What weapons and calibers are best for home defense?
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- Опубликовано: 29 апр 2023
- I've been wanting to do this one for a while. I've heard lots of fudd lore about certain calibers not penetrating drywall and I really wanted to see how calibers actually performed. In today's video we put all the weapons and myths to the ultimate test.
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It would be interesting to see this same test with ballistic dummies in front of the drywall or behind it to see how the penetration is altered after impact on tissue.
This!!!
Interesting idea! I’d like to see that.
Better than cardboard, just more costly
I was honestly expecting to see this given the effort they put into building all those false walls.
To go even further with this, in an actual scenario, there is also the potential for fiberglass insulation being present inside the walls for various reasons, which - due to its inherently inconsistent density - adds an additional factor to the physics of ballistic behavior. Granted, this mainly applies to commercial/educational environments and not residential due to the insulation serving as a passive soundproofing measure more than anything else, but statistically speaking, it's a far more common scenario one would encounter.
Citation: I'm a construction worker and I often wonder about this very concept on the job.
Edit: regarding commercial/educational environments specifically, the studs used in the walls are made of sheet metal and not wood.
In these cases, the studs will not, in fact, stop movement of a projectile in the same way wood does.
Paul Harrell has an entire video where he did something like that, albeit with his “Meat Target” to simulate a person.
This is why the mounted cannon at the top of the stairs makes so much sense
your shooting on a downward angle into an area of limited movement
simply tactical genius
Mounted machine gun with a cannon attachment. Double tap go brrrr
loaded with grape shot
I just keep my tank in the backyard with the barrel in the living room. The muzzle break covers kitchen and floor, which is very convenient.
Just as the founding fathers intended.
yeah like a bofors 40mm
When we played around with this we were using our carry ammo in our duty weapons. We learned there was a big difference between interior and exterior walls (and how many walls) due to the insulation and siding. Many rounds made it outside but were deflected and key-holing. Really what we learned was don't miss the intended target so you don't kill the neighbor's dog.
Unless you're ATF, in which case that was the intent.
@@rsh4599 Worst advise ever. The whole over penetration argument was created by ammo companies to sell ammo to dipshits. The only reason you are concerned about over penetration is because you intend to violate multiple firearm safety rules and placate these concerns by compromising terminal effect, ironically in the name of safety. If you abide by firearm safety rules; know your target and beyond, never point a weapon at something you do not intend to destroy, then any reasonable level of penetration is acceptable in a defensive firearm, which is good because any projectile with enough ass to adequately penetrate is going to go through quite a few interior walls. As we have seen in this video, drywall sucks at stopping bullets. If the ability to be stopped by drywall is your primary concern when selecting a self defense round, you're wrong. Quite simply, if you can't use ammunition that adequately penetrates, you don't need a firearm, you need pepper spray and a rape whistle. There is no level of penetration that is acceptable to be shooting towards occupied domiciles and innocent third parties.
@@rsh4599 I don’t get why people act like Birdshot would do nothing.
@@Bestgameplayer10 Because a crackhead or someone out of their minds on meth don't actually give a shit about being hit with birdshot.
The primary difference would be exterior walls have OSB sheathing with possibly quite sturdy siding (other than something like vinyl).
I know this is mostly internal walls, but, it would be interesting to see how they handle exterior walls with insulation and maybe an external stucco wall.
Drive by scenario
@goud2488 that or, shooting at someone inside and penetrating through the exterior wall.
Actually I was thinking the same thing here. When someone is breaking into the house. Yes we do have internal walls. But eventually it’s going to hit a external wall with insulation, some kind of siding on the outside!
I was hoping to see the debate with a ar15 be debunked with internal walls only. However this test was inefficient with home protection!
Interior walls, internal walls are in the chest cavity
@@thomastaylor5239 huh?
Here in Germany our walls are made of concrete and the easyest weapon to get is a flintlock, so would be interesting to see how that goes.
Dig my sig p6 German
well your concrete walls dont protect you from being rap.ed by arabs and africans.
Dont worry Nato will protect you
@@bendover6987 I think France and Germany should unify
@@dingus6317 they did that for a while, didn't go so well
As someone who plans to live in an underground bunker with 12 foot thick steel outer walls and 6 foot thick inner concrete walls, this is extremely helpful. Thank you Garand Thumb!
Lmfao
A garden hose defeats your bunker ha
Gonna fart in your ventilation system
Lets test Artillery rounds and Bunker busters just to be safe! You never know when the neighbor next door is sporting a m777 in their backyard!
12 foot thick steel? Good luck with that
Recently bought a 20 gauge short form shotgun form our local gun shop. His recommended ammo to our surprise for home defense was birdshot . His reasoning was that you will be in close quarters, probably a few yards away and that you don't want projectiles going through walls and injuring unintended targets.
that’s a good point, some people like putting birdshot and buckshot in the tube in a specific order
Birdshot, buckshot, birdshot, buckshot, slugs for the last few, how ever many your shotgun can carry. Just know you target and what's behind it always.
20Ga Birdshot will not kill a man.
@@Lefty217 you're right, getting shot with birdshot within 10 yards is a fate worse than death.
@@Lefty217 would you wanna test that theory out by standing in front of a 20ga loaded with bird shot? Cus I sure as hell wouldn't 😆
Great test guys. My takeaway was that no rounds (including the 22) are really home defense safe if you don't have good discipline, muzzle and trigger control. Honestly, even the idea that you might hit the intruder and still be at great risk for tagging something or someone you don't want to was re-enforced by this video. As a responsible gun owner, I will keep training and keep learning so that if god forbid I'm faced with a decision - I make the right one to cause the least casualty possible.
Exactly. No round is "danger" proof. The best course of action is to know your house inside and out blindfolded (wall/door thickness and general layout, where your family is) so you can rely on recall in moments of high stress and the disorientation of being woken up in the middle of the night. Practice so you can act on instinct and have a gameplan. Or at least try. You don't know how things will go when stress kicks in but I think that's your biggest hurdle to overcome if your goal is to neutralize a threat within your home in the safest way possible
Maybe speak to your family about in case of intruder, go to X place that way everyone is at the back of the house and the intruder is always in front of you. Of course not every situation is ideal but it helps if everyone has a plan before hand and knows where to be so in case ammo starts flying nobody is at risk of injury other than the intruder.
Paul Harrell did a great test and landed on #4 buck shot as being both exceedingly effective on soft targets and very low in wall penetration.
Shut up boomer 😂
Paul has a great method of showing real world effects with nothing but flannel, oranges and pork ribs 😆
That's good because #4 is the minimum recommended for achieving enough penetration in badguys for effectiveness. Personally I like #1. 00 Buck is, imo, suitable for military and outdoor activities but not so much for home defense.
@@offcourseoverland Man, I would love to go to a Paul Harrel cookout. Tangy orange barbeque pork ribs (don't mind the bits of lead in them.)
@@offcourseoverland those materials are actually superior to ballistics gel if you really want to see what would happen.
FBI did a similar test years ago; they found .223 along with #4 Buckshot being the best rounds for lethality with limited over-penetration. The worst rounds were shotgun slugs, 00 Buckshot, and quite a few handgun rounds. This is a big reason to actually make a defensive plan with regard to your home defense, to include knowing where your family is, and what avenues you can safely shoot in. As a LEO we also have done a few independent tests with different ammunition and it can be somewhat surprising just how far things can go and just what some items can stop; I still recall just how well some soda/water vending machines are at providing excellent cover.
Bookshelves are excellent cover too.
Has Papa Thumb done a cover and concealment video? I’d love to see training for urban cover and how different objects and surfaces do
What a piece of sh** country to live in when you have to think things like that.
I highly doubt .223 would be considered a good round to not over penetrate through a standing drywall wall. I personally shot junk cars from 100 yards with 55gr .223 they go through the car. Meaning I shot pass door and comes out drivers door from a 100 yards. Keep in mind it also went through the interior door panels. Sheet rock is nothing for a round that goes over 3000 fps ....
LEO lol😂
Use fragmentation/frangable rounds, it won't be stopped but definitely lessons the odds of penetration as well as scales up your lethality
Frangible rounds are less lethal, not moreso.
It would be cool to see different 556/223 round out of some different lengths of ars specificly for home defense
When I did construction, one of the jobs I did was installing bulletproof “plywood”. There are 8 or 9 levels, and we were installing level 1, which is rated to stop 9mm from what we were told. I’d like to see Garand Thumb get a hold on the different levels and test them. It won’t be cheap, unfortunately.
Bulletproof plywood? Any idea what it’s called?
@@Finman78He is making up words. You can however buy 4x8 1/2 thick sheets of fiberglass which will stop pistol calibers.
Just line your walls with bookshelves
@@Finman78 probably bullet proof wood
@@Finman78 there's several different products... plywood (beech), plywood (birch) with kevlar or carbon fiber, fiberglass and some other crap.. google would be your friend on this one because there's several different types made in different places so availability is limited on some.
Private contractor here.
Almost every renovation I've done has involved installing new drywall and I'm always thinking of how fragile American homes are, I appreciate this.
That's easy to fix though, just more expensive. I want to use 2x6 for my exterior and interior walls, and you can make the insides stronger with various materials just more expensive than the average person that doesn't have the fear of shooting through an apartment. Can't say houses because you have plywood, Siding, etc.
@The Ole Otter Now I'm interested what the results would be with insulation, Plywood, and various exterior siding. To add to what you said, last year an entire lot of houses had the sidding ripped off from WA wind, New homes and materials used are inferior.
US stick framing is as strong as it needs to be, and dry wall doesn't actually get damaged that often and is very easy to repair.
@Kelly Moses Nowadays, it's all about how cheap, easy, and inexpensive. We can build these houses while making them as strong as they NEED to be.
@@inskinov412 I hate how cheaply it all feels now. we only value ourselves on how much we produce and consume, its depressing having such an issue be reflected in everything, even my walls.
Would love to see different filler to simulate furnished rooms. Adding bookshelves etc. in strategic places could possibly come in handy in a situation when you actually have to defend yourself at home
Good point
That's actually a really good point. Plan on adding dampening effects in critical areas.
Paul Harrell did a video using cars as cover and nowhere was safe. Even the engine block didn't stop most rounds, though it had the most success. I doubt furniture is going to do much.
Tactical bookshelves 😂
That buckshot drywall test is exactly why when i lived in a small studio apartment with neighbors on basically everyside my shotgun had birdshot in it. As soon as i moved into a house i put buck shot in it dont get me wrong but it was a serious consideration i had to think about.
fun fact: all internal walls in Brazil are solid brick walls with a layer of concrete on both sides to smooth it out, so you can use even 7.62x51 for home defense, too bad you will go bankrupt just by firing a few rounds beucase they cost 5~6 USD per shot around here.
You would also have to live in Brazil...
CBC Ammo is such good Brazilian made stuff too. Is it all taxes?
Ive seen some homes have exposed bricks,which showed there being concrete inside the bricks too.
So,depending on the house,you might as well say ".50 BMG no balls" lmao
So every house is effectively a pill box. Neat.
How are Brazilian gun laws btw ??
Would love to see this with insulation, vinyl siding. And brick walls. A "neighbors safety test"
With the distance between the average suburban home inbetween.
Its complicated man. The only way to get a real test os to test in a real neighborhood because in my neighborhood there isnt hoa making evrtyone build the same so spots are all build different and soke dont look like the others and are built with different materials. This is a wall and we have to remember there is things lock block wall, wood fenses, plastic fenses. Some people frame with wood some framed aluminum. I think this video is more applkcable to a situation like an apartment complex where if an m1 garand goes off in a bedroom it might go through 5 bedrooms 😂 or out the back across into the back of another apartment complex.
If its ww3 thats what you want to win we need guns that can shoot through walls. Sometimes you need a gun that will shoot through 4 people sometimes you dont want to penetrate fully through one person.
Paul herrel(?) I can't remember how to spell his last name did this test and he had a exterior wall in his test if I remember correctly
How about some form of Kevlar barrier layer added to an existing drywall?
Yeah I was thinking the same thing too. There are a lot of materials that go into houses, it would be interesting to see how they all interact with each other
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Thanks for the info, will for sure use this info in my home in the Netherlands!
So glad you mentioned the M&P I have to stick up for it all the time with my friends
Everyone knew 2 things going in: the drywall would fail miserably, and the conversation would be hilarious
Ok so 9mm HP went right through.... Ok next up .308...
This is a very helpful test here. If I can pass along a piece of advice I got from my local Sheriffs department training center (Yes, My county runs a training center for Civilians). They said that if your going to use a firearm inside your house, to go through that house and Identify any wall that could lead to a family members room, and on that wall hang pictures of your family (Or people) and on the wall that do not, hang pictures of scenery or flowers and such.
This way in the middle of the night when (God forbid) you have to shoot at an intruder you can quickly know if that is a safe or not safe wall.
That’s not a bad idea but you can also just use hollow tips and not worry about penetrating walls
Sounds it's better to hang family pictures on walls that lead to family and nothing on walls that don't. Minimizes the amount of recognition/identification you need to do. Just turns into pictures=don't shoot and no pictures=shoot
@@PrinceOfTheCity1 Did you Watch the video??
@@eddietonore2813 Obviously not
@@PrinceOfTheCity1”hollow tips”
German Brickwall: *shoots back*
You should take into account sheeting and siding as far as the bullet actually exiting your home, typical wall is drywall, insulation, half inch cdx+paper+siding of choice, I’d be curious to see Hardy lap siding and how well it would stop some calibers! Killer video!
I personally keep a m203 with HE rounds and a flamethrower for home defense. But only if the roomba claymore doesn’t get them first.
This comment had me dying 😂😂 the freaking Roomba claymore lmao
@@bmr7776is he serious bro? Isn't that overkill
Claymores are a part of any reasonable home defense plan.
@danLT if it was good enough to keep Charlie out it's good enough for me
Angles are important inside structures. If you’ve ever walked through a house under construction before drywall goes in, you know that most sight lines from room to room are obstructed by studs. I’d like to see this test repeated in an actual house or with the walls mocked up like actual walls (instead of all in a straight line). I think the chances of your bullets hitting studs are a lot better than this test suggests.
I install showers in track built neighborhoods and I can confirm that a framed house with no drywall is a lot more opaque than people assume.
Very true
It would be really hard to set up a perfectly realistic scenario.
FPS Russia :P
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every time i stand in a hallway the view is obstructed by a stud
Great test for straight dry wall I'd be interested to see what happens when you add insulation, wires, pipes ect. I'd imagine that would change the outcome for some of those rounds
Good idea
Awesome video man. I would like to see what these firearms would do if you sat up one of those ballistics torso about 2 or 3 yds from the front wall, and firing from 5 to 7 yrds from the torso. Thanks for all that you guys do.
Years ago, I worked on a test for an LE agency trying to determine what platform/round would be best for use in a historic courthouse. EVERY 9MM and 5.56 round tested did what you saw. Even frangibles like the Glaser Safety Slug (remember them?) penetrated several walls. Looks like nothing much has changed. Unfortunately, we couldn't play with things like the Garand, Magnum rifles and of course the .300 Blackout wasn't even a dream in AAC's eye, so those were interesting to see. Very fun to watch and very good demonstration - you guys rock with some great and creative content!
I picked up a mobile home, and wanted to shoot the 50 through it long ways. But no way to contain for every ricochet possibility.
@@robertsmith2956 attempted joke alert "I picked up a mobile home" Damn! You're strong! You don't need a gun to defend yourself. BTW shooting through a mobile home is very dangerous, there is a very good chance you'll hit a meth lab Boom!
Back in the day I did a similar demonstration to finally get admin to authorize patrol rifles to supplement shotguns. The over penetration concern of rifles died off when the 40 pistols performed even better in going through all walls.
I’d love to see this again with a gel torso to simulate over penetration if you do hit your target
Was gonna comment this but then saw your comment. Bump this comment up and let’s see them re-run the test!
@@stevexracer4309 true. Anything that can go through a bad guy will most certainly go through the wall after. But it would be interesting to see how much energy and damage the bullet is capable of after the fact.
As a skinwa-
I mean Amazon Associate, I'm feeling a little called out.
But seriously, I knew most would definitely go through at least one wall (2 layers) and many would likely pass 2 walls. But I had genuinely bought into the myth that most (not like, 308 and up) wouldn't go though more than 2 walls. Fascinating stuff, keep the science coming, because I'd love to know what many other comments are asking for with variables like types of rounds, soft tissue, insulation, range, etc.
Oh and Dragon's Breath rounds? For science? Or home defense from spiders?
Not unless you wanna burn your house down to show your invader it ain't worth it lol
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I was waiting for a 9mm PCC test with an 8" barrel and some FMJs that tend to open up easily or fall apart. That would be really interesting to see because many use this combo, and in theory, it could be stopped after the first wall
I ran into these dudes in the woods doing this years ago. They had built a whole bunch of walls and lined them all up. Then had purchased all these different brands and weights of 9 mill and were looking for which one penetrated the least. I want to say it was Gold Dot.
Paul Harrel did a test like this and he got really good results with a shotgun loaded with #4 buckshot. If I recall correctly it would just barely penetrate one wall but not go through two walls. Seems like a very good self defense choice. #4 buck has like 27 pellets that are each about the size of a .22 round.
I have 12 gauge shells loaded with 20k steel pellets. Will not penetrate, but if fool is wearing a face shield it will become opaque instantly blinding them.
Know your enemies tactics, and use them against them.
He did birdshot too, to good effect. Inside the home, 12ga with either #4 buck or even #4 birdshot is simply terrifying under 30ft. But will still slow down by the time you hit the walls.
#4 buckshot is to be avoided. It was popular in LE for a very short time but it has issues stopping reliably. While it penetrates well in gel and will be a lethal hit, the issue is that bone like the ribcage tends to deflect the pellets so you don't get as fast of a stop as a handgun would provide. I would stick to an AR in 5.56 with a ballistic tip like vmax instead, or regular 00 if one only has a shotgun.
ruclips.net/video/Qw8IiRgSMFQ/видео.html Paul Harrell's test from 3 years ago.
@Dave Smith if the ribs stop a few, the other twenty something should still get'm 👍
Thank you for doing this, this is a question I have discussed with buddies a few times!
Please keep the conversation and information coming
The exterior walls of modern homes will have some sort of 1/2" or 5/8" plywood/OSB then 1/2" siding and/or brick or vinyl. Barrier walls between apartments is generally 2 layers of 5/8" sheetrock on each side. I would be interested in how those configs stand up to your tests.
Not necessarily true for connected units like townhomes or condos though.
trash construction..... wont even stop your bed "squeeks"
@@goudawgs partition walls usually require fire rated drywall on walls and fire rated plywood on roof above walls. Dont know how much of a difference itll make but FR drywall is some hard shit...like aarons weiner
@@TheAhirishman FR drywall is just 1/8" thicker drywall. You should generally insulate the walls and have a minimum 1" air gap. FR drywall is not that hard. I have built a few duplexes, and condos. I wouldn't bet my life on the firewall.
Also what about insulation? I feel like that would slow down hollow points
These two are my favorite duo, absolutely hands down. I love the constant sarcasm and jokes while watching these kinds of videos.
Great content, guys. Please keep it up.
"This is the AWP from counter strike!" In another life we would be soulmates!
Great test. Makes you think about where it’s safe to shoot in the home as not to hit family in other rooms.
Ballistic dummies behind drywall would be interesting to visualize collateral damage.
Sir your videos are very informative and hilarious. But seriously I was hesitant on purchasing a fire arm but you have motivated me to
Would love to see the same test done for shotguns exclusively. Testing different pellet sizes from birdshot to 00Buck like we saw here.
Many people say #4 loads are the "magic" load that is lethal but low wall penetration
#4 buckshot FTW
4Buck is excellent for HD, but it's still gonna go through all that drywall.
The "magic" load is don't miss what you're shooting at. Yeah that's easier said than done and not everyone is trained to that degree, but as far as I'm concerned shooting a home intruder is better than hitting a family member or neighbor due to firing wildly into the dark.
Paul Herrel has a video doing that
# 7 lead birdshot followed by 00
Dropped & Finished
😉
I would like to see a 5.7x28 tested to see if that fast light round would stop sooner. Would also like to see a ballistics dummy added to test over penetration when you hit someone.
I want to see the 27 grain hollow point, i have that loaded in a few mags. I've seen videos of it going through bullet proof glass.
Was a little disappointed not seeing it on here.
5.7 ignores wood. It is a very fast round which was developed to pierce through body armor. The difference to the energy between rifle 5.56 and 5.7x28 is only proportional to mass, so unless you have some serious thickness of wood 5.7 will just go through. It has less stopping power, but it penetrates hard. Do not consider it to be a safe ammo to use in terms of home defense. It only stops on several layers of wood (round becomes unstable, yet still might cause a serious injury and it makes 5.7 even a less suitable ammo for home defense, since you don't know where your bullet will fly after a 2nd wall ) and it can't penetrate a brickwall
I live in a double wide. Drywall inside (painted), insulation (outlets, wires and studs), and hardy board (a cement product) as siding on the outside. I wonder if those factors would make any difference?? Great channel, keep up the good work!
Love the test, video, and channel!
Not going to look through comments to see if this question has been asked. Would like to see the effect of insulation on projectiles! But probably a moot point anyways.
I’d like to see this test done some more with subsonic, frangible rounds, etc. This video/topic is actually pretty important knowledge.
The only truly important knowledge is the Gospel bloke, that Jesus died to save sinners.
I was thinking the same thing about frangibles. I carry that in my 9mm bed side gun. the selling point for me was that it wouldn't go through 2 sheets of drywall.
I'm really curious how V-Crown JHP would hold up, since for 9 they only used MHP
Better video here: ruclips.net/video/e5KzAA7JME4/видео.html
This is why I use these frangibles for self-defense 5.56 and 9mm. Nasty wound channel, not affected by clothing like HPs, and doesn't go through drywall after exiting ballistic gel.
@@GospelFire I dunno man, I think "how to not accidentally shoot your 4-year-old" ranks pretty high.
Having done my fair share of residential construction, it was always my opinion that any concern with stray bullets in a home should be limited to risk of over penetration. If you miss, as we just saw, the bullet will likely exit the house. Or at least go from one end to the other before hitting sheathing/siding. So assessing your risk of over penetration is a better use of your time and ammo. As well as figuring out your angles of approach while clearing your house, so you know where everyone/everything you don’t want shot are. Including the bullets coming from the ”bad guy”. Bullets sailing through drywall works both ways gents.
And don't forget random change of direction as bullets pass through stuff. Illustrated in the video above.
That's a lot of thinking and training for the average gun owner, who has literally zero training of any kind.
@@dazzling3237 Yeah I'm thinking just get the job done with as much accuracy as possible and pray on the rest.
if you had experience with “residential construction” you would know these walls are only wooden frame and drywall, these walls are incomplete and it doesn’t simulate a bullet going into a house rather as a bullet being shot inside an incomplete house
@@ilykeey9827 So what else in a US house would stop the bullet?
The construction of the bullet means a lot more than the cartridge.
You should also test a variety of shotgun loads. Including #4 buck and a wide range of birdshot loads. Considering that at home defense ranges, you are most likely to be shooting under 3 yards, even target loads would be effective.
These videos are so intriguing and fun to watch.
European here. The irony is we don't have guns but we do have brick/concrete walls that can stop 5.56. Greetigs from France gents, keep up the great content!
European here. We do actually have guns, ranking by country for civilian-held firearms per 100 population Finland sits in the 10th place with 32.4 guns in a survey made in 2017.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country
I love the smell of freedom in the evening!
@MyBoys D AND you guys can easily own short barrel rifles and silencers if im not mistaken? Here in the US we can own them but have to pay a $200 tax, wait up to 18 months for approval and go on a federal registry, which I refuse to do. It boggles my mind we aren't allowed to buy silencers over the counter for hunting purposes.
@@cvdubya5774 js nfa items are down to about an 8 months wait time now. Just did the forms for a can yesterday
@@cvdubya5774 Depends on thr Country. In Germany everything is strongly regulated. Im not a hunter so it is impossible for me own a silencer. Oh and we aren't even allowed to use a flashlight on our guns, or nightvision.
You guys are dominating the creative content in the gun scene right now!
Actually Samuel hydek is. Check out his explosion
@Quit callin me Bill who?
DemoRanch already did something like this weeks ago
Yea right after Matt!
Paul Harrell did this 3 years ago as well.
This is actually extremely important info and im surprised this vid doesnt have more views. Thanks guys!
I actually found out due to my one and only ND that closet doorknobs are VERY effective at stopping Federal HSTs. Dry fire practice screwup but I hit exactly on my target and it only damaged the door knob, not even the door.
Great video. My one suggestion- you should have also tested the .22 from a rifle, which I believe would have penetrated all four walls.
22 supersonic>+p
& still make the hit on a coke can at 710 yards?
@@sonofnone116 I came here to say this but knew in my head it had already been said….
22 TCM lol
Same I just got a .22 Lr from Mossberg love it superb zero from the box
For those asking, I have tested closed cell foam insulation attached to drywall, and the cultured stone siding. They do very little against even pistol shots. Heat of rounds melts through foam like it isn’t even there.
these materials arent even designed with penetration in mind. You can slap a piece of drywall and it will snap. anyone that has worked with basic home materials should know that even a a ramset can shoot shit through a wall. Thats a .22 firing a nail
Good thing I saw this comment before making a fool of myself by asking lol
What about that duraROCK insulation. LOL
Something to consider in a defensive situation..... Don't miss! If you hit the intruder, over penetration is unlikely with most rounds; if you miss him, over penetration with anything is a certainty. I think the safest round might be a .44 cap'n'ball pistol with about a 25gr charge and a round soft lead ball (that would give about 700fps). Deadly on the target but slows down really fast if it hits a wall. The black powder smoke could be an issue though... in my garage/workshop 4 rounds from the .44 (into my bullet trap) and it's hard to breathe in there! 😀
A shotgun with bird shot would fill the bill too.... about #7 shot would do it.... very nasty indeed at close range but penetration after that is very poor...
Lol great video, keep em coming!!! @garand ballistics penetration test big game? Bones- fat -vitals? Pistol caliber and big game load vs standard ammo? I.e. double tap 255grain .45 etc vs 10mm 9mm 44 357 etc etc etc? Noticed recent ammo for .45 claiming bear / large game loads. Personally take my Saint 308 in bear country and need to throw down on a 10mm but currently .45 is the back up to my Saint. No grizzly known in Colorado, but.. technically there's nothing stopping them from wandering back into CO. As a sow was recently tracked traveling 2,800 miles in the span of a year between Idaho and Montana. Just an idea for a
Video for ya
REALLY interested in a long version of this with various common wall configs and angular testing.
Because I've definitely seen a 9mm hollow point get hung up on first layer of drywall at a low (sub 30°) angle.
answer: its drywall
Vigilance elite did some testing like this a year or more ago with stuff in front/behind and inside the wall if I recall
@@stevexracer4309 Idk if you can't read, but I literally just said I've seen drywall stop a 9mm hollow point at a low angle.
Considering I did a similar test in middle school to see how many layers of dry wall a .22 would go through (shot out a Ruger 10/22), and that little guy zipped through 7 layers. Yeah, I'm fairly confident everything is going through these dry walls.
I'd like to see a 27 grain and 40 grain 5.7
Really appreciate this test. I'm sure it was a pain building all that and then getting it sent out to the range. Really appreciate your work. Nice to know that the heavy otm 5.56 is pretty good terminally and really good against over penetration in interior walls. I personally use those in my Home Defense AR. I'm surprised 00 Buck penetrated that Many walls. I would have liked to see #4 buckshot. #4 buckshot pellets are .25 caliber while individual pellets weigh around 20 grains. So if a #4 buck pellet and a 00 Buck pellet are traveling at the same speed, the #4 buck should penetrate less, considering that 00 Buck pellets are round .35 caliber and weigh 53 grains. But #4 buck will also give you more hits on target. #4 Buck usually has around 27 pellets versus 00 that has eight or nine pellets.
Hey Mike, id say use hollow points on plaster and lath walls. The plaster is very similar to concrete and the lath behind the plaster will offer some more resistance. Older homes have these plaster walls. Id be willing to bet that if you fired a hollow point round ( or any other round that fragments easy ) at a plaster wall it would not have lethal velocity on the other side. So i think it would be beneficial to test this because not a lot of people know what their homes are made of.
I want to see .410 and 20 gauge tested like this with bird shot, buck shot and slugs. Also would love to see cinder block walls tested.
I want to see a No. 4 turkey load or a No. 2 duck load.
I'm with ya on the two gauges, but cinder blocks ... too tired of seeing other channels shoot cinder blocks. My guess: you work for a cinder-block manufacturing company.
I think people underestimate just how devastating birdshot loads can be up close. It's essentially a slug coming out of the barrel still packed inside the wad. Edit (talking about the total power of the load, not the individual energy of each pellet)
@@kingofcrunk4237 I spend a lot of time in Mexico and they build exclusively out of cinder block here. I have yet to see anyone build and shoot at a cinder block wall. I can image how it would do but is like to see it.
You forgot an Oxford comma between "buckshot" and "and slugs."
Paul Harrell found that #4 buckshot doesn’t overpenetrate the particle board outer wall in his test of overpenetration while still being sufficient for defense (it barely reaches minimum FBI penetration standards with full powered loads).
Hornady also makes a Varmint Express #4 buckshot load with the same Versatite wad. Really tight pattern at home defense and still meets the 12” minimum at 20 yards, which is more than sufficient for any sight lines in my house.
I was about to mention this. Shotguns are great for home defense
#4 buck will generally stay in your house depending on the distance, not making it through exterior walls, but it will damned sure remain lethal after passing through 2-3 interior walls. If you live alone that's fine.
I've put all sorts of ammo through drywall, including setups with ballistic gel behind them, and inside your home a light softpoint .223/5.56 is best for minimizing collateral damage. The Winchester 64gr power-points I keep loaded up in my AR have consistently fragmented on their way through a single mock interior wall. Unimpeded they easily meet FBI/IWBA standards, bu run though a wall the resulting fragments have generally penetrated less than 4" of gel. In perspective, a .177 BB traveling 590fps should only penetrate 3.7" into proper calibrated gel.
@@CzechSixTv if you have a reduced #4 buck, you wont go through that many walls, same with a reduced 223. Kinda comparing apples to oranges
@@CzechSixTv I’m skeptical of that claim given Paul Harrell tested even rounds that don’t penetrate sufficiently to FBI standards and they still went clean through his setup, including the exterior wall. Even the 5.56 rounds that fragmented here only did so after a few walls.
@@blackhawk65589 Even the reduced recoil #4 buck I've tested has penetrated 10-12" of gel after passing through a single interior wall. The 64gr Power-Points I mentioned aren't 'reduced loads'. They are full power loads that meet FBI/IWBA standards, stopping right around 14.5" under normal gel testing procedures.
Just entered the game and your definitely the #1 RUclipsr of firearms 🏆 learn so much
thx for the great vid, I'll go for VMAX
One item I would be interested in seeing you guys test are those backpacks that are supposed to have armor in them to protect against small caliber rounds. Seeing how effective or ineffective certain brands of those would be interesting.
When it comes to one brand of NIJ rated IIIA kevlar backpack panels against another… there is no difference. They stop what they are rated to stop. The NIJ govt standards
Are just that. There is testing at labs to be certified.
There are literally hundreds of those videos already
Definitely would try making a part 2 by using ballistic dummies or gel. I know the velocity would definitely be effected if it’s hitting gel first.
13:50 From my own experience *that is true* but I was shooting *hollow bricks* at the range.
The kind that is used in large apartment buildings inner walls, etc. The round does make a hole straight through - but nothing comes out of it.
Had a paper target behind it to confirm. No shrapnel, no bullets, nothing at all (yet there is a hole you can see through).
PS: Tested this on multiple bricks, using FMJ 5,56 from 16" barrel from 50yds away.
I love this follows a conversation I had on Reddit. I would be interested to see how frangible rounds would work? Same calibers if available.
Never underestimate the AWP + Deagle combo for home defence.
almost as good as the Musket + Flintlock + Cannon at the top of the stairs loaded with Grapeshot
@@SoggiestBread Tally ho!
the classic 1.6 home defense..
we’re all on eco round though. i’m not force buying an awp
**Laughs in Switzerland** We get to take home automatic Sig 550's from mandatory service and have hella thicc walls :)
truth
How much ammo do they let you have?
@@Saku19 they dont give you ammo and only one magazine. That doesnt stop you from buying more of both though :)
That's a cool jacket. Brand? Great videos
What jacket is that Mike? Love the videos btw been watching for years
It would have been interesting to see the difference between modern drywall and the stuff used in earlier homes. I know just from experience pushing picture hooks through different walls of homes made in different time periods, a lot of older homes feel like you’re trying to push through sandstone. It’s damn near impossible. Quintuple the pressure while twisting still doesn’t always do the trick.
I would like to see them test old plaster walls that had chicken wire and thing fiberglass insulation. they made those in my home state ALOT as the walls on outside were brick it let them put in wiring in the house/pipes to keep them from freezing
asbestos are good for your neighbour’s dog
It's not enough of a difference, thick,strong drywall is still drywall. Concrete, gravel, masonry, etc will stop bullets much more readily. Free standing "gabion wall" outside would stop pretty much anything.
Myth Busters did a show about this but it was to prove if the assassin shooting through the wall to take out the target was possible. They did every wall imaginable with plumbing and electrical etc. but the only thing able to stop a bullet was a big square steel electrical junction box. Everything else, even studs let the bullets right through. That show I thought was pretty eye opening. Plus it proved that it isn't just Hollywood fantasy to take someone out through a wall if you can't get a clear shot. Stay happy my friend.
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For those curious , insulation does nothing to slow rounds going through . If you have done any construction or demo work, you know how little actually goes into creating both interior and exterior wall. Wiring and pipes aside , you could kick your through an interior wall in about 30 second , and an exterior in a few minutes tops. Most rifle rounds will zip clear through the average house . You can find plenty of videos on it .
What kind if rifle rounds? Because the most common rifle caliber is 5.56, which penetrates less drywall than common pistol rounds.
@TheManOWrath I used to do construction work for a living for 40 years. I've punched thru a wall before. I knew where the studs were. It was during demo work. Drywall isn't that strong. My pellet gun shot thru 5/8" plywood too. Air and 177 cal pellet!
Yes sir I agree. And then I see these 10. 20 year old trailer parks with all the single wides lined up in rows and I'm like oh man some starts shooting it could go really bad for the neighbors. 🤔🥃🤘
@@TheManOWrath Someone didn't watch the video.
0:52 “you should work on that btw” THATS WHY IM MOVING TO YOU GUYS WHENEVER I GET THE MONEY
To the poor soul that breaks into my humble abode, hope you like the buckshot slug combo!
Please keep blessing us with this consistent and amazing content Dad! 🙏
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I feel called out. I have a .300WM as my behind the door gun. This was a great and educational vid. Keep it up with the great content.
Well when a big ass bear or a mountain lion is your biggest worry instead of people I’d want a .300wm too
Well yeah, why let the threat get within 800 yards of your home? 🤣
I used two .380 Ruger's ARX rounds at the top of my home defense mag because they were marketed as being highly effective on soft targets with reduced penetration on hard targets.
Unfortunately, I had the opportunity to test this theory, and my consideration paid off! It didn't even penetrate the first layer of drywall, which was important as it was in an apartment complex.
You what the fact it didnt penetrate it has me alittle blown away
In the tests I did, the best home defense round was 12ga #4 buck shot. It definitely puts down an intruder, and while it does go through one sheet of 3/8” drywall, it gets stopped by a second sheet as long as there’s a couple feet of airspace between the two. All exterior walls (aluminum siding, Hardy plank, brick obviously, T-111, plywood etc) remained intact. If you’re not feeling the subsonic .22LR for home defense 🤭, definitely give it a shot I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised. My pair o’ pennies, anyway.
It would be interesting to see how frangible, poly, and copper ammo does with the same test. Since it’s often marketed as home defense ammo that won’t over penetrate. 🤔
The G9 9mm that he tested is copper. Poly would probably break up on the 2nd or 3rd stud but wouldn't care about drywall. Frangible could be pretty good.
By over-penetration, they mean after it's hit somebody first...
It’s all bullsh*t, anything other then a .22 will kill your neighbor.
@@Tap02 That is a good thing if it was your neighbor breaking in.
Frangible 5.56 is probably your best bet but if it's only drywall it's hitting it'll still go through a few before stopping.
These are usually talking about over penetration -IF- you hit a soft target
Your drywall screws are remarkably straight. I do want to point out homes have other things than just air between drywall. You can be shooting through plumbing, electrical, insulation, and then whatever is finish work like tile, cabinetry, or trim.
Shooting a gas line would make things interesting....
Can you do this test again?
I would love to see this recreated, Using a ballistic dummy in front of the dry wall along with a few behind the drywall.
Perform the same tests but maybe add some fun calibers into the mix, Might be a good example to show why using crazy shotgun loads might not be the best option when we don't know what's behind our intended target.
Awesome video! We now know anyone inside your house it at risk, no matter how many rooms away... However, you said neighbor's and no house is clad in drywall on the exterior. I say next video should be testing different exterior walls on the other side of the drywall!
It has to have already been said but I would really like to see this same idea with a ballistic dummy in front as well.
(Also with a #4 buck for the shotgun guys)
#4 bird-#4 buck
I did research on this about 20 years ago, and if I remember straight, #4 buckshot passes through only 2 pieces of sheetrock (1 wall). I have always had it loaded in my home shotgun for that reason. It will devastate an intruder but very low risk of over penetration through walls.
@@Steven-gv1ke I just play it safe with #4 bird less penetration than buck but at home defense range it will shred tissue up bad
I'd love to see this done again with ballistic dummies in front of the first wall, and some glass picture frames and those Displate metal poster things hanging up to see which stuff actually matters for what calibers
It would be interesting to see the same testing done with fibre cement sheets. Many older homes in Australia are built using fibre cement sheets.
Pretty sure that's the same as what we call "dry wall" in the US. Sheet rock, dry wall, fiber cement... just different names for the same heavy, fragile, supposedly flame-resistant material we all screw into studs to become walls because it's cheaper and "safer" than wood paneling.
6:00 Ha! Micah clearly has seen Paul Harrell's approach and conclusion to the subject. Good on ya, camera man!
When I was like 12 years old, I met a guy who fought in Bosnia, I believe, and he showed me the coolest scar from a bullet on this lower thigh. It was very clearly the most perfect silhouette of a 7.62x39. Completely sideways/keyholing. That round really likes to tumble, which is why it's dogstuff at distance.
Depends on the barrel firing the round. Not saying it is the best but it can kill at distance.
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Hey kid wanna see this bullet wound from Bosnia?
Interesting video and nice to see it done. I'd just like to add that in UK/I, all external and ground-floor walls are considered load-bearing and are solid concrete. Drywall is called stud-partition over here and is used to separate rooms on upper floors. So if you intend to burgle downstairs, you'll need at least .338LM. 😊
Plus most older houses are all brick. Plus we (and rest of Europe) do have guns…and health care, and nice cars, and tea 😂
Hut defense round rofl, I like admin results lol. Thank you so much for the content GT!
The best part about stopping a home intruder with almost any of these weapons is the ringing in your ears for the next hour. After watching your .22 video, I'm sold.
300blk sub, supressor
11:54 I love the Saving Private Ryan reenactment
Now I wanna see these tests with European walls. It would be really interesting to see who has the superior walls, imperial walls vs metric walls!
Yeah that answer would be totally surprising..
Given that most European walls are alot more solid wouldn't be much of an answer. I mean most Europe builds houses our of brick, stone and concrete. USA builds out of wood.
Soviet walls =))))) Because they mostly made of reinforced concrete =)) Friend of mine made a negligent discharge in such kind of wall with a 5.45x45 (bullet without steel core - just a lead core) - and the result was a just a small dent in the wall =))
for the states, it would depend on the state and the age of the home. but euro walls will probably hold up better regardless. the most they have to worry about is rain. besides, they build strong and small, we build large and cheap.
@@Po6om_Bepmep I would gladly accept an eastern block style concrete wall as cover, but I would feel different behind a chinese made "reinforced concrete" wall.
The difference between cover and concealment highly depends on the quality of the "concrete".
Would be interested to see this test with frangible ammo.
Or #4 buckshot.
you forgot 50cal.
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2:35 "You do know the punishment for graffiti in Idaho, right?"
"Firing squad?"
"yeah."
As an Idahoan I'm happy to hear that you're filming this in Idaho 😁👍
Would be cool to see this test with insulation in between the layers of dry wall (it might not make a difference but we have pretty thick layers of insulation in the walls up here in the north)
Especially Stone wool (roxul) being pretty thick compared to fiberglass
Insulation does nothing. Paul Harrell did a demonstration video on this already. It makes sense that it does nothing since insulation’s entire purpose is to trap air as a barrier to the transfer of energy. Naturally, small pockets of air do nothing.
I mean they did build to code? Maybe there is some insulation in there?
@@xavierwilmerng6317 insulation isn't code for interior walls only exterior
It doesn't make any difference. Paul Harrell has shot bullets thrown entire roll of insulation and it did nothing to the bullet.
I wonder how older styles of walls would hold up. My house was built in 1943. The walls are made of cedar strips and horsehair plaster. I'd say a fair amount of older houses in the US are built the same way, so I think it would be a cool test.
I was thinking the same, part of my home is from the early 1900s and i cant even feel the hurricanes in that room. Made from heavy wood salvaged from a ship wreck. Popular where im from in old homes due to our proximity to the Graveyard of the Atlantic
Really curious about the difference between 69 and 75 and 77gr TMK/VMax vs 69 and 77gr SMK/OTM cause those seem to be the best terminal performers from SBRs while being relatively more fragile through building materials. Kudos for spacing the walls like rooms to allow space for yaw to occur.
Also, I'd check softer 147gr 9MM JHPs like HST, including elastomer plugged cavities like Gold Dot G2, to see how they perform since heavy and slow goes deeper in tissue but is known to be less penetrative through hard barriers due to physics'n'stuff, and the elastomer should initiate expansion in drywal to some degree.