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I think what happened was simple to explain. As is known, she had issues working/understanding her AP. She fought it wanting to climb (as seen in her other videos) by using heavy/full nose down trim. This time, similar scenario, but she disconnected the AP (maybe accidentally even turned it off again and still didn’t know how to turn it on) and the plane instantly went full nose down and spiral. She probably panicked and was fiddling with the AP and or simply pulling up but forgot to level her trim. She fought the plane all the way down. And it’s likely control surfaces broke apart at that violent rate of descent as well…
Here is the take away from this crash: This young pilot knew she was incompetent but just laughed it off showing that she never took the gravity of that attitude. She crashed a fully serviceable plane in perfect weather entirely due to her incompetence. Her focus was on becoming a celebrity youtuber, not becoming a better pilot. The FAA needs to be aware of these rising wannabe celebrity pilots in a social media dominated world.
Yes, social media no doubt had some influence on the outcome of this woman's life. I commented similarly elsewhere. The FAA might start having a closer look at youtube & those that post 'pilot flying' videos..
I don't know what is this narcissism and desire to expose all your life for public viewing. Well if you earn enough money from this at least chose something less dangerous than flying. Sorry for these two ridiculously lost lives.
I'm a 747 Captain with over 15,000 hours of service. Some of the most valuable conversations I have had during my career have been very uncomfortable ones in which people who were looking out for me pointed out deficiencies which needed correcting. Those people are our real friends, and my continued success is part of THEIR legacy.
I had a high time 135 pilot ask me how to use the flight director in a caravan 1 hr before her flight...I advised her to cancel....get more training.she left anyway n flew into a line of cells...crashed! And radar didn't seem to make a difference! Always pissed me off...company didn't give a shit
@@aliceenland9360 You are absolutely right. When I think I'm OK and someone challenges that paradigm, it makes me uncomfortable. That's normal. My real friends are more concerned for my welfare than my comfort zone. I live those guys.
pilot (n.) from Italian piloto, supposed to be an alteration of Old Italian pedoto, which usually is said to be from Medieval Greek *pedotes "rudder, helmsman," from Greek pedon "steering oar," related to pous (genitive podos) "foot," Pilot -- one who steers. Not everyone can be someone who steers.
She probably thought she could fake this as 'content' (any click is a paying click, regardless the comment), pretending to get lost, then 'saving herself' Yeah,... well, I guess not,..
That's the part that boggled my mind with that video as well. She knew she basically had to go dead East after takeoff, she literally commed that waiting for clearance. OK, so maybe you get a bit confused after you're in the air because you accidentally went left instead of right, the sun was in your eyes, autopilot did something you didn't expect, whatever. You're still quite close to your starting point...turn until you're dead East on the compass and you'll practically be perfectly on course still.
The instrument will help you only if you look at it. My flying experience is limited to MSFS, plus half an hour in a Cherokee in a "come-and-try" experience. I reckon 80% of my attention was on the compass and altimeter. Thanks to an excellent instructor I was able to enjoy the experience without making any mistakes.
I received my pilots license in 1993. After I passed my check-ride I simply realized I wasn't good enough to continue flying. I never flew again. I think I made the right decision. No regrets.
Oh no that is sad... my plan is to take an experienced co pilot with me for at least the first 100hrs and at least another 100hrs on any new planes that I get to know
It takes a lot of guts to admit that you aren't up to doing something and I truly applaud you for taking that decision. I the guy that did my instructor training said something to me that has stuck with me all my life... just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. And in the context of flying he was making the point that not everyone has all the skills necessary to be a pilot. I have only once had to sit down with someone and ask if they really want to continue with lessons. It was awful for both of us but I felt it was the right thing to do.
Nice self reflection. I’m raised with aircraft. Basically flown them all. (Better explained as a lot) but turning 55 I was fed up with it. Getting older a noticed I was not up te speed anymore. I was flying on routine skills. So I quit.
Her mental attitude seems strange. She is behind the aeroplane, and she realises it (she knows she cannot work the autopilot, is "unsure of her position," etc), AND... she is not bothered. Her voice is sooo relaxed. She is not trying to solve her problems, or get anyone else to solve them, in any way. Yet surely she knew you can die in an aeroplane. It is an astonishing level of detachment.
There are more videos of her really struggling to use autopilot using buttons wrongly etc, clearly she had no idea how it worked. And these videos were on her channel for months why nobody bothered to warn her or perhaps she refused to listen is really mind boggling..
Because she was a #girlboss who was always in control! Until she wasn't. Her attitude was her problem at the fundamental level. She was the type of human being who was allowed to skirt by and "succeed" in everything she did because other people wouldn't allow her not to.
FAA ought to ban these social media narcissistic videocasts. In the hands of an inexperienced pilot, these can be mostly fatal. There is enough to do and coordinate in an unforgiving environment without being distracted by trying to make an impression on video. The mantra is: Aviate, Navigate, Communicate... there is nothing about social mediate! Thanks Hoover for another expert debrief.
When all is said and done, those small planes are usually the cause of death for MANY people that die on airplanes! They are usually where celebrities and lots of people die as they are weaker and less stable than the bigger planes!
I am a retired boat captain who had to navigate channels in pitch-black conditions with heavy winds, current, fog, rain, and sleet using just the radar. At times, I couldn't see other ships I was passing in narrow channels. When I first got my mates license I was having trouble tuning the the radar so the captain came over and said I suggest you read the entire radar manual and he added a comment I never forgot throughout my career and that was "You gotta be smarter than the equipment you are operating." It's too bad no one took her aside and said,"Hey, you are in over your head."
I told my kids when they were little, you have to be smarter than the box to open it! I can't imagine navigating at night in heavy winds, current, fog and rain. The interstate is enough of a challenge for me. No, they don't call me Ishmael !
I was on a 50m in conditions that shook my bones, visibility was zero, and we were all in the wheel house with the captain that was so collected it appeared that 100% of his effort was focused on keeping his coffee from spilling. Not a concern in the world while the rest of the crew acted like it was just another day at the dock. I now have 2 rules about boating, if your crew aint that salty dont invite me and I will never go back to St. George, the Bering Sea aint for me!
From someone who has watched most of the pertinent videos on her channel before they were removed, I'm baffled as to how she ever got her PPL. She didn't have even a basic understanding of how to fly. Frankly, she was utterly incompetent. In one video, she showed herself driving to an airport. In that video, she ran multiple stop signs, and was just as flippant about safe driving as she was about flying. What's sad is that not one person she encountered during her training and flying had the guts to step up and tell her that she had no business at the controls of an airplane, and never would have. And Hoover is correct. The NTSB found that her trim was set five degrees nose down at the time of the crash. That's halfway to the maximum of ten degrees.
Someone will read that and think it's cruel and disrespectful, not me. If my pilot offered me a ride to the airport and drove like that no way am I getting into that plane. This is why I cringe at the thought of flying cars, something I've been reading for 40+ years. It's just not going to happen.
She would not have even qualified to be a stinkin UBER driver with those very OBVIOUS lack of Navigational skills.....What a shame for her Mom and Dad. RIP all...
the kind of person with such a lack of self doubt to start two businesses, it's a different mindset of just pure self confidence and disregard of any of the kind of concerns the rest of us would have
@trif55 to be honest, the risk-taking mentality of many entrepreneurs is lethal in the cockpit. Flying is a lot a out minimizing and mitigating risks and many successful people tend to ignore dangers instead of addressing them.
Agreed. Just to throw in an alternate perspective...know when YOU should know more, be more deliberate and pay closer attention. I love the idea pushing the envelope but she pushed too hard too fast.
@@freespeech469 It's very common for fathers to want the best for their "little girl", and throughout the child's life, "no" is a word they never hear. They're told they're "special", and whatever they want, they get. It comes as a shock when they later discover that real life's not like that. I see a parallel here with some doctors who decide to become pilots. They've already accomplished a lot in life, and acquired complex skills in their profession, some of them just think, how difficult can it be to just fly an airplane? And some of them end up at the bottom of a smoking hole, which is why Beechcraft Bonanzas got the nickname "Forked-tail Doctor-Killers". They just didn't take flying all that seriously, with fatal consequences.
Her buying a new fancy plane right after getting her license speaks volumes about where her heart and mind was when it comes to flying. It didn't seem like she wanted to learn the craft. She wanted to be able to tell people she was a pilot. That is as deep as that went for her.
The fact that things aren't going well, and she's busy playing with her hair (is it for the camera, or just a nervous reaction?) spoke volumes. Her follow-up about dying when she couldn't figure out how to turn the stupid autopilot on had ME dying...of second-hard embarrassment, NOT laughter.
@@moosecat yeah and someone else pointed out the strangeness of how calm she was and how she made no effort to problem solve or ask for help from anyone else... it really made me think that she just didn't "get" what piloting a plane really means. It's not like learning how to ride a jet ski... It's serious business on so many levels.... She acts like she was on one of those spinning rides at Disney world and couldn't figure out how to get it to twirl.
@@CS-uc2oh Makes you think of the the Dunning-Kruger effect and how the most ignorant people act the most confident because they don't know enough to know how little they know. One could almost imagine that her being a successful independent businesswoman gave her a sense of entitlement and the idea that she could "conquer anything" on her own pure ability and that there was no possible way she could be as far behind as she actually was.
9:14 About 3 weeks ago I made this comment on one of Blanco's videos about this... and got shot down. Here's the comment I made: As a pilot and a RUclipsr who posts aviation content... I film my flights mostly for myself, as a debriefing tool. I rewatch while I edit and critique my every move and radio call in an effort to improve. Putting the videos up on RUclips is an afterthought to share with those who are interested in aviation. If people didn't watch, if there was no demand for the videos, I'd still make them for myself as a learning tool. What I can't fathom is how TNFlygirl could watch her own flights during the edits and not see that she wasn't in control. How could she not notice that she was always three or more steps behind?
I’m not entirely against cameras in the cockpit. Those that use them need to have a level of maturity and awareness to always make the camera secondary to everything else. Used correctly, they can serve as a valuable debrief tool like you mentioned but if the focus ever shifts to being more about the social media views than the debrief then it’s time to stop.
It's a bit like those who take car driving lessons with their friends in the back. You cannot possibly be 100% concentrating on the lesson if you are considering what your mates are thinking, even on the remote chance that they behave themselves and don't actively distract. Cameras always have a possibility of doing the same .
I also watched all her videos before they were taken down and the one common thread was not one of her CFI's were honest with her, they were doing the work for her. They also should be held accountable, this was a perfect storm of events leading to what happened.
I'm pretty confident that they were following their guidelines and standards. Flight school is slightly harder and more expensive than a driving school and yet both are essentially the same thing. They try to prepare you for the real deal, but in the end you're never going to be a great pilot/driver after the training alone. They know that, and it's fair, because flying shouldn't be locked away behind thousands of hours of training. Just like driving a car it should be at least accessible. In the end it's all up to the pilot to know their limits and have a basic survival instinct. To put it brutally: the flight school certificates are here to decide how many people you are allowed to put in risk. For example getting a solo license is not that hard, it takes just about 40 hours of flight sessions, the only factor really is that if you're stupid and overestimate your ability, you're likely only going to hurt yourself. The next licences in line are simply making it harder for you to hurt more people, but it is all up to you and it's pretty much impossible to test people for their deeper mentality. In retrospect she obviously had a very poor mentality, but I'd say a huge factor was the new plane. For all we know she did excellent on her training model and there was no way for the flight school to know what she's planning. Again because they only show you the way, you need to walk it. Really just similar to driving. I got my driver's license and I am not yet confident, so I don't really drive in the city yet, because I don't want to cause an accident. Still some people will do so because they are arrogant and some may even pass a truck school with the same lack of experience, it's going to be marginally more difficult, but not impossible if they have basic motor skills. Then the only thing stopping them from trucking in tight streets is their own self reflection. And that's fair, flying shouldn't be off limits, and brutally regulated. The licences are structured sequentially with your experience: 1)you are the pilot 2)all of the people you can carry know what kind of pilot you are and can decide if they want to get into the bird with you 3)at the point that passengers no longer have to know the pilot, they pilots are pretty much guaranteed to have thousands of hours.
Seriously, when you engage AP, you should know exactly what it's going to do, and if it does anything else, you immediately disable it. YOU are the PIC, not the autopilot. Fly the plane, don't let it fly you.
I watched all her RUclips flying videos before they were removed, and 'shocked' is an understatement. It doesn't take someone highly involved in aviation to quickly pick-up on her attention to hair, cameras, technology, chewing gum, fiddling with stuff, social media, voice-overs - she appeared completely detached from the reality of what she was attempting to do and she showed no apparent concern of how knowledgeable and competent she appeared to whoever might be watching her online. It's as if all the lights weren't on or no one was really home - she just wasn't present in her situation - if you know what i mean. She was there, but she wasn't all there - and she apparently had no clue. I'm shocked her dad would go up with her. A horrible tragedy for this family, but certainly other eager students can and should learn from this.
Ditto, Reminds me of so many soccer moms driving in my neighborhood. They don't even get out of the driveway before messing with their phones , completely oblivious to everything . I miss the days when so many would just chain smoke cigarettes and white knuckle it to the watering hole 🍻 The algo's have destroyed most peoples cogitative processes. If you read this far you should watch " The Social Dilemma" documentary style movie. It's very enlightening about social media and it's effects on it's users.
Dunning Kruger effect. She was so bad at aviating that she was unaware of all the stuff she was bad at. Non-pilot aviation enthusiasts, or people who know some science, or just a bit of orienteering, can spot numerous faults and weaknesses in her flying. Geez, forget aviation. How does she drive a car and arrive at a destination? Her route is due east. Put the sun on your right side, and you're already doing much better - with the bonus of not having to adjust the visors every 20 seconds. And the top device above her dashboard looks an awful lot like a compass. After take-off, turn right until that reads "EAST" or 90, and aviate a bit. But she wanted to use the tech in her plane. That's fine. But on prior flights they "didn't work for her", or she couldn't turn it back on. How on earth can you realize you didn't know how to use your GPS in a flight, then laugh at yourself about it...but not then spend the next week reviewing the owner's manual, then practicing using it ON LAND, then air. Same for the autopilot. Her video clips are just very hard to watch.
@Topfuelfan I'm almost 70 and I have been a licensed pilot since I was 19. I have never had a problem chewing gum and piloting an aircraft at the same time. As a matter of fact it helped me from getting a dry throat from the dry air in the jets.
This is the worst case of someone who should not have ever received a pilot certificate I have ever seen throughout my 35 years and 22,800 hours of flying.
What is really shocking about this incident is that weather was not a factor. Light winds, daytime, clear vis... it's really obvious she lacked solid foundational skills and that she was flying a far too complex aircraft for her skill level.
@@Toro_Da_Corsa It's hard for me to immediately jump on that bandwagon. It's hard to say unless you were there and saw what the instructor saw. You would think you would notice severe deficiencies, or that you would be able to dig into the student while flying to see if you could bring them out. That's not always the case though... Perhaps when under scrutiny she performed passably. It wasn't just her instructor, it was the ffa examiner, then an instructor again for complex signoff, and another faa examiner. They all passed her. There's no way they would have if she couldn't hold a stable flight attitude at the time of examination. I'm not saying they didn't mess up, I'm just not going to assume they did, because I know it's possible to present differently at the time of the test.
I'm a recently licensed pilot. I have about 125 hours and am working on my instrument. I've had friends ask to bring a GoPro with and share videos of flying and have politely declined. It's a distraction I don't need. I am serious about becoming a better pilot, and I'm spending all my flying time talking with ATC on flight following, flying into and out of my towered home airport, learning to hand fly a plane not having the altitude and heading vary more than a few feet and a few degrees, etc. In addition, I really think you're doing yourself a disservice as a pilot using auto-pilot when you're under 250 hours total time and still learning to fly, even in IMC. There is value in learning instrument scan and handflying even if you cannot see outside. Learn to fly before using all the gadgets that make things easier is the best approach IMO.
Agreed on the autopilot. I very rarely fly with one at ~700 hours. I imagine when I get into instrument flying I’ll find it to be more advantageous, but right now I prefer to hand fly. As far as the GoPro goes - I have a couple on my airplane and I film some flights. But I always set them up the night before so I’m not rushed on preflight trying to get them ready. I also set mine on the ground and let them run, if needed I can pause them with a remote in flight, but most of the time I film short trips so don’t bother. Video can be a great way to review flights, but you’re right, it can easily become a distraction if you aren’t careful.
You are a VERY wise aviator. The more a pilot is distracted in flight, the greater the risk of mishap. If a pilot can reduce distractions to the absolute minimum, including minimizing cockpit chatter, the greater the likelihood of catching something at the nascent phase that, if overlooked, could have disastrous consequences.
Worth knowing even as a low time pilot which circuit breakers will disable the autopilot if you are flying with one equipped regardless if you use it or not. Probably worth having some basic understanding also if its equipped. I agree low time pilots overuse the auto pilot regardless.
@@Pf-js5vt Yup you beat me to it. I warned my son about the dunning kruger effect after he passed his driving test. About 18 months later he had a "prang" and broke a few bits on his car..... he called me to say "Dad, just to let you know ive arrived in the 'pit of despair"....
I agree with you! When I got my commercial pilots license my instructor told me: You just got a ticket to learn! Will never forget those words! He was right! 😊
A truely "smart" person would agree with this 100%, the biggest minds in science have always said, the more you learn the more you realize that you are not 100% an expert and never will be. Only "less intelligent" ppl (which makes sense no one person is born equal) usually will claim they know everything or take command due to that attitude, the attitude you have sir/madam, is therefore very admirable. Complacency/distractions were a big factor here I think, and overconfidence, no malice just sad
I'd actually say you should be at least 30-50% smarter. My 2 flight instructors both always told me when learning to fly VFR and IFR first you must learn how those instruments work, how to use them, then learn to trust them. Other great advice was to know your airplane thoroughly, learned its' quirks and how they can kill you, and how to deal with them and don't do stupid things - IE be more focused on your RUclips production than your plane. God rest your souls.
I have no idea how she got her private pilot's licence. She clearly had no idea how to aviate, navigate, communicate. Her lack of situational awareness is unbelievable. Her instructor pilot's should be held accountable.
AVIATE, AVIATE, AVIATE , she got VFR flight following literally just fly the heading and altitude told every student pilot can do this after 5-10 hours ????
You have done a great job of illustrating just how inept she very sadly was. I'm only a layman aviation fan, not a pilot, but it is just so blatently clear that she was neither qualified nor capable of safely operating an aircraft. She obviously didn't know what she was doing, didn't focus on the critical aspects of flying, and never should have passed certification. What a horrific mess.
She should not have passed. But ppl that should pass fail , and ppl who should fail pass , all the time. It happens in driving too. Instructors that don't know what they are doing.
Yes. Inept is a good word. She was in way over her head. Although she was not a stupid person. I think it was a complete lack of common sense. Her meandering in the sky trying to reach the other airport is embarrassing. I hesitate to say it, but I think some people are just not capable of being pilots.
You'd think that the first time she found herself in a 'situation' it would scare - or at the very least, concern - to the point she would knuckle down and really learn what she was doing.
Being a pilot is scary. The one reason I stopped flying was you can’t pullover if you get lost. If you get overwhelmed you cannot pull over and pause. And you can’t zone out for even a second. It is constant attention because you are always moving in new invisible airspace and you have to be situationally aware at all times. It is brutally exhausting if you’re not cut out for it. If I had continued flying I would be a casualty for sure. I felt it in my gut.
The best thing you could have done. It is well documented that specific personality traits are necessary for success in such an activity. And while the typical pilot personality brings its own challenges, it is generally much more suited to the essential demands of high stress multi-tasking in four dynamic dimensions while suppressing fear.
I was an instrument-rated private pilot. I trained in Knoxville and am very familiar with these airports and this area. I was always the opposite of Jenny Blalock...paranoid to a fault about safety, weather, navigation, etc. The crazy thing about this flight she was making is that you can almost see downtown Knoxville when you take off from Rockwood. There are two large steam plant towers and an interstate off to your left when you depart, plus the Smoky Mountains are due east. It's literally like getting lost walking to your mailbox. Some people just do not need to be pilots, period, and unfortunately for JB and her dad, she was one. The most important thing in life it to know what you don't know, especially in something as unforgiving as aviation.
Agreed. Clearly she didn't know that she don't know. Watching her videos is like watching someone without proper gun safety training, playfully pointing a loaded pistol around his/her friends. You really hope not, but also know that something really bad is going to happen.
In one of my old Air&Space magazine, there is the story of an experienced old pilot that still loved to fly. Then one day he felt lost, not knowing where he was. That day he decided to ground himself, with regrets. But he was aware of his responsibility as a pilot.
I was an Air Force pilot for twenty years and a flight instructor for pilot training for about half that time. This story reminds me of one involving a young flight instructor many years ago. As a student in Undergraduate Pilot Training (UPT), this young man required extra training to meet the minimum skills required for graduation. Under normal circumstances he would have been tagged as being in the bottom third of his class and would have received a follow on assignment as a co-pilot in a crew aircraft. This would have allowed him time to grow his skills under the watchful eyes of more seasoned aircraft commanders. But he really wanted to come back to UPT as an instructor pilot, and as the need for them exceeded the supply, he was given an assignment as a T-38 instructor. He took a lot of extra training during the instructor school and just barely completed it. He was sent back to his UPT base and his squadron commander was advised to keep a close watch on him. New instructor pilots are typically given the strongest students to teach. And while most complete the additional training and evaluations to be designated as fully qualified within four to six months, he took more than a year. He finally achieved the status where he was not being as closely monitored in his flying activities. And one of the first things he did was volunteer as the pilot for a weekend cross country trip with a flight surgeon who was meeting his quarterly requirement for flying hours. They left on Friday afternoon and returned Monday morning. His decisions regarding strong winds that morning raised some eyebrows among supervisors and he then elected to divert to another base about fifty miles away. After successfully landing there, his aircraft flamed out due to fuel starvation while taxiing to the parking area. That triggered a full investigation of his weekend activities. It was discovered that he had incorrectly logged his takeoff and landing times, landed with far less than the required minimum fuel multiple times and violated mandatory crew rest requirements. And most of the errors were attributed to incompetence rather than deliberate violations. His actions were so egregious that a Flying Evaluation Board was convened to consider if he should remain on flying status. In the end he was allowed to keep the wings on his uniform, but he was permanently grounded as a pilot. I thought of this story because it shows how a person who lacks the fundamental skills and self discipline to be a safe pilot can slip through the system. Evaluators see a pilot when he/she knows they are being watched and they are at their best. What they don’t see is how that person handles themself when no one else is looking.
Great post. I gues the bias is to expect that most will improve with time but as pointed out here there are a specific set of traits, behaviours, values, & characteristics that are actually needed from the outset to become a good pilot. Very unlikely that time & experience will instill these characteristics & traits.
With all due respect Sir, She did NOT slip thru...she was dragged across the finish line. Her CFI is at least 50% to blame. I would have NEVER passed my ppt or any other checkride without basic pilotage and dead reckoning skills. She was a mess, passed on by her CFI. She never looks out of the cockpit! Unreal.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the young man you’re telling us about was a DEI hire. I too am retired Air Force. The bulk of the problem-people who were constantly creating problems were DEI recruits. The techs and masters who bullshitted their way to the top, and were completely useless, were DEI promoted. They were also the ones who would use favoritism to openly bestow favors onto the females and minorities in their flight, while passing over the others who were putting in the most effort to accomplish the tasks necessary each month. The political morass within my squadron was something that I found appalling, so on several occasions I spoke up about it and was punished accordingly. Your comment was excellent! I found no fault whatsoever in your words, but you simply reminded me of why our current military isn’t functioning as well as intended.
Jenny is the classic case of just following what someone told her .. but not understanding WHY she needs to do it. I saw all of her videos before they were removed. Its clear she really didnt understand basic physics, especially around the concept of lift and what causes a stall. In one of her most recent videos, her instructor was doing 90% of the radio calls .. and this is AFTER she had completed 400 hours (she seemed to be doing IFR training). There was also evidence in her recent videos that she wasnt aware that she needed to apply power when AP was engaged if you were pitching up and attempting to gain altitude. She literally said 'Shes struggling to get up', clearly assuming AP was going to adjust the amount of power needed automatically.
Just think, if she had spent as much time reading the user manual for the autopilot as she did editing just one of her videos she and her father may well be alive today…
I was lucky in getting a true understanding of lift by accident. The 172 my father would fly before he bought his first plane had a million hours on it and just as you'd drop in a stall, you could hear an oil can noise from above your head. The oil can noise was the bubble of low pressure that was lifting on the top surface of the wing letting go. That visualization really helped me understand what was going on. Before that I thought the bottom of the wing would hold us up by air pushing up on it, but it was the top surface of the wing causing the upward force. Of course my father explained it all, I didn't just think of it. When the low pressure would let go, the skin would relax and clink, you could hear the oil can noise. I was 12 i think. Never heard that in the Piper Cub he'd take me up in (cloth). And it was funny because I was 15 before I flew in a commercial aircraft. We had to take a regional flight to the final destination airport and climbed aboard a ~20 passenger turbo prop. I was amazed when people were calling it a puddle jumper. That was no puddle jumper when you're used to a Cub and a 172!!
My instructor once told me mid-training for my PPL that as pilots we start with 2 bags, one filled with luck and the other empty of experience. The trick is to fill the experience one before the luck runs out
Lucky people live to learn from their own mistakes. Wise people learn from the mistakes of others. The goal is to be a wise person with lots of lucky friends.
The pilot who saved people when they landed on the Hudson said something similar and that his experience tokens he had put in for so many years saved him
That's... wow. I am honestly speechless. I mean this in the kindest and truly, the most empathetic way I can muster over the internet: This woman was not ready to be a Pilot in Command.
When i was 16, my dad got me some flying lessons. After about 4 hours, i decided, no matter how bad i had wanted to be a pilot growing up in oshkosh with eaa, my brain was not wired properly to do it. So sadly i gave it up. I still love planes, meet many great pilots at airventure every year. Sometimes you have to recognize when you shouldnt do something, you wont always have someone to tell you no
@@knucklehead4233 and i dont mean to come off mean if it does. I dont want to discourage anyone from becoming a pilot. Those 4 hours of sitting in a small cockpit next to a pilot, with headset on, flying over lake winnebago, feeling the power of the plane in the yoke. Nothing like it ever. Something everyone should experience once, even if its through the young eagle program. I plug them because i was part of the first class in 1992 in Oshkosh, and its something more people need to be involved in lol
I hear ya. I flew from a very young age with my father who was a great pilot and had his own plane and grass strip. I know he wanted his son to become a pilot and I took a few lessons that he paid for but alas I was too young. I never finished or went back. It's not for everyone. Even if someone could get through a course and solo...it's still not for everyone...(As we see with certain tragedies). I flew with him many times, went to fly-ins, got to fly in an open cockpit biplane('tiger moth' they called it) back from a fly-in with one of his buddies, Still love it! Just can't fly it lol.
That just means you are wise. There are lots of things people love because they can't work out a way in their mind to handle it... and there are lots of people that meet their won demise thinking they can "wing it" or "fake it till they make it". Sometimes you just have to cut bait and find a new love!
I wanted to be a pilot as a kid. My first flight (on a small cessna) convinced me otherwise, lol. The sensation of dropping whenever you hit turbulence (which we had a bunch of) I really don't like.
I have over 35 years experience flying in RAF UK military and commercial aircraft, just over 16,000hrs.I am also a QFI at a flight school in SW England. To me this person is a classic example of what I would call " a no hope " type of pilot candidate. She has no clue how to even carry out basic flight navigation, she doesn`t seem to know how the systems on her aircraft work, or what they can an can`t do. She ignores basic flight protocol, makes no calls to the tower or radar to inform them she is lost. She doesn`t seem to realise the runway she just took off from is still in view, she should be able to correct her error easily, but relys on autopilot to fix the situation. It`s like watching someone drving whilst using a mobile phone, she is distracted fiddling with her I-pad. it seems to me her interest in flying is just to pose, and boast online, " look at me in my cute little plane, and my aviator sunglasses " .It seems having her own aircraft was a plaything,like a little dog, or whatever. Sorry but I wouldn`t put her charge of a shopping trolley, much less an aircraft. I don`t understand how she managed to pass her PPL, like I said she can`t even carry out basic navigation, or use the radio to report her position and intentions, really basic stuff. It`s tragic that she lost her life and also her father, I`m not heartless, she should not have been anywhere near flying an aircraft. It would be interesting to see her flightlog, and who her instructor/instructors were. The basic skills just aren`t there. I have had a few pupils in the past I sensed would be trouble, and I was correct, so I had to advise them that attempting a PPL was beyond them. Sometimes people can slip through the net, maybe this is what happened here. There was a fatal accident at a flying club in Northern Ireland recently, were a pilot who was known for pushing the limits crashed and killed himself and his passenger,showboating over the clubhouse. He took off, climed to just 50ft before banking hard over the airfield clubhouse, he lost control, and crashed inverted in a fireball. The pilot had just 70 hrs flying time, but thought he knew better, in that time had been reported several times for dangerous flying. Now I`m not suggesting Ms Blalock was a dangerous show-off,but she clearly didn`t have even basic flight skills, which makes her a danger to herself, and others. Some people are better suited to being a passenger, rules and regulations are there for a reason, they have been established over years of aviation, yet sometimes people just don`t get it.
It she was that bad yet still was able to pass her PPL, it says maybe they need to take a look at what it required to pass the PPL. sounds like the requirements should be beefed up. If it is true she couldn't carry out basic navigation(I don't have the knowledge to know one way or the other), or use the radio to report her position and what not, just how the heck did she pass her PPL? Sounds to me that passing the PPL should require that you are able to carry out basic navigation and be able to report your position.
There are sadly WAY too many of these girls out there online...each and every one with " pilot" in their name, tag, or Instagram title...and in 99.7% of the time, they are far more focused on LOOKING like a Pilot instead of actually getting the skills to BE a Pilot. And, the ending is always tragic. But...we as seasoned Pilots and IPs are raked over the coals if we mention this. It's only going to get worse I'm afraid.
Paulmca, very well said. I think you “hit the nail on the head.” Scary how she was allowed to pilot a plane when she seemed clueless in so many areas.😮🇺🇸❤️
I had the opportunity to see several of Jenny’s videos before they were removed. As a CFI, it was pretty evident she struggled with piloting basics, which she apparently recognized because she let one instructor go and found a new one. IMO, she was not ready to fly a complex aircraft like the Beech, she always seemed to be behind the airplane. Her struggles with the Auto Pilot became a major distraction and I believe it contributed to this tragic accident.
I've got ~15h vfr on gliders with the 50 km overland flight and the practical exam missing. My last flight was ~10 years ago. I would still claim that I'm currently still more able to fly a plane than what she showed, which is, given my questinable skills, pretty terrible. I still can't understand how someone can have such a bad understanding of the principles of controlling an aircraft, task priorisation and pre flight planning after 400 hours, even with a new plane. Did sge have any theoretical lessons or are those not mandatory in the usa? And how can anyone give her her licence with that skill level?
@@clockworkvanhellsing372I don’t believe for a second she accumulated 400hrs? With her gross incompetence, she surely would’ve crashed long before this event.
She fire him cause she felt he was the problem not her. By watching just a few minutes of her videos is evident that she never recognized that she struggle with piloting basics.
@@Atite_Lometen Exactly. My thought. Someone on youtube shared the video where she is showing a snippet of that instructor and herself during their fly sessions. In her debrief she is completely putting the blame on the instructor and didn't take an ounce of responsibility on herself.
Hello from Germany. I am a glider and ultralight instructor and we have decided in our club to ban filming of student pilots because we have found that this is exactly what is happening. The students are too busy with these systems and can no longer concentrate on what is important, namely flying the plane. I like your channel even though the stories are very sad. But we can all learn something from them. Always happy landings. Andreas
Watching this and other videos on this tragedy I'm struck by how little situational awareness this woman had behind the controls of an aircraft. Some people are not suited to be pilots, it's not a criticism of them personally, it's just a fact.
@@ericbarker68 it looked like she had a map on her iPad, and a compass on the dash. She completely ignored the compass, and it appeared that she would figure out that she was going the wrong way, only when she would notice that the dot on her iPad had moved far enough in the wrong direction to be obvious. Her father chimed in a number of times, trying to say which way they were going, but he was only correct about half of the time. It was maddening that her RUclips audience could frequently see clearly, what she and her father had no apparent awareness of... the direction of the afternoon sun, and the runway they had just taken off from, which was just outside the window for about as long as the total flight should have taken.🤦♂
Some people are not suited to be a pilot - like me. There's so much info, hold in your head & act on, I could never be a professional pilot. I had a go at flying & LOVED it, couldn't afford to get my PPL which I could have done. But this is so far beyond my credulity. I SUSPECT that she got this far cos she was a pretty girl, knowing some of the flight instructors that I knew.
I am a commercial airline pilot and I found this by accident. Your analysis is spot on and perfectly balanced between the tragedy of the situation and the responsibilities that come with being the pilot in command of any aircraft.
That's why I would never fly with an amateur pilot. We recently landed in a storm, with one aborted landing first, and I could have kissed the pilot to death! Thank you for being professional!
I think this analysis lacks one important step. How did she obtain her license in the first place. The mistakes she makes are so grave and "ignorant" to put it simply, that I can't fathom how she could pass any practical test. She knew nothing about navigation or proper plane operation. Imagine having this woman as a colleague and trying to get her to understand CRM. The cockpit would be chaos in a stressed situation.
I tried Microsoft sim and i cant maintain altitude while also doing other things. Do you always have to pull back the stick the entire trip or im just bad at using trims
@@darugdawg2453 Trims are a tricky thing to get right. Focus first on levelling off the speed so that your plane is no longer climbing (remember that more speed = more altitude) and settling on around the altitude you want, not what the plane wants. Then, use the elevator trim (the one that is usually just called "trim") to fine tune the altitude.
I'm a former Air Force Human Factors Mishap Investigator, and I find this frightening. I've seen pilots with a few 1000 hours that are also poor decision makers. Great Video. I just subscribed.
Same, I was an Air Force Maintenance Chief and Private Pilot. It's the lack of details as well. Did she file a flight plan? Did she have primary and alternate airports along the route to contact in case of trouble? Did she brief her passenger? Did she have a plan B? Just so many things seem wrong. And not familiarizing herself with her Garmin Autopilot? Not the easiest to use, and best to find an avionics person to show you how it works. Also, Garmin publishes all of its user guides online. And making a video during a critical phase of flight?? Takeoff and landings are critical and need your undivided attention. This is sadly becoming a trend. Respect to her family for their loss.
Yea, this resonates with me. Several of my go getter friends got pilot liscences. From day one I made 2 rules. 1. Never fly with them. 2. Never get a liscences myself because I'm not fully invested into it, and it is a dangerous expensive hobby. There was a guy in work that threw a rod and had engine failure. Basically he did nothing wrong just wasn't in a new plane. He was able to land, and saw his family again. He had the piston on his desk (very very light weight design) and never flew himself again. I took the free lesson.
Really a sad story. I'm a retired ATP and CFIIME IGI. My CFI has a gold seal which some of you may know of. I can't imagine ever signing her off for a solo cross country, let alone her check ride. Buying that Beechcraft was a huge mistake (and whoever checked her out on it didn't do their job, either). It was way too much complexity for a low time pilot and led her to depend on the automation. Every one of my students knew "Aviate, Navigate, Communicate" and that rule applies to everything from a Cessna to a 747. It's grilled into student pilots and airline captains going for their 5th or their 10th type rating. When the automation isn't working the way you expect, the safest and easiest thing to do (for a competent pilot) is to turn it off and fly the damn plane! Had it happen many many times without incident.
"I died laughing at myself" is one of the most chilling things I've ever heard. It seems it's literally true in this case. Instead of laughing at herself she could have recognized her weaknesses and sought additional training and understanding. Instead, she laughed and, a few months later, died and took her father with her. Tragic.
I'm sure a capable woman in her other on-ground endeavors... but she does carry a smidge attitude of a woman who has relied more on her looks and ability to charm others than she has using her brain. Unfortunately, the plane she was flying wasn't designed to recognize the former.
"What No One Is Saying" is the immense effort Hoover shows to give his analysis while being utmost respectful, especially given the circumstances in this case. 👍
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@@AlbertHess-xy7ky And, I have to say, that is uncalled for. Now, can you please answer my question? How would you handle loss of thrust on take off? Would you try a turn back to the field?
I saw on another channel she fired a CFI after one flight with him, blaming his instructional style for her poor performance rather than her lack of basic aviation knowledge. She replaced him with her non-pilot father. She was determined to do things her way. It was the deadly combination of arrogance and ignorance. At least she didn't kill anybody on the ground
She fired the instructor she'd had for months because she finally listened to all the comments telling her how far behind her plane and lacking in basic piloting skills she was, and that he kept flying for her during lessons, rather than teaching her. She'd only had one one flight with her *new* instructor, not the one she fired. Her dad was just a passenger.
The cfi should take over controls if a student flies the way she did. Even flying stable approaches led to arguments even though she was flying way far to the right.
Blancolirio did some videos on that. Her other cfi stunk. He was on his cellphone. Hitting all the buttons for here, teaching little to nothing. He was bad. Blancolirio blamed some of her problems on crappy cfi's. Blancolirio says this is common in the industry, as cfi's are trying to get hours in the air to join an airline. Teaching is just a means to an end for them. They dont care if you learn.
Her dad’s face said it all. He had no doubt what was about to happen. He seemed to be spending his last moments praying in his head. He was trying so desperately to keep it together but was so terrified, he couldn’t get any words out. Sad.
I thought the same thing. I also thought maybe he didn’t want to speak up because he didn’t want to startle her in an already dire situation. Most people don’t respond to stress well especially when it’s life or death so he was probably praying like you mentioned and hoping God would intervene.
The problem with your comments is this video 😮showing the father was not the fateful flight. It was a prior flight. What I don’t understand is why he never told he’s not going back up with her until she took additional training or had another pilot onboard.
@@Tubefish07 He meant that the flight shown here was before the fatal flight. The flight shown in this video was in January of 2023. The fatal flight was on December 7, 2023.
Have you ever met pilots? 😁I worked at an airline here in the Netherlands and I swear the average pilot spends more time in front of a mirror practicing how to tell everybody he's a pilot than they do in the air. Bus drivers we called them.
I gave a woman like her a flight lesson once. She had no clue what was going on but all she did was laugh and giggle like it was the best time ever. She did not come back for a second lesson and I was quite happy. Most students take flying very seriously as they should. I don't think Tnflygirl had a clue as to what she was doing or just how dangerous it was. Signing her off in a high performance complex airplane with her little experience was a huge mistake. If she gets lost as soon as she gets off the ground she really isn't qualified to fly anything, much less a Beech Debonair.
I would think any person who wanted to become a pilot would love planes, would have an interest in knowing the basic principles of flying at least. Hell, Me as a novice, who hates flying, is not mechanical inclined at all, i shouldn't know more about jennys plane than jenny, yet I'm certain i understand the trim swith on her plane more than her.
I saw another youtuber do a full reaction to the video that was referenced here (where she gets lost right after taking off) and it was quite scary. Even when I am not a pilot myself I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Right after she took off she got distracted trying to use the autopilot. She flew in random directions for like 20 minutes while doing so. She wasn't looking around for other aircraft (even though she was right by the runway). She never used her radio. For a brief second she would realize she was going the wrong way, struggle to figure out what direction they should be going, and then once going the right way again get distracted again. It was like watching a distracted driver on the road. Completely oblivious to their surroundings. It didn't help that her non-pilot dad was sat next to her making the situation worse. He was telling her the wrong direction to go, moving the sun visor for himself and blinding her in the process, and at one point when she couldn't turn the autopilot on he was going to start messing with the circuit breaker to try and get it to work. Luckily he couldn't reach it and gave up. She also asked him to turn the heat on at one point and when he asked her how I don't think she even answered him and he just attempted to do it on his own. The fact that after she watched all of this back she just laughed at herself for "not knowing how to turn the autopilot on" is quite shocking. Even if she didn't recognize the issues in the moment watching that back should have been horrifying.
@@sparkplugpeggy4910 it's because we have serious cases of don't wanna-die-itis. Some of the people in these accidents are so casual in their attitude it's crazy. I take more precautions getting into my car every day than some of the people in these videos.
This. 100% . The young lady wasn't able to properly use the equipment and had a very low threshold of confidence in her own ability to fly the plane. That's why she kept turning on the autopilot, instead of simply looking all around the outside of the plane, getting her bearings and flying the plane. Her teachers should have been way more critical of her inability to properly see everything around the plane properly and actually fly the plane.. Damn sad to watch. Look, don't think I think I'm perfect either. If I was there, I would be just as lost. So I don't fly.
Deepest condolences to the family... I am so sorry to hear of this accident.. Flying is supposed to befun... But it can be dangerous.. I will make another comment on another comment section later..
@@markymarknj life has always been an easy ride for her (she didn’t see it that way of course) until it suddenly did get difficult and then it was too late.
Thank you for this video. I want to share my personal story. Soon after passing my medical school exams and beginning work as a doctor, I realised something was really, really wrong. I had been a great student all my life. I'm conscientious and diligent. I poured myself into my work and cared a great deal for my patients. But I noticed I kept making errors or near-errors in my work. None of them led to actual harm but I came pretty close. After a few months of this, I decided to take a break from clinical work to reset, thinking it was just exhaustion. I returned a few months later, but nothing improved. So I made the INCREDIBLY difficult decision to give up my clinical practice and medical license (pretty much permanently). I instead shifted to work in supporting roles behind the scenes. (I eventually received a diagnosis which explained why I was messing up, which I will not disclose here.) Even though my mistakes had the potential to screw things up horribly for my vulnerable patients who were depending on me, I actually received a lot of pushback from family, friends and colleagues for my decision to leave. I was called lazy, risk-averse, conservative. I was told to "just try harder" or "you'll get better at it" etc. I was even called selfish for "throwing my opportunity away". I know there are many times we should not give up in life, but I am surprised that people were so harsh even if my decision was made to avoid harming my patients, and therefore myself. Looking back, I do still feel the pang of regret and loss of the dream & career I toiled so many years for. But I also know it was 100% the right decision, and I am enjoying building my career in a new direction. I firmly believe we should listen to our gut when it tells us to take a step back from a potentially unsafe situation. Be humble. And be safe always. Thanks for reading!
As a colleague, I thank you for realizing your limitations and choosing another direction. I takes a great deal of courage. One avenue you may consider is a career in medical ethics
@cindysavage265 thank you so much, Cindy. My work is now in quality and safety which suits me very well. I never considered medical ethics! That's such a great idea, as I have always been interested in it. Let me explore it further, maybe it's something I could still get involved in in some way.
If I learned anything in life, is that: 1) people, especially family and close ones often will try to make you pick a decision that will affect the course of your OWN life big time 2) one should never listen to other's opinion in such cases. Talking about your family etc. I'm happy for you not being weak and deciding for yourself how to live your life, only you know how to live it the best possible way. And also you did a right thing for potential patients, good for you!
The fact that she was so out of her depth that using the position of the sun setting in the sky as a clear indication of her ineptitude is just crazy. Her casual ‘oh haha look how silly I am!!’ following this is just so frustrating to me. Never mind the ability to use any of the instrumentation to be able to fly, you should at the very least be able to use landmarks and commonalities to be able to navigate.
Your military background shines through - your commitment to safety is without question. I love the none-judgemental way you have dealt with this subject whilst teaching the community how to "debrief" their own flight. Excellent work as normal!
Military and Safety, LOL. Two times the military cares about safety is when they already fucked up and can blame you. When you request to engage after being shot at, but need Pentagon approval while your ass is being shot at.
@@pilot-debrief I have said the same thing Hoover- yours is one of my favourite channels, in relation to Jenny’s accident. I wonder if she just didn’t know what she didn’t know - you probably have heard of the four stages of competence in your military career, ranging from unconscious incompetence, i.e. you don’t know what you don’t know through to unconscious competence you know longer have to manually think about stuff and you’re good at it, I feel looking at her. She was at the first stage and probably not actually consciously, knowing that she was dangerous and actually lacking the stick and rudder fundamentals
I think she knew she was a bad pilot. She didn't get the new plane as an upgrade, she got it as a crutch. She bought it so the autopilot could do the flying for her. She was so invested in using it because she thought it was the fix for her issues. But it looks to have became a distraction that made her worse.
People are raking her because she put her skills on RUclips for everyone to critique, but this is the story of so many Bonanza pilots, aka the “doctor killer”
@@jackmcandle6955 - a critique of her flying shows she was also frequently unaware of her air speed and her altitude and did not fully understand trim.
I bet she was no more competent in a car too. Not just that she said that, but her entire attitude about it. This is bizarre. Who signed off on her getting a license?
Very interesting observation! Ego aka vanity, seems to be like such a common down fall. Those that knew her especially her father, should love her enough to help her change.
@@noiiiiiize There is a monumental difference between "making a mistake" and accidentally breaking a dish, and "making a mistake" that kills lots of people. Just like certain airlines are finding out the hard way: you can't make "diversity hires" in career fields that are responsible for hundreds of lives and allow them to "fake it until they make it". This SHOULD BE "common sense". But now the "feelings-police" are in charge of making life and death decisions at corporate and governmental levels. With this kind of idiocy happening, we should be questioning every flight we take, and asking "is my pilot a diversity hire"?
Female here. I was dating a guy who was a diver did a lot of cave dives very experienced. I decided to get certified. On one of my dives I was supposed to do a slow ascension well I didn’t and my instructor kept grabbing my fins to pull me down as I was going up to fast. The deep dive I felt so much pressure I sucked almost all my oxygen and felt panicky. Needless to say I was smart enough to never dive again as I knew it was just not for me. I love snorkeling and happy to keep it at that. Know your limitations be it female or male.
Retired Navy pilot/flight instructor here. Agree with your observations and analysis. Honest debriefs are an essential tool for all pilots regardless of experience level. I tried to foster a fun yet professional cockpit environment, especially during instructional hops. However, after being part of a recovery crew and picking up body parts and aircraft pieces from a mishap attributed to a cocky young student pilot, I had no tolerance for students that didn’t take flying seriously. It appears there were many links in the mishap chain, any one of which if corrected could have prevented this tragedy.
I honestly think that, if she were a guy, her instructor and peers would have been much more honest with her many shortcomings that made her an incompetent pilot. It's very sad that no one around her told her "no." Including her father.
When I was learning to drive in the mid 70s, my dad would not let me have the radio on - it was a distraction. After I got my license, I could only have one passenger for awhile. Later in life when I had children, my father in law said always pull over if you discipline the children. He had attended a Crash where a mom was reaching behind her with one hand to the back seat. Good advice from two of my favorite men in the world. Miss them both 🤍
I know these types of fathers from the past. We just don’t have them anymore. Love given through discipline, and out of respect towards others. There are still some walking around the senior home garden. We all love them.
I am a pilot who flew 777 for Emirates, I also flew several other jets like the 767, 727…. and I have never seen such profesional videos like the videos on this channel. Your comments, thoughts are really valuable and we all learn a lot by watching. Awesome! keep it up and thanks for sharing.
Great videos and helpful too ; we have several; of these great guys !!!! When they are not working, they take on to broadcasting.....and it becomes serious business, like " Blancolirio " Juan Brown who is, I think , either a FO or Captain on a 777. He even keeps broadcasting from his hotel room, when in Australia. That is dedication !!!!!
@@crazyralph6386 No problem. I think he is ex-military, too, if I remember correctly. I can relate to him better than the fast movers. They are a breed apart.
I'm a retired ARTCC controller and commercial instrument pilot in the past. She was so distracted with her social media that she obviously got the aircraft in a stall and that's why the 85kts and the 1,200 foot descent. She was way over her head and that video of her dad showed he was not very happy with the flight. Bonanza's killed a lot of doctors for the same reasons. It's a fast aircraft and not very forgiving.
I couldn’t tell if the dad was scared, nervous, not happy or all of the above. I just can’t believe the dad went out on another flight with her after experiencing the previous one. She definitely seemed lost. So sad for them and the family.
I haven't seen the NTSB report but just looking at the facts the encoding transponder put out it is obvious to me what happened. The NTSB is very political and all their conclusions have to satisfy the manufacturer, the gender, race etc. The so-called autopilots is really a wing leveler. A true auto pilot will take the aircraft to a fix that has to be programmed into it. Looks to me like she wasn't paying attention and it got away from her and went into a stall.
A QFI colleague told me about this woman and sent me a link to her videos of her flying adventures. It speaks volumes that they have been taken down, I watched some of them,obviously before they were removed, I was horrified and dismayed at what I saw. I know at the flying school I teach at, at least two CFI`s used her video`s as examples of how NOT to do things. From what I have read, she had just over 400hrs logged,frankly I am surprised she lasted that long. Let me make it absolutely clear, you can get male and female`s that are bad pilots, drivers,sailor`s, motorcyclist`s or whatever. Some people just don`t seem to " get it ", neither the skills involved, or going by the rules, or at least close to the rules. I doubt there is anyone out there that hasn`t done something a bit stupid , in control of what ever vehicle,hopefully most of us will learn from it, and don`t do it again. However some people think they are indistructible, and won`t learn, don`t care,or think they know better--they are the really dangerous ones. Frankly I am stunned this woman had a license,and I wonder about the 400hrs she claimed, was this 400hrs after getting her license, or 400hrs with an instructor ? Two very different things. If it was 400hrs with an instructor that would explain how she did not have an accident until this. If it was 400 hrs solo, then that`s staggering.She was an accident waiting to happen. Doubtless the FAA and NTSB will look at the record of her instructor/s. You could be forgiven for thinking she paid someone to pass her.That could actually be part of it, nothing surprises me any more. Her lack of the bare bones,basics if you will, is shocking, she has no concept of her airspeed, heading, altitude, trim of the aircraft, or how to operate the auto-pilot, not to mention looking outside at anytime. The best way to describe this woman`s flying is, she was born to be a passenger.
Very well put. 💯 Her poor dad looked pretty perturbed. Probably didn’t say anything b/c of her videoing it. Sad. He def should have. You can always make another video.
in our IFR course we had one guy (which was an lawyer ) where the CFI refused to train him because after 20 hours he still didnt get it and they sayed he for sure will kill him and all occupants ...
@@sonneversets3530 What men can't see, is clear to me as a woman. She's in panic, and hiding it. I'm sorry, I don't see a "poor dad." I see a nervous girl trying to hide her nerves from her overbearing father. Choking up / freezing not only due to plane terror, but terror of her father's reaction. She's more afraid of HIM than the situation. Look at him. He could reassure. Help. Coach. Give her a break. Does he? He's radiating the vibes of IRRITATION at his daughter's distress. He's making it worse. I am NOT impressed with his behavior here, nor him. She's too scared to ask him for help. I know the type. A father who likely pushed her to always bring prestige to the family. The kind of man who's ready to explode in rage - if she DARE embarrasses him. She is too meek to admit the truth - she is in trouble and needs aid. That would take courage! But - she believes him if he barks at her and says 'you're just not trying or focusing!" She's naive - and thinks if she just tries harder, it'll happen. She can impress him. She's not a failure. Fake it - until you make it. The dynamic of rich-people culture is not being discussed here. It's different. Very different. Many wealthy families will not admit or TOLERATE an embarrassment to the family. Live in complete denial they have anything less than perfect or exemplary offspring. Look up the Kennedy's. The special-needs daughter Joe Kennedy screamed at / shunned / hid and eventually lobotomized for disappointing him. He never accepted she even WAS special needs. These types: They use their children as another tool in the box - to bring prestige to themselves. "My daughter is a natural, just didn't need all the training others need." DID YOU DAUGHTER!? That's what I see. Body language screams louder than words. Even if I'm wrong - the facts. He helped get her killed. He was the one person who could have helped her. He didn't. This is more likely a tragedy of toxic family dynamics, not particularly aviation. Edit: Also, wealthy "entitled" people might bribe/pay/intimidate an instructor. Threaten to ruin careers, get somebody audited. Take the cash from me, or it will be somebody else who benefits. She WILL be passed, by SOMEONE. It's how the ridiculously stupid graduate Ivy League. By writing checks. Think upon this - and many puzzling things about this case - are suddenly not mysterious.
@@KathrynsWorldWildfireTrackingit’s not that we cannot see it, but because of constant Marxist propaganda no man dares to say what is clear to the unconscious mind. Women are biologically not equipped to handle dangerous activities where lives are potentially at risk, where rational thinking, spatial ability and the ability to keep calm and think clearly under extreme pressure is the most important aspect beyond anything you could ever learn. Can women fly planes? Yes, but children could also drive cars. Does that make sense though? No it doesn’t. Is it ‚agist‘ or any other Marxist propagandist word you could invent? No that is just logical.
@@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking What some women apparently can't see is that many humans, including males, actually can see that she's internally in a panic and just trying to sound upbeat. You're one of them. You're that type. You're wrong. No biggie.🍹 "He helped get her killed." - She did not 'get killed', she caused her death and that of her father, as sure as if they were seated in a car. She was not passive in her death, she was not the victim of someone else's piloting and there's no evidence the father interfered with her control. She, yes a woman, is directly responsiblefor their deaths. To make a case that the father shared responsibility for failing to talk to her is asinine 🤡 Did it ever occur to your imagination that as a passenger of an inept pilot for all the minutes we've safely watched remotely, that he may have been shitting himself with nerves and trying not to say something that may reveal his nervousness, and make her completely lose it? That your interpretation of events has such a twised perception of the father's role in this tragedy shames whatever instituion claims to have educated you. He was her passenger under her duty of care and alleged expertise. Sort out your daddy isssues.🤨
Two things, she had spatial disorientation and lacked spatial awareness on a clear sunny day leaving an airfield she commonly used while failing to look out of her window to observe the landmarks around her that would have been a huge help to her in favor of IFR. Very bad idea to swap planes with so little flight hours under her belt.
@@elrey8876 You may be right. It's like a new Hitler for the gullible & easily mis-led. The young are easily railroaded into believing & acting on misinformation. They could never hope to know the difference or act appropriately 😐
Interesting observation, it reminded me of those people who have crashed their cars because they were following the GPS navigation into a blocked road and not really looking out the window.
I don’t have a pilot’s license but have flown hang gliders since the 1970’s. The most important thing for me was safety in all details. I guess that’s why I am still here. Aviation is unforgiving, you simply can’t forget this.
You didn’t take “take safety in all details”. Why do I say this? The Air Force wouldn’t let you do rodeo, ultralights, hang gliders, etc without commander approval but you could fly gliders. Why, because most gliders are certified and certified airplanes have 1/100 the accident rate of ultralights or hang gliders.
@@hugoglenn9741 I think you missed my point. I always put safety first. I learned everything I could, I studied accidents, I followed best practices. I went to work for a HG factory in Sylmar, CA to learn first hand. Hang gliding is indeed a dangerous sport, but in my experience , can be very safe and fun if you follow the rules and use basic common sense.
@@hugoglenn9741 there are no accurate statistics for Hang gliders, we log or don't log our flights, and don't share them with any organizations. I have flown thousands of flights for over 30 years, and only know pilots that died because of their decisions, not the aircraft at fault.
I still remember when my instructors got dummer and dummer as I got closer to soloing. They'd say, let's return to the airport now. I'd say, "Can you see it?" They'd say, "I don't know." I'd have to use my own skills to find it. By the time I soloed I didn't have to ask any questions and they'd only interject if I had lined up on a parking lot instead of the runway. This is what Jenny didn't have. In the videos I saw, the instructor was doing everything for her.
I remember watching one of her videos, she was driving at the time. It might have been one or two, she ran thru a handful of stop signs without a care in the world. She didn't understand safety and control on the ground and she really didn't understand it in the air
@@SOLDOZER I hope you are not driving anywhere near me. Stop signs are not just a suggestion. I don't run them and don't expect 90% of drivers to run them either. Keep in mind, she was on video running stop signs. I would think someone would be extra careful not to post a video of it.
It boggles my mind that she somehow passed her Private pilot check-ride when she obviously had no idea where she was or what she was doing. If she'd kept flying her Cherokee and concentrated on airmanship and navigation she might still be with us. This is sad, and her instructors probably could have prevented it.
> If she'd kept flying her Cherokee and concentrated on airmanship and navigation she might still be with us. I doubt it. She was definitely in over her head, but I think she was in over her head no matter what she was flying. She had NO IDEA which was she was pointed. Being in a Cherokee would not change that fact. She had no business driving a car, let alone flying aircraft.
From what I saw, her intstructor did things for her instead of teaching her how to do them. It is fortunate that she did not crash into a school or any other building. I have worked with instructors, engineering, not flying, who liked to demonstrate to a trainee by doing the procedure themselves. Trainee was happy because they didn't have to do anything and could easily pass the assessment. Some instructors may know how to do, but just don't know how to teach.
@@y00t00b3r some people just have no sense of direction, and yes, have no business at the controls as we are meant to be honest about our personal limitations.. E.g Im terrible at higher math and no amount of studying would make it that much better, as I swap numbers in my head.
Like... I haven't even flown a kite since the 70s lol, I'm the least mechanical minded person you could ever meet. I struggle getting the back off of the TV remote to change the batteries I couldn't even follow the simple directions on how to hang a command hook.... and even i know enough to kno she was a danger to herself and public any time she was in the pilot seat
Ive seen far too many people that just go through the motions without the slightest bit of understanding as to what they are doing, and their roll in an event unfolding. Like, the most brain dead reduced simplified version of if this than that kind of stuff. You know those people that lock up and just freeze letting their car roll into something at 5 miles an hour? Or the young people that 'forgot which one was the break' and bury their SUV into the dining area of a Subway? Or the people that muzzle others like its no big deal because they dont mean to shoot anyone so its fine stop yelling? Yeah....those kind of people. Just going through the motions of life, not once giving a single passing thought to the cold reality of the universe around them. Hell, there was another pilot of a commercial jet coming into a remote socked in airport that kept having to go around because they couldn't see the runway.....and they kept calling minimums right at 200'..... Like, its not a freaking call you make when the altimeter ticks over to 200!!! Its a go/no-go call for a safe landing!!! The fact people like that exist, are allowed to drive cars, much less get pilots licenses and commercial jet endorsements....it just outright curdles my blood. Because its not hard to take something seriously enough to learn all you can about it. It really freaking isnt. I am a firm believer that anyone can learn anything, all that is required is for it to be communicated in a way they can digest. Thats it. That jet pilot, this pilot, that asshat that blows stop signs, the 20 something that didnt mean to run over someone just eating their Subway lunch and doesnt understand why they're going to jail....as good as it feels to dress up our "OH OF COURSE THEY DID!" prejudices with token 'im not [thing]-ist but...' rhetoric....the absolute truth of the matter is ...... wait for it, cuz yall are gonna hate it ........ WE ALL FAILED THEM!!!! EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US!!! It IS NOT entirely on them. Its on ALL OF US that see this vapid doe eyed skipping though the world on whatever luck the universe gave them to skip by on and do nothing to correct it. To engage. To test their cognesence. Place them in low hanging fruit scenarios so all they have to do is go through the motions, never learning to develop that knee jerk panic reaction of hitting Z when X while Y happens. And as long as we dont shame them into becoming more experienced in the world around them, and allow them to only know the bare minimum required to feign a functional human being then IT IS US WHO HAVE SOME OF THAT WEIGHT TO BEAR. Period. Yes, force them to learn something. Make your kid change to the spare in the drive way, or randomly in a parking lot. It really is as simple as "you dont get the keys until you change the tire. Ill walk you through it, but now is your opportunity to gain some life experience. Dont like it? Fine, you dont drive my car. Easy peasy." Or "put on some work cloths, you're learning to change the breaks/oil today" Or what ever. The point is they either learn to embrace the chance to learn something about the world around them that will make them an intelligent functional member of the modern species, or.....screw em they dont get no perks. "But thats mean" I hear some smooth brain think far too loudly. No, you're mean, and reckless, letting someone on the road that doesnt know how a car works or has ingrained it in their very physical form which one is the stoppy foot thingy. YOU GET TO CARRY THAT WEIGHT WITH YOU! I dont care if they spell it break, brake, or stoppy thingy over on this side, I really, REALLY dont. I care they they have the primed instinctual reaction to hit it when the situation calls for it and that they never confuse it for the go lever! If someone, anyone, LITERALLY ANYONE, had done things like that to her before in her life, maybe she would have had that little nagging shame in the back of her mind to sit down with the manual for her GPS and figure out how it worked top to bottom. But no. She was allowed to skirt along....Just like so many other people. Also, for the record, those last two sentences were the only ones in this whole rant that mentioned a gender. Any gender you implied internally while reading any of this is entirely on you. Hopefully that has given yall readers pause, and inspired yall to take a deeper look at your assumptions about the world. Fix your prejudices. Its not a penis problem. Its not a vagina problem. It is a human problem. Stop placating vapid stupidity and malicious ignorance. Its actively harming people every time we do. And when doing so does harm another person, we all get to own a bit of that blame for not reaching out to a fellow human, making a connection, communicating, listening, understanding, making the effort, to build the awareness we all need to posses for that better safer world they keep promising us is just around the corner. Well, unless we start doing something about these kinds of behaviors, it will never be there when we round that bend. If common sense we common, everyone would have it. Share some of yours with the less fortunate. No judgements. Just being human. Thats all it takes.... We can do it if we try. I still believe in us.
I recently completed a motorcycle training course, and one of the most important things my instructors said to me was in the debrief after I'd passed the final test: "You've passed the parking lot test. I just need you to know that that doesn't mean you're ready to ride on the road." I was NOT, and I knew it, but it was almost a relief to hear them say it. And I spent weeks practicing every day in safe situations before I put myself or others in danger by trying a (quiet!) public road for the first time. It's really sad that she didn't have that kind of loving reality check from any of her instructors at any point.
Good for you! Now, a little word from me with over 30 years experience..... You'll be learing for the rest of your life. Never think you know it all, and nothing will happen to you. Ride safe!
Also, there are two rules to keep in mind, Rule 1, Drive like everyone is out to kill you. Rule 2, Everyone is out to kill you. An old rider taught me these rules 40 years ago, and they still hold true today. But a good day on the bike is still one of the best experiences you can have. Stay safe.
Even more advice from someone who has ridden many years…(motorcyclist love to give advice). BE SEEN…not fashionable or looking cool. Fluorescent Yellow / Green / Yellow green …and a lot of it. Ignore crazy studies that claim it doesn’t make a difference. It makes a huge difference. I have witnessed the difference and my friends have also. It is great to be aware and maneuver around dangerous situations when other drivers don’t see you and surprise you. But it is much much much better to just be seen. Do whatever you can possibly do to be seen!
I am an unadventurous microlight pilot, I have flown for years but have stayed in my comfort zone, fun flying, nothing too complex, I use a traditional map and always know where I am, in familiar territory and never in weather conditions that are too challenging.
My Dad has flown for over 50 years and my brother flies a fighter. When I was younger I considered pursuing a license. However, I know my limitations. I don't have the attention to detail that they do. So I decided to keep my feet on the ground. But I salute those that do it and love it. By the way, this was a nicely done video and very respectful while providing the necessary blunt honesty. My soul aches for those two in their last moments.
I’m a semi truck driver and this is very interesting SAFETY is number one rule always, I have been driving over a million miles (25 plus years) and drive 1000 miles weekly without an accident. I still watch training videos regularly..thanks
40 yr pilot and 30 yr controller here. Jenny was not, nor ever would have been a pilot. She had resources, looks and guile. Sadly, those three things, along with possibly the worst flight instructors in the history of aviation got her and her father killed. She was quite literally clueless about anything aviation-related unless she could press “pause” and search for the answer on her iPhone. Her tragedy represents the absolute worst that our current society accepts as reality, but reality it is and we all can learn some valuable lessons here if we just look at the facts. Beautiful job, Hoover. You skillfully combine the salient details while keeping the humanity out of the debrief. It’s obvious you’ve done this a few times and we pilots should all be willing to take a humility pill now and again in spite of our protesting egos. Bravo.
Careful here people. Her outcome is more society-based anthropomorphic than gender-biased. For every Jenny, there are twenty men who think they can outwhit mother nature to their early demise. She, sadly, chose to provide graphic video evidence of her incompetence. Tragic was that.
I've watched a few RUclipsrs talk about this accident since it happened, and since you're my favorite fellow former safety air winger (different family, Marines here), I was WONDERING when you were going to debrief this one. It was certainly a tough one to watch. The basics were not even followed. Aviate? Out the window. Navigate? Hoping the auto-pilot magically takes you there? Communicate? Not there. This was the scariest case of total lack of situational awareness on SO many levels. I don't even know if I would call this an "accident". Operational...Risk....Management. JEESUS.
I used to be a flight instructor and on two occasions I had to tell my students that I was really sorry, but flying was just not for them. I’m not saying that is the case for this lady, but I know it was the right decision for my two students that I had. If they would have ever been able to pass the check ride, I was 100% certain they would have killed them selves in a crash and I just did not want that on me.
We need more instructors like you. Unfortunately many of them are just looking to make money and build hrs on their way to ATP, so they don't speak up when they should.
I'm not a pilot, more of a flight enthusiast. I find these videos very insightful. What I do know and what I would remind every pilot is that "gravity" is unforgiving. Be coachable in your pilot journey. Flight simulators exist for a reason, to help you prepare for situations that you least expected.. Just watching this video, if I were the father, given the proximity disorientation that is being exhibited, I would have calmly said..."You know what, contact air traffic control and request approach/clearance for a return landing". Then you have a heart to heart with your daughter. May they both rest in peace.
Im an old, old school pilot who learned to fly at Randolph AFB. I had a hard ass old-school instructor who taught me how to "fly" before I learned anything else. Needle ball and air speed are all you really need. All the rest is convenience. Even some airline pilots have forgotten that lesson or never learned to first "fly the airplane", e.g. airiner lost over the Atlantic because pilots were flying the buttons instead of the airplane. RIP tennessee fly girl
Air France Flight 447 was especially tragic because the crew had MINUTES to fix the stall condition on the airplane. Unfortunately the way that airbus designed the control stick wasn’t conducive to proper crew resource management since the sticks operated independently of each other. One pilot was pulling the stick back because the pitot tubes were frozen and he was unknowingly receiving incorrect instrument readings while the other was trying to correct the stall condition and had correct instrument readings. By the time the second pilot realized what was going on it was too late.
@@AmericanAdvancement The poor pilot in the jump seat. _Knew all along._ He was giving them sound advice. That's what yanks at my heart the most. The competent person in the cockpit - was never given control.
Aviate, Navigate, Communicate - the order of priorities in the cockpit. Fly the plane first is what I was taught. I guess the old school lessons are being lost. Another old saying we used to have: There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but never old bold pilots.
As a retired airline line Captain and a Standards Captain, i did my share of flight simulator instruction. In out training scenarios, we would get the trainee down to Standy-by Power in a 727 or the equivalent in the 757 and 767 and fly approaches. Using the standby instruments really was a confidence builder for the trainee and although not an FAA checking maneuver, had a valuable place in training. The other point, as you mentioned, someone ALWAYS flies the aircraft while the other crewmember(s) work whatever emergency that they have been given. Autoflight is a wonderful tool but we need to constantly polish our skill set with the basics.
Tell them Mrs. Flight Instructor!! Tell them! Get on to them!! A skydiver explained the difference between' rules' and Laws. He said, Rules are written by men and if you understand the rule and the reason behind it thoroughly, understand your skills, and equipments thoroughly and thoroughly understand the situation you are in, you can, maybe with a little luck, break the rule(s) and be fine. For example, "Thou shalt not exit through clouds" is an FAA rule, but if you can explain to any investigator, why it made sense to do it, you'll be ok". "Laws are written by GOD, and there are no appeals. Gravity is the Law - if you exit this aircraft without a parachute, you will accelerate at approximately 32 feet per second UNTIL YOU REACH terminal velocity for your aerodynamic configuration" #fafo2029 Aviation is UNforgiving!!
You set the cameras up and if they screw up o'well. You can do it again. If you crash screwing with cameras someone else will be monetizing the story of how you died.
Better yet, make the students who film their own flights pay careful attention to their videos. If Jenny paid attention to the EVP voices recorded in the video equipment, she could have saved her own life. It was obvious that someone or something was in the cockpit giving her directions. Even a guardian angel can't save you if you don't listen to what they have to say. What is the craziest part is the recorded voice at 9:56 which said "You're going to crash the plane!" Its a very faint voice that sounds like static, but you can make out what it said clearly. Right when she said that she turned it off accidentally and she turned it on, the voice at 10:01 said "Don't do that!" That voice was trying to save her life. I'm sure most people would not have even noticed it.
I'm glad my instructor hammered into me to fly the airplane visually first and foremost and use the gizmos as a secondary tool. Thanks to that I've had a situation with total electrical failure of the aircraft, no garmin, no radio, nothing, and still managed to fly back to the airport maintaining altitude and heading using nothing but a compass and a paper chart. Seems like a pain to learn the analog way first but Jenny's accident is an example of why it's still important.
Agree! On my first lesson my CFI was pointing out all the radios and instrument. When he got to the AP he said "this is the auto pilot and you don't get to use it! Any questions"? Didn't start using it till a fair bit after my check ride. He also added another step to the emergency off field landing check list "hit the softest, least expensive thing at the slowest possible speed" He was funny guy
There are Republican instructors who make themselves personally responsible and take pride in the development and welfare of a student. And there are democrat instructors, where everything is equal and there are no bad consequences and they just want to depopulate the earth !
As someone who was a skydiver in 93, I lost my friend due to a reserve malfunction. While I didn’t have children yet (23 yo) she did. I’ve since became a mom to 3 and my youngest turns 18 this November. That will be when I return to a hobby I loved. Your channel has really helped my become hyper aware of things to take note & be aware. This video and story is tragic and not a circumstance I’d be in, all are informative.
How this woman passed her private check ride is beyond comprehension. Additionally, why no one from flight instructors to FAA representatives who may have watched some of her videos stepped forward to tell her she was unsafe and needed additional (LOTS) of training is also sad, as perhaps her death could have been avoided.
Hold on that is the first thought. She was probably very competent in the airplane that she took lessons and took her check ride. her mistake was she upgraded to a bigger, faster airplane without getting a thorough understanding of its systems and how everything works in the new Bonanza.
I'm not a pilot, but I've dealt with folks like her. I bet there were people around this woman and knew how bad she was, and didn't tell her to her face for whatever reason or if they did say something she couldn't/wouldn't/didn't listen. I'll guess, deep down, she knew how bad she really was. I'll also guess that there were other scary incidents that were recoded, but weren't posted. She kept doing what she was getting away with until all everything came together and it wss too much for her to overcome and she paid for it.
100% truth. You'll be called a misogynist for being critical of a woman's dangerous behavior. Scary world we live in where the genitals you have can mean you're allowed to put others at risk.
100% truth. You'll be called a misogynist for being critical of a woman's dangerous behavior. Scary world we live in where the genitals you have can mean you're allowed to put others at risk.
100% truth. You'll be called a misogynist for being critical of a woman's dangerous behavior. Scary world we live in where the genitals you have can mean you're allowed to put others at risk.
Wow. As a father myself I'm wondering what her father was thinking during their last flight. It was obvious she was not exhibiting good skills or knowledge even to a non-pilot. She was obviously preoccupied with something other than safely flying.
The last vid would certainly go viral, should be posted as poignant learning experience but won't due to lessor priorities. (assuming some of the recordings survived impact)
@@eliotmansfield it’s true. It’s the background program that humans run. When a man is flying an airplane he’s consciously thinking about navigation, direction, perhaps talking to the tower etc, but subconsciously he’s processing how the airplane feels, vibration, sound, G forces etc… When a woman is flying an airplane she’s consciously thinking about the same things, but subconsciously she’s thinking “how’s my hair?” 💅🏾
It’s like she was trying to play the role of a pilot instead of just being a pilot. I think she had grown into a mindset of always viewing herself as a character on social media. That’s at least one layer of abstraction away from being yourself in the moment doing something that requires enormous concentration.
I went on one flight, to see if this was something I wanted to take up as the “expensive hobby”. I spent my career as an emt. Being high on my own adrenaline isn’t new to me. He gave me the stick and showed me a heading, mapping is something I also thoroughly enjoy, and for five minutes I found something inside me that wanted to become that adrenaline junkie all over again. Lowered my chin a bit, cocked my head took a deep breath. And promptly asked the pilot to take over so I could enjoy the view. “Didn’t you like it? You looked like you did” “No one needs me to be a pilot. I was born a menace. I don’t need wings.”
This is how my father use to do trips with his car. He was proud not having an accident in 40+ years. I can tell you, this was because of the skills and awareness of the other drivers on the road.
i think this is a good point. it's not always about getting into the accident but how those accidents nearly happened or how they were actually prevented.
When I was learning to drive some decades ago, my dad's advice was valuable. Some of Dad's advice from his old Chevy might have even prevented this pilot's death. "don't mess with the controls", which was his way of saying that the driver should know where everything is and how to work it without looking at it. Hah, back then, his car only had AM and FM radio! We didn't have cell phones, cassette tapes, and not even old 8-Track machines in our cars. We didn't even have intermittent windshield wipers! We did have air conditioning, but that didn't work at all in the car in which I learned to drive! Another bit of advice from Dad was "this guy here is going to end up causing an accident, but he probably won't be in the accident himself. Keep an eye out for him, even if you get in front of him."
Most people who drive cars never have a crash, they are called sunday drivers. Car crashes have nothing to do with skill, you can't possibly account for every possible scenario when you drive a lot. Plenty of very skilled couriers who still get into crashes because of other drivers, that's because they drive all day.
Thanks for your perspective. I found her channel a few months before her accident. I am a low time private pilot and I cringed at some of her videos. It was easy to see that she was in way over her head with that airplane. Always sad to see anyone lose their life in that way. Condolences to her loved ones.
Great video! Retired Naval Aviator here - you’re on target with the value of a brutally honest debrief. In flight school I remember reviewing accident footage to learn from others’ mistakes - this would be a good video for new pilots. Human factors are the biggest killer in aviation. A beautiful aircraft with all of the gadgets in the world are useless if the pilot doesn’t take time to be familiar with those systems. What’s most disturbing is what appears to be a lack of awareness of the gravity of her situation. Frustrating to watch - she needs a good mentor.
I completely agree with what you said that this video will help save future lives. I am an FAA licensed A&P mechanic. I’ve been around general aviation aircraft for over 25 years. EVERYTHING you said is true with regard to a pilot briefing themselves. A pilot has to have IMOP years of knowledge and hours under their belt before considering a purchase of an aircraft. A serious pilot should gain hours and hours in what they know at a slow and steady pace. My heart breaks for this family.
My goal is to share compelling aviation stories. You are the ones that have the power to use that information to save lives!
Here's another pilot debrief if you want to learn more: ruclips.net/video/hmmAWt1S650/видео.html
Just wanted you to know that this is one of my favorite channels. And it is completely you that gives it its authenticity and it's credibility. I'm not a pilot I have no experience with their plans never actually been on an airplane. But you can definitely tell you know what you're talking about. And I've seen and watched every single one of your videos. And was very happy to learn more about your experience in the last one. Have a good New Year
You’re producing great content, Hoover. Much appreciated.
I think what happened was simple to explain. As is known, she had issues working/understanding her AP. She fought it wanting to climb (as seen in her other videos) by using heavy/full nose down trim. This time, similar scenario, but she disconnected the AP (maybe accidentally even turned it off again and still didn’t know how to turn it on) and the plane instantly went full nose down and spiral. She probably panicked and was fiddling with the AP and or simply pulling up but forgot to level her trim. She fought the plane all the way down. And it’s likely control surfaces broke apart at that violent rate of descent as well…
Thankyou so much Hoover!
🤣🤣🤣@tracksuitJohn
Here is the take away from this crash: This young pilot knew she was incompetent but just laughed it off showing that she never took the gravity of that attitude. She crashed a fully serviceable plane in perfect weather entirely due to her incompetence. Her focus was on becoming a celebrity youtuber, not becoming a better pilot. The FAA needs to be aware of these rising wannabe celebrity pilots in a social media dominated world.
Yes, social media no doubt had some influence on the outcome of this woman's life. I commented similarly elsewhere. The FAA might start having a closer look at youtube & those that post 'pilot flying' videos..
She wasn't young
Yeh someone did this already, she had no business in a complex aircraft.
Another dude did a A+ job on auto pilot explanation.
I don't know what is this narcissism and desire to expose all your life for public viewing. Well if you earn enough money from this at least chose something less dangerous than flying. Sorry for these two ridiculously lost lives.
@@nickolaymiltenovOnly Fans for simps
I'm a 747 Captain with over 15,000 hours of service. Some of the most valuable conversations I have had during my career have been very uncomfortable ones in which people who were looking out for me pointed out deficiencies which needed correcting. Those people are our real friends, and my continued success is part of THEIR legacy.
I had a high time 135 pilot ask me how to use the flight director in a caravan 1 hr before her flight...I advised her to cancel....get more training.she left anyway n flew into a line of cells...crashed! And radar didn't seem to make a difference! Always pissed me off...company didn't give a shit
@@mikearakelian6368 what is a a high time 135 pilot?
Why that made you uncomfortable? It is our job to keep correcting each other in a respectful and constructive manner.
@@aliceenland9360 You are absolutely right. When I think I'm OK and someone challenges that paradigm, it makes me uncomfortable. That's normal. My real friends are more concerned for my welfare than my comfort zone. I live those guys.
@@thomasvet488 that reply was for you. I don't know why it tagged the wrong person
40 years later and these wise words from my FI are still in my head. "Anyone can learn to fly a plane, not everyone can learn to become a pilot."
Ditto cars.
pilot (n.) from Italian piloto, supposed to be an alteration of Old Italian pedoto, which usually is said to be from Medieval Greek *pedotes "rudder, helmsman," from Greek pedon "steering oar," related to pous (genitive podos) "foot,"
Pilot -- one who steers. Not everyone can be someone who steers.
I still hear him saying during landing approach..."Keep your hands on the goddamn throttle!!!
How true that. 😣😣
bravo 4 words if wisdom. ❤
Getting lost while still in view of the airport you just took off from is an art form unlike any other.
She probably thought she could fake this as 'content' (any click is a paying click, regardless the comment), pretending to get lost, then 'saving herself'
Yeah,... well, I guess not,..
I'm sorry, that's funny!
It may have helped if she had some arrows on the windscreen, saying up, down, left and right. The down arrow should be painted in red.
@@wilsjane
Suddenly the scene in ID4 with Will Smith in the alien fighter accidentally backing up, then turning the paper upside down, comes to mind
What does that even mean?
I just cannot get over the fact she had a huge compass right in the middle of the dash, and still had no idea where she was going...
That's the part that boggled my mind with that video as well. She knew she basically had to go dead East after takeoff, she literally commed that waiting for clearance. OK, so maybe you get a bit confused after you're in the air because you accidentally went left instead of right, the sun was in your eyes, autopilot did something you didn't expect, whatever. You're still quite close to your starting point...turn until you're dead East on the compass and you'll practically be perfectly on course still.
The instrument will help you only if you look at it.
My flying experience is limited to MSFS, plus half an hour in a Cherokee in a "come-and-try" experience. I reckon 80% of my attention was on the compass and altimeter.
Thanks to an excellent instructor I was able to enjoy the experience without making any mistakes.
Female pilot.
@@earlycuyler4019what does that mean? Females don’t understand how a compass works or just female pilots?
A compass? What's that for? Old tech, can't be worth anything. If I could just figure out how to turn on my modern tech I'd be fine.
I received my pilots license in 1993.
After I passed my check-ride I simply realized I wasn't good enough to continue flying.
I never flew again.
I think I made the right decision.
No regrets.
Oh no that is sad... my plan is to take an experienced co pilot with me for at least the first 100hrs and at least another 100hrs on any new planes that I get to know
I did the same! Passed the check ride for my ppl with ease…….and then never flew again.
It takes a lot of guts to admit that you aren't up to doing something and I truly applaud you for taking that decision. I the guy that did my instructor training said something to me that has stuck with me all my life... just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. And in the context of flying he was making the point that not everyone has all the skills necessary to be a pilot. I have only once had to sit down with someone and ask if they really want to continue with lessons. It was awful for both of us but I felt it was the right thing to do.
Nice self reflection. I’m raised with aircraft. Basically flown them all. (Better explained as a lot) but turning 55 I was fed up with it. Getting older a noticed I was not up te speed anymore. I was flying on routine skills. So I quit.
I did the Air Cadet flying deal so tried aerobatics and the like. Decided to stick to cars.
Her mental attitude seems strange. She is behind the aeroplane, and she realises it (she knows she cannot work the autopilot, is "unsure of her position," etc), AND... she is not bothered. Her voice is sooo relaxed. She is not trying to solve her problems, or get anyone else to solve them, in any way. Yet surely she knew you can die in an aeroplane. It is an astonishing level of detachment.
She seemed overwhelmed most of the time; some people exhibit this detached state when over the limit. I find these people very scary indeed..
I'm guessing Xanax.
There are more videos of her really struggling to use autopilot using buttons wrongly etc, clearly she had no idea how it worked. And these videos were on her channel for months why nobody bothered to warn her or perhaps she refused to listen is really mind boggling..
Because she was a #girlboss who was always in control!
Until she wasn't. Her attitude was her problem at the fundamental level. She was the type of human being who was allowed to skirt by and "succeed" in everything she did because other people wouldn't allow her not to.
@@steveludwig4200 Quite the dick move to suggest she was on drugs. Way to slander the dead.
FAA ought to ban these social media narcissistic videocasts. In the hands of an inexperienced pilot, these can be mostly fatal. There is enough to do and coordinate in an unforgiving environment without being distracted by trying to make an impression on video. The mantra is: Aviate, Navigate, Communicate... there is nothing about social mediate! Thanks Hoover for another expert debrief.
To be Brutally honest… I’m surprised she lasted so long.
I'm surprised she never collided with another aircraft
@@flywheel8541 Hitting another aircraft in 3D space is much harder than hitting another car in the 2D space of the road.
Me too.
When all is said and done, those small planes are usually the cause of death for MANY people that die on airplanes! They are usually where celebrities and lots of people die as they are weaker and less stable than the bigger planes!
Im surprised she wasn't already flying for United before the incident.🤔
I am a retired boat captain who had to navigate channels in pitch-black conditions with heavy winds, current, fog, rain, and sleet using just the radar. At times, I couldn't see other ships I was passing in narrow channels. When I first got my mates license I was having trouble tuning the the radar so the captain came over and said I suggest you read the entire radar manual and he added a comment I never forgot throughout my career and that was "You gotta be smarter than the equipment you are operating." It's too bad no one took her aside and said,"Hey, you are in over your head."
I told my kids when they were little, you have to be smarter than the box to open it! I can't imagine navigating at night in heavy winds, current, fog and rain. The interstate is enough of a challenge for me. No, they don't call me Ishmael !
She was over her head at that time. If someone had said what your captain had said to you, she might have realized she needed more study.
She identified as a man. lol
I was told it was the "10% Rule". You have to be at least 10% smarter than the equipment to use it properly.
I was on a 50m in conditions that shook my bones, visibility was zero, and we were all in the wheel house with the captain that was so collected it appeared that 100% of his effort was focused on keeping his coffee from spilling. Not a concern in the world while the rest of the crew acted like it was just another day at the dock. I now have 2 rules about boating, if your crew aint that salty dont invite me and I will never go back to St. George, the Bering Sea aint for me!
From someone who has watched most of the pertinent videos on her channel before they were removed, I'm baffled as to how she ever got her PPL. She didn't have even a basic understanding of how to fly. Frankly, she was utterly incompetent. In one video, she showed herself driving to an airport. In that video, she ran multiple stop signs, and was just as flippant about safe driving as she was about flying. What's sad is that not one person she encountered during her training and flying had the guts to step up and tell her that she had no business at the controls of an airplane, and never would have. And Hoover is correct. The NTSB found that her trim was set five degrees nose down at the time of the crash. That's halfway to the maximum of ten degrees.
Someone will read that and think it's cruel and disrespectful, not me. If my pilot offered me a ride to the airport and drove like that no way am I getting into that plane. This is why I cringe at the thought of flying cars, something I've been reading for 40+ years. It's just not going to happen.
@@dicksonfranssenI am with you about flying cars. No worries though, they will be run by AI. 😂
@@sixter4157 AI, automated incompetence.
She would not have even qualified to be a stinkin UBER driver with those very OBVIOUS lack of Navigational skills.....What a shame for her Mom and Dad. RIP all...
@@dicksonfranssen I am stealing that.
"I accidentally turned my gps off and I have no idea how to turn it back on" Who the hell goes flying in a plane they have no idea how to use?!
Checklist anyone? OM?
the kind of person with such a lack of self doubt to start two businesses, it's a different mindset of just pure self confidence and disregard of any of the kind of concerns the rest of us would have
@trif55 to be honest, the risk-taking mentality of many entrepreneurs is lethal in the cockpit. Flying is a lot a out minimizing and mitigating risks and many successful people tend to ignore dangers instead of addressing them.
@@mikeeubank246 yea I've often wondered how people who invest their life savings in a business don't see the risks etc
She was a perfect example of just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should.
Agreed. Just to throw in an alternate perspective...know when YOU should know more, be more deliberate and pay closer attention. I love the idea pushing the envelope but she pushed too hard too fast.
Anything you can do I can do better I can do anything better than you..... so sad
Daddy gave her the money but not the smarts to tell her to stop. Unfortunate
Clearly she couldn't fly nor should she have.
@@freespeech469 It's very common for fathers to want the best for their "little girl", and throughout the child's life, "no" is a word they never hear. They're told they're "special", and whatever they want, they get. It comes as a shock when they later discover that real life's not like that.
I see a parallel here with some doctors who decide to become pilots. They've already accomplished a lot in life, and acquired complex skills in their profession, some of them just think, how difficult can it be to just fly an airplane? And some of them end up at the bottom of a smoking hole, which is why Beechcraft Bonanzas got the nickname "Forked-tail Doctor-Killers". They just didn't take flying all that seriously, with fatal consequences.
Her buying a new fancy plane right after getting her license speaks volumes about where her heart and mind was when it comes to flying. It didn't seem like she wanted to learn the craft. She wanted to be able to tell people she was a pilot. That is as deep as that went for her.
The fact that things aren't going well, and she's busy playing with her hair (is it for the camera, or just a nervous reaction?) spoke volumes. Her follow-up about dying when she couldn't figure out how to turn the stupid autopilot on had ME dying...of second-hard embarrassment, NOT laughter.
@@moosecat yeah and someone else pointed out the strangeness of how calm she was and how she made no effort to problem solve or ask for help from anyone else... it really made me think that she just didn't "get" what piloting a plane really means. It's not like learning how to ride a jet ski... It's serious business on so many levels.... She acts like she was on one of those spinning rides at Disney world and couldn't figure out how to get it to twirl.
Social media is a drug. She wanted to be a social media star.
(I'm not a pilot). A 58 year old plane can still be considered "fancy"?
@@CS-uc2oh Makes you think of the the Dunning-Kruger effect and how the most ignorant people act the most confident because they don't know enough to know how little they know. One could almost imagine that her being a successful independent businesswoman gave her a sense of entitlement and the idea that she could "conquer anything" on her own pure ability and that there was no possible way she could be as far behind as she actually was.
9:14 About 3 weeks ago I made this comment on one of Blanco's videos about this... and got shot down. Here's the comment I made:
As a pilot and a RUclipsr who posts aviation content...
I film my flights mostly for myself, as a debriefing tool. I rewatch while I edit and critique my every move and radio call in an effort to improve. Putting the videos up on RUclips is an afterthought to share with those who are interested in aviation. If people didn't watch, if there was no demand for the videos, I'd still make them for myself as a learning tool.
What I can't fathom is how TNFlygirl could watch her own flights during the edits and not see that she wasn't in control. How could she not notice that she was always three or more steps behind?
She probably had excuses for everything in her head.
I’m not entirely against cameras in the cockpit. Those that use them need to have a level of maturity and awareness to always make the camera secondary to everything else. Used correctly, they can serve as a valuable debrief tool like you mentioned but if the focus ever shifts to being more about the social media views than the debrief then it’s time to stop.
It's a bit like those who take car driving lessons with their friends in the back. You cannot possibly be 100% concentrating on the lesson if you are considering what your mates are thinking, even on the remote chance that they behave themselves and don't actively distract. Cameras always have a possibility of doing the same .
I also watched all her videos before they were taken down and the one common thread was not one of her CFI's were honest with her, they were doing the work for her. They also should be held accountable, this was a perfect storm of events leading to what happened.
She probably didn't notice because it was completely normal for her. As far as she was concerned, that was what flying was.
Honestly her CFI and the flight school that signed her off for her PPL should be investigated.
I'm pretty confident that they were following their guidelines and standards. Flight school is slightly harder and more expensive than a driving school and yet both are essentially the same thing. They try to prepare you for the real deal, but in the end you're never going to be a great pilot/driver after the training alone.
They know that, and it's fair, because flying shouldn't be locked away behind thousands of hours of training. Just like driving a car it should be at least accessible.
In the end it's all up to the pilot to know their limits and have a basic survival instinct. To put it brutally: the flight school certificates are here to decide how many people you are allowed to put in risk. For example getting a solo license is not that hard, it takes just about 40 hours of flight sessions, the only factor really is that if you're stupid and overestimate your ability, you're likely only going to hurt yourself. The next licences in line are simply making it harder for you to hurt more people, but it is all up to you and it's pretty much impossible to test people for their deeper mentality.
In retrospect she obviously had a very poor mentality, but I'd say a huge factor was the new plane. For all we know she did excellent on her training model and there was no way for the flight school to know what she's planning. Again because they only show you the way, you need to walk it.
Really just similar to driving. I got my driver's license and I am not yet confident, so I don't really drive in the city yet, because I don't want to cause an accident. Still some people will do so because they are arrogant and some may even pass a truck school with the same lack of experience, it's going to be marginally more difficult, but not impossible if they have basic motor skills. Then the only thing stopping them from trucking in tight streets is their own self reflection.
And that's fair, flying shouldn't be off limits, and brutally regulated. The licences are structured sequentially with your experience: 1)you are the pilot 2)all of the people you can carry know what kind of pilot you are and can decide if they want to get into the bird with you 3)at the point that passengers no longer have to know the pilot, they pilots are pretty much guaranteed to have thousands of hours.
ASP
@@hvip4
It’s inconceivable that her father was allowed under law to go up in the air with this dingbat!
@@hvip4
She shouldn’t have been allowed to bring other innocent souls up with her in the air.
"A smart man learns from his own mistakes, but a wise man learns from others' mistakes"
even wiser man knows he aint born to fly so he stays on the ground
You assumed (insert incorrect plural word here) gender!! WTF dude? /s
Key word is “man.” She was a woman
(Sad) Corollary: Learn from other people's mistakes. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself.
'but this was a woman' - and your point is? @@LazloNQ
Engages the A/P and then says "let's see where it takes us" Unbelievable.
It’s like she thought Auto-Pilot is AI Controlled..
I'm hoping she was just being a smart-ass, but, maybe, not.
Wait? You don't have the newest Garmin AP with telepathic power to know what altitude and heading you want to fly?!
@@retro440 she probably already had experience with it taking her places other than where she wanted to go, since she had no idea how to program it.
Seriously, when you engage AP, you should know exactly what it's going to do, and if it does anything else, you immediately disable it. YOU are the PIC, not the autopilot. Fly the plane, don't let it fly you.
I watched all her RUclips flying videos before they were removed, and 'shocked' is an understatement. It doesn't take someone highly involved in aviation to quickly pick-up on her attention to hair, cameras, technology, chewing gum, fiddling with stuff, social media, voice-overs - she appeared completely detached from the reality of what she was attempting to do and she showed no apparent concern of how knowledgeable and competent she appeared to whoever might be watching her online. It's as if all the lights weren't on or no one was really home - she just wasn't present in her situation - if you know what i mean. She was there, but she wasn't all there - and she apparently had no clue. I'm shocked her dad would go up with her. A horrible tragedy for this family, but certainly other eager students can and should learn from this.
Ditto, Reminds me of so many soccer moms driving in my neighborhood. They don't even get out of the driveway before messing with their phones , completely oblivious to everything . I miss the days when so many would just chain smoke cigarettes and white knuckle it to the watering hole 🍻 The algo's have destroyed most peoples cogitative processes.
If you read this far you should watch " The Social Dilemma" documentary style movie. It's very enlightening about social media and it's effects on it's users.
Yes, this the your new generation of pilots, doctors, train operators, etc. The zombies are already here..
Dunning Kruger effect. She was so bad at aviating that she was unaware of all the stuff she was bad at.
Non-pilot aviation enthusiasts, or people who know some science, or just a bit of orienteering, can spot numerous faults and weaknesses in her flying.
Geez, forget aviation. How does she drive a car and arrive at a destination? Her route is due east. Put the sun on your right side, and you're already doing much better - with the bonus of not having to adjust the visors every 20 seconds. And the top device above her dashboard looks an awful lot like a compass. After take-off, turn right until that reads "EAST" or 90, and aviate a bit.
But she wanted to use the tech in her plane. That's fine. But on prior flights they "didn't work for her", or she couldn't turn it back on. How on earth can you realize you didn't know how to use your GPS in a flight, then laugh at yourself about it...but not then spend the next week reviewing the owner's manual, then practicing using it ON LAND, then air. Same for the autopilot.
Her video clips are just very hard to watch.
It’s tragic if you are not ahead of the plane
@Topfuelfan
I'm almost 70 and I have been a licensed pilot since I was 19.
I have never had a problem chewing gum and piloting an aircraft at the same time. As a matter of fact it helped me from getting a dry throat from the dry air in the jets.
This is the worst case of someone who should not have ever received a pilot certificate I have ever seen throughout my 35 years and 22,800 hours of flying.
Feminism killed those people
I really wonder how many experienced pilots commented on her videos expressing real and valid concerns... only to be ignored.
She probably thought she was a “baddie” 😂
@@BeefTallowBoy To be fair, dumb men exist too...
@@BeefTallowBoyrandom anti-feminist inserting random ranting in random videos.
What is really shocking about this incident is that weather was not a factor. Light winds, daytime, clear vis... it's really obvious she lacked solid foundational skills and that she was flying a far too complex aircraft for her skill level.
Simple actually - Not Qualified .
@@bobwilson758Who passed her ? Someone should have their instructor lic revoked
She got a degree in human resources, so you know why it happened.
Would she not have gotten lost if she was in the Piper?
@@Toro_Da_Corsa It's hard for me to immediately jump on that bandwagon. It's hard to say unless you were there and saw what the instructor saw. You would think you would notice severe deficiencies, or that you would be able to dig into the student while flying to see if you could bring them out. That's not always the case though... Perhaps when under scrutiny she performed passably. It wasn't just her instructor, it was the ffa examiner, then an instructor again for complex signoff, and another faa examiner. They all passed her. There's no way they would have if she couldn't hold a stable flight attitude at the time of examination. I'm not saying they didn't mess up, I'm just not going to assume they did, because I know it's possible to present differently at the time of the test.
I'm a recently licensed pilot. I have about 125 hours and am working on my instrument. I've had friends ask to bring a GoPro with and share videos of flying and have politely declined. It's a distraction I don't need. I am serious about becoming a better pilot, and I'm spending all my flying time talking with ATC on flight following, flying into and out of my towered home airport, learning to hand fly a plane not having the altitude and heading vary more than a few feet and a few degrees, etc.
In addition, I really think you're doing yourself a disservice as a pilot using auto-pilot when you're under 250 hours total time and still learning to fly, even in IMC. There is value in learning instrument scan and handflying even if you cannot see outside. Learn to fly before using all the gadgets that make things easier is the best approach IMO.
Agreed sir - completely !
Agreed on the autopilot. I very rarely fly with one at ~700 hours. I imagine when I get into instrument flying I’ll find it to be more advantageous, but right now I prefer to hand fly.
As far as the GoPro goes - I have a couple on my airplane and I film some flights. But I always set them up the night before so I’m not rushed on preflight trying to get them ready. I also set mine on the ground and let them run, if needed I can pause them with a remote in flight, but most of the time I film short trips so don’t bother. Video can be a great way to review flights, but you’re right, it can easily become a distraction if you aren’t careful.
I have heard it said that at 100-200 hours, a pilot "knows just enough to be dangerous". Sounds like you have the right idea.
You are a VERY wise aviator. The more a pilot is distracted in flight, the greater the risk of mishap. If a pilot can reduce distractions to the absolute minimum, including minimizing cockpit chatter, the greater the likelihood of catching something at the nascent phase that, if overlooked, could have disastrous consequences.
Worth knowing even as a low time pilot which circuit breakers will disable the autopilot if you are flying with one equipped regardless if you use it or not. Probably worth having some basic understanding also if its equipped. I agree low time pilots overuse the auto pilot regardless.
I feel so bad for her old man. Being completely helpless, unable to help his daughter. RIP dad!
She needed help when she was raised because what caused this was staggering level of entitlement and severely misplaced level of self worth
He raised her lol.
Its a darn shame.
S.m.h
It’s his own fault for never telling her she wasn’t smart enough to do this.
@JohnnytNaturalit’s true.
This is sad, but the fact that she doesn’t know how to turn on the autopilot and getting lost right next the airport is mind boggling!
I totally agree 🤯
Former flight instructor here. Confidence level goes up much faster than actual skill set.
Dunning Kruger effect
And nothing comes down faster when that skill set fails 😞
Factor in the influencer multiplier
@@Pf-js5vt Yup you beat me to it. I warned my son about the dunning kruger effect after he passed his driving test. About 18 months later he had a "prang" and broke a few bits on his car..... he called me to say "Dad, just to let you know ive arrived in the 'pit of despair"....
Dunning Kruger effect
I was told on passing my check ride, "this is a license to learn". I always remembered and took it seriously.
I agree with you! When I got my commercial pilots license my instructor told me: You just got a ticket to learn! Will never forget those words! He was right! 😊
I teach at a university, and I sometimes tell my students: College is not where you learn. It's where you learn how to learn.
SAME, I have had a PPL-H for 19 years and still learning!
A truely "smart" person would agree with this 100%, the biggest minds in science have always said, the more you learn the more you realize that you are not 100% an expert and never will be. Only "less intelligent" ppl (which makes sense no one person is born equal) usually will claim they know everything or take command due to that attitude, the attitude you have sir/madam, is therefore very admirable. Complacency/distractions were a big factor here I think, and overconfidence, no malice just sad
Very seriously, me too!!
Army vet (2000-2010) and one of the best pieces of advice I heard was, "You better be 10% smarter than equipment that can kill you".
I would say 100% NOT 10%
I'd actually say you should be at least 30-50% smarter. My 2 flight instructors both always told me when learning to fly VFR and IFR first you must learn how those instruments work, how to use them, then learn to trust them. Other great advice was to know your airplane thoroughly, learned its' quirks and how they can kill you, and how to deal with them and don't do stupid things - IE be more focused on your RUclips production than your plane. God rest your souls.
@@ryszardfrysztak4223
Essentially, sometimes even the best crash simple planes.
i think i'm 1% smarter
And that’s exactly why AI is gonna kill human civilisation.
I have no idea how she got her private pilot's licence. She clearly had no idea how to aviate, navigate, communicate. Her lack of situational awareness is unbelievable. Her instructor pilot's should be held accountable.
Did you see what see looked like?
I'm with you 💯
AVIATE, AVIATE, AVIATE , she got VFR flight following literally just fly the heading and altitude told every student pilot can do this after 5-10 hours ????
@@noles9998 Yes, just a normal woman, why?
@@orestispalampougioukis6043 apparently she wasn’t cause they just handed her a license.
You have done a great job of illustrating just how inept she very sadly was. I'm only a layman aviation fan, not a pilot, but it is just so blatently clear that she was neither qualified nor capable of safely operating an aircraft. She obviously didn't know what she was doing, didn't focus on the critical aspects of flying, and never should have passed certification. What a horrific mess.
And her father never said a word.
She should not have passed. But ppl that should pass fail , and ppl who should fail pass , all the time. It happens in driving too. Instructors that don't know what they are doing.
Yes. Inept is a good word. She was in way over her head. Although she was not a stupid person. I think it was a complete lack of common sense. Her meandering in the sky trying to reach the other airport is embarrassing. I hesitate to say it, but I think some people are just not capable of being pilots.
@@cw460 Well he did say something, but did not know what he was talking about as he was clueless just like her.
You'd think that the first time she found herself in a 'situation' it would scare - or at the very least, concern - to the point she would knuckle down and really learn what she was doing.
Being a pilot is scary. The one reason I stopped flying was you can’t pullover if you get lost. If you get overwhelmed you cannot pull over and pause. And you can’t zone out for even a second. It is constant attention because you are always moving in new invisible airspace and you have to be situationally aware at all times. It is brutally exhausting if you’re not cut out for it. If I had continued flying I would be a casualty for sure. I felt it in my gut.
Yep. I could probably get my license, but that doesn't mean I'd be a good pilot. I zone out too much. That's too dangerous.
10:56 10:56 10:57 10:57
Yeah fuck that
You can call yourself a pilot when you fly a commercial airliner
The best thing you could have done. It is well documented that specific personality traits are necessary for success in such an activity. And while the typical pilot personality brings its own challenges, it is generally much more suited to the essential demands of high stress multi-tasking in four dynamic dimensions while suppressing fear.
I was an instrument-rated private pilot. I trained in Knoxville and am very familiar with these airports and this area. I was always the opposite of Jenny Blalock...paranoid to a fault about safety, weather, navigation, etc. The crazy thing about this flight she was making is that you can almost see downtown Knoxville when you take off from Rockwood. There are two large steam plant towers and an interstate off to your left when you depart, plus the Smoky Mountains are due east. It's literally like getting lost walking to your mailbox. Some people just do not need to be pilots, period, and unfortunately for JB and her dad, she was one. The most important thing in life it to know what you don't know, especially in something as unforgiving as aviation.
Agreed. Clearly she didn't know that she don't know. Watching her videos is like watching someone without proper gun safety training, playfully pointing a loaded pistol around his/her friends. You really hope not, but also know that something really bad is going to happen.
Agreed. Unfortunately money talks louder than common sense.
Shame that DEI is replacing guys like you with the Jenny's of the world. Terrifying really.
Well stated!! So sorry for this tragedy that appears could have been avoided. Still so sad for this beautiful young lady and her precious father!
TRAINER KNEW SHE COULDN'T FLY,,,,,,,BUT PASSED HER ANYWAY 😱😱😱😱
In one of my old Air&Space magazine, there is the story of an experienced old pilot that still loved to fly. Then one day he felt lost, not knowing where he was. That day he decided to ground himself, with regrets. But he was aware of his responsibility as a pilot.
I was an Air Force pilot for twenty years and a flight instructor for pilot training for about half that time. This story reminds me of one involving a young flight instructor many years ago. As a student in Undergraduate Pilot Training (UPT), this young man required extra training to meet the minimum skills required for graduation. Under normal circumstances he would have been tagged as being in the bottom third of his class and would have received a follow on assignment as a co-pilot in a crew aircraft. This would have allowed him time to grow his skills under the watchful eyes of more seasoned aircraft commanders. But he really wanted to come back to UPT as an instructor pilot, and as the need for them exceeded the supply, he was given an assignment as a T-38 instructor. He took a lot of extra training during the instructor school and just barely completed it. He was sent back to his UPT base and his squadron commander was advised to keep a close watch on him.
New instructor pilots are typically given the strongest students to teach. And while most complete the additional training and evaluations to be designated as fully qualified within four to six months, he took more than a year. He finally achieved the status where he was not being as closely monitored in his flying activities. And one of the first things he did was volunteer as the pilot for a weekend cross country trip with a flight surgeon who was meeting his quarterly requirement for flying hours.
They left on Friday afternoon and returned Monday morning. His decisions regarding strong winds that morning raised some eyebrows among supervisors and he then elected to divert to another base about fifty miles away. After successfully landing there, his aircraft flamed out due to fuel starvation while taxiing to the parking area. That triggered a full investigation of his weekend activities. It was discovered that he had incorrectly logged his takeoff and landing times, landed with far less than the required minimum fuel multiple times and violated mandatory crew rest requirements. And most of the errors were attributed to incompetence rather than deliberate violations. His actions were so egregious that a Flying Evaluation Board was convened to consider if he should remain on flying status. In the end he was allowed to keep the wings on his uniform, but he was permanently grounded as a pilot.
I thought of this story because it shows how a person who lacks the fundamental skills and self discipline to be a safe pilot can slip through the system. Evaluators see a pilot when he/she knows they are being watched and they are at their best. What they don’t see is how that person handles themself when no one else is looking.
Great post. I gues the bias is to expect that most will improve with time but as pointed out here there are a specific set of traits, behaviours, values, & characteristics that are actually needed from the outset to become a good pilot. Very unlikely that time & experience will instill these characteristics & traits.
good story thanks for putting it here
With all due respect Sir, She did NOT slip thru...she was dragged across the finish line. Her CFI is at least 50% to blame. I would have NEVER passed my ppt or any other checkride without basic pilotage and dead reckoning skills. She was a mess, passed on by her CFI. She never looks out of the cockpit! Unreal.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the young man you’re telling us about was a DEI hire. I too am retired Air Force. The bulk of the problem-people who were constantly creating problems were DEI recruits. The techs and masters who bullshitted their way to the top, and were completely useless, were DEI promoted. They were also the ones who would use favoritism to openly bestow favors onto the females and minorities in their flight, while passing over the others who were putting in the most effort to accomplish the tasks necessary each month. The political morass within my squadron was something that I found appalling, so on several occasions I spoke up about it and was punished accordingly. Your comment was excellent! I found no fault whatsoever in your words, but you simply reminded me of why our current military isn’t functioning as well as intended.
Great vid, thanx.
Jenny is the classic case of just following what someone told her .. but not understanding WHY she needs to do it. I saw all of her videos before they were removed. Its clear she really didnt understand basic physics, especially around the concept of lift and what causes a stall. In one of her most recent videos, her instructor was doing 90% of the radio calls .. and this is AFTER she had completed 400 hours (she seemed to be doing IFR training). There was also evidence in her recent videos that she wasnt aware that she needed to apply power when AP was engaged if you were pitching up and attempting to gain altitude. She literally said 'Shes struggling to get up', clearly assuming AP was going to adjust the amount of power needed automatically.
So tragic that she will not get another chance
Just think, if she had spent as much time reading the user manual for the autopilot as she did editing just one of her videos she and her father may well be alive today…
She thought flying was like learning how to drive. She seemed to have a lot of success and that had an effect on how she viewed flying.
@@Toro_Da_Corsathere are already way too many bad drivers with that same attitude.
I was lucky in getting a true understanding of lift by accident. The 172 my father would fly before he bought his first plane had a million hours on it and just as you'd drop in a stall, you could hear an oil can noise from above your head. The oil can noise was the bubble of low pressure that was lifting on the top surface of the wing letting go. That visualization really helped me understand what was going on. Before that I thought the bottom of the wing would hold us up by air pushing up on it, but it was the top surface of the wing causing the upward force. Of course my father explained it all, I didn't just think of it. When the low pressure would let go, the skin would relax and clink, you could hear the oil can noise. I was 12 i think. Never heard that in the Piper Cub he'd take me up in (cloth). And it was funny because I was 15 before I flew in a commercial aircraft. We had to take a regional flight to the final destination airport and climbed aboard a ~20 passenger turbo prop. I was amazed when people were calling it a puddle jumper. That was no puddle jumper when you're used to a Cub and a 172!!
My instructor once told me mid-training for my PPL that as pilots we start with 2 bags, one filled with luck and the other empty of experience. The trick is to fill the experience one before the luck runs out
Damn that's deep
Lucky people live to learn from their own mistakes. Wise people learn from the mistakes of others. The goal is to be a wise person with lots of lucky friends.
The pilot who saved people when they landed on the Hudson said something similar and that his experience tokens he had put in for so many years saved him
That's... wow. I am honestly speechless. I mean this in the kindest and truly, the most empathetic way I can muster over the internet: This woman was not ready to be a Pilot in Command.
I just saw this and am still shocked. Many comments here, but yours sums up best and respectfully, what I'm thinking.
Know the machine first.
When i was 16, my dad got me some flying lessons. After about 4 hours, i decided, no matter how bad i had wanted to be a pilot growing up in oshkosh with eaa, my brain was not wired properly to do it. So sadly i gave it up. I still love planes, meet many great pilots at airventure every year. Sometimes you have to recognize when you shouldnt do something, you wont always have someone to tell you no
Same
@@knucklehead4233 and i dont mean to come off mean if it does. I dont want to discourage anyone from becoming a pilot. Those 4 hours of sitting in a small cockpit next to a pilot, with headset on, flying over lake winnebago, feeling the power of the plane in the yoke. Nothing like it ever. Something everyone should experience once, even if its through the young eagle program.
I plug them because i was part of the first class in 1992 in Oshkosh, and its something more people need to be involved in lol
I hear ya. I flew from a very young age with my father who was a great pilot and had his own plane and grass strip. I know he wanted his son to become a pilot and I took a few lessons that he paid for but alas I was too young. I never finished or went back. It's not for everyone. Even if someone could get through a course and solo...it's still not for everyone...(As we see with certain tragedies). I flew with him many times, went to fly-ins, got to fly in an open cockpit biplane('tiger moth' they called it) back from a fly-in with one of his buddies, Still love it! Just can't fly it lol.
That just means you are wise. There are lots of things people love because they can't work out a way in their mind to handle it... and there are lots of people that meet their won demise thinking they can "wing it" or "fake it till they make it". Sometimes you just have to cut bait and find a new love!
I wanted to be a pilot as a kid. My first flight (on a small cessna) convinced me otherwise, lol. The sensation of dropping whenever you hit turbulence (which we had a bunch of) I really don't like.
I have over 35 years experience flying in RAF UK military and commercial aircraft, just over 16,000hrs.I am also a QFI at a flight school in SW England.
To me this person is a classic example of what I would call " a no hope " type of pilot candidate.
She has no clue how to even carry out basic flight navigation, she doesn`t seem to know how the systems on her aircraft work, or what they can an can`t do. She ignores basic flight protocol, makes no calls to the tower or radar to inform them she is lost. She doesn`t seem to realise the runway she just took off from is still in view, she should be able to correct her error easily, but relys on autopilot to fix the situation.
It`s like watching someone drving whilst using a mobile phone, she is distracted fiddling with her I-pad. it seems to me her interest in flying is just to pose, and boast online, " look at me in my cute little plane, and my aviator sunglasses " .It seems having her own aircraft was a plaything,like a little dog, or whatever.
Sorry but I wouldn`t put her charge of a shopping trolley, much less an aircraft. I don`t understand how she managed to pass her PPL, like I said she can`t even carry out basic navigation, or use the radio to report her position and intentions, really basic stuff.
It`s tragic that she lost her life and also her father, I`m not heartless, she should not have been anywhere near flying an aircraft. It would be interesting to see her flightlog, and who her instructor/instructors were. The basic skills just aren`t there.
I have had a few pupils in the past I sensed would be trouble, and I was correct, so I had to advise them that attempting a PPL was beyond them. Sometimes people can slip through the net, maybe this is what happened here.
There was a fatal accident at a flying club in Northern Ireland recently, were a pilot who was known for pushing the limits crashed and killed himself and his passenger,showboating over the clubhouse. He took off, climed to just 50ft before banking hard over the airfield clubhouse, he lost control, and crashed inverted in a fireball.
The pilot had just 70 hrs flying time, but thought he knew better, in that time had been reported several times for dangerous flying.
Now I`m not suggesting Ms Blalock was a dangerous show-off,but she clearly didn`t have even basic flight skills, which makes her a danger to herself, and others.
Some people are better suited to being a passenger, rules and regulations are there for a reason, they have been established over years of aviation, yet sometimes people just don`t get it.
It she was that bad yet still was able to pass her PPL, it says maybe they need to take a look at what it required to pass the PPL. sounds like the requirements should be beefed up. If it is true she couldn't carry out basic navigation(I don't have the knowledge to know one way or the other), or use the radio to report her position and what not, just how the heck did she pass her PPL? Sounds to me that passing the PPL should require that you are able to carry out basic navigation and be able to report your position.
There are sadly WAY too many of these girls out there online...each and every one with " pilot" in their name, tag, or Instagram title...and in 99.7% of the time, they are far more focused on LOOKING like a Pilot instead of actually getting the skills to BE a Pilot. And, the ending is always tragic. But...we as seasoned Pilots and IPs are raked over the coals if we mention this. It's only going to get worse I'm afraid.
Paulmca, very well said. I think you “hit the nail on the head.” Scary how she was allowed to pilot a plane when she seemed clueless in so many areas.😮🇺🇸❤️
@@Bigsky1991 I only hope these are not the pilots the airlines are going to hire.
@@twest3686Google airlines d.e.i
I had the opportunity to see several of Jenny’s videos before they were removed. As a CFI, it was pretty evident she struggled with piloting basics, which she apparently recognized because she let one instructor go and found a new one. IMO, she was not ready to fly a complex aircraft like the Beech, she always seemed to be behind the airplane. Her struggles with the Auto Pilot became a major distraction and I believe it contributed to this tragic accident.
She was a complete dunce.
I've got ~15h vfr on gliders with the 50 km overland flight and the practical exam missing. My last flight was ~10 years ago. I would still claim that I'm currently still more able to fly a plane than what she showed, which is, given my questinable skills, pretty terrible. I still can't understand how someone can have such a bad understanding of the principles of controlling an aircraft, task priorisation and pre flight planning after 400 hours, even with a new plane. Did sge have any theoretical lessons or are those not mandatory in the usa?
And how can anyone give her her licence with that skill level?
@@clockworkvanhellsing372I don’t believe for a second she accumulated 400hrs? With her gross incompetence, she surely would’ve crashed long before this event.
She fire him cause she felt he was the problem not her. By watching just a few minutes of her videos is evident that she never recognized that she struggle with piloting basics.
@@Atite_Lometen Exactly. My thought. Someone on youtube shared the video where she is showing a snippet of that instructor and herself during their fly sessions. In her debrief she is completely putting the blame on the instructor and didn't take an ounce of responsibility on herself.
Hello from Germany.
I am a glider and ultralight instructor and we have decided in our club to ban filming of student pilots because we have found that this is exactly what is happening. The students are too busy with these systems and can no longer concentrate on what is important, namely flying the plane. I like your channel even though the stories are very sad. But we can all learn something from them.
Always happy landings. Andreas
Watching this and other videos on this tragedy I'm struck by how little situational awareness this woman had behind the controls of an aircraft. Some people are not suited to be pilots, it's not a criticism of them personally, it's just a fact.
I'm amazed that she didn't comprehend to fly East after takeoff, if she even glanced at a map?
She wasn't even suited to be an UBER driver with those lack of navigational and GPS skills.
@@ericbarker68 it looked like she had a map on her iPad, and a compass on the dash. She completely ignored the compass, and it appeared that she would figure out that she was going the wrong way, only when she would notice that the dot on her iPad had moved far enough in the wrong direction to be obvious. Her father chimed in a number of times, trying to say which way they were going, but he was only correct about half of the time. It was maddening that her RUclips audience could frequently see clearly, what she and her father had no apparent awareness of... the direction of the afternoon sun, and the runway they had just taken off from, which was just outside the window for about as long as the total flight should have taken.🤦♂
Almost like she had tunnel vision,.
Some people are not suited to be a pilot - like me. There's so much info, hold in your head & act on, I could never be a professional pilot. I had a go at flying & LOVED it, couldn't afford to get my PPL which I could have done. But this is so far beyond my credulity. I SUSPECT that she got this far cos she was a pretty girl, knowing some of the flight instructors that I knew.
I am a commercial airline pilot and I found this by accident. Your analysis is spot on and perfectly balanced between the tragedy of the situation and the responsibilities that come with being the pilot in command of any aircraft.
Thanks for flying us around safely.
That's why I would never fly with an amateur pilot.
We recently landed in a storm, with one aborted landing first, and I could have kissed the pilot to death!
Thank you for being professional!
I think this analysis lacks one important step. How did she obtain her license in the first place. The mistakes she makes are so grave and "ignorant" to put it simply, that I can't fathom how she could pass any practical test. She knew nothing about navigation or proper plane operation.
Imagine having this woman as a colleague and trying to get her to understand CRM. The cockpit would be chaos in a stressed situation.
I tried Microsoft sim and i cant maintain altitude while also doing other things. Do you always have to pull back the stick the entire trip or im just bad at using trims
@@darugdawg2453 Trims are a tricky thing to get right. Focus first on levelling off the speed so that your plane is no longer climbing (remember that more speed = more altitude) and settling on around the altitude you want, not what the plane wants. Then, use the elevator trim (the one that is usually just called "trim") to fine tune the altitude.
I'm a former Air Force Human Factors Mishap Investigator, and I find this frightening. I've seen pilots with a few 1000 hours that are also poor decision makers. Great Video. I just subscribed.
As a former army helicopter repair man, I find this frightening.
Same, I was an Air Force Maintenance Chief and Private Pilot. It's the lack of details as well. Did she file a flight plan? Did she have primary and alternate airports along the route to contact in case of trouble? Did she brief her passenger? Did she have a plan B? Just so many things seem wrong. And not familiarizing herself with her Garmin Autopilot?
Not the easiest to use, and best to find an avionics person to show you how it works. Also, Garmin publishes all of its user guides online. And making a video during a critical phase of flight?? Takeoff and landings are critical and need your undivided attention. This is sadly becoming a trend. Respect to her family for their loss.
why lie to strangers on the internet? is it an attention thing?
Who are you talking to?
Yea, this resonates with me. Several of my go getter friends got pilot liscences. From day one I made 2 rules. 1. Never fly with them. 2. Never get a liscences myself because I'm not fully invested into it, and it is a dangerous expensive hobby. There was a guy in work that threw a rod and had engine failure. Basically he did nothing wrong just wasn't in a new plane. He was able to land, and saw his family again. He had the piston on his desk (very very light weight design) and never flew himself again. I took the free lesson.
Really a sad story. I'm a retired ATP and CFIIME IGI. My CFI has a gold seal which some of you may know of. I can't imagine ever signing her off for a solo cross country, let alone her check ride. Buying that Beechcraft was a huge mistake (and whoever checked her out on it didn't do their job, either). It was way too much complexity for a low time pilot and led her to depend on the automation. Every one of my students knew "Aviate, Navigate, Communicate" and that rule applies to everything from a Cessna to a 747. It's grilled into student pilots and airline captains going for their 5th or their 10th type rating. When the automation isn't working the way you expect, the safest and easiest thing to do (for a competent pilot) is to turn it off and fly the damn plane! Had it happen many many times without incident.
"I died laughing at myself" is one of the most chilling things I've ever heard. It seems it's literally true in this case. Instead of laughing at herself she could have recognized her weaknesses and sought additional training and understanding. Instead, she laughed and, a few months later, died and took her father with her. Tragic.
She died laughing herself right into her grave. Such stupidity.
Humans are always their Jen worst enemy…
I'm sure a capable woman in her other on-ground endeavors... but she does carry a smidge attitude of a woman who has relied more on her looks and ability to charm others than she has using her brain. Unfortunately, the plane she was flying wasn't designed to recognize the former.
@@sgtelias2258 facts. Very sad. I guess dad was so mesmerized that he didn’t realize the danger either?
wo-MEN shouldn't fly planes. They're NOT as good as a MAN
"What No One Is Saying" is the immense effort Hoover shows to give his analysis while being utmost respectful, especially given the circumstances in this case. 👍
Thank you!
Hoover is twice the man of Dan Gryder. Dan is half wit.
@@AlbertHess-xy7ky And, have to say, that is uncalled for. Let's see how you handle LOTOTO or ROTOTO - are you going to turn back to the field?
Who cares what you have to say?
Delta Air Lines has suspended a pilot while officials investigate charges he tried to run over two Griffin police officers with his private plane.
Dan Wayne Gryder, 48, remains in the Spalding County jail, charged with two counts of aggravated assault and obstruction. He is being held without bond and is scheduled to be arraigned on Friday, the sheriff’s office said.
A Texas court concluded that online allegations made by Dan Gryder against a Texas pilot and airport owner were false and imposed a $1 million judgement against him August 16. Charles Cook sued Gryder in 2021 alleging a campaign of harassment and slander.@@uploadJ
@@AlbertHess-xy7ky
And, I have to say, that is uncalled for. Now, can you please answer my question? How would you handle loss of thrust on take off? Would you try a turn back to the field?
I saw on another channel she fired a CFI after one flight with him, blaming his instructional style for her poor performance rather than her lack of basic aviation knowledge. She replaced him with her non-pilot father. She was determined to do things her way. It was the deadly combination of arrogance and ignorance. At least she didn't kill anybody on the ground
She fired the instructor she'd had for months because she finally listened to all the comments telling her how far behind her plane and lacking in basic piloting skills she was, and that he kept flying for her during lessons, rather than teaching her. She'd only had one one flight with her *new* instructor, not the one she fired. Her dad was just a passenger.
The cfi should take over controls if a student flies the way she did. Even flying stable approaches led to arguments even though she was flying way far to the right.
Her obituary referred to her as a "girl boss". This is why the people closest to her wouldn't tell her the truth about
her ability to fly.
@@Ellie-rx3jther CFI left for the airlines, that’s why she got a new CFI.
Blancolirio did some videos on that. Her other cfi stunk. He was on his cellphone. Hitting all the buttons for here, teaching little to nothing. He was bad.
Blancolirio blamed some of her problems on crappy cfi's. Blancolirio says this is common in the industry, as cfi's are trying to get hours in the air to join an airline. Teaching is just a means to an end for them.
They dont care if you learn.
Her dad’s face said it all. He had no doubt what was about to happen. He seemed to be spending his last moments praying in his head. He was trying so desperately to keep it together but was so terrified, he couldn’t get any words out. Sad.
I thought the same thing. I also thought maybe he didn’t want to speak up because he didn’t want to startle her in an already dire situation. Most people don’t respond to stress well especially when it’s life or death so he was probably praying like you mentioned and hoping God would intervene.
The problem with your comments is this video 😮showing the father was not the fateful flight. It was a prior flight. What I don’t understand is why he never told he’s not going back up with her until she took additional training or had another pilot onboard.
@@bloomingale7868 No buddy. It was this video that they went down in. How could they crash in a previous video and then make this one?
@@Tubefish07 He meant that the flight shown here was before the fatal flight. The flight shown in this video was in January of 2023. The fatal flight was on December 7, 2023.
@@torydz Dad still looked concerned!
She was worried more about telling everybody she was a pilot more than actually becoming a pilot.
Sadly all too common and a complete lack of self awareness is very dangerous. Know your abilities and limits.
More money than sense it seems. This was a hobby for her and buying another aircraft says as much.
Well put
Have you ever met pilots? 😁I worked at an airline here in the Netherlands and I swear the average pilot spends more time in front of a mirror practicing how to tell everybody he's a pilot than they do in the air. Bus drivers we called them.
Oh look a bunch of non experts chiming in
I gave a woman like her a flight lesson once. She had no clue what was going on but all she did was laugh and giggle like it was the best time ever. She did not come back for a second lesson and I was quite happy. Most students take flying very seriously as they should. I don't think Tnflygirl had a clue as to what she was doing or just how dangerous it was. Signing her off in a high performance complex airplane with her little experience was a huge mistake. If she gets lost as soon as she gets off the ground she really isn't qualified to fly anything, much less a Beech Debonair.
I would think any person who wanted to become a pilot would love planes, would have an interest in knowing the basic principles of flying at least.
Hell, Me as a novice, who hates flying, is not mechanical inclined at all, i shouldn't know more about jennys plane than jenny, yet I'm certain i understand the trim swith on her plane more than her.
Daddy's girl probably never had to be responsible for her actions
I saw another youtuber do a full reaction to the video that was referenced here (where she gets lost right after taking off) and it was quite scary. Even when I am not a pilot myself I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Right after she took off she got distracted trying to use the autopilot. She flew in random directions for like 20 minutes while doing so. She wasn't looking around for other aircraft (even though she was right by the runway). She never used her radio. For a brief second she would realize she was going the wrong way, struggle to figure out what direction they should be going, and then once going the right way again get distracted again. It was like watching a distracted driver on the road. Completely oblivious to their surroundings. It didn't help that her non-pilot dad was sat next to her making the situation worse. He was telling her the wrong direction to go, moving the sun visor for himself and blinding her in the process, and at one point when she couldn't turn the autopilot on he was going to start messing with the circuit breaker to try and get it to work. Luckily he couldn't reach it and gave up. She also asked him to turn the heat on at one point and when he asked her how I don't think she even answered him and he just attempted to do it on his own. The fact that after she watched all of this back she just laughed at herself for "not knowing how to turn the autopilot on" is quite shocking. Even if she didn't recognize the issues in the moment watching that back should have been horrifying.
@@sparkplugpeggy4910 it's because we have serious cases of don't wanna-die-itis. Some of the people in these accidents are so casual in their attitude it's crazy. I take more precautions getting into my car every day than some of the people in these videos.
If The Truth Hurts
...it's supposed to.
But my heart breaks
for Her Family 😢
That was truly gut wrenching to watch someone fly who was clearly in over her head.
Condolences to her family.
Any reliance on god always scares me.
This. 100% . The young lady wasn't able to properly use the equipment and had a very low threshold of confidence in her own ability to fly the plane. That's why she kept turning on the autopilot, instead of simply looking all around the outside of the plane, getting her bearings and flying the plane. Her teachers should have been way more critical of her inability to properly see everything around the plane properly and actually fly the plane.. Damn sad to watch. Look, don't think I think I'm perfect either. If I was there, I would be just as lost. So I don't fly.
@@Mrbfgray Maybe you should rephrase that.
The fool says there is no God. Psalm 14:1
According to the video she had a degree in HR, though.
Deepest condolences to the family...
I am so sorry to hear of this accident..
Flying is supposed to befun...
But it can be dangerous..
I will make another comment on another comment section later..
My father used to say; "Understand your own limitations. Just because you have a Fishing License doesn't mean you know how to fish."
Saw her videos. She was clueless. She was not ready to fly, and she didn't comprehend how her airplane worked.
Auto Pilot- Please point me in the right direction.. No that was left direction
Yup, it's not like driving a car.
Blonde's don't fly and chew gum very well. If I was dad, I'd have said NO THANKS... hon...
Yes, agreed 100%. She had no aptitude for flying & was well over her head.. but no one told her 😢
Still, like any good insurance assessor, you should assume she faked her own death until proven otherwise.
She cared more about SAYING she was a pilot, then she did of actually BEING a pilot.
NAILED IT! It was part of her "boss babe" attitude and persona.
@@markymarknj life has always been an easy ride for her (she didn’t see it that way of course) until it suddenly did get difficult and then it was too late.
Feminism got the best of her. I see too many women like this living through a lens. Fly the dang plane!
exactly what i was thinking. @@markymarknj
That desire to be a RUclips & Instagram pilot... for internet clout...
Thank you for this video. I want to share my personal story. Soon after passing my medical school exams and beginning work as a doctor, I realised something was really, really wrong. I had been a great student all my life. I'm conscientious and diligent. I poured myself into my work and cared a great deal for my patients. But I noticed I kept making errors or near-errors in my work. None of them led to actual harm but I came pretty close. After a few months of this, I decided to take a break from clinical work to reset, thinking it was just exhaustion. I returned a few months later, but nothing improved.
So I made the INCREDIBLY difficult decision to give up my clinical practice and medical license (pretty much permanently). I instead shifted to work in supporting roles behind the scenes. (I eventually received a diagnosis which explained why I was messing up, which I will not disclose here.) Even though my mistakes had the potential to screw things up horribly for my vulnerable patients who were depending on me, I actually received a lot of pushback from family, friends and colleagues for my decision to leave. I was called lazy, risk-averse, conservative. I was told to "just try harder" or "you'll get better at it" etc. I was even called selfish for "throwing my opportunity away". I know there are many times we should not give up in life, but I am surprised that people were so harsh even if my decision was made to avoid harming my patients, and therefore myself.
Looking back, I do still feel the pang of regret and loss of the dream & career I toiled so many years for. But I also know it was 100% the right decision, and I am enjoying building my career in a new direction. I firmly believe we should listen to our gut when it tells us to take a step back from a potentially unsafe situation. Be humble. And be safe always. Thanks for reading!
As a colleague, I thank you for realizing your limitations and choosing another direction. I takes a great deal of courage. One avenue you may consider is a career in medical ethics
@cindysavage265 thank you so much, Cindy. My work is now in quality and safety which suits me very well. I never considered medical ethics! That's such a great idea, as I have always been interested in it. Let me explore it further, maybe it's something I could still get involved in in some way.
If I learned anything in life, is that:
1) people, especially family and close ones often will try to make you pick a decision that will affect the course of your OWN life big time
2) one should never listen to other's opinion in such cases.
Talking about your family etc.
I'm happy for you not being weak and deciding for yourself how to live your life, only you know how to live it the best possible way. And also you did a right thing for potential patients, good for you!
@@Pootie_TangThank you for your encouragement! Yes, making our own decisions makes the consequences bearable, even purposeful.
@@jayashrishobna well said!
“Hair, check, makeup, check, camera angle, check, stylish glasses, check, now I can’t be bothered with this silly autopilot”
The fact that she was so out of her depth that using the position of the sun setting in the sky as a clear indication of her ineptitude is just crazy. Her casual ‘oh haha look how silly I am!!’ following this is just so frustrating to me. Never mind the ability to use any of the instrumentation to be able to fly, you should at the very least be able to use landmarks and commonalities to be able to navigate.
EXACTLY, you are right!
The fact that all her videos were immediately removed by her family is very telling.
Yep, didn’t want insurance seeing them and deny payout
They probably didn't want to see all of the well deserved and negative comments people were putting on them, reminding them of her death.
@bluedeval03 the videos are still out there, definitely not the reason
I don't think it was her family, I think it was the FAA or NTSB!
Most likely because of sick minded Social Media haters.
Your military background shines through - your commitment to safety is without question. I love the none-judgemental way you have dealt with this subject whilst teaching the community how to "debrief" their own flight. Excellent work as normal!
Military and Safety, LOL. Two times the military cares about safety is when they already fucked up and can blame you. When you request to engage after being shot at, but need Pentagon approval while your ass is being shot at.
Thank you very much!
Your very welcome!!@@pilot-debrief
@@pilot-debrief I have said the same thing Hoover- yours is one of my favourite channels, in relation to Jenny’s accident. I wonder if she just didn’t know what she didn’t know - you probably have heard of the four stages of competence in your military career, ranging from unconscious incompetence, i.e. you don’t know what you don’t know through to unconscious competence you know longer have to manually think about stuff and you’re good at it, I feel looking at her. She was at the first stage and probably not actually consciously, knowing that she was dangerous and actually lacking the stick and rudder fundamentals
I think she knew she was a bad pilot. She didn't get the new plane as an upgrade, she got it as a crutch. She bought it so the autopilot could do the flying for her. She was so invested in using it because she thought it was the fix for her issues. But it looks to have became a distraction that made her worse.
Exactly my thoughts as I watched this. She bought the plane for the autopilot, thinking it would fix her issues.
People are raking her because she put her skills on RUclips for everyone to critique, but this is the story of so many Bonanza pilots, aka the “doctor killer”
Her main issue was she didn’t know where she was on the planet in relation to the sun which should come naturally to anyone traveling.
@@jackmcandle6955 That or she was mostly concerned which way the camera was pointing so she could posture for it.
@@jackmcandle6955 - a critique of her flying shows she was also frequently unaware of her air speed and her altitude and did not fully understand trim.
You can see the uncertainty and fear grow on her father's face as time goes on. So sad! rip to both and condolences to their family and friends..
"Let's see where this thing takes us"... Dangerous words that you don't want to hear as a passenger
The second worse sentence right after, "Hold my beer."
I bet she was no more competent in a car too. Not just that she said that, but her entire attitude about it. This is bizarre. Who signed off on her getting a license?
She spent more time on her image than she did her flying skills. It all ended as we could only imagine.
Very interesting observation! Ego aka vanity, seems to be like such a common down fall. Those that knew her especially her father, should love her enough to help her change.
She wanted clicks, views, and fame.
Ultimate and unfortunate blonde moment.
What a terrifically honest but compassionate appraisal of the issues Jenny faced. Nice and respectful without resorting to being unkind. Nice work.
If someone had been "unkind" to her she might still be alive.
@@JXS63J good thing you never make mistakes, phew
@@noiiiiiize You're confusing a mistake with willful negligence.
She ended her fathers life after all
@@noiiiiiize There is a monumental difference between "making a mistake" and accidentally breaking a dish, and "making a mistake" that kills lots of people.
Just like certain airlines are finding out the hard way: you can't make "diversity hires" in career fields that are responsible for hundreds of lives and allow them to "fake it until they make it".
This SHOULD BE "common sense". But now the "feelings-police" are in charge of making life and death decisions at corporate and governmental levels.
With this kind of idiocy happening, we should be questioning every flight we take, and asking "is my pilot a diversity hire"?
Female here. I was dating a guy who was a diver did a lot of cave dives very experienced. I decided to get certified. On one of my dives I was supposed to do a slow ascension well I didn’t and my instructor kept grabbing my fins to pull me down as I was going up to fast. The deep dive I felt so much pressure I sucked almost all my oxygen and felt panicky. Needless to say I was smart enough to never dive again as I knew it was just not for me. I love snorkeling and happy to keep it at that. Know your limitations be it female or male.
Retired Navy pilot/flight instructor here. Agree with your observations and analysis. Honest debriefs are an essential tool for all pilots regardless of experience level. I tried to foster a fun yet professional cockpit environment, especially during instructional hops. However, after being part of a recovery crew and picking up body parts and aircraft pieces from a mishap attributed to a cocky young student pilot, I had no tolerance for students that didn’t take flying seriously. It appears there were many links in the mishap chain, any one of which if corrected could have prevented this tragedy.
I honestly think that, if she were a guy, her instructor and peers would have been much more honest with her many shortcomings that made her an incompetent pilot. It's very sad that no one around her told her "no." Including her father.
This is why DEI hiring in airlines scare me 😅
I bet that's the case.
Wouldn't want to be a mansplainer!
"No" is a word that a lot of women, especially attractive women never hear or seldom hear.
You mean simps
When I was learning to drive in the mid 70s, my dad would not let me have the radio on - it was a distraction.
After I got my license, I could only have one passenger for awhile.
Later in life when I had children, my father in law said always pull over if you discipline the children. He had attended a
Crash where a mom was reaching behind her with one hand to the back seat.
Good advice from two of my favorite men in the world. Miss them both 🤍
That poor Dad was sitting there knowing this was the day he would die.
I had the radio off while I was learning to drive as well. Good advice is gold, take it.
You have to remove all distractions when you need to focus. Simples.
I know these types of fathers from the past. We just don’t have them anymore. Love given through discipline, and out of respect towards others. There are still some walking around the senior home garden. We all love them.
Studies show radio or music does not affect nor cause bad driving.
Incredible. I was this disoriented once… during training, on my first cross country solo. It’s hard to comprehend someone being so lost after 100 hrs.
It doesn't take much.
I am a pilot who flew 777 for Emirates, I also flew several other jets like the 767, 727…. and I have never seen such profesional videos like the videos on this channel. Your comments, thoughts are really valuable and we all learn a lot by watching. Awesome! keep it up and thanks for sharing.
Dudes an ex military pilot, and definitely knows his stuff inside and out. CW Lemoine and Ward Carroll are also very knowledgeable pilots on YT.
@@crazyralph6386 Not mentioning "blancolirio" is doing Juan a disservice.
Great videos and helpful too ; we have several; of these great guys !!!! When they are not working, they take on to broadcasting.....and it becomes serious business, like " Blancolirio " Juan Brown who is, I think , either a FO or Captain on a 777. He even keeps broadcasting from his hotel room, when in Australia. That is dedication !!!!!
@@ronjones-6977 I meant in the context of ex military, not civilian. I know Juan quite well, and is my go-to channel. No disrespect given.
@@crazyralph6386 No problem. I think he is ex-military, too, if I remember correctly. I can relate to him better than the fast movers. They are a breed apart.
I'm a retired ARTCC controller and commercial instrument pilot in the past. She was so distracted with her social media that she obviously got the aircraft in a stall and that's why the 85kts and the 1,200 foot descent. She was way over her head and that video of her dad showed he was not very happy with the flight. Bonanza's killed a lot of doctors for the same reasons. It's a fast aircraft and not very forgiving.
What did the NTSB say what happened?
I couldn’t tell if the dad was scared, nervous, not happy or all of the above. I just can’t believe the dad went out on another flight with her after experiencing the previous one. She definitely seemed lost. So sad for them and the family.
I haven't seen the NTSB report but just looking at the facts the encoding transponder put out it is obvious to me what happened. The NTSB is very political and all their conclusions have to satisfy the manufacturer, the gender, race etc. The so-called autopilots is really a wing leveler. A true auto pilot will take the aircraft to a fix that has to be programmed into it. Looks to me like she wasn't paying attention and it got away from her and went into a stall.
V-tail.. Doctor killer..
@@kubanpanzerOr as some V-tail owners say:
Doctors ... V-tail killers!
A QFI colleague told me about this woman and sent me a link to her videos of her flying adventures. It speaks volumes that they have been taken down, I watched some of them,obviously before they were removed, I was horrified and dismayed at what I saw. I know at the flying school I teach at, at least two CFI`s used her video`s as examples of how NOT to do things.
From what I have read, she had just over 400hrs logged,frankly I am surprised she lasted that long.
Let me make it absolutely clear, you can get male and female`s that are bad pilots, drivers,sailor`s, motorcyclist`s or whatever. Some people just don`t seem to " get it ", neither the skills involved, or going by the rules, or at least close to the rules. I doubt there is anyone out there that hasn`t done something a bit stupid , in control of what ever vehicle,hopefully most of us will learn from it, and don`t do it again.
However some people think they are indistructible, and won`t learn, don`t care,or think they know better--they are the really dangerous ones.
Frankly I am stunned this woman had a license,and I wonder about the 400hrs she claimed, was this 400hrs after getting her license, or 400hrs with an instructor ? Two very different things.
If it was 400hrs with an instructor that would explain how she did not have an accident until this. If it was 400 hrs solo, then that`s staggering.She was an accident waiting to happen.
Doubtless the FAA and NTSB will look at the record of her instructor/s. You could be forgiven for thinking she paid someone to pass her.That could actually be part of it, nothing surprises me any more.
Her lack of the bare bones,basics if you will, is shocking, she has no concept of her airspeed, heading, altitude, trim of the aircraft, or how to operate the auto-pilot, not to mention looking outside at anytime. The best way to describe this woman`s flying is, she was born to be a passenger.
Very well put.
💯
Her poor dad looked pretty perturbed. Probably didn’t say anything b/c of her videoing it.
Sad. He def should have.
You can always make another video.
in our IFR course we had one guy (which was an lawyer ) where the CFI refused to train him because after 20 hours he still didnt get it and they sayed he for sure will kill him and all occupants ...
@@sonneversets3530 What men can't see, is clear to me as a woman. She's in panic, and hiding it.
I'm sorry, I don't see a "poor dad." I see a nervous girl trying to hide her nerves from her overbearing father. Choking up / freezing not only due to plane terror, but terror of her father's reaction.
She's more afraid of HIM than the situation.
Look at him. He could reassure. Help. Coach. Give her a break. Does he? He's radiating the vibes of IRRITATION at his daughter's distress. He's making it worse. I am NOT impressed with his behavior here, nor him.
She's too scared to ask him for help. I know the type. A father who likely pushed her to always bring prestige to the family. The kind of man who's ready to explode in rage - if she DARE embarrasses him. She is too meek to admit the truth - she is in trouble and needs aid.
That would take courage! But - she believes him if he barks at her and says 'you're just not trying or focusing!"
She's naive - and thinks if she just tries harder, it'll happen. She can impress him. She's not a failure. Fake it - until you make it.
The dynamic of rich-people culture is not being discussed here. It's different. Very different.
Many wealthy families will not admit or TOLERATE an embarrassment to the family. Live in complete denial they have anything less than perfect or exemplary offspring.
Look up the Kennedy's. The special-needs daughter Joe Kennedy screamed at / shunned / hid and eventually lobotomized for disappointing him. He never accepted she even WAS special needs.
These types: They use their children as another tool in the box - to bring prestige to themselves.
"My daughter is a natural, just didn't need all the training others need." DID YOU DAUGHTER!?
That's what I see. Body language screams louder than words.
Even if I'm wrong - the facts.
He helped get her killed. He was the one person who could have helped her. He didn't.
This is more likely a tragedy of toxic family dynamics, not particularly aviation.
Edit: Also, wealthy "entitled" people might bribe/pay/intimidate an instructor. Threaten to ruin careers, get somebody audited. Take the cash from me, or it will be somebody else who benefits. She WILL be passed, by SOMEONE. It's how the ridiculously stupid graduate Ivy League. By writing checks. Think upon this - and many puzzling things about this case - are suddenly not mysterious.
@@KathrynsWorldWildfireTrackingit’s not that we cannot see it, but because of constant Marxist propaganda no man dares to say what is clear to the unconscious mind.
Women are biologically not equipped to handle dangerous activities where lives are potentially at risk, where rational thinking, spatial ability and the ability to keep calm and think clearly under extreme pressure is the most important aspect beyond anything you could ever learn.
Can women fly planes? Yes, but children could also drive cars. Does that make sense though? No it doesn’t. Is it ‚agist‘ or any other Marxist propagandist word you could invent? No that is just logical.
@@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking What some women apparently can't see is that many humans, including males, actually can see that she's internally in a panic and just trying to sound upbeat. You're one of them. You're that type. You're wrong. No biggie.🍹
"He helped get her killed." - She did not 'get killed', she caused her death and that of her father, as sure as if they were seated in a car. She was not passive in her death, she was not the victim of someone else's piloting and there's no evidence the father interfered with her control.
She, yes a woman, is directly responsiblefor their deaths.
To make a case that the father shared responsibility for failing to talk to her is asinine 🤡
Did it ever occur to your imagination that as a passenger of an inept pilot for all the minutes we've safely watched remotely, that he may have been shitting himself with nerves and trying not to say something that may reveal his nervousness, and make her completely lose it?
That your interpretation of events has such a twised perception of the father's role in this tragedy shames whatever instituion claims to have educated you. He was her passenger under her duty of care and alleged expertise.
Sort out your daddy isssues.🤨
Poor dad looks so calm- he trusted her!
Another perfect example on how social media can be detrimental to your life, specially when you pay more attention to it than you should. RIP
ESPecially.
So true! Actually, many people have died trying to make a selfie or taking other serious risks. Bye-bye "Influencer" career.
Yep turn off ya phone
100% studies are showing it is especially detrimental to young girls and women.
natural selection
Two things, she had spatial disorientation and lacked spatial awareness on a clear sunny day leaving an airfield she commonly used while failing to look out of her window to observe the landmarks around her that would have been a huge help to her in favor of IFR. Very bad idea to swap planes with so little flight hours under her belt.
@@elrey8876 You may be right. It's like a new Hitler for the gullible & easily mis-led. The young are easily railroaded into believing & acting on misinformation. They could never hope to know the difference or act appropriately 😐
Interesting observation, it reminded me of those people who have crashed their cars because they were following the GPS navigation into a blocked road and not really looking out the window.
Is spatial awareness a female thing or faux science
@@elrey8876
She was born in 1979. She didn’t grow up with social media.
She was just an attention wh ore.
This has been documented? I had no idea. You should always be aware of what is in front of you!
I don’t have a pilot’s license but have flown hang gliders since the 1970’s. The most important thing for me was safety in all details. I guess that’s why I am still here. Aviation is unforgiving, you simply can’t forget this.
You didn’t take “take safety in all details”. Why do I say this? The Air Force wouldn’t let you do rodeo, ultralights, hang gliders, etc without commander approval but you could fly gliders. Why, because most gliders are certified and certified airplanes have 1/100 the accident rate of ultralights or hang gliders.
@@hugoglenn9741
I think you missed my point. I always put safety first. I learned everything I could, I studied accidents, I followed best practices. I went to work for a HG factory in Sylmar, CA to learn first hand. Hang gliding is indeed a dangerous sport, but in my experience , can be very safe and fun if you follow the rules and use basic common sense.
@@hugoglenn9741 there are no accurate statistics for Hang gliders, we log or don't log our flights, and don't share them with any organizations. I have flown thousands of flights for over 30 years, and only know pilots that died because of their decisions, not the aircraft at fault.
I still remember when my instructors got dummer and dummer as I got closer to soloing. They'd say, let's return to the airport now. I'd say, "Can you see it?" They'd say, "I don't know." I'd have to use my own skills to find it. By the time I soloed I didn't have to ask any questions and they'd only interject if I had lined up on a parking lot instead of the runway. This is what Jenny didn't have. In the videos I saw, the instructor was doing everything for her.
I remember watching one of her videos, she was driving at the time. It might have been one or two, she ran thru a handful of stop signs without a care in the world. She didn't understand safety and control on the ground and she really didn't understand it in the air
Seems like Flight Simulator would help with her basic navigation issues. Like following a heading instead of "let's go this way".
@@SOLDOZER I hope you are not driving anywhere near me. Stop signs are not just a suggestion. I don't run them and don't expect 90% of drivers to run them either. Keep in mind, she was on video running stop signs. I would think someone would be extra careful not to post a video of it.
@@SOLDOZERI never run a stop sign, if you do please don’t drive
@@SOLDOZERI don't run stop signs. Especially if I'm not paying attention while driving.
@@SOLDOZER Roll through isn't the same as blow.
It boggles my mind that she somehow passed her Private pilot check-ride when she obviously had no idea where she was or what she was doing. If she'd kept flying her Cherokee and concentrated on airmanship and navigation she might still be with us. This is sad, and her instructors probably could have prevented it.
> If she'd kept flying her Cherokee and concentrated on airmanship and navigation she might still be with us.
I doubt it. She was definitely in over her head, but I think she was in over her head no matter what she was flying. She had NO IDEA which was she was pointed. Being in a Cherokee would not change that fact.
She had no business driving a car, let alone flying aircraft.
From what I saw, her intstructor did things for her instead of teaching her how to do them. It is fortunate that she did not crash into a school or any other building. I have worked with instructors, engineering, not flying, who liked to demonstrate to a trainee by doing the procedure themselves. Trainee was happy because they didn't have to do anything and could easily pass the assessment. Some instructors may know how to do, but just don't know how to teach.
@@y00t00b3r some people just have no sense of direction, and yes, have no business at the controls as we are meant to be honest about our personal limitations.. E.g Im terrible at higher math and no amount of studying would make it that much better, as I swap numbers in my head.
Like... I haven't even flown a kite since the 70s lol, I'm the least mechanical minded person you could ever meet. I struggle getting the back off of the TV remote to change the batteries I couldn't even follow the simple directions on how to hang a command hook.... and even i know enough to kno she was a danger to herself and public any time she was in the pilot seat
Ive seen far too many people that just go through the motions without the slightest bit of understanding as to what they are doing, and their roll in an event unfolding. Like, the most brain dead reduced simplified version of if this than that kind of stuff. You know those people that lock up and just freeze letting their car roll into something at 5 miles an hour? Or the young people that 'forgot which one was the break' and bury their SUV into the dining area of a Subway? Or the people that muzzle others like its no big deal because they dont mean to shoot anyone so its fine stop yelling? Yeah....those kind of people. Just going through the motions of life, not once giving a single passing thought to the cold reality of the universe around them.
Hell, there was another pilot of a commercial jet coming into a remote socked in airport that kept having to go around because they couldn't see the runway.....and they kept calling minimums right at 200'..... Like, its not a freaking call you make when the altimeter ticks over to 200!!! Its a go/no-go call for a safe landing!!!
The fact people like that exist, are allowed to drive cars, much less get pilots licenses and commercial jet endorsements....it just outright curdles my blood. Because its not hard to take something seriously enough to learn all you can about it. It really freaking isnt. I am a firm believer that anyone can learn anything, all that is required is for it to be communicated in a way they can digest. Thats it. That jet pilot, this pilot, that asshat that blows stop signs, the 20 something that didnt mean to run over someone just eating their Subway lunch and doesnt understand why they're going to jail....as good as it feels to dress up our "OH OF COURSE THEY DID!" prejudices with token 'im not [thing]-ist but...' rhetoric....the absolute truth of the matter is ...... wait for it, cuz yall are gonna hate it ........
WE ALL FAILED THEM!!!! EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US!!! It IS NOT entirely on them. Its on ALL OF US that see this vapid doe eyed skipping though the world on whatever luck the universe gave them to skip by on and do nothing to correct it. To engage. To test their cognesence. Place them in low hanging fruit scenarios so all they have to do is go through the motions, never learning to develop that knee jerk panic reaction of hitting Z when X while Y happens. And as long as we dont shame them into becoming more experienced in the world around them, and allow them to only know the bare minimum required to feign a functional human being then IT IS US WHO HAVE SOME OF THAT WEIGHT TO BEAR. Period. Yes, force them to learn something. Make your kid change to the spare in the drive way, or randomly in a parking lot. It really is as simple as "you dont get the keys until you change the tire. Ill walk you through it, but now is your opportunity to gain some life experience. Dont like it? Fine, you dont drive my car. Easy peasy." Or "put on some work cloths, you're learning to change the breaks/oil today" Or what ever. The point is they either learn to embrace the chance to learn something about the world around them that will make them an intelligent functional member of the modern species, or.....screw em they dont get no perks. "But thats mean" I hear some smooth brain think far too loudly. No, you're mean, and reckless, letting someone on the road that doesnt know how a car works or has ingrained it in their very physical form which one is the stoppy foot thingy. YOU GET TO CARRY THAT WEIGHT WITH YOU! I dont care if they spell it break, brake, or stoppy thingy over on this side, I really, REALLY dont. I care they they have the primed instinctual reaction to hit it when the situation calls for it and that they never confuse it for the go lever! If someone, anyone, LITERALLY ANYONE, had done things like that to her before in her life, maybe she would have had that little nagging shame in the back of her mind to sit down with the manual for her GPS and figure out how it worked top to bottom. But no. She was allowed to skirt along....Just like so many other people.
Also, for the record, those last two sentences were the only ones in this whole rant that mentioned a gender. Any gender you implied internally while reading any of this is entirely on you. Hopefully that has given yall readers pause, and inspired yall to take a deeper look at your assumptions about the world. Fix your prejudices. Its not a penis problem. Its not a vagina problem. It is a human problem. Stop placating vapid stupidity and malicious ignorance. Its actively harming people every time we do. And when doing so does harm another person, we all get to own a bit of that blame for not reaching out to a fellow human, making a connection, communicating, listening, understanding, making the effort, to build the awareness we all need to posses for that better safer world they keep promising us is just around the corner. Well, unless we start doing something about these kinds of behaviors, it will never be there when we round that bend.
If common sense we common, everyone would have it. Share some of yours with the less fortunate. No judgements. Just being human. Thats all it takes.... We can do it if we try. I still believe in us.
I recently completed a motorcycle training course, and one of the most important things my instructors said to me was in the debrief after I'd passed the final test: "You've passed the parking lot test. I just need you to know that that doesn't mean you're ready to ride on the road." I was NOT, and I knew it, but it was almost a relief to hear them say it. And I spent weeks practicing every day in safe situations before I put myself or others in danger by trying a (quiet!) public road for the first time.
It's really sad that she didn't have that kind of loving reality check from any of her instructors at any point.
Good for you! Now, a little word from me with over 30 years experience..... You'll be learing for the rest of your life. Never think you know it all, and nothing will happen to you. Ride safe!
Also, there are two rules to keep in mind, Rule 1, Drive like everyone is out to kill you. Rule 2, Everyone is out to kill you. An old rider taught me these rules 40 years ago, and they still hold true today.
But a good day on the bike is still one of the best experiences you can have. Stay safe.
Even more advice from someone who has ridden many years…(motorcyclist love to give advice). BE SEEN…not fashionable or looking cool. Fluorescent Yellow / Green / Yellow green …and a lot of it. Ignore crazy studies that claim it doesn’t make a difference. It makes a huge difference. I have witnessed the difference and my friends have also. It is great to be aware and maneuver around dangerous situations when other drivers don’t see you and surprise you. But it is much much much better to just be seen. Do whatever you can possibly do to be seen!
Also, you WILL drop the bike. Probability is a bitch.
@@NormAppleton Lol 100%
I am an unadventurous microlight pilot, I have flown for years but have stayed in my comfort zone, fun flying, nothing too complex, I use a traditional map and always know where I am, in familiar territory and never in weather conditions that are too challenging.
My Dad has flown for over 50 years and my brother flies a fighter. When I was younger I considered pursuing a license. However, I know my limitations. I don't have the attention to detail that they do. So I decided to keep my feet on the ground. But I salute those that do it and love it.
By the way, this was a nicely done video and very respectful while providing the necessary blunt honesty.
My soul aches for those two in their last moments.
No one could have said it better. You were beyond respectful and are just a great person. Glad you were protecting our skies.
I’m a semi truck driver and this is very interesting SAFETY is number one rule always, I have been driving over a million miles (25 plus years) and drive 1000 miles weekly without an accident. I still watch training videos regularly..thanks
You are a great driver. I wish everyone took safety seriously, as you do.
40 yr pilot and 30 yr controller here. Jenny was not, nor ever would have been a pilot. She had resources, looks and guile. Sadly, those three things, along with possibly the worst flight instructors in the history of aviation got her and her father killed. She was quite literally clueless about anything aviation-related unless she could press “pause” and search for the answer on her iPhone. Her tragedy represents the absolute worst that our current society accepts as reality, but reality it is and we all can learn some valuable lessons here if we just look at the facts.
Beautiful job, Hoover. You skillfully combine the salient details while keeping the humanity out of the debrief. It’s obvious you’ve done this a few times and we pilots should all be willing to take a humility pill now and again in spite of our protesting egos. Bravo.
she could have got a job at alaska airlines.
So in a nutshell... a female pilot
@@Diogenes_von_Sinopeor hooters
Careful here people. Her outcome is more society-based anthropomorphic than gender-biased. For every Jenny, there are twenty men who think they can outwhit mother nature to their early demise. She, sadly, chose to provide graphic video evidence of her incompetence. Tragic was that.
@@bwalker4194 well perhaps the guy who led the Titan mission was just as ditzy. But he had a PhD.... I don't think she had one of those.
I've watched a few RUclipsrs talk about this accident since it happened, and since you're my favorite fellow former safety air winger (different family, Marines here), I was WONDERING when you were going to debrief this one. It was certainly a tough one to watch. The basics were not even followed. Aviate? Out the window. Navigate? Hoping the auto-pilot magically takes you there? Communicate? Not there. This was the scariest case of total lack of situational awareness on SO many levels. I don't even know if I would call this an "accident". Operational...Risk....Management. JEESUS.
I used to be a flight instructor and on two occasions I had to tell my students that I was really sorry, but flying was just not for them. I’m not saying that is the case for this lady, but I know it was the right decision for my two students that I had. If they would have ever been able to pass the check ride, I was 100% certain they would have killed them selves in a crash and I just did not want that on me.
We need more instructors like you. Unfortunately many of them are just looking to make money and build hrs on their way to ATP, so they don't speak up when they should.
I'm not a pilot, more of a flight enthusiast. I find these videos very insightful. What I do know and what I would remind every pilot is that "gravity" is unforgiving. Be coachable in your pilot journey. Flight simulators exist for a reason, to help you prepare for situations that you least expected.. Just watching this video, if I were the father, given the proximity disorientation that is being exhibited, I would have calmly said..."You know what, contact air traffic control and request approach/clearance for a return landing". Then you have a heart to heart with your daughter. May they both rest in peace.
Im an old, old school pilot who learned to fly at Randolph AFB. I had a hard ass old-school instructor who taught me how to "fly" before I learned anything else. Needle ball and air speed are all you really need. All the rest is convenience. Even some airline pilots have forgotten that lesson or never learned to first "fly the airplane", e.g. airiner lost over the Atlantic because pilots were flying the buttons instead of the airplane. RIP tennessee fly girl
Air France Flight 447 was especially tragic because the crew had MINUTES to fix the stall condition on the airplane. Unfortunately the way that airbus designed the control stick wasn’t conducive to proper crew resource management since the sticks operated independently of each other. One pilot was pulling the stick back because the pitot tubes were frozen and he was unknowingly receiving incorrect instrument readings while the other was trying to correct the stall condition and had correct instrument readings. By the time the second pilot realized what was going on it was too late.
@@AmericanAdvancement The poor pilot in the jump seat. _Knew all along._ He was giving them sound advice. That's what yanks at my heart the most. The competent person in the cockpit - was never given control.
Aviate, Navigate, Communicate - the order of priorities in the cockpit. Fly the plane first is what I was taught. I guess the old school lessons are being lost. Another old saying we used to have: There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but never old bold pilots.
Needle and ball and airspeed won’t cut it. Your pitch could be out of control causing impending stall and crash
As a retired airline line Captain and a Standards Captain, i did my share of flight simulator instruction. In out training scenarios, we would get the trainee down to Standy-by Power in a 727 or the equivalent in the 757 and 767 and fly approaches. Using the standby instruments really was a confidence builder for the trainee and although not an FAA checking maneuver, had a valuable place in training.
The other point, as you mentioned, someone ALWAYS flies the aircraft while the other crewmember(s) work whatever emergency that they have been given.
Autoflight is a wonderful tool but we need to constantly polish our skill set with the basics.
As a flight instructor, I’m going to show this to my students who film their flights. Thank you
Tell them Mrs. Flight Instructor!! Tell them! Get on to them!!
A skydiver explained the difference between' rules' and Laws.
He said, Rules are written by men and if you understand the rule and the reason behind it thoroughly, understand your skills, and equipments thoroughly and thoroughly understand the situation you are in, you can, maybe with a little luck, break the rule(s) and be fine. For example, "Thou shalt not exit through clouds" is an FAA rule, but if you can explain to any investigator, why it made sense to do it, you'll be ok".
"Laws are written by GOD, and there are no appeals. Gravity is the Law - if you exit this aircraft without a parachute, you will accelerate at approximately 32 feet per second UNTIL YOU REACH terminal velocity for your aerodynamic configuration"
#fafo2029
Aviation is UNforgiving!!
You set the cameras up and if they screw up o'well. You can do it again. If you crash screwing with cameras someone else will be monetizing the story of how you died.
Flight students who film their flights for social media reasons need to be banned from flying. Lord help us; idiots are taking to the air.
Better yet, make the students who film their own flights pay careful attention to their videos. If Jenny paid attention to the EVP voices recorded in the video equipment, she could have saved her own life. It was obvious that someone or something was in the cockpit giving her directions. Even a guardian angel can't save you if you don't listen to what they have to say.
What is the craziest part is the recorded voice at 9:56 which said "You're going to crash the plane!" Its a very faint voice that sounds like static, but you can make out what it said clearly. Right when she said that she turned it off accidentally and she turned it on, the voice at 10:01 said "Don't do that!" That voice was trying to save her life. I'm sure most people would not have even noticed it.
I would refuse to teach anyone who films themselves flying.
I'm glad my instructor hammered into me to fly the airplane visually first and foremost and use the gizmos as a secondary tool. Thanks to that I've had a situation with total electrical failure of the aircraft, no garmin, no radio, nothing, and still managed to fly back to the airport maintaining altitude and heading using nothing but a compass and a paper chart. Seems like a pain to learn the analog way first but Jenny's accident is an example of why it's still important.
Serious sailors do the same.
Agree! On my first lesson my CFI was pointing out all the radios and instrument. When he got to the AP he said "this is the auto pilot and you don't get to use it! Any questions"? Didn't start using it till a fair bit after my check ride. He also added another step to the emergency off field landing check list "hit the softest, least expensive thing at the slowest possible speed" He was funny guy
There are Republican instructors who make themselves personally responsible and take pride in the development and welfare of a student. And there are democrat instructors, where everything is equal and there are no bad consequences and they just want to depopulate the earth !
I will not fly without a paper map.
As someone who was a skydiver in 93, I lost my friend due to a reserve malfunction. While I didn’t have children yet (23 yo) she did. I’ve since became a mom to 3 and my youngest turns 18 this November. That will be when I return to a hobby I loved. Your channel has really helped my become hyper aware of things to take note & be aware. This video and story is tragic and not a circumstance I’d be in, all are informative.
skydiving is for kids, outgrow it now
Please dont, be their for you kids. Find a new hobby which is safer.
How this woman passed her private check ride is beyond comprehension. Additionally, why no one from flight instructors to FAA representatives who may have watched some of her videos stepped forward to tell her she was unsafe and needed additional (LOTS) of training is also sad, as perhaps her death could have been avoided.
she passed because she's a woman, that's what happens when you lower standards in the name of diversity
Yeah, the FAA will send a notice to you if you even make a joke about unsafe practices, but let shit like this slide.
Don't worry, Alaska Airlines is hiring many just like her. Make sure your life insurance covers commercial flights.
Hold on that is the first thought. She was probably very competent in the airplane that she took lessons and took her check ride. her mistake was she upgraded to a bigger, faster airplane without getting a thorough understanding of its systems and how everything works in the new Bonanza.
with her shirt off.
I'm not a pilot, but I've dealt with folks like her. I bet there were people around this woman and knew how bad she was, and didn't tell her to her face for whatever reason or if they did say something she couldn't/wouldn't/didn't listen. I'll guess, deep down, she knew how bad she really was. I'll also guess that there were other scary incidents that were recoded, but weren't posted. She kept doing what she was getting away with until all everything came together and it wss too much for her to overcome and she paid for it.
My thoughts exactly. Very well said.
Beautiful Female privilege sadly, and it's getting worse for standing up to it can end your career.
100% truth. You'll be called a misogynist for being critical of a woman's dangerous behavior. Scary world we live in where the genitals you have can mean you're allowed to put others at risk.
100% truth. You'll be called a misogynist for being critical of a woman's dangerous behavior. Scary world we live in where the genitals you have can mean you're allowed to put others at risk.
100% truth. You'll be called a misogynist for being critical of a woman's dangerous behavior. Scary world we live in where the genitals you have can mean you're allowed to put others at risk.
Wow. As a father myself I'm wondering what her father was thinking during their last flight. It was obvious she was not exhibiting good skills or knowledge even to a non-pilot. She was obviously preoccupied with something other than safely flying.
constant fiddling with her hair suggests to me she was thinking about how she looked on camera and socials rather than concentrating on flying sadly.
He was thinking how proud he was of his daughter
The last vid would certainly go viral, should be posted as poignant learning experience but won't due to lessor priorities. (assuming some of the recordings survived impact)
@@eliotmansfield it’s true. It’s the background program that humans run. When a man is flying an airplane he’s consciously thinking about navigation, direction, perhaps talking to the tower etc, but subconsciously he’s processing how the airplane feels, vibration, sound, G forces etc…
When a woman is flying an airplane she’s consciously thinking about the same things, but subconsciously she’s thinking “how’s my hair?” 💅🏾
It’s like she was trying to play the role of a pilot instead of just being a pilot. I think she had grown into a mindset of always viewing herself as a character on social media. That’s at least one layer of abstraction away from being yourself in the moment doing something that requires enormous concentration.
I went on one flight, to see if this was something I wanted to take up as the “expensive hobby”. I spent my career as an emt. Being high on my own adrenaline isn’t new to me. He gave me the stick and showed me a heading, mapping is something I also thoroughly enjoy, and for five minutes I found something inside me that wanted to become that adrenaline junkie all over again. Lowered my chin a bit, cocked my head took a deep breath. And promptly asked the pilot to take over so I could enjoy the view. “Didn’t you like it? You looked like you did” “No one needs me to be a pilot. I was born a menace. I don’t need wings.”
This is how my father use to do trips with his car. He was proud not having an accident in 40+ years. I can tell you, this was because of the skills and awareness of the other drivers on the road.
"Never had a crash - saw plenty in my mirrors though!"
i think this is a good point. it's not always about getting into the accident but how those accidents nearly happened or how they were actually prevented.
She thought it was like driving a car, she had a bit of money and was ambitious....OK...life is not all about instagram pictures.. no ones impressed !
When I was learning to drive some decades ago, my dad's advice was valuable. Some of Dad's advice from his old Chevy might have even prevented this pilot's death. "don't mess with the controls", which was his way of saying that the driver should know where everything is and how to work it without looking at it. Hah, back then, his car only had AM and FM radio! We didn't have cell phones, cassette tapes, and not even old 8-Track machines in our cars. We didn't even have intermittent windshield wipers! We did have air conditioning, but that didn't work at all in the car in which I learned to drive! Another bit of advice from Dad was "this guy here is going to end up causing an accident, but he probably won't be in the accident himself. Keep an eye out for him, even if you get in front of him."
Most people who drive cars never have a crash, they are called sunday drivers. Car crashes have nothing to do with skill, you can't possibly account for every possible scenario when you drive a lot. Plenty of very skilled couriers who still get into crashes because of other drivers, that's because they drive all day.
Thanks for your perspective. I found her channel a few months before her accident. I am a low time private pilot and I cringed at some of her videos. It was easy to see that she was in way over her head with that airplane. Always sad to see anyone lose their life in that way. Condolences to her loved ones.
Did you and others say this at the time? What did she reply?
@@propgear123 Academic your honour, stick to the narrative.
And I bet you were silent as a stone too.
@@drjimjam1112 She was keenly aware that she did not understand how to use her equipment. What was I going to say to her?
Great video! Retired Naval Aviator here - you’re on target with the value of a brutally honest debrief. In flight school I remember reviewing accident footage to learn from others’ mistakes - this would be a good video for new pilots. Human factors are the biggest killer in aviation. A beautiful aircraft with all of the gadgets in the world are useless if the pilot doesn’t take time to be familiar with those systems. What’s most disturbing is what appears to be a lack of awareness of the gravity of her situation. Frustrating to watch - she needs a good mentor.
I grew up in Naval Aviation and my rule is never fly in a small plane unless the pilot is a former or current Naval Aviator.
needed...
She’s not alive anymore
“She needs a good mentor”
Yeah, that ship has already sailed.
@@LegioXIVGemina That is a very biased observation. You don't have to be ex military to fly a private plane.
I completely agree with what you said that this video will help save future lives. I am an FAA licensed A&P mechanic. I’ve been around general aviation aircraft for over 25 years. EVERYTHING you said is true with regard to a pilot briefing themselves. A pilot has to have IMOP years of knowledge and hours under their belt before considering a purchase of an aircraft. A serious pilot should gain hours and hours in what they know at a slow and steady pace. My heart breaks for this family.