Line Breeding vs Colony Breeding Fancy Guppies; Black Lace Snakeskins Update
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- Опубликовано: 11 фев 2019
- Pros & cons on line breeding or colony breeding guppy strains. Examples of both and tips on continuing the lines. Updates on Black Lace Snakeskins & Platinum Red Mosaic Big Ear Guppies and a few others.
LINE BREEDING is done for show guppies because it's the best way to keep the strain strong and advance the depth of color or get larger and longer fins. To line breed successfully you will want to start with 2 trios minimum of the strain and raise each trio in a separate tank.
COLONY BREEDING can be good for smaller bodied guppies such as medusas, nebula steel, cobra skins. To keep the line from falling apart you will need to cull any males right away that are developing with bad color or body traits and any females with poor body shape.
Backcrossing
This is where you breed, say, the male of a strain that you want to rectify a problem back to one of his daughters from the outcross, or the female of the strain back to her son from the outcross.
You are trying to restore the strain to its original appearance, but with the problem fixed.
You may have to do this a few times. The way to check is if the sibling-to-sibling mating produces fish that look like the parents with the trait fixed.
Surfing RUclips on my day off. I found this video. Nice job putting it together with great information. Cheers
Lumpy! Thank you and enjoy the surfing!
Great video. It's great to learn things that are true and tested.
Thank you Mike! Different things work for different people but I use methods that have worked for me without being a maniac about the hobby!
Very informative,...not many videos explain breeding this well....appreciate this video alot!..thanks!
Thank you for the very kind words!!
Great video Boss, helped clear up some of my questions.
Thank you so much! I'm glad it helped you.
Thanks for sharing wow it's beautiful love snakeskins
Thank you very much!! I'm trying to come up with a snakeskin doubleswordtail. No luck so far.
LOVE them black & white lace snake skin he's PRETTY
Thank you! I just got a nice sized drop of babies in 1 of those tanks so there may be a lot more of em around.
Great information. Your yellow's look great. Your fish speak for you. Your doing a great job.
Thank you so much I appreciate it!
Everyone looks really good and healthy. I’m working on getting a few more dedicated tanks here too. It’s really cool to see how you’re doing it. Not too much different here. There’s an IFGA event in April near me. Can’t wait to pickup some cool lines. I have those dumbo ears too but not the long fin. We should swap fish later this year.
Hi Jeffrey, thanks very much!! I'll probably be sending entries to that show but it's too far for me to attend. If you buy any fish at the auction try not to buy old males. They look great but chances aren't good that they can catch up to the females.
It was great the way you broke all this down to understandable terms. So much good information, thanks.
ShelbyRae Lane thank you!
Nice yellows, congratulations!
Thank you Denis!
Great gups , interesting info ! Added to my playlist titled Guppy ✌💕
best info not all eggs in one basket , thanks again
Thanks very much! It wasn't easy reading from my notes and trying to film at the same time so I forgot some stuff as well as had nothing whatsoever in the camera frame at various times! :)
Beautiful guppies 😍👍🏻
Thank you!!
I was surfing YT and found your channel. Amazing fish n very informational. Thank you I learned a lot. 🙏🏼
Thank you so much for watching and for the kind words!
@@DGrey olá vc envia para São Paulo Brasil?
@@IvoBFeitosa gracias, solo puedo enviar dentro de los Estados Unidos
@@DGrey graças. Sorry
Makes a lot of sense, thanks.
Thank you! I appreciate it.
Very cool, thanks for sharing.
Thank you very much!!
Thank you for the information. I am trying to colony breed soon. Possibly linebreed in the near future.
Thank you for watching! Colony breeding can work out well. You just have to cull any bad ones out quickly and it's best to run 2 tanks of the colony so you can cross some of them later on if you need to improve the line.
D Grey Thank you. I just bought some half black guppies that I think are really good looking. I also am interested in solid red guppies. I have 3 tanks and one small tank. With one more tank on the way. I am a total beginner though.
Thankyou sir. Great insight.
Thank You! I appreciate your comment and that you watch the videos!
Really nice guppies!
Thanks very much!! I'm ok until someone says I have to count them all!
Very educational videos.
Thank you! See I know something, just not always why I walked into a room for something.
@@DGrey I'm the same way. But allway remember when I sit down. 😂
thanks for the tips
Thanks Lloyd, I appreciate you watching the videos!
Hiya D...Nice to see another cool video with more great info. How are they baby albino snow whites ( I think that's what they were) coming along? I really am liking that line more and more as I watch your other videos. Have a great day..stay warm...this weather we are having just sucks.
Thanks Rhia! I hope you are doing well. I still have the 22 babies and they eat like underwater pigs, if there is such a thing :) I almost included a few seconds of them in that video but it was starting to run too long.
Thank you bro you don’t deserve thiss loww views 😢❤❤❤
Thank you so much I really appreciate it!
Great video
Thank you so much!!
Excellent video! 😊
Thanks Renee! I tried writing down what I wanted to see then forgot to say half of it anyway.
@@DGrey Lol! That's always how it goes with stuff like this. 😁
Great video! I am more of a colony breeder, but am really picky about what guppies get to breed.
Thank you! That is the best way to go about keeping the line strong.
I agree with line breeding. I've been colony breeding and noticed that things fell apart fast. I'm now resetting what I'm doing. What do you mean by setting the line?
Thanks!! For crosses I've been making I am trying to get the line to look the way I want it to look, colors fin shape etc. Once that is set then I will line breed them.
I was hoping to hear more about your development of the Subaru Tail which is quite exciting.
Yet another thing I forgot to talk about in that video!
@@DGrey You took a cheap shot at Jersey. I lived in Hackensack for 7 years and sort of miss the place.
I've tried to leave the Subaru and jersey comments out of the more serious topics in case any guppy clubs want to use those videos in their meetings. But my favorite comedian and tv show is/was Craig Ferguson, so there will still be cheap shots galore in some videos!
Thanks for information
Thanks for watching!
The yellow one so cool 👍🏻
Thanks so much Nelson!!
You’re welcome sir.
like they say if it's not broke don't fix it ha ha ha you have some AWESOME looking fish :>} subscribed
Thanks Very much!!
I like that yellow male!
Thank you very much!
ill be sticking to the line breeding just unsure of what strain to pick, super dumbo mosaic guppy pair or albino German yellow pair ive always loved my albinos. thank you for your tips mate
Thank you for watching! I just recommend to people to buy what they like and can afford. I seem to have too many strains with red in them but that's my favorite color.
@@DGrey the albinos are for sure more expensive but those are my favorite
Red suits you and your guppies
Again amazing stuff I enjoy all your hard work
Thank you! Best wishes with the ones that you end up going with.
Hello, I love your channel. What floating plant are you using for this particular video. It looks really cool!
Thank you very much for watching! I use thin leaf water sprite, Ceratopteris thalicoides. There's also a broad leaf version which is probably more commonly seen in stores. I have that in a lot of tanks too.
@@DGrey Thank you!😊
Great video. Very informative. Why do u say that u can only colony breed with the smaller body guppies?
Hi, thank you for the kind comments & thanks for watching! Colony breeding is basically inbreeding and after a few generations the body will get smaller, colors may degrade or the fins could get smaller. With smaller body guppies this problems are not as noticeable. If you have more than 1 tank of the same strain you can prolong any changes by every few generations crossing some form 1 tank in to the other.
Nice.guppie....i hug you boss
Thank you very much!!!
I have a question, so I'm colony breeding and I have the regular 24k gold guppies with short pectoral fins is it alright to cross them with 24k gold guppies with long pectoral fins? Thank you and nice vid
Thank you for watching! Yes, just try to do the cross with a few of the fish and not all of your stock of each type. Sometimes fish that are from the same strain but from different breeders or stores have different things in their back rounds and you can get results you may not like.
@@DGrey thank you for answering I was stressing because all I find on the strain are the long pectoral versions, have a nice day or night lol
Thanks by the way what do you feed them what are those white things they are eating
Thank you! They were eating live baby brine shrimp. It's the best way for me to get them all out in front of the camera.
So I have four moth old split group by sex of red mosaics, still waiting for the males to finish showing them selves.
option's are just pick one :/ or breed to a good looking old male. / or wait a little longer. feeling if I wait much longer might not work out so well. guess you need more than one group due to how slow the males are. so saved another batch from my best female maybe the males will still be swinging when the females are ready. sorry kind of a ramble but I think you well get it lol
I'm right with you on that. I have been picking males as the tails fill out with color and just as I see a hint of red color in the dorsal which seems to take in to the 4th month. I wanted to wait and pick the males with the larger pec fins but that is taking even longer to show up. Using an older male at 1st is not a bad idea at all.
Hi again, just here soaking up knowledge about breeding guppies. By the way I like your guppy step by step guide for breeding playlist. I also would like to know. Is it possible to make line 1 and line 2 from just a single trio? Or would that result to cull guppies? Thanks for the videos. Keep it up and keep safe!
Also, where can I get some of those yellow Deltas? I live in the Philippines by the way.
Thank you for watching! Enjoy that beautiful weather! Yes you can definitely make 2 lines from 1 trio. Just take half of the fry and their future generations in a separate tank or group of tanks. Then in 2 or more generations when you cross some fish from line 1 to line 2 they will be related but slightly different so the cross has no surprises and just improves the size and vigor of the line.
There are some breeders in Thailand that have yellow deltas. Just don't get the Micariff yellows. Their males have a small dorsal and I've never seen anyone be able to lengthen them without messing up the color.
Your guppies look so good . Did you get them from twin guppy? Or guppy train
Thanks so much! I've never bought anything from either 1 of those trans shippers. Most of the strains I have had for years and keep them going. I imported the snow white albino's and platinum red mosaic big ears from a guy in Indonesia.
Awesome Video Thanks for sharing FishFam NJAE19
Thank you! I apologize as your comment just popped up today, but says 1 week ago.
So what do you do with guppies that just don't make the cut?
Thanks for watching! I use some of them in crosses I do. Others if they have deformities are euthanized.
What kinda strain is that pink and green fancy tail
I'll have to re watch the video. I'm not sure which one you mean.
Do i have to go on aquabid to pirchase, or where else!
Thank you for watching! I just have the food on there for now. I have to get back to taking pics of available fish and putting them on there or doing a video of them and go 1st come 1st served. Haven't decided on that yet.
Huhuhuh. i really in love with your Yellow :'( I wish i could have pair of that :'(
Thank you very much! They've taken about 10 years of work so far : )
How many tanks generally is the minimum possible to be able to breed guppies? Because I only have one tank atm, with just a 10 guppies I got from petshop, all different colors. Sure they will be breeding on their own, but after watching this, Id really like to try something more serious. But I really have no idea, what it would take to even get started. 3 tanks? 5? Even more?
Thank you for watching! Well the good news is you only need 1 tank for the breeders to start out! Once you get a drop of fry they would go in to their own tank. At 2 to 3 months you would start separating the male fry into their own tank so you'd have 3 tanks then, a couple more as you got more fry from the original breeders. After that it's up to how long you want to keep the original breeders and move on to the nicest trios from the 1st batch. So you're probably looking at 5 tanks or so as long as you cull out the slower growers or ones that are not up to speed looks wise.
@@DGrey Do you suppose I could have like 1 tank for males, 1 for females, and 1 for babies? And then just use jars or something for mating and birthing then. And sort out the babies to males and females as soon as they are big enough.
Hi.. Beautiful yellow deltas.. is it a strain you developed?
Thanks very much! Yellow deltas have always been around the hobby. I've been working on getting the yellow in mine a more intense shade of yellow and trying to get the males dorsal longer.
Do you cut your older males fin so they swim better and faster
I haven't had any luck doing that. The males ended up dying. A friend of mine used to do that with a lot of success.
I have 1pair of albino full red guppy and 25 fry of them, when can I move the fry to my main tank? And I have black Moscow but the the fre have a color blue in the head and green fins why is this happening.. the parents is black Moscow .. :( what can I do.. Thanks Sir :)
The albino's can go in once they grow a little more and can avoid being a meal for the other fish. They don't see too well so they are easy targets. Sad to hear about your Moscow line but that does happen. The best way is to just pick the males with the darkest color each time until you get it back to the color you wanted. It can take a couple of generations of doing that.
D Grey thank you Sir... :)
So if I started breeding I want to inbreed first then after couple generation I cross the two line together and repeat the process?
Yes, you can do that. You want to get the line set first with the colors you are after. Then have related fish to cross in, for future generations. A lot of breeders do that with albino strains because the genetics will break down over time.
@@DGrey thanks
Also what if I inbreed Father to F1 daughter what would the offspring generation be F2? Or something else?
I knowthis is an old video but I like the yellows
Thank you Rita! I used to show this line in ifga shows a few years ago.
So if my vergin female is 5 month old and I try to breed her with a male she can't get pregnant any more?
Thank you for watching! The female can still get pregnant. It just makes things more difficult for the male as the membrane on the female, (that his gonopodium has to penetrate), gets thicker over time until it is penetrated. I try to use females that are 3 months old when I can.
@@DGrey ok thanks for the infos
best of luck with the fish you are raising!
I think I recognize your voice. Are you Mikes friend from Michaels fish room?
I'm in that video!! Mike has friends?? nah don't let him lie to you :)
How long do guppies take to color up ?
Thank you for watching! Depends on the strain but they start to color up after 4 to 6 weeks. The platinum red mosaic big ears seem to take 3 to 4 months to fully color up.
Have you ever tried mating one male with. A dozen females and if so, what was the result. Great video thanks.
I'm doing that in 2 tanks by accident. I showed them in the explosion of fry video. 2 tanks of black moscows with a male and 10 or more females in each tank. I was growing them out for the ifga black female class but that's not going to be happening this year.
@@DGrey thank you
😍👏👏👏👏
Thank you very much!!
Hi I wasn’t interested in breeding my guppy’s I just wanted mails but a week after buying then found about 16 baby in my tank They are about four months old now and they look nothing like yours I have to say that my guppy’s are the ugliest I have ever seen they are orange with a lot of black in them they really are strange looking ......i really love your yellow guppy’s all really beautiful ....Kimberley
Thank you very much Kimberly!! I'm sure they are not ugly. Guppies are always cool looking. The strains I have are specialized and not what you'd see in pet stores so they are very different looking to some people.
HI, I REALLY LIKE the ones, that you are calling.....half white red. ? Shown only for a moment. Like the idea of multiple 10 GAL tanks. Just getting back into AQUARIUMS. Problem I'm having is deciding on the racks,stands ,etc. To hold the tanks. What are you using to hold all the 10 gal.tanks. ? NICE. GUPPIES. Thanks......! ps. I backed. Up video, AND. NOTICED. Your. Rakes. Are. Wood, constructed. By. Someone.... DUH....LOL..... MY building. Skills. Are. ??? At. Best.... think I'm. GOING. To look into. Heavy duty. Metal. Racks....... THANKS AGAIN....! Those. BRILLIANT. YELLOW GUPPIES. Amazed. Me......As I mentioned, it's. Been about 20. Yrs. Since I raised GUPPIES, AND. Really. Haven't paid. Attention to. Them. In that. Time. I raised llamas, Angora goats, parrots, all kinds. Of. Poultry, The different strains of GUPPIES has certainly. Changed, AND. Improved. From 20. Years. Ago.......and they are ALOT. Easier to. Handle. Than. Hoof stock. Etc....in my. Old. Age..... BE 70, Sept 3rd..... BEST 2U, AND all your. Subscribers.....Ron Shook
Wow Ron, I am sure the zoo times were fun! When I decided to turn 1 room in to the fish room I had a local carpenter build 3 of those racks from my ideas on what would be the most convenient for 3 levels of tanks. Nowadays there are the Very sturdy metal racking systems available at home depot, lowes etc. If you use them just be careful to make sure they are level.
joey on the king of diy has several videos on building racks to hold multiple tanks their pretty easy
What if the male has a nice color but is a bit deform?
Thanks for watching! If the deformity is just fin damage I'd use the male with the better color. If the deformity was bent spine or sliding, not swimming right, I would not use that male.
Alright. Thanks!
I have alot but idk the strain. Please text asap?
The red blue metalhead ones?
When do you think you’ll have some yellows on AB?
Thanks! I miscalculated on their growth because they are not quite big enough to do well in the ifga shows this year. I'm growing out a few tanks of them for next season. I haven't sold any yet until I see how this works out.
@@DGrey Sounds good. You've been the only IFGA member, I've seen to date, that has them. This is a color line my wife wants to work!
Thanks! Yes it is a difficult line to find. Mostly those micariff ones which have small dorsal and tail. I will sell some as soon as I get the extra tanks freed up to accommodate what I need to grow for the shows.
@@DGrey Thanks for the reply! I'll be looking for them in the future on AB.
Man, thanks for sharing this information. I'm currently setting up a line breeding project.. but all I have available are the mixed "mutt" guppies in my area.. Perth Australia are very strict on importing of live fish, so if I want to import any pure strain guppies, I have to get at least 20/30 to make it viable.. they kill 9 of them to test for any unwanted diseases/parasites.. and if anything seems off, bam, whole lot gets euthanized.
So in my case, if I picked out a few that looked the same, I should go with colony breeding until I set the traits I want, and then line breed?
Thank you for watching! That is awful that the fish get tested then bumped off. If you can only buy pet store type guppies the best thing would to colony breed them until you get males that you like. Try matching up similar looking females and then like you said line breed them to keep things going in the right direction. Stay safe over there! From the sounds of what I read, just about animal/insect etc in Australia can kill a person!
@@DGrey Thanks man. Yeah I understand why they're so strict though, we need to protect our local wildlife first, there are many diseases that could wipe out species endemic to us.
Ok, thanks. That's what I had planned after seeing your video and doing a bunch of reading. Wish me luck haha.
Nah man, sure there are creatures that could kill you, if you were a weak old person or child.. but we have antidotes etc and there have been very few deaths for a long time related to our fauna, actually 0 deaths from spider bites since the 70s. As long as you leave them alone and don't be dumb, you'll be fine.
I agree and I think Hawaii and Canada have strict rules on imports too but not as strict as testing and killing off some of the fish. That could get expensive for the person bringing the fish in.
@@DGrey Yeah for sure! I was talking with a LFS owner here.. and you think about how expensive importing discus will be.. no thanks. and poor fish..
How do you Ensure the females don’t eat the babies? Sorry I’m still a novice
Thanks for watching! I keep water sprite at the tops of the tanks or java moss. I also mentioned using 1 gallon spawning jars for the female in the step by step guide to successfully raise fancy guppies, last week. That video will help you with some more tips as well. Best of luck raising your fish!
D Grey I don’t know wether it’s just me but usually when I use plants there is a lot of dirt or some gunk that come from the plants and settle on the bottom of the tank. I know that it won’t really affect the fish but I like my fish tanks clean without that gunk. Any other way to do it? Thanks for answering my questions by the way. I just found ur channel and I am really enjoying all of your videos
Thank you for watching and the very kind words! Plants act as a natural filter, dirt gets trapped in the leaves, roots or the java moss filaments. Every couple of weeks (Before doing a water change) I take the plants out & move/shake them out in the bucket of warm water. After the dirt in the tank settles from pulling the plants out I do the water change and put the plants back in. I keep plants at the top so there's no replanting needed.
I just got a gold and black snakeskin I think he's a male he's still very young but I think he just hit one of my black females.
Thank you for watching. I hope you get something nice out of it.
@@DGrey Thanks I'm about 99% sure it was his sister. He's still very young but if no more color comes out I'm going to try to perfect his pattern and then set it. He added a little something to the pattern that I think is both amazing and unique.
where do you sell ur fish
I used to list auctions on aquabid.com under seller id greyd I have been laying low until things improve around here. Too many cases of the virus in a town 6 miles away from me.
Can i get the yellow guppy?
Hi, thank you, so far I haven't sold any. I enter them in ifga shows.
can you a video on mollies for me please
Hi Nita, thanks for watching! I don't currently own any mollies. I love the sailfin ones but I can never seem to keep them alive.
okay than I was just asking because this is my first time having mollies in my life I am use to goldfishes I just keep watching and keep look up fax on them on my computer
Nita I appreciate the suggestion. I love sailfin mollies and black mollies. I just can't keep them alive. I will probably try some again in the future.
What’s the name of that plant 🌱?
Thank you for watching! I use thin leaf water sprite and the regular broad leaf water sprite, Ceratopteris thalictroides
Can i get a link to your ebay shop?
Thanks for watching! I sell on aquabid and ebay under seller id greyd but no auctions on lately. Philadelphia area is still in a stay in the home directive.
Where are you located do you ship
Thank you for watching! I do ship inside the USA. I’m in Philly PA
man i was like damn why this fish have such gigantic heads then i realized i had my phone upside down
(the females)
Thank you for watching! I like that!
Thank you!!
Iam from Germany do you ship fish? I want to buy from you.
Guten Morgen Sarah! :) Thank you very much! I don't have any licenses to ship outside of the USA. German breeders have some of the best swordtail guppies and other strains.
D grey no problem my friend please make more videos on guppy breeding you have such an amazing channel Iam a new subscriber sending love to you're channel from Berlin Iam looking forward on you're next upload Iam quite intrigued on your new strains it's so exciting to watch you're videos Iam also addicted to guppies🐥🐥🐓🐓
Sarah, thanks so much for the kind words! I'm very glad you enjoy the videos!
Line breed until you get a colony and then start the colony breeding with all your high quality guppys
Thank you very much!!
I don't see where you are actually line breeding anything. Colony breeding in two separate tanks still isn't line breeding. Cool video though.
Thanks for watching! It's still line breeding to me if I use a younger male in with the original parents. I just don't think that the older males can be counted on to keep impregnating the females. To me colony breeding is multiple generations in the same breeding tank. I do colony breed the galaxy/nebula steel, pingu's & japan blue doubleswords.
@@DGrey The term line can mean different things. You can have two seperate lines which is what you are doing which is all good. when you put line with breeding means an entirely different thing. To line breed a single line takes like 6 tanks.
Yes, the fish I mentioned I run 2 separate tanks of breeding trios as they have babies I put them in a tank to grow out. Once they age I cull out some, then separate males from females and put each sex in their own tank. Grow them out and select ones I either sell, enter in shows or use as the next breeders. To me that is line breeding.
Inbreeding is not the problem. But if there is a hereditary defect in the DNA, it is reinforced with each generation of inbreeding. First of all, it is a good idea to have a fixed breeding group. All offspring immediately. Keep the breeding stock for life. Then the inbreeding doesn't go that fast either. If the guppies look good, you can replace a dead animal with a beautiful animal from the offspring. If you prefer to buy a new one, it's more difficult. A new animal can bring disease and cause disaster. Therefore, put the new guppies in a separate container. And after six months you use daughters from the quarantine group to supplement your breeding group. (For example, you replace all breeding females)
If you want to avoid overcrowding, look at the young guppies with a magnifying glass after two or three weeks. The females have a dark spot on the back of their abdomen, near the base of their tail. Separate them from brothers and nephews at that age. Because young males can fertilize their sisters and nieces within four or five weeks. The female stores the sperm until she is fertile and then she becomes pregnant. But if you separate them in time, a female tank and a male tank, the females will grow longer. They grow bigger and you don't have an overcrowded tank.
Thank you for watching & for the fantastic comments!!