The Police & Crime Commissioner Elections Explained: Who are they & why are we Voting? - TLDR News
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On May 6th (almost) everyone in England and Wales gets the opportunity to elect a new Police and Crime Commissioner for their region. The problem is that most people don't really understand what a PCC is, why they're there and how they're elected. So in this video, we attempt to demystify the PCC & explain why you should vote on May 6th.
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My biggest problem with it is the real lack of easily available information on the people standing and their objectives. I remember the last one I tried to find information and it was very sparse, there had apparently been a QA put on but it hadn't really been advertised so no one knew about.
Yea, i never even knew this was a thing, im 26, i was uh 19? 20? during the last one. I struggled to find the candidates for my area (dyfed poweys, wales) honestly im a bit of an introvert so hearing no one turns up makes me feel a lil socially awkward about going.
Quite, looked up the two running for Sussex, one was a total ghost and the other was the previous PCC with also little info.
@@felixsanders1691 for my area, the lib dem candidate honestly seem pretty what id wanna vote for, its a younger looking person i would like to get more young people in positions
Agreed, they are almost always people who won't have personal experience of social issues ect therefore prioritize the wrong things.
@@felixsanders1691 Iv always wondered how the lib dems would lead anything, people seem to have an inherently negative opinion on them so i really have no idea what there goals of policy's are or how they would run things if they ever got any roles that are big.
Imagine just being the only one walking into that polling station. You’d get the winning vote...once in a life time opportunity!
True
what about postal votes?
@@realnoahsimpson not as exciting
There is more than one polling station for each police and crime commissioner
That was only one polling station in the area, other polling stations still had turnout.
If you've ever wondered, this what we Americans mean when we talk about Sheriffs. They're elected officials who oversee regional law enforcement. Similarly to London and Manchester, cities have their own systems. Sheriffs are elected on the county level.
And just like the PCC, voter turnout is very low
We have sheriffs here but they have a different role. The word comes from Shire reeve, which originated in the middle ages.
@@aurynlalor1366 do they still have any role in the modern UK, or are they just ceremonial?
@@jesseberg3271 Sherrifs in the UK are ceremonial. In the dark/ middle ages they would have been basically a peace keeper working on behalf of the king.
@@jesseberg3271 sheriffs in Scotland are part of the court system - we have our own legal system north o the border. I think they do the lower level cases.
In my area I have a choice of
* Someone that runs a PR firm
* A TV scriptwriter
* An ex RAF officer
* An ex police officer
edit: Should have added this ages ago, the PR guy won
I'd vote for the scriptwriter just based off that information
@@okok72277 lol
just pick the most racist
I had:
* A butcher
* Someone with a leather fetish
* A job centre worker
* A 'knocker-upper'
The bent police usually win
We're actually meant to call it "the service" now. Official vocab guidelines state that "force" is "too aggressive"
when is the Welsh Elections video comming? we cant ignore Wales! these videos are so informative and amazing!
Yes barely anyone even mentions it
I'm sure Wales is coming. They've got a lot to get through - councils, mayoralties, PCCs, devolved parliaments and Westminster by-elections.
Don't forget the amount of voting this year is double what it would normally be since last year's ballots were postponed due to covid.
I'll be honest, PCCs are the only elections I don't bother turning out for, I'm just not convinced that the person who runs the police ought to be under direct democratic control.
This is not to disparage PCCs themselves, who I'm sure work very hard in a difficult job, and many of whom have had notable successes. I'm just not sure that being chosen in a low-turnout public vote from by people who don't know what you do and mostly just elect you on the colour of your rosette is a good idea.
Fully agree. If it has to be an election, why the hell are political parties involved either way? Policing is often a key topic at general elections and the main issues (as far as I know - Such as police numbers, funding, prison privatisation and drug decriminalisation) are (or can be) addressed there. It's like voting who should be running hospitals in your region.
@@tenaciousdean6179 I suppose there is an argument that different parts of the country have different policing priorities. That is partially true but if that's the rationale behind them then the PCCs still don't make much sense because there are still really big variations within the regions they represent. Luton, a working-class London overspill town with a recent history of ethnic tensions, has very different policing needs to affluent market towns like Ampthill, Woburn etc. Yet we all elect the same Police and Crime Commissioner for Bedfordshire.
It’s fixed anyway
West Yorkshire will lose its PCC when it elects its new metropolitan mayor this year
Yeah which makes the election kinda redundant.
Ngl, researching the candidates for my smaller county was somewhat difficult. But I've now filled in my postal vote with what information I could get and hope to send it off ASAP!
As far as I am aware, Greater Manchester did have a PCC until 2017 when the role merged with the GMCA mayor. I think all the other "metro mayor" areas have kept the PCC role separate, though I think the West Midlands is trying to merge theirs.
West Midlands could however i think their voting area is larger than the actual area that WMP covers
@@steve6173 Isn't both of them the West Midlands county? Or does the WMCA have something weird going on?
West Yorkshire are merging PCC with West Yorkshire mayor shortly
West Yorkshire's PCC powers are going to their new Mayor which will be elected this time.
This works for some of the Metro Mayoralties, but not all of them since the Combined Authorities don't all cover the exact same areas as the police territories.
u forgot to mention that in a few areas, commissioners have a role overseeing the fire service as well
I've voted in every general election since i've been old enough to vote, but i've never voted for a PCC. I mean i maybe would if i was walking past a polling station on election day, but i probably wouldn't even know who to vote for.
Great work as usual guys 👍🏾
Good.
Can you an in depth video about the regions mayoral elections. They often get overlooked.
I'd also like to see them cover the three upcoming Westminster by-elections
Could you do a video on the Manchester Mayor? It's quite a new role and would be nice to learn about what it involves specifically for the city. Thanks! :)
6:40: "The turnout for this referendum was more than 45% higher..."- that technically isn't true. If my calculations are correct, it is 171% higher, or 45 percentage points.
I never knew this was a thing so your video has informed me
The PCC in my area in Wales worked with my mam in prisons, he’s been amazing ngl. He’s prioritised drug addiction as a health issue not a crime issue, to the point where there’s a current trial on using medicinal cannabis to ease hard opium users with rehabilitative care. We can already see a difference in the community
Better not to be a druggy though. Sign of better moral values.
Brilliant as always
Yes.
I was literally thinking this lmao thank you for this
I always vote independent on this. It's legally required that the police are politically neutral and I don't see that being possible with party aligned leadership.
Great video!
Came here after "Brits only poll" didn't realize Brits meant england and Wales 😂🤦🏻♂️
I think the UK needs compulsory voting as engagement will increase, but also none of the above should also be added if it is introduced
I'm not from the UK but I think politics in law enforcement are a recipe for disaster and if the armed forces had politics mixed in as well that would be even worse.
You omitted to point out that Scotland has a separate system of law to the rest of the U.K., nothing to do with devolution but everything to do with its union with England.
in Wales, any proportionate representation would make Plaid Cymru possibly the second-largest party, it's a close-run thing. It's like the Greens - or Ukip - underrepresentation due to first past the post
Eric Cartman for Police and Crime Commissioner.
You will respect his authoritaah!!!
Any plans to do a video about the Senedd election?
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@@user-op8fg3ny3j I agree.
r u on the wrong video
And catalonia independence!
@@cosmogally1964 Probably yes.
Nobody:
Southerners: "Northern Island"
After watching Line of Duty this election seems a lot more important to me
Ty
4:50 is this a cgp grey reference? He has a video on this topic
Are there plans to vote Other Mayoral elections like WYCA mayor as well as the Senadd elections in wales? I think this are very important.
The fact that the police commissioner is associated with a political party makes me not want to vote for them.
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Can we finally get a "TL:DR Elections" channel.
Zero information on council website. Had to dig just to find their party affiliation. They’ve always been a failed role and really need to go.
I thought that the PCC in South Yorkshire (and, I assume, other City Regions) was supposed to be replaced by the City Region Mayor?
Really like The Youth Vote UK's Instagram content 🙌
Thank you for this vid, someone I knew was not going to vote today because they did not know what they were voting for until I showed them this vid
This model seems broken, your vote doesn't hold the police to account, it holds the person who is supposed to reign in the police to account.
Well done to TLDR for highlighting this topic. If you read the rest of the media, you'd never know the PCC elections were happening.
So you mentioned the Scottish and London elections but decided the welsh elections weren't important enough to mention
Please do Wales next
Can you please do a video on the Senedd election!
bit of an extreme thumbnail 😂 “what the HELL are...”
Funnily, it was an accurate representation of my view on the topic. Like he said in the video, most of us have no clue what it’s about, and it’s pretty hard to find much coverage of it. 😄
To be fair that's what pretty much everyone's thinking. What the actual hell are they and who are they and what do they do
Hey I'd really appreciate a video breaking down what all the party manefestos for the welsh elections in may. I know you've already done london and scotland and Wales would be really helpful thanks
also why do I vote 3 times? super confused plus I'm a student so i get 4 votes in total XD
Can you please do a video on the Senedd next!
Thames Valley is #43 and it's a massive force
Wont west yorkshire also be getting a mayor this election cycle so will no longer have a PCC?
Heads up, hon...It's "seh·kruh·tuh·ree". Not "sek-y'tree".
Voted by post the other day and there was no information on the candidates that I could find online for either the local council vote or the Hampshire PCC. The most I could find for the PCC was a BBC News article that had 1 sentence and 1 paragraph per candidate. I had to just default to my usual voting tendency of Labour for the local council position. It was a terribly unsatisfying way to vote.
Why is the Police and Crime Plan not written before the election so the public can use that as a metric for who to vote for?
How can you possibly expect people to care about something, which the media doesn't care about?
The public knows about whatever the media decides to tell them about. So if the media doesn't talk about this election, how can anyone expect the public to turn up and vote?
Is the mixed member proportional representative the ideal system and if so, why?
As American I can with confidence that elections for law enforcement officials is a absolutely stupid idea
As a Newport citizen, I can confirm that most people here don't give the slightest about stuff like this.
i enjoyed that thumbnail for some reason
He has cute way of saying Secretary. I never knew Secretary had a Y in the middle
You're missing something quite important. In areas with directly elected mayors (eg. West Yorkshire, West Midlands), it's the Mayor who picks the PCC. (At least, I think that's right, I didn't have a PCC ballot paper with my postal vote in West Yorkshire)
City of London Police and Corporation video please!
It doesn't help that we vote on Thursdays (imagine working 12 night hour shifts as a manual labourer), sure postal votes are a thing, but you still have to remember to inconvenience oneself for that.
Voting turnout would be much higher if we voted on weekends and allowed more time to vote, also registration is antiquated and a deterrent to people who don't have too much time on their hands.
The problem is also with the polling cards, they hold the county council elections at the same time on the same day in the same place presumably to get more turn out but then they put ‘election for the police and crime commissioners for [name of force]’ at the top of the card and then on the next line ‘election for a [county name] county councillor for [electoral district name]’ second when it should be the other way... I know so many people who threw their polling cards away thinking it was just PCC elections
Seems like a pointless encroachment of politics into policing to me. I think a better system would for all the MPs that represent constituents who live within a given policing area to collectively hold the chief constable for that area to account, just as they do the national government
Hear Hear! Add on a couple of retired senior police officers (and firefighters where applicable) as they have frontline expertise and can advise the party political panel.
Elect your new Boss Hogg.
This is the kind of election I'd turn up to vote blank
In my region the Office of PCC consists of 11 full-time-equivalent roles and cost the local council tax payers a mere £3Million per year, plus and additional £7Million from central Government. So yes, totally worth it! (for the people working in that office)
I will admit I don't live in the UK, so I was thoroughly shocked when you said the conservatives have been in power since 2010 (7:24). That is a long time for one political party. Can we get some more videos explaining the UK voting system and the political parties? I realize you have posted a few videos similar to this, but it is not enough.
It's not the longest, the conservatives were in power rom 79-97, 18 years! Labour then followed with a 13 year streak, and I think that's the best they've ever managed.
@@Croz89 13 year streak, actually. 97-2010
@@Tobberz Sorry, you're right, I misread it. I've edited my comment.
@@Tobberz Seems like the Tories are close to the thirteen year marks considering they don’t need to do a snap election and go through the 5 year term.
@@ricardobarahona3939 Yeah but I'd wager they'll win the next election whenever it's held, so they could easily beat the old 18 year record.
@6:43 I don't think it is 45% higher. It may be 45 percentage points higher though
Maybe this could be a good idea for the US. Although then again, they also have direct elections of some local and state judges, and usually in conservative areas, the judge candidates all try to be as "though on crime" as possible
My Lib Dem candidate served in the Royal Marines for 21 or so years. I think he's up to the job!
Much better coverage than the BBC
I wonder if Brian Rose will run for PCC after the mayoral election?😂
Id never even heard of these damn
I'm somewhat sceptical about the Police and Crime Commissioner elections, they are the only elections I don't vote in. I'm concerned that it could lead to the politicisation of the police, if the commissioner has political interests/ambitions.
Do other people have this concern? I'm also open to hearing counter-arguments for this. Cheers.
Police forces have always been politicised - police comes from the same 'polis' as in metropolis.
Democratic oversight or control stems from the idea of 'policing by consent'. When police forces fail to act or overreact, the flack really should be aimed at whoever oversees them if its a long-standing issue. The same goes for corruption, if elected officials are bent, they'll put pressure on the police to accommodate that corruption. Nobody has thought of a better system yet. The alternative model is the militia model or State soldiers as keepers of order.
The British tried introducing militias but these initiatives failed as they were seen at the time as intolerably illiberal. The forces which were introduced were made to be as civilian as possible - that's why they don't carry guns and the uniform was blue (soldiers wore red at the time) to make them as distinct from soldiers as possible.
Gloucestershire residents! Personally I find Martin Surl (incumbent independent) to be a grounded, nice man. BUT AVOID CHRIS NELSON! Conservative PCC candidate who actively wants to bring politics into policing?! Gross
I always felt the job title was wrong ... this person does not (should not) be commissioning any crime, that is surely the job of the criminals.
If the intention (stated) was to increase accountability, while efffecting no changes to the work undertaken and seemingly foisting individuals with unknown experience onto the voting public .... has it achieved its goal? If not, is it likely to?
what about the welsh senedd elections
Screw this 🤦♂️ I’m going back to my book...
I suppose I will have the option of voting for any one of three people I have never heard of.
My mum isn’t voting (I tried to persuade her) because she said she can’t be bothered... all the councillors are crap anyway apparently 😅
Everyone in some sort of authority is, with very few exceptions, out for him or herself. They couldn't care tuppence about the voting public. You only have to look at their enormous pensions, and they get full wages during lockdowns,
Why don’t they let people have a 3rd choice, 4th choice, and so on? Why only limit it at 2?
makes it simpler i guess and only the top two go to 2nd round and in this country anyway there's only really 2 potential winners for the majority of places
How is the independence of the police guaranteed when there's political/partisan oversight? This is a big problem in India.
To me, this position is just being used as position to hold and take the big pay day check and move onto more influential postions. I would rather have someone appointed, who know what they are doing, rather than some political chancer with a certain coloured rosette on.
6:19 I think people want the police to listen but I think they expect that to happen through the national government not through some obscure county level official no one has ever heard of!
Vote, it's the only way to get your voice heard
Very efficient to plan the crime up front.
I still don't understand what difference it makes depending on what political party they are with. Is it Labour allocates more funding and Tories less or what?
You didn't mention the worst things and complaints that , Minorities are those suffering the most of this department who abuse their given power's like ' stop & search power's, racially profiling them and arresting handcuff them for nothing then some time being in a nice car or standing walking on a street in the country that they consider drugs area, painting all of them the same brush. And because they are minorities, their vote doesn't say much. And ofcourse most from the majority have no problem with this department and don't even care who is leading this department.
So it's a failure of an accountability system?
Stop and search was introduced in Glasgow to deal with the utterly awful knife crime problem and change the culture. Knife crime has fallen in Glasgow believe it or not. Glasgow is almost entirely white and stop-and-search didn't unfairly target minorities.
There is no legitimate reason for one to carry a machete around. Stopping people carrying knives is the only way to prevent knife crime. The perpetrators and victims of knife crime were also poor. Not dealing with knife crime and violent crime is arguably classist and racist
I'm paying £250 a year for a PCC, up 6.4% from last year. Am I getting value for money?
Are you in a high council tax band? That seems a very hefty precept for the PCC
Should we really be voting for our police? I’ve always had a problem with elected judges, they can’t be impartial IMO. Why is this different?
Why is the police & crime commissioner a partizan position?
Why do they commission the police AND crime?
I honestly think this is one of those areas that I categorize as "We are voting on too many things subjects". Accountability should be held against the laws run through the goverment, not as a separate election. I see with terror the Sherrif and judge election system in the US in comparison. Recently saw coverage of US sheriffs not upholding the new gun laws in the US because it was not what they were elected for. On the other hand, also saw some sheriffs not cracking down too hard on small drug crimes.
they are a total waste of public money
If there's going to be anyone watch-dogging the police, they should be non-police and politically impartial.
More people have already watched this video than will probably vote for Police and Crime Commissioner