Yeah, what the fuck happened there? She carried Wonder Woman on her shoulders. Was Whedon really that shitty a director? Or was that Snyder's fault? I really hope it wasn't because I think Hollywood needs more people who are willing to push against the system like Snyder does.
@@tomnorton4277 it was reshoot for the snyder version. It was still awful. Gadot just can't yell that line, but both directors should've simply change that line, or cut her line altogether.
My wife just a her post eyes and sighs...and I laugh and laugh and pack my bag and sleep in the car!!! Well worth it!!! Edit: um I got nothing for that first sentence...I think I was saying my wife just rolls her eyes...lol.
The moment someone self-identifies as a Male Feminist it’s over, that’s the kiss of death for anyone considering on taking them seriously; let alone trusting them.
Dave Chapelle did, and most people still think he’s not a washed up comedian that just steals jokes that Paul Mooney stole and claims that they were in fact stolen from him
That's why I say to them "self-castration video when?". Not just because it's pretty much what feminism wants from them figuratively if not literally but as a means to make sure they can't harm anyone anymore.
Males in the feminist cloak are no different that wolves in a sheep cloak or a tribe member with muh antisemitism cloak. Or a whyte hating racist in muh your racist cloak. or a virus with a protein shell that prevents antibodies locking on
I can't remember her name, ATM, but the actress that played the dumb scream queen stereotype in Buffy talked about that stuff before metoo came around. As far as I'm concerned, the rest of them were mostly salty that they couldn't get past C-list levels from, "working," with him, while working with him.
Joss Whedon is definitely not the type of guy you want hang out with your sister while she's passed out drunk. Anyone who labels themselves as an ally is grounds for suspicion
@@scockery Jesus Christ. You been saving that one since the 90s? Why would you want your sister 1)drunk 2) hanging with any man? Need a nephew that badly?
@@professorfukyu744 It is an old SNL David Spade from the 90's, yes. I don't know what the rest of your post was about since mine was joke on the word "ally."
I mean, in his defense, Charisma Carpenter looks incredible sans clothing. Do some image searches of her from that movie 'Bound'. I know that those things have been augmented, but damn.
I was in law school in Puerto Rico last semester, and the professor, a former judge, was ranting about discrimination in the courtroom, but she was only giving implicit examples, like sexist jokes made by lawyers in the office. When I asked about explicit discrimination and why we were only discussing implicit discrimination, she told me that I *had* to have misunderstood what she was saying because "Spanish isn't your first language, implicit and explicit are in practice the same"... The look she gave me was enough to keep me from asking again.
Damn, Madonna was spouting wisdom? My respect for her just went up. Also, I know people were complaining about Madonna's recent photos but let's be honest, she must have a phenomenal plastic surgeon because she doesn't look anywhere near 63. She wears her years better than Sandra Bullock or Nicole Kidman do and both of them are still attractive women, although their plastic surgeons clearly aren't as good as Madonna's. I can see why she's still able to attract much younger boyfriends.
I will say his fall from grace started with Kevin Feige wanting him out of the way to control the MCU himself, which started around Age of Ultron. Why else do you think the entire media started making fun of his writing style after that movie dropped. Him being a male feminist only makes it hilarious that it happened to him and hard to feel sorry for him.
@@ghostfear2011 seems odd given they still do that. But hollywood at too inteligent at times. Seems Kev has been getting slapped around a bit for being a jackass himself now.
@@theliato3809 Joss gave an interview where he stated that he saw a lot of himself in Ultron. In the revelations of this new article and a rewatch of AOU, Ultron is so OBVIOUSLY a result of Joss Whedon's relationship with his mother (with Tony Stark filling in that role). The dynamic, is actually good, because it comes from somewhere very real.
It's a pity though, that Yatzee has been going steadily more and more woke as of late. Feels like every single review he's done has to have some clumsily crowbarred in jab towards Trump or the "Alt-Right." It's gotten rather annoying.
@@sixwingedasura3059 that's what put me off him as a fan. I use to watch his zero punctuation videos religiously ten years ago but when he jumped on the bandwagon and had a bitch about some sims knock off gameboy advanced game not having a same sex marriage option that was the kiss of death for me. And the rest of the Escapist team quickly followed suit.
@@kri249 god what a petty little shit, complaining about that. Was it japanese? If so, what did he expect? He should stop being so xenophobic and accept other cultures already.
Don't forget, he also helped to jump-start the "subverting expectations" craze with Current Year screenwriters. Only... he knew how to do it _well,_ setting up scenarios where the audience thinks it's about to see something mundane that they've seen a thousand times before, and then BOOM! Something cool happens and surprises them. Seems like the current writers got that whole process 100% reversed in their heads, setting it up to look like something cool is about to happen and then... nope. Nothing happened. "Ha ha! Gotcha, audience!"
That's Whedon in a nutshell. He can do things right, he can do things wrong, but he can't do things he can't fucking do. He was never fit to be a lead writer for a superhero franchise. Maybe a co-writer or as part of a larger creative team, but not as the main man. He's good at building character relationships and quippy banter, but he's horrible at making a high-stakes superhero movie like, I don't know, MOST of his movie resume, and he's particularly ass when the script has to have a lot of intricate moving parts, subplots, and crossover characters, which is another thing that's important for superhero movies. Just a waste of talent.
And then Rian saw that and assumed it was all about invoking emotion. Much like how postmodernist artists in the mid century just tried to be provocative for its own sake after Picasso shook things up.
I like Firefly and I completely agree with you, people act like it's the second coming of Christ and the worst tragedy since his death that it got cancelled, when really it's just a pretty good Space Western a genre that has been throughly explored and done better in anime to the point were Firefly arguably plagiarized elements of it *cough* Outlaw Star *cough*
@@Skewrz I always just assumed Joss had clearly ripped off...er...paid homage to Cowboy Bebop. There's way too many similarities for it to be coincidence.
It SHOULD BE a cautionary tale for ... WOMEN ... but then "the emotional creatures" cant be taught to be careful of people who "are on their side" and are somewhat charming. Jane Austen already wrote warning tales about such behaviour 200 years ago ... and it is clear WOMEN HAVENT LEARNED ONE BIT!
He nailed a number of actresses and made millions. His gravy train running out after 20 years is not a "cautionary tale". The terrible consequences for his actions are limited to missing out on another spree on the top. And maybe some public embarrassment if he even feels it. I agree with one thing, the clumsy way he did himself in, now that bit sure is funny.
Hard not to resent Joss Whedon for kicking off the whole "every scene needs a joke, even if a major character just died" thing. Plus by extension it sort of inspired Snyder's thing of "joyless, pseudo-philosophical MCU movie where nobody smiles" on the opposite spectrum. Cape movies just fucking suck ever since.
The original Sam Raimi Spiderman movies were gold because they wove together action, comedy, and tragedy so well. The first two were a near-perfect synthesis of the elements of a good comic book adaptation without Wedon's irritating joke-a-minute style of writing.
I'll defend Whedon on this since he actually treated scenes properly and the jokes were situational. Hulk is loose in the Helicarrier? Jokes stopped. Coulson died? Jokes stopped. Avengers are getting overrun by Chitauri? Jokes stopped. It was the people afterwards that didn't understand the ebbs and flows of story and just assumed "joke good".
"...eaten more stars than Kirby." Holy shit. I expect to get killed by Razorfist but this one shook me so hard I think I need to call my parents to make sure the comedy assassination didn't go back a generation.
I'm just going to make it a rule of thumb that if anyone says they're a male feminist, I'll just back away slowly, and begin counting down the days until the allegations come rolling in. Those who preach the loudest often have something to hide.
Must be nice to get tens of millions of dollars from puppet nations just by being an attractive tribe member with bad puppet language skills. still its more honest than stealing the puppet nations wealth by seizing ownership of their currency.
The portrait of a true male feminist. I’m glad he ignored the old adage “Better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.” Better than what’s on TV these days 🍿
Don't forget that he had a "closed door" meeting with Michelle Tractenberg when she was 15 resulting in the studio barring him from ever being alone with her again.
And the only reason on why Agents of Shield also works is because Joss didn’t do too much of the writing and his half brother along with another show runner always runs the ship and slowly ignored the wedonism’s as the series went on and instead go into what I call… The MCU’s answer to Zack Snyder’s Justice League before the JL movie was ever made. How do I know this? Cause the series went into a much DARKER and more serious direction!
Fundamentally, Whedon's fall was due to his wife complaining that be betrayed her by having affairs with the actresses on his shows. If a woman had done the same, they very people who condemned Whedon for his infidelity would praise her for exploring her sexuality.
"male feminist is mellenial-ese for closet sexual peccant"- Razorfist. i knew hitting the subscribe button after the Friday Night Tights was a good fucking idea lmaoooo
I feel like an alien whenever I hear about woke wars. I'm sure Josh is 100% a clown but in the back of my mind for every fall guy Hollywood spits out, I like to think they're hiding someone ten times worse.
Also 10 times more of them. The orgs that are supposed to regulate them, along with the law enforcement and judiciary, are all in on it, too. They're not all sex pests and pedos, but they're happy to ignore them for a fee.
They are. "Hollyweird" is an accurate moniker. For example, look at what happened with Jamie Lee Curtis's son, who's collaborated with GameGrumps in the past. He turned out to be an autogynephile.
“He has no sense of character voice…” I mean…yeah. It’s telling how the only two movies he’s directed where there were distinct character voices were both of his Avengers films, and that was likely because he had other producers or writers for those characters in his ear making sure he didn’t fuck it up.
Even there I would say he ended up debasing their characters down to be more quip motivated rather than conflict motivated. Which also set the precedent for every proceeding marvel film to follow and the reason why there’s no sense of tension due to: ‘Gee, sure is interesting I like [insert pop culture reference here]!’ *Jim from the office style zoom in while canned laughter track plays*
About ten years ago, I met Carisa Carpenter at an autograph signing. I had to stand next to her for a few minutes. I could not believe how beautiful she looked up close like this. Whedon must be blind.
I remember Adam Ragusea saying the same thing about Mario Batali's shows, and it rings true here. And if you look at it, there's more than just the one person involved in television.
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His last show came and went with a whimper... I can't even remember its name.
@@insensitive919 As someone who writes, the literal last thing I want when I'm writing is someone else in the same house as me. What's that word the kids are using these days? "Sus" Joss was always pretty sus.
To be fair Razor seems to put about double the energy into his delivery, and that's compared to Styx on a hyper-caffinated day. He'd blow his voice out doing 3-5 vids a day. Styx can do that because he just sits there and "calmly" chats like he's at some coffee house. Nevermind that Razor has a bit more time in editing the vids/overlays.
I am metal head, when i think of Razorfist and Styx - they are like 2 metal bands that are similar that i like. The format of content is pretty different though, and that's a good thing - because it's diversity of the non-woke kind.
He just strikes me as a bog-standard rich kid who was born on third base and told the world he hit a triple. I’m not convinced anymore the frequent brilliance of shows like Angel and Buffy were because of him.
He also did Dr horrible sing-along blog which I think is mostly him. I think he has an important creative role to play but needs others in influential positions to reign him in; kinda like a "male feminist" version of George lucas
@bodd boward Fair! Buffy and Angel seasons are about 1/3 stinkers as was every show operating on the old model that required 22 episodes a season. But it was sophisticated stuff before HBO and AMC changed the game. Look at the writing credits of Angel or the later seasons of Buffy and it’s a “who’s who” of people who graduated to the new paradigm. Whedon did not.
@@politicalqueso George Lucas didn't need to be reined in. The Prequels hold up damn well and he actually SAVED The Empire Strikes Back after Gary Kurtz and Irvin Kershner fucked it up.
@@tomnorton4277 I disagree only on the prequels; they are good characters in a wonderful world but jeez that dialogue is painful.the prequels are only acceptable because disney starwars missed the mark so badly.
That’s actually pretty sound advice from Yahtzee right there at the end. Your characters should have lines that sound wrong coming from other people in the story
I have never met a male feminist that didn’t have something screwed up about them. Even if I don’t know it explicitly there’s usually something about them that gives them away.
Nah ... he isnt the only one to blame, because JAR JAR ABRAMS has ruined at least two franchises with his bad "copies of old storylines while making changes that make no sense" ... and RUIN JOHNSON and his "subverting expectations" isnt the only one who DESIRES to displease the audience on purpose.
An overwhelming abundance of garbage copies of Whedon's style isn't his fault, it's the lazy writers who copy him. Now arguments about how good Whedon is to begin with are fine, I love Buffy and Firefly, but I can admit he doesn't have much range for character types, but at least he's good at that narrow range of characters.
If you've read past interviews with Joss Whedon him blaming others for his failings is nothing new. Any time a project fell apart he was always quick to run to the press and throw the people he worked with under the bus. It's just now on a massive scale for all to see.
So, after years of laying low, Joss resurfaces just to stick his foot so far down his throat he was crapping Nike logos...Hollywood is just an long, never ending, unfunny clown show...smh
"That Buffy was an underage dating service....". I really want to hear that story because virtually everyone who appeared on that show was hot as fuck.
Punisher is good but i dont like the direction of having him wear jeans and tshirt.. it just makes him look so boring, generic and bland. The skull suit from 80s and 90s is when he is cool. They should make it like that. But honestly everything that is tied to capeshit genre goes to shit, despite how good Punisher as comic and idea is.
"Ask Ethan Kleins eyebrows to stop breakdancing" LOL that's impossible. They're like Chris Tucker in Friday. Somebody slipped him some angel dust in a joint and they haven't stopped moving since.
What defines us as humans is our ability to recognise patterns of behaviour and form opinions in kind. How many of these 'male feminists' have to be exposed as sex offenders before the entire movement becomes one colossal joke?
@@TheAzureNightmare Razor likes Spoony but Spoony wouldn't like him is the issue. Spoony has really lost it with the crap he went through from his depression.
Whedon is why all paranormal novel heroines look like Buffy and sound like Buffy. They all try to be quippy and witty. It's also why these books don't sell.
I do agree with your conclusion on Hollywood deserving everything they get now, but there's no possible way I can feel anything but contempt and nausea when it comes to Whedon. He's a bearded haemorrhoid.
Joss Whedon also ruined an entire generation of screen writers, starting with the things he created with Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I heard that the TVTropes website started off as a Buffy fan site.
This philosophy of making quirk a personality was a damn mistake, and Whedon is partially to blame. It wasn't that bad in Buffy, as the tone of the show was very much in line with his style, but when he applies it to a more complicated script, it turns into cancer. The worst part about it is that he's capable enough of writing serious character arcs that the audience can be invested in. He made Black Widow into a fan favorite with her debut in Avengers and even in Ultron, so what the hell is his excuse of sticking to this shitty formula? Say what you want about Feige, but he, the Russo brothers, and the rest of his people took care of the series he was this close to squandering. Plus, James Gunn came in and showed how you can still be quirky without being insufferable. Joss had a lot of strengths, but he himself never used them right.
My criticism of Joss Whedon as a writer and producer is, i have always dispised his slap stick comical relief in everything he does - it's just fucking lame.
@@mrscruffles801 Tropes are recycled ideas that people repeatedly use so much that they often become tired and stale, hence the negative connotation of the term ‘trope’. What he’s saying is that Whedon’s writing is so unoriginal in its plot and characters that a fansite, simply by tracking those tropes in his writing, was able to build an entire comprehensive database of tropes in general by tracing where Whedon lifted his ideas from.
I don't know if this was Joss' line, but in "Avengers" when Captain America says "There's only one god, ma'am, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that." That was fucking awesome. Maybe my favorite line in the MCU.
@@TheRageaholic well best I can say, is I do like Yahtzee for he is . Consistent on his Zero Punctuations. As for his thoughts on aesthetics and epistemology in art, is up for questioning. Thank you for commenting Razor, I do enjoy your videos. Maybe I be interested to see your take on that Superman BDSM on the communist issue.
Whedon gave me one good thing in his career: Firefly. I love that short-lived chunk of gold. Nothing else is worthy of the high praise he’s received. Avengers? Any reader of the books older than 30 know how weak those films are. Instead of Hank Pym and The Wasp, he gave us ScarJo Widow.
See. This is where I try to explain to folks why I prefer things that don't last for 30 seasons. Had Firefly been a larger hit or stuck around longer, it would increase the chances of phoquing (play on French for seal, used to have ur teacher say this word ad nausea) up the series. It's similar to arguments I have with folks about why BGC (Bubblegum Crisis, the original is superior to...well most anime. Or how Shadowhearts should have stopped at 2. I'd rather smaller, shorter but more focused and tighter products than clunky watered down and dragged properties.
Avengers still beat Zach Snyder's Justice League handily. As for the Hank Pym and Wasp thing... they didn't have movies. All the heroes in Avengers, had prior movie appearances, even if they were minor like Black Widow and Hawkeye, except Hulk didn't technically have one in the MCU, so he's the only one who's casting wasn't set in stone. So I would actually excuse him including Hawkeye and Black Widow, because he used what he was given.
A show where the heroes are rugged individuals who fought a war for their independence against a vast Asian-American totalitarian corporate empire relentlessly assimilating every scrap of territory in the known universe? It's hard to know why it was cancelled so quickly. 😶
@@ryanrose9786 I agree with the sentiment. Like Matrix should've been the one (pun intended) and that was it. No sequels. But wasn't Firefly cancelled? Can you say it had a tight, focused script like that? I haven't seen it, so dunno if it left lots of plotlines open.
Considering the SJW’s of today ARE that, just rebranded via Alinsky strats “Take the weapons of your enemy and turn them against them.”, it’s -5 surprise
My favorite is when an interviewer asked him what question he would want a reporter to ask him and he said he wanted a reporter to ask him why he kept writing strong women to which he would reply “Because you are still asking me the question.” And now everyone quotes that line as if Joss Whedon was actually asked that question and didn’t make it up himself. As if anyone didn’t know why he wrote strong female characters.
It baffles me that Whedon's recent stuff is what the femmies are upset about. Like, threatening Gal Gadot's career because she's not good at it. Seriously, decades of casting couch nonsense and hair-trigger verbal abuse, and they're upset when he is a director.
Gal is as much of an egotistical maniac as Joss is. Her drug just happens to be money. I don't trust that the budget for WW84 just disappeared, and she and Jenkins got bonuses for it being put on HBOMax.
@@nightshift8249 It matters when directors get angry at her because she can't follow directions, and she tries to burn him for it. There are a thousand legitimate reasons to hate Whedon, but that's not one.
Whedon says in his interview that he wasn't all that popular as a kid, so when he started getting famous and women began to throw themselves at him, he says he would have hated himself if he'd turned them away. I do believe he was married at the time. I have to think this dudes fantasy stories were so good because he has no concept of reality.
Lol ok, I wasn't popular as a kid either but I'm not going to go have sex with groupies now that I'm accomplished and successful. That's a quick way to get metooed.
Buffy and Angel were his masterworks. Other than that he can do what Uwe Boll is doing right now: play golf for the rest of his life. Male feminist my ass.
He was thrusted into a reputation he wasn't prepared for. He got his bright points creatively, but the mantle of being the guy who "made the Avengers" was too much for a hipster shmuck who's experience thus far were making glorified live action Nick shows, except a tad bit edgier.
I really liked Firefly and Serenity and I think that’s because, for whatever reason, that’s the only setting where his characters have distinct voices. “Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal” is definitely something Wash would say and not Mal. “Now, I swear by my pretty blue bonnet, I will end you,” only lands from Mal, same as “See, Vera, dress up nice and you get to go places,” is quintessential Jayne. It’s really kind of jarring, actually to go from watching an episode of Firefly to watching some other Whedon property because the homogeneity surrounds everything like tar.
Angel. The characters actually have arcs and distinct voices. The things 'karaoke demon' Lorne would say could never be arbitrarily swapped out for the utterances of the brooding, self-effacing titular character. Joss had less to do with the day-to-day show-running on Angel so the feminism and Whedonisms are less present than in Buffy, and the chemistry of the cast elevated the material whenever it flagged (which t did, on occasion). And unlike with Buffy, something actually came of the male characters by the end of the show's run. Giles and Xander, despite being there since the beginning of Buffy, were pushed aside for people introduced in its last season (Including what, in retrospect, appears to be Whedon's casting-couch harem). As much as liked Firefly, it was undercooked. It peters out after a couple of stand-out episodes, and they were pretty much the same people at the end of its solitary season as they were at the beginning. Much more is made of Firefly than is warranted simply for the fact of it being uncoupled from the vampire baggage of Whedon's prior shows at that point. I'd say more about Dollhouse, if it wasn't for the fact that it's just so forgettable.
The Charisma Carpenter story is the one that kinda horrified me: she gets pregnant, he insults her for getting fat, she gets angry and indignant at him, he seems to be aware that she's pregnant and makes comments that she should be thinking about her career (and an abortion), then refuses to meet with her in private for months, then yells at her for trying to sabotage his show, starts insulting her for her Christianity and her "excuse" she's using to "avoid protecting her career" by getting an abortion... Whew, yeah. I don't know how much I'd believe anything like sexual assault claims against him (which there haven't been, other than the one actress who claimed "it was a known rule on set that he wasn't to be alone with me" [as in "I don't want to be alone with him"], but it mostly seems to stem from him being an edgy, far-left atheist "feminist" with only the prescribed notions of what a "real feminist" should be... I can imagine he's had some takes that are just an on point, and smart and creative -- "he was a 'bad actor' in both senses" is witty any way you look at it... I would *_try_* to defend him a little more if he just stuck with his Buffy/Angel/Firefly style "feminism" where he just included plausible-in-a-fantasy-setting strong women leads, but he decided to ride that far-left woke train a bit too far, probably not realizing *just how much he was making women's lives hell.* Too bad, not just those mentioned were great, but so was Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog, etc. Dude's got talent, but he's quite the megalomaniac... and a really perverse idea of how a "male feminist" should act. On the bright side, I don't think he's sexually assaulting adult women, let alone kids, which is what you tend to find with them. Those allegations tend to just be "sleeping around when he can" afaik. But ironically, he clearly doesn't comprehend how much his domineering attitude around women makes him... exactly what ostensibly he should hate.
@@SomeUnsoberIdiot Well, I guess if you use the far-left feminist [ie. Joss] definition, "did he ever have sex with someone who regretted it?" "did he ever after she said no, but after he pushed it she said yes?" [while in a "position of power"] -- if that's your definition then I'll give you the "practically 0".
@@TransRoofKorean That's the problem with any accusations that come out of Hollywood, there's no agreed upon definitions. Assault could be anything from "He literally forced me at gunpoint," to "We got drunk together in a hotel room once and I regretted it twenty years later." And no matter how emotional the "victim" seems you always have to remember that they might just be, well, acting.
@@SunwardRanger83 Yeah, although I think where he was coming from was from the opinion "everyone in Hollywood is a pervert and a pedo" -- to which I'd say that it surely can't be everyone, but it also surely is way too damn many of 'em.
@@zogwort1522 Yeah, now that I think about it, this idea that her steadily dating a guy for years was enough of an excuse to get pregnant, or that her belief that Jesus would oppose aborting fetuses disallows her from having an abortion... it's essentially the same thing as the *Holodomor.* Yeah, see where you're coming from. When I think about it, I really can't see the difference. Sorry! My bad!!!!
Marvel's The Avengers: "Black Widow: I'd sit this one out Captain. They're basically gods. Captain America: There's only one God, Ma'am, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that." Good Stuff.
I mean. Firefly is my favorite show of all time. But I lost all respect for joss when after having went on a rant and did all the anti Trump shit, was found to have been cheating on his wife. And sorry, you cannot be a feminist and cheat on your wife.
@@radagast7200 I think the standard LEGAL definition of prostitution is "the exchange of sex in return for personal benefit"... So, it's not just cash... but includes gifts... and "jumping on the casting couch", or for promotion, etc. There's a REASON that they call it "the world's oldest profession"... like a cave-woman exchanging it for meat. (pardon the pun) Perhaps a bit ironically, if you realize that doctors tell you that sex (and even mast.) is GOOD for you... both mentally and physically... it has health BENEFITS. That basically means that EVERYONE who is sexually active is a prostitute.
@Myles Trumbore well, the back and forth between the captain and the hooker was pretty good actually. She kept trying to act like she was in some sophisticated, intellectual profession and he would just flat out tell her she was a hooker. I kind of liked that bit.
@@radagast7200 ... and that is a problem WHY? The point is: MORALISING about something that WILL NEVER GO AWAY just shows that you are not living in reality!
I remember a guy defending him on Twitter, saying that just because he cheated on his wife doesn't mean that he's a bad feminist. Read his description of the word 'nubile.' It's creepy.
Imagine the balls on a guy to call Charisma C. a "hog." I am not going to pretend she is the Aphrodite of our time, but a hog? Nah. And Wheadon seems to have had a big impact on a lot of actresses, and not in a good way. Name one show he ran from which crazy hasn't sprouted.
I'm ashamed to admit that a guy like him being successful in the first place makes me bitter with the world. But it does. He's exemplary of an infection in meritocratic systems, with connections that beat talent.
In some other, better universe, there’s a headline from around 2002 where Gina Torres threw the bastard through a wall, after Adam Baldwin got done pistol-whipping him.
Every time I heard some self-aggrandized "genre" fan rant and rave and lavishly hyperbolize Whedon's patented cutesie-poo dialog as somehow being next-level writing talent, I wanted to kick a pigeon. Odious. And Firefly sucked nuts.
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Joss Whedon: "I'm a Feminist"
Woke Producer: "We would prefer a director that doesn't have a penis"
Joss Whedon: *Pikachu face*
He just needs to find a director with myopia, tell them he's a woman, and he might get lucky.
He needs to grow bigger manboobs and identify as a trans woman, then he'd be set for life.
Yeah, he could always just go the Wachowski route.
Whedon see's his career is about to be torched.
"ZA WHEDON'O"
Time fails to stop.
"... It... It worked in the Buffy era?!?"
I thought you were gonna say one that knew Harvey Weinstein in his prime.
"Kal-El, no."
Gadot delivered that line with all the feeling of a corpse embalmed with NyQuil.
Yeah, what the fuck happened there? She carried Wonder Woman on her shoulders. Was Whedon really that shitty a director? Or was that Snyder's fault? I really hope it wasn't because I think Hollywood needs more people who are willing to push against the system like Snyder does.
They should have told her to change it to "Kal-El, Oy vey", and she could have delivered it more convincingly.
@@tomnorton4277 it was reshoot for the snyder version.
It was still awful. Gadot just can't yell that line, but both directors should've simply change that line, or cut her line altogether.
_Snydertards: "It'll be better in the Snyder Cut"_
I haven't forgotten that it was just a different take of the same delivery.
@@MutantBamHammer I chortled. Too funny. Thank you.
When I listen to Razorfist, my neighbors do too.
Yours do, too? 🤘🏼
They will have good taste whether they like it or not.
So do mine.
My wife just a her post eyes and sighs...and I laugh and laugh and pack my bag and sleep in the car!!! Well worth it!!!
Edit: um I got nothing for that first sentence...I think I was saying my wife just rolls her eyes...lol.
@@awesomemccoolname7111 “Walk always in the light _or we will drag you into it._
The moment someone self-identifies as a Male Feminist it’s over, that’s the kiss of death for anyone considering on taking them seriously; let alone trusting them.
It's like mark of pestilence.
Dave Chapelle did, and most people still think he’s not a washed up comedian that just steals jokes that Paul Mooney stole and claims that they were in fact stolen from him
Self-identify or self-report??
You could say our days of taking Joss Whedon seriously are certainly coming to a middle.
That's why I say to them "self-castration video when?". Not just because it's pretty much what feminism wants from them figuratively if not literally but as a means to make sure they can't harm anyone anymore.
Hollyweirdo: "I'm a male feminist"
Everyone: "Start the clock on the 'me too' accusations in 3...2...1..."
Males in the feminist cloak are no different that wolves in a sheep cloak or a tribe member with muh antisemitism cloak. Or a whyte hating racist in muh your racist cloak. or a virus with a protein shell that prevents antibodies locking on
Every. Single. Time.
Don't you mean start the clock on the eventual rape charges...
@@luxordeathbed potato, potahto lol
I can't remember her name, ATM, but the actress that played the dumb scream queen stereotype in Buffy talked about that stuff before metoo came around. As far as I'm concerned, the rest of them were mostly salty that they couldn't get past C-list levels from, "working," with him, while working with him.
Joss Whedon is definitely not the type of guy you want hang out with your sister while she's passed out drunk. Anyone who labels themselves as an ally is grounds for suspicion
Especially Ally McBeal. She needs an Ally McMeal.
@@scockery Jesus Christ. You been saving that one since the 90s?
Why would you want your sister 1)drunk 2) hanging with any man? Need a nephew that badly?
@@professorfukyu744 It is an old SNL David Spade from the 90's, yes. I don't know what the rest of your post was about since mine was joke on the word "ally."
And still, they seek to bring prominent voices into struggle sessions to transform them into card-carrying red flags.
Allied forces in WW1/WW2: *o fucc*
Milo said years ago "When someone comes out as a male feminist, start the clock on the rape charges."
I prefer Bill Burr's bit.
@@SirBlackReeds so does Nia.
Ayoooooo 😂
“Rather than the clinical terminology; Marksmanship practice.” I really wish I could like this video twice.
I prefer dull blades of a woodchipper for them. Feet first with the engine only at idle.
@@Ratkill9000 said perfectly
Allow me to assist you sir.
Legendary
Just get another account.
"I am a male feminist" = "I'm a creep trying way too hard to hide the fact I a creep"
Just like anti racist equals racist and anti fascist equals fascist. People like this always claim to oppose the thing they do.
"He's a male feminist."
"No, he's a sex pest."
"Six of one."
Half dozen of the other.
Male feminist, code name for perverted degenerate - change my fucking mind.
@@lancepage1914 naw I don't need too ..lol
I mean, in his defense, Charisma Carpenter looks incredible sans clothing.
Do some image searches of her from that movie 'Bound'. I know that those things have been augmented, but damn.
Three videos in a week from Razörfist, who benefits? The Razorforce of course.
Stonks
The free razor provides
What a blessing
What if they made a music band called The Razorforce!
@@kejiri3593 Yeah, it could be like Dragonforce, but with more edge.
I'll see myself out.
When you look like Whedon... you embrace feminism.
... because the strategy of a "sneaky fucker" [actual term in biology] is the only one you have.
I was in law school in Puerto Rico last semester, and the professor, a former judge, was ranting about discrimination in the courtroom, but she was only giving implicit examples, like sexist jokes made by lawyers in the office. When I asked about explicit discrimination and why we were only discussing implicit discrimination, she told me that I *had* to have misunderstood what she was saying because "Spanish isn't your first language, implicit and explicit are in practice the same"...
The look she gave me was enough to keep me from asking again.
Ask again and I'll call you a rapist!
Spanish is actually my first language and I confirm that implicit and explicit are strictly not the same, they're fucking opposites.
Spanish is my first language, explicit and implicit are the exact oposite.
that's when you ask for a refund
She sounds fat
The feminist movement sold out women decades ago.
How else were those leading the movement going to get rich? Fighting for real equality does not win you privilege and luxury.
Well who else were they gonna step on to get ahead?
Hate to say it, but an old quote from Madonna (of all people) covers it quite well: "Did you expect to find well-adjusted people in show business?"
Damn, Madonna was spouting wisdom? My respect for her just went up.
Also, I know people were complaining about Madonna's recent photos but let's be honest, she must have a phenomenal plastic surgeon because she doesn't look anywhere near 63. She wears her years better than Sandra Bullock or Nicole Kidman do and both of them are still attractive women, although their plastic surgeons clearly aren't as good as Madonna's. I can see why she's still able to attract much younger boyfriends.
@@tomnorton4277 Even a blind chicken will find a grain eventually.
@@Muck006 As I recall, it was her response to someone asking her if she was an exhibitionist...
Way back in the 80's Madonna knew how the business worked and made it work for her
@@insensitive919 : Madonna has been sued for sexual harassment.
"Its like Vaush using the term "Minor attracted persons" rather than the clinical terminology *MARKSMANSHIP PRACTICE* "
- *Razorfist*
I will say his fall from grace started with Kevin Feige wanting him out of the way to control the MCU himself, which started around Age of Ultron. Why else do you think the entire media started making fun of his writing style after that movie dropped.
Him being a male feminist only makes it hilarious that it happened to him and hard to feel sorry for him.
werent people criticising it because the marvel humor was getting out of hand when the malevolent robot started wise cracking?
@@theliato3809 Where do you think it spawned from. The media got their marching orders from Kevin Feige.
@@ghostfear2011 seems odd given they still do that. But hollywood at too inteligent at times. Seems Kev has been getting slapped around a bit for being a jackass himself now.
@@theliato3809 Joss gave an interview where he stated that he saw a lot of himself in Ultron.
In the revelations of this new article and a rewatch of AOU, Ultron is so OBVIOUSLY a result of Joss Whedon's relationship with his mother (with Tony Stark filling in that role).
The dynamic, is actually good, because it comes from somewhere very real.
AoU failed at the BO (taking into account Disney's expectations), but I'm starting to think they fired because they knew he was a ticking bomb.
When Yatzee and Razor reach a consensus, you know there's something there.
Like their reviews of Thi4f.
It's a pity though, that Yatzee has been going steadily more and more woke as of late. Feels like every single review he's done has to have some clumsily crowbarred in jab towards Trump or the "Alt-Right." It's gotten rather annoying.
@@sixwingedasura3059 Like that weird extra punctuation video about diversity.
@@sixwingedasura3059 that's what put me off him as a fan. I use to watch his zero punctuation videos religiously ten years ago but when he jumped on the bandwagon and had a bitch about some sims knock off gameboy advanced game not having a same sex marriage option that was the kiss of death for me. And the rest of the Escapist team quickly followed suit.
@@kri249 god what a petty little shit, complaining about that. Was it japanese? If so, what did he expect?
He should stop being so xenophobic and accept other cultures already.
"Marksmanship practice " remark sent my coffee up my nostrils. Thanks for that, Razor
@@zogwort1522 See, you think it's a virtue signal to dislike pedos. I think it's just normal.
Don't forget, he also helped to jump-start the "subverting expectations" craze with Current Year screenwriters. Only... he knew how to do it _well,_ setting up scenarios where the audience thinks it's about to see something mundane that they've seen a thousand times before, and then BOOM! Something cool happens and surprises them. Seems like the current writers got that whole process 100% reversed in their heads, setting it up to look like something cool is about to happen and then... nope. Nothing happened. "Ha ha! Gotcha, audience!"
That's Whedon in a nutshell. He can do things right, he can do things wrong, but he can't do things he can't fucking do. He was never fit to be a lead writer for a superhero franchise. Maybe a co-writer or as part of a larger creative team, but not as the main man. He's good at building character relationships and quippy banter, but he's horrible at making a high-stakes superhero movie like, I don't know, MOST of his movie resume, and he's particularly ass when the script has to have a lot of intricate moving parts, subplots, and crossover characters, which is another thing that's important for superhero movies.
Just a waste of talent.
And then Rian saw that and assumed it was all about invoking emotion.
Much like how postmodernist artists in the mid century just tried to be provocative for its own sake after Picasso shook things up.
The Cabin in the Woods comes to mind. That movie got it right.
I thought that was the crew under Rian Johnson; I must be mistaken
@Chris W it probably helps that it was co written and directed by someone else.
I got told to get out in a tabletop game store for saying: "Firefly was overrated."
It's overrated AF, especially considering how much truly amazing TV shows we got in the early to mid 2000s.
@@ILikeGoils I irritate the fan boys by saying: "Cowboybebop beat him to the genre by about 2 years."
I like Firefly and I completely agree with you, people act like it's the second coming of Christ and the worst tragedy since his death that it got cancelled, when really it's just a pretty good Space Western a genre that has been throughly explored and done better in anime to the point were Firefly arguably plagiarized elements of it *cough* Outlaw Star *cough*
I still like Firefly, but stopped considering it an example of good writing after watching Deadwood.
@@Skewrz I always just assumed Joss had clearly ripped off...er...paid homage to Cowboy Bebop. There's way too many similarities for it to be coincidence.
Joss Whedon is a cautionary tale ...for soy boys, for the rest of us its an outright comedy.
It SHOULD BE a cautionary tale for ... WOMEN ... but then "the emotional creatures" cant be taught to be careful of people who "are on their side" and are somewhat charming. Jane Austen already wrote warning tales about such behaviour 200 years ago ... and it is clear WOMEN HAVENT LEARNED ONE BIT!
@@Muck006 Well women and accountability don't exactly go together very well.
I used to think that Joss Whedon's career meltdown was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.
He nailed a number of actresses and made millions. His gravy train running out after 20 years is not a "cautionary tale". The terrible consequences for his actions are limited to missing out on another spree on the top. And maybe some public embarrassment if he even feels it.
I agree with one thing, the clumsy way he did himself in, now that bit sure is funny.
Hard not to resent Joss Whedon for kicking off the whole "every scene needs a joke, even if a major character just died" thing. Plus by extension it sort of inspired Snyder's thing of "joyless, pseudo-philosophical MCU movie where nobody smiles" on the opposite spectrum.
Cape movies just fucking suck ever since.
The original Sam Raimi Spiderman movies were gold because they wove together action, comedy, and tragedy so well. The first two were a near-perfect synthesis of the elements of a good comic book adaptation without Wedon's irritating joke-a-minute style of writing.
Fancy seeing you here
Yeah we can’t get superhero movies like Logan or The Dark Knight.Those movies should be the standard for Superhero films and Joss Whedon ruined it.
@@leatherface4662 Hopefully The Batman is a course correction, I've heard some great things.
I'll defend Whedon on this since he actually treated scenes properly and the jokes were situational.
Hulk is loose in the Helicarrier? Jokes stopped.
Coulson died? Jokes stopped.
Avengers are getting overrun by Chitauri? Jokes stopped.
It was the people afterwards that didn't understand the ebbs and flows of story and just assumed "joke good".
"...eaten more stars than Kirby."
Holy shit. I expect to get killed by Razorfist but this one shook me so hard I think I need to call my parents to make sure the comedy assassination didn't go back a generation.
nerd gets power -> is a bully and cheats on wife.
many such cases
I'm just going to make it a rule of thumb that if anyone says they're a male feminist, I'll just back away slowly, and begin counting down the days until the allegations come rolling in. Those who preach the loudest often have something to hide.
Must be nice to get tens of millions of dollars from puppet nations just by being an attractive tribe member with bad puppet language skills. still its more honest than stealing the puppet nations wealth by seizing ownership of their currency.
“Joss Whedon is a male feminist!”
Kirbo gesp.
Joss Whedon is proof that yes, in Hollywood you can build an entire career off of one success.
All it takes is having the nerds on your side.
The portrait of a true male feminist. I’m glad he ignored the old adage “Better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”
Better than what’s on TV these days 🍿
I write, I delete. I write, I delete. There is no way to say something neutral that does not sound sarcastic.
Don't forget that he had a "closed door" meeting with Michelle Tractenberg when she was 15 resulting in the studio barring him from ever being alone with her again.
Remember: the only reason Firefly worked is because Tim Minear was doing the writing.
And the only reason on why Agents of Shield also works is because Joss didn’t do too much of the writing and his half brother along with another show runner always runs the ship and slowly ignored the wedonism’s as the series went on and instead go into what I call…
The MCU’s answer to Zack Snyder’s Justice League before the JL movie was ever made. How do I know this? Cause the series went into a much DARKER and more serious direction!
Actually filming a sunrise for 15 hours straight would be quite an impressive technical achievement!
Nah, James Woo can do that in 5 minutes
Fundamentally, Whedon's fall was due to his wife complaining that be betrayed her by having affairs with the actresses on his shows. If a woman had done the same, they very people who condemned Whedon for his infidelity would praise her for exploring her sexuality.
Normal people realize that it's wrong no matter who's doing it, Hollywood folks not so much.
"male feminist is mellenial-ese for closet sexual peccant"- Razorfist.
i knew hitting the subscribe button after the Friday Night Tights was a good fucking idea lmaoooo
I feel like an alien whenever I hear about woke wars. I'm sure Josh is 100% a clown but in the back of my mind for every fall guy Hollywood spits out, I like to think they're hiding someone ten times worse.
Yeah, pedos.
Oh, they definitely are.
Well, Epstein was a pretty popular guy for a reason, and he definitely didn't off himself.
Also 10 times more of them. The orgs that are supposed to regulate them, along with the law enforcement and judiciary, are all in on it, too. They're not all sex pests and pedos, but they're happy to ignore them for a fee.
They are. "Hollyweird" is an accurate moniker. For example, look at what happened with Jamie Lee Curtis's son, who's collaborated with GameGrumps in the past. He turned out to be an autogynephile.
“He has no sense of character voice…”
I mean…yeah. It’s telling how the only two movies he’s directed where there were distinct character voices were both of his Avengers films, and that was likely because he had other producers or writers for those characters in his ear making sure he didn’t fuck it up.
Even there I would say he ended up debasing their characters down to be more quip motivated rather than conflict motivated. Which also set the precedent for every proceeding marvel film to follow and the reason why there’s no sense of tension due to: ‘Gee, sure is interesting I like [insert pop culture reference here]!’ *Jim from the office style zoom in while canned laughter track plays*
Avengers 1 worked, by 2 most characters were bleeding into each other. Like that Thor and Ultron scene.
There's a reason the characterizations and writing improved after Age of Ultron. Comparing the characters in Infinity War to AoU is night and day.
Even then it was filled with whedonisms
You're not going to count Serenity? Seriously?
The glass ceiling line made me fall on the floor laughing.
Damn. Razor's spoiling us with these uploads. I'm not complaining though.
neither am i! ohh ZSJL was amazing! soo great! fuck the haters!
Same here and I’m all for it.
About ten years ago, I met Carisa Carpenter at an autograph signing. I had to stand next to her for a few minutes. I could not believe how beautiful she looked up close like this. Whedon must be blind.
I loved Firefly. I liked the Avengers.
Goes to show: love the art, not the artist.
Preach
I remember Adam Ragusea saying the same thing about Mario Batali's shows, and it rings true here. And if you look at it, there's more than just the one person involved in television.
His last show came and went with a whimper... I can't even remember its name.
7:37
Heard some good things about Buffy since my mom and sister both watch the show. Neither like Joss himself.
Always a treat to get a new rant while watching the back catalog
Indeed!
I've been wary of Joss Whedon ever since Hayley Atwell said they had decided on the Peggy Carter series after a night of wine and "conversation".
@@insensitive919 As someone who writes, the literal last thing I want when I'm writing is someone else in the same house as me. What's that word the kids are using these days? "Sus" Joss was always pretty sus.
"Ask Ethan Klein's eyebrows to stop break dancing" 😂😭😂😭 goddamn I almost pissed myself!
Me too.
Razors work ethic is going into overdrive, but he has a long way to go until he matches his twin brother Styx in terms of output
3-5 videos a day at last count.
@@JaxMerrick Some days with the later drops he hits 6, between here and new tech.
To be fair Razor seems to put about double the energy into his delivery, and that's compared to Styx on a hyper-caffinated day. He'd blow his voice out doing 3-5 vids a day. Styx can do that because he just sits there and "calmly" chats like he's at some coffee house.
Nevermind that Razor has a bit more time in editing the vids/overlays.
I am metal head, when i think of Razorfist and Styx - they are like 2 metal bands that are similar that i like. The format of content is pretty different though, and that's a good thing - because it's diversity of the non-woke kind.
He just strikes me as a bog-standard rich kid who was born on third base and told the world he hit a triple. I’m not convinced anymore the frequent brilliance of shows like Angel and Buffy were because of him.
He also did Dr horrible sing-along blog which I think is mostly him. I think he has an important creative role to play but needs others in influential positions to reign him in; kinda like a "male feminist" version of George lucas
@bodd boward Fair! Buffy and Angel seasons are about 1/3 stinkers as was every show operating on the old model that required 22 episodes a season. But it was sophisticated stuff before HBO and AMC changed the game. Look at the writing credits of Angel or the later seasons of Buffy and it’s a “who’s who” of people who graduated to the new paradigm. Whedon did not.
@@politicalqueso George Lucas didn't need to be reined in. The Prequels hold up damn well and he actually SAVED The Empire Strikes Back after Gary Kurtz and Irvin Kershner fucked it up.
What are you smoking? Buffy is, at best, somewhat enjoyable trash. It peaks at 6/10.
@@tomnorton4277 I disagree only on the prequels; they are good characters in a wonderful world but jeez that dialogue is painful.the prequels are only acceptable because disney starwars missed the mark so badly.
That’s actually pretty sound advice from Yahtzee right there at the end. Your characters should have lines that sound wrong coming from other people in the story
I have never met a male feminist that didn’t have something screwed up about them. Even if I don’t know it explicitly there’s usually something about them that gives them away.
I blame Joss Whedon for the current crap state of movies. After Avengers blew up, everything had to be a snarky quipfest.
Worse yet, this kind of writing also made its way into gaming too. He truly is the embodiment of bubonic plague in the field of entertainment.
It started long before him but those movies made it status quo. Can't fucking stand that shit
Nah ... he isnt the only one to blame, because JAR JAR ABRAMS has ruined at least two franchises with his bad "copies of old storylines while making changes that make no sense" ... and RUIN JOHNSON and his "subverting expectations" isnt the only one who DESIRES to displease the audience on purpose.
I mean despite it all it's not his fault. It's the people that you don't hear about that are responsible
An overwhelming abundance of garbage copies of Whedon's style isn't his fault, it's the lazy writers who copy him.
Now arguments about how good Whedon is to begin with are fine, I love Buffy and Firefly, but I can admit he doesn't have much range for character types, but at least he's good at that narrow range of characters.
A male feminist was a sexual degenerate ? I am shocked. Well not that shock.
Joss Whedon shows why male Feminists opose traditional Marriage, "solves" the Adultery Issue.
If you've read past interviews with Joss Whedon him blaming others for his failings is nothing new. Any time a project fell apart he was always quick to run to the press and throw the people he worked with under the bus. It's just now on a massive scale for all to see.
So, after years of laying low, Joss resurfaces just to stick his foot so far down his throat he was crapping Nike logos...Hollywood is just an long, never ending, unfunny clown show...smh
3 rants in one week? I must be in heaven!
"That Buffy was an underage dating service....". I really want to hear that story because virtually everyone who appeared on that show was hot as fuck.
Who was really that hot besides Eliza Dushku as faith lol
I've read Whedon hates the Punisher. Folks, never trust someone who hates the Punisher. Odds are, it's because they could see themselves on his list.
Punisher is good but i dont like the direction of having him wear jeans and tshirt.. it just makes him look so boring, generic and bland. The skull suit from 80s and 90s is when he is cool. They should make it like that. But honestly everything that is tied to capeshit genre goes to shit, despite how good Punisher as comic and idea is.
@@kejiri3593 you can duel wield shot guns in his Xbox game.
"Ask Ethan Kleins eyebrows to stop breakdancing"
LOL that's impossible. They're like Chris Tucker in Friday. Somebody slipped him some angel dust in a joint and they haven't stopped moving since.
7:21 "Between Buffy, Angel and Avengers, Joss Whedon's writing has touched nearly as many teenagers as Joss Whedon".
ROTFL!
What defines us as humans is our ability to recognise patterns of behaviour and form opinions in kind.
How many of these 'male feminists' have to be exposed as sex offenders before the entire movement becomes one colossal joke?
The ending clip raised my morbid curiosity.
Razor, Yahtzee, Spoony. Can we get all three 'spidermen' into a single podcast?
I don't think Razorfist likes Spoony though.
@@TheAzureNightmare Razor likes Spoony but Spoony wouldn't like him is the issue. Spoony has really lost it with the crap he went through from his depression.
I've never known why he hates Yahtzee. different taste I guess
@@drifter402 Probably because of his lefty politics. It can be annoying at times. At least he isn't as bad as Sterling.
@@johnnyboy2537 I dont know anything about that
Whedon is why all paranormal novel heroines look like Buffy and sound like Buffy. They all try to be quippy and witty. It's also why these books don't sell.
I do agree with your conclusion on Hollywood deserving everything they get now, but there's no possible way I can feel anything but contempt and nausea when it comes to Whedon. He's a bearded haemorrhoid.
@@insensitive919 😂😂
Joss Whedon also ruined an entire generation of screen writers, starting with the things he created with Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I heard that the TVTropes website started off as a Buffy fan site.
This philosophy of making quirk a personality was a damn mistake, and Whedon is partially to blame. It wasn't that bad in Buffy, as the tone of the show was very much in line with his style, but when he applies it to a more complicated script, it turns into cancer.
The worst part about it is that he's capable enough of writing serious character arcs that the audience can be invested in. He made Black Widow into a fan favorite with her debut in Avengers and even in Ultron, so what the hell is his excuse of sticking to this shitty formula? Say what you want about Feige, but he, the Russo brothers, and the rest of his people took care of the series he was this close to squandering. Plus, James Gunn came in and showed how you can still be quirky without being insufferable.
Joss had a lot of strengths, but he himself never used them right.
My criticism of Joss Whedon as a writer and producer is, i have always dispised his slap stick comical relief in everything he does - it's just fucking lame.
You saying tv tropes is bad?
@@mrscruffles801 Tropes are recycled ideas that people repeatedly use so much that they often become tired and stale, hence the negative connotation of the term ‘trope’. What he’s saying is that Whedon’s writing is so unoriginal in its plot and characters that a fansite, simply by tracking those tropes in his writing, was able to build an entire comprehensive database of tropes in general by tracing where Whedon lifted his ideas from.
@@peterboren14 Ah okay.
I don't know if this was Joss' line, but in "Avengers" when Captain America says "There's only one god, ma'am, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that." That was fucking awesome. Maybe my favorite line in the MCU.
"A BAD ACTOR IN BOTH SENSES"
Best bit.
I just want to reiterate how much I love this intro.
"He was Eating more Stars than Kirby" dude you deserve a trophy.
Dennis villenue has to be dana carvey playing a character.
Yahtzee has intellectual integrity, also he's proper good writer and witty.
@@insensitive919 quite, as well being more of a nerd then a metalhead.
A lot of these are jokes.
@@TheRageaholic well best I can say, is I do like Yahtzee for he is . Consistent on his Zero Punctuations. As for his thoughts on aesthetics and epistemology in art, is up for questioning. Thank you for commenting Razor, I do enjoy your videos. Maybe I be interested to see your take on that Superman BDSM on the communist issue.
Yahtzee sucks
@@magicjohnson3121 I'm sure their are elements I disagree with, for now I find him to be consistent on his criticism.
Whedon gave me one good thing in his career: Firefly. I love that short-lived chunk of gold.
Nothing else is worthy of the high praise he’s received. Avengers? Any reader of the books older than 30 know how weak those films are.
Instead of Hank Pym and The Wasp, he gave us ScarJo Widow.
Was there distinct character voice in Firefly, though?
Just curious on your take.
See.
This is where I try to explain to folks why I prefer things that don't last for 30 seasons.
Had Firefly been a larger hit or stuck around longer, it would increase the chances of phoquing (play on French for seal, used to have ur teacher say this word ad nausea) up the series.
It's similar to arguments I have with folks about why BGC (Bubblegum Crisis, the original is superior to...well most anime.
Or how Shadowhearts should have stopped at 2.
I'd rather smaller, shorter but more focused and tighter products than clunky watered down and dragged properties.
Avengers still beat Zach Snyder's Justice League handily.
As for the Hank Pym and Wasp thing... they didn't have movies. All the heroes in Avengers, had prior movie appearances, even if they were minor like Black Widow and Hawkeye, except Hulk didn't technically have one in the MCU, so he's the only one who's casting wasn't set in stone.
So I would actually excuse him including Hawkeye and Black Widow, because he used what he was given.
A show where the heroes are rugged individuals who fought a war for their independence against a vast Asian-American totalitarian corporate empire relentlessly assimilating every scrap of territory in the known universe? It's hard to know why it was cancelled so quickly. 😶
@@ryanrose9786 I agree with the sentiment. Like Matrix should've been the one (pun intended) and that was it. No sequels.
But wasn't Firefly cancelled? Can you say it had a tight, focused script like that?
I haven't seen it, so dunno if it left lots of plotlines open.
It's like those Megapreachers railing against homosexuality and drug abuse who get caught snorting meth off of a rentboy's abs.
"The Devil made me do it!"
Considering the SJW’s of today ARE that, just rebranded via Alinsky strats “Take the weapons of your enemy and turn them against them.”, it’s -5 surprise
Except unlike the preacher's, there isn't 3-5 examples that everyone harkens back to.
@@Shockguey keep coping
@@tadpolegaming4510 Keep listening to the media.
My favorite is when an interviewer asked him what question he would want a reporter to ask him and he said he wanted a reporter to ask him why he kept writing strong women to which he would reply “Because you are still asking me the question.” And now everyone quotes that line as if Joss Whedon was actually asked that question and didn’t make it up himself. As if anyone didn’t know why he wrote strong female characters.
It baffles me that Whedon's recent stuff is what the femmies are upset about. Like, threatening Gal Gadot's career because she's not good at it. Seriously, decades of casting couch nonsense and hair-trigger verbal abuse, and they're upset when he is a director.
Gal is as much of an egotistical maniac as Joss is.
Her drug just happens to be money. I don't trust that the budget for WW84 just disappeared, and she and Jenkins got bonuses for it being put on HBOMax.
In that regard, he’s correct. She cannot act. But a lot of successful stars cannot act so it doesn’t really matter
@@nightshift8249 It matters when directors get angry at her because she can't follow directions, and she tries to burn him for it. There are a thousand legitimate reasons to hate Whedon, but that's not one.
@@LetholdusKaspyr no I agree. I just mean in the sense lack of talent has not held back her career, and certainly will not moving forward
The stuff his ex-wife and Charisma Carpenter were saying about him in the past were way worse than this.
They just killed off the entire main JLA in the comics, presumably to make room for their "improved" versions...
Is it me but why is it that most male feminists all seem to have peculiarly oddly shaped heads???
I love that you put that Yahtzee Croshaw clip in at the end. It's such a good point about Whedon's writing.
Gadot's "Kal-El, NO" still gets me every time. It's so bad.
Whedon says in his interview that he wasn't all that popular as a kid, so when he started getting famous and women began to throw themselves at him, he says he would have hated himself if he'd turned them away. I do believe he was married at the time. I have to think this dudes fantasy stories were so good because he has no concept of reality.
Only someone who is not grounded in reality can write woke ubermensch bullshit.
Lol ok, I wasn't popular as a kid either but I'm not going to go have sex with groupies now that I'm accomplished and successful. That's a quick way to get metooed.
Joss Whedon ruined Geekdom by making it palatable to Normies and Karens
He helped, but his greater crime is his brand of humor, self-aware and snarky, becoming so damn commonplace.
Buffy and Angel were his masterworks. Other than that he can do what Uwe Boll is doing right now: play golf for the rest of his life.
Male feminist my ass.
He was thrusted into a reputation he wasn't prepared for. He got his bright points creatively, but the mantle of being the guy who "made the Avengers" was too much for a hipster shmuck who's experience thus far were making glorified live action Nick shows, except a tad bit edgier.
Buffy is overated
@@HBG313 Maybe, but alot of the episodes were fucking solid.
@@insensitive919 Allign with the ideology and everything can be overlooked.
I really liked Firefly and Serenity and I think that’s because, for whatever reason, that’s the only setting where his characters have distinct voices. “Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal” is definitely something Wash would say and not Mal. “Now, I swear by my pretty blue bonnet, I will end you,” only lands from Mal, same as “See, Vera, dress up nice and you get to go places,” is quintessential Jayne. It’s really kind of jarring, actually to go from watching an episode of Firefly to watching some other Whedon property because the homogeneity surrounds everything like tar.
Firefly was unique, seems like it had as much to do with the specific group of actors and their chemistry as anything else.
Angel. The characters actually have arcs and distinct voices. The things 'karaoke demon' Lorne would say could never be arbitrarily swapped out for the utterances of the brooding, self-effacing titular character. Joss had less to do with the day-to-day show-running on Angel so the feminism and Whedonisms are less present than in Buffy, and the chemistry of the cast elevated the material whenever it flagged (which t did, on occasion). And unlike with Buffy, something actually came of the male characters by the end of the show's run. Giles and Xander, despite being there since the beginning of Buffy, were pushed aside for people introduced in its last season (Including what, in retrospect, appears to be Whedon's casting-couch harem).
As much as liked Firefly, it was undercooked. It peters out after a couple of stand-out episodes, and they were pretty much the same people at the end of its solitary season as they were at the beginning. Much more is made of Firefly than is warranted simply for the fact of it being uncoupled from the vampire baggage of Whedon's prior shows at that point. I'd say more about Dollhouse, if it wasn't for the fact that it's just so forgettable.
The Charisma Carpenter story is the one that kinda horrified me: she gets pregnant, he insults her for getting fat, she gets angry and indignant at him, he seems to be aware that she's pregnant and makes comments that she should be thinking about her career (and an abortion), then refuses to meet with her in private for months, then yells at her for trying to sabotage his show, starts insulting her for her Christianity and her "excuse" she's using to "avoid protecting her career" by getting an abortion...
Whew, yeah. I don't know how much I'd believe anything like sexual assault claims against him (which there haven't been, other than the one actress who claimed "it was a known rule on set that he wasn't to be alone with me" [as in "I don't want to be alone with him"], but it mostly seems to stem from him being an edgy, far-left atheist "feminist" with only the prescribed notions of what a "real feminist" should be...
I can imagine he's had some takes that are just an on point, and smart and creative -- "he was a 'bad actor' in both senses" is witty any way you look at it...
I would *_try_* to defend him a little more if he just stuck with his Buffy/Angel/Firefly style "feminism" where he just included plausible-in-a-fantasy-setting strong women leads, but he decided to ride that far-left woke train a bit too far, probably not realizing *just how much he was making women's lives hell.*
Too bad, not just those mentioned were great, but so was Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog, etc. Dude's got talent, but he's quite the megalomaniac... and a really perverse idea of how a "male feminist" should act.
On the bright side, I don't think he's sexually assaulting adult women, let alone kids, which is what you tend to find with them. Those allegations tend to just be "sleeping around when he can" afaik. But ironically, he clearly doesn't comprehend how much his domineering attitude around women makes him... exactly what ostensibly he should hate.
He's a hollywood creature. The chances of him having never raped or fiddled are practically 0.
@@SomeUnsoberIdiot Well, I guess if you use the far-left feminist [ie. Joss] definition, "did he ever have sex with someone who regretted it?" "did he ever after she said no, but after he pushed it she said yes?" [while in a "position of power"] -- if that's your definition then I'll give you the "practically 0".
@@TransRoofKorean That's the problem with any accusations that come out of Hollywood, there's no agreed upon definitions. Assault could be anything from "He literally forced me at gunpoint," to "We got drunk together in a hotel room once and I regretted it twenty years later." And no matter how emotional the "victim" seems you always have to remember that they might just be, well, acting.
@@SunwardRanger83 Yeah, although I think where he was coming from was from the opinion "everyone in Hollywood is a pervert and a pedo" -- to which I'd say that it surely can't be everyone, but it also surely is way too damn many of 'em.
@@zogwort1522 Yeah, now that I think about it, this idea that her steadily dating a guy for years was enough of an excuse to get pregnant, or that her belief that Jesus would oppose aborting fetuses disallows her from having an abortion... it's essentially the same thing as the *Holodomor.* Yeah, see where you're coming from. When I think about it, I really can't see the difference. Sorry! My bad!!!!
Goldust is one of the best wrestling characters from the last two decades or more. Razor has great taste!
I love it when these rants are released during my break. It makes the day all the more better
“Film a sunrise for 15 hours straight.” Thanks, I’m not going to get anything done until I unpack that.
Marvel's The Avengers: "Black Widow: I'd sit this one out Captain. They're basically gods. Captain America: There's only one God, Ma'am, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that." Good Stuff.
I mean. Firefly is my favorite show of all time. But I lost all respect for joss when after having went on a rant and did all the anti Trump shit, was found to have been cheating on his wife. And sorry, you cannot be a feminist and cheat on your wife.
Even in firefly, he tried to glorify and sophisticate prostitution.
@@radagast7200 I'm not sure it was necessary glorifying it. But I mean that is a logical thing that can happen in the future.
@@radagast7200 I think the standard LEGAL definition of prostitution is "the exchange of sex in return for personal benefit"...
So, it's not just cash... but includes gifts... and "jumping on the casting couch", or for promotion, etc.
There's a REASON that they call it "the world's oldest profession"... like a cave-woman exchanging it for meat.
(pardon the pun)
Perhaps a bit ironically, if you realize that doctors tell you that sex (and even mast.) is GOOD for you... both mentally and physically... it has health BENEFITS.
That basically means that EVERYONE who is sexually active is a prostitute.
@Myles Trumbore well, the back and forth between the captain and the hooker was pretty good actually. She kept trying to act like she was in some sophisticated, intellectual profession and he would just flat out tell her she was a hooker. I kind of liked that bit.
@@radagast7200 ... and that is a problem WHY? The point is: MORALISING about something that WILL NEVER GO AWAY just shows that you are not living in reality!
I absolutely LOVE your intro bro!
Especially the "tracking errors" and the vcr sound effects!
Hell of a channel Razor!!!
I remember a guy defending him on Twitter, saying that just because he cheated on his wife doesn't mean that he's a bad feminist.
Read his description of the word 'nubile.' It's creepy.
Oh, another male feminist. Time to reset the clock! What? What do you mean it's permanently stuck at 0?
Imagine the balls on a guy to call Charisma C. a "hog." I am not going to pretend she is the Aphrodite of our time, but a hog? Nah. And Wheadon seems to have had a big impact on a lot of actresses, and not in a good way. Name one show he ran from which crazy hasn't sprouted.
I'm ashamed to admit that a guy like him being successful in the first place makes me bitter with the world. But it does. He's exemplary of an infection in meritocratic systems, with connections that beat talent.
< connections that beat talent. Hate to say it but that's pretty normal.
I’m finding kind of funny he called that woman a “sweat hog”. Lol
I loved Firefly... Could have been a good series.
Always nice to hear a rant in the early morning
It sounds like victory.
In some other, better universe, there’s a headline from around 2002 where Gina Torres threw the bastard through a wall, after Adam Baldwin got done pistol-whipping him.
You big ups for that Goldust T Shirt, honestly Dustin was so underrated in WWF/WWE and remains one of my favorites from the 90's and 2000's era.
That takedown at the end by Yahtzee was hilarious
Every time I heard some self-aggrandized "genre" fan rant and rave and lavishly hyperbolize Whedon's patented cutesie-poo dialog as somehow being next-level writing talent, I wanted to kick a pigeon. Odious. And Firefly sucked nuts.
Hahaha love the "hide your drinks" comment. I've been using it for years whenever someone mentions a male feminist.
It's refreshing to hear the word "slick" in a sentence again. People need to bring that word back.