Yes, I believe it could. I live in a condo and especially if I missed I believe a round could penetrate the walls into my neighbors condo across the hire if I fired at someone coming into my hallway door. On the other hand if a fired at someone coming into my bedroom door at would be unlikely the round would leave my place. There is always the chance if there was a struggle and a shot went through the ceiling my neighbors place upstairs would probably be hit. There is a concrete floor between my place and the garage below so I don’t see a danger there. There really his only one viable exit from my condo which is the door. Even though I have a deck it is too high to jump from.
Probably not, there is about 50 yards between my house and theirs. Edit: forgot to mention, I'm using a Ruger LCR, in .38 special it not perfect but its what I have.
@@AdL629 5.56 is as good as 9mm as far as not over penetrating, because while it is a faster round, it is lighter so it will dissipate/tumble fairly easy
@@rowdyghost4713 I decided to look it up, and one video showed both 9mm and .223 went through 5 walls (10 drywall sheets) and 6+" through ballistic gel...at least it's not as loud. We'll try not to miss! Wife and I try to hit the range every Friday.
Always use a jacketed hollow point. Do not use a rifle or an AR for home defense. Way too much chance for the round to overpen or for s stray round to go thru walls and hit god knows what. You want ammo what will expand on impact thus lowering its chance of overpenetrating whatever it hits be it a wall, a door, or a person.
I have a different situation - I have 42 acres mostly wooded. I have a new home I chose to build with concrete, 4 inch walls for insulation and sound. My guns will not penetrate through to get into the outside world. In most situations over penetration is a concern.
Yeah, this really resonates with me, as there is literally only one direction that doesn't have another's home in potential LOF. Straight down, and even that is concrete so who knows where a ricochet could end up. That's why there is only bird shot in the shotgun, and standard load 9mm hollow points in the handgun. There might be other loadouts that could potentially protect me better, but I believe these give the best protection to my neighbors. My strongest hope is that I never need to fire anywhere other than the local range.
Birdshot at close range can be deadly but it's not likely to stop a determined attacker. I've been loading with T shot. It should have very good stopping power and also much lower overpenetration. I can choose my shots for in-house penetration much better, so I eliminate the variables I can't control.
@@BigJon410 I live in a 12-unit building, so 11 other 1, 2 or 3 bedroom units surrounding me. Out the front door, a one-vehicle long parking with a 1 1/2ish wide 'street' and more 12 unit buildings front, left, and right. Kids galore. As weird as this might sound to some, their safety from me is more important to me than my safety from a bad guy. I am a pretty decent shot with the 9mm though, and although I've not been tested and hope to not be, I don't think I'd 'panic fire' and dump a mag at a villain. Threat stops, shooting stops. Threat surrenders, or turns and runs away, shooting never starts. Being responsible is a tough way to live, but it's also the ONLY way if you carry.
@@OGSontar Agreed. I don't want to over-penetrate or miss into the neighbors either. We are all treading a fine line between self-defense and a public menace even with our unalienable rights intact.
@@carljohnson4996 Right on....I think 99.9 percent of responsible gun owners hope to never ever have to draw down on another person. But I also won't abandon our right to protect ourselves and our family under the 2A ammendment 💪🏼....wish you well my friend
I'm a ccw holder and any bullet that leaves my barrel I am responsible for to my opinion, I'm not sure all gun owners are held to that standard but that's the standard I go by being a responsible ccw holder. Don't get me wrong in a mass shooting or something like that anything could happen but I train as much as I can to keep from shooting an innocent person
My frustration is that most USCCA videos pose a question that is answered with, "Depends on where you are. Know your laws." The thing that furthers that frustration is that this is of no fault to the USCCA; it's the murky, gray wording of the laws - federal, state, and local. If there isn't one, there should be a push for the clarification of laws, to help narrow those gaping gray areas.
This is why I like 38 special and 380 for self defense, they have less penetration than 9mm and will get the job done. I live in an apartment and I use 38 special 158 grain hollow points, it's a heavy bullet and I don't think it will penetrate walls Like a 9mm.
Great video guys. I agree, you have to plan for these situations in advance. This way you'll be more prepared and more educated on the right thing to do.
@@allptotx An estimation, a prediction, training and education, stern awareness will all help increase survivability. You never know EXACTLY what's coming, but just sitting and doing nothing is always the wrong move.
Every round that comes out of the gun you are responsible for. I live in a townhouse and have side neighbors. I want to keep the criminal near the back patio so the bullet if missed will go into the back yard as my neighbors are about 200 to 300 yards away vs my 2 side neighbors. Use heavy grain hollow points 9mm preferred .
I know here in Ohio I do believe not long ago Ohio became a “stand your ground” state where you don’t have to retreat if someone breaks in and threatens you or your family
Ultimately yes, but more likely civilly and not criminally. Most everyone forgets that the main element of most crimes is intent. So if a prosecutor can make the case that in the split second you defend yourself in a violent attack, that you intentionally tried to miss and intentionally wanted a bullet to go through your walls and strike a neighbor……….. then you said too much to investigators.
You need to look at ballistic tests using hollow points. Gel blocks, meat, sheetrock and wood all tell different tales. I've seen hollow points in 9mm, .357 magnums .44 magnums not expand one bit in sheetrock! One YT video had a . 357 magnum go thru 19 sheets of 5/8" sheetrock and the .44 magnum thru 22 sheets of it. NO expansion in either round! I forget what the 9mm did. You'd be better off with .380 Winchester silver tips HP's or something similar in .380 if neighbors' safety's your concern. Edited: You need to look at ballistic tests using hollow points. Changed from: You need to look at ballistic tests.
@@Cosmicsurfpro What's too slow? .380? You might want to look up the ballistics charts in them. Today's .380s arent your daddy's .380s! We're talking about not over penetrating walls here. Less than 30 miles fro here 2 children, one at 3 the other at 9 years of age have been killed by punks having shootouts/ drive-by shootings while sleeping in their bedrooms private houses. One, the little 3 year old girl by a 9mm, I'm not sure but the 9 year girl old was killed by I'm thinking a 39 X 7.62 mm most commonly the round fired by AK-47's and solely by SKS's. My point is not in arguing here but maybe, and prayerfully to save innocent bystanders from harm and to help inform the some 2 million or more new gun owners over the last few years in the USA. I know a good bit about firearms having shot about 100 different kinds and calibers since I was 5 years old and I'm in my early 60's now. A .380 HP rnd won't pass thru 1.5 inches of yellow pine lumber, but I care not to put into words "the rest of the story". Most Continental European Countries' police used either.380 ACP (France I know) or 9 mm Kurtz which is between the , traditional 380 ACP and 9 mm Luger loadings in bullet grain and velocity.
Remember the word KEEP. (Knowledge, Education, Experience, Practice ) "Knowledge" is the best tool you got. "Educate" yourself about the laws where you live. Study your weapon (s) and their uses. Learn different Ammo and what they are capable of. Study your surroundings and what's beyond the area. Become familiar with the structure of your home or business and the direction of things beyond each wall or doorway. Become "experienced" with your weapon and what it can and can't do. "Practice" regularly. Just cause you hit the target a few times doesn't mean your done. A boxer can fight but they continue practicing. A music band knows the songs but they practice constantly. No matter how good you are or how much you know, you can always be better and learn more. OK, that's all I got for ya. There is more to add to those 4 words but in a effort to try and keep the comment short enough to read. KEEP is something I came up with in the past teaching some friends how to handle guns. If you like, feel free to use it 👍👍
Which is better; low grain or high grain 9mm hollow points? I think high grain is better because it requires more energy to push and once it hits bone, it’ll be more likely to spread/break apart and because it requires more energy, it shouldn’t travel as far with a lower grain 9mm hollow point and become weaker at penetration at further distances.
No. My closest neighbor is about 100 yards away. I live in a brick house and use 9mm HP. Now, I am very mindful of my line of fire when we have people over, but usually just my wife and I, so normally we just need to to be aware where each other is.
USA: "Every bullet has a lawsuit attached to it." USSR: "Every lawsuit has a bullet attached to it." DPRK (executes people with AA gun): "Hold my portrait of Dear Leader..."
There is no God. Find a criminal lawyer now and save his/her contact into your phone so you may call them after you call 911 after a shooting if it were to happen.
Certainly any judge would rule that a person in their own home shouldn’t have to retreat, right? Castle doctrine or stand your grand should be a definite right?
@@fuhq5121 that’s what Castle Doctrine or stand your ground is though, at least in VA. If met with a threat of your life or being grievously injured there is no duty to retreat, so long as the one defending their life is in a place they’re legally allowed to be and no rude gesture is made to provoke someone. The idea that someone would have to retreat from their home is crazy 😂
This is why I study ammo and pick the right one to use in my home if I have to shoot and not have one go into my neighbor house or one of my kids but being a dead shot helps a lot along with having been under fire, then there I train everyday and I train hard even with all that I still worry about missing that one time and it going real bad.
This is my worse fear. I live in apartments. I try to go over it in my head repeatedly. I'm on second floor and thinking if I roll out of bed (if at night and I'm in bed), I can shoot upwards. But, what if I'm walking around my place and they randomly kick in the door and there he is. It stresses me out. I use Hornady Critical Duty ammo. I'm in Texas.
Helps is the key word. I saw a comment recently where a woman got mad at her husband . She shot a 44 magnum thru the sheetrock wall, it passed thru the brick veneer of their house. The police were called to their neighbor's out their backyard. He was mowing his grass when all of a sudden his push mower stopped dead cold. He saw a hole in its engine and most of the oil pouring out of it. The bullet had passed right between his legs! I've 40 years construction experience. Some homes are built of solid brick but most are of the type that have 8 little holes in them and are called architectural bricks. I doubt they'd completely stop a 22 LR round. Edited: PS - I'll try it on the architectural type because I'm curious of that now. I know that I've shot a lot of what are called steel pins aka nails thru wood into concrete and steel with 22 caliber power actuated nail guns! FYI: The concrete took higher powered loads to fasten wood to it than did the steel!
Umm yes u are responsible - & that’s why u need to practice using ur fire arm , don’t just buy it & store it & also use defensive amo ...it usually doesn’t penetrate too much like a full metal jacket would ....full metal jackets are the most dangerous amo u can have in ur gun for home defense or self defense ....
I believe it should fall on the criminal. The defender may not have time or money to get training, may have had just bought the gun and have no experience, or depending how stressful that situation was that will effect how the shooting roles. But that defender would never have had fired if that criminal didn’t break in. And to expect 100% accuracy while being under a intense situation it’s going to be likely a round will miss or maybe even hit something like there arm or shoulder and go right through.
If you have time or money to buy a firearm, you need to make time and money to get training. In TX we now have unlicensed carry, which is a good thing, but that should not leave room for people to assume they do not need the training. Lack of training means lack of knowledge. Lack of knowledge can have unintended bad consequences.
Not an attorney, but my .02 as a suppressor owner who did research. Suppressors are LEGAL in most states that allow its citizens to legally own any other firearm. Per the law in my state (FL) you are allowed to have a suppressor on your firearm for home defense. The fact that you used a suppressor would only be critical if you owned it illegally, and were not authorized by ATF to posses one. You can find more details at silencercentral.com
Also, be sure to use personal protection rounds, not range rounds. PPR break up on impact as designed for ultimate goal. FMJ, or range rounds can easily penitraite walls or other obstructions you can't see thru. Practice and knowledge make perfect, proper training is key.
That's why you live in the countryside. Robberies are already less likely already, there's no neighbors, you can pretty much avoid the law altogether as no one else will know it happened
I also Live in California. I had a Deputy tell me, would you want your case to be heard by twelve jurors that voted for our Governor (Newsome). Sent chills down my spine!
Can you talk about tactical knives to stop threats? I have a 10.5 inch s&w knife that I use for camping and such. But I would like to know about if I had to use it for defense.
I would never want a stray bullet from my gun shooting a bad guy to hit an innocent person. But if an activist prosecutor and judge that are anti 2A’ers and anti constitutional right to bear arms and defend yourself and your family want to put me in prison for unfortunately having to neutralize a violent threat in my home, then prison I will sit. At least my family are still alive and safe. Good info in this video.
0:08 Answering before watching the video. As I understand it, if I pull the trigger, in responsible for whatever comes out, where it goes, and who it hits. It's if me to make sure where I aim.
A very good attorney would argue that the home invader is responsible for all that occurs during his home invasion. While in the commission of a felony,the home invader is responsible for any and all persons harmed or injured in the neighboring house. Example The DWI driver fleeing from law enforcement and a innocent driver gets injured or killed during the chase.The innocent driver was killed by in the a pit maneuver used by the officer in pursuit. The officer wouldn’t be charged due to the fact that the fleeing DWI driver was the in commission of a felony that caused the death of the driver.
AS one of the commenters I also live in an RV. Locks on these things are not up to snuff as a house. but to break in would be intent. Time to react is without a doubt very very short. I carry my pistol to the bathroom so Im vigilant. A bullet of any type will travel through several RVs but within the confines of an RV 10 feet or much less, if you are ready the shot will be on target. Please go to the range and practice.
I live in a cookie cutter neighborhood. This situation is exactly why a shotgun is my home defense choice. Of course, what load I use is also a consideration. Whether I get charged or not I don't want to shoot my neighbor.
@@deebee4575 any round has a chance of over-penetration, not to mention counting a missed shot. There is no round or type that can be suggested to circumvent this. The only thing that can be said is that certain rounds or types have LESS chance of this happening.
You are better off dead than having to deal with the law after defending your self. It’s Like telling the bad guy “wait go two feet left because my neighbors window is there don’t wanna miss” and then end up in prison for protecting your family.
Knowing where your safe fields of fire are, and with which weapon they are safe, is just basic firearm safety in my opinion. Know what it takes to safely stop each of the rounds you might need to fire and put that knowledge to work for you in your drills. Take that hallway scenario where your newborn's room is behind the wall that would be the backstop for your "last stand". Yes, most pistol and rifle rounds will tear through that sheetrock like butter, #8 birdshot, not so much, and any bad guy coming up those steps is gonna have a really bad day with a face full. Even better, sounds like a great place to store all your AR500 steel targets. You'll likely never eliminate all possibility of a missed shot doing terrible things, but you can and should do everything in your power to minimize the odds of it happening. In my house I know, with complete familiarity, which are "no shoot" directions and which are "probably safe" directions. That wall down there, there's a house the other side of it with bedroom windows right at that level. Not safe to shoot in that direction with anything that will penetrate that wall. This wall and line of windows here? The other side is an elevated dirt embankment and landscaped railroad tie flower beds. Probably safe to fire that way with anything I own. My front door? Opens to my front yard which is elevated 15 feet above a quiet street, with another dirt bank on the other side. I also know what the .380 I keep in my sweats will penetrate. The bookcases in my living room almost guarantee it won't pass through and then go through my exterior wall and a neighbor's exterior wall. Same for my shotgun with #4 buck; won't penetrate one of my exterior walls and a neighbor's exterior wall in most cases. (houses in my area are about 25yds apart), neither will the aforementioned #8 birdshot. Will they stop a bad guy in my house? Almost certainly, and with minimal risk to my neighbors. Certainly far less risk than if I didn't put any thought into this and just started blasting with a .50AE in any direction. Minimize the risk. Know your environment and what your weapons can do and what they can't do. Use that knowledge to your benefit.
Had a client... negligent discharge with an AK-47. Two rounds. One round went went in the back of his girlfriend’s knee and both rounds went through the wall and ended up in the bedroom of two neighbor boys ages five and seven. Neither round hit the kids... but the client ended up doing five years for reckless aggravated assault for his girl friend’s knee. He was looking at 30 years and lost his military career. He was lucky to get the five. His girlfriend testified against him.
I live in an adult (55+) trailer park. That’s why my home defense weapon is a 590A1 12ga shotgun w/ 8 birdshot in the tube and #9 on the side plus 2 00 buck and 2 slugs. When I walk out of the bedroom, will have 9 ready ( birdshot) devastating at close range, virtually no over penetration. The other 4 in case of the need to ramp up my game. Doubt that will be necessary, but am a Boy Scout at heart.
The shortest legal barrel length with a shotgun without requiring a NFA tax stamp and registration is 18". The total length of an 18" barrel shotguns is about 40". That's a cumbersome choice for close quarters self-defense. A duty size or compact size semiautomatic pistol with a weapon light using quality hollow point ammo is a more practical choice.
@@Enjoyer.762 clearly, you have not done any shotgun training, let me educate you on a technique that greatly reduces the length of the shotgun. Only the untrained hold a shotgun in close quarters the way you describe. ruclips.net/video/ILCD4bWCvnc/видео.html Start at 7:00. ( The whole video is worth watching) A handgun still needs to be stuck out there unless you’re shooting from the hip and not aiming; if that’s your technique, for your own benefit don’t tell the police or DA that after your hollow point kills your next door neighbor’s child, who was sleeping in her bed. There are many good gun techniques on RUclips that you can practice, if you are inclined to get real training.
@@Enjoyer.762 I do agree about the light. That’s why I have a light mounted on the opposing side of the barrel that I can turn on with my thumb tip against the push button on the back of flashlight. (I don’t like the remote switches, just one more thing that can go wrong.) Some people like a handheld flashlight because you don’t have to point a loaded weapon at what you’re trying to light up. Your choice.
@@Wild_Bill57 Why would my hollow point kill the neighbor next door if I don't miss the threat? You realize you never take a shot you cannot make. Quality hollow points shot from pistols typically do not over-penetrate out of the human body. Why do you think police use them? You can determine over penetration risks with specific loads by looking up calibrated ballistic gel test videos. Secondly how can you assume what my training background is? A pistol is quicker to access, to bear, and manipulate under stress than shotgun. It also can be manipulated one handed and used both dominant and weak side if you properly train. Unfortunately, in a gun fight, sometimes the good guy gets shot / wounded too. Good luck staying the fight with your 40" overall length shotgun. Good luck trying to shoot your shotgun one hand from an unconventional position. In your situation the poor quality doors and locks in your trailer park home, a group of armed intruders will be on you before you even can access your shotgun and establish a defensive ambush position. You really need to rethink your plan. It's highly flawed.
@@Enjoyer.762 wow, under the stress of an encounter, you think you’d never miss? Trained LEO’s, FBI Officers, and MOH recipients miss. You must be the gun version of Hawkeye.. or you’re delusional. Bet you didn’t watch the video even though I gave you the link, haven’t been through any training and never change your opinion.
I can train a 12 YO girl in under an hour to hit a man size target with an AR in a doorway easily, with a red dot and mounted white light. The light identifies the target and creates photonic blindness. The dot makes precise shots very easy. An AR in 5.65 or 300 BO means nearly no recoil and easy follow up shots, if needed. The 5.56 has among the least probability of over-penetration. Less than buckshot, less than .45acp or even 9mm from a handgun. Bird shot you say? If you are very close to the intruder perhaps. At even moderate distance, it won't penetrate to vitals. Shotguns have more recoil, are slower for follow up shots and have less ammo on board to deal with multiple threats.
" When trying to defend yourself from the home invader, if that did strike someone and murder them", wait, are you a lawyer and you don't know the definition of Murder? Sad you all didn't correct this and edit it out.
@@kennethbaker5223 Since forever. Just because you can be sued or prosecuted does not mean your guilty. Even if convicted you may not have been guilty. Our prisons are a terrific example of that.
Be careful in choosing your home defense weapon and try to stay away from the hand canons they are sure to over penetrate now they are fun to shoot at the range but can become a huge liability for you too as a home defense weapon not to mention you shoot a 44 magnum .50ae or 500 magnum inside your home I think everyone would have ruptured eardrums to say the least
Newbie question. Wouldn't a bean bag round, then a bird shot round, and finally a slug work? I remember reading this somewhere for home defense with a shotgun.
The detective who fired into Breonna Taylor’s apartment sent rounds into the adjacent apartment. He was charged with reckless endangerment, even though nobody was hit in that apartment. I live in a condo community, but there are concrete walls. The one exception is the front wall, and that’s the direction I’m mostly likely going to need to shoot(!!!).
Comment Below: Would your home defense gun over penetrate into the neighbors home?
Yes, I believe it could. I live in a condo and especially if I missed I believe a round could penetrate the walls into my neighbors condo across the hire if I fired at someone coming into my hallway door. On the other hand if a fired at someone coming into my bedroom door at would be unlikely the round would leave my place. There is always the chance if there was a struggle and a shot went through the ceiling my neighbors place upstairs would probably be hit. There is a concrete floor between my place and the garage below so I don’t see a danger there. There really his only one viable exit from my condo which is the door. Even though I have a deck it is too high to jump from.
Probably not, there is about 50 yards between my house and theirs.
Edit: forgot to mention, I'm using a Ruger LCR, in .38 special it not perfect but its what I have.
This is why we went with a 9mm PCC instead of 5.56. Wife likes shooting it better too, so there is another plus.
@@AdL629 5.56 is as good as 9mm as far as not over penetrating, because while it is a faster round, it is lighter so it will dissipate/tumble fairly easy
@@rowdyghost4713 I decided to look it up, and one video showed both 9mm and .223 went through 5 walls (10 drywall sheets) and 6+" through ballistic gel...at least it's not as loud. We'll try not to miss! Wife and I try to hit the range every Friday.
A very wise cop once said, " It isn't the bullet that has my name on it that worries me, it's all of those that are marked 'To whom it may concern!' "
The more you know the safer it is for everybody
100 % Right On
Yep!
You’re responsible for every bullet, easiest way to remember
Yes, yes you are, you are responsible for every round you squeeze off. There are ammo options to prevent over penetration.
Unless you are a cop!
@KissaludeThe insurance company would put the blame on the car that caused you to swerve. Not everything is one person's fault
Frangibles?
Always use a jacketed hollow point. Do not use a rifle or an AR for home defense. Way too much chance for the round to overpen or for s stray round to go thru walls and hit god knows what. You want ammo what will expand on impact thus lowering its chance of overpenetrating whatever it hits be it a wall, a door, or a person.
@@sg7914 Finding those rounds is going to be your biggest problem. Not typical gun store stock.
I have a different situation - I have 42 acres mostly wooded. I have a new home
I chose to build with concrete, 4 inch walls for insulation and sound. My guns
will not penetrate through to get into the outside world. In most situations over
penetration is a concern.
Always be aware of what's behind your target.
Thank you! That used to be in new gun user manuals all of the time, going back to the 1970's in my personal knowledge.
Yeah, this really resonates with me, as there is literally only one direction that doesn't have another's home in potential LOF. Straight down, and even that is concrete so who knows where a ricochet could end up. That's why there is only bird shot in the shotgun, and standard load 9mm hollow points in the handgun.
There might be other loadouts that could potentially protect me better, but I believe these give the best protection to my neighbors.
My strongest hope is that I never need to fire anywhere other than the local range.
Birdshot at close range can be deadly but it's not likely to stop a determined attacker. I've been loading with T shot. It should have very good stopping power and also much lower overpenetration. I can choose my shots for in-house penetration much better, so I eliminate the variables I can't control.
I am in the same boat. There is reduced recoil 00 buckshot or #4 buckshot.
@@BigJon410 I live in a 12-unit building, so 11 other 1, 2 or 3 bedroom units surrounding me. Out the front door, a one-vehicle long parking with a 1 1/2ish wide 'street' and more 12 unit buildings front, left, and right. Kids galore.
As weird as this might sound to some, their safety from me is more important to me than my safety from a bad guy. I am a pretty decent shot with the 9mm though, and although I've not been tested and hope to not be, I don't think I'd 'panic fire' and dump a mag at a villain. Threat stops, shooting stops. Threat surrenders, or turns and runs away, shooting never starts.
Being responsible is a tough way to live, but it's also the ONLY way if you carry.
@@OGSontar Agreed. I don't want to over-penetrate or miss into the neighbors either. We are all treading a fine line between self-defense and a public menace even with our unalienable rights intact.
@@OGSontar At home I also always have a flashlight attached to all my pistole & shotgun to help me aim.
Excellent points.
Luckily we have zero neighbors within gun shot range
Same
I live in a apartment complex so unfortunately I can’t say the same hopefully I never have to use my gun but it’s good to have just in case…
@@carljohnson4996 Right on....I think 99.9 percent of responsible gun owners hope to never ever have to draw down on another person. But I also won't abandon our right to protect ourselves and our family under the 2A ammendment 💪🏼....wish you well my friend
I'm a ccw holder and any bullet that leaves my barrel I am responsible for to my opinion, I'm not sure all gun owners are held to that standard but that's the standard I go by being a responsible ccw holder. Don't get me wrong in a mass shooting or something like that anything could happen but I train as much as I can to keep from shooting an innocent person
My frustration is that most USCCA videos pose a question that is answered with, "Depends on where you are. Know your laws."
The thing that furthers that frustration is that this is of no fault to the USCCA; it's the murky, gray wording of the laws - federal, state, and local. If there isn't one, there should be a push for the clarification of laws, to help narrow those gaping gray areas.
This is why I like 38 special and 380 for self defense, they have less penetration than 9mm and will get the job done. I live in an apartment and I use 38 special 158 grain hollow points, it's a heavy bullet and I don't think it will penetrate walls Like a 9mm.
Great question an a amazing answer 👏 Thanks
Great video guys. I agree, you have to plan for these situations in advance. This way you'll be more prepared and more educated on the right thing to do.
you don't know what kind of situation you will be in, you can't plan for it.
@@allptotx An estimation, a prediction, training and education, stern awareness will all help increase survivability. You never know EXACTLY what's coming, but just sitting and doing nothing is always the wrong move.
Every round that comes out of the gun you are responsible for. I live in a townhouse and have side neighbors. I want to keep the criminal near the back patio so the bullet if missed will go into the back yard as my neighbors are about 200 to 300 yards away vs my 2 side neighbors. Use heavy grain hollow points 9mm preferred .
I know here in Ohio I do believe not long ago Ohio became a “stand your ground” state where you don’t have to retreat if someone breaks in and threatens you or your family
That’s what I was expecting Texas to think of.
I love that they passed that here. It’s really what it should be.
Nobody should be taking shots they can't make.
Yes, you are responsible for the path and destination of every bullet you fire, and yes you will be held accountable.
Ultimately yes, but more likely civilly and not criminally. Most everyone forgets that the main element of most crimes is intent. So if a prosecutor can make the case that in the split second you defend yourself in a violent attack, that you intentionally tried to miss and intentionally wanted a bullet to go through your walls and strike a neighbor……….. then you said too much to investigators.
That’s why you don’t use FMJ ammo for self-defense
FMJ or HP dont matter what bullet it is you still got to pay a price for any bullet you shot out
@@bigdaddyking5004 hp expands and stops sooner that's all
You need to look at ballistic tests using hollow points. Gel blocks, meat, sheetrock and wood all tell different tales. I've seen hollow points in 9mm, .357 magnums .44 magnums not expand one bit in sheetrock! One YT video had a . 357 magnum go thru 19 sheets of 5/8" sheetrock and the .44 magnum thru 22 sheets of it. NO expansion in either round! I forget what the 9mm did. You'd be better off with .380 Winchester silver tips HP's or something similar in .380 if neighbors' safety's your concern.
Edited: You need to look at ballistic tests using hollow points. Changed from: You need to look at ballistic tests.
@@captainjack8823 they are too slow to expand. HP is better and 9mm is plenty
@@Cosmicsurfpro What's too slow? .380? You might want to look up the ballistics charts in them. Today's .380s arent your daddy's .380s!
We're talking about not over penetrating walls here. Less than 30 miles fro here 2 children, one at 3 the other at 9 years of age have been killed by punks having shootouts/ drive-by shootings while sleeping in their bedrooms private houses. One, the little 3 year old girl by a 9mm, I'm not sure but the 9 year girl old was killed by I'm thinking a 39 X 7.62 mm most commonly the round fired by AK-47's and solely by SKS's.
My point is not in arguing here but maybe, and prayerfully to save innocent bystanders from harm and to help inform the some 2 million or more new gun owners over the last few years in the USA.
I know a good bit about firearms having shot about 100 different kinds and calibers since I was 5 years old and I'm in my early 60's now.
A .380 HP rnd won't pass thru 1.5 inches of yellow pine lumber, but I care not to put into words "the rest of the story". Most Continental European Countries' police used either.380 ACP (France I know) or 9 mm Kurtz which is between the , traditional 380 ACP and 9 mm Luger loadings in bullet grain and velocity.
Thanks for the educational content.
Remember the word KEEP.
(Knowledge, Education, Experience, Practice )
"Knowledge" is the best tool you got.
"Educate" yourself about the laws where you live. Study your weapon (s) and their uses. Learn different Ammo and what they are capable of.
Study your surroundings and what's beyond the area. Become familiar with the structure of your home or business and the direction of things beyond each wall or doorway.
Become "experienced" with your weapon and what it can and can't do.
"Practice" regularly. Just cause you hit the target a few times doesn't mean your done.
A boxer can fight but they continue practicing. A music band knows the songs but they practice constantly.
No matter how good you are or how much you know, you can always be better and learn more.
OK, that's all I got for ya.
There is more to add to those 4 words but in a effort to try and keep the comment short enough to read.
KEEP is something I came up with in the past teaching some friends how to handle guns. If you like, feel free to use it 👍👍
Dude Rick! Never heard or read this one before. Love it. "KEEP" Only thing I differ on is practice gives us Experience. Namaste Rick.
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Thanks Robert. Appreciate it 👍👍
Which is better; low grain or high grain 9mm hollow points?
I think high grain is better because it requires more energy to push and once it hits bone, it’ll be more likely to spread/break apart and because it requires more energy, it shouldn’t travel as far with a lower grain 9mm hollow point and become weaker at penetration at further distances.
Look up ballistic gel test data for the loads you are thinking about using.
No. My closest neighbor is about 100 yards away. I live in a brick house and use 9mm HP. Now, I am very mindful of my line of fire when we have people over, but usually just my wife and I, so normally we just need to to be aware where each other is.
USA: "Every bullet has a lawsuit attached to it."
USSR: "Every lawsuit has a bullet attached to it."
DPRK (executes people with AA gun): "Hold my portrait of Dear Leader..."
God please bless me so i dont have to shoot anyone ever. But if that happens , i hope i get a lawyer like this gentalman .
There is no God. Find a criminal lawyer now and save his/her contact into your phone so you may call them after you call 911 after a shooting if it were to happen.
@@furonwarrior Kind of the point of having a USCCA membership.
Thats why I use a Shockwave for home defense…. Well hopefully I’ll never actually use it for home defense.
Certainly any judge would rule that a person in their own home shouldn’t have to retreat, right? Castle doctrine or stand your grand should be a definite right?
"Should be" but not always the case.
No. Not at all. They would say duty to retreat is humane.
In the State of Maryland you have Castle Doctrine but you have to prove that the use of deadly force was just in the situation.
@@AIRFORCEFREAK1 Should be an easy thing to prove if your home is broken into 😂
@@fuhq5121 that’s what Castle Doctrine or stand your ground is though, at least in VA. If met with a threat of your life or being grievously injured there is no duty to retreat, so long as the one defending their life is in a place they’re legally allowed to be and no rude gesture is made to provoke someone. The idea that someone would have to retreat from their home is crazy 😂
This is why I study ammo and pick the right one to use in my home if I have to shoot and not have one go into my neighbor house or one of my kids but being a dead shot helps a lot along with having been under fire, then there I train everyday and I train hard even with all that I still worry about missing that one time and it going real bad.
Excellent food for thought 💪🏻
This is my worse fear. I live in apartments. I try to go over it in my head repeatedly. I'm on second floor and thinking if I roll out of bed (if at night and I'm in bed), I can shoot upwards. But, what if I'm walking around my place and they randomly kick in the door and there he is. It stresses me out. I use Hornady Critical Duty ammo. I'm in Texas.
so the burden is for everyone to become a lawyer to stay out of jail
while the criminals
just.
dont.
care....
Thanks guys I always learn something from you. Respectfully , Michael Weeks, San Antonio, Texas.
I live in my class A motorhome would the same laws protect me as well
I assume you could be sued for it
You'd have a rough time arguing you're not culpable.
Good advice, but haven't been able to enter the contest. I guess if you are already a member you can't.
Know your target and whats beyond it
Civil liability you could be sued…. Took the course two weeks ago
So my selection of a .50Cal Barrett rifle may need reevaluated 🤔🤔
I know windows are a thing, but living in a brick home with all.the houses around me being brick, helps with this scenario.
Helps is the key word. I saw a comment recently where a woman got mad at her husband . She shot a 44 magnum thru the sheetrock wall, it passed thru the brick veneer of their house. The police were called to their neighbor's out their backyard. He was mowing his grass when all of a sudden his push mower stopped dead cold. He saw a hole in its engine and most of the oil pouring out of it. The bullet had passed right between his legs!
I've 40 years construction experience. Some homes are built of solid brick but most are of the type that have 8 little holes in them and are called architectural bricks. I doubt they'd completely stop a 22 LR round.
Edited: PS - I'll try it on the architectural type because I'm curious of that now. I know that I've shot a lot of what are called steel pins aka nails thru wood into concrete and steel with 22 caliber power actuated nail guns! FYI: The concrete took higher powered loads to fasten wood to it than did the steel!
@@captainjack8823 I gots solid bricks though and my bedside gun is in 9mm.
Umm yes u are responsible - & that’s why u need to practice using ur fire arm , don’t just buy it & store it & also use defensive amo ...it usually doesn’t penetrate too much like a full metal jacket would ....full metal jackets are the most dangerous amo u can have in ur gun for home defense or self defense ....
I believe it should fall on the criminal. The defender may not have time or money to get training, may have had just bought the gun and have no experience, or depending how stressful that situation was that will effect how the shooting roles.
But that defender would never have had fired if that criminal didn’t break in. And to expect 100% accuracy while being under a intense situation it’s going to be likely a round will miss or maybe even hit something like there arm or shoulder and go right through.
If you have time or money to buy a firearm, you need to make time and money to get training.
In TX we now have unlicensed carry, which is a good thing, but that should not leave room for people to assume they do not need the training. Lack of training means lack of knowledge. Lack of knowledge can have unintended bad consequences.
Yes. YOU are supposed to be effective yet responsible. If you can't account for each round you fire then you're reckless.
Would like to hear a point of view on suppressor use in home defense.
Not an attorney, but my .02 as a suppressor owner who did research. Suppressors are LEGAL in most states that allow its citizens to legally own any other firearm. Per the law in my state (FL) you are allowed to have a suppressor on your firearm for home defense. The fact that you used a suppressor would only be critical if you owned it illegally, and were not authorized by ATF to posses one. You can find more details at silencercentral.com
I can’t never doing that big mistake
That's like asking if your liable when your dog runs away and bites someone.
Judge Judy says you are.
@@tumbleweed57 The law says that you are.
@@kennethbaker5223 Total agreement.
are you at fault? absolutely!!
Also, be sure to use personal protection rounds, not range rounds. PPR break up on impact as designed for ultimate goal. FMJ, or range rounds can easily penitraite walls or other obstructions you can't see thru. Practice and knowledge make perfect, proper training is key.
That's why you live in the countryside. Robberies are already less likely already, there's no neighbors, you can pretty much avoid the law altogether as no one else will know it happened
Just by the title of this video . YES if your in Massachusetts
How do we that are already members sign up for the gun giveaway?
I live in California, that's what I fear the most. Not the bad guy.
Don't miss.
I also Live in California. I had a Deputy tell me, would you want your case to be heard by twelve jurors that voted for our Governor (Newsome). Sent chills down my spine!
"Here Lies Lester Moore, Took 4 slugs from a .44. No Less, No more".... Nuff said!
Can you talk about tactical knives to stop threats? I have a 10.5 inch s&w knife that I use for camping and such. But I would like to know about if I had to use it for defense.
According to USCCA, any legally obtained weapon used in a self defense incident would be covered by their protection.
“Duty to retreat “ continues the situation in the criminals advantage.
I would never want a stray bullet from my gun shooting a bad guy to hit an innocent person. But if an activist prosecutor and judge that are anti 2A’ers and anti constitutional right to bear arms and defend yourself and your family want to put me in prison for unfortunately having to neutralize a violent threat in my home, then prison I will sit. At least my family are still alive and safe. Good info in this video.
Always make sure of your lane of fire. Make you have a clear shot. If not retreat, seek cover, get a better shot.
0:08 Answering before watching the video. As I understand it, if I pull the trigger, in responsible for whatever comes out, where it goes, and who it hits. It's if me to make sure where I aim.
After watching all the videos, i am more confused than ever!!!
Hollow points help too!
A very good attorney would argue that the home invader is responsible for all that occurs during his home invasion. While in the commission of a felony,the home invader is responsible for any and all persons harmed or injured in the neighboring house.
Example
The DWI driver fleeing from law enforcement and a innocent driver gets injured or killed during the chase.The innocent driver was killed by in the a pit maneuver used by the officer in pursuit. The officer wouldn’t be charged due to the fact that the fleeing DWI driver was the in commission of a felony that caused the death of the driver.
Your defending your house and life the least your neighbors can do is get out of the way
You are responsible for every single bullet that leaves the muzzle of your gun....
know your surroundings....know your backdrop......be safe!!
Yes, you are liable for the damages to the neighbors house at the very least.
The attacker is ultimately but they are unlikely to be covered by insurance, so they will come after you.
AS one of the commenters I also live in an RV. Locks on these things are not up to snuff as a house. but to break in would be intent. Time to react is without a doubt very very short. I carry my pistol to the bathroom so Im vigilant. A bullet of any type will travel through several RVs but within the confines of an RV 10 feet or much less, if you are ready the shot will be on target. Please go to the range and practice.
I think this is pretty much a no brainer.
Its called "collateral damage"
I live in a cookie cutter neighborhood. This situation is exactly why a shotgun is my home defense choice. Of course, what load I use is also a consideration.
Whether I get charged or not I don't want to shoot my neighbor.
PCC with hollow points. Buckshot can penetrate as much as a 9mm FMJ.
@@deebee4575 any round has a chance of over-penetration, not to mention counting a missed shot. There is no round or type that can be suggested to circumvent this.
The only thing that can be said is that certain rounds or types have LESS chance of this happening.
@@lovescarguitar Wow no kidding huh?
@@deebee4575 nope! 👍
There is reduced recoil 00 Buckshot or #4 Buckshot.
What if you dont miss but the round goes through the bad guy and still hits the neighbors house or worse the neighbor......?
Regardless of the law, shooting an innocent is wrong, period, hard stop.
Should always be on the criminal. Foolish state laws.
Yeah. Problem solved.
I would say in my mind ur legally responsible for any bullet you fire but it would fall on intruders restitution bet $!
Will shotgun slugs go in brick wall and out?
You are better off dead than having to deal with the law after defending your self. It’s Like telling the bad guy “wait go two feet left because my neighbors window is there don’t wanna miss” and then end up in prison for protecting your family.
Knowing where your safe fields of fire are, and with which weapon they are safe, is just basic firearm safety in my opinion. Know what it takes to safely stop each of the rounds you might need to fire and put that knowledge to work for you in your drills. Take that hallway scenario where your newborn's room is behind the wall that would be the backstop for your "last stand". Yes, most pistol and rifle rounds will tear through that sheetrock like butter, #8 birdshot, not so much, and any bad guy coming up those steps is gonna have a really bad day with a face full. Even better, sounds like a great place to store all your AR500 steel targets.
You'll likely never eliminate all possibility of a missed shot doing terrible things, but you can and should do everything in your power to minimize the odds of it happening. In my house I know, with complete familiarity, which are "no shoot" directions and which are "probably safe" directions. That wall down there, there's a house the other side of it with bedroom windows right at that level. Not safe to shoot in that direction with anything that will penetrate that wall. This wall and line of windows here? The other side is an elevated dirt embankment and landscaped railroad tie flower beds. Probably safe to fire that way with anything I own. My front door? Opens to my front yard which is elevated 15 feet above a quiet street, with another dirt bank on the other side.
I also know what the .380 I keep in my sweats will penetrate. The bookcases in my living room almost guarantee it won't pass through and then go through my exterior wall and a neighbor's exterior wall. Same for my shotgun with #4 buck; won't penetrate one of my exterior walls and a neighbor's exterior wall in most cases. (houses in my area are about 25yds apart), neither will the aforementioned #8 birdshot. Will they stop a bad guy in my house? Almost certainly, and with minimal risk to my neighbors. Certainly far less risk than if I didn't put any thought into this and just started blasting with a .50AE in any direction. Minimize the risk. Know your environment and what your weapons can do and what they can't do. Use that knowledge to your benefit.
Yes you would be more at a 2-10 year sentencing
Hollow points >
That's why I only use APIT 20mm
Had a client... negligent discharge with an AK-47. Two rounds. One round went went in the back of his girlfriend’s knee and both rounds went through the wall and ended up in the bedroom of two neighbor boys ages five and seven.
Neither round hit the kids... but the client ended up doing five years for reckless aggravated assault for his girl friend’s knee.
He was looking at 30 years and lost his military career. He was lucky to get the five. His girlfriend testified against him.
I live in an adult (55+) trailer park. That’s why my home defense weapon is a 590A1 12ga shotgun w/ 8 birdshot in the tube and #9 on the side plus 2 00 buck and 2 slugs. When I walk out of the bedroom, will have 9 ready ( birdshot) devastating at close range, virtually no over penetration. The other 4 in case of the need to ramp up my game. Doubt that will be necessary, but am a Boy Scout at heart.
The shortest legal barrel length with a shotgun without requiring a NFA tax stamp and registration is 18". The total length of an 18" barrel shotguns is about 40". That's a cumbersome choice for close quarters self-defense. A duty size or compact size semiautomatic pistol with a weapon light using quality hollow point ammo is a more practical choice.
@@Enjoyer.762 clearly, you have not done any shotgun training, let me educate you on a technique that greatly reduces the length of the shotgun. Only the untrained hold a shotgun in close quarters the way you describe. ruclips.net/video/ILCD4bWCvnc/видео.html Start at 7:00. ( The whole video is worth watching) A handgun still needs to be stuck out there unless you’re shooting from the hip and not aiming; if that’s your technique, for your own benefit don’t tell the police or DA that after your hollow point kills your next door neighbor’s child, who was sleeping in her bed. There are many good gun techniques on RUclips that you can practice, if you are inclined to get real training.
@@Enjoyer.762 I do agree about the light. That’s why I have a light mounted on the opposing side of the barrel that I can turn on with my thumb tip against the push button on the back of flashlight. (I don’t like the remote switches, just one more thing that can go wrong.) Some people like a handheld flashlight because you don’t have to point a loaded weapon at what you’re trying to light up. Your choice.
@@Wild_Bill57 Why would my hollow point kill the neighbor next door if I don't miss the threat? You realize you never take a shot you cannot make.
Quality hollow points shot from pistols typically do not over-penetrate out of the human body. Why do you think police use them? You can determine over penetration risks with specific loads by looking up calibrated ballistic gel test videos.
Secondly how can you assume what my training background is?
A pistol is quicker to access, to bear, and manipulate under stress than shotgun. It also can be manipulated one handed and used both dominant and weak side if you properly train. Unfortunately, in a gun fight, sometimes the good guy gets shot / wounded too. Good luck staying the fight with your 40" overall length shotgun. Good luck trying to shoot your shotgun one hand from an unconventional position.
In your situation the poor quality doors and locks in your trailer park home, a group of armed intruders will be on you before you even can access your shotgun and establish a defensive ambush position. You really need to rethink your plan. It's highly flawed.
@@Enjoyer.762 wow, under the stress of an encounter, you think you’d never miss? Trained LEO’s, FBI Officers, and MOH recipients miss. You must be the gun version of Hawkeye.. or you’re delusional. Bet you didn’t watch the video even though I gave you the link, haven’t been through any training and never change your opinion.
I can train a 12 YO girl in under an hour to hit a man size target with an AR in a doorway easily, with a red dot and mounted white light. The light identifies the target and creates photonic blindness. The dot makes precise shots very easy. An AR in 5.65 or 300 BO means nearly no recoil and easy follow up shots, if needed. The 5.56 has among the least probability of over-penetration. Less than buckshot, less than .45acp or even 9mm from a handgun. Bird shot you say? If you are very close to the intruder perhaps. At even moderate distance, it won't penetrate to vitals. Shotguns have more recoil, are slower for follow up shots and have less ammo on board to deal with multiple threats.
If the police are held at fault then yes if they are not then no
" When trying to defend yourself from the home invader, if that did strike someone and murder them", wait, are you a lawyer and you don't know the definition of Murder? Sad you all didn't correct this and edit it out.
At fault is not the same as liable.
Since when?
@@kennethbaker5223 Since forever. Just because you can be sued or prosecuted does not mean your guilty. Even if convicted you may not have been guilty. Our prisons are a terrific example of that.
You can avoid this topic ( Problem), If you use another type of wepon other than a Firearm.
Us here in California are screwed against criminals they have all the rights in the world
Be careful in choosing your home defense weapon and try to stay away from the hand canons they are sure to over penetrate now they are fun to shoot at the range but can become a huge liability for you too as a home defense weapon not to mention you shoot a 44 magnum .50ae or 500 magnum inside your home I think everyone would have ruptured eardrums to say the least
Well since police spray with impunity with no regard of collateral and no repercussions the same should apply for citizens.
I always worry about this topic. Maybe shoot at a downward angle in a self defense situation. This way if you miss the bullet hits the ground.
Do they still make Glaser safety slugs??
Admitedly I think we can plan for this, by buying the right bullets. I don't think this is unreasonable.
A duty to retreat in my own home? Wtf? Yeah right
Ahh the good Ole duty to retreat law. 🏃♂️ away so the criminal can do what he came there to do without resistance 🤦♂️
Newbie question. Wouldn't a bean bag round, then a bird shot round, and finally a slug work? I remember reading this somewhere for home defense with a shotgun.
The detective who fired into Breonna Taylor’s apartment sent rounds into the adjacent apartment. He was charged with reckless endangerment, even though nobody was hit in that apartment. I live in a condo community, but there are concrete walls. The one exception is the front wall, and that’s the direction I’m mostly likely going to need to shoot(!!!).
Shooting multiple rounds into the adjacent apartment was clear evidence that he was firing with no concern of where the rounds would impact.
"Your bullets went into the neighbor's house"....full stop. Yes, you are at fault. The end.
Anti 2A people will say it was your fault. Truth is it’s the criminals fault.