Shoei GT-Air II Helmet VS. Scorpion EXO-ST1400 Helmet | Sportbike Track Gear
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I can't help but feel that Brian has a soft spot for Shoei! Sorry mate! more expensive isn't always better :)
I own both Shoei and Scorpion helmets and let me share some quick facts after using both brands....on the road and track
Scorpion ST1400 (EXO 1400 Air Europe) Amazingly light weight, quite and very very aero dynamic. There's ZERO lift, buffeting or vibration at speed. I have a Sena S20 installed on mine and the speakers fit perfectly. My only 2 small gripes with the Scorpion is the ventilation. It's quite decent at the chin bar and visor city position but the top vent flows very little air! The drop down sun visor is not the best to be honest. It's not optically correct and yes, it's not sturdy
I don't own the Shoei GT Air ii but I have a Shoei RF1200 and compare it to the Scorpion R2000 (S2000 Evo Air in Europe) I also have.
Long story short, the Scorpion is better in every way! IT's much cheaper, lighter, quieter and more stable at speed. The liner material in the Scorpion is also a lot more comfortable. Plus as Brian pointed out, once any helmet breaks in it becomes a bit loose. This is remedied by Scorpion's Airfit system.
Overall Scorpion is better to be honest.
Hope this helps :)
No soft spots nor favoritism here, just trying to serve up an honest opinion. I have been a big fan of the Scorpion brand from day 1, tons of videos filled with love for Scorpion. IMO Scorpion helmets offer the best overall value in helmets today. There are things about the GT Air II that are a little better than the ST-1400, these differences are slight. It is up to the individual to decide if the extra spend makes sense for them.
The quality of the Shoei is better than that of the Scorpion, that said the difference is not massive. - Van
@@sportbiketrackgear I definitely a saw that you had a bit of a soft spot in my opinion.
Agree definitely leaning towards Shoei, even if not intentional
@@TudorRebel the quality is night and day between the two brands. so is the price point.
Jordan Truppner Er so what has to do with what I’ve said?
Scorpion seems like the better bang for the buck.
@Trevor Antonio shut the fuck up
@@hfl_ Lmaooo, I honest to god don't know who would fall for their shitty scam
I own both. Sizing is in fact different. My head is right in between the Shoei medium and large. This means a Shoei large fits great off the shelf but quickly relaxes to be too loose for me. The Shoei medium fits too tight initially but after wearing it for a few thousand miles it was an acceptable fit.
For me the scorpion Large fits a goldilocks just right. It's the primary reason I made the switch. The reason the reviewer had less nose room is that a medium scorpion is smaller than a Shoei medium and the sizing chart reflects that.
The Shoei is quieter, the scorpion is still reasonably quiet.
The scorpion is lighter, and you can feel the difference noticeably.
I also own the Scorpion R1 which is a track focused helmet that is also worn by Fabio Quatararo on the factory Yamaha motogp team.
The R1 and ST1400 share the same visors. Personally I find it nice to have extra visors available. I learned the hardway last summer when I laid my bike down on the track that it's handy to have an extra helmet with you. The bike was fine, the helmet was not, so i couldn't ride again until the next day.
Glasses fit better in the scorpion for sure!
The fabric in the scorpion feels better. My girlfriend hated the inside feel of every helmet she tried on before she tried a Scorpion. She wouldn't ride with me because she's that picky. The fabric just feels softer less "function only" and more pleasant.
The Shoei's tinted visor is better, not just from how far it drops, I think it's darker as well.
I haven't worn the Scorpion in temperatures over 80f yet, but ventilation seems on par.
ECE rating on the Scorpion. The Shoei gt-air has a separate edition for europe. This tells me that the US version cannot in fact meet ECE or Snell.
Primarily from a fit perspective I favor the Scorpion. The only things I'd change on the scorpion are the interval visor hue and I'd quiet it up some.
The things I'd change on the Shoei are how glasses fit and I'd have it lose a few pounds. I'd suggest sizing, but every head is different and it might be perfect for you.
Thanks for sharing your feedback. - Van
Hey Andrew curious about the air system. I have a scorpion 1200 freeway and just ordered the 1400 carbon. My air bladder from new has always lost pressure fairly quickly, I’d say within 10 minutes. If I pump it up tight you can feel it start to loosen right away. Is it this way on yours or does it hold its pressure for an acceptable amount of time?
i started to watch in 1.5 speed. Helps A LOT!
like night and day, thanks for the tip!
Showing the fit with glasses is essential. I really appreciate that. And i hope you continue doing in your next helmet reviews, Brian.
For those riders, that wear glasses and are looking for more choices in helmets, i can really recommend Shark. Their helmets leave ample room even for larger frames and don't interfere with glasses at all. Works really well with their large integrated sun visors, too.
I tried the scorpion helmet yestyrday and one of the biggest things is field of view, scorpion helmet had the best fov of all helmets i have used!
Can we get a comparison between the gt air 2 and the RPHA 70 ST? Or is there even a comparison to make, is the Shoei that much better?
I just got me a Shoei GT air 2 crossbar graphics in white and blue, sure it has all the safety features, design engineering and looks/ feels premium. But I bought it because it’s super comfortable and fits me perfectly! Watching you from the UK great review 👍
Thank you for watching! - Van
Thanks for the review, I’m upgrading from a scorpion 1200 to the 1400 carbon and appreciated the comparison as I was cross shopping both of these. I chose the scorpion for the weight saving, and I use a cardo system so I didn’t want the sena pods. I also appreciate the fact that you respond to the comments because the internet comment section is a aggravating place that tests my patience :)
You are welcome and thanks for watching. IMO you will be very happy with the 1400. That is a lot of helmet for a fair price. - Van
KB I am going through the same dilemma…. I found the quality of the new 1400 nowhere near as good as the 1200. And Shoei and HJC decided to put crap right where I mount my Sena 20s…. Its like these companies go out of their way to piss me off…. I wound up finding a leftover GT Air 1….. probably the last one in existence.
Never apologize for that shirt Brian. You're giving the people what they want.
I own the European exo1400 air and i can tell you one thing, the helmet runs hot and louder especially when you have a comm installed and that sucks because i live in india where the temperature is hovering around 35-40°C.
The build quality though is exceptional for the price and beats the shoei in most areas. It's also lighter and imo nicer to wear.
Very helpful video man! Greetings from Greece!
Thank you for watching! - Van
One of the things that I find important in a full face helmet and never tested is a "crap open" visor setting. Often I need a little more air and open the visor just a little. A good feature would be a setting for the visor just open a bit and stay open!
I have never really ridden with the shield open at all. On the track you would never do that and this is where pretty much all of my riding is being done now. Moving forward we will try to add this to our helmet reviews. - Van
Quick note: I have the 1400 and the extra shield is actually the one with the pinlock posts, whereas the installed one doesn't have the posts. So basically, you get the treated shield and the pinlock ready shield.
First time I own a Scorpion.. I would say it is the BEST VALUE for my money. I owned top of the line AGV Pista and Corsa R Helmets.. I wam happier with the scorpion considering what I pay for and what I get.. I just wish they can put the sunscreen lower like the Shoei but not a deal breaker for the price and other good stuffs.. That's about it really.
Hi Brian, love your videos! I have a much older EXO-1100, and I am looking to the 1400 as an upgrade. How does the fit of the new model compare to the 1100? These are not readily available in NZ for me to go and try on.
Sizing in similar IMO with a much nicer fit overall from the ST-1400. Scorpion really did a great job with this helmet. - Van
How about water proof? I had a Bell M1 and it was leaking rain water inside of it like a flood :D. It was nightmare, impossible to clear water inside of the shield while riding
I have had Shoei GT Air mk1 and...the only thing I liked about it was its looks and graphics. The Fit on my head was so weird I had to go size up making me look like a baby with a giant head. The outer shield had such a strong spring mechanism I thought they have used the car suspension coils to get this lovely resistance and the side opening on outer visor would mess the pinlock insert position due to twisting every time I opened up the visor, making the pinlock pretty much useless and ALWAYS steaming up on one side, even just on colder days without rain... Overall the worst £470 uk pounds I spent on the motorcycle gear...
Luckily I was able to sell it on eBay, then "downgrade" to HJC is17 which is tested in HJCs own wind tunnel, has a dedicated recess for pinlock in outer visor so it does not move and fits perfectly... all at 4th of the price.
I can see Shoei have not addressed any of those issues in their mk2, but hey people, will still buy it for the brand name.
Thanks Van for a no bullshit all business review and comparison (checked out all the videos on st1400, 2020 helmet guide etc). Ordered a scorpion, quite excited! They had 16% off on the "Grand" white graphic on the distributor in Sweden. Lacking in sizes on other graphics so was a bit limited on options (thanks Corona). But with 16% off I could buy 2 extra lenses (gold and purple, f*** yes I dig purple). Would've gotten the R1 model but for long cruises I don't want to shift lenses and bring spares because of shifting weather. So drop-down visor will make things adaptable on the fly and those bitching lenses for hometown street riding. And the Scorpions looks are top notch! Oh, and I wear prescription glasses so scorpion got a 1Up there.
Let us know how you like the helmet after you get a chance to ride in it. - Van
Will an external Bluetooth unit clip on the outside of the Shoei? I've already got a Cardo unit which I'm happy with and there's not way I'd spend the dosh buying the Sena built in version, not least 'cos you can' t really change lid brand /model at a later date (that's marketing for you).
You could still use a universal unit if you prefer. - Van
I tried both today when shopping for a helmet. The scorpion was a better fit form me and it was much better with my eye glasses. Love the Shoei and really wanted to buy it, but in the end the scorpion was more comfortable.
There is no replacement for a great fitting helmet. - Van
You think there will be an upgraded SRL2 down the line?
I was actually aiming to get the neotec 2 last year but ended up passing on it because mesh looks to be the obvious gold standard in comm-systems and the SRL is a Bluetooth only device.
This year's SRL did the same mistake (in my opinion) which makes me wanna pass on the GT Air 2 as well.
Sure it looks super great, but a packtalk slim isn't all that far behind and combined with GT Air 1 it is the same helmet engineering, better communicator tech at a much lower price.
Can't wrap my head around this priority made by Sena in this partnership.
I do not have the answer you are looking for. This video focuses on the install only, not the features or use of the SRL2. The instructions they send with the unit are not very good which is why we shot this. - Van
I am interested to buy tha Scorpion, would the Carbon option be as good as the non Carbon for noise and such?
The performance of the helmets would be identical. - Van
I had this 2 helmets for one week. But I have not used them. So, I am going to review them!. Just in case you can not read the specs. What a star!
In the past 15 years I have owned and ridden in no less than 75 different helmets. On top of that I have worn, torn apart and reviewed many more. That is the experience I am pulling from when I review a helmet. Show me someone with more experience... - Van
@@sportbiketrackgear I fucked hundreds of girls, still I need to fuck one to know how she behaves. Julio Iglesias.
My beard would make Santa jealous but it was no match for the shoei chin curtain. That thing grabs facial hair and eats it for breakfast lunch and dinner
What would you recommend for a touring helmet with quick release cheek pads for around the 400$ mark? The ST1400, or the Bell Star? Thanks
For a touring helmet I would go with the ST1400 over the Star. - Van
@@sportbiketrackgear thanks!
Afaik Shoei does different Shells for different markets and it seems they skip not needed certifications for the US market. In Europe the GT Air II has ECE.
Many of the brands are producing different helmets for each market at this point. Data shows that riders from different countries have different shaped heads. Asia is rounder than the US for example. While I am sure there are exceptions best practice is to buy a helmet from the country you live in to ensure you have the proper cert and shape. - Van
Replacing my aging EXO T1200. Bought the new EXO 1400. Not of the same quality anymore. The Shoei and HJC decided that it would be a great idea to put crap in the same location I would mount my Sena 20S system…. Uggh!!! I lime my system and don’t want to spend more money to replace a perfectly fine com system. Not too many drop down visor options out there. Its a great feature to not have on my next helmet. Time to scour the interweb and find a closeout GT Air.
I have both a 1200 and 1400. IMO the 1400 is a much nicer helmet. - Van
Hello,
I am going to buy scorpion soon enough... can you tell me some(a little cheap) intercom systems that it will fit perfectly on scorpion?
Thank you.
These helmets are designed to work well with all of the universal systems on the market today. I am not the best resource for info on the intercom systems to be fair. - Van
i use a uclear amp but really only use it for tunes
Hey Brian. I have a big doubt...
Does the retention system of exo 1400 is good? Is it reliable?
I really want to buy it, but i don't like too much that system.
Appreciate your time.
Big hug
Yes the retention system on the ST-1400 is not an issues at all. The helmets we all snowmobile in use this design and I have zero issues riding in them. - Van
@@sportbiketrackgear thank you very much!
Was the Scorpion good in windprotection? Thanks for the good info video. 👍
Yes the Scorpion performed very well while riding in it. Excellent aerodynamics. - Van
@@sportbiketrackgear Thanks for the response. 👍
Why not add the Rpha 70 in the comparison ?
That's what I went with myself... But to be fair, he can't really include every helmet that plays in this relm... These are just 2 "new" models, so he's comparing them.
If the scorpion st1400 had a longer internal visor it would be a wrap
This comes down to opinion, I guess. I have an RF1200 but after 6 hours of straight riding, it hurts. So got the st1400 based on just about every review says it is the best “cruiser” helmet on the market if you hate Sena(which I do). We will see ... get it Saturday. May or may not return it.
Hi Mike, how has the scorpion worked out for you?
How did you go with the scorpion. Still good.
Are you using the cardo packtalk with it?
Anita Hanjaab Yeah, cardo is really nice. I ended up going with another shoei rf1200 as well.
Hello Brian, does the scorpion come with a dark faceshield visor , cuz i heard that it comes with 2 visors packed . thank you !
No the ST-1400 has a tinted drop down inner shield so the outer needs to be clear. If you want to install a tinted outer you can order one up. This would make the drop down inner pretty much useless as the 2 used at the same time would be too dark to ride with safely. - Van
@@sportbiketrackgear Thank you for your time and I appreciate it Sir ! , also your videos are awesome , Respect from europe :)
@@azelilazi6857 If you find the st1400 in europe, you may get both clear and tinted visors. I have the st1400 and it came with both visors and a pinlock insert.
@@DenvarShay can confirm. I'm in the Netherlands. Scorpion 1400 carbon matte came new with one if each. Don't know if that was from Scorpion or the Motor clothing store I went to, as I bought a medium with tinted visor mounted, and the sales person just pulled a clear scorpion with a label small from their stock. The visors are interchangeable between these sizes, so the sticker only referred to another scorpion shelf model.
I have 3 Shoei's and 3 Scorpions, and the Scorpions are all a lot quieter than the Shoei's. Unless you are looking to impress the neighbors I would get a Scorpion.
Tons of value in the Scorpion for sure. Thanks for taking the time to share your feedback! - Van
I can't figure out if the scorpion st1400 carbon or hjc rpha 70st carbon is better?
Im trying to decide between these two as well
While I will say I like them both if I were the one making the choice I would go with the Scorpion myself. End of the day they are both good helmets but the overall quality, fit and finish of the Scorpion is a bit better. - Van
While I will say I like them both if I were the one making the choice I would go with the Scorpion myself. End of the day they are both good helmets but the overall quality, fit and finish of the Scorpion is a bit better. - Van
Just bought the GT Air II (owned the GT Air for ages) and taking it back. Very loud and cold air blasting into each ear, very loud and freezing cold. Seems air is flowing around the outside of the cheek pads and around the shell. Poor show.
I’m thinking of getting the Scorpion Exo 1400 instead.
How does the scorpion compare to an agv k5s?
I would say both of these are good lids. The K5S does offer more intake vents so I would expect a bit more air flow from it (not massive but notable). The Scorpion does offer the airfit cheek pads which help get the fit really dialed in, nice feature. With all that said I will say I really like this ST1400, Scorpion did a great job with it IMO. - Van
@@sportbiketrackgear I'm thinking of getting the scorpion, I have the k5s right now and I want to try the airfit feature, I've heard it helps block out some wind noise as well.
How loud are they?
I have not ridden in the GT Air but I have ridden in the ST-1400. IMO the 1400 is a relatively quiet helmet. - Van
Yeah. I love double Ds.
You are not alone my friend.
You didn’t talk about the noise comparison which is reason why i choose the gt 2
I have not ridden in the GT Air 2 only the Scorpion. - Van
@@sportbiketrackgear i just taught when reviewing an helmet is a good thing to talk about noise comparison also. There is a RUclipsr who took then data and gt air 2 is the best.
By the way i watch all your videos you are very professional! Continue making them please and make a review for the racing 3 d-air jacket please if you can
Can you do a video on the exo491?
It does not look like this helmet has been release in the US. We only cover the products that are available here in the US. - Van
How can you give a review if you haven't ridden with the Helmut's? I'm out.
I have ridden in and own pretty much every helmet we recommend here at STG. While these are both solid helmets they are not the style I ride in with the majority of my riding being on the track at this point. That said I have worn, ridden in, taken apart and put back together more helmets than anyone in this space personally. This experience is more than enough to form an educated opinion. - Brian Van
for the glasses try hjc helmets
We have found most of the HJC models play nice with glasses. - Van
Amazing video bro, I like your all videos, bcoz I am also a biker by heart, I am a beginner at RUclips take a look at my channel too 😊😊
And please make a video on Kawasaki Ninja 400 vs Kawasaki Ninja 650, I am so confusing that which bike I have to choose, ninja 400 is just 1lakh cheaper then ninja 650 here in India, but ninja 400 looks like track and touring and ninja 650 looks like only for tour, can we also do better cornering on ninja 650 on Race Tracks ??
Please give your views on both of these beautiful machines Ninja 400 and Ninja 650 ..
It may be the the first video on RUclips bcoz right now no comparison video of ninja 400 and ninja 650 available on RUclips ..
i currently use a Shoei NXR and a Scorpion Exo 2000evo Air and i must say the Scorpion is much better and the Shoei is a disapointment i was expecting a better helmet, i also do regular track days and this Shoei GT Air2 is not allowed on any uk track days as it does not have the double D chin strap big mistake Shoei BIG Oooops im afraid, so looks like another scorpion for me.
IMO both of these helmets are more of a street helmet than a track helmet. I am not a fan of the drop down inner shields on the track. - Van
Bryan I am looking for a high quality full face carbon helmet under $1k, street use. What would be your top choice , no AGV please. Thx again.
Have you looked into LS2?
Can we get a comparison between the gt air 2 and the RPHA 70 ST? Or is there even a comparison to make, is the Shoei that much better?
bell Pro star
Is a bad ass helmet!
I would go with the Scorpion ST-1400, looks amazing in person. - Van
Just bought the Shoei. First ride finished at the local cafe, where I realized the clever new micro-adjust chin strap fastener can’t attach to the bike’s helmet lock!
(One might advance an argument against locking a $1000 helmet on the bike 😁, but still an annoyance.)
P.S. the Bluetooth rig is pretty trick.
There is no perfect in life my man. Even the prettiest of girls have been known to break wind. - Van
wearing my Scorpion as I'm watching this
Kick ass helmet isn't it? - Van
Sportbike Track Gear it sure is buddy, nice video
I'm sorry, but are you seriously suggesting certification is the same even though the gt air 2 doesn't have anything but DOT certification? Until both helmets have the same certification you can't even compare them.
I disagree, these helmets are very comparable to one another. The DOT standard is not a bad standard. The biggest issue with it is the fact it is on the honor system and the helmets do not have to be sent in for testing. With a reputable brand like Shoei I have full confidence the helmet will pass testing for the DOT standard and protect the rider in the event of a crash as well as any other full face with a drop down inner shield would. - Van
You can compare anything, just as you did in your comment. Silly point, really.
The exo 1400 meeting ece 22.06 way back then is a much bigger deal, ece 22.06 is a way safer standard
The 1400 is an excellent helmet that delivers a ton of value. - Van
How can you review a helmet without riding it? It seems pointless in my opinion. How is the field of vision, the wind noise, etc???
I own and have ridden in over 75 helmets over the past few decades. Over the same period I have worn (in the shop), reviewed and taken apart hundreds of helmets. This experience is what makes it possible to give a reasonable review of a helmet without riding in it. With helmets that are on our list of core products I make a point of riding in them. The GT Air II is not on that list. - Van
Which has better field of vision?
I would say the field of vision between the 2 is very comparable. - Van
Someone commented that the Scorpion had the best field of view.
I don't own or have an preference for either of these but you're really bias for the Shoei.
IMO they are both excellent helmets. If anything I was trying not to lean to hard towards the Scorpion.The ST-1400 is a great helmet that sells at a fair price. - Van
Ventilation and aerodynamics I would disagree with his opinion especially since he didn’t even ride with them. I’d bet that rating not being ece was the strap. Lying because one costs more makes a lot sense but it’s embarrassing as a company to not check that.
How many helmets have you ridden in? The Shoei is not ECE because this helmet is being sold in the US market and requires the DOT not ECE. Additionally Shoei is using Snell and DOT or DOT only here in the US. Take you lying comment and go away with that bullshit Mr Wizard. - Van
Bought the Scorpion! See my channel for the unboxing.
You can’t provide a useful review without trying the helmets on the road. If you want good, as in meaningful, reviews, go to Fortnine.
I ride in all of the full face, race style helmets on the track. I have ridden in the Scorpion and feel it is an excellent helmet. No plans to ride in the Shoei at this time. - Van
"I haven't used them"....just wow
I have owned and ridden in over 75 helmets personally. Over the past couple of decades I have also reviewed hundreds of helmets. You're welcome - Van
So basically, if you can't afford the premium Shoei, just settle for the Scorpion.
I don't look at it like settling, the Scorpion is an excellent helmet and will perform very close to the Shoei. Sure there are things about the Shoei that are better, small differences IMO. If you prefer top level stuff and can afford the Shoei you will like the helmet. If you have to stretch to buy the Shoei save the money and go with the Scorpion, it's a great helmet. - Van
I can easily afford any helmet on the market including the AGV Pista. It doesn't mean it's the right helmet for me. For me, a lighter helmet that can accept a variety of coms and costs at least a bill less than the Shoei, is a no brainer.
The side shield opening in combination with super strong spring mechanism on Shoei makes the pinlock pointless. It maked the pinlock to move every time you open the shield and causes it to steam up in rain, or colder days. Will never spend that much money on Shoei again.
I have the Pinlock lens in my Shoei X-14 and do not have that problem. This would be the first time I have heard this. Are you sure you had the lens installed properly? - Van
@@sportbiketrackgear Yes, I have tried everything and this was not my first motorcycle helmet. I also got a
the replacement shield for the Shoei, under warranty and still the same issue so I narrowed it down to the two issues I mentioned above.
I now have hjc helmet for half the price..no issues at all.
This guy needs a bigger shirt..
Why are you obsessed with my shirt? Personally I think it is awesome. - Van
Not obsessed by any means, just makes you look silly in my opinion. I enjoy the videos! Thanks Van
Ridiculous that you haven't actually worn them. Schill
We are focused on sport riding on the street and the track. I have about 75 helmets in my personal collection that I have ridden on which gives me a lot of experience to pull from. This video is intended to illustrate the differences between these two models. If you don't like the video don't watch it. - Van