How To Fill Out Your Logbook - MzeroA Flight Training
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- Опубликовано: 27 апр 2024
- m0a.com Do you log time based on Hobbs or Tach? What's the difference between PIC & Solo? In this quick video I'll take you column by column showing you how to properly fill out your logbook.
to anyone who's interested, the logbook shown in the video is a Gleim logbook available at Aircraft Spruce. This more closely represents the way I fill out my Sporty's logbook so when I use it up I'm going to get me a Gleim.
Excellent video, Jason. I really like your remarks on 'Remarks'!
Great point about adding a few more key notes in the comments to recall each unique flight experience!
Every pilot needs to see this. My first few instructors logged time wrong! Now I have 5 years of messy nonsense and my commercial examiner turned me away for it!! Please know how to proper log time and teach people that way!!!
Hobbs time makes since in my mind. My reasoning being: taxi-time (especially getting taxi clearance and ) is part of "flying". If you screw up a taxi clearance for a check flight, I'm pretty sure the examiner will take note. Also, I think of it sorta like parking your car. You have to do it for most drivers' exams if you're taking a test and it's just "part of the mission".
Hello Jason, thanks for these awesome videos!
Nice little refresher!
hey Jason I have been a young eagle for several months and loving it but I am always nervous before takeoff for some reason and today this morning at 1:00 am we got issued a high wind watch fir wind gusts to 45 55 60 or even higher wind gusts with being under the gun for severe t storms tonight
hey Jason I love flying love it and a suggestion for you with certain types of flyers very good flyers brave then you should have it easy vs nervous flyers like me try to help them to relax before takeoff vs fearful flyer take it slow step by step until your in the air and again until you land
Great I needed this.
Jason, do you or can do a short video on properly logging simulator time please. I read the latest AC 61-136B Appendix D.3 which covers this. Simple questions here because ForeFlight allows to fill in columns you need to understand. I think there is a lot of confusion of claiming PIC and total duration of flight or total time. I have used the rule of adding sim time and total time to equal cat/class total, example 10 ASEL with 5 in a sim, 5 in an actual plane where the later 5 was under total duration of flight or infamous total time. I don't log it often myself but looking for clear accuracy please
Something to remember that you didn't mention, is, there is nothing that says a logbook entry has to be all on one line. Often as a CFI, and especially in the early flights (lessons 1 - 5ish) I will write everything in the remarks column that I did with the student. Preflight, engine start, taxi (call ATC) run up, takeoff, etc etc. Sometimes it will take 4 or 5 lines. But, the student can remember the flight better, and as a CFI I can prove that I covered everything the FARs require for solo, and certificates.
Hi Jason, where do you recommend logging SIC time if your logbook doesn't have a SIC column?
Thank you I learn something as a pilot always learning
Hi Jason, First, thank you for all the videos. I have following question in regards to logging PIC time.
I have PPL and so does my friend. Both are current and rated on C-172. I was asked to be Safety Pilot wile my friend practice IFR flying and approach under the hood in VFR condition. We went out and flew total of 1.8 Hobbs time cross country of ~60nm. My friend logged 1.7 as in IFR Sim under hood. 0.1 was taxi / take off / landing after hood was off. Friend mentioned that I can log full 1.8 as my PIC.
I read a lot on the net and what I am understanding is I should only log 1.7 as PIC. Since, I was not technically PIC for 0.1 where and / or how should I mentioned that 0.1 in my log book? I thought about SIC, but C-172 doesn't require SIC. I don't want to ghost 0.1 or be questions by DPE when I go for my IFR check ride.
As of now, I made a category in one of the blank column in my logbook as SIC and logged 0.1. I put remark in comments sections that entire flight was in the hood with exception of 0.1 for taxi / take off and landing. Also, I did not log 1.7 or 1.8 as X-Country based on my research. please confirm that is what I've logged is correct?
Thanks for the help on this!
Hey Jason, question for you. If you are logging instrument training time in a simulator. A FAA approved simulator, and the simulator is set up to be a complex and or high-performance aircraft, can you log high performance, and or complex time in your logbook. You are still including the simulator time in your total time, but I understand you are not, including time for single or multi engine, because it is not the actual airplane. I was told by some CFI’s that if you have a simulator set up with retractable gear and constant speed prop, you could still log those entries. Please clarify this.
Great ideas i will be using some to sharpen up my logbook entry's. What do you mean about not using the "ALL XCountry" column unless you're wanting to get your ATP?
+Aviator 15 Another good question! FAR 61.1 defines cross country as anytime that you navigate to and land at an airport other than the original airport of departure thence "all cross country" would be just that.
Cross country time you log for the purpose of a obtaining a private, instrument or commercial certificate/rating in airplanes (FAR 61.101(c) I think) must include a landing at an airport at least 50nm from the original airport of departure so it's most important to know how much of your x/c time satisfies this requirement. The experience requirements for ATP do not discriminate between 50nm or not, it just says 500 hours of cross country time. I've also heard "all x/c" is good to show on an application for a part 135 job.
can you please give me a link and name for this exact logbook,this looks like very comprehensive and i like that.I am from UK and couldn't find anywhere like that.P
"What each column means in the logbook" is the appropriate title.
Thanks for this video, Jason! Easily one of the least obvious aspects of flight training and then you get to preparing for the checkride and realize everything you've been working toward depends on what's in your logbook! Important to get it right.
I like how zululog separates out flight remarks and flight comments. The remarks show up in the log but the comments are only visible if you drill into a specific entry. That makes it easy to identify your currency flights at a glance, and you can make notes like 'lunch with Bob'.
How would I transfer correctly my times from one logbook the another.
I use to do civil air patrol and we had both self pump and line fill up. I like the self pump because I can make sure to get the right fuel for the plane
thank you for this video
can you show us maneuvering during slow flight and thank you ?
Jason, How would I log hours if I own my own plane? How would the DPE verify these hours are correct since this is my own plane and not a rental.
Thanks for your help
Hi. In jeppesen's standard logbook there's no "year" field and "day and night" section for t/o and landings. And there's only night in "conditions of flight" section. How can I log them?
For the 3 leg >150 nm xc how does one manage the three airports in these sections? I have this same logbook.
+MzeroA
You mentioned flying under the hood and having a safety pilot. It's my understanding that this co-pilot is at that point the PIC. Correct? So would they log that time, while left seat is under the hood, under the PIC column? What about the leaf seat pilot who's under the hood, what column would they log that time?
+Eric Gravel (Canadian Flying Bacon) I was wanting to know for sure the same thing. But to my understanding both get to log it as PIC because Mr left seat is controlling the aircraft and Mr right seat is the person responsible for traffic awareness and avoidance. Mr right seat wouldn't be able to stay current if he logged SIC.The FARs state that you can not log SIC unless the aircraft requires two flight deck crew members (FAR 61.55) so that throws out both the example above and the question "can Mr right seat log SIC?" Do not take my word as truth I could be way off. Consult the FARs in section 61.51 and 91.109 to start and use the index in the back to do your own research. Hope that helps. Your thoughts Mr Schappert?
+Aviator 15 All based on US FAR's of course, keep in mind, logging PIC and acting as PIC are technically two different entities. The person acting as PIC under FAR 91.3 is the final authority as to the operation of the aircraft and must be qualified to do so (ie. must have ratings and endorsements appropriate to the aircraft flown and the operation under which the flight is being conducted (VFR vs IFR) and be current to act as PIC) Logging of PIC under FAR 61.51 means time that you are the sole manipulator of the controls. So, if the safety pilot agrees to act as PIC then technically both can pilots can legally log time as PIC.
Alternatively, FAR 61.55 also states "or in operations requiring a second-in-command pilot flight crewmember" and FAR 91.109 requires more than one crewmenber for simulated inst. then technically you can log time as SIC. Personally, I don't bother with logging SIC and just log PIC time only for the time that the other pilot is under the hood and I have a "custom" column in my logbook for time as safety pilot so I can keep track of it, however that's totally up to the individual. Hope that clears things up. Fly safe!
+TonyTheFlyer Thanks
+Aviator 15 Yup! Hope it wasn't too complicated (like the FAR's aren't too complicated to begin with, right? ;-) Every time I think I understand I'll read them again and learn something else.
Man I’m in my first year of high school for aviation class and this is pretty helpful I thank I would make a good Pilot
Good luck with everything! Thanks for watching!
*I’m seeking help*
I’m really confused on this.
I am currently working on my Instrument Rating (went to KOCF today). I log on ForeFlight.
What’s the difference between Sim Instrument and Sim Flight?
Does the Instrument rating use Sim (hood) Flight hrs and/ or Flight Sim hrs and not Total time?
Foreflight shows I have 28.7 hrs Hood instrument and 17.2 Flight sim… so does that mean I have 45.9 hrs total or does that mean I have 17.2 flight simulator and 11.5 hood?
I know it’s a lot. Thank you for you time.
PS: if anyone reads this. The 50hrs of PIC XC required is a real stickler 😆
Hey Jason:
What is your opinion of logging PIC with dual instruction? Assuming I have my PPL
I've heard multiple different takes on this
As I understand it, if you're rated to fly the aircraft and are the sole manipulator of the controls, you are always going to be PIC. However, your CFI-I will also log PIC since he/she is required for your flight under IFR to be legal.
Second-in-command is an exception to the 'always PIC' rule.
Do I mark landings if my instructor helped me? Ex. First 2 flights
The Lucas Higgins yes
Quick question: Why is there a different column for single-engine vs. multi-engine vs. other time? Doesn't the make and model column already have that information? Or are they expecting some kind of change during the flight, like if an engine fails in a two-engine plane, does that now count toward my single-engine time?
It makes the time easier to add when you switch back and forth between different aircraft a lot--just totaling columns...
If you're looking to get hired, some companies want to only see multi-time. I used one of the blank sections for turbine time.
What a about the I certify the statements are true? Does the cfi sign that?
Great video thanks!
Glad you liked it!
where would you fill in the name of the instructor and license number?
If you fly IFR flight on a clear skies, do you consider that instrument time? And if you fly IFR from takeoff to landing, is that considered instrument time even with clear weather?
Hello! If you are wearing foggles and flying with a CFI or a safety pilot then yes you can log that as simulated instrument time. If you are on an IFR flight plan and it is clear outside and you are not wearing a view-limiting device (foggles), you cannot log instrument. You can only log actual instrument conditions when you are flying in IMC. I hope this helps! If you need anything else please reach out to us at support@mzeroa.com. Fly safe!
What brand is that logbook?
What type of pen do u use
I wish you were my CFI!
I'm a new student pilot; only have 10 hours. My CFI has me logging only the HOBBS time. He filled out the first 2 entries in my book, but I'm doing it all now and he just signs it. So I'm just following his lead. So for every one of my lessons, I have only 1 hour per lesson. So is this the correct way, or am doing it wrong?
Also, I've had 3 lessons in touch and goes. As for logging the number of landings, he has me logging down only 1 landing per lesson. I've heard from some other pilots that each landing in touch and goes count, but I've logged only 1 landing for those days. My CFI is great, so maybe he just hasn't caught it? Any comments welcome. Thanks.
Logging HOBBS time will give you more time over TAC time. He is correct in logging the HOBBS time. For the landing he is only logging one because you only did one landing to a full stop. Touch and goes do not count for proficiency, however, you could add how many t&gs in the remarks section.
Great vid, but I have one major question. There are two columns to record your time under each category of flight. What do I put? My school in the Caribbean makes me put hours in one column and minutes in the other... Then recently, my girlfriend training in the US showed me her logbook and she records time in the columns, by use of a decimal format- (e.g. 1.5, to mean 1 hr. 30mins). I am now confused as to what is the right way. I need some help, what should I do?
I don't understand how to calculate the instrument actual, could you give me the formula?
I'm flying gliders in Germany and we fill our Logbooks by our self and then go to the FI to get their Signature.
how do you log Sim time?
There's no reason to log "Tach" time just because you might be holding short of the runway for 20 minutes waiting for takeoff clearance. It's perfectly legit to log this "holding short" time as flight time. Per the FAA Regulations (Part 1), "flight time" is "Pilot time that commences when an aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of flight and ends when the aircraft comes to rest after landing". So, while I know most folks use "Hobbs" time, it's not technically correct since your flight time doesn't legally start until you "block out", which might be a few minutes after the engine is running. The "right way" would be to record the time when you "block out" and then again when you "block in" and use that time; not necessarily the Hobbs meter. But hey, the FAA isn't usually sitting over your shoulder, so it's up to you to know how to log the time properly. Here's a question I do have for you guys though. Say I want to log an instrument approach......How much of that approach do I legally have to fly for it to count? Doubtful I have to fly the full procedure. But do I have to start outside the FAF and go all the way to mins, or fly just a portion of it and then break it off? Just asking because I honestly don't know.
+germb747 Let the plane move 1/4 inch on engine start, apply brakes. Now you can log Hobbs. Ta-da.
Eliot Williams You absolutely correct!
just wondering if i am a military pilot can i log that time?
Hell yeah. Why wouldn't you?
I disagree with your comments on the Solo Time. Solo should be solo training hours towards licenses and ratings. There to help calculate requirements for signoffs, such as solo practice towards a licence or rating before you actually earned it.
Hobbs vs. tach, huh? We have hobbs vs. skids-up to skids-down. Its about a .1 difference and the source of many heated debates!
My remarks section has a lot of things like, "fireworks over pier 39", or "red moon on the horizon,...awesome". 😗
Does 1 0 mean 1.0 hours?
Another thing to considered in Hobbs vs. TACH, if you're paying by the Hobbs hour and only logging TACH time then you could be wasting a lot of money. Hobbs is a perfectly acceptable way to log time and pretty much the "gold standard". Just stick with Hobbs.
I would keep everything in my remarks professional, going into a job interview with log books that have unprofessional comments in the remarks section can make you fail a job interview.
Really? Instructors do that? My instructor filled out the first two flights I ever took. Then after that he was like this is your responsibility to fill out. All I do is sign it.
Flight time is defined in 14 CFR 1.1. It's not hobbs or tach. www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/1.1 I start logging when I begin my takeoff roll and end at shutdown.
+Jim A You're right that it's not Hobbs or Tach. But it starts when the aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of flight, so you can legally start logging flight time well before the takeoff roll. I've spent 45 minutes in line waiting for takeoff at JFK, and yes I've logged all of that time sitting on the taxiway as "flight time", and it's perfectly legal.
+Keisuke Yoshimura You "must" do nothing. You don't have to log any flight time except to prove currency or experience for a rating. (And please check FAR 16.51 before deciding you don't need to log a flight. Relying on a RUclips comment would be stupid.)
Both Hobbs and Tach time are wrong for logging flight time. Log "clock time" in the air and not time sitting on the ground doing runups, waiting for clearances, holding short waiting for landing aircraft, etc.. By definition, at 2400 rpms 1 tach hour is equal to one clock hour. Most of us do not fly around at full 2400 rpms all of the time. If you are cruising around looking at the scenery at 2200 RPM's (or doing slow flight, etc.) then it takes longer actual flying time to reach one tach hour, so your time is underestimated. By the clock, one hour is always one hour. Of course, Hobbs time grossly overestimates your hours.
Most logbooks are full of flight experience that never happened. This is one of the drawbacks of the honor system.
This is true, but good pilots always know that honesty is everything!
You really know how to prolong a short video. Quit the talking and get to the point.
Jesus Christ! Hobbs time. Do people really argue over this? Get A Life!