbow and was friends with him, gaming and chatting with him frequently at the time, I feel rather confident in saying that it was spite, too, though it wasn't just spite that motivated it, of course (burnout was hitting him hard at the time, and he wanted to just get it over and done with, as I recall). It really soured my whole experience with Worm and I never even got into reading Ward because of it.
I think it’s important to note that if a person has super speed they automatically have super strength, whether traditionally or not. A speedster may not be especially strong, but if they can hit someone at a few times the speed of sound that means their fist is travelling at thousands of kilometres per hour, that’s a lot of power no matter how strong they are.
I feel like this is forgotten a lot.
Yes this is fucking science
If a meteor with a lot of speed lands on earth, we are fucked
But if is one with truly low speed, nothing happens
Being able to fucking slow down time space is broken as hell, may be considered a God at this point
if a lame ass alien will see you moving or hell, tanking beyond light of speed PUNCHES is stupid af
Durability too. Just the speed alone. The reason a bullet kills you isn't because of its sharpness. It's the speed. You can take a bullet and tap it into your chest. Does it kill you? No. It's not a scalpel. It's the velocity that kills.
You moving at the same speed would hold to that same rule. If you move at bullet speed (take a 9mm, let's say a bit below Mach 2), almost the exact same as a bullet hitting you would happen to your entire body. You'd be a pulp INSTANTLY. And if you were to hit something at that speed, it'd be outright identical.
So yes, speedsters are also insanely durable and strong. Your durability always matches your strength and speed. It's inevitable. If you can lift a skyscraper, your body still has to hold that weight, and thus your muscles and organs and vessels are more durable than the entire mass of that skyscraper. If you can run at Mach 100, you can basically live without oxygen and have enough durability to withstand over 2000 degrees celsius.
It's why I like The Flash. As usual, he's the best written Speedster, because The Speedforce is literally a reality altering power. He phases in and out of existence essentially.
The same goes the other way around.
Most strength heroes have/should have enhanced speed, due to having more powerful muscles.
A good example is Spider-Man with his enhanced strength and reflexes borders on speedster capabilities.
@@TheStraightestWhitest yes exactly. That's why A-Train obliterates Robin when he hits her.
4:53 Even if he has faster reaction time, it doesn’t matter if he lacks the speed to match it
Exactly he’d just perceive himself getting punched and wouldn’t be able to do anything about it since he doesn’t have the speed to match
Thats not how agility works. Agility and speed are two DIFFERENT things😭🤦♂️. Speed is how fast you can move from point A to B. Agility is the ability to change directions and accelerate and decelerate when needed. A footballer or basketball would have better agility than a Sprinter...and it just MAKES SENSE why they would💀. ANY Pro MMA fighter would have better agility than a sprinter
So Omniman doesnt have the Speed to match but he has the AGILITY to🤷♂️. Idky basic superhero powers have to be explained. Any acrobatic Hero/Villain you can think of have been doing these things for decades😭. Dodging Bullets, Dodging Lightning...yet they CANNOT RUN at those speeds. So just cause Red Rush can run fast...it doesnt mean his Agility is the best in the series since they are DIFFERENT skillsets😂
@@no.1spidey-fan182oh hey you’re that one guy that he flamed 💀
@@Midnightfr he barely formed a coherent sentence. Not my fault he doesnt understand the difference between agility and speed and is butthurt that red rush got caught💀
@@no.1spidey-fan182 A bullet isn’t smart enough to change course midair. When heroes dodge bullets, what they really do is see where the guy is aiming and get out of the way BEFORE they fire. But if Omni Man saw where Red Rush was aiming at him and prepared to block, Red Rush would just notice where he blocked and attack somewhere else
I think you can have your "time in a bottle" moments, but two prerequisites are necessary to ensure consistency. First, super speed should only be an active ability that requires concentration and energy. Second, achieving the speed that slows down time or even reverses time should be at the upper limits of superspeed, requiring even more concentration and energy.
Damn! Never thought of it this way! I knew that superhuman characters don't always have to go all out but this is a nice way of presenting the super power!
That works but then it brings up a whole new issue, the energy. Is it stamina based? If yes then they should never tire outside of those extremes. If it's based on some outside energy they interact with then what is stopping them from just using it all the time?
All problems that can be worked into a story reasonably but if these writers can't even understand basic superspeed then I doubt they can deal with the superspeed tied to complex energy systems.
@@luisgay5897 I imagine it like a sprint vs a marathon, the sprint is so much shorter and very taxing immediately, but a marathon, sure you tire out too, but you go at a pace that you can handle for a long time
@@johngr1747one of my favorite unique depictions of super speed is actually from an anime called Charlotte, in which one of the main characters has super speed, but his perception doesn’t increase at all. This leads to him literally running through walls and getting hurt on accident because he doesn’t know when to stop exactly.
@@NasirAli_1oh yeah I know that anime! His power is actually 'teleportation' but it's really just super speed lmao
Damn….you know I’m starting understand why writers downplay speedstars it would be pretty hard trying to remember how fast your character has to be and try not to make your speedsters TO op
They're already too OP when they can ignore inertia and wind resistance. Being able to cut through the air at mach 1.46 means you can absolutely rip through an armoured truck at 200 km/h unscathed. You can not only already instantly kill everything, but it would be more difficult to not since you would have to carefully regulate your speed as to not contort your enemies too suddenly and make them into paste.
Well a lot of speedster are like faster than light which would require infinite energy and the force from them hit air molecules would evaporate the planet
@@themanimal369
Even speedsters that can be reasonably measured in mach like described above would not be functional within dense city limits because the sonic discharge from thier running would do so much property damage. A-Train is already suspension of disbelief that he is not ruining every window and tripping every car alarm within two blocks as he runs.
@@gamerdomain6618writs could just make the argument their alternate universe has slightly different physics to ours (of course they’d have to display that) I mean we already know biology is different among alternate universe’s considering superman seems to confirm people from alternate universe’s have their organs switched around.
Being speedster is like time stop on steroids, you simply cant not make it op, this is why Flash fights either other speedsters or someone 10× smarter than him, like Cold(Cold is basically redneck tony stark)
I love how Wakfu implemented super speed into Nox. He can literally just manipulate time, for himself and his surroundings- including his opponents, though some are able to resist the latter such as the dragon. It also has a finite resource to draw from which he is fighting in order to steal, so he has a motivation to not waste a ton of it in combat just to ensure instant victory against most opponents.
Didn’t expect to see a wakfu enjoyer in a vid on speedsters lol
I didn't expect to see @@dezman311
@@dezman311I havent heard anyone Else mention Wakfu in years.
You're absolutely right. Every "Time in a Bottle" scene is basically a time-stop power. If they made it an actual time-stop, it'd solve so many problems. (For starters, why gravity speeds up...) When they show Superman suddenly able to match the Flash, they're essentially trying to show him resisting a time-stop, the same way the dragon does in Wakfu.
But it all falls apart because he's actually supposed to be moving that fast, and he obviously can't.
Wakfu mentioned 🎉
Speedsters shouldn’t lose at any point of time, but when you have speed equipped in your arsenal, you have some type of chance to counter and have those abilities in some sort of way.
I think speedsters should be able lose based on their personality. And you don't have to be a speedster to beat a speedster. Alot of speedsters are cocky and tend to heavily underestimate their opponent. Which the opponent can use to bait them when they are lax and confident. Maybe you can't move fast but you can react fast and your power is fast, with that you can get a speedster. Knowing that their opponents lack super-speed, speedsters might overestimate their abilities and become overconfident. This can lead to lapses in judgment and strategy, allowing their opponents to capitalize on their mistakes.
Many characters who lack super-speed can possess powers or gadgets designed specifically to counter fast-moving opponents. This could include traps, energy-based weapons, or even telekinesis to immobilize the speedster. Utilizing super-speed consumes an enormous amount of energy. Characters with this power can't maintain it indefinitely. They may tire quickly, leaving them vulnerable to opponents who can outlast them in a battle. If an opponent can survive the initial onslaught and wear down the speedster, victory becomes more attainable.
There are a bunch of ways speedsters can lose. Some just aren't as believable because the writers don't show the speedster full weaknesses and strengths.
@@teshayweatherspoon9704 I concur to your arguement.
An Important enemy of the speedster is Momentum. CW expressed this sometime but did nothing with it.
Even if you can run fast you still have to aim or change directions, which takes time and ability.
By the look of it, most speedsters can't actually fight.
@@achimdemus-holzhaeuser1233 neither time nor ability will ever be a problem... just replace the ideia of a speedster for someone with the power to freeze time, and you understand it better.
you wouldn't need to "run" in order to fight, just slowly walk toward your opponent in your super speed mode and do whatever you want.
@@raphaeltw For most, I would agree, but this isn't true to all speedsters. As you said, replacing the idea of a speedster with the power to freeze time is a good way of explaining it, but only if that is how the character's power is portrayed. For the majority of speedsters, this is how they are portrayed, so this statement works for most speedsters, but you said "ever" and this statement doesn't work as an absolute.
Dash, for example, is basically shown to NOT have super reactions. Yes, his sense of where he is in relation to himself seems to match his speed, but his outwards senses don't have that, as shown by him running into the swarm of bugs during the "100 mile dash".
Basically, if speedster's power is literally "Can move fast" and basically nothing else, comparing it to time stopping isn't accurate.
@@alexharris6808 The body it's not something that exists separate from the mind, and vice versa, you can't have a super fast body without having a super fast mind, cause a super fast body would not even MOVE super fast without a super fast mind, or worse lol, it would just move in normal speed since it would just get the normal synapses it gets from the normal brain.
if you move faster than even mach 1, you gotta have super durability, super senses, super reaction, and probably a power to control air (most scenes don't show a wake of destruction or flaming air as a speedster passes through)
and yes, Dash is probably one of the most well written characters that have "super" speed (although he's pretty slow tbf)
He's only slow compared to speedsters who shouldn't be losing (at least) half their lost fights. Compared to most superheroes, especially in his universe, he's pretty fast.
He's a 9 year old of course he would be slow.
If he reaches adulthood prime he should surpass Mach 100 easily.
I hope we get to see it
not if it works differently in their universe and they have that difference stay consistent throughout the medias lifespan.
While I agree on the fact that Red Rush was being stupid during the fight with Omni-Man, at least he lost to the most powerful man on the planet, instead a dufus with a gun. Two wins out of three isn't bad. Yeah he's dead now, but he lost to Omni-Man as opposed to some random mugger.
One thing to note about Red Rush is that he was, by all means, holding back. The rest of the Guardians were confused about why would Omni Man attack them, even theorising he was controlled, and he was a friend to them still - meaning they were at very least trying to pull their punches somewhat. Until Red Rush got caught lacking, that is.
But why was he caught lacking? Why, it's because he was pulling punches! You can notice, during the fight, that he slows down a little every time he punches, and I think it's because punching somebody at full speed would fuck them up enough that he's just anxious about doing it - Omni Man IS a friend to him, after all, even if he's acting weird and dangerous and obviously needs to be stopped. Stopped, but not killed - and, therefore, Red Rush pulls his punches. That, or it perhaps would actually hurt his hands to do so?
Regardless, he slows down his punches to only punch at a fraction of his speed and only starts going all out while being crushed alive, but at that point his speed is no longer relevant, aside from his punches being strong enough to make Omni man cough up blood. Which is, uh, no small feat (that's internal organ rupture we're talking about here), especially against somebody as durable as Omni Man.
@@Levyafan I think it would be a problem of breaking his hands as was shown by his practically bloody stubs wailing on Omni-Man. Still, at least it was Omni-Man who killed him instead of a dufus with a gun.
Good point
@@LevyafanI mean when he begins to get his head crushed he clearly stops holding back and punches omniman enough to tear through his costume, bruise him, and make him start pushing blood out of his face
@@Levyafan that doesn't matter
One realistic weakness to give speedsters might be relativity. According to General relativity, the faster you are moving the faster you perceive the rest of the universe moving. So if a speedster moves too fast then their perception can’t keep up with their speed and they’d be vulnerable to running into obstacles. This would force speedsters to keep their speed in check or risk death.
I would love to see a speedster actually have to account for this
tfw flash ignores physics because le speed force
@@killianobrien2007 A-Train in The Boys did run into Hughie's GF at the start so theres that
Calorie management should be a huge weakness for them
@@uns33nbois81 but then later is show to perceive the world in slow motion so they kinda goofed there. the one justification I hear is he was on drugs then, which may be possible
The biggest problems seem to be "style vs function" where stylistic interpretations are preferred over the actual way the power functions. Red Rush stopping after every punch is probably a stylistic decision for the audience and not representative of his actual movements for example.
Admittedly I haven't seen Invincible myself so I don't know if this is true, but going by what clips were in the videos, I imagine it's a matter of "Limited animation" where to save money they animate less frames, and use different stylistic things to try and mask it, in the case of punches, usually waiting a few extra frames on a connected hit to emphasize power.
Realistically though, and this is just my opinion, if you're gonna do a show about a speedster it might be better to go the extra mile for animating special sequences, or in the case of Red Rush vs Omniman, maybe show that RR is just booping him quickly and dodging out of the way, deliberately _not_ holding on frames where his punches connect to emphasize that "Yeah, he's hitting him, but it ain't doing much"
i always felt like the stopping was Omni-Man focusing his reaction time on the punches to help anticipate the grab. like using the same sense that helps him react when flying super fast. but i could definitely be wrong! idk when you see his eyes shifting as red rush keeps punching him, it definitely feels like he’s focusing harder than before and trying to think of the fastest way to stop him.
Guys there were way more good comments than bad comments. So I wanna give you guys all awards for having logic. Thanks
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I'm working on a comic book about different types of Speedsters vs each other with something like organic mutants vs science lab metas using tech to create fields that allow them to create a "time bubble" that slows their environment that negates a speedsters powers.
Beside absorbing or depowering a Speedster I'm trying to figure out how other supes can genuinely can put up a fight against FOX X-Men Quicksilver when he isn't being tripped...because speed react, like any task demands attention and you can be playing a sport and not see the ball coming right at you because you're still in the middle of another demanding task and...not concentrating? And even when a Speedster trips doesn't that turn them into a ball of flame like projectile? Not that they die or get seriously injured coz they have to get up but how much damage would that mistep cause? Think A-Train but in a crowe full of people.
So basically the speedster in my story is on the run for making a mistake that kills TONS of people and now like the original Hulk is on the "run" from different Supers with their own reasons like Superman (Justice) + Homelander (Corporates want his DNA) + Reverse Flash (Revenge) + Flash Family (bring him back home coz people who can access the Speed Force are like Wonder Woman's people, hidden from the world of man) + Magneto (to recruit or kill). Thus far my version of Magneto is the only solid non speedster or Superman Iike I can see "easily" defeating other speedsters using magnetic fields.
Absolutely NO TIME TRAVEL because no. If I could run a couple of ideas by you it would be much appreciated.
@@SomeOfMyBusiness Sorry for seeing this so late. Sure I'll help. Very cool that you're making a comic book. Let me know and I'll help in any way I can.
@@RSG200You didn't mention Sonic in your video...
He's the only speedster to have his own movies
@@EggFighterXB- Forgetting "The Flash"... Literally a movie named and made after a speedster...
@@EliteMicah That's a Batman and Supergirl movie.
There's like 3 Batman in the pic
AIN'T NO Way SOMEONE SAID MCU QUICKSILVER IS FASTER THAN FOX💀💀💀💀💀
yeah, faster at dying.
Yeah, Fox Quicksilver literally goes thousands of times faster than the speed of sound, MCU quicksilver can maybe hit mach 5. That is clear even just by watching their movies
I actually really liked the speedster in mha vigilantes, instead of just giving him an endless 300 mh sprint just give him like 1 second of god mode that needs to recharge, and i think they did great things with that.
I think a "Time in a bottle scene" could work without making the character extremely broken if it was handle like in Avengers Age of Ultron when they're all fighting in the cargo ship (I think that's what is was) right before the hammer scene, while everything does seem slow and the speedster is moving at what seems a regular speed to us the viewer all of their decisions still seem extremely rushed like if we were watching a bullet travel in slow motion
For those who still don’t understand he is not talking about why some one is faster or slower he is just talking about the inconsistencies in writing a speedster. One moment a speedster is able to slow down time to almost halt and other times they get beaten by slower characters. Yes you can say that Omni Man or Apoclypse also have fast reflexes but then they also loose to bad writing because they find it difficult to deal with slower enemies.. like Omni man was able to react to red rush means he has faster or same reaction time as red rush but he finds it difficult to use that reaction time against normal enemies.
Omni man beats literally everything on earth though? Every time he's portrayed as struggling in some way it is against super powered people/tech that could also have some level of super speed
Omni man does use super speed in the show though. He used super speed to go to the dinner table in episode 1, Mark used super speed in episode 2 to hug Nolan, and Omni man used speed react in episode 8 in the subway I think
so why dont use super speed to important things like dont being hit?
@@davidosorio869 bad writing
@@davidosorio869idk, werent the original idea from the video to talk about speedsters getting nerf by the script?
@@davidosorio869I don't think Omni Man cared about being hit, not only is he that strong and invulnerable but it's also an intimidation thing. He seems ok tanking a hit to win or prove a point.
@@arthurdurham ah yes we clearly saw him intimidating and proving a point to the kaiju tentacle monster he had so much trouble to beat
7:15 Superman Also didn’t know what Kryptonite is, He probably saw the Gas but thought it was some Random Bs that wouldn’t work on him
I’d like to add that Omni man does have Super speed so his Feats are More Believable. He Perceives Invincible in Slow Motion, Can fly to Orbit in 3 second and Evade Homing missiles
Agreed, I don't recall Superman knowing what Kryptonite was BUT if Omniman has super speed on the fly none of his others fights make sense unless coz he could super speed kill everyone especially those Robots.
@@SomeOfMyBusinessdidn't he do that?
@@SomeOfMyBusinessyeah but the robots suffer the same issue as quicksliver dying in the X-men it just doesn’t make sense that those robots could even touch him. just bad writing for the scene imo.
I also thinks its bad writing when they show a speedster playing a video game or using a computer faster than what it is capable of.
one of the best speedsters (in terms of not getting defeated by bad writing) is probably david from edgerunners, his rules are explained pretty well and its shown how OP his ability is and stays OP until smasher is also revealed to have a sandy.
David got defeated by the power of nepotism: He had to use a stolen implant, Smasher just got outfitted with the current version by the company that produces it. For free probably.
@@Maschinengoth SInce Arasaka put a kill switch in Adam I wouldn't be surpised if they just gave him every top of the line cybernetic like how his Sandy was much much better than David's.
@@Maschinengoth i dont think david had a worse sandy, they both looked to slow down time to a simmilar speed, but yes i very much agree smasher won due to his connections and better access to tech
@@FlakeRabbit yeah I assumed their sandys were identical as their speed was very much the same but Adam could use it like 10x more than David and his body had another 100 upgrades more than david so the fight was never gonna be close.
@@michaelkhiev2070 Perks of being like 95% machine lol
7:35 - to be fair, that’s pre-Mother Box Amp Superman vs Post Mother Box Amp Superman, because apparently he got a substantial power boost from the resurrection that they didn’t clearly communicate to us, which is fun. You can compare the footage from BVS where he is at least somewhat relative to Wonder Woman against Doom-Zod, but after resurrection he is clowning on Steppenwolf who was (at worst) easily matching Wonder Woman.
Question, can't a speedster just react to the stimuli of something like a fist or a bullet touching him and just grab the bullet or get out of the way? Like how the flash did in that one CW episode? Wouldn't that just make them even more broken?
No thats BS.
There is always Momentum. You can't just stop and reverse direction, less so, the faster you go. 90 degree turns should be impossible for a speedster.
If you react to stimuli, the stimulus allready touched you, even with superspeed you can't reverse this, you could slap it like a fly or something, but taking it of the skin is stupid.
I think running into something, even a bullet is worse for a speedster than anybody else because of the added momentum.
In comparison it's like you did not drive a car in the wall, you actually flew a jet in the wall.
And I think flying a Fighter Jet or Rocket is the best comparison to a speedster. Every Movement has to planned in advance and every deviation can be fatal.
@@achimdemus-holzhaeuser1233
Yeah but to most speedsters momentum is non existent. How many times have you seen speedsters take 45° corners without slowing down? Also when in bullet time, a speedster's sight is adapted to match him, the exact reason that he can see stuff in slow motion. Why should the other senses be any different? Like try poking yourself, but do it very slowly, now imagine that is a bullet, your telling me quicksilver would not be able to save himself? And then you could say: "Well he's not in bullet time" but by the time the hot air from the bullet touches him he will be. All this to say, a flash like speedster should not be killable.
Kenpatchi Zaraki does this in Bleach once. A character has an ability that nullifies Kenpatchi's sense of sight, hearing, etc. , but he's still able to attack by reacting at the moment that he's hit himself.
@@Remington53and in hxh when killua was able to grab an invisible projectile the moment it came into contact with him.
@@achimdemus-holzhaeuser1233actually flash did that in comics and show.
He sensed a poke to his neck and because of his reaction speeds he turned and grabbed the sniper bullet in comics.
And in show he grabbed the bullet by turning around.
You have to understand speedforce, it defies physics and logic.
Simply put speedforce is a more explainable cosmic force compared to magic.
I do think the omni man scene could plausibly make sense. He is fast as well but also Red rush was panicking and moving predictably due to having little other options he wa practically just rotating around omni man. That along side with experience in combat would make it a lot easier for omni man to anticipate where he would be. Keep in mind he also trained with him so he is probably very familiar with rush's tactic of trying to confuse him which he likely has used against countless other villains before. I don't think he reacted to red rush as much as took advantage of his mental state and predicted him with some help from his own super speed. You'd be surprised how well humans can react to stimuli they are familiar with never the less a death machine trained since birth.
Bro you need to understand that something needs to be consistent. If Omniman can catch the faster man, he can catch anything slower, but he didnt. He gets hit a lot. it donst matter if you have fast reaction if you dont have the speed to catch him.
@@davidosorio869 reaction time is one the least consistent things. It changes based on familiarity, readiness, physical health etc.I stated there were multiple factors to red rush being caught not just speed I also brought up his possible mental state and his predictable way of moving the man prolly wasn't even 100% mentally there to even realize omni man was gonna mess him up considering what just happened to him. Yeah if you catch him by surprise and can actually cause him physical pain he's gonna get hit but if you are moving predictably and just giving him more time to react to your movements he's gonna be more locked in.
@@NANA-un7jx so if a character with normal super speed can react and grab the punch of Redmist, how is that Redmist a guy who see a second like a minute cant react to the grab and dodge it?
He without being alert could react to Omniman flying to Inmortal. So in the middle of a fight with a single enemie he should be able to see a arm moving in the direction he is currently watching and react faster
@@NANA-un7jxalso redrush was not panicked nor was his mental state altered. Remember a conversation means hours to him, he can analyze things hundreds of times faster than others.
Also, mind control isn't that rare in this world and no one had died yet, so there's no reason for him to be in an altered mental state.
@@davidosorio869 he was literally the last one to die out of all the team members. If redrush was in his right mind he prolly would've contacted more heroes or escaped and regrouped to create some kind of contingency plan. He's definitely a smart dude he was not at his mental peak during the end of the fight for sure. What makes you think he was fully present, man was punching omniman for no reason in circles accomplishing nothing he was most likely bugged out of his mind not even paying attention to his surroundings or even to omni man himself just doing a basic distraction maneuver that he's rehearsed thousands of times out of musclememory that omni man's probably seen him do multiple times. Man wasn't analyzing shit. Is witnessing the death of teammates you've known for years and realising that one of the most powerful men in the world is actually evil enough to cause at least a little bit of panic.
I saw somewhere that most cinematic speedsters aren’t actual speedsters but “time lords” it’s hilarious because most time we see the fastest characters they are in super slow motion. Dash is one of the few that feels fast and energetic every time he’s moving
I’d say the same thing applies to MCU Quicksilver as well, since most of the time he’s seen moving at super speed.
@@meep9231 I agree. And most live action bullet-time scenes feel kinda recycled or lazy. A really cool take on it I saw recently was the cyberpunk anime. Love the way they animate super speed and ground it with biological consequences
The last comment had me laugh out loud
Not even the biggest MCU Quicksilver fan would say that. This guy is 100% satire
To be honest, I think that Red Rush Made a mistake, his most valuable asset in the fight vs omniman is that he was fast enough to protect the other heroes, something no one else can do. Let the super strong guy handle the punching, All the speedster had to do was make sure that omniman was in punching distance when the strong guy was ready to connect, and make sure his teammates were outside of punching distance when omniman was ready to connect.
Had Red Rush focused on playing Defense, (and the rest of the heroes co-ordinated better) there is a possibility they could have beaten omniman
Even if he had not he realistically should have won
Omni man flew from a mountain to space in seconds, he definitely has enough speed to react to red rush
And the finale of the boys diabolical is canon, the others like babies day out or the poop manipulator aren't
U dont understand the concept of a speedster lol
@@spacekid6270 If omni man can fly that fast and not just be flying blindly it's safe to say he can react that fast or atleast comprehend at that speed
@@Iianatoryet he gets hit by non speedsters across the show, you cant have your cake and eat it too
@@stupidgey3949 or maybe it's possible that, idk, soldier boy, Maeve and butcher are all comparable in speed and reaction time to homelander and the shows small budget and poor choreography can't simulate that so it's merely implied?
Tbf about Apokalypse, he is legit op in every version. They can always still fight him, but usually can't beat him easily.
Omniman can create shockwaves and other aoe attacks, as we see in the finale. He should've used one of those to knock Red Rush Down and tackle him or something. Like how can Sky High do this better?
Point...... considering Omniman has speedster like abilities you got me thinking his "Sonic Clap" done like how She-Hulk did hers in that Disney show would be very effective against speedsters.
I'm still trying to understand Flash's rogue gallery. 😔
Anyone with earth based shockwave like abilities should be able to defeat speedsters with ease especially...like the entire Earth Kingom in Avatar - Last Air Bender.
I saw Batman has a super computer dedicated to predicted when and where Flash can be so that's an interesting take on how to defeat a speedster.
Ok but red rush would just see the ground being destroyed from the shockwave and run away
Red Rush its faster tan sound
It's not stated in the show, but I have to give the Omniman thing some credit. We don't know the capabilities of his race in the show, but as you mentioned we know he can begin moving ridiculously fast when flying - meaning he has to have speedster reaction times to control that. Is it *really* a stretch to say he can move at that speed in very short bursts (Superman can do this too)? Not defending it because it's Invincible, just saying.. I think the door is open to an actual explanation to that one. When Omniman threw that first punch, it was moving at *just* under Red Rush speeds, why he barely moved Immortal out of the way in time. All I'm saying is I'm willing to say Jury's Out on red rush right now due to not enough information.
Ok but you need to be consistent. If Omniman reaction can upgrade to upspeed RedRush then she should be literally untouchable. If he can adapt to the faster man in the world he should be able adapt his reactions to any attacker
@@davidosorio869 but omniman does adapt to any attacker. he lets himself get hit, and it's implied that viltrumites still get worn down and lose endurance over time. this is why he's probably moving at red rush speeds at the very beginning when he tries to take out immortal, but after suffering some blows, switches to just tanking the shots since he knows he can make it anyway. besides i think it's doubtful that he has constant super speed perception like red rush does, instead my guess is that he just chose the trajectory when blowing up that atmosphere at random then predicted red rush's attacks. earth is not his first rodeo so it's likely that he's encountered speedsters before, red rush in this situation made a poor tactical decision which isn't unrealistic and omniman exploited it. maybe they could have drawn out the scene by making omniman try to grab him a few times and missing but it would be unnecessary because people would still complain.
Eric Kripke has confirmed he chose to make the last episode of Diabolical canon, because he liked it. You can trust him because he based Noir’s relationship to Homelander in the newest season partially on their interactions in the short.
So it would be like an Arkham Origins sort of canon. Certain things did happen, but not the whole thing as you see it
@@thenoirknight5729 I thought only the multiplayer wasn't canon
3:24 he's 10000 years old and he adapts to fight? What is he? A saiyan?
I agree that bad writers tend to cop out when it comes to the extent of super powers and losing when they shouldn't it for the sake of plot. However I'll say that super speed doesn't mean you're perfectly aware of everything around you, which is why in Flash Point batman shooting the Reverse Flash or whatever his name is, made sense because he caught him by surprise. We'll ignore the retcon speed-zombie thing.
In that movie he goes by Professor Zoom. His name changes depending on the media. But if it’s easier you can just call him Thawne.
@@anomaly395reverse flash and zoom werent 2 different characters?
@@ignacioperez5479 As I’ve heard from other comments, in the comics his name changed between Professor Zoom and Reverse Flash depending on the issue. It was only in the CW TV show that they took that name and made Zoom a separate character, while simply calling Thawne Reverse Flash.
No, that makes zero sense. He should´nt be able to get "cought by surprise" while in Flash point. He should see everything in extreme slow motion, so how can he get shot by a bullet going in slow moiton?
@@Ragnarrackarn he got shot at almost 0 distance in the blind spot we all have. here he explains what happened
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Yeah. The issue with prople bringing up '10,000 years of experience" and "skill" is that speedsters are potrayed as basically freezing time (from their perspective) whenever they go super-fast. So no amount of skill matters since the enemy would be effectively frozen and the only real counter is being able to move at comparable speed. Which is why Dash is so useful since he doesnt have superhuman reaction speed (or at least not at the level of 'I see everything as if time has stop').
5:50 Omg! i've been trying to find a person to said something like this for a long long time! I've been talking with my friends about this all the time. Like i get it? the flash is surrounded by someone like shazam and superman, that's why he has to be the fastest.
But for a speedster in my preference, i don't even think that they need to hit a speed of sound to be cool.
Like spider-man, how to make your character interesting. You don't make them overpowered. Speedster hero can be something like spider-man, if only they would've limit to like a 800 KM/H, And that if they're pushing their limits.
Speedsters like the flash looks so invulnerable, but at the same time he is vulnerable??? That's what make them so ass.
Hey I love the audacity you have of roasting tf out of the people who disagree because they're wrong you're so fearless lmao dude is a menace
I mean Omni Man still tracks at the end of the day. His top speed is FTL so his perception would have to around that a long with his agility. I’ll just use the flash time excuse to explain why he didn’t move his fist at the speed of light to catch his hand. Not saying the scene couldn’t have been done better but it is what it is
12:39 man that's why I don't like powerscaling community. They always use "if you can avoid light beam than you are FtL speed" argument. You know, you can avoid a gunshot, but that does not mean you are faster than bullet, right?
It depends on the context really. Like a video from a power scaler said you can dodge stuff if its obvious like a gun by reositioning yourself to get out of the way before it was fired. Which also implies to laseres which does not mean you scale to those speeds but if youre in the way of a laser and it was aready coming at you and dodge it than you are faster than light unless the laser wasnt actually light speed its all about context
And it also matters how far away you were to determine your speed
@@godversesans5152 no dude, it's about artistic expression. If a writer wants to make more tense moment, they will draw a character avoiding death in the last possible moment. Almost no one writes a story with power scalers in mind
@Romashka_Sov maybe not, but they still make lemits on what the character can actually survive and do, which is kinda the thing when fights happen. you wouldn't see a non speedster barley dodging a speedsters attack just for dramatic affect. And if power scalers see something that is shown not to be consistent and is disproving by other scenes, then they would disregard it as its not something the character can actually do and was just plot armor or just bad writing. BTW, making lemits on what a character can do is power scaling.
@@Romashka_Sov you also used authors intent fallacy
my problem with red rush is why was he fighting in the first place??? He’s suppose to protect his team, and when he died so did his whole team
He was feeling invicible
@@misterboxhead3045hehehe nice
3:42
While you are correct in that the Dark Night is a better movie than Black Panther, Black Panther did objectively make way more money.
7:00 I think superman realized that the grenade he caught was lead lined (one of the few things that blocks kryptonite’s effects and his x-ray vision) and was beginning to process that there was something odd going on, and as stated he didn’t know that he would be hurt, he was in the courtroom explosion earlier in the film and the only reason that he didn’t stop that was because the bomb was hidden by (dramatic music) lead.
Edit: agreed that he could’ve moved after some green slipped out.
For the invincible examples, could it be that some of the scenes that look like they’re happening in real time are actually speed scenes slowed down for viewer convenience? Super speed in the TV show doesn’t even look that fast so it’s not like time would be frozen for them.
The imortal doesn't have super speed and was still able to hit omni man multiple times
Then its a failure of the writing again since they don't make it clear. Plus Red Rush is the only one in the room with superspeed. Omniman can accelerate to light speed, he can't just instantly move at light speed.
@@luisgay5897he can actually
@@luisgay5897 Is it, or do they just not care because it's not that important?
@@Kinesis327 and I ask, being from the OP specie, which speed should we take as "canon"? The one against RR or Inmortal? Depending of your choice the other is bad writting, you just chose Inmortal speed
For BVS I think one of the reason why superman didn't avoid the gas either is because he didn't think it would hurt him. He stopped the bullet to inspect what it does and it exploded into gas. He had never experience kriptonite or know about it existence (there was none in MoS) and never get hurt before (except when fighting Zod) so he have no clue there would be something that could potentially harm him. All of the previous batman devices was useless on him so he probably didn't think it would hurt him either. If I was him I probably like: "Ok another bullet and it explode into gas, that is all? Moving on Batman." So that was probably why he didn't dodge the gas and just inhale it like normal smoked bomb that Batman just used a few second ago.
And isn't doomsday also has super speed because he is also Kriptonian? And superman wasn't as strong as before. He regenerated from the nuclear explosion and cameback instantly. So the fight with Superman, WW and DD was probably at super speed but Batman was watching it as well so I am not sure how fast it is.
But I am not sure if it is justify or not.
About Snyder cut. I guess Flash was so focusing on building charge he couldn't do anything else or all the charge would be lose. That may be why he get hurt. But if you don't agree then it is ok too.
When he fought Superman. Superman also had super speed and he never could catched flash. Their only interaction was Flash tried to push Superman and then he got pushed back as well (probably a part of superman also pushing and he was like a wall so Flash instead pushed himself too).
Anyway the thing with BvS is that. After the first reaction with Kriptonite, Superman got hurt a little but didn't know his superpower was heavily reduced. He was about to full strike on another normal person at that time. He could have killed batman if the kriptonite gas didn't last that long. That was so bad for someone that called Superman. And just the scene before he also threw batman over from a high fall. That could easily kill another person.
I think either way of thinking those are bad writing is fine. Because BvS really has bad writing and so does Snyder Cut.
No, its the same.
The bullet exploding he should have seen it whatever gas comes of it ,plus they are always stupid standing there.
The milisecond even less ,if I feel there something off I'm out of there, then scan de area and go full speed or range attack.
Its stupid writting because the plot needs to.
@@crisstoff89no I think the point of the original comment is even if he saw the gas in slow motion he didn't care cause he didn't know that it would affect him cause nothing has ever hurt him before except for zod
The terraforming machine in mos generated kryptonite and visibly weakened superman, which is how batman got the idea to harvest the stuff. Lead dust and a kryptonite nade coated in lead disguised the material, and superman would have no idea how much he could be weakened by direct exposure. Also, superman was holding back but he also wanted to physically stop batman and put on a show convincing enough for lex.
What part of the writing did you not like for bvsu? I thought the writing was better than mos - especially the dialogue -, although it makes the same mistakes with batman that mos made with superman, and it is weakened considerably if damaged joker isn't actually robin. ...actually if damaged joker isn't robin I guess Batmans motivation and 'reawakening' don't actually make sense. I knew about it before going in and understood the film as superman / Lois reminding the 'criminal' batman of his original purpose from before he decided to 'be a symbol' for change, which was to protect the innocent. What happened to Robin shows what a sisyphean and ephemeral goal it is to change others when they can be ruined so easily, and superman was like a super powered reflection of his own hubris, as well as a tremendous danger if he ever loses faith like batman did. I liked the film because every major character was trying to be a hero / superman in their own flawed way, including lex, and I thought that was clever. I can't watch most clips from mos without cringing but bvs is actually pretty decent by comparison, and I love all the little Easter eggs and references.
Kinda like how in Justice League: War, Batman tried using a gas on Superman only for it to not work. Same deal, SV Superman thought it wouldn't do anything.
5:14 you could say that to most debaters/power scalers
I think I have a sound argument here. 11:31 maybe the reason he has the stop for a millisecond is because thats how long it takes for him to reverse his momentum. Go for run and see how quickly you can 180 into running the other way. And the faster you're running the longer it will take you to reverse your momentum. Yes he's fast but physics still apply to him.
Good video
you have very good points,and u weren't harsh to the characters because they're weaker,which is respectable
4:20 THANK YOU I have been saying this for ages. You cannot "Predict" where a speedster will be BECAUSE THEY CAN PERCEIVE THE PREDICTION FASTER THAN IT HAPPENING. Its like playing rock paper scizzors and my opponent throws scizzors because I threw paper too many times... But I can perceive hes throwing scizzors 10000x faster and ALWAYS adjust to rock before our hands are thrown down.
also at 5:20 omniman I agree has SOME enhanced perception, but absolutely nowhere near red rush. Like, omniman literally got hit with baterangs from darkwing in their fight
also 7:08 is why flash dying in the injustice animated movie is the most BS death ever. He just stands there and breathes the gas in... when the gas is slower than anything theyve reacted to (both superman, and flash)
I disagree to your first point. I’ve premoved RPS and won multiple times
@@thebcwonder4850it wasnt the best example, my point is red rush should always see omniman slowly moving his hand up and adjust accordingly.
You touch upon a bigger and larger issue in these vids: that is, that in fiction in general and not just where superspeed or even powers and abilities are concerned, consistency is actually very hard to come by so much so that when it's seen, it's rare and often lauded, such as in the (first) Incredibles and Avatar: The Last Airbender (but not Korra, but Korra is awful). Sadly, is so many things, the rule of cool really does take precedence over the rule of making sense via implications and applications and other things, even internal sense, and the superhero genre, as much as I love that genre and is my personal favorite, very much suffers a lot of the time from this. Because superhero stuff is by its nature so flashy and is so prevalent nowadays, it also gets called out on this more often than other genres even tho many examples in those other genres are just as guilty if not more so. I will say this tho: at least in those instances you mentioned, the characters were, at least generally in character and consistent with themselves. I saw a couple scenes from the Halo TV series that, while impressive in that they finally give spartans feats more aligned with the non visual/book stuff in a visual medium rather than that slow as molasses dreck we got in Halo 5 between Locke and John, were vastly outweighed by the full on character assassination of Chief that I saw in other segments. All that to say, the Mario movie slaps the Halo TV series so hard in actually being faithful to the source material from a character, setting, and plot standpoint that Mario now owns microsoft and uses Chief as a footstool while playing Kid Icarus on his SNES.
7:47 I read this as "a train" as in a literal train and was very confused by this whole conversation.
7:09
Good point for every situation besides this one, superman would be in kryptonite's effective radius the second it starts to come out, weakening him and dulling his super speed sense before the full dose can get to him, everything else said though was pretty on point
honestly ima give a pass to the omniman one because it looks badass even tho it doesnt make any sense
Ima give a pass to the robot choking omni man with his own cape because it looked hot asf
@@RSG200 same. i nearly busted
Speedsters themselves are a big ass piece of bad writing. Super Speed isn’t just running fast. It’s doing everything fast. The faster things get, the more impulse they have. Someone like Quicksilver moving faster than the speed of SOUND?! Villains wouldn’t be flying away. They’d be straight up exploding from the sheer force of his punches. I’m not even talking about Flash who, as far as I heard, has the 99,9% speed of LIGHT? No… that’s no. Everything that comes between this man and his goals is dead. The ground he’s running on is dead. The planet he inhabits is fucking dead bro
Speedsters could be cool if we were to… not make everything fucking dramatic and cool sounding like 99.9% speed of light. Make them as fast as a sports car. Maybe a tad bit faster. That already makes you a fucking menace. Ain’t no one out there who needs to have 99,9% speed of light. That’s BULLSHIT
Maybe with RedRush, his reaction time is even faster than his normal speed, as in even to his perceived time he’s moving relatively slow, so any movements he makes have to be planned out before hand because his body takes time to do what he tells it to, I’m not defending it since this wasn’t in the show as a point but that would be an interesting way to balance a speedster
Omni man having 10k years to adapt to a speedster punch is like a human practicing 10k years to adapt to bullets.
Bad writing is not just a speedster character's true enemy, its consistency. Writers will write shit like "he can react at 0.0383937 octillion seconds blah blah" but then gets beaten by opponents that's literally hundred times slower than what they've mentioned the reaction time of their speedster was
Power levels are just the limit of things that are possible in the fictional world, if they dont stick to their story they might as well not exist 😐🙌
0.03 octillion seconds to react to something is many orders of magnitudes slower than the reaction time of the average person
I haven't seen the X-Men movies much, but if the main villain's entire deal is that they adapt to superpowers, then it makes way more sense that he'd be able to stop Quicksilver. I'd need to see the scene in its entirety to get a sense of the timeframe, but it does at least seem like Quicksilver engaged for longer than a nanosecond, and I think the eyeball shot was intended to show Apocalypse gaining that sort of speed perception we see Superman with. But again, this is coming from an incomplete understanding, it may not be entirely accurate.
Red Rush was absolutely a victim to bad writing though. He shouldn't have been going on the offensive at all, instead using his speed to nudge his allies out of the way of Omni Man's attacks. He also should have been able to escape in the moment when Omni Man switched from holding his wrist to holding his head; either he put one hand on his skull first and then readjusted his grip, creating a window where RR is virtually unrestrained, or he went to put both hands on his skill, making RR literally unrestrained for a moment.
I loved the part where he presented arguments instead of shit talking, that was the best part
People very likely assumed that Omni Man moves at the speed of light, because he travels to other planets like we travel to the corner store
Totally agree with you bro.
The one who moves faster than you,
Can't be beaten by you
What if the speedster can't hurt the other guy?
@@CatotheE that's Very hard, I know that using physics logic on something imaginary like comics or TV series is a little strange but, Flash as an example can move faster than light and bla bla bla, If you can Just stop time like we see in a Lot of speedsters, you have the Full control of aceleration, moving with the time stopped requires infinite acceleration (F=M.A) soo in that case Mass is not important if It has value (M>0) soo, this is actually generation of infinity force, what is scary because If you move any distance generating something like that you Will cause an actual new Bigbang. Flash wouldn't Go back time, but Destroy ALL existence... Note of course assuming that any physical object can reach the speed of light because of that result. but Flash can turn intangible using the "molecular vibration" shit that doesn't make sense but let's Just assume it's "true".
what i'm saying is: speedsters strong, speedsters Go vush and boom everything even themselves.
@@johnatanbitencourt4969 Super speed doesn't give you time manipulation though. Not generally. It would be like saying that everyone with super strength get's telekinesis.
The Flash's greatest power isn't necessarily super speed, although that's a really good power. It's his ability to ignore the laws of the universe.
@@CatotheE time and speed are two sides of the same coin, Just like magnetism and eletric powers. time is the perception of the speed around you, it's relative, using some point or number as a reference. BUT i'm talking about the speedsters (Speed of perception, movement, friction and reaction), like flash, Quicksilver, Sonic (From the movie), A-Train and etc. not about heroes that Just run fast like that Guy From the my hero academia shit (I don't remember his name and don't have other example on my mind, Sorry) in that case you're right.
@@CatotheE note that yes, I don't agree with going back in time or going to the Future, that's a Full time manipulatiom right there and that's fucked up
Bro that Quora level mcu meatriding at the end. Chef's kiss!
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The argument I'll make for Omni Man is that he planned how to handle Red Rush. To bring up MMA like you have, some of the best wins were purposely letting an opponent over extend themselves and responding.
How Jones completely embarrased Gain or recently with O'Malley vs Sterling, he knocked him out with a hook after Sterling threw a jab. It feels split second but it was a purposeful plan to attack on an attack.
This has been done even on contact as McGregor won a fight tanking a hit but getting a better one in as the punch landed. So imagine if you didn't have to worry about taking any damage on a hit.
One of Omni Man's main characteristics is being significantly more experienced in battle and tactics than everyone else combined with Superman powers. So I wouldn't put it past him baiting an attack he knew he could punish.
And Omni Man is shown to have super speed immediately, not just from inertia. He does speedster things like change clothes immediately and others. So he clearly has speedster powers even if it's less than Red Rush, but enough to utilize it.
I am definitely giving it some leeway for the theory as the animation doesn't portray it well but it's why it makes sense conceptually.
I don't think they were written into a corner, I think they thought it looked cooler (as opposed to the comic that was trying to be more accurate) the way it's shown than something more accurate.
They could have made it that Omni man tricked Red Rush into too much momentum that he just couldn't physically respond and countered in a more believable way but the arm grab is just more intimidating which was the point.
These are fantasy entertainment properties and often how something is portrayed is more important than accuracy of the portrayal. Though most of the others are bad writing imo.
I think the issue with the writing is the final episode when those abilities suddenly seem less powerful for the plot to happen, he shouldn't have been taken down by cyborgs.
I think that I could explain why Red Rush died to Omni man logically but it more because the writer stumbled upon on it rather than because of their actual skill as writer. First we need to understand that Red Rush just need to make 1 mistake for Omni man to destroy him. He doesn't have super healing or super durability. When he died he break his hand try to punch Omni man away.
Second, Viltrumite have weird physic. They can push on nothing to generate force and fly. This is explain in the scene when Omni man teach Mark how they are able to fly. So he can just stand his ground and not be moved by Red Rush. He have worked with them for years so he know that he will need to do that beforehand for Red Rush to not be relocated into a disadvantage position.
Third, Red Rush know this when he feel his hand not moving Omni man at all like how Quick Silver able to juggle Apocalypse. So he have to stop and not fully commit to his punch because if he didn't it will break his hand and like trying to run into a wall. So in the small in between time when he have to stop he can be catched by Omni man if Omni man is expecting it. And sadly Omni was expecting him after a few punch to the face and was able to learned his attacking pattern. And we know Omni man is still fast as in routinely from nowhere to apeared to save the day fast. So in the small window Red Rush have to slow down and speed up, it was in his speed bracket to catch it.
Fourth, because of the situation and confusion, Red Rush didn't go all out. (Omni man was their friend and have save some of them one point or another) So he didn't fully try to murder Omni man and was just trying to knock him out or something. And pair this with the fact he was the first to engaged Omni man, he wasn't as cautious as he should be like not speeding up as fast as he could and/ or got cocky because he was able to land a few hit or feel conflicted that he have to neutralize His friend / coworker.
I just watched both vids. I'm so glad I found someone else that actually gets it. I too am bamboozled by how speed-react works. At least RR explained his version of it. Still died to pure bs, but at least the writers thought about giving that an explanation. I tried watching The Flash with my wife, and I had to stop because it was genuinely giving me headaches trying to figure out how Barry lost ANY of his fights. Especially during S7 when he shows Thawne his "true speed" after their ridiculous lightsaber duel. Don't even get me started on the weapons they make. That shit just hurts my brain. Great vids. You have a perm sub. #NotificationGang
Does Quicksilver spin and make a tornado in the movies? Just asking because that was his go-to in the cartoons lol
Make more mortal Kombat
I dont think he does
I love how the people calling you out had no arguments at all lmao, the tiktok thing is so real.
Their opponents are fast too, omniman can likely move fast enough to negate red rushs speedy reactions. You can apply this logic to most of his enemies as well.
if omniman was that fast then 3:04 should never have happened, its only applied when needed for yhe plot aka bad writing
@@user-zf5ft2bg5s those robots are nearly as strong and fast as invincible, Omni man was fighting a few robots, blinded, and I think he fought the immortal before that as well after chasing a man across the planet that teleports.
@BigblackDavis Yh, but Omni man was much stronger and faster than Invincible, so he should be able to body those robots easily.
@@joshuaagbettor5610and he did
@@joshuaagbettor5610 they were altered even further to be stronger than when invincible fought them
I dont know what happened to the world but its like the whole worlds forgotten that Superman has x-ray vision. He should've been able to see that batman shot something hollow at him and avoid it.
He still doesn’t know what kryptonite is. If he saw it, it still wouldn’t matter. He didn’t know that it would hurt him.
In my personal opinion: I originally felt like the Red Rush Death made sense because he was geared towards being more of a defensive than offensive hero. like he was the support of the team, he'd get people out of harm's way and shit. So when it came to actual combat against someone like Omniman, with trained reflexes capable of fighting and killing warriors from Viltrum, full-on Viltrumites trained in war, ngl I thought at the time it made sense. But after watching your video when you broke down how dumb it was that he was pausing after each punch like that, it made sense that it was just bad writing that got him killed all around. At first I thought it was just misuse of his kit, but upon closer inspection it was misuse of science as well lol
Jist watched your three speedster videos and saw your post thanking people for the growth. Happy to be here thanks for the content
I feel, if Speedsters have superspeed on all counts, so does Omni Man when he flies fast. Otherwise he’d hit birds, planes, and anything else in his pathway. So him having Superspeed reactions makes sense too. Plus, in the scene where Red Rush dies, the guardians are barely rushing forward when we see Red Rush punching Omni Man with his already broken hands. I always inferred this as Omni Man acting in super speed as well
I agree, Red Rush didn’t lose to bad writing, but the bad writing does make Omni man seem like a dumbass. It’s shown that Omni man has super speed reaction time but he still gets hit by things that don’t have super speed
@@bestpiss Fr, just like Superman. Though in some part I always inferred this as them thinking “I’m so powerful I really don’t even have to go THAT all out” y’know. Still a stupid way of thinking though considering how many casualties you can avoid
The first commenter sounded like he was trying to come up with a better way the movie could have made Apocalypse beat Quicksilver. Rather than just moving his eyes and trapping him, they could have demonstrated him adapting to the situation and using his existing powers to accomplish it. So in response to being juggled at super speed, he could automatically start getting faster. Once he's able to perceive what's happening, he could push his body faster than its anatomy is adapted to, allowing him to act but at the cost of damaging himself. But since he can regenerate, then he can heal up afterwards.
I think it would be simpler to just write it such that getting hit causes him to automatically adapt to the power used against him. The he just becomes fast enough to fight back. Then the scene could play out like how we see Superman start reacting and moving super fast in response to noticing the Flash.
4:11 Both of them were moving at super speed so it was in real time for them and us. You can see the others in the scene move in slow motion.
5 min in and this is amazing😂😂
The cope is strong in these ones
I just LOVE the voices you make while reading some of these people's comments 😂
3:19 He’s fucking with you. That’s Apocalypse (and probably wrong).
Also, I think they need like an animation of what things look like from Red Rush’s perspective. A photo should suffice.
"Things should work entirely different in a generally faithful adaptation of a piece of media just because the adaptation changes some of the story" and then censoring the comment so that no one can read it and decide for themselves if it's too much of a stretch or not is crazy
Thank you Lord I wasn’t the only one who saw that bullshit ,
Nah he's right and you're dumb.
In summary: when writers contradict their writing, not providing reasons for why certain things happen and how they happen, it results in bad writing.
Bro, hilarious content. These are the kinds of conversations I always want to have with people that don’t care. Keep it up bro
Highly relatable. I can never have these sorts of conversations with people I know either lol
@@Brunoki22well it’s usually hard to get to people to want to talk to you if you just call them dumbasses lmao
@@thebiggestcarl lmao what?
The secret to making speedster fights interesting is to give them opponents with lower-grade super speed, but a stronger speed react power, or vice versa. Make them *not* just a mirror match, and not a trash heap where the speedster is shown to be able to basically stop time with their reaction speed but somehow gets shot not even with a noraml bullet but a slow-moving sci fi energy blaster shot that even makes fancy noises and glows to be sure you can't miss seeing it coming.
Also, I can see a valid argument for a fast enough projectile (like lightning bolt or laser or something) catching out a lower-greade speedster whose reactions haven't been shown to be sufficient to make such things seem like they're moving slow enough to dodge. In the wrong position, a speedster with that kind of power could be caught out against the wrong kind of weapon that they aren't able to effectively neutralise before the trigger is pulled. Get them in the right position to shut the shooter down before they pull the trigger though, and if they still lose... it's bad writing.
I think the only speedster that is written well is metro man.
More then just him
It would have been cool to have the flash movie have Barry run across the country to save the falling babies, stop the thieves in the car AND protect the innocent (without complaining as he did)
I reason why doomsday could've grabbed superman, is because he was made from Zod's body so he probably has super speed too.
that's a good note, still not explainning How he missed Batman and his ultra speed grappling gun
@johnatanbitencourt4969 yeah it's hard to fit batman into stories with such strong enemies.
@@bigdigclutch agree
@@johnatanbitencourt4969because batman already moved before doomsday reached him
Doomsday has slow travel speed but fast reaction time
@@johnatanbitencourt4969 Batman was on the run. and Doomsday doesn't always have to be ultra fast to catch what he perceives as less of a threat. Superman and WW were literally harming Doomsday and he in turn was harming them back with great speed.
I think while speedsters only lose to bad writing, they are only OP in bad writing too. Speedsters are only ever as quick as they need to be because writers seldom have an accurate sense of scale when it comes to motion and the implications that such speeds have. Any story that features a speedster is likely using them purely for spectacle, not likely considering their power so much as their impact; because how do you actually write them well without going mad from the academic-level research that would go into making them believably functional?
I have noticed that a lot of the narrative failings with most speedsters comes from the failure to account for their secondary superpowers (ie super-perception, super-endurance, super-durability, super-metabolism) that would logically be necessary to facilitate the primary ability of "run real fast". Literally no speedster should be defeatable, as anything that can move fast enough to be considered "super speed" would have to be a biological brick shit-house. And yes, I realize I totally just contradicted myself; point is that Speedsters are bad characters to write.
In most stories looked at as objectively as possible in fiction at this point, if character 1 reacts to an attack from a different character who has been established as a speedster type of character, it just has to mean they have reaction speed somewhat around the established “speedster” because we literally just saw them react to the speedster. You can say it’s kinda dumb because the writer isn’t giving proper emphasis or description to character 1 having reaction speed like this, but that’s pretty much what it means.
That means even potentially if they’re just “peak humans” in the story somehow reacting to a character who can catch bullets, that just means the “peak human” can obviously do stuff that wouldn’t really be considered real peak human level just cuz it’s fiction. Just depends on the world their in and whether that’s reasonable given they like train or whatever maybe.
As weird as it is to say, speed of movement in animation or live action scenes with super humans isn’t always indicative of how fast their going. Like Character A can block a bullet, and they’ll have a super wild visual where the whole thing happens in slow motion and the camera work is used super well to emphasize that it’s all super fast. Then in the next movie or episode it can have a Character B stated to be faster than Character A, and have him dodge a bolt of lightning, but the animation or camera work looks super flat and doesn’t really give off the impression it’s very fast at all. Then Characters A or B can fight an enemy and they can be trading blows at equal speeds, yet it looks like they’re just going regular human speed despite the fact that we know this is technically happening at bullet speed or lightning speed. Even though it doesn’t really look like it we have to give the benefit of the doubt and assume the established information is still true. So if omni man at some point dodges lightning and then he gets boxed up by some cyborgs, we kinda just gotta assume the robots have near lightning speed combat or reaction speed even if the animation doesn’t emphasize that at all.
I do think this is really a problem in live action though because Superman is so fast he’s invisible in one scene, and yet later he fights an enemy and we see the fight go on and it doesn’t look as fast as it did before, because they’re live action it’s far easier for us to naturally assume they as just going slower than they were before for some reason even though they might’ve said something like “I’m trying harder than before”, “I have to go faster than I ever have”, or even just if the actor is clearly trying to display that the character is trying super hard.
I think all this stuff is definitely the writers fault a lot of the time for not portraying the reality of their world in whatever medium it’s in (comics, movies, animation) in a way that makes it clear when a character is going as fast as they are supposed to be in order to catch another character. I think rather than looking at the scenes and going “all these characters shouldn’t be able to hit these characters who are way way faster than than them”, I usually complain like “this is dumb because there’s too many characters being made randomly fast enough to react to our primary “speedster” type character due to plot. And/or they didn’t even make it visually telling enough to assume without question that they are that fast from a purely visual perspective.” Of course sometimes it also makes sense for the characters to be that fast, and of course other times it’s literally just cuz the writer forgets that these speedster were written to have their super speed reaction time that activates reflexively, only to have them just get surprised by weapons or characters established concretely as considerably slower than them! To which I have to cope by trying to make sense of it by saying “oh they were just so off guard (even though they shouldn’t have been in context) that they’re super speed vision lagged for just long enough to get tagged.” But I’m just mentioning a possible alternate perspective to some scenes while still agreeing that it’s a failure of the writers.
Also not really super important, but I will say I think most speedsters with established super speed vision/super speed reaction speed can turn it on and off whenever they please, and even sometimes have it activate as a reflex if that’s portrayed. Unless you’re someone like red rush, who I think sadly has his slow motion vision on at all times making his life super hard to live. But his dialogue with his wife to me definitely implied he literally can’t turn off his slow motion which is why he kept getting bored during their picnic conversation, and he is just somehow extremely good at talking super slowly for people to understand. Cuz if he just turns it off while he’s talking to people why would he bring it up as an honest excuse in regards to getting bored having a conversation with his girl?
I'm fine with the idea that some superpowered kinds of reaction can work as if their owner had a much faster reaction speed than they "really" do, as if the nature of the superpower has basically created a new layer of the subconscious that works on different principles than the brain and can instigate a reaction to something that the brain itself (or in some cases, the person's sensory organs) is still unaware of, possibly sending the record of what its response still in advance of conscious awareness of the original act. Of course, the nature of that response ought to be at best an approximation of how the person would prefer to respond if they had the time to notice, stop, and think about it - but the same is true of real-world reactions.
6:12 "normal vehicles" with the clip of him being chased by sawblade hovercrafts had me laughing my ass off. great video tho, helps a lot with writing my own speedster character :3
In defence of Superman, he had never faced Kryptonite before. The closest was Zod’s ship replicating Krypton’s atmosphere but even then, it wasn’t even toxic to him, it just negated his powers. This isn’t Christopher Reeve’s Superman where he’s learned about the existence of Kryptonite, how it affects him and then tells a reporter he likes all about it. This was the first time he had ever encountered Kryptonite, so he wouldn’t have any reason to treat a random green gas as a threat to him until he breathed it in (in which case, it’s too late)
Also, he wasn’t going into the fight to actually fight. I still think it’s ridiculous he didn’t directly say “Bruce, Luthor’s behind all of this, he’s kidnapped my mother and is ordering me to kill you, but I think we can stop him and save my mother if we work together”. Sure, he tried saying that all at the start of the fight, but he had so many opportunities even before the Kryptonite went into play to say something
He did try to say all that but Bruce wasn't having any of it and he kept attacking him and Superman simply gave him a warning when he said if he wanted him dead he would already be and after that, Bruce introduced kryptonite to the game which completely shocked Superman and sent him into survival mode which made the fight very logical
In the case of Invincible, omniman is not slow. In the comic, he jad flew to different planet in just a week and his son, Mark literally flew faster than a spaceship traveled a very large distance of space. Omniman is like a speedster too in his own way.
We didn't get to see enough of Red Rush to know how much faster he is. From just that scene, the show told us that Nolan is not being left in the dust.
Yes it has been calculated and Ominman is many times faster than light at his top speed. Usually he just doesn't go as fast as he possibly can because he doesn't need to
That just moves the goalpost. Now omniman is the speedster, meaning he should just kill everyone else in 0.01 secs. Sans maybe the red dude who can maybe last a couple secs.
Same if you say Superman can match flash. Now superman is even more OP and nobody ever should touch him.
@@barriakarlOmni mans top speed is ftl but it takes a while for him to accelerate to that speed and the fastest we see him in the show is not even at light speed
Another dumb fool comincs is different from the shows
I don't know why he's not considered that some characters may have access to very very brief bursts of super speed that they can't maintain. Even if it takes a while to pick up speed, if you can fly at lightspeed, you damn well better have super reaction time - even if it's not on all the time.
based on the baseball scene, nolan's arm/hand should be near 1% lightspeed casually, which even fodder beginning of series mark can sort of react to.
now it's your turn to scale red rush 😇
The problem I’m gathering from all those people’s defenses of the Omni-man/RR fight is that there’s no logical consistency outside of that fight. Either Omi-man has super-react or he doesn’t. If he does than the RR fight is closer to making sense (still has the problem of the slow punch) but every other fight with Omni-man now is terribly written because he never uses that power. If he doesn’t have super-react all the other fights make sense again, but the RR fight is back to being total nonsense.
No matter which side is chosen, it still leads to an example of bad writing
my guess is that he predicted it, it never shocked me at all and i tought it was common sense
Omniman predicts it, and then what? Predicing something doesn't mean you're now 100 percent able to block it. The red rush still has the speed and the claim to perceive things, so omniman lifting his hand should have been seen.@alouby
@@wewillrockyou3272 you might be forgetting the momentum of the punch, and omniman also has super speed but idk if it plays a big role here, red rush's death was his fault anyway he shouldn't have switched to the offensive and leave the fight to the immortal and war woman
@@alouby then the robots should not of been able to hit omniman if he had super speed comparible to red rush, let alone the helicopter coming up and going live to which the entire world saw omnimans true colors
You can see for yourself what it's like to have super senses by playing Super Hot VR, I personally can still see these supes like Red Rush losing after playing that for myself. Super senses aren't just a free win power.
It seems simple enough to write an interesting, "balanced" speedster. Instead of their speed/reflexes always being available, just establish that they can only slow time for a little while before they run out of energy, or need to eat, or get tired, or their heart explodes.
Or like Feruchemy in the Mistborn series, where Steelrunners can save up speed by slowing down, and then later draw upon that stored speed to go fast.
If you want a "Time in a Bottle" scene, then provide the speedster with an external energy source or amplifier that lets them go more fast for more time than usual.
I always feel like Speedsters are so OP that the writers write themselves into a corner right from the genesis of the character. Literally every problem they encounter can be solved so easily that it just becomes monotonous.
If we say Red Rush is basically discount Flash shouldn't he be able to rip/destroy Omni-man's heart via Phasing? Like even if they are bulletproof and super durable their body doesn't defy physics and is still made up of moleules, which have spaces between them which makes them phasable!
Is there a comic where Reverse Flash kills the DCU coz I'm convinced with his pettiness he could.
Not every speedster can phase. Justice League Flash couldn’t, and neither could Red Rush.
You realize “phasing” is sci fi bullshit right? If you vibrated at super speed you wouldn’t walk through walls, you would explode. And even if you could vibrate at super speed and live, you still wouldn’t be able to phase because that’s not how atoms work. Yes atoms are mostly space but they physically repel each other, so you can’t just force atoms through the space inside another atom. If you tried, you’d explode again because you just caused nuclear fusion. Congratulations, you played yourself.
Omniman is faster than Red Rush when he goes top speed anyway.
Bro don't listen to the haters! Many of us have been thinking the same thing for years about Speedsters; you're just one of the few who has had the balls to publicly say it. Keep up the good work!
Anyway I was playing the new Spider-Man game on PS5 when something happened to make me think of your last video. BRO Spider-man totally gets the Speedsters writing treatment! One minute the precognition of his spider senses is almost god-like in the way it warns him of danger. It allows him to dodge and block everything from hidden traps, surprise punches, bullets traveling at the speed of sound and, even enemies who have the power to turn invisible. Hell! The precognition power of his spider sense is so broken and so overpowered that he can even sense people's bad intentions even if they're laughing and smiling. That means in a way he can almost read people's minds... that's crazy!
Yet, when bad writing pops in Spider-Man can be knocked down because he failed to dodge a poll thrown by a common nobody henchman; all because the plot needed a reason for the main villain to get away. Bad writing! That's why they shouldn't give serial characters god-like cheat powers and expect the story to still have challenging obstacles. Or for readers to have tension, fear and, doubt about if their favorite character will win.
I fwu funny asl and you actually might be right with some of these I get that “Omni baited red rush” but if he perceives everything in hours how tf did he get caught?
You make such a good point being a speedster is SUPER OP FRRR
You are exactly like me 😂
I always get so irritated by all this lazy A$$ writing. My favorite speedster is The Flash and I've watched it's 9 seasons as well. What I totally hate about it is that they make him run at so much speed yet also loose to a non-speedster. The main villains were good but all that non-speedster catching flash Bull$hit was incredibly not-necessary. Instead, they could've made less episodes and with logic and enough budget for VFX so there's a Win-Win for both them and us viewers. Hope the flash and other speedsters to get what they deserve. A good writing!
Yeah love that show too man.
But Omni quite literally can move at light speed? Why are you mocking that. He left the entire Solar System in an hour. He is faster than light. Yet you act like the person who said it is stupid. He travelled dozens of lightyears in less than 2 weeks.
Then it would contradict him getting shit on by robots no? How would they even be able to touch him if he’s faster then light? Either way his powers work irregularly
It would've made more sense If omni man guessed where Red Rush was going to be, began to lift his hand and stretch out his arm to make it look like its to block, than just barley grab the end of his hand when Red Rush was pulling his fist away.
I think that the whole perception thing that Red Rush had going on should’ve not been written in order for it to make slightly more sense. It’s probably what makes the fight worse, even if Omni-Man does have apparent speed react relative to his speeds, since Red Rush should still be virtually untouchable if he had a better strategy. But it doesn’t even matter at that point since Red Rush doesn’t need a sound strategy when he is essentially throwing darts at a slug.