The Mandalorian was the best SW since I saw Empire in the cinema in the summer of 1980. But Kenobi is a Lucasfilm storygroup project, the same storygroup that was barred from involvement, and any attempted interference, with the Mandalorian as part of the deal Team Faverau [which doesn't inc Filoni] agreed with Bob Iger. 100 million people signed up to D+ within 12 months, vastly exceeding D's expectation of 60-80m subs by Nov 2024, and the Mandalorian was the only original content on D+ for its first 14 months. 100m x $7pm x 12 months = $8.4 billion. Exceptional return on the the $100m invested on each season of the Mandalorian. Then there's the most merchandisable character since Vader, who Team Faverau had so much confidence in Disney didn't spend a dime on marketing D+, betting on Grogu getting them $100's of millions in free advertising. It worked. Probably one of the most financially successful shows in TV history.
@@sarl2121 I thought The Mandalorian was quite good for the most part - at least it didn't attempt to tear at the fabric of the OT canon. I just think they are trying for too much too soon, and it is starting to show. There is so much more I could say - but I still remember seeing Empire at the cinema - I was only six - and the memories of those days will be with me forever. As for what the future holds, I guess we will have to wait and see.
@@stellviahohenheim Yeah, they sure will, and I know my words, and those of many others, will fall on deaf ears at Disney. I just wish they would realize that sometimes, if you truly love an IP, you have to use it sparingly.
The Luke and Reva running several miles at night is even worse when you remember: "It's too dangerous with all the sand people, we'll have to wait til morning"
Or it would have been better if Owen said Reva was going to attack by day because night is too dangerous, then Reva tries to attack at night and gets her butt kicked by sand people. Then when Luke goes out with Uncle Owen the next day he finds Reva passed out with severe wounds in one of the buildings and because he’s such a good person he decides to treat her wounds and bring her food and water and his kindness wins her over.
For the record: - This show is a canon breaking mess and no amount of fan service will change that. - Shaky cam.... Really!? - Wanting Star Wars to be good and having standards is NOT toxic. - In a fandom this big having a few douchebags is inevitable that's not a toxic fandom however. - The worst thing about Kenobi are the Star Wars fanboys that will eat a turd sandwich if it came in a Star Wars wrapper. Enjoy your new fandom Disney. I own a Millennium Falcon the size of a coffee table. And you lost me. On a side note finally someone mentioned the TRACTOR BEAM!!!
I agree, the key issues are poor story telling, ignoring and / or changing canon, too many characters with little to no character development, lacklustre action set pieces, saber battles, obvious product placement / merchandising and a substandard plot involving a Jedi turned Inquisitor that hunts and kills Jedi to get close to Vader in order to avenge Jedi younglings.. Framing the narrative that Reva is a good person for NOT killing a 10 year old Luke when she's undoubtedly killed innocents to maintain her position as an Inquisitor falls flat, there's no inner turmoil or 'ends justify the means' story telling, we're supposed to applaud this murderer for not killing a child.
I can't tell you how many people have said "WHAT A GREAT SERIES!" to me...with a straight face. They must have watched a different show, because literally HALF of this show is some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life.
I have to comment on three things: -''This show is a canon breaking mess''. Who cares? -''Wanting Star Wars to be good and having standards''. Star Wars hasn't been good since 1997, with the Mandalorian season 1 being an exception, but people still watch it, so the current standards suffice. -''The worst thing about Kenobi are the Star Wars fanboys that will eat a turd sandwich if it came in a Star Wars wrapper.'' It's true that Star Wars fanboys will eat a turd if it came in a Star Wars wrapper, but it's not the worst thing. The worst thing is that many of the people who complain aboot Kenobi spent years, sometimes even decades, complaining aboot the prequels and sequels. Can't they just move on? Star Wars is a giant turd. The tenth time you eat a turd you shouldn't be surprised by the taste.
ive said this from the beginning... half the mfs that think kenobi was good would be fine with dogshit being shoved down their throat as long as it had a qui gon jinn cameo
I just thought of something, with all this time that Obi Wan spent with Leia, he never talked about her, or supported her in the films, it was Yoda that kept bringing her up and saying that she's as important as Luke for the future. Obi Wan: "That boy is our last hope" Yoda: "No, there is another"
@@TH3F4LC0Nx This whole show is a cluster F*** of retcon in my opinion. The prequels don't actaully create the plot hole, its stated and implied that Obi Wan should have no contact with Leia.
Leia wasn't Obi-Wan's responsibility, it was Bail Organa. He FAILED to protect Leia and then tried to guilt trip Obi-Wan into leaving Tattooine to find Leia, leaving Luke unprotected. And it's laughable that Bail Organa waited until episode 5 to mention he would go see if Luke was okay, why didn't he offer to do this when he first asked Obi-Wan to find Leia? And did he ever go to check on Luke? Probably not.
@@TH3F4LC0Nx not at all. For all he knows Leia was raised as a civilian who stands no chance against Vader. It's only the sequels that show her training in the force.
Can we talk about how the Reva-Luke sequence means that Obi Wan failed to protect luke? Luke is alive solely because of Reva's contrived change of heart, not because Kenobi intervened or bought Luke time. Regardless of Revas choice, Obi Wan was not there at the ONE moment Luke needed his protector
Yeah that’s the point. Obi Wan focused on Leia the entire time moving away from Luke where he could’ve been hurt. While Obi Wan was on an adventure fighting sith and saving a princesses Luke could have been attacked. Disney wants Reva to be redeemed and the only way to redeem a mass murdering, torturing inquisitor is to have her save the son of the chosen one that way everything is forgiven. It’s terrible in every way and I can’t get over it.
What makes so little sense to me is how Obi-Wan leaves Luke with Owen and Beru as his only protection, saying that all he needs is them after just watching them fail miserably to protect Luke. Why leave the galaxy’s last hope unprotected with two unequipped moister farmers after you were instructed to watch over the boy until the time was right. The show hurts itself, the original trilogy, and the prequels at the same time.
@@AppleSaurus01 pretty much, it’s filled to the brim with plot holes and continuity errors, but covers it all up with cameos and nostalgia which actually worked on most people.
The stakes are so high in this show, I’d rather believe nothing happened and Obi Wan just sat in a cave for two decades then this. It’s too insane for it to be ignored in a new hope.
Originally, Obi-Wan DID sit in a "cave" for 2 decades, along with occasional minor skirmishes. That was the whole point of his exile and his reactions during A New Hope.
i hate the fact that Vader and Kenobi fought in this show. i loved the idea of the duality between the duel on Mustafar and their fight on the Death Star. now its 4 fights, an utter 'side-step' story that is just way too forced in to see as 'canon'. i tried to like this show but ep3 felt like a fan-fic and it was all down hill from there.
"It’s too insane for it to be ignored in a new hope." No. It's really not lol. EP4 had its own story to tell. It didn't need to rehash and era that George left deliberately up to interpretation.
@@Frankthegb what I mean to say is that it’s easier to believe Obi Wann sat in a cave for two decades then to believe the second most wanted man going on a cross galaxy road trip with a young Leia with the empire bearing down on both of them. Infiltrating a highly defended enemy base, surviving not one but two encounters with darth Vader, only to somehow disappear again on account that the empire is incompetent and won’t make any moves to investigate or arrest Bail organa now that they know he’s in contact with Obi Wann for the next ten years. It cannot be ignored. Much like the Solo movie, it’s a story better left untold because it leaves more questions then it answers
It’s why they had Vader call him Master, so Obi Wan could thrash him, snd still keeps _that_ canon intact…from a certain point of view. So, he _was_ still the learner, yet he was also still a “learner,” in ANH, because his “master” is the Emperor. Except, Lucas didn’t have all that worked out yet. He was winging all of it. I mean they had Luke and Leia, as a possible couple, even in Empire, before he decided she was his sister. He didn’t come up with that until revised drafts for ROTJ. Sorry, I just don’t care about these minute details, trying to keep people who can’t stand retcons happy. The show was terribly directed, and had lazy writing. _That_ is why it sucks. If the story and directing had been good, I don’t care about sticking to the details of specific conversations in the first movie. Leia kissed Luke, because Lucas knew a certain number of moviegoers would be waiting for it.
That line was incredibly vague, and sparked TONS of fanfictions because for DECADES I as well as many others have theorised that they were entirely familiar with one another's new selves by then. Yet you people act as if that line (wherein "when I left you" refers to leaving him AS A PADAWAN, as opposed to "last time we saw each other") is absolute definitive proof that they haven't met since Mustafar. I always figured there'd be more after seeing ROTS. Furthermore, earlier when Vader says "I sense something; a presence I've not felt since..." Does he specify? No. Not at all. Another line that was entirely open to interpretation.
@LTNetjak When I'm writing a formal email with multiple recipients for work, I always somehow fail to bring up my personal past with the person I'm addressing. Instead, I include things that are relevant to the topic. Y'know, kind of like Leia does. She's also thrilled to learn that he's there on the Death Star with Luke. The only true inconsistency is her lack of a reaction to his death. But that was *already* poor writing even on George "god himself" Lucas' part, considering what a huge aspect of her mission Obi Wan was. But, as usual, the OT is treated as gospel and ol' George is like a messiah, so thou shalt not question him or his genius.
Obi-wan also told Luke he hasn’t gone by that name since before Luke was born. The Mask thing was a straight rip from rebels. Also so now do all the events of the OT hinge on the decision Reva made? Qui-gon never completed the training only appeared as a disembodied voice even to Yoda.
@@reek4062 inaccurate - they only care about canon when they think they have a good argument for how the new stuff fits in with the old. They suddenly don't care about it when they've clearly lost the argument.
@@reek4062 What? Most discussions and disagreements revolve on issues with canon. Sadly it is one of the easiest things to stick to yet most fail at it.
Reminds me of the Disney trilogy in which they had a perfect lead character in Finn but, for reasons, they made it about Ray. Disney just can't stop stepping on their own tails. It's truly like watching a monkey try to swallow a hand grenade. You know it's going to end poorly but you can't stop watching.
Yeah, during the movie I thought Finn would carry the whole series, but it turned out to be godawfull. I gave kenobi a chance, but unfortunatly it wasn't good...
@The Cambot that's what he means to say smh. He's saying that Finn had the potential to lead the series, which definitely would have been very unique (a Stromtrooper transforming into a galactic hero), but they turned him into a joke
what's unforgivable about the de canoning of the EU, is that Disney keeps going back to it for it's plots and characters. it is them literally having a blueprint for a good story and then drawing all over it with crayon.
Owen was the most badass character in this show to me the he doesn’t crack when he thinks she’s going to kill him in the first episode and then puts up a decent fight in the last episode
I find it hard to believe that a person could be stabbed in the chest with a light sabre and not cut in half; A light sabre will melt through a steel door, flesh isn't going to offer much more resistance than air; if there is even a slight angle to the beam, they are going to get a slot burned in them. It seems unlikely that an assailant would carefully pull it out at the same angle they inserted it.
@@CrisisComics just cause you aren't bleeding to death doesn't mean you wouldn't still die from a would like that. remember, people die from burns. well, not anakin, but you know what I mean.
Having grown up in the 70s and watching this franchise get its start in the theatres this whole thing is truly gutting. While the highs have been highs and few in number (Luke in Mandalorian), the lows have been numerous and totally cringeworthy. I haven't even watched this stuff after s1 of the Mandalorian. All I do is watch reviews..a lot of reviews because I find people who feel like me who are shocked and just wrecked at how this beloved franchise has been bastardized by a corporation that cares nothing for it.
I was right there with you, witnessing this feat in its infancy when I saw The Empire Strikes Back in cinemas in 1980. Missed out on Star Wars (now A New Hope) until its home video release. But as much as those films are a cherished piece of my childhood, a lot of the new serials (not the abysmal sequal trilogy) are amazing to me. We didn't take this so seriously back then. We were wowed by the incredible visual effects, character/set designs and music, but it never felt to me like the story took itself that seriously until Return of the Jedi. Nowadays, the newer fans are so personally invested in this, their demands are nigh impossible to meet. I don't hate the Obi Wan Kenobi show, but it certainly satisfies me as a lifelong fan to see Vader and Obi Wan clash once more. People have badmouthed this franchise in every decade, and don't come around until the next thing to hate comes along. It's never really changed, nor will it ever.
But Disney thinks you're just an "ist" and "phobe" because you're an actual fan of non-Disney Star Wars. To them, fans like you are the PROBLEM because you're old enough to remember a time before all the Woke crap!
I'm so OG that I seen the first 10 minutes of the Holiday Special before the parents shut it off in it's only broadcast. I bought books, lots of books of the EU, which kept the universe alive until the Prequels, which I thought were fine, even if Jar-Jar really should have been Darth Plageous the wise, in the same venue as Yoda's introduction in the Empire Strikes Back was a annoying little toad. I got off the Train at the end of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, as I finally had this thing called the Internet, and the last area bookstore closed within 2 months of it. I thought the series had grand stories, and good writing in general, and I with many others think the Thrawn trilogy is equal in scope to the origional trilogy. But when Disney nuked everything I had supported for decades, l knew it would take a lot to win me over to the new trilogy. And that never happened. I seen the Force Awakens in the Theatre, then walked away, and not watched not just any Star Wars content, but any Disney content period. So, Never, Disney, I will never turn to the Dark Side and support your disrespect of the Series that I and many like me kept alive for decades, as I am a fan of the Jedi, like the fans before me. You have failed, Mouse. Your faith in your marketing was your weakness, and for my faith in my fellow fans being mine, we will see, mouse, we will see.
When I heard Obi Wan was going to have his own series, I thought it would be his struggles to learn the whole force ghost thing while guarding Luke from afar, from things like the Hutts and Tuscan raiders etc. Tatooine has plenty of stuff that would present a danger to an innocent child.
Apparently the original scripts for the show were very much like what you describe, including Ray Park as Darth Maul returning to threaten Luke at one point. Then in early 2020, Kathleen Kennedy decided she didn't like these scripts and ordered the series put on hold. She thought the stories were too similar to The Mandalorian. The series was almost completely re-written to be 'bigger', with Obi-Wan going up against the Empire and Vader.
When I heard Obi-Wan would have his own series, I immediately assumed they'd use his name to introduce a younger female character who outdoes him in every area because he's a stupid, outdated, middle aged white man. I was wrong. They introduced two.
I'm absolutely sure that Reva's story and life was supposed to end in episode 5 when Vader stabbed her. Her inclusion in episode 6 is bizarre, inexplicable and superfluous. I am sure it must have been a mandate from Kennedy to keep her alive (either because it is a bad look killing off a strong black wahmen, OR because if her spinoff potential), so she was shoehorned in to an episode that was probably supposed to focus entirely on Vader and Kenobi.
Not only that but it really felt rushed. They wanted Reva to have a show so they needed her alive. So they didn’t explain how she got through death twice other than being too angry to die, they didn’t explain how she got off the planet, and they needed her to be redeemed so they made her slap the cup out of some bullies hand and save the protagonist for the 2nd trilogy. It’s insanely terrible writing just so that they can create a character for a show nobody will really watch after watching this one. Revas character was not done well.
Nice thought, but that would imply that the writers might actually be capable of telling a good story with substance and only seem incompetent due to micro managing lol Does this give me hope for a future that still has writers capable of good story telling, once they’re let of the leash?
I remember a scene in Ep3, where when Obi Wan during his General Grievous fight, fought near Grievous's ship and after being attacked by his clone troops went to the same ship, took it to leave the planet. This was 2005, I was 13 when seeing this, I understood this in a second. Really goes to show the writing in this show. Its like hydra, the more plot holes they try to cover up, the 2 to 3 that seem to take its place.
@@reek4062 There is CGI, of course, but a single prequel has more practical effects than the OT combined. There are many scenes people to this day think were completely CGI when in fact practical effects were used in combination with CGI. Star Wars has always been at the forefront using and inventing new film technologies. This is true with the prequels and its use of CGI as well
And it was incredibly easy to fix “not killing Vader” problem. Vader kinda don’t want to die (he is a Sith, after all), and is not above calling for help. We’ve seen that even best Jedi loses against too much dakka. It’s humiliating, but you can show his monstrousness by him killing his saviours after the fact. Or simply do some kind of earthquake, and “poetically” crush Vader with rocks, or make him fall into deep chasm (not that that kills force-users in SW), we’ve established that people check vitals with force never in this very episode. Also, Reeva cannot be saved by Obi Wan, because it would turn series into white saviour story (in their eyes and eyes of some critics, but not really), and today Disney cannot have it, especially so if saviour is a man.
They could have simply changed the fight. Instead of random planet. It happens on board the Star Destroyer. The Star Destroyer is fighting Alderan's defense force. The ship is being pounded. Vader and Obi Wan are fighting on the hanger deck area. This would give Obi Wan moments of him thinking about Maul fight. The ship is slowly being destroyed. Where Vader and Obi have to stop and retreat to their ships and abandon the Star destroyer. This gives motivation to why Vader blows up Alderan in ep 4. It forces them to stop fighting. Obi wants to kill Vader at all cost. But if he stays, he will die. And no one will be there for Luke. So Luke's protection forces him to give it up. This could have been a moment for Qui Gon to chime in. Right before Obi Wan can get a killing blow in. The explosion masks several escaping imperial ships. If you're going to involve Alderan, use it. If you're going to use a tracking device in Leia's toy. Keep it alive for so many episodes. Use it.
@@reek4062 it all depends on framing, really. Make the area of fight dangerous by default, world-shattering cataclysm raging during last duel of two great force-users. Make aid coming not on Vader orders but on Emperors, who sensed Vader being overwhelmed. Do anything but don’t make Kenobi just leave due to his feelings. He betrayed galaxy in that scene by not killing Vader (and not like he has no sense of duty - last time they fought for real he left Anakin to die slowly, not being able to finish him, but firmly believing that there was no way out for his former friend). He saw what Vader and his master had done to the world firsthand, he suffered from it during this very series. Any outside force would do, really. I do not pretend that my variants are best, just saying that any amount of thought given to bigger context would change this scene.
Nah, they would say that: "She saved herself", in fact, Obi arrives when she could have already kill Luke, but she did not, to avoid this very inconvenience
Disney has no creativity. So they need nostalgia to keep the franchise going But, no creative sense it makes little difference Amazing how quickly the most popular IP in history became the world’s most expensive meme generator.
"I will do what I must." *ten seconds later* I will now do mental gymnastics and go full Batman and not kill anyone, which has nothing to do with Jedi lore or teachings. Fully prepared to fight to the death.
@@oXRaptorzXo I'm sure Kenobi can just take Vader to Coruscant to be charged with crimes... Oh wait, the Empire is in control. Maybe you forgot to notice that they had no other choice left at the end of that same Ep 3.
@@oXRaptorzXo You are forgetting that 10 years have passed and he had already resolved himself that either he or Vader would die that day. He even got straight told by Vader that Vader killed Anakin and all Obi-Wan was fighting was Vader. This is not a repeat of the EP3 fight where he was going to try to save Anakin. This was a kill Vader or have the blood of countless innocents on your hands for your failure kind of fight. But since Vader kills Obi-Wan in A New Hope Obi-Wan cannot do the logical thing, or the thing he had prepared himself for. So they literally have to pass the stupid ball to Obi-Wan and have him act out of character. Which goes to show the fight should never have happened the way it did because there was no way either could be allowed to win and it would need bullshit to attempt to bridge the plot hole the fight will create. If it was a Dark Side Cave vision battle then it would not be an issue, because the fight would have no major impact on the canon. Instead they wrote themselves into a corner they cannot get out of.
@@MrAdamloring1985 I would be happy if they did that but it was exactly the same, shot for shot, line for line, just with updated visuals and sound quality
This story was rewritten 4 times. Reva was forced in by Kennedy. Many people feel she shoulda just had her own show if Kennnedy wanted her so bad. Because she has no purpose in Kenobi.
I heard someone say this would have worked spectacularly had this been a force vision but that would give Disney too much credit and originality cause it's really sad when they run out of stuff to rip off so they rip off their own stuff and make it worse on rewatch
It already was once this whole mess of Disney Star Wars started. In Force Awakens you can see, from a different planet, in a different star system, four planets being blown up. Four planets that are shown to be close to each other, so close in fact, that they would impact each other due to gravity.
Qui Gon Jinn be like: The Jedi cremated my body without my permission but I just took a breather when Maul Shanked me like Reeva (twice)/ The Grand Inquisitor 🙃
The original movie was set in a time where the Jedi were long since forgotten about, especially in the outer rim. Obi-wan should have been much younger in the first movie "I haven't gone by the name Obi-Wan since before you (Luke) were born". You can have Obi and Owen discuss Luke and even Luke meeting Obi, but as Ben. Just a horrible mess. Also, they didn't want the EU because then they would have to pay royalties to the original authors. It was easier to steal their ideas and mess them up.
HOW he let him live changed due to a Kathaleen Kennedy "re-write" in the script. Originally, it was written that he would hear Qui Gon's voice, which would spur him out from under the rocks, then, just before striking the kill shot, Qui Gon would stop him again, and tell him that he must live, its the will of the force, and that all the light wasnt gone from him, making Obi Wan reluctantly leave. While I would have had to see it to pass judgement, after I read this I thought it miles above what they actually did. But you know, its all about Leia, who is competent and multi-skilled, and collected. Its not about that "boy" who was just a clumsy oaf who runs and falls and knocks himself out.... Gotta push the "message". Girl power and all.
I disagree with the idea of Obi-Wan being able to overpower Darth Vader. If he could, then he is the pinnacle example of dereliction of duty. For over a decade, he could have gotten of his hands, sought out Vader - who would have fought him alone - and killed him. Luke or Leia were the only ones powerful enough to kill the Sith Lords after Yoda lost his lightsaber and Obi-Wan didn’t utilize his one lucky opportunity.
@@examiningkubrickphilosofia1530 Obi-Wan walked away from a triple amputee who was burning to death. The Jedi Code prevented Obi-Wan from delivering a final lightsaber strike to such a helpless opponent, and even the Emperor was surprised to find Vader still alive.
Dereliction of duty??? Goddamn y'all are pulling out some big words to justify this outrage. Obi-wan's duty was to protect Luke. What good would it have done if he had died fighting Vader, OR if he had succeeded in killing him, only to turn the entire Empire's sights on him for killing DARTH FUCKING VADER?
@@Frankthegb So leaving the Emperor’s most powerful apprentice and the Sith Lord that Obi-Wan left to die ten years ago and would later train Luke to kill makes sense to you? Who’s doing what to justify things again?
The saddest thing about Disney owning star wars is the fact that when I see older stuff about star wars or moments that feel like og star wars I do get genuinely excited and invested in the story and characters but then I see everything that star wars is now and where its going and how genuinely uninteresting and stupid most Disney stuff is and I just feel apathetic because I know it'll never be as good as it once was
@@afilthy6digit839 you really should watch some of it. Atleast mando s1 and 2, cw s7, rogue one (if you haven’t seen it), and this show. Give this show a chance atleast just for the last couple episodes.
@@oXRaptorzXo I have watched s7 of the clone wars and it was a genuinely amazing cap off to one if my favourite childhood shows and one of my all time favourites overall, I've also seen rouge one amd definitely enjoyed that I think it was the last truly good star wars movie to come out but my problem is that with the direction the main line stuff has gone I just can't find it in me to care about anything star wars anymore and I do genuinely hope I can take back that statement someday because seeing such a massive part of my childhood fall apart like that is just depressing
@@afilthy6digit839 that’s sad to hear. I hope you do give atleast this and mando a chance, because I do think they are both good Star Wars content. Mando is self explanatory, but Kenobi is more of a mixed bag. Both sides of the story overreact. It’s not perfect, and it’s not terrible. The thing is all the obiwan stuff and the Vader stuff is perfect, and the reva stuff and Leia stuff is mid. Give it a shot because the last 2 episodes are amazing
I feel that the reason people are upset about Obi-Wan showing how powerful he is is because for the whole season he was struggling and then boom got all his power back.
Not only that, but it just.. doesn't work. Obi-Wan becomes a fucking telekinetic God on the level of Kira Yamato in the last episode for no reason. We've never seen Obi-Wan (or really anyone besides Anakin in the Clone Wars show, Palpatine at the end of Rise Of Skywalker, and Rey that one time) have this much power in the Force, like, ever. Plus, Obi-Wan's supposed to be the "prime example of a Jedi", and clearly all that adherence to the Jedi Code means absolutely nothing, because the INSTANT the man draws on his emotions, he becomes more powerful than Darth Vader. Not to mention the majority of these emotions are about protecting Leia, which is not only not his problem to deal with, but weird as shit. It would have been weird if we saw scenes of Luke, too, honestly, especially if all he did was just sit on a cliff watching him with some binoculars. If they at least went the route of Obi-Wan somewhat helping out around the Lars homestead sometimes, maybe even dueling A'Sharad or dealing with the Tuskens, it might be a cool thing where Obi-Wan is conflicted because "Oh, I know that's Luke's father, but I've also been sort of helping raise Luke and I need to protect the boy that I'm raising that represents the last good thing left of Anakin", but no, that requires too much brainpower for the writers at Disney.
There's also the fact that there is absolutely no way he should be able to beat Darth Vader by straight up overpowering him. Not only is Vader STRONGER than he used to be (it legitimately says on his Wookiepedia page that he is much stronger physically as a mutilated cyborg than he was as an ordinary man, courtesy of his suit's powerful cybernetic enhancements/powered prosthetics AND his ability to use the Force to boost himself further), but it does Obi-Wan a disservice because that's not how he fights. There's a reason he's considered THE master of Saber Form 3: Soresu, the most DEFENSIVE-oriented lightsaber stance there is. He's almost never won his fights by outpowering his foes, and the one time he tried that against Darth Maul in *Phantom Menace,* he nearly died for it and had to rely on a surprise attack to beat him. In all of his subsequent fights in the movies, like Grievous on Utapau and Vader on Mustafar, he's played defence for the whole fight and waited for his opponent to slip up and make a mistake he can exploit, which Vader did when he tried to jump over Obi-Wan and got his limbs cut off for it. Obi-Wan outpowering Vader is just straight-up not happening, especially considering that Vader going against Obi is perhaps the best opportunity he has to juice himself even further on Dark Side power, because he despises hold Master more than practically anyone else, save for maybe Palpatine, so he'll have a LOT of hatred to draw on in that fight. And yeah, as other commenters have mentioned, he's pulling off shit with the Force that YODA, someone definitively his superior when it comes to Force affinity, would greatly struggle with doing or outright just fail at. Look at how much effort it takes him to move those small bits of debris or that pillar in the climax of *Attack Of the Clones.* No way Obi-Wan can just effortlessly levitate and throw all those boulders the way he did.
@@rookiedrifter4273 wrong. Obiwans master always criticized the Jedi way, because they blocked out emotions. You know how the dark side draws on anger? Well the light side draws on love. The Jedi way is not the light side
@@oXRaptorzXo Finally, someone gets it! The Jedi in the prequels were horribly stagnant and even corrupt, that was the point - that's why they need to be destroyed by the Chosen One, they're beyond the point where they could simply be reformed.
"Then my friend is truly dead." I understand Obi wan is heavily grieving in that moment, but that line feels off. Shouldn't that have shown his resolve in finishing off Vader? If Anakin is dead, you are not killing him, just the monster that's left.
Let me reframe that line. "Then my father is truly dead."... the writers think they are cute with this. -_- Also yes. This esentaly makes Obi Wan responsible for all the death that happened by Vaders hand after that point.
All I can say is, thank the Force that this is over. This writing was some of the most horrific I've ever seen. Even Hayden and Ewan couldn't save this turkey.
@@LoneWolf-xe6ye 1. Not everyone has the same religious beliefs as you. So if he wants to “invoke” god then let him sort that out. 2. Pg-13 means kids aren’t advised to watch without parental guidance. Plus I wasn’t only talking about the movies. The shows and games have have the exact same thing too.
The reason Reva is here for her 180o heal turn for no good reason. Just Some Guy no one watches/reads anything anymore. Just look at Amazon's rings of power
Didn’t George Lucas say Kenobi wasn’t all that strong in the force and that he instead made up for it with subversive tactics? Also Vader even as a burnt torso is still more powerful in the force that kenobi that literally the only reason palpatine bother to save him because it could have taken years to find anyone as powerful as Vader even in his current state.
George also had Anakin say a line about Obi-Wan in the prequels, which I have to paraphrase and went something like this: "He is as wise as Master Yoda and as powerful as Master Windu." So, even George, at least by the time of the prequels, wasn't too sold on Obi-Wan being weak in the force. Anakin should still be stronger on a raw power level.
From what I understand, Obi Wan isn't weak in the force, but Anakin is WAY more powerful (he is the chosen one), so Obi Wan made up for it in lightsaber combat and strategy. I've just given up on Star Wars to be honest, some new canon stuff is nice, but I'll gladly stick to the expanded universe with the pre-disney mandolorians. Vode An brothers.
@@cypherdastro8105 You're correct. Obi-Wan was very high-tier in terms of Force power, it's just that people like Anakin were even higher. The line was not that he isn't strong in the force, it's that he isn't AS strong (as Anakin) in the Force.
A better plot would’ve been Obi-Wan traveling to different Force-heavy locations and learning to become a force ghost. You could’ve still had the duel with Obi-Wan and Vader, but it would’ve been in a vision, and Obi-Wan could’ve moved on that way.
That would have been awful. The Force, force ghosts and Jedi are uninteresting if they're the focus of the story. It's better for them to be in the background and remain somewhat mysterious.
@@reek4062 would’ve been a whole lot better than the bullshit that we got. If you want a show where Jedi aren’t the focus, then I doubt you would’ve liked Obi-Wan regardless of its plot, since him being a Jedi automatically means that Jedi are the center to the story.
Idk I really liked the “I didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker..I did” line. It’s one of the few things they did right. Yoda even says this in Revenge of the Sith. “Gone the boy you trained, consumed by Darth Vader”. Besides that, spot on review.
at my work we have virtual meetings three times a week and on friday a bunch of my coworkers were praising the kenobi show and i just wanted to burst out laughing.
What you've failed to understand: SHE'S AWESOME! Just being a female character in Disnuts Social Wars means that she's just awesome. All of her sins are because of the "patriarchy" or something, and she overcomes her past by simply being awesome. It works for her, because she's on the right side of history, or the Force, or whatever.
One thing I was thinking of when I watched the end of the Kenobi/Vader fight and Kenobi leaves Vader alive, is that they could have easily solved that by maybe having a battalion of stormtroopers show up to help Vader and Kenobi runs off to save himself, or a group of Rebels or "The Path" or whatever it is they call themselves showing up to help Kenobi escape with some cover fire or something. Instead of just having Kenobi just casually saunter off, leaving Vader to go on to commit many more atrocities. You know, if the writers actually _thought_ about things beforehand.
I’m glad you aren’t the writer then. Vader specifically said he was going alone, and that shuttle is also very small. Kenobi went alone also to lure the empire away from the rebels. The rebels wouldn’t have gone back lol
I was thinking Reva’s whole character arc makes more sense if she’s some kind of droid, albeit one more in line with Ghost in the Shell or Terminator than Star Wars. She wouldn’t die from a lightsaber wound because that’s not actually where her vitals are. Darth Vader wouldn’t realize he hadn’t killed her either time because force users have trouble with reading droids. It also explains why she makes the logical leap from “I’m so sad my Jedi school friends were killed in front of me” to “I’m going to kill every Jedi I find including kids and keep their bodies in my trophy room” - this is what she was built for, probably a Sith weapon to infiltrate the Jedi temple and surreptitiously kill younglings, it’s just that in Reva’s case Anakin got there first.
If Vader had trouble reading Reva while alive (no difference between a 'dead' or a 'living' droid) that would make him suspicious by itself. It's hard to pretend to be a Dark Sider when you quite literally don't exist in the Force. Vader would have picked up on that in one of his Inquisitors. Also, why would she turn on Vader then? "Statement: You interfere with my primary directives. I cannot allow this to continue." I don't think that works. Book of Boba Fett already gave us someone with a cybernetic midriff. Prosthetics are normal in Star Wars. Reva got shot/stabbed (whatever), played dead, and fled into the Underworld of Coruscant where some prosthetics dealer took pity and installed a durasteel liver. Still contrived but sure, why not.
“Before anyone bitches” at 10:19 Oh I’m gonna bitch about it. Because Kenobi hasn’t been strong enough to raise up a boulder this whole series. Now after getting his ass kicked a bit he’s just one with the force again? He got Gary Stu’d and it didn’t look good.
You nailed it, bro. I love how you say “get back in there and kill dis n*gga!” Used the word in the right context at the right time! Long live the lingo!
Owen and Beru are way too calm seeing Reva holding unconscious Luke back, they should be snaching him away from her and beating her up. Also, wouldn't Luke have some memories of Reva raiding his house? *Luke* : Hey Master Kenobi, ten years ago I have vague memories of some angry black lady chasing me through the desert, do you have any idea what that was about?
At the end of the day, I feel like Reva was completely unnecessary to the story. You could have cut her out entirely and had Vader been the one doing everything she was doing. The focus should have been on those two the entire time and If this was just a movie and we had way more Ewan and Hayden I think the praise would be unreal, Ewan and Hayden did amazing and I'm just grateful that they returned and for their performances.
Vader is more powerful than Obi Wan, Obi was over powered. Based on the story plot, Obi should be compared to his fight in Ep3 where Anakin gave him the toughest fight in his life despite Anakin being conflicted, not fighting like he usually would, and being near insane. Obi's advantages are he & Anakin know each other's fighting style very well, he's literally the best in defense fighting. Story would have made more sense if Obi broke the mask, gave a scar, than faked his death.
idk, seemed like Grievous gave Obi Wan a harder fight than Anakin. he had to resort to a blaster, were in the Anakin fight he didn't seem like he was running/being pushed back because of a lack of skill, he just didn't want to kill anakin. I'd say Obi was more conflicted, Anakin had already strangled padme at this point.
@@Born_Stellar Obi Wan only started losing to Grievous when he had to chase him during which he lost his lightsaber, same thing happened in Ep 2 with Jango Fett. In the fight with Anakin, Anakin spent the majority of the fight pushing Obi Wan back, we saw Anakin cry about what he had done before meeting/strangling Padme, and he was kinda crazy during the fight and I would say while both Anakin and Obi Wan would have inner conflict, i think you're a bit less conflicted in trying to stay alive than trying to kill someone. Ether way, that wouldn't be an issue afterwards with Darth Vader since he out right hates Obi Wan after Ep 3, far more connected in the Dark Side than he was during his Ep 3 Obi Wan fight (you even see his eyes change to sith eyes when killing the last of the separatists, they go back to normal afterwards and don't turn into Sith eyes again until he's lost the fight before he burns.) and he's had roughly a decade to get used to his suit, where according to the show Obi Wan hasn't been training with him in the show slowly getting his power back. As well as Obi Wan was the best in defense fighting. In the novels Count Dooku notes this in his last fight and Mace called him not a Master, but The Master in the form he uses.
Yeah anyone who thinks Obi-Wan can lift several tons of rocks clearly has not actually seen that much of the series. Dude could barely force pull the remote to him from across the room. His fight vs Anakin on Mustafar is an outlier backed by knowing the man deeply and it’s absolutely not something he’d be able to replicate on the fly vs Vader, who has a much different fighting style and is much more likely to just toss him into space with the force.
@@SHEANGOMES Well he could lift that much weight and others less powerful than him could too, but those would be novels, comics, video games which the films wouldn't be able to capture and I wouldn't blame them. But seeing him lift all those rocks by just will alone, not even hand movements, I swear I thought I was watching Rey fighting Vader.
@@TheHulkbuster13 Absolutely agree Yoda was one of the most powerful force user - definitely stronger in the force then Kenobi - and he with effort lift x-wing ...and here we got Ray Kenobi.... :(
So, i’ve finished the show. I have some notes… First of all, Liam Neeson didn’t even try to hide his accent. I liked Hayden Christensen returning - it’s his role, anointed by Lucas himself. He sure beats Darth Lurch from Rogue One. I liked that actor Joel Edgerton returned as well. For the sparring duel flashback, why would they go farther back than they needed to? Set it around Ep. III. I see a lot of wasted potential, but fuck it. Hollywood’s circling the drain.
Absolutely agree on the EU. The stories were amazing and somehow, despite being from a multitude of creators, managed to keep more consistency in their lore than Disney has managed with their dedicated "story group". They literally have stories written and ready to go. I'd pay good money to see Darth Bane brought to a live action show.
@The Cambot assuming they were faithful to the source material, and this was an alternate reality where Disney star wars was...you know, good, then yeah. As things stand though, maybe you're right, maybe it's for the best.
didn't Kenobi also become one with the light side for a moment when he and Anakin were fighting Dooku, trying to rescue Palpatine? Watching him re-embrace his role in the force and "stretch his legs" was awesome. And then he walked away from Vader. Again. it's obvious Joby doesn't care about Star Wars and just wants to play with the action figures.
The amount of shit with all of theses good actors and probably a good amount of money is really unbelievable. I really fear what we'll get for Ahsoka, even if I trust a lot more Dave Filloni than disney.
Only thing I disagree with: Obi Wan is NOT that powerful, when it comes to the force. He's one of the best duelists, yes, but exactly because he compensate his lack of raw power with training. The one who should be tossing rocks around is Vader. It's like Disney swapped their fighting styles.
S*** in all honesty it feels like Riva is Disney and Luke is just Luke man Disney's really just trying to get after this guy for no reason they just want to destroy his legacy and destroy everything Luke stands for as a man
It sounds like another story that just wants to make cool things happen without any thought as to why it's happening or how it affects the rest of the franchise.
"Increase firepower." -Darth Vader That reminds me of Episode 200 of SG-1. "Why aren't the weapons already at maximum?" "It doesn't matter. Audiences LOVE 'weapons at maximum."
The conclusion of every episode left me thinking, "How is it over already? Not enough happened!" There was not much substance in any episode, and while I did look forward to the next, this series as a whole has no re-watch value, the way, say, the Clone Wars series has. I certainly am looking forward to Ahsoka, but I cannot help feeling that it shall similarly be a product of poor execution.
Very good. I have a hard time understanding how or even why anyone with an ounce of rationality would attempt to call this nonsense "good". If watching this kind of crap is a guilty pleasure or even if you really actually enjoy it, fair enough. Unlike the people who made it I don't have a problem with others not sharing my taste. But why defend the indefensible? If you're a paying customer you've seen it and Disney won't thank you, they already have your money. If you are Disney you know you can't polish a turd, but you can get visibly spattered with poo trying. PS: An additional point. It was established, a long time ago in a galaxy increasingly far away, that hyperspace is no insta-jump. It takes hours to travel from one planet to another even through hyperspace. This alone makes Jake Kenobi's trip from planet 'who gives a fuck' to finally get round to rescuing Luke on Tatooine idiotically and impossibly fast... never mind time to orbit, come in through the atmosphere, land, find the means to travel to Luke, find him... and so on. It's all utter bull.
Disney intended Riva to die by Vader. After the massive viewership, they reshot her ending scenes to keep her as a potential character for season 2. So yeah, it makes no sense. But it’s because they in effect took a left turn not expecting a season 2.
They could have used the dark horse comics Tail of the Jedi series. That takes place before the knights of the old republic games. Edit. It also has a strong female character Jedi who starts training after her husband's murdered. Naomi Sunrider.
Your script/plot for Reva being redeemed by killing the Grand Inquisitor before he could kill Luke was a GREAT idea. Sooo much better than what we got. Just have to find a way to prevent Luke from seeing a pretty damn good lightsaber fight. Disney seems to have a rule about retconning; they will retcon events that solely involve dialogue and claim that some ambiguity exists even if it doesn't. But the little logical details that preserve the suspension of disbelief--Leia not having a tighter bond with Ben as an adult, Vader not being able to sense Ben's secret about Luke & Leia while they fought not once but twice ("your thoughts betray you?"), Leia shedding no tears for Ben after his demise, Bail Organa's connections to the Jedi and the Rebellion being an open secret--all these cause issues with the established story. There's just a lack of good stewardship that Disney has with Kenobi and SW in general....
I must have missed something in the show because I haven't seen anyone mention it. Wouldn't Reva find it mildly humourous that the guy she was harassing in episode one also happens to be the guy she's fighting here? Just a line like "I should have killed you when I had the chance" or some other refurbished line.
In Lea’s defense, by the time she see’s Obi’s death, she’s already seen her entire planet and everyone she knew and loved there completely blown up by the Death Star. She is on a much bigger mission and is smart enough to know getting killed there would be of zero use. She had her wits about her while Luke is acting like a baby over a guy he barely knows. That’s what goes down in the original movie. Lea has really always been the biggest badass of all of them. Right from A New Hope.
The "you didn't kill Anakin, I did" quote is not as bad as you make it sound, it's him admitting he fell to the dark side because of his own choices (which were manipulated by Palpatine, but whatever), and Obi-Wan just walking off instead of finishing him was obviously done because of the OG trilogy, but let's also keep in mind that he's still his best friend and brother-like figure, and it would be incredibly stupid and out of touch if he was like "Yeah you're done son" and kill him seconds after that emotional moment. Hell, even when they face off at the death star on A New Hope he is not there to kill Vader, and we could say he still doesn't have the heart and mind to do so. Honestly I think this serie was padded and Reva was their main tool for that; it really bothers me how she accomplished nothing and when you think about it, she could easily be replaced by any other inquisitor on the story, with small touches like changing their reason for hunting Vader to "I just want to take his place", which is pretty in touch with the sith.
Before anyone asks, I had nothing to do with Reva being an Inquisitor. That was all Vader's thing. He is quite the contradictory fellow at times. He hates it when someone knows his true identity yet he kept her alive because... Reasons?
No. Obi-wan Kenobi was never this powerful in the Force. This is beyond Yoda powerful. Look, I think he's a great character and I get it--when we love a character, we want them to "be the best" at whatever it is they do or what they are. Kenobi has NEVER been as powerful as Vader or Yoda or Palpatine because...then what was the point of the original trilogy? Back when this story made sense, you had Anakin, the Chosen One, vs. Luke, his son. Why? Because Luke was the only one capable of taking Vader out. Simple. The Emperor killed 10,000 Jedi without batting an eye--he never found Kenobi or Yoda, and his reaction--, "oh, well." But in ESB, the Emperor believed Luke was a threat--not the 10,000 Jedi or Kenobi or Yoda. Luke. Then he decides to recruit him, and now you have two Sith secretly waging a war--Vader wanting Luke to overthrow the Emperor and the Emperor wanting Luke to replace Vader. "The Emperor knew, as I did, that if Anakin were to have any offspring, they'd be a threat to him."--Kenobi quote. Kenobi believed 100% that Anakin was gone; he and Yoda didn't send Luke to face Vader BECAUSE he was his son--they did it IN SPITE OF IT. Of all the people you send to kill someone, the last would be the man's child. But they did it, because Luke was the only one capable to matching Vader. Despite all that, we never see any Jedi in the OT or PT do anything close to what Kenobi did in this stupid series. Yoda picked up an X-wing and a respulsorpod in the Senate Hall, and it was done with adamant concentration. Here, Kenobi pelted 50 X-wing's worth of boulders at Vader without any strain. Thanks, Rey. The reason I liked Kenobi so much in the OT/PT is because he used his brains. It wasn't about swinging his dick around; he was smart. He used Anakin's own personality flaws against him--the ENTIRE ROTS fight, Anakin is dominating Kenobi. But Kenobi refuses to die; he manages to hold on, and Anakin gets arrogant, impatient and reckless, and Kenobi sees his opening. Anakin leaps, and Kenobi slices him down. Despite all my complaints about dialogue, this fight was smart and consistent with the characters. This OP moment in this series is there because the writers can't think of anything clever; it's to satisfy that "power fantasy" we have, even if it doesn't make sense with everything we've seen before. Kenobi wasn't the greatest because he was the strongest--he was the greatest because he knew how to fight despite not being the strongest. This...this reduces his character, not improves upon it.
When it comes to characters entering a conflict I always remember the phrase 'hope for the best, but plan for the worst'. Disney's writers throw that phrase right out of the air locks. The way the protagonists plan and survive most of the conflicts rely on so many contrivances and fortunate happen stances it's as though they're banking on the idea that their adversaries will act in a manner befitting A mentally inept Panda Bear.
If this is what they're going to say is canon, then I fear for the originals. With what little hope I have left for Star Wars, I HOPE this series isn't an excuse for Disney to remake the OT, but with Kenobi, I won't surprised if they do.
Holy shit...Luke sees Reva's lightsaber...making the moment when Obi-Wan hands him Anakin's saber in ANH completely pointless. "This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight" "Yeah, jackass I already saw one like 9 years ago". This shit just gets worse...
Having Obi Wan and Darth Vader in the same show, and still producing shit is actually impressive...
You'd have to try to make it shit.
I think you meant horrific not impressive.
From a certain point of view.
I never thought of it that way 🤣
Most impressive
This new Obi Wan Kenobi show is a great example of why Disney should just leave Star Wars alone.
Problem is that enough "normies" watch this shitshow
The Mandalorian was the best SW since I saw Empire in the cinema in the summer of 1980.
But Kenobi is a Lucasfilm storygroup project, the same storygroup that was barred from involvement, and any attempted interference, with the Mandalorian as part of the deal Team Faverau [which doesn't inc Filoni] agreed with Bob Iger.
100 million people signed up to D+ within 12 months, vastly exceeding D's expectation of 60-80m subs by Nov 2024, and the Mandalorian was the only original content on D+ for its first 14 months. 100m x $7pm x 12 months = $8.4 billion. Exceptional return on the the $100m invested on each season of the Mandalorian. Then there's the most merchandisable character since Vader, who Team Faverau had so much confidence in Disney didn't spend a dime on marketing D+, betting on Grogu getting them $100's of millions in free advertising. It worked.
Probably one of the most financially successful shows in TV history.
@@sarl2121 I thought The Mandalorian was quite good for the most part - at least it didn't attempt to tear at the fabric of the OT canon. I just think they are trying for too much too soon, and it is starting to show. There is so much more I could say - but I still remember seeing Empire at the cinema - I was only six - and the memories of those days will be with me forever. As for what the future holds, I guess we will have to wait and see.
4 Billion dollars bro they will milk starwars until the last drop
@@stellviahohenheim Yeah, they sure will, and I know my words, and those of many others, will fall on deaf ears at Disney. I just wish they would realize that sometimes, if you truly love an IP, you have to use it sparingly.
The Luke and Reva running several miles at night is even worse when you remember:
"It's too dangerous with all the sand people, we'll have to wait til morning"
Would have been better if sand people attacked Luke and Reva saved him. Actually, would have been better if she hadn't been in the show at all.
Or it would have been better if Owen said Reva was going to attack by day because night is too dangerous, then Reva tries to attack at night and gets her butt kicked by sand people. Then when Luke goes out with Uncle Owen the next day he finds Reva passed out with severe wounds in one of the buildings and because he’s such a good person he decides to treat her wounds and bring her food and water and his kindness wins her over.
I honestly thought the sand people would indirectly save Luke by attacking Reva while Owen and Beru get Luke out of there
There were like 99% humans on the show. Don't worry about sand people
@@therealCellblock1138 Would have been better if this show had never been made.
For the record:
- This show is a canon breaking mess and no amount of fan service will change that.
- Shaky cam.... Really!?
- Wanting Star Wars to be good and having standards is NOT toxic.
- In a fandom this big having a few douchebags is inevitable that's not a toxic fandom however.
- The worst thing about Kenobi are the Star Wars fanboys that will eat a turd sandwich if it came in a Star Wars wrapper.
Enjoy your new fandom Disney. I own a Millennium Falcon the size of a coffee table. And you lost me.
On a side note finally someone mentioned the TRACTOR BEAM!!!
I agree, the key issues are poor story telling, ignoring and / or changing canon, too many characters with little to no character development, lacklustre action set pieces, saber battles, obvious product placement / merchandising and a substandard plot involving a Jedi turned Inquisitor that hunts and kills Jedi to get close to Vader in order to avenge Jedi younglings.. Framing the narrative that Reva is a good person for NOT killing a 10 year old Luke when she's undoubtedly killed innocents to maintain her position as an Inquisitor falls flat, there's no inner turmoil or 'ends justify the means' story telling, we're supposed to applaud this murderer for not killing a child.
I can't tell you how many people have said "WHAT A GREAT SERIES!" to me...with a straight face. They must have watched a different show, because literally HALF of this show is some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life.
I have to comment on three things:
-''This show is a canon breaking mess''. Who cares?
-''Wanting Star Wars to be good and having standards''. Star Wars hasn't been good since 1997, with the Mandalorian season 1 being an exception, but people still watch it, so the current standards suffice.
-''The worst thing about Kenobi are the Star Wars fanboys that will eat a turd sandwich if it came in a Star Wars wrapper.'' It's true that Star Wars fanboys will eat a turd if it came in a Star Wars wrapper, but it's not the worst thing. The worst thing is that many of the people who complain aboot Kenobi spent years, sometimes even decades, complaining aboot the prequels and sequels. Can't they just move on?
Star Wars is a giant turd. The tenth time you eat a turd you shouldn't be surprised by the taste.
ive said this from the beginning... half the mfs that think kenobi was good would be fine with dogshit being shoved down their throat as long as it had a qui gon jinn cameo
@@reek4062 if you don’t understand why breaking canon is a bad thing, then there’s nothing else to discuss. Several moments in ANH now make no sense.
People want good storytelling, good characters, and suiting visuals to be entertained. That is it.
And this fucking show had none of it. JustSomeGuy's review was more entertaining than the whole damn mini-series.
Who are these people? Please provide contact details. This is that.
But A LOT of people THINK this is good storytelling, that's the problem.
@@Gitsenberg Exactly. But the other part is that new fans have been gaslighted by Disney and don't know any better.
No they don't. People, in fact, seem to be quite satisfied with crap like this. Which is why it's so concerning.
I just thought of something, with all this time that Obi Wan spent with Leia, he never talked about her, or supported her in the films, it was Yoda that kept bringing her up and saying that she's as important as Luke for the future.
Obi Wan: "That boy is our last hope"
Yoda: "No, there is another"
To be fair, I think the prequels actually created that plot hole. Although this makes it way worse. XD
@@TH3F4LC0Nx This whole show is a cluster F*** of retcon in my opinion. The prequels don't actaully create the plot hole, its stated and implied that Obi Wan should have no contact with Leia.
Leia wasn't Obi-Wan's responsibility, it was Bail Organa. He FAILED to protect Leia and then tried to guilt trip Obi-Wan into leaving Tattooine to find Leia, leaving Luke unprotected. And it's laughable that Bail Organa waited until episode 5 to mention he would go see if Luke was okay, why didn't he offer to do this when he first asked Obi-Wan to find Leia? And did he ever go to check on Luke? Probably not.
The show could have said "Hey, Leia midclorian count is below 0, while Luke's is big enough to be considered a force sensitive"
@@TH3F4LC0Nx not at all. For all he knows Leia was raised as a civilian who stands no chance against Vader. It's only the sequels that show her training in the force.
Can we talk about how the Reva-Luke sequence means that Obi Wan failed to protect luke? Luke is alive solely because of Reva's contrived change of heart, not because Kenobi intervened or bought Luke time. Regardless of Revas choice, Obi Wan was not there at the ONE moment Luke needed his protector
Yeah that’s the point. Obi Wan focused on Leia the entire time moving away from Luke where he could’ve been hurt. While Obi Wan was on an adventure fighting sith and saving a princesses Luke could have been attacked. Disney wants Reva to be redeemed and the only way to redeem a mass murdering, torturing inquisitor is to have her save the son of the chosen one that way everything is forgiven. It’s terrible in every way and I can’t get over it.
What makes so little sense to me is how Obi-Wan leaves Luke with Owen and Beru as his only protection, saying that all he needs is them after just watching them fail miserably to protect Luke. Why leave the galaxy’s last hope unprotected with two unequipped moister farmers after you were instructed to watch over the boy until the time was right. The show hurts itself, the original trilogy, and the prequels at the same time.
@@AppleSaurus01 pretty much, it’s filled to the brim with plot holes and continuity errors, but covers it all up with cameos and nostalgia which actually worked on most people.
He made her change her mind an episode before, i'm not defending the show but that's obvious
@@vondamn9943 so why did she go to kill Luke in the first place then?
The stakes are so high in this show, I’d rather believe nothing happened and Obi Wan just sat in a cave for two decades then this. It’s too insane for it to be ignored in a new hope.
Originally, Obi-Wan DID sit in a "cave" for 2 decades, along with occasional minor skirmishes. That was the whole point of his exile and his reactions during A New Hope.
i hate the fact that Vader and Kenobi fought in this show. i loved the idea of the duality between the duel on Mustafar and their fight on the Death Star.
now its 4 fights, an utter 'side-step' story that is just way too forced in to see as 'canon'.
i tried to like this show but ep3 felt like a fan-fic and it was all down hill from there.
"It’s too insane for it to be ignored in a new hope."
No. It's really not lol. EP4 had its own story to tell. It didn't need to rehash and era that George left deliberately up to interpretation.
@@Frankthegb what I mean to say is that it’s easier to believe Obi Wann sat in a cave for two decades then to believe the second most wanted man going on a cross galaxy road trip with a young Leia with the empire bearing down on both of them. Infiltrating a highly defended enemy base, surviving not one but two encounters with darth Vader, only to somehow disappear again on account that the empire is incompetent and won’t make any moves to investigate or arrest Bail organa now that they know he’s in contact with Obi Wann for the next ten years. It cannot be ignored.
Much like the Solo movie, it’s a story better left untold because it leaves more questions then it answers
Darth Vader in 1977: "The circle is complete. When I left you I was but the learner, now *I* am the master."
Disney in 2022: "Shh! You heard nothing!"
It’s why they had Vader call him Master, so Obi Wan could thrash him, snd still keeps _that_ canon intact…from a certain point of view.
So, he _was_ still the learner, yet he was also still a “learner,” in ANH, because his “master” is the Emperor.
Except, Lucas didn’t have all that worked out yet. He was winging all of it. I mean they had Luke and Leia, as a possible couple, even in Empire, before he decided she was his sister.
He didn’t come up with that until revised drafts for ROTJ. Sorry, I just don’t care about these minute details, trying to keep people who can’t stand retcons happy.
The show was terribly directed, and had lazy writing. _That_ is why it sucks.
If the story and directing had been good, I don’t care about sticking to the details of specific conversations in the first movie.
Leia kissed Luke, because Lucas knew a certain number of moviegoers would be waiting for it.
Me: FU Disney! I know what I heard.
That line was incredibly vague, and sparked TONS of fanfictions because for DECADES I as well as many others have theorised that they were entirely familiar with one another's new selves by then. Yet you people act as if that line (wherein "when I left you" refers to leaving him AS A PADAWAN, as opposed to "last time we saw each other") is absolute definitive proof that they haven't met since Mustafar. I always figured there'd be more after seeing ROTS. Furthermore, earlier when Vader says "I sense something; a presence I've not felt since..." Does he specify? No. Not at all. Another line that was entirely open to interpretation.
@LTNetjak When I'm writing a formal email with multiple recipients for work, I always somehow fail to bring up my personal past with the person I'm addressing. Instead, I include things that are relevant to the topic. Y'know, kind of like Leia does. She's also thrilled to learn that he's there on the Death Star with Luke. The only true inconsistency is her lack of a reaction to his death. But that was *already* poor writing even on George "god himself" Lucas' part, considering what a huge aspect of her mission Obi Wan was. But, as usual, the OT is treated as gospel and ol' George is like a messiah, so thou shalt not question him or his genius.
@LTNetjak Don't have to. My name's right there on it, and we're all familiar with each other.
Obi-wan also told Luke he hasn’t gone by that name since before Luke was born. The Mask thing was a straight rip from rebels. Also so now do all the events of the OT hinge on the decision Reva made? Qui-gon never completed the training only appeared as a disembodied voice even to Yoda.
People with good taste don't watch rebels
@@NamelessMF1658 Most viewers don't care aboot canon either
@@reek4062 inaccurate - they only care about canon when they think they have a good argument for how the new stuff fits in with the old. They suddenly don't care about it when they've clearly lost the argument.
@@reek4062
What? Most discussions and disagreements revolve on issues with canon. Sadly it is one of the easiest things to stick to yet most fail at it.
Didn't the retcon Qui-Gon part? Well before this show? Not defending, I'm just curious...
Reminds me of the Disney trilogy in which they had a perfect lead character in Finn but, for reasons, they made it about Ray. Disney just can't stop stepping on their own tails. It's truly like watching a monkey try to swallow a hand grenade. You know it's going to end poorly but you can't stop watching.
Yes, Disney is stupid for making dumb crap the Star Wars fans will pay for anyway.
Yeah, during the movie I thought Finn would carry the whole series, but it turned out to be godawfull. I gave kenobi a chance, but unfortunatly it wasn't good...
@The Cambot that's what he means to say smh. He's saying that Finn had the potential to lead the series, which definitely would have been very unique (a Stromtrooper transforming into a galactic hero), but they turned him into a joke
@@iamyourfather4270 Exactly! A Stormtrooper who suddenly can feel the Force is the story I thought they were going to tell. Not Vagina-Luke. :/
what's unforgivable about the de canoning of the EU, is that Disney keeps going back to it for it's plots and characters. it is them literally having a blueprint for a good story and then drawing all over it with crayon.
Owen was the most badass character in this show to me the he doesn’t crack when he thinks she’s going to kill him in the first episode and then puts up a decent fight in the last episode
Is that seriously all you got out of this?
@@gsofficial Lol they got water from a stone what more can you ask of them?
He can fight an Inquisitor but I guess some stormtroopers are just too much for him.
@@mongooseunleashed Did you know that A New Hope could have ended in the first 10 minutes of the movie?
@Money Panda yeah, i guess you're right
Alt Title: May the Force save your franchise because the cinematography makes me want to scream
It's better to save the Force for women who don't give consent.
@@reek4062 ?
@@reek4062 That does not sound.....judicious.
I find it hard to believe that a person could be stabbed in the chest with a light sabre and not cut in half; A light sabre will melt through a steel door, flesh isn't going to offer much more resistance than air; if there is even a slight angle to the beam, they are going to get a slot burned in them. It seems unlikely that an assailant would carefully pull it out at the same angle they inserted it.
twice.....TWICE and she fucking walked it off
It's like they keep forgetting Sifo Dias existed, also.
A lightsaber stab would pretty much cauterize their intestines, kidneys, lungs, and anything within an inch of the superheated blade.
@@CrisisComics which with a stab wound like that, is a bad thing.
@@CrisisComics just cause you aren't bleeding to death doesn't mean you wouldn't still die from a would like that. remember, people die from burns. well, not anakin, but you know what I mean.
Having grown up in the 70s and watching this franchise get its start in the theatres this whole thing is truly gutting. While the highs have been highs and few in number (Luke in Mandalorian), the lows have been numerous and totally cringeworthy. I haven't even watched this stuff after s1 of the Mandalorian. All I do is watch reviews..a lot of reviews because I find people who feel like me who are shocked and just wrecked at how this beloved franchise has been bastardized by a corporation that cares nothing for it.
I was right there with you, witnessing this feat in its infancy when I saw The Empire Strikes Back in cinemas in 1980. Missed out on Star Wars (now A New Hope) until its home video release. But as much as those films are a cherished piece of my childhood, a lot of the new serials (not the abysmal sequal trilogy) are amazing to me. We didn't take this so seriously back then. We were wowed by the incredible visual effects, character/set designs and music, but it never felt to me like the story took itself that seriously until Return of the Jedi. Nowadays, the newer fans are so personally invested in this, their demands are nigh impossible to meet. I don't hate the Obi Wan Kenobi show, but it certainly satisfies me as a lifelong fan to see Vader and Obi Wan clash once more. People have badmouthed this franchise in every decade, and don't come around until the next thing to hate comes along. It's never really changed, nor will it ever.
lol. Luke was the low point of the Mandalorian. And people who are shocked or wrecked over a show shouldn't watch tv,
But Disney thinks you're just an "ist" and "phobe" because you're an actual fan of non-Disney Star Wars. To them, fans like you are the PROBLEM because you're old enough to remember a time before all the Woke crap!
@@reek4062 *waves hand* You don't want to be huffing death sticks.
*waves hand* You want to go home and rethink your life.
I'm so OG that I seen the first 10 minutes of the Holiday Special before the parents shut it off in it's only broadcast. I bought books, lots of books of the EU, which kept the universe alive until the Prequels, which I thought were fine, even if Jar-Jar really should have been Darth Plageous the wise, in the same venue as Yoda's introduction in the Empire Strikes Back was a annoying little toad. I got off the Train at the end of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, as I finally had this thing called the Internet, and the last area bookstore closed within 2 months of it. I thought the series had grand stories, and good writing in general, and I with many others think the Thrawn trilogy is equal in scope to the origional trilogy. But when Disney nuked everything I had supported for decades, l knew it would take a lot to win me over to the new trilogy. And that never happened. I seen the Force Awakens in the Theatre, then walked away, and not watched not just any Star Wars content, but any Disney content period.
So, Never, Disney, I will never turn to the Dark Side and support your disrespect of the Series that I and many like me kept alive for decades, as I am a fan of the Jedi, like the fans before me. You have failed, Mouse. Your faith in your marketing was your weakness, and for my faith in my fellow fans being mine, we will see, mouse, we will see.
When I heard Obi Wan was going to have his own series, I thought it would be his struggles to learn the whole force ghost thing while guarding Luke from afar, from things like the Hutts and Tuscan raiders etc. Tatooine has plenty of stuff that would present a danger to an innocent child.
Apparently the original scripts for the show were very much like what you describe, including Ray Park as Darth Maul returning to threaten Luke at one point. Then in early 2020, Kathleen Kennedy decided she didn't like these scripts and ordered the series put on hold. She thought the stories were too similar to The Mandalorian. The series was almost completely re-written to be 'bigger', with Obi-Wan going up against the Empire and Vader.
When I heard Obi-Wan would have his own series, I immediately assumed they'd use his name to introduce a younger female character who outdoes him in every area because he's a stupid, outdated, middle aged white man. I was wrong. They introduced two.
I'm absolutely sure that Reva's story and life was supposed to end in episode 5 when Vader stabbed her. Her inclusion in episode 6 is bizarre, inexplicable and superfluous. I am sure it must have been a mandate from Kennedy to keep her alive (either because it is a bad look killing off a strong black wahmen, OR because if her spinoff potential), so she was shoehorned in to an episode that was probably supposed to focus entirely on Vader and Kenobi.
Not only that but it really felt rushed. They wanted Reva to have a show so they needed her alive. So they didn’t explain how she got through death twice other than being too angry to die, they didn’t explain how she got off the planet, and they needed her to be redeemed so they made her slap the cup out of some bullies hand and save the protagonist for the 2nd trilogy. It’s insanely terrible writing just so that they can create a character for a show nobody will really watch after watching this one. Revas character was not done well.
Somehow Reva survived.....
Nice thought, but that would imply that the writers might actually be capable of telling a good story with substance and only seem incompetent due to micro managing lol
Does this give me hope for a future that still has writers capable of good story telling, once they’re let of the leash?
I remember a scene in Ep3, where when Obi Wan during his General Grievous fight, fought near Grievous's ship and after being attacked by his clone troops went to the same ship, took it to leave the planet. This was 2005, I was 13 when seeing this, I understood this in a second. Really goes to show the writing in this show. Its like hydra, the more plot holes they try to cover up, the 2 to 3 that seem to take its place.
You didn't get a heart attack from all the cgi?
Edit: prequel fans are easy to bait
@@reek4062 There is CGI, of course, but a single prequel has more practical effects than the OT combined. There are many scenes people to this day think were completely CGI when in fact practical effects were used in combination with CGI. Star Wars has always been at the forefront using and inventing new film technologies. This is true with the prequels and its use of CGI as well
@@reek4062 I had no problem with the CGI, I focused on the fights, action, story, characters etc.
@@reek4062 Also, for early 2000s, they were really good.
@@reek4062 No, because prequel fans are not CG-Phobic.
And it was incredibly easy to fix “not killing Vader” problem. Vader kinda don’t want to die (he is a Sith, after all), and is not above calling for help. We’ve seen that even best Jedi loses against too much dakka. It’s humiliating, but you can show his monstrousness by him killing his saviours after the fact. Or simply do some kind of earthquake, and “poetically” crush Vader with rocks, or make him fall into deep chasm (not that that kills force-users in SW), we’ve established that people check vitals with force never in this very episode.
Also, Reeva cannot be saved by Obi Wan, because it would turn series into white saviour story (in their eyes and eyes of some critics, but not really), and today Disney cannot have it, especially so if saviour is a man.
Vader calling for help would have been pathetic. An earthquake would have been too convenient. I think the series handled it very well.
@@reek4062 the series is a bad joke
They could have simply changed the fight. Instead of random planet. It happens on board the Star Destroyer. The Star Destroyer is fighting Alderan's defense force. The ship is being pounded. Vader and Obi Wan are fighting on the hanger deck area. This would give Obi Wan moments of him thinking about Maul fight. The ship is slowly being destroyed. Where Vader and Obi have to stop and retreat to their ships and abandon the Star destroyer. This gives motivation to why Vader blows up Alderan in ep 4. It forces them to stop fighting. Obi wants to kill Vader at all cost. But if he stays, he will die. And no one will be there for Luke. So Luke's protection forces him to give it up. This could have been a moment for Qui Gon to chime in. Right before Obi Wan can get a killing blow in. The explosion masks several escaping imperial ships.
If you're going to involve Alderan, use it. If you're going to use a tracking device in Leia's toy. Keep it alive for so many episodes. Use it.
@@reek4062 it all depends on framing, really. Make the area of fight dangerous by default, world-shattering cataclysm raging during last duel of two great force-users. Make aid coming not on Vader orders but on Emperors, who sensed Vader being overwhelmed. Do anything but don’t make Kenobi just leave due to his feelings. He betrayed galaxy in that scene by not killing Vader (and not like he has no sense of duty - last time they fought for real he left Anakin to die slowly, not being able to finish him, but firmly believing that there was no way out for his former friend). He saw what Vader and his master had done to the world firsthand, he suffered from it during this very series. Any outside force would do, really. I do not pretend that my variants are best, just saying that any amount of thought given to bigger context would change this scene.
Nah, they would say that: "She saved herself", in fact, Obi arrives when she could have already kill Luke, but she did not, to avoid this very inconvenience
Disney has no creativity. So they need nostalgia to keep the franchise going
But, no creative sense it makes little difference
Amazing how quickly the most popular IP in history became the world’s most expensive meme generator.
Star Wars has been kept afloat by nostalgia for decades, there's nothing new there
They even rip off their own ideas, it's hilarious.
@@reek4062 *waves hand* You want to go home and rethink your life.
"I will do what I must."
*ten seconds later*
I will now do mental gymnastics and go full Batman and not kill anyone, which has nothing to do with Jedi lore or teachings. Fully prepared to fight to the death.
You just proved you know nothing about Star Wars. Jedi aren’t supposed to kill unarmed people. MULTIPLE examples are in Ep 3.
@@oXRaptorzXo I'm sure Kenobi can just take Vader to Coruscant to be charged with crimes... Oh wait, the Empire is in control. Maybe you forgot to notice that they had no other choice left at the end of that same Ep 3.
@@MsGhoulz 1. It’s still not the Jedi way, but I do get your point.
2. Would you be able to kill your brother, even if he went crazy?
@@oXRaptorzXo You are forgetting that 10 years have passed and he had already resolved himself that either he or Vader would die that day. He even got straight told by Vader that Vader killed Anakin and all Obi-Wan was fighting was Vader. This is not a repeat of the EP3 fight where he was going to try to save Anakin. This was a kill Vader or have the blood of countless innocents on your hands for your failure kind of fight.
But since Vader kills Obi-Wan in A New Hope Obi-Wan cannot do the logical thing, or the thing he had prepared himself for. So they literally have to pass the stupid ball to Obi-Wan and have him act out of character. Which goes to show the fight should never have happened the way it did because there was no way either could be allowed to win and it would need bullshit to attempt to bridge the plot hole the fight will create.
If it was a Dark Side Cave vision battle then it would not be an issue, because the fight would have no major impact on the canon. Instead they wrote themselves into a corner they cannot get out of.
@@TankHunter678 still. Just because he made up his mind before doesn’t mean he will be able to kill his brother. Would you be able to?
It's VERY clear that in Disney's eyes it's the original trilogy that is no longer canon.
Expect an episode 4-6 remake in 10 years.
@@MrAdamloring1985 and it’s gonna be shit compared to The sequel trilogy
@@MrAdamloring1985 I hope it will happen sooner
@@MrAdamloring1985 I would be happy if they did that but it was exactly the same, shot for shot, line for line, just with updated visuals and sound quality
I always knew that the Disney purchase would dishonor the Prequel Trilogy; I just never knew how much worse the Original Trilogy would be treated.
This story was rewritten 4 times. Reva was forced in by Kennedy. Many people feel she shoulda just had her own show if Kennnedy wanted her so bad. Because she has no purpose in Kenobi.
I heard someone say this would have worked spectacularly had this been a force vision but that would give Disney too much credit and originality cause it's really sad when they run out of stuff to rip off so they rip off their own stuff and make it worse on rewatch
There’s a line in the credits that states that this is “Based on Star Wars, by Lucas.” So even they claim that this isn’t Star Wars.
It is poor fan fiction
So now traveling from planet to planet is like driving across town I guess.
It already was once this whole mess of Disney Star Wars started. In Force Awakens you can see, from a different planet, in a different star system, four planets being blown up. Four planets that are shown to be close to each other, so close in fact, that they would impact each other due to gravity.
@@Schnittertm1 true. But that’s JJ Abrahams. Remember Spock was stranded in a planet so close to Vulcan, he could see it be destroyed.
Qui Gon Jinn be like: The Jedi cremated my body without my permission but I just took a breather when Maul Shanked me like Reeva (twice)/ The Grand Inquisitor 🙃
Turns out Maul didn’t kill Qui Gon, he just was needing a rest to heal. The other Jedi just didn’t like him and decided to finish him off. 😅
@@rainbowmoon1461 Then Anakin and Reva are right about the Jedi, they're zealots.
The original movie was set in a time where the Jedi were long since forgotten about, especially in the outer rim. Obi-wan should have been much younger in the first movie "I haven't gone by the name Obi-Wan since before you (Luke) were born". You can have Obi and Owen discuss Luke and even Luke meeting Obi, but as Ben. Just a horrible mess.
Also, they didn't want the EU because then they would have to pay royalties to the original authors. It was easier to steal their ideas and mess them up.
Yes, it seems Disney wants to remake the Original Trilogy in their own image...
@@TaedarVulpine that's the worse case scenario... i don't want to believed it but looks like its going to be inevitable.
HOW he let him live changed due to a Kathaleen Kennedy "re-write" in the script. Originally, it was written that he would hear Qui Gon's voice, which would spur him out from under the rocks, then, just before striking the kill shot, Qui Gon would stop him again, and tell him that he must live, its the will of the force, and that all the light wasnt gone from him, making Obi Wan reluctantly leave. While I would have had to see it to pass judgement, after I read this I thought it miles above what they actually did. But you know, its all about Leia, who is competent and multi-skilled, and collected. Its not about that "boy" who was just a clumsy oaf who runs and falls and knocks himself out....
Gotta push the "message". Girl power and all.
I disagree with the idea of Obi-Wan being able to overpower Darth Vader. If he could, then he is the pinnacle example of dereliction of duty. For over a decade, he could have gotten of his hands, sought out Vader - who would have fought him alone - and killed him.
Luke or Leia were the only ones powerful enough to kill the Sith Lords after Yoda lost his lightsaber and Obi-Wan didn’t utilize his one lucky opportunity.
Obi literally walked away from Vader on musta but ok ...
@@examiningkubrickphilosofia1530 Obi-Wan walked away from a triple amputee who was burning to death. The Jedi Code prevented Obi-Wan from delivering a final lightsaber strike to such a helpless opponent, and even the Emperor was surprised to find Vader still alive.
Dereliction of duty??? Goddamn y'all are pulling out some big words to justify this outrage.
Obi-wan's duty was to protect Luke. What good would it have done if he had died fighting Vader, OR if he had succeeded in killing him, only to turn the entire Empire's sights on him for killing DARTH FUCKING VADER?
@@Frankthegb So leaving the Emperor’s most powerful apprentice and the Sith Lord that Obi-Wan left to die ten years ago and would later train Luke to kill makes sense to you? Who’s doing what to justify things again?
@@Frankthegb Then he'd already derelicted his duty by abandoning his duty to protect luke.
Anyone notice Reeva is the Angry Black Woman? She's a stereotypical character rather than a real character.
This is true but not entirely a bad thing
@@DarrylErickson how so?
The saddest thing about Disney owning star wars is the fact that when I see older stuff about star wars or moments that feel like og star wars I do get genuinely excited and invested in the story and characters but then I see everything that star wars is now and where its going and how genuinely uninteresting and stupid most Disney stuff is and I just feel apathetic because I know it'll never be as good as it once was
I respect Disney Star Wars. Disney doesn't even bother anymore to make anything new or creative or even good, because the fans will watch it anyway.
@@reek4062 yeah in a lot of cases but I personally haven't touched anything Disney star wars since last jedi
@@afilthy6digit839 you really should watch some of it. Atleast mando s1 and 2, cw s7, rogue one (if you haven’t seen it), and this show. Give this show a chance atleast just for the last couple episodes.
@@oXRaptorzXo I have watched s7 of the clone wars and it was a genuinely amazing cap off to one if my favourite childhood shows and one of my all time favourites overall, I've also seen rouge one amd definitely enjoyed that I think it was the last truly good star wars movie to come out but my problem is that with the direction the main line stuff has gone I just can't find it in me to care about anything star wars anymore and I do genuinely hope I can take back that statement someday because seeing such a massive part of my childhood fall apart like that is just depressing
@@afilthy6digit839 that’s sad to hear. I hope you do give atleast this and mando a chance, because I do think they are both good Star Wars content. Mando is self explanatory, but Kenobi is more of a mixed bag. Both sides of the story overreact. It’s not perfect, and it’s not terrible. The thing is all the obiwan stuff and the Vader stuff is perfect, and the reva stuff and Leia stuff is mid. Give it a shot because the last 2 episodes are amazing
I feel that the reason people are upset about Obi-Wan showing how powerful he is is because for the whole season he was struggling and then boom got all his power back.
Not only that, but it just.. doesn't work. Obi-Wan becomes a fucking telekinetic God on the level of Kira Yamato in the last episode for no reason. We've never seen Obi-Wan (or really anyone besides Anakin in the Clone Wars show, Palpatine at the end of Rise Of Skywalker, and Rey that one time) have this much power in the Force, like, ever.
Plus, Obi-Wan's supposed to be the "prime example of a Jedi", and clearly all that adherence to the Jedi Code means absolutely nothing, because the INSTANT the man draws on his emotions, he becomes more powerful than Darth Vader. Not to mention the majority of these emotions are about protecting Leia, which is not only not his problem to deal with, but weird as shit. It would have been weird if we saw scenes of Luke, too, honestly, especially if all he did was just sit on a cliff watching him with some binoculars.
If they at least went the route of Obi-Wan somewhat helping out around the Lars homestead sometimes, maybe even dueling A'Sharad or dealing with the Tuskens, it might be a cool thing where Obi-Wan is conflicted because "Oh, I know that's Luke's father, but I've also been sort of helping raise Luke and I need to protect the boy that I'm raising that represents the last good thing left of Anakin", but no, that requires too much brainpower for the writers at Disney.
There's also the fact that there is absolutely no way he should be able to beat Darth Vader by straight up overpowering him.
Not only is Vader STRONGER than he used to be (it legitimately says on his Wookiepedia page that he is much stronger physically as a mutilated cyborg than he was as an ordinary man, courtesy of his suit's powerful cybernetic enhancements/powered prosthetics AND his ability to use the Force to boost himself further), but it does Obi-Wan a disservice because that's not how he fights.
There's a reason he's considered THE master of Saber Form 3: Soresu, the most DEFENSIVE-oriented lightsaber stance there is. He's almost never won his fights by outpowering his foes, and the one time he tried that against Darth Maul in *Phantom Menace,* he nearly died for it and had to rely on a surprise attack to beat him.
In all of his subsequent fights in the movies, like Grievous on Utapau and Vader on Mustafar, he's played defence for the whole fight and waited for his opponent to slip up and make a mistake he can exploit, which Vader did when he tried to jump over Obi-Wan and got his limbs cut off for it.
Obi-Wan outpowering Vader is just straight-up not happening, especially considering that Vader going against Obi is perhaps the best opportunity he has to juice himself even further on Dark Side power, because he despises hold Master more than practically anyone else, save for maybe Palpatine, so he'll have a LOT of hatred to draw on in that fight.
And yeah, as other commenters have mentioned, he's pulling off shit with the Force that YODA, someone definitively his superior when it comes to Force affinity, would greatly struggle with doing or outright just fail at. Look at how much effort it takes him to move those small bits of debris or that pillar in the climax of *Attack Of the Clones.* No way Obi-Wan can just effortlessly levitate and throw all those boulders the way he did.
@@rookiedrifter4273 wrong. Obiwans master always criticized the Jedi way, because they blocked out emotions. You know how the dark side draws on anger? Well the light side draws on love. The Jedi way is not the light side
@@oXRaptorzXo Finally, someone gets it! The Jedi in the prequels were horribly stagnant and even corrupt, that was the point - that's why they need to be destroyed by the Chosen One, they're beyond the point where they could simply be reformed.
"Then my friend is truly dead."
I understand Obi wan is heavily grieving in that moment, but that line feels off. Shouldn't that have shown his resolve in finishing off Vader? If Anakin is dead, you are not killing him, just the monster that's left.
Let me reframe that line. "Then my father is truly dead."... the writers think they are cute with this. -_-
Also yes. This esentaly makes Obi Wan responsible for all the death that happened by Vaders hand after that point.
@@richardduska1558 Wow I didn’t even catch that! They really are nostalgia baiting so hard that they ripped off their own franchise…
@@SpaceGoat3126 Yep.
@@richardduska1558 I caught that upon first viewing.
All I can say is, thank the Force that this is over. This writing was some of the most horrific I've ever seen. Even Hayden and Ewan couldn't save this turkey.
Obi wan already knew vader was alive. Its the whole point of hiding the twins. The writer admitted he didn't watch the films. He asked hidalgo
If you want to f*ck up continuity, just ask hidalgo for canon advice.
Reeva's plot armour is strong
Her melanin level is over 9,000
Not even Master Yoda has a melanin count that high!
Edit: Why am I telling this to a Gillette razor?
I don't know if there's A God but if it there's one-Please don't let Disney touch the Old Republic era.
Dear God please don't allow a corporation to misuse this piece of child's entertainment that I really, really, really like please.
@@LoneWolf-xe6ye ah yes because a franchise that has both very complex characters and dark elements is just for kids.
@@grimskeeter yes invoking God for the purpose of entertainment is appropriate
@@grimskeeter the darkest star wars movie is pg 13 so yes by definition it is for children
@@LoneWolf-xe6ye 1. Not everyone has the same religious beliefs as you. So if he wants to “invoke” god then let him sort that out. 2. Pg-13 means kids aren’t advised to watch without parental guidance. Plus I wasn’t only talking about the movies. The shows and games have have the exact same thing too.
The reason Reva is here for her 180o heal turn for no good reason.
Just Some Guy no one watches/reads anything anymore. Just look at Amazon's rings of power
Six movies make up the story of Star Wars for me. I sleep well with no frustration or anger.
15:40 Pretty much how I felt after the third episode of this series. “Let’s just get this over with. “
This whole *beeping* show could have been told/shown has a PTSD induced Night terror from Obi's point of view.
Didn’t George Lucas say Kenobi wasn’t all that strong in the force and that he instead made up for it with subversive tactics?
Also Vader even as a burnt torso is still more powerful in the force that kenobi that literally the only reason palpatine bother to save him because it could have taken years to find anyone as powerful as Vader even in his current state.
George also had Anakin say a line about Obi-Wan in the prequels, which I have to paraphrase and went something like this: "He is as wise as Master Yoda and as powerful as Master Windu." So, even George, at least by the time of the prequels, wasn't too sold on Obi-Wan being weak in the force. Anakin should still be stronger on a raw power level.
Pretty sure The Maker never said anything like that.
From what I understand, Obi Wan isn't weak in the force, but Anakin is WAY more powerful (he is the chosen one), so Obi Wan made up for it in lightsaber combat and strategy.
I've just given up on Star Wars to be honest, some new canon stuff is nice, but I'll gladly stick to the expanded universe with the pre-disney mandolorians.
Vode An brothers.
@@cypherdastro8105 You're correct. Obi-Wan was very high-tier in terms of Force power, it's just that people like Anakin were even higher.
The line was not that he isn't strong in the force, it's that he isn't AS strong (as Anakin) in the Force.
A better plot would’ve been Obi-Wan traveling to different Force-heavy locations and learning to become a force ghost. You could’ve still had the duel with Obi-Wan and Vader, but it would’ve been in a vision, and Obi-Wan could’ve moved on that way.
That would have been awful. The Force, force ghosts and Jedi are uninteresting if they're the focus of the story. It's better for them to be in the background and remain somewhat mysterious.
@@reek4062 would’ve been a whole lot better than the bullshit that we got. If you want a show where Jedi aren’t the focus, then I doubt you would’ve liked Obi-Wan regardless of its plot, since him being a Jedi automatically means that Jedi are the center to the story.
@@Anchor-Supreme I liked it because it's character focused
Idk I really liked the “I didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker..I did” line. It’s one of the few things they did right. Yoda even says this in Revenge of the Sith. “Gone the boy you trained, consumed by Darth Vader”. Besides that, spot on review.
It would've been so much better if Vader said
"I am not your failure. I'm your only success."
THAT would be scathing.
The final duel with Ben-Kenobi and Maul is already enough for me to know where kenobi has been while darth vader going on a massive killing spree.
I see that the Lighting Department from Game of Thrones Season 8 got a new job.
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at my work we have virtual meetings three times a week and on friday a bunch of my coworkers were praising the kenobi show and i just wanted to burst out laughing.
What you've failed to understand: SHE'S AWESOME!
Just being a female character in Disnuts Social Wars means that she's just awesome.
All of her sins are because of the "patriarchy" or something, and she overcomes her past by simply being awesome.
It works for her, because she's on the right side of history, or the Force, or whatever.
because the force is female don't forget
Best thing in the show for me were Ewan McGregor, Hayden Christensen, James Earl Jones and clone troopers in actual costume.
@@No-One-of-Consequence that's disappointing
Bro, did he just say “Get in here and kill this Nigga!” ? I wasn’t ready…
One thing I was thinking of when I watched the end of the Kenobi/Vader fight and Kenobi leaves Vader alive, is that they could have easily solved that by maybe having a battalion of stormtroopers show up to help Vader and Kenobi runs off to save himself, or a group of Rebels or "The Path" or whatever it is they call themselves showing up to help Kenobi escape with some cover fire or something. Instead of just having Kenobi just casually saunter off, leaving Vader to go on to commit many more atrocities. You know, if the writers actually _thought_ about things beforehand.
I’m glad you aren’t the writer then. Vader specifically said he was going alone, and that shuttle is also very small. Kenobi went alone also to lure the empire away from the rebels. The rebels wouldn’t have gone back lol
When the final story of humanity is written - this will be the dark period of Star Wars. Great video.
I was thinking Reva’s whole character arc makes more sense if she’s some kind of droid, albeit one more in line with Ghost in the Shell or Terminator than Star Wars. She wouldn’t die from a lightsaber wound because that’s not actually where her vitals are. Darth Vader wouldn’t realize he hadn’t killed her either time because force users have trouble with reading droids. It also explains why she makes the logical leap from “I’m so sad my Jedi school friends were killed in front of me” to “I’m going to kill every Jedi I find including kids and keep their bodies in my trophy room” - this is what she was built for, probably a Sith weapon to infiltrate the Jedi temple and surreptitiously kill younglings, it’s just that in Reva’s case Anakin got there first.
If Vader had trouble reading Reva while alive (no difference between a 'dead' or a 'living' droid) that would make him suspicious by itself. It's hard to pretend to be a Dark Sider when you quite literally don't exist in the Force. Vader would have picked up on that in one of his Inquisitors.
Also, why would she turn on Vader then? "Statement: You interfere with my primary directives. I cannot allow this to continue." I don't think that works.
Book of Boba Fett already gave us someone with a cybernetic midriff. Prosthetics are normal in Star Wars. Reva got shot/stabbed (whatever), played dead, and fled into the Underworld of Coruscant where some prosthetics dealer took pity and installed a durasteel liver.
Still contrived but sure, why not.
“Before anyone bitches” at 10:19
Oh I’m gonna bitch about it. Because Kenobi hasn’t been strong enough to raise up a boulder this whole series. Now after getting his ass kicked a bit he’s just one with the force again? He got Gary Stu’d and it didn’t look good.
Vader could have just went in his fighter to catch them, shit makes no god damn sense
they could have flown the tie fighters to mordor.
probably.
I was thinking that too, but why didn’t Vader just take his tie in ROTJ then? Or maybe he just didn’t have his tie at this time.
You nailed it, bro. I love how you say “get back in there and kill dis n*gga!” Used the word in the right context at the right time! Long live the lingo!
Owen and Beru are way too calm seeing Reva holding unconscious Luke back, they should be snaching him away from her and beating her up.
Also, wouldn't Luke have some memories of Reva raiding his house?
*Luke* : Hey Master Kenobi, ten years ago I have vague memories of some angry black lady chasing me through the desert, do you have any idea what that was about?
@@No-One-of-Consequence yeah like obi forgot to talk about Vader being Luke s dad lol
19:35 to 19:58. perfect summary, for all who don't care much for watching the series, but want an apt synopsis.
Kenobi the series is the real "gaping wound"
I just wish Favreau made this series
@@DarrylErickson you put too much faith in that guy.
11:50 " And when Luke confronted him, Obi said this: "
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At the end of the day, I feel like Reva was completely unnecessary to the story. You could have cut her out entirely and had Vader been the one doing everything she was doing. The focus should have been on those two the entire time and If this was just a movie and we had way more Ewan and Hayden I think the praise would be unreal, Ewan and Hayden did amazing and I'm just grateful that they returned and for their performances.
It’s all about family, and that’s what’s so powerful about it.
Vader is more powerful than Obi Wan, Obi was over powered. Based on the story plot, Obi should be compared to his fight in Ep3 where Anakin gave him the toughest fight in his life despite Anakin being conflicted, not fighting like he usually would, and being near insane. Obi's advantages are he & Anakin know each other's fighting style very well, he's literally the best in defense fighting. Story would have made more sense if Obi broke the mask, gave a scar, than faked his death.
idk, seemed like Grievous gave Obi Wan a harder fight than Anakin. he had to resort to a blaster, were in the Anakin fight he didn't seem like he was running/being pushed back because of a lack of skill, he just didn't want to kill anakin. I'd say Obi was more conflicted, Anakin had already strangled padme at this point.
@@Born_Stellar Obi Wan only started losing to Grievous when he had to chase him during which he lost his lightsaber, same thing happened in Ep 2 with Jango Fett. In the fight with Anakin, Anakin spent the majority of the fight pushing Obi Wan back, we saw Anakin cry about what he had done before meeting/strangling Padme, and he was kinda crazy during the fight and I would say while both Anakin and Obi Wan would have inner conflict, i think you're a bit less conflicted in trying to stay alive than trying to kill someone. Ether way, that wouldn't be an issue afterwards with Darth Vader since he out right hates Obi Wan after Ep 3, far more connected in the Dark Side than he was during his Ep 3 Obi Wan fight (you even see his eyes change to sith eyes when killing the last of the separatists, they go back to normal afterwards and don't turn into Sith eyes again until he's lost the fight before he burns.) and he's had roughly a decade to get used to his suit, where according to the show Obi Wan hasn't been training with him in the show slowly getting his power back. As well as Obi Wan was the best in defense fighting. In the novels Count Dooku notes this in his last fight and Mace called him not a Master, but The Master in the form he uses.
Yeah anyone who thinks Obi-Wan can lift several tons of rocks clearly has not actually seen that much of the series. Dude could barely force pull the remote to him from across the room.
His fight vs Anakin on Mustafar is an outlier backed by knowing the man deeply and it’s absolutely not something he’d be able to replicate on the fly vs Vader, who has a much different fighting style and is much more likely to just toss him into space with the force.
@@SHEANGOMES Well he could lift that much weight and others less powerful than him could too, but those would be novels, comics, video games which the films wouldn't be able to capture and I wouldn't blame them. But seeing him lift all those rocks by just will alone, not even hand movements, I swear I thought I was watching Rey fighting Vader.
@@TheHulkbuster13 Absolutely agree Yoda was one of the most powerful force user - definitely stronger in the force then Kenobi - and he with effort lift x-wing ...and here we got Ray Kenobi.... :(
Just listening to him rattle off the ISD's specs @2:12 gave me joy.
True fans are still out there.
2:10 ALL THE GEEK AND ALL OF THIS!!!!
you forget that palpatine put the most important parts of vader's suit outside was to make him weak. palpatine made his suit suck on purpose
So, i’ve finished the show. I have some notes… First of all, Liam Neeson didn’t even try to hide his accent. I liked Hayden Christensen returning - it’s his role, anointed by Lucas himself. He sure beats Darth Lurch from Rogue One. I liked that actor Joel Edgerton returned as well. For the sparring duel flashback, why would they go farther back than they needed to? Set it around Ep. III. I see a lot of wasted potential, but fuck it. Hollywood’s circling the drain.
Absolutely agree on the EU. The stories were amazing and somehow, despite being from a multitude of creators, managed to keep more consistency in their lore than Disney has managed with their dedicated "story group". They literally have stories written and ready to go. I'd pay good money to see Darth Bane brought to a live action show.
@The Cambot assuming they were faithful to the source material, and this was an alternate reality where Disney star wars was...you know, good, then yeah. As things stand though, maybe you're right, maybe it's for the best.
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Man am I glad I haven't seen a single minute of this.
didn't Kenobi also become one with the light side for a moment when he and Anakin were fighting Dooku, trying to rescue Palpatine?
Watching him re-embrace his role in the force and "stretch his legs" was awesome.
And then he walked away from Vader. Again.
it's obvious Joby doesn't care about Star Wars and just wants to play with the action figures.
Oh my God, I love your commentary, the description of what's on a star destroyer is awesome. Love you man. Keep it up.
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The amount of shit with all of theses good actors and probably a good amount of money is really unbelievable. I really fear what we'll get for Ahsoka, even if I trust a lot more Dave Filloni than disney.
Only thing I disagree with: Obi Wan is NOT that powerful, when it comes to the force. He's one of the best duelists, yes, but exactly because he compensate his lack of raw power with training. The one who should be tossing rocks around is Vader. It's like Disney swapped their fighting styles.
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S*** in all honesty it feels like Riva is Disney and Luke is just Luke man Disney's really just trying to get after this guy for no reason they just want to destroy his legacy and destroy everything Luke stands for as a man
It just blows my mind that they bit probably the best thing Disney Star Wars made with that Ahsoka vs Vader fight for the finale of the OBI WAN SHOW
It sounds like another story that just wants to make cool things happen without any thought as to why it's happening or how it affects the rest of the franchise.
"Increase firepower."
-Darth Vader
That reminds me of Episode 200 of SG-1.
"Why aren't the weapons already at maximum?"
"It doesn't matter. Audiences LOVE 'weapons at maximum."
you know you're f****** up stuff when even IGN is criticizing your stuff and saying it doesn't make sense with the storyline and stuff
The writer didn't watch the OT. He didn't even bother with the prequels. He asked Pablo Hidalgo about it.
The conclusion of every episode left me thinking, "How is it over already? Not enough happened!" There was not much substance in any episode, and while I did look forward to the next, this series as a whole has no re-watch value, the way, say, the Clone Wars series has.
I certainly am looking forward to Ahsoka, but I cannot help feeling that it shall similarly be a product of poor execution.
Again, JSG breaks it down better than anyone else. Nuff said.
Very good. I have a hard time understanding how or even why anyone with an ounce of rationality would attempt to call this nonsense "good".
If watching this kind of crap is a guilty pleasure or even if you really actually enjoy it, fair enough. Unlike the people who made it I don't have a problem with others not sharing my taste. But why defend the indefensible? If you're a paying customer you've seen it and Disney won't thank you, they already have your money. If you are Disney you know you can't polish a turd, but you can get visibly spattered with poo trying.
PS: An additional point.
It was established, a long time ago in a galaxy increasingly far away, that hyperspace is no insta-jump. It takes hours to travel from one planet to another even through hyperspace. This alone makes Jake Kenobi's trip from planet 'who gives a fuck' to finally get round to rescuing Luke on Tatooine idiotically and impossibly fast... never mind time to orbit, come in through the atmosphere, land, find the means to travel to Luke, find him... and so on. It's all utter bull.
Disney intended Riva to die by Vader. After the massive viewership, they reshot her ending scenes to keep her as a potential character for season 2. So yeah, it makes no sense. But it’s because they in effect took a left turn not expecting a season 2.
They could have used the dark horse comics Tail of the Jedi series. That takes place before the knights of the old republic games.
Edit. It also has a strong female character Jedi who starts training after her husband's murdered. Naomi Sunrider.
Your script/plot for Reva being redeemed by killing the Grand Inquisitor before he could kill Luke was a GREAT idea. Sooo much better than what we got. Just have to find a way to prevent Luke from seeing a pretty damn good lightsaber fight. Disney seems to have a rule about retconning; they will retcon events that solely involve dialogue and claim that some ambiguity exists even if it doesn't. But the little logical details that preserve the suspension of disbelief--Leia not having a tighter bond with Ben as an adult, Vader not being able to sense Ben's secret about Luke & Leia while they fought not once but twice ("your thoughts betray you?"), Leia shedding no tears for Ben after his demise, Bail Organa's connections to the Jedi and the Rebellion being an open secret--all these cause issues with the established story. There's just a lack of good stewardship that Disney has with Kenobi and SW in general....
I must have missed something in the show because I haven't seen anyone mention it.
Wouldn't Reva find it mildly humourous that the guy she was harassing in episode one also happens to be the guy she's fighting here? Just a line like "I should have killed you when I had the chance" or some other refurbished line.
In Lea’s defense, by the time she see’s Obi’s death, she’s already seen her entire planet and everyone she knew and loved there completely blown up by the Death Star. She is on a much bigger mission and is smart enough to know getting killed there would be of zero use. She had her wits about her while Luke is acting like a baby over a guy he barely knows. That’s what goes down in the original movie. Lea has really always been the biggest badass of all of them. Right from A New Hope.
The "you didn't kill Anakin, I did" quote is not as bad as you make it sound, it's him admitting he fell to the dark side because of his own choices (which were manipulated by Palpatine, but whatever), and Obi-Wan just walking off instead of finishing him was obviously done because of the OG trilogy, but let's also keep in mind that he's still his best friend and brother-like figure, and it would be incredibly stupid and out of touch if he was like "Yeah you're done son" and kill him seconds after that emotional moment. Hell, even when they face off at the death star on A New Hope he is not there to kill Vader, and we could say he still doesn't have the heart and mind to do so.
Honestly I think this serie was padded and Reva was their main tool for that; it really bothers me how she accomplished nothing and when you think about it, she could easily be replaced by any other inquisitor on the story, with small touches like changing their reason for hunting Vader to "I just want to take his place", which is pretty in touch with the sith.
No the line was shit. Especially that god awful delivery
Before anyone asks, I had nothing to do with Reva being an Inquisitor. That was all Vader's thing. He is quite the contradictory fellow at times. He hates it when someone knows his true identity yet he kept her alive because... Reasons?
No. Obi-wan Kenobi was never this powerful in the Force. This is beyond Yoda powerful. Look, I think he's a great character and I get it--when we love a character, we want them to "be the best" at whatever it is they do or what they are. Kenobi has NEVER been as powerful as Vader or Yoda or Palpatine because...then what was the point of the original trilogy?
Back when this story made sense, you had Anakin, the Chosen One, vs. Luke, his son. Why? Because Luke was the only one capable of taking Vader out. Simple. The Emperor killed 10,000 Jedi without batting an eye--he never found Kenobi or Yoda, and his reaction--, "oh, well." But in ESB, the Emperor believed Luke was a threat--not the 10,000 Jedi or Kenobi or Yoda. Luke. Then he decides to recruit him, and now you have two Sith secretly waging a war--Vader wanting Luke to overthrow the Emperor and the Emperor wanting Luke to replace Vader.
"The Emperor knew, as I did, that if Anakin were to have any offspring, they'd be a threat to him."--Kenobi quote. Kenobi believed 100% that Anakin was gone; he and Yoda didn't send Luke to face Vader BECAUSE he was his son--they did it IN SPITE OF IT. Of all the people you send to kill someone, the last would be the man's child. But they did it, because Luke was the only one capable to matching Vader.
Despite all that, we never see any Jedi in the OT or PT do anything close to what Kenobi did in this stupid series. Yoda picked up an X-wing and a respulsorpod in the Senate Hall, and it was done with adamant concentration. Here, Kenobi pelted 50 X-wing's worth of boulders at Vader without any strain. Thanks, Rey.
The reason I liked Kenobi so much in the OT/PT is because he used his brains. It wasn't about swinging his dick around; he was smart. He used Anakin's own personality flaws against him--the ENTIRE ROTS fight, Anakin is dominating Kenobi. But Kenobi refuses to die; he manages to hold on, and Anakin gets arrogant, impatient and reckless, and Kenobi sees his opening. Anakin leaps, and Kenobi slices him down. Despite all my complaints about dialogue, this fight was smart and consistent with the characters.
This OP moment in this series is there because the writers can't think of anything clever; it's to satisfy that "power fantasy" we have, even if it doesn't make sense with everything we've seen before. Kenobi wasn't the greatest because he was the strongest--he was the greatest because he knew how to fight despite not being the strongest. This...this reduces his character, not improves upon it.
Its amazing how much better the old films look in comparison to the new shows. Maybe the lightsabers look better now but thats about it.
Like I’ve legitimately red better crossover FanFiction’s
When it comes to characters entering a conflict I always remember the phrase 'hope for the best, but plan for the worst'. Disney's writers throw that phrase right out of the air locks. The way the protagonists plan and survive most of the conflicts rely on so many contrivances and fortunate happen stances it's as though they're banking on the idea that their adversaries will act in a manner befitting A mentally inept Panda Bear.
If this is what they're going to say is canon, then I fear for the originals.
With what little hope I have left for Star Wars, I HOPE this series isn't an excuse for Disney to remake the OT, but with Kenobi, I won't surprised if they do.
I hope Disney will remake the OT; I can't wait for all the angry fanboys whining aboot it.
I would actually be happy if they remade the originals EXACTLY, shot for shot, line for line, except with updated effects and quality etc.
Holy shit...Luke sees Reva's lightsaber...making the moment when Obi-Wan hands him Anakin's saber in ANH completely pointless. "This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight" "Yeah, jackass I already saw one like 9 years ago". This shit just gets worse...