Low Bitrate Concerns? DJI Osmo Action 5 Pro First Impressions

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  • Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024

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  • @sergerasklad
    @sergerasklad 3 часа назад +3

    side by side with pocket 3 olso shows agressive sharpening on the 5 pro, and how more pleasing pocket 3 looks without it

  • @xjet
    @xjet 4 часа назад +4

    I have a camcorder that records UHD @ 200mbps in H265 so the thought of 80mbps makes me wince a little.

    • @mtbohana
      @mtbohana 3 часа назад

      That crazy to think about 😂 When every camera is going up in mbit/s DJI decide to cut theirs in half.

  • @gregoryowain2073
    @gregoryowain2073 5 часов назад +2

    An important fact that was missing from all the sponsored videos on the day of release...however it's good to see it seems artefacts are well controlled, at least initially. As someone who moved to Japan this week it's good to know about the open box policy!

  • @phucmapvlog
    @phucmapvlog 2 часа назад

    After seeing the leaked specs for the Osmo action five, I was convinced that it wasn’t worth waiting for. I had a trip coming up, so I went ahead and bought the action four. I was nervous about the release and the footage looking much better. After watching a few of the sponsor reviews though , I felt like the action four footage looked better, but to make sure it wasn’t my own bias, I asked everybody around me and they all agreed. I feel like the action five is trying to look too much like the GoPro (at least in the standard profile). Your video is the first one I have seen aboutthe bit rate, so that makes me even more confident in my decision.

  • @aryaprincess2479
    @aryaprincess2479 3 часа назад +2

    They have to come clean with this thing. A new firmware should allow people to select the bitrate they want to shoot, even if it is the new H265 which is more efficient.

  • @EditioCastigata
    @EditioCastigata 3 часа назад +4

    For example (clockwise), 2:41 transition between the high building on the right and the sky has halo The mixed lane lacks texture. Detail is missing in the phone booth. The bicycle lane is compressed so much, bricks blur into each other. Stone on the left is a hit-and-miss, some parts are sharp, other just blurred into each other (compare the very left brick, second row from bottom, as reference). - By and large, it looks like it was recorded by a phone. (I have the OA4, and an OA5 in the mail.)

    • @creativecarveciteclimb5684
      @creativecarveciteclimb5684 Час назад +1

      The thing is, that is most likely caused by RUclips's HEAVY compression rather than the Osmo Action 5 Pro's slight compression. A freeze frame of the footage would really help as the compression of the video doesn't apply to still non-moving objects.

    • @EditioCastigata
      @EditioCastigata 16 минут назад

      @@creativecarveciteclimb5684 You’re certainly right in that YT will exacerbate the issues. However, it won’t insert the halo and the such.

  • @Nirux
    @Nirux 8 часов назад +1

    Good review. Was wondering if I could possibly get your DJI Lut becauce imo it looks nice and I just got myself the A5 Pro

    • @captureguide
      @captureguide  8 часов назад +1

      Thanks! The LUT is just an official LUT downloaded from the DJI website. I used the "DJI OSMO Pocket 3 D-Log M to Rec.709" LUT. I also tried the "DJI OSMO Action 4 D-Log M to Rec.709 vivid LUT" and it seemed to do exactly the same thing.

  • @gmg3precision
    @gmg3precision 3 часа назад +1

    Not sure most people can notice a difference. 98% of everyone here is a gear head and will buy the latest n greatest when they come out...including me! I just ordered the action 5 pro and will also get the insta360 ace pro2 when it comes out. I like the editing site for insta360 but love the battery life and the dji mic2 compatibility of the action 5 pro.

  • @thetanweerali
    @thetanweerali 3 часа назад +2

    I've also noticed in one of the reviews I think of Tamara's , the textures are less visible on OA5 than OA4, I'm glad I haven't bought one, I was about to. I might get the Action 4. Not sure if DJI will do anything about it.

  • @lukashuening
    @lukashuening 9 часов назад +15

    Just seen a video before where the Chipset of the osmo action 5 pro was analised. The Chipset is capable of 8k video encoding and could easily push 200+ mbit/s bitrate battery life would probably be down by 20-30% but who cares, if you have 3 Battery's? 🤷

    • @captureguide
      @captureguide  9 часов назад +3

      Haven't watched it yet but did see the video mentioned on Reddit! If they can unlock its potential through firmware updates that would be awesome! I agree a shorter battery life is fine as a trade-off. Just not sure whether it is possible and whether there could be any overheating implications.

    • @lukashuening
      @lukashuening 9 часов назад +3

      @@captureguide In the Day 1 reviews the OA 5 pro could record in 4k30 with both screens on for 2h 15+min, so 4k30 at 200+ Mbit/s for 20min recording without overheating shouldn't be a problem.

    • @spiros06
      @spiros06 5 часов назад +3

      Where can I find that video analyzed the chipset?

    • @Ravisidharthan
      @Ravisidharthan 3 часа назад

      Where is the raw video?

    • @shrimpquarantine1741
      @shrimpquarantine1741 3 часа назад +4

      I live in SoCal, and I have 2 friends that I grew with that are CPU Architecture Performance Engineers at Qualcomm San Diego. They watched that video and said there is no way that chip could easily do 8k video/push 200+ mbit/s in the Action 5 form factor. It doesn'tt have the thermal cooling capabilities to keep the CPU in its safe operating temperature. Basically, the CPU will start experiencing degradation issues due to heat and will start to fail. Also, in order to hit that 8k/200+ mbit/ they said DJI would have to offload a lot of the CPU cycles that happen in the background. Things like HorizonSteady and RealSteady. In order for that chip to hit 8k/200+ mbit/s it would need to be in a much larger form factor with really good thermal managment, offloading a lot of the background application to a secondary CPU and the main CPU only handling the 8k/200+ mbit/s. Something that will never happen in the Action 5 Pro.

  • @17cream
    @17cream 6 часов назад +8

    I’ll be honest, OA4 footage looks better..sharper and more controlled contrast. The lower bit rate is madness…

    • @thetanweerali
      @thetanweerali 3 часа назад +1

      That's such a huge bummer for me! I'll be getting the OA4 intead.

    • @shrimpquarantine1741
      @shrimpquarantine1741 3 часа назад

      I agree.

    • @chaxologist2024
      @chaxologist2024 2 часа назад

      At least its far superior in low light, rivaling that of the Insta360 AcePro!
      And its colors are still far more natural and crisp compared to the GoPro Hero 13 Black!
      Otherwise, we'll see if the Insta360 Ace Pro 2 can surprise!

    • @shrimpquarantine1741
      @shrimpquarantine1741 2 часа назад

      @@thetanweerali I would get the GoPro 13 and install the GoPro Labs firmware. Then set the camera to 200 mbit/s and sharpening to off. It will give you the best looking video out of all action cameras. Also Labs firmware gives sooo many more option that DJI can only dream about.

  • @delrayguy399
    @delrayguy399 Час назад

    What I like about DJI is they listen to the consumer. I can almost guarantee they’re going to roll out a firmware update to address some of the issues.

  • @BeautifulNorfolk
    @BeautifulNorfolk Час назад

    Contemplating replacing my Hero 9 with an Action 5... I’ve got a Pocket 3 and a Mini 4 Pro, great products from DJI. But... I'm hesitating with the Action 5, I'll wait a few weeks before i decide! Thanks for the review 🙂

  • @babyboy1971
    @babyboy1971 4 часа назад +1

    Great review! I’m looking for a small camera to film in lower light and mixed light like malls, shops, and evening walks. Do you think the action 5 would be a good choice for walking tours in evening light or in artificial light? I already have the pocket 3 which I love but I’m looking for a second cam.

  • @LonelyTreeSunset
    @LonelyTreeSunset 2 часа назад

    Two major flaws. 1. The 5 has a very bad habit of over exposing shots, which results in considerable detail loss. 2. The lower max bitrate is a major letdown.

  • @stefw0200
    @stefw0200 Час назад

    People tend to forget that even 100MBit/s is a ridiculous high bitrate, even for 4k footage. If someone still knows MPEG2 codecs for 1080p video, which were (in theory) so far inferior to H.264, H.265, but sees 130MBit h.256 videos with blocks and artefacts, then you know that the hardware compressor is simply of very bad quality. I really wonder why almost no-one talks about how bad so many hardware codecs are nowadays. In MPEG2, when most compressors still worked in software, there were huge(!) difference in quality at same bitrate between them. So DJI answer may be marketing talk, but it should be possible to simply increase H.256 compressor quality by a big step as well

  • @LonelyTreeSunset
    @LonelyTreeSunset 2 часа назад

    Battery life and thermals prioritised over image quality. In many instances, the 4 looks better than the 5.

  • @ThorenTravels
    @ThorenTravels 7 часов назад +1

    Should I get the pocket 3 or action 5? I will mostly do vlogging stuff. I know the Pocket 3 is better for my needs on paper, but the convenience and reliability of the action 5 makes it tempting.

    • @captureguide
      @captureguide  7 часов назад +1

      Hmm, for anything action-y the Action 5 makes sense but if you want to prioritize video quality, create cinematic stuff or need low light performance the Pocket 3 is better. I will be comparing them in more detail soon, but yes the action 5 is more versatile and convenient. Don't have to worry about dropping it or getting it wet, either. Then again, the Pocket 3 is a lot more convenient than a vlogging camera mounted on a gimbal, which is what it is usually compared to.

    • @roninr8199
      @roninr8199 7 часов назад

      ​@@captureguidethe thing is there is no service center in my country and even though like pocket 3 if the screen flip issue happens or gimbal breaks I will have to fly to Thailand nearest country. That's the reason I was waiting for action 5 since 6 months just hoping for 1 inch sensor which did not happen.
      Would fly to Thailand by November until then I have time to decide.
      So if you could do low light test between pocket 3 and action 5 super night mode it would be of great help.
      Also can you share a tutorial how you edited dlogm in davinci if possible.
      Thanks in advance.

    • @EditioCastigata
      @EditioCastigata 2 часа назад

      I recommended two OA4 to a friend. He’s recording courses at home, rarely walking, so for him the performance indoors was important.

  • @4scottishdogs
    @4scottishdogs 4 часа назад

    I nearly purchased but the lower bitrate put me off totally… I am a GoPro buyer mainly but this year thought I might try the OA5 but decided to hold back… hopefully a firmware will fix this… less battery life makes more sense than lower bitrate!

  • @eeeericlin
    @eeeericlin Час назад

    You should do the test with more motion to see if there is artifact

  • @enfieldlover8145
    @enfieldlover8145 6 часов назад

    bro, thank you for doing it.. i bought the action 4 two weeks ago then literally the next day of my first usage out (didnt have time) - i got email 'dji pro is coming'.. damn! :D this lower bitrate scares me. the OOOOVEEERRRRLY used HDR scares me. but i start to see the pattern. dji used that in the 'normal color' for every day user. it still looks like crap to me. there could be a simple setting for that like sharpness etc... off, middle way, full on. Because full on is crappy looking, i would have to record in the log, would have to grade every single footage i shoot. hmm... but if you say you dont see image degrading... i start to think. tho some people mention it, it IS there. the question is when, what conditions etc. great review, thanks!

  • @RamblinManMoto
    @RamblinManMoto 6 часов назад +1

    I don't like on the Action 5 that they removed the option to keep the screen on all the time during recording. Max now is only 10 minutes. May return it all things considered and just buy another Action 4.

    • @rudyyanto260
      @rudyyanto260 5 часов назад

      i think the new OLED screen makes DJI to limit it

  • @LonelyTreeSunset
    @LonelyTreeSunset 2 часа назад

    Just add a high bitrate option, DJI.

  • @EvilDaren
    @EvilDaren 2 часа назад

    I love having opinions on the other side of the spectrum, that 80MB/S is definitely concerning, I was looking to upgrade my Hero 11 to maybe Action 5 or Hero 13 that have 120mb/s

    • @bikingchupei2447
      @bikingchupei2447 Час назад

      you should just install the gopro labs firmware, it allows you to customize the bitrate you desire, you can have it at 200Mb/s if you want.

  • @lxlim
    @lxlim 3 часа назад

    Thanks for the comparisons, qyuck question since you also have P3 and the mic 2. How easy is it to switch the mic back and fort. Is it seamless can switch easily out in the wild, or do you need to reconnect every single time? Thanks!

  • @SilatShooter
    @SilatShooter 4 часа назад +1

    Arghhh, wish I had seen this sooner. I put my Action 4 up for sale, anticipating to buy the Action 5. How are you the first to bring this up?!? Didn't even think to look at that.

    • @johnsojourn9114
      @johnsojourn9114 2 минуты назад

      It's literally all anyone is talking about, except for the previewers that had to send their videos to dji to sign off on and couldn't mention anything negative under strict nda.

  • @ExploringCanadaInfo
    @ExploringCanadaInfo 4 часа назад

    Nice stability when you walked down the stairs at end of the video. Where can I get your DJI LUT?

    • @mdenjoyer831
      @mdenjoyer831 4 часа назад

      it's the free lut that dji gives you

  • @SmanEDITS
    @SmanEDITS 4 часа назад

    Best review out there

  • @whatsnottohike
    @whatsnottohike 10 часов назад +2

    I think they've rushed this out because there seems to be a few issues with it, especially the HDR footage. The outside of trees etc look nuclear! The sharpness is way too high and the overall quality i don't think looks as good as the action 4. This could be like when windows released windows Vista. They couldn't wait to release Windows 7! I imagine the action 6 could be released soon!

    • @captureguide
      @captureguide  9 часов назад

      I think they'll stick to the yearly release cycle, if they released the 6 so soon there would be a lot of unhappy buyers! It does feel a bit rushed, hopefully they will be good about improving it with firmware updates!

    • @SPreeti-oc9kb
      @SPreeti-oc9kb 8 часов назад +3

      @@captureguide They used a qualcomm chipset in this one which is a powerhouse really, dji so far has only scratched the surface of its capabilities. I wanna buy action 5 pro but the night mode low light footage so far on all reviews look jittery. Do you think the low bitrate issue, the low light flare and jitter issue, the hdr issues are fixable with ota updates?

    • @captureguide
      @captureguide  8 часов назад

      Can only speculate at the moment. There's no official statement whether these things will or can be fixed. I think we will see improvements, but I'd say you should wait a bit longer before buying it unless you need it asap.

    • @JaredDoyle76
      @JaredDoyle76 7 часов назад

      "Windows" didn't release Windows Vista or Windows 7. Microsoft did that. Microsoft had a very long and troubled development history behind Windows Vista, which is why it was a terrible version of Windows. For the DJI Osmo Action 5 Pro, the concerns in this video are completely within firmware updates, not hardware limitations. And, no, the Action 6 will not be released "soon". It will be release this time next year.

    • @gregoryowain2073
      @gregoryowain2073 5 часов назад

      @@SPreeti-oc9kb The jitters will just be a result of the stabilisation struggling with low shutter speeds. It's a matter of physics, so unless you have a camera that can handle really high ISOs well you'll need a gimbal to smooth everything out. Thankfully there's a few options that are pretty cheap these days.

  • @Dominik-iv6ek
    @Dominik-iv6ek 6 часов назад

    any chance for longer and low light comparison against pocket 3?

  • @MaxoticsTV
    @MaxoticsTV 4 часа назад +2

    Everything one watches is in 8-bit. 3840 x 2160 at 24 fps would take up 1,593 Megabits per second if you wanted each pixel to have a full color. So 120 Mbps is around 8% of the original data (assuming 24 fps!). So 90 would be 6%. The 2% difference in the scheme of things would be difficult to notice. As DJI pointed out, higher bitrates mean more power consumption. If you tried to capture RAW sensor data from an action cam the device would probably explode, or at least melt ;) I don't own either device but it looks to me like the 5 has more "HDR" processing, like that found in phones. If you like that computer assisted look the 5 is good. If you don't, the 4 is better, my guess.

  • @rockels_journals
    @rockels_journals 2 часа назад

    They did the same at Gopro from the 11 to the 12. I owned both and did some tests with it. The bittrates on the 12 were way lower.
    Logical because they said they had increased battery life and addressed the overheating. While it was still the very same hardware (they removed the GPS), this should have been done by firmware.
    Lower bitrates is less processing. Less processing is less power draw and less heat generation. And voila! Especially the resolutions and framerates they had advertised having a longer runtime with the overheating resolved, all had a drastic drop in bitrate compared to the 11.
    Do DJI probably took the same path here...

    • @bikingchupei2447
      @bikingchupei2447 Час назад

      how low is it on the 12? if i do 4k60 standard bitrate no hdr the bitrate is 60Mbs on my 11.

    • @rockels_journals
      @rockels_journals 33 минуты назад

      @@bikingchupei2447 4K30 was about the same on the the Hero11 and Hero12 in my tests
      Hero11
      - 1080p30 / 35Mps
      - 4K30 / 45Mps
      - 1080p60 / 45Mps
      - 4K60 / 60Mps
      Hero12
      - 1080p30 / 17Mps
      - 4K30 / 45Mps
      - 1080p60 / 30Mps
      - 4K60 / 50Mps

    • @rockels_journals
      @rockels_journals 29 минут назад

      @@bikingchupei2447 Sorry, I thought for a moment that you had asked for 4K30, I was typing/ reading on my phone. But 4K60 makes a difference yes.
      The biggest difference is on 1080p30 as you can see. That resolution which they had advertised having a big leap in runtime/battery life and no overheating.
      Well they jad just cut the bitrates in half haha

    • @bikingchupei2447
      @bikingchupei2447 45 секунд назад

      @@rockels_journals do you have the actual bitrate numbers for the 12 at any video resolution, i wanna see if the 11 is really higher.

  • @yoochul6215
    @yoochul6215 Час назад

    How much is the action 5 pro in yen?

  • @petrub27
    @petrub27 3 часа назад

    maybe it has more dynamic range than the previous models, but same rubbish image quality; pocket 3 is still better

  • @michaelmiklosofficial
    @michaelmiklosofficial 7 часов назад +1

    Each product is different in there own way. Action 5 only has a bit rate of 60 MBps bitrate therefore for cinematic i vote for Gopro 12/13 where bit can go 120 MBps plus. Thanks

  • @harshitsxxd
    @harshitsxxd 6 часов назад +3

    The daylight captures from gopro hero 13 looks so better and more cinematic, the highlights are actually bright unlike the action 5 pro where it tries to capture everything and footage just looks artificial and over do, what's your thoughts on new Hero 13?

    • @HooktOnCarolina
      @HooktOnCarolina 4 часа назад +3

      The hero 13 is blowing out the highlights. That’s a problem. You can’t get that data back in post but you can fix the color grade issues in the action 5. And increase brightness if you want.
      For your every day user that does not do a lot of editing, color grading, etc then go pro is fine. But personally I’d rather have that data that I can improve than not have it at all with the Go Pro.

    • @mtbohana
      @mtbohana 3 часа назад +1

      @@HooktOnCarolina That's an easy fix for the GoPro, EV Comp -0.5. You will see this recommended by a lot of the Pro's who use GoPro's.

    • @HooktOnCarolina
      @HooktOnCarolina 2 часа назад

      @@mtbohana which then in turn crushes blacks further. Always a trade off

    • @mtbohana
      @mtbohana 2 часа назад +1

      @HooktOnCarolina Nope, it doesn't crush blacks.

    • @bingbong6127
      @bingbong6127 2 часа назад

      ​@@mtbohanayes it does, DJI action 5 absolutely smashes the GoPro in dynamic range, it's not even close, it simply records more detail in both the highlights and the shadows and for someone that is decent at colour grading it's a no brainer. The only issue with the action 5 is the bitrate and hopefully it will be fixed in the next firmware update. Low light is also vastly superior on the action 5.

  • @EditioCastigata
    @EditioCastigata 3 часа назад +1

    0:13 Something is wrong with your audio. Maybe the mic is too close to your mouth?