Obi Wan Kenobi Being Devoid of Logic
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2024
- An analysis/video essay taking a look at the most stupid/devoid of logic aspects in Obi-Wan Kenobi.
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Timestamps:
Reva the Third Sister (0:00)
Obi Wan and Vader's first encounter (5:13)
Infiltration of Fortress Inquisitorious (8:20)
Rebel Outpost Defense (12:31)
Princess Leia (15:41)
Finale (17:55) 
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Kenobi is the best representation of “we’re just going to use the name and actors to sell the show and not put much work into the writing and make our money there”
It's also because Disney Execs panicked when the show was initially too dark in pre-production so they hired Joby Harold (writer of Army of the Dead) to do re-writes. “We’re looking, ultimately, to make a hopeful, uplifting story,” said Kennedy. So the fact that they didn't trust the original vision of the creative team makes me very upset and I'm not surprised with what we ended up getting. And it's also not a coincidence that I made a Devoid of Logic video on Army of the Dead too lol.
@@SupercutsDelight I saw the red flags once it was made into a tv show and when production got canceled in January 2020 because Kathleen Kennedy didn’t like the writing because of how similar it was to the mandolorian so yea, they learned the hard way AGAIN by not having a plan, I mean they could’ve used the novels but I think they don’t even know those existed, I mean Kennedy did say it herself which made me very upset and wish she wasn’t in charge of Lucasfilm because it’s clear she doesn’t know what to do.
@@SupercutsDelight Rogue One is one of the best modern Star Wars, that was a grittier tale of sacrifice. The rebels gave up a lot to have just a chance at beating the star destroyer, it was a heavy movie, which made it so good... But you know, that Jar Jar guy was a lot of fun, Star Wars should def be more like that then Rogue One.
And it sells... It shouldn't suprise me anymore...
@@SirCanuckelhead star wars was never heavy, it was supposed to be hopeful and uplifting, but disney doesnt understand the concepts of good story telling, mythology, world building, and good characters, visual and soundtrack.
All of this made the first 6 movies great and even Rogue One for the most part.
cant believe he didnt talk about Reva litteraly teleporting across the entire galaxy while having a lightsaber wound on a planet with few actual outposts.
Qui Gon out here like "why the fuck am I the only one to die from a saber wound?" At this point in star wars, you could have a character be atomized and fans would still be like "they'll be back."
For me, the scenes were just out of chronological order. The scene where she arrives at the water seller, does happen when Obi Wan senses that Luke is in danger. And in the hours that they weren't fixing the hyperdrive, she could go to the medical station and get patched up. At least this mess makes sense that way.
@@Jasmin-lg3gf nah, you can't excuse a lightsaber stab honestly, definetly with the duration of vader keeping his lightsaber in her
@@Smokey348 The good thing about lightsabers is that the wound doesn't bleed. So as long as it doesn't hit any organs without which you die quickly, Star Wars medicine can heal you. Rather amazing that the rebels had such a well equipped station down there.
The rehab in the next few months will still not be pleasant.
How else are you going to explain that she survived? She wasn't too angry to die.
@@Jasmin-lg3gf 100 percent it hit multiple organs and the saber literally would evaporated any organ it touches
that chase scene with Leia in the forest had my sides in orbit. just look at how they have to run to not immediately catch up! you can't even make that look convincing on set, homeboy is running like he crapped his pants lmao
💯😂
I've seen so many improbable escape scenes that my mind is a literal fortress from logic during most of them now but that.. that broke me. Like just take one decisive step and grab her dude. You won't even have to run..
Leia should have been introduced using these tiny tunnels she found while living there. It would have been a setup for 2 things. 1 Giving her a plausible means of escape from the goons. And avoid the Looney Tunes moment. 2, a little bit of a stretch. But when they talk about nobody being able to fit in the vents. She could have said shes used to crawling in tight spaces. But nah. Looney Tunes moment it is. FML.
the funniest part is they still catched her in the end, so that dumb scene was for nothing XD
My favorite was the "Grrr a tree branch in my way" goon.... like duck under ffs. Lol
The amount of times the writers used the “I have to go back, it’ll give you enough time to escape” plot line was hilariously high. The final two episodes had Obi Wan doing that.
I also loved how the Stardestroyer had just follow and later to choose between the small vessel and the little cruiser Obi Wan was on. As if there is werent Hundreds of Tie fighters on-board that would shred them to pieces within seconds
Episode 3 too. Obi-Wan stayed behind to face Vader, so Tala could take Leia home. At least that was the plan.
@@myrithoros2540
Was that the time where the droid gets destroyed?
The worse is when Reva has Obi-wan secured, surrounded by her troopers. She even says Vader is about to arive. And she decides to put him back in the rebel base. (Which was still not fully secured by now...)
This was 70s Batman style of villain logic. Let me put you in a situation where you can escape, Batman!
Also, why does every lightsaber fight happen in complete pitch black environments?! They’re all at night or someone always turns the lights off! Did the guy that directed the Long Night Battle visit them?!
This entire season is a never ending series of contrivances and plot holes, it's insane.
So? Isn't that what Star Wars fans like?
yes, if you dont pay attention on what you are watching.
@@reek4062 Of course you'd defend bad writing Reek
@@reek4062 no this show is shit
Thats what happens when u try to fill plotholes with DIVERSITY!!!
And I thought that after Mandalorian, Disney finally learned how to make Star Wars with proper respect. And they showed twice that they learned nothing.
I think the issues are more glaring with returning characters.
Mando suffers from a lot of the same issues on a writing level as the rest of Disney Star Wars, but the freshness of the concept & the show's relatively unique style distracts from them.
Mando has the best optics, which gave hope at a glance that things might be improving, but further scrutiny reveals the same litany of issues standard in Disney Star Wars (minus the more obvious, offensive issues of the ST).
With Kenobi & Boba, though, they couldn't even give the illusion of quality. The production values were beyond cheap & both shows seemed phonic of their titular character.
@@TheMemeRepository Maybe that's true. Actually what what be the biggest issue of Mandalorian?
We need clones of David Filoni
@@zachv465 the guy who in first place did butcher the previous role and don't care about continuity
@@TheMemeRepository well said
It’s funny how in a 20 min long video there isn’t enough time to list all the errors in the show. Just wow.
Longman bad
If you would ask questions like „where was the star destroyer when obi left the planet in the finale?“ etc. You would end ups with like 200 im sure
@@zachryder3150 I find your lack of length disturbing.
“That’s what she said”
Exponential cit
@@SturmtrupplerNr595 Exactly, but even more obvious like: “Why is Bail contacting obi wan if he fears him to be captured?”; “Why is Reva going to Tatooine to kill Luke?”
this video doesn't even scratch the surface. we could spend more than an hour per episode dissecting this because it has very serious issues
They really did Obi Wan dirty in this season. He refused to finish off Darth Vader, pretty much allowing the villain to live and snuff out more innocent lives and failed to protect Luke when that's the only job he was supposed to have because Reva had an out of nowhere change of heart; a redemption that was NOT earned.
Kenobi the series says it is, but it should have just been called Reva and Leia.
My head canon Obi Wan didnt finish off Vader because he could not kill Anakin, though thats a little bit contradictory since Obi wan kind of declares Anakin dead during his final confrotation and his final words towards Vader. But its the best I could came up with.
In regards to Reva I will just pretend she doesnt exist and that Vader killed her in the temple in that fight during episode 5.
the thing with kenobi not killing darth vader a second time .
They literally could have done something where they for example force push eachother and it makes a big shockwave at last part of the fight and they are both wounded and maybe even stormtrooper show up and kenobi flies away
Reva didnt changed her mind. She is a monster, but it was the first time she saw HERSELF before killing someone. Reva is the most important person to Reva.
It makes no sense. I thought it would be something like " I saw the light in him" or " I think he can be saved", but no the show even goes out of its way to explain he is aparently unrredemable.
This isn't about obi Wan, it's about Reva, except nobody would want Star Wars: Reva so they had to put obi wans name instead
Also, if you’re gonna do a prequel, give us some risks. We’re not afraid of anyone dying cause we know they all live. In Rogue One, we didn’t know if the main characters were going to survive. But outside of Reva, we knew that EVERYONE would be alive by the end of the show.
Imo, they should’ve killed Vader. That’d have thrown a wrench in everyone’s expectations. 🤣
@@PittsburghSonido At this point yes 😂
Or the inquisitor. Oh wait…
which is ironic beacuse even Reva survives, no risks whatsoever
I thought it was known Rogue One was a death mission, but it was their best and only chance at beating the death star.
Kenobi: biggest regret not killing Vader as he went on to kill loads more Jedi
Also kenobi: doesn’t kill him for a second time
We all know he was killed by Vader in A New Hope. I believe it was because Alec Guinness hated the character and wanted him killed off.
@@benjaminfrazier1039 has nothing to do with my point but ok
@@benjaminfrazier1039 What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
I'm just gonna pretend the whole series didn't happened.
Disney taking over was the worst thing to happen to starwars
help us george lucas .... you are our only hope!
WB would have honestly been the best fit tbh
@@bryane727 I would have said Fox since they worked with Star Wars before. Granted Fox is now absorbed into Disney
Mickey is malding
@@aesir1ases64 You all forgot that George Lucas sold Star Wars because of all the hate he got for making prequels. Today haters claim Disney destroyed their childhood because of sequel trilogy, 20 years ago same words were spoken about George.
This whole series felt like: "Let's put the coolest parts of the video games into a live-action show" and not much else.
Oh my god. You hit the nail on the head. Each episode being focused on one location and objective...basically an old Lego Star Wars game.
He literally does a barrel role when he's fighting Vader like it's a fallen order boss battle.
@@rayfriedrich5224 And lightsaber bounces of stormtroopers like in fallen order...
The music also was a massive disappointment for me. They put some of the old score in the last episode, but besides already existing music it was all entirely forgettable.
Music and star wars are inseparable, so having so little effort spend in de music department is just unforgivable. Even the fcking book of Boba fett had a more memorable score
After finishing the show, I tried to remember the overall theme for it and physically couldn't lol
@@SupercutsDelight listen to kenobis theme and the inquisitors (it might be revas) theme
@@SupercutsDelight it's so generic and forgettable like despite how terrible the booba feet show was at least it had a catchy tune
The theme song for Obi Wan is cool (it was made by John Williams btw) and the track that plays during the flashback duel in episode 5 is nice too, other than that it was a massive dissapointment (as have been all of disney star wars music). Like they teased us with Duel of the fates in the trailer man, why didnt we hear it in the show???
The most disappointing moment for me in this regard was when obi first saw vader in episode 3. It should be an epic emotional moment of a master seeing 10 years later what his former student/friend became, but the generic violin background noise made it feel like nothing was happening.
It's says something when Owen, a character barely touched upon, is one of my favorite characters in the show.
So much wasted potential...
Leia and a random inquisitor that nobody cares, has more prominence and screen time than the best character of the prequels.
agreed!
What show were you watching? Obi-wan was front and centre for the entire thing. We couldnt have Hayden front and centre for obvious reasons. Not to mentions villains like that are always better in moderation/
@@byghostlight0 Obi Wan wasn't front and centre. He was in the camera, yes, but the show wasn't about him when it's literally called KENOBI. It's us seeing leia getting captured and saved over and over again, and kenobi trying to stop an irrelevant character in reva who apparently knows everything.
@@jibriel4200 that doesnt sound like the show I was watching. All those savings werent about Leia, they were about Obi-wan. Each single time he had to save someone, it was about him not saving the Jedi at the start, each time he saved Leia or whoever it was about him discovering the force, his faith, his purpose, and turning to face his fear. Man some of you fans are thick. Go back and watch it, each time his reactions to those are the beats in which he rediscovers aspects of himself.
@@byghostlight0 No it wasn't lol you're just waffling out your a hole right now. Him saving leia twice magically allowed him to become a master of the force after not even being able to use it at the start? What faith did he discover? What purpose? What fear? There was no fear in saving Leia. Reva posed no fear. The only fear was Vader but he was hardly ever involved. Don't call us thick when you're the guy actually giving props to this joke of a show. Stop waffling and tell me what he discovers about himself. Stop watching Disney movies and try to watch actual quality stuff, maybe you're eyes will open and you won't blindly defend a pile of rubbish like this.
Fun fact about stormtroopers: in both legends and canon, they're meant to be elite shock troopers set apart from "regular" army troops. In most instances outside of what we see in movies and TV, they're generally deadly and widely feared. Hell, even old Ben comments on it in A New Hope.
Yeah they should just use regular army troops to show that stormtroopers are much more competent
@@seriousnesstv7902 Well, I can understand the empire deploying Stormtroopers to deal with high value targets like Jedi or rebel factions. I'd rather see them just shown... competently?
@@jakesmith5200 Rogue one the only movie we see stormtroopers kill anyone tbh, that’s why it’s such a perfect movie
@@seriousnesstv7902 And Andor!
All they had to do is not be stupid, it's really just that.
for disney that is pretty much impossible
that's the problem, if you're stupid, you can't actively not be stupid
Something that really bothers me:
Nowhere are patrol ships!
Like in The Empire Strikes Back, nearly every time you See something like a Star destroyer, there are in fact ships patrolling the area around because thats a FU*KING MILITARY STANDARD and its a highly effective device to prevent getting surpriseattacked.
That really upsets you LOL
@@josceola8979 its just one example of the many, MANYtimes my suspension of disbelief got broken because of the characters behaving like idiots
I know right? We have fortress inquisitorius for example one of the most fortified locations empire has as we saw in fallen order. We are shown that landing area has numerous tie fighters on stand by. We know that star destroyers have tie fighters on board. Where are they anywhere? The whole point of star destroyer is being a carrier ship with orbital bombardment and anti capital ship weaponry
@@danzansandeev6033 and then people will say that we are nitpicking although you could list like 200 dumb charakter decisions/plot holes/conveniences/....
@@SturmtrupplerNr595 exactly. Look I’m not nit picky person. I love some of the movies that are objectively kinda bad (hell take prequels for example). But when you can find plot hole, contrivance, inconsistencies in pretty much every 5 minutes, it just takes you out of the immersion. I wanted to love this show I really did. Obi wan is one of my most favorite characters in Star Wars. But this isn’t obi wan show. It’s leia/reva show.
The under the coat scene could've easily have been solved by the classic pushing of a covered trolley... it's a busy area with lots of cargo moving around, it wouldn't have looked unusual. Although for me personally some of the worst scenes will always be the chase Leia chase scenes. It just didn't make sense how full grown people couldn't catch someone that ran like a toddler and then the goofy branches etc completely stopping them in their tracks like they couldn't just go around or under them as well...
It genuinely feels like the person who made this series didn’t want to make it.
It absolutely felt like someone handed the reins to Deborah Chow and just said 'get it finished by ___ date'. She didn't give a fuck about Anakin or Obi-Wan imo
I can't understand how anyone could enjoy this garbage. Do people just not see blatantly obvious bad writing?
Thats why they'll give us more and more garbage. Now they'll bring back General Grievous to fight Obi in s2 lol.
It's star wars. Each movie has made less and less sense since return of the jedi
@@personb9034 The prequel trilogy is the most coherent one though.
@@usgpillarofark3980 the prequals had a good vision. That was were it shined. Nothing really more.
Just one more thing. Can we talk about them having a ship on board with a working hyperdrive?
Yes, there isn't much space there, but if you've ever seen how many people fit on an Asian train, then all the rebels would certainly have fit in there. In any case, it would have been better than certain death.
Kenobi letting Vader live is the dumbest writing decision ive ever seen
Specifically, Kenobi letting Vader live right after the script includes a line about Vader "killing Anakin"
Haven't watched the show but obviously Jedi don't like killing plus Vader was once a brother to him. I've seen much worse writing.
It was wild to me because Obi-Wan chose to let Vader live AFTER he's murdered probably millions at that point and was certainly going to murder more people after that encounter..... like Obi-Wan now shares fault for the destruction of Alderaan. Stupid asf
@@blueskybelyr The Jedi don't believe in executing prisoners no matter their crimes. We could argue on the merits of such a philosophy but that doesn't change the fact that's what the Jedi believe.
Vader also has nothing to do with the creation of the death star or the destruction of Alderaan. So I don't see how that makes Obi-Wan responsible.
@@albert4860 How is it "executing a prisoner" when he kills him in a 1v1 duel? He literally does the same exact thing to maul in Episode 1
Always imagined that you could generally swing in any direction and the light saber blade would essentially melt away any matter in its path.
Never understood how one could get stabbed with out the blade incinerating away flesh from the rest of your body when the blade either goes in or out?
They're probably trying to justify the writing in the sequel trilogy. It pretty much breaks the lore as I see it
yeah, they might as well be gloryfied glowsticks at this point. They burn at around 25000 degrees celsius, which is about 5x the heat of the surface of the sun. And the amount of time it is left inside of revas body, should absolutely demolish all the organs that surround the lightsaber.. truly a shame
what about the temp too? she would have boiled surely
"Stabbing" with a light saber is a little weird anyway, isn't it? When it takes no amount of force to just slice a person in half instead. Why limit the amount of damage you inflict unnecessarily?
@@mcgeiler3915 then again if we want to be scientifically accurate lightsabers would kill the user too by boiling their blood just by being in close proximity. What makes the scene stupid is that someone would be perfectly fine after being pierced throughout the abdomen without any medical attention on top of that and then would go around chasing random infants (under the mysterious yet accurate assumption that said infant is the son of your mortal enemy)…
7:39 If we had to bring every single situatuion similar to this one, where Force User could done something but he didn't (because of plot armor) we could have an hour long video or even longer.
This show had a budget of hundreds of millions of dollars. And they couldn't write a better script? The thing about Reva teleporting in the tunnel and ending up ahead of Leia will always baffle me.
I assume there are no competent writers left willing to work under the ridiculous constraints of Disney/Cathleen 😥
Budget was $90 million. Still not an excuse for the writing.
Teleport? Gosh some fans are simply. And THEY are the ones complaining about bad writing. Its pretty damn clear how she got there. But that would require thinking
@@byghostlight0 Explain it then. Leia goes down the tunnel through the hidden entrance in the shop. Reva discovers the same entrance and starts following after Leia. But then R is in front of L. And it's not even shown that there's other entrances. That is bad writing.
@@byghostlight0 it's not my job as the viewer to fill plot holes made by the writers.
If you ever are having doubts about your own competence, just remember that the writers for this show managed to gain employment.
One thing that really confused me is how Reva managed to figure out that the chopped-up message is talking about Owen and his son. That one farmer she threatened to kill that one time.
The message literally only said "the boy" and "Tatooine" and then she immediately knew who it was talking about. I think there is more than just one ten-year-old boy on Tatooine. And also: Why did she want to kill Luke in the first place? I may have missed something there but it felt really out of nowhere tbh.
Then there is also the absolute travesty that is Tala and her shenanigans during the infiltration of the Inquisitor fort. While she is talking to Obi-Wan and giving him directions there are about 5 other people are sitting right next to her (and one of them even looks at her with a confused look as a gag but doesn't actually do anything about it)
Then she later knocks a guy out ten feet from the other officers and they still don't react to it.
Edit: Ok I double-checked and the message actually did directly mention Owen. My bad there. The show still suffers severely in various other aspects though.
Haven't they been planning this series for years? How can it have so much filler in 6 episodes?
Thanks to Solo, Disney thinks spin-off films are a no go. Plus the show was delayed because Kathleen personally wanted to have the scripts be rewritten, showing how late in production this show stumbled to the finish line.
@@zachryder3150 You can bet that she wanted to make Leia more prominent and have Reva be seemingly all knowing and all powerful because muh women. Same reason she made Obiwan a coward and an idiot until the very end when she knew she had to give the fans something. Men are bad doncha know?
It was originally supposed to be a movie, which is why so much feels stretched out and contrived in the show.
Originally plot was about Obi-Wan looking after Luke, but Kathleen changed it because it was too much like Mandalorian. So...they changed Luke to Leia.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p Parkour!
Really looking forward to a dozen seasons of Darth Vader regularly kidnapping Leia, now knowing that Obi-Wan will always come for her and he'll never have Alderaan's army to contend with.
Yeah and how tf Organa is not in prison or on choping block as traitor is beyond me...
They develop a father daughter relationship and go out eating icecream at infinity cones.
@@alesksander It's weird but I guess its difficult to move against any Imperial Senator. Palpatine doesn't blow up Alderaan until he dissolves the senate. Even in real life, Roman Emperors rarely moved against openly hostile Imperial Senators, for fear of the entire senate moving against them. But maybe, just maybe, it's bad writing
IMO this should have been a movie rather then a series, there would have been less spinning wheels to fill 5 hours of content, focusing on what you can fit in 2 and maybe half hours.
Also sometimes things don't have to be super epic, and humble story is good too.
It is strange to think we needed obi and Vader to fight again before a new hope, we really did not need that.
But I won't lie the tearjerker scene between Vader and Obi was well done.
It was going to be a movie until people basically boycotted Solo. It seems less risky to make a streaming show than summer blockbuster movie.
Also, release episodes weekly and Disney have Star Wars fans subbed throughout 💰
Exactly. Look at Logan
@@vijayanand6650 surprisingly Solo is actually one of the better Disney SW content
That's pretty bold uploading the whole season.
lmao
1) Also in star wars rebels, when asked about obi wan, vader said "if he lives"; implying that he had good reason to believe obi wan dead. It would have made so much sense for obi wan to fake his death and hide at the end of the series, but nope. As of now, Vader simply believes that obi wan might have died of old age in 5 years.
2) How did Reva go from "bail organa, owen lars, and obi wan kenobi are connected and owen lars has a kid on tattooine" to "anakin skywalker had a kid and owen lars is hiding him!"
3) How is leia able to outrun so many people?
4) How did the empire not reinforce fortress inquisitorius or learn from their mistakes from Jedi Fallen Order.
5) obi wan said "when you were born we hid you from your father to save you from the emperor" in return of the jedi, which implies that he knew anakin/vader was alive when luke and leia were born
6) if obi wan truly believed anakin was dead and gone, why didnt he kill vader? Why is this dude thoroughly incapable of finishing fights?
To point 2, there's another plot hole there. Bail in his transmission says "if he's found you, if he's learned of the children" when Bail shouldn't know who Vader is yet, or that Anakin is alive, just like Obi Wan at the beginning of the show. Seeing as we haven't seen him and Obi Wan communicate at any other point in the show, he probably wouldn't even know that the Empire was involved in kidnapping his daughter yet.
And obviously that leads to the massive plot hole of the Organa's being implicated as traitors to the Empire. Which ruins the ANH confrontation between Vader and Leia, which now should've gone like this: "Hey, your family is friends with Obi Wan. I know this because of that one time when one of my inquisitors kidnapped you, and I almost killed you when I force pulled a transport ship I thought you were in with Obi Wan and ripped a hole in the side of it. Which is probably what I should've done a few minutes ago in Rogue One, but Disney hadn't given me that ability yet."
Vader could tell that Obi's diet wasn't what it used to be. He assumed he would become morbidly obese and die in 5 years.
6) Because he is a Jedi, not a murderer. He had no reason to kill him. Also even more understandable, imagine the fan base that couldnt contain their outrage that the Grand Inquisitor APPARENTLY dead, or the fact that Obi-wan lost the connection with the force, you think those IDIOTS could handle if he killed Vader. Lol.
@@byghostlight0 the problem here is not that the Writers didn't make Kenobi kill vader lol, the problem here is that the final fight should not have ended with Obi Wan capable of killing Vader (just like the fight in the third episode should not have ended with Vader in a position to kill Obi Wan.).
@@UUUU-dn9wz The show was not about killing Vader. One, we as fans know that is not going to happen. Two, that is not who Obi-wan nor the Jedi are. The absolutely only reason Obi-wan is even facing him to buy time to get Leia and refuges out. Thats why he said 'I will do what I must', not that he wanted to fight Vader. As for the third episode fight, Vader wanted Obi to suffer, he was toying with him, he saw that his old master has already defeat before the fight began. Vader COULD HAVE killed at anytime. The point of fight was not to kill, but fear.
Not getting Dave Filoni involved with the writing and direction of the show was the dumbest thing ever, it's the equivalent of giving Mando to a bunch of terrible newbie writers that knows jackshit about the character rather than the same writing team from The Mandalorian. It's like if Disney has developed a fetish for hiring incompetent bad writers or something.
agreed
Never forget that the show was delayed because Kathleen personally wanted the scripts to be changed.
Filoni isn't the great saviour you think he is. CW has many similar flaws, only because it actually had some good characters and stories here and there do you Filoni fans over look his faults. You guys call him the "heir" to Lucas... well much like Lucas he needs a lot of people around him that keep him grounded. It's why the OT is beloved and the PT is loved subjectively but most agree that objectively, it has major problems, because Lucas only had yes men while creating them.
Filoni is really overrated. Book of Boba Fett being a perfect example
@@mnoir7257 thank you! The “god tier” Filoni couldn’t even get Luke Skywalker right in Bobf.
The problem with disney is that they think they can just make things up as they go along. There is no established universe lore or consistency. The writers just think the force makes you have abilities "that some consider to be unnnatural" and nobody would question it because everything is just the force. One show/movie will have you thinking that something is special only for another character to use it sparingly and nonchalantly. It's like the Rey healing power when they meet that serpent underground when she finds the dagger. Imagine seeing that and then looking back at the prequels seeing Jedi masters with more experience being a Jedi than her not even having it or talking about it. For something like that to be introduced I would expect someone with great power and knowledge to be able to use it and then could teach it. Everything is inherited now.
People give the example of Luke but he at least didn't win his battles, which showed his inexperience.
The force for Disney works like a video game tracking sight where important items get highlightet for the player.
I thought you were gonna talk about Obi Wan sparing Vader. That seemed pretty devoid of logic. Specially since he ACCEPTS the fact that his friend is gone, and only a Sith remains. Ok so then, are you gonna leave him be? Not even try to capture or subdue him at least? In a previous scene he even says: "either he dies or I die", so he had the intention to KILL him even when he thought he was still Anakin. Obi Wan is now responsible for thousands of additional deaths.
Of course I know that none of that could have happened due to continuity with Episode IV. But of all the excuses they could have thought to prevent Obi Wan from killing Vader (Inquisitors arriving to help, Kenobi sensing Luke was in danger, Vader actually winning) they went with the worse one, sparing him just because. And the "goodbye, Darth" was cringe and a lame way to connect it with the nonsense of calling him Darth in the older movies.
Kind of agree, the fight was pretty good and emotional for the most part, I actually think the "Goodbye Darth" was good and explain why Kenobi says "You cant win DARTH" in episode 4 after calling him Vader previously to Luke.
BUT I do agree that they set up this to be Obi Wan on a mission to finish business and when he makes his mind up that Anakin was dead, he should be able to kill him off but still doesnt. My head canon is because he actually could not kill him off because I think deep down (subcounsciouly maybe) he could not separate Anakin from Vader, and he could never literally kill someone that was like a little brother to him. Now thats the best explaining I could come up with, but I do agree that the other scenarios you pointed out woud be better options as story telling.
And Obi Wan always was the most responsable man from all the tragedy that happened with not only Anakin but also the fall of the Republic, the purge of the Jedi and the rise of the Empire, there was nothing new in regards to that, I actually wanted this series to dig deeper in this psychological aspect and how he dealed with that, we kind of had a little bit but I thought this should have been the focus of the series.
This one I can accept. It is at least somewhat consistent with the prequel trilogy when Obi Wan didn't finish off Anakin on Mustafar to ensure he was dead, and you can chalk it up to "it's not the jedi way". Him calling him Darth helps explain the lack of foresight in the Episode IV writing by using Darth like a first name, along with the line "my friend is truly dead."
Contrast that with Vader just standing there as Obi Wan is carried off by a slow moving droid in Part III, which was utterly stupid.
@@WBookout10 He left Anakin burning to death at the end of RoTS and thought the was dead. That seems much crueler than just finishing him off so I can't buy that he couldn't kill him this time because it is not the Jedi way. Especially after he excepted that Anakin was dead and only Darth remained. Plus he won't be killing him out of anger or revenge he would be doing it to protect Luke, Leia, the other Jedi that are still alive, and the rest of the galaxy.
@@redplanet5857 Yeah I'm not saying it's great writing, but it's one of the more believable occurrences in this show. Idk, Disney kinda screwed up the whole killing sith thing in Ep IX. I saw in another video someone asking if Windu had killed sidious in Ep III, if all the sith would've been transferred to Windu. And why that didn't happen to anakin in Ep VI when he yeeted sidious. There's too many contradictions and inconsistencies now.
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Mind you, the reason their aim in the OT was horrible was because they let the protagonists go
There are some plot armor moments yes, but most of their effectiveness is rarely seen (Think the door breach scene where 1 or 2 troopers fell in a choke ambush and the jawa slaughter)
The protagonists were let to to find Yavin 4 in an attempt to destroy the rebellion
Here, the protagonists were let go because they are alive in the OT
For some reason, people seem to miss both scenes with Leia and Tarkin explaining this! The writers in the 70's at least tried to find and actually found a good excuse for plot armour in the story, don't know what's happened since then???
@@harrycannon3927 Clearly the disney writers also ignored those scenes and said "because Lucas did it (even though he actually didn't) we can do it too. if we perceive others as putting in low effort, it's totally fine for us to put in zero effort as well"
Vader literally says he wants luke and Leia to be captured alive in the ot.. much better out than here where they just make the stormtroopers bad lol.
I knew I wasn’t the only one that thought Disney made everything convenient for Reva to where whenever she was on a mission it was so predictable
Love how the series had Obi-wan spend all this time building a relationship with Leia and seeing the potential within her... to then only see Luke as the sole saviour of the Galaxy and have to be told by Yoda , (who's never met Leia) that she's also a candidate to save the galaxy.
This, people, is what we call breaking continuity!!!
Leia and him having this interaction makes zero sense.
The entire show breaks continuity
@@mnoir7257 Why? Because you dont agree it? That makes no sense.
no its not, like so many commentators here you are grasping at straws simply because you disagree with a decision. At no point is it breaking continuity, there are more than one way to save the galaxy. Luke had the force and Leia had diplomacy and her empathy and ability to lead. Both played their part in the original trilogy.
@@byghostlight0 Your entire counter is to say that we don't like it because we don't like it 🤣... who's grasping at straws again??
You have watched ESB right? Obi-Wan refers only to Luke as "their last hope" and again in ROTJ when Luke points out there's another. He doesn't even visit her as a ghost. While the ST went over the top with it, she's still force sensitive in the OT, he could've popped in to say hi, providing advice and encouragement.
The very fact it's Obi-Wan and only him who comes to rescue Leia, breaks the canon. The Empire know he came to help her and since Bail told no one else as he kept it quiet, then only he could've told Obi-Wan.
Therefore, Bail has incriminated himself and would be arrested for treason. They'd torture him for info and learn about Obi-Wan, Yoda, Leia and Luke. Because of this, the OT shouldn't happen, otherwise the Empire, including the Emperor, Vader, the inquisitors and other officers are all idiots.
Which destroys the stakes of the story because now as an audience member, rather than hoping the heroes will win, we know they will, because how could they when facing such incompetence.
One thing I noticed about the scene where like 40 storm troopers can’t hit a small group of people stood out in the open in a small room - they hit that one guy with the shield plenty! Like he is taking shots for days! Everyone outside of cover though - safe as houses. Incredible work from the director… 🙄
The fire part with Darth Vader made sense emotionally. He wanted Obiwan to suffer as he did. That was a definite plus for me.
But him letting obi walk away was silly
Suffering in fire was good, pushing him away was dumb, pulling him closer for more torture would have made more sense and what Vader would have done as he isn't so much like to toy around, he would rather just keep the pain train a comin.
But Obi wan being so weak, being toyed around with, even though he should be even stronger and Vader, with his suit limmiting him, being weaker then at their last duel. I allways thought that Vader really avoided Obi wan, because he was insecure about the possible outcome of a fight. (Between return of the sith and a new hope)
@@leone.6190 Vader's suit was limiting but it actually made him far stronger in the dark side so I don't think you can say he was weaker then Anakin when he fell.
@@SirCanuckelhead Hm, well I read it limited his abileties. And Palpatine also specifically intended the suit to be this way, so Vader wouldn't overthrow him.
You hit the nail on the head many times. Good video.
Isn't it strange how the third sisters name is Reva is like a letter off from her name being Revan?
This video was inevitable.
In a New Hope Tarkin had bugged the falcon to follow Vader's plan. The troopers pursuing Luke, Han and Leah would have been instructed not to hit them as immediately followed by the comment upon their escape "I'm taking an awefuly big risk".
The scene in the fortress could have been used as a call back to this.. instead of it not deciding what it wanted to do and highlighting again, the poor writing.
Finally! Been waiting for this one since the first episode
Having a subordinate who wants to kill you is actually pretty standard for Sith Lords. Also turning a Jedi, even a youngling, to the dark side even if they want to kill is actually quite normal.
Mmhmm. That bell icon is doing justice. I was waiting for this one.
Since three weeks I've been waiting for a Kenobi being devoid of logic video from Supercuts.
I'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS.
Both Star Wars(Dooku) and MCU(Crossbones) have the same line as a meme,but delivered in different ways.
thank you for making this!
Another thing: Canon material has made it explicitly clear that Darth Vader is both the best saber duelist and most powerful force user in the galaxy. Force Awakens guide says Kylo Ren has the blood of the "most powerful Jedi and Sith", Jedi Fallen Order calls Vader "The most powerful Sith in the galaxy", Palpatine calls Vader's powers "unparalled" in the Tarkin novel, the Star Wars Everything You Need To Know book says Vader is the best red saber duelist, etc. We also see Vader walk through lava and fight with his suit deactivated in the comics. But not only does Vader refuse to walk through fire, but Vader loses to Obi-Wan, and the Emperor says his feelings for his master left him weakened (AKA the age old excuse for Vader losing to opponents less powerful to him). But Vader has shown nothing but hatred for him and hatred is supposed to fuel the dark side. What's up with that?
The main issue I have with Reva is that her whole motivation to kill Darth Vader was because he killed younglings. Yet she is willing to torture a young girl in pursuit of her goal. That makes zero sense to me.
I was waiting for this soooooo bad
The regal ancestor spirit ost fits your videos so well
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The only explanation I can think of for this is that she is a skywalker, and is thus very naturally talented with electronics like how anakin was at around the same age in TPM. However, that is still just bs since we havent seen her be proficient with technology anywhere else to back this up
Why doesn't Vader kill Leia immediately in ANH? Or use the force to stop the falcon? Or kill Kenobi much sooner than he does?
A Dark side force user surviving a mortal wound is actually pretty common as well. Anakin survived having his limbs cut off and being burned near death, Darth Maul survived being bisected, and Darth Sion literally wouldn’t die because he survived on rage and hate through the dark side.
Love your channel man. I have no idea how you don't get copyright claims. They get me everytime.
"It was this close to greatness!"
To be fair, Leia in A New Hope could just be speaking formally, while communicating from long distance.
agreed and they tied it in with the last scene where obi wan says its dangerous if she behavea like she knows him
@@aesir1ases64 it's dangerous for her to attempt to communicate to him regardless. He's a jedi and enemy of the Empire. And the show already made it obvious that her family knew him and was communicating with him. That's the whole reason they used Leia as bait for Obi Wan. It's just a big plot hole know.
0:45 I like to think that Vader didn’t knew who Reva was; He just assumed considering her age (although she should be 21 at the most)and desire for revenge.
Like this is the 7th time he off a youngling out for revenge
Great content as always
Thanks for reassuring that I don't need Disney + subscription
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☝️this. What a clown show SW has become.
Before Disney took over every hit with a lightsaber was either a cut off limb or when hitting the torse, death. After they took over for some reason now everyone just survives getting hit by lightsaber hits. Guess otherwise its not childfriendly enough....
This is just straight up false, have you seen the OT and the prequels? or are you just making stuff up because fuck disney
Recognized Regal Ancestral Spirit soundtrack from the first second it started playing. Great to hear it being used.
Damn, good vid dude
I sense Darth Vader’s presence. I sense Darth Vader is on the toilet 😐 I sense he did not wash his hands 😡
I just quit towards the end of the second episode because I just couldn't watch. I had high hopes for the show, but was severely disappointed. Thank you for making this video and confirming that I shouldn't have watched any further.
Love how you used the elden ring Boss music in this! Great song
I suppose we should applaud the Empire for employing the visually challenged.
I really don't like how Vader ended up being straight up defeated by Obi Wan. I wouldve liked to see a stale mate.
It just feels weird Obi Wan just let's him live......watched him snap children's necks trying to draw him out of the town earlier....
I wasn't expecting it to play out like that. I thought Obi Wan would've had a few tricks up his sleeve to deal with Vader's brute strength (after all, he chose the planet and had time to prepare) and after being relentlessly attacked and beaten down, he'd be able to compromise his suit or momentarily stun him.
Queue a bit of dialogue where Obi Wan tells him he's "still the learner" when he suddenly senses Luke is in danger. Obi Wan flees and Vader becomes enraged and pursues him only to discover that Obi Wan has sabotaged the engine on his ship (maybe have Obi Wan stall at the start of the fight by talking and have him suspiciously walk by Vader's ship during the exchange). At the end we'd realise Obi Wan never wanted to fight to the death and always intended to to escape.
It would've recalled their sparring match too, with Vader being obsessed with overpowering his opponent and Obi Wan seeing the bigger picture.
@@xziggy_stardustx6786 yup. It would've fit in so perfectly with established lore. But nope.
Gotta see vader be the jobber for obi wan. Clone wars General grevious level writing for vader.
Writing is a key aspect that needs to be good.
(I agree with you by the way)
Vader teleporting to Obi-Wan is kinda in line with his character. He's surprisingly stealthy, as we see in Episode 5
I hated how they tried breaking the massive steel door with a cannon and then the sister is like. Nope watch this and opens it / cuts through it instantly. Like it's literally shown in CW and even the MOVIES that cutting through this much of steel takes time.
I 100% thought you were going to rip the makers of obi wan apart for the Bad cinematography and camera movement, Kind surprises me that you didnt mention the unstoppable Shaking camera scenes. But love your Videos 😃
17:04 i dont agree with this statement as a retcon. Considering when leia hugged Obi wan and asked if he would see him again obi wan responded that they both need to keep a low profile. I feel like if leia had said that she knew obi wan in the hologram and the hologram would be found out by the empire they would both be dead.
Except in ANH by the time she sent the message the Empire already new she was a rebel and because of this series the Empire would have know that she and Bail knew Obi Wan and were traitors so they both should have been arrested or killed before the events of ANH.
@@redplanet5857 Also when everything is on the line you don't speak to the person in third person. Person who presumably saved ur lives 2 times as child (traumatic experiences become baked deeply into ur minds... ). Its all bollocks...
@@redplanet5857 They had some evidence, but they didnt know for sure. just because you dont like it doesnt mean its a plot hole.
"stomach gets deleted" is hilarious 😂🖐🏾🤔🤔
Honestly barely scratched the surface with this video :O
13:44 you didn't mention that they shot the blast door with a cannon for like 5 minutes while Reva then shows that her lightsaber could have opened it instantly all along. That was a real bruh moment
big true
And Tala had grenades the whole time and she used them to kill herself while she could've used those same grenades to kill dozens of imps that were cluttered up in the hallways. She also could've used them to save herself, but she just wanted to die in fashion I guess
@@cephydash1533 Well at least that way she doesn't have to suffer through a second season lol
@@cephydash1533 She had gotten shot and didnt want to get captured, therefore she comitted suicide and took a few troopers with her. Its pretty simple to understand you know
@@confusedturtle2275 I think you failed to understand what I said. What I said was she could've used the grenades from the beginning and she wouldn't have needed to kill herself with them. There were a lot of times she could've used the grenades effectively to hold back the imperials and/or make a dent in their numbers, but she never did. That was the point I was making.
Getting GoT last seasons vibes 😂
Its not THAT BAD mate lol, trust me, its more like a better season 7 got tbh, season 8 is the biggest pile of shit i have ever seen in my life, obi wan at least had a couple of nice scenes and some decent episodes.
@@aesir1ases64 season 7 is just as bad as season 8
The title made me think, you uploaded the entire series
The worst suspension of disbelief I had to give was Reva teleporting to Tatooine
The only good thing in this show is the final duel. Star Wars died many years ago
Doesn't Vader use the Death Star to blow up a planet while murdering baby Jedi and adults through-out his time as a baddie?
Obi Wan not killing Vader makes him complicit. He would rather keep his old friend alive than save innocent people (like the first Jedi who asks him for help that he ignores, who ends up dead and hanged in the middle of town)
So Obi Wan is as bad as Vader and the Emperor. And it's cannon now.
Star Wars is awesome 👍
Vader had nothing to do with the Death Star, that was Director's Krennic's project and was taken over my Tarken. After this point in the series Vader focused less on hunting Jedi, leaving that to the inquisitors, and more on fighting the rebels. The Jedi do not kill their enemies especially when they are disabled. They have an almost fatalistic belief in the will of the Force that it will sort everything out in the end. Which it does.
@@stevenclark5173 oh yeah that code. I remember when mace windu wanted to spare the disarmed palpatine in episode 3. That was a thing he did believe in the force.
You can turn how you want, obi wan kenobi is directly responsable for many many more suffering and deaths because he is a coward.
Leaving anakin at mustafar, i accept because he was literally burning alive at that point, so the survival rate was close to 0 which was also wrong from obi wan.
But he literally lets him live to spread more chaos at this point.
@@ShapBro Im pretty sure the fact that mace was going to execute palpatine was AGAINST the jedi code. Anakin literally calls him out of it, and Mace's only defence is "hes too dangerous to be left alive"
@@confusedturtle2275 sorry, it was sarcasm, i didnt made it clear enough.
@@ShapBro no need to be sorry about it, I misinterpreted what you typed and took it seriously, no worries
I love this channel
The only reason the stormtroopers missed in a new hope is because they were told to let them go so they would lead them back to the rebel base, so not plot armor.
Obi Wan Kenobi show is the definition of nothing burger. The audience knows the events before and after the show so we know nothing significant can be done. We also know that this will also make intelligent characters heavily dumb to fit the story.
Totally agree with pretty much every point here. I enjoyed the show but it's extremely flawed and not up to the standard Star Wars as a franchise deserves. With that said, three things I'd like to defend would be
1. at 9:10 , just because her mind couldn't be read doesn't necessarily mean she MUST be force sensitive. The internal logic behind mind reading is that it only works on weak minds (like Stormtroopers) so it's fair to not immediately assume she's force sensitive based on this. Watto resisted Qui-Gonns mind tricks in Episode 1, and Cad Bane required three to break him in The Clone Wars
2. at 4:10 , I don't think she was actually stabbed in the same spot as a Youngling. I interpreted it as her seeing herself as that helpless child again facing the wrath of Vader. I feel like they made it from her POV for this reason, but I very well could be wrong.
3. at 5:29 , it's said in Episode 1 that a Jedi has an insatiable desire to help, and their great flaw is that they can't ignore an innocent person in need (or something like that). Vader terrorizing the village was Vader trying to lure Kenobi out using the same tactic, and it seemed to work. If Kenobi was so confident that Leia would get to safety/back to Alderaan through the tunnel, I find it pretty believable that he'd wait behind knowing what's happening because of him.
The siege at the end was 100 stormtroopers/rebels on the volume pretending to miss eachother from 5' away....
I just can’t wrap my head around obi-wan, who has had little to no training for years all of a sudden beating DARTH VADER, who has done nothing but fight, gain experience and power for YEARS. That’s like a normal person beating an mma champion with 2 days of training.
One of the reasons i disliked the Mandalorian is precisely because of useless stormtroopers. Seems Disney didn't learn
Idk i feel in Mando the stormtroopers arr more useful than in the OT. At least they hit some stuff in Mando
@@M1ch43l33 true, but still they are continue to push the story of them being more of a meme than an actual soldiers capable of being dangerous to any character which has more than 5 minutes of screentime
Soulless, shallow, corporatized writing.
Seeing an assasin sith scene where they're trying to kill Vader disarmed in the tank sounds menacingly great.
When Tala slapped that stormtrooper tho...
The sith lineage is based on the apprentice wanting to kill the master, half of the time, training their own apprentice in secret and then challenging their master.
Vader wants to kill Palpatine, palpatine welcomes him to try.
All the force stuff, like finding the secret door, bugging the drone, knowing obiwan would come, etc, that a makes sense...
Hell, we can do that psyche intuition level stuff... let alone a trained specialist...
The two passages and getting their first, doesn't...
Ive seen a lot of dumb opinions on the internet about this show something like "Show was amazing, Kenobi was great, final fight was incredible, final 2 episodes made up for 4 terible ones, writing was trash 10/10" Dude, you cant say the show was great just because your favourite characters played in it. People sees Kenobi and they forgive all the mistakes that the directors and writers made. For me show was medicore. I barely made it through first 3 episodes and final 2 were good. That doesnt change a fact that it has a looot of issues. 6/10
"They don't have any TIE fighters, nobody would be crazy enough to run from a Star Destroyer."
Seriously, for me the worst part was Obi Wan has his whole "One of us is going to die" moment, then he just leaves Vader alive for no reason. THEN they have him sense Luke's in trouble, when that would have been the PERFECT excuse for Obi Wan to not risk finishing Vader off and leaving the fight. Sometimes it feels like Disney executives made a bet to see which IP, Marvel or Star Wars, they could ruin first.
the trench coat scene is not even written for children, children would ask their parents why they cant see them or laugh, the writers just didn't have any ideia how to take them out of there and chose to go with the stupid one.
How do so many people miss that in ANH the Empire are letting them leave, in order to find the base on Yavin IV??????
It's literally bashed over our heads twice in the film, by Leia and Tarkin!
In ESB, the Empire are fine on Hoth and throughout the chase with the Falcon. it's only at Bespin that they falter a bit.
Then in ROTJ has them beat by Teddy Bears... which can anyone seriously tell me they liked that outcome from a tactical point of view?
Since then it was a MEME for years that Stormtroopers were bad shots, but Disney has taken this as fact and took the most common enemy the heroes face... and turned them into a joke. It's laughable that anyone has to try and fight Stormtroopers when you can just slap them and it's over.