@@StinkinGoodAle3241Herr von Karajan purportedly had one quarter Dacian (mixed with ancient Roman colonizers) roots ancestrally, as his father was an Aromanian of Greek birth. Mine are apparently Illyrian from present day Montenegro. My father, an educated man, would tease fellow Albanians that only we Gegh's were the true Illyrians. He left it to the Tosc's to be our Greeks.
Direction de très haute tenue de la part de Karajan, qui sera souvent par la suite peu à son aise dans Bruckner, et d'un orchestre remarquablement haut en couleur qui rivalise ici avec le Berliner Philharmoniker.
Hello, only the last 3 movements can be purchased online. Only the last one is in stereo -(. the only complete work otherwise available is the concerto "The Emperor" No. 5 by L.V. Beethoven...
@@henryopitz3254 I guess it's tragic having the knowledge that Jewish musicians in the Orchestra were probably murdered by 1944 and you wouldn't find a Jew in the audience for the same reason. That's the tragic part.
I'm not a Karajan fan, he is a great conductor, but I don't like how he was carrying his chin waaay too high, as if he only touched the ground with his feet to change direction. I like the more humble guys, like Wand, which also suits Bruckner better as a person, imho. But Karajan understood what is actually meant with "Feierlich, nicht schnell!" A whole lot of conductors did or do not. It strikes me that, when this was recorded, most German major cities have been already laying in ruins. Not one family in the Reich, which did not already havs lost family members or even their homes. Those buggers, who had to play under Karajan were more lucky than the ones, who died in the West as well as in the East, sure. But we do not grasp, what sort of torture by their parents and teachers they had to stand in their childhood, to become professionals. I can hardly watch a concert, not thinking what poor, broken, emasculated muppets they have been made. Maybe the trench is not the most cruel fate at all?
@@grassmugge Most people do all the time, because they can't differ projection from perception, but I can meanwhile. I feel sorry for all the kids, who did not had the strength, ending up as doctors or lawyers or the musicans mentioned above. It is a violent world of forced and traumatised people, so fuck with that "timeless recording". Its not worth the ruined cities, don't you think?
@@grassmugge But may I ask, what do you think is worse. Having a good childhood but dying early on the eastern front or beeing forced into a musican's career from early childhood on by overambitious parents and living through the war? It's a hard decision or is it not?
by this time Germany had closed all the theatres and the orchestras were losing players here and there to the War effort. It is amazing that they could play as well as they did. This was the Orchestra of the Berlin State Opera in it's guise as a symphony orchestra.
I like it a lot. My favorite is still the Kegel/Leipzig RSO but this is very intense, terrific. And consider the time period, the thoughts going through everyone's heads. Except HvK ; he likely thought he was Invincible !
@@jjakiefte2165 It reminds me much of later Bruckner 8ths conducted by Herbert von Karajan. Karajan has always been a master of this magnificent work, and as shown here very early. Yes, there have been others who got this work well, like Maazel (with the BPO!) and Wand, and maybe Haitink with the Concertgebouw (the recording that was my first hearing of it) on a classical radio station in the 1970's.
Amazing recording sound quality!
German audio engineering was the best in the world at that time, maybe still is. I love my Neumann microphone :)
Perfection technique et d’interprétation
Maravilhosa interpretação!
Meravigliosa interpretazione
Die Musik: revolutionär
Das Spiel: brilliant
Such a shame that Furtwangler never had THIS sound.
I read somewhere that the opening of this finale represented the Austro-Hungarian Kaiser's Hussars charging the Tsar's (Cossacks??)
I had heard that about the dotted-note passage in the trumpets in the coda.
@@StinkinGoodAle3241Herr von Karajan purportedly had one quarter Dacian (mixed with ancient Roman colonizers) roots ancestrally, as his father was an Aromanian of Greek birth. Mine are apparently Illyrian from present day Montenegro. My father, an educated man, would tease fellow Albanians that only we Gegh's were the true Illyrians. He left it to the Tosc's to be our Greeks.
素晴らしい〜strings especially ethereal
First stereo tape.
44年録音とは思えないほどクリアなステレオ録音ですよね？全曲無いのが残念ですが、
貴重な記録です。
No existe la grabación completa .
Direction de très haute tenue de la part de Karajan, qui sera souvent par la suite peu à son aise dans Bruckner, et d'un orchestre remarquablement haut en couleur qui rivalise ici avec le Berliner Philharmoniker.
Uncomfortable? Perhaps too comfortable actually.
Wow!
Excellent. Is the complete symphony available?
Hello, only the last 3 movements can be purchased online. Only the last one is in stereo -(. the only complete work otherwise available is the concerto "The Emperor" No. 5 by L.V. Beethoven...
Speed of tape is 1m/s
16:28
Just completely extraordinary (and, tragically, not a single Jew in the orchestra or the concert hall).
Why is it a tragedy? I think they did a phenomenal job with this recording
@@henryopitz3254 I guess it's tragic having the knowledge that Jewish musicians in the Orchestra were probably murdered by 1944 and you wouldn't find a Jew in the audience for the same reason. That's the tragic part.
I'm not a Karajan fan, he is a great conductor, but I don't like how he was carrying his chin waaay too high, as if he only touched the ground with his feet to change direction. I like the more humble guys, like Wand, which also suits Bruckner better as a person, imho. But Karajan understood what is actually meant with "Feierlich, nicht schnell!" A whole lot of conductors did or do not.
It strikes me that, when this was recorded, most German major cities have been already laying in ruins. Not one family in the Reich, which did not already havs lost family members or even their homes. Those buggers, who had to play under Karajan were more lucky than the ones, who died in the West as well as in the East, sure.
But we do not grasp, what sort of torture by their parents and teachers they had to stand in their childhood, to become professionals. I can hardly watch a concert, not thinking what poor, broken, emasculated muppets they have been made. Maybe the trench is not the most cruel fate at all?
Do You talk about Yourself? In the face of such timeless recording?
@@grassmugge Most people do all the time, because they can't differ projection from perception, but I can meanwhile. I feel sorry for all the kids, who did not had the strength, ending up as doctors or lawyers or the musicans mentioned above. It is a violent world of forced and traumatised people, so fuck with that "timeless recording". Its not worth the ruined cities, don't you think?
@@grassmugge But may I ask, what do you think is worse. Having a good childhood but dying early on the eastern front or beeing forced into a musican's career from early childhood on by overambitious parents and living through the war? It's a hard decision or is it not?
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Historically interesting and I glad you have published it. Thank you. But in my opinion it is not a particularly well played performance.
by this time Germany had closed all the theatres and the orchestras were losing players here and there to the War effort. It is amazing that they could play as well as they did. This was the Orchestra of the Berlin State Opera in it's guise as a symphony orchestra.
No? Where does the performance lack in quality?
I like it a lot. My favorite is still the Kegel/Leipzig RSO but this is very intense, terrific. And consider the time period, the thoughts going through everyone's heads. Except HvK ; he likely thought he was Invincible !
@@jjakiefte2165 It reminds me much of later Bruckner 8ths conducted by Herbert von Karajan. Karajan has always been a master of this magnificent work, and as shown here very early. Yes, there have been others who got this work well, like Maazel (with the BPO!) and Wand, and maybe Haitink with the Concertgebouw (the recording that was my first hearing of it) on a classical radio station in the 1970's.