Ok There's Only Been 2 Minor Steals, 2 Major, And 2 Possibly Major Steals That Saga Have Committed. 1: The 7 Chaos Emeralds, Originally The 6 Chaos Emeralds And Then The 7 Sol Emeralds, A Numerical Steal Is Very Minor And They Dont Even Do The Same Thing. 2: Super Sonic, Copied The Concept Of Super Saiyan. 3: Silver, They Took The Whole Concept Of Future Trunks. 4: GT, Sonic X Stole The Basic Plot Of GT. 5: Mecha Sonic Trying To Body Swap With The Real Sonic, Just Like The Concept Of Goku Black. 6: "Cyber" Super Sonic, A Powered Up Version Of The Super Form Surrounded By Electricity, Where Have We Seen That Before 🤔 It Is Hypocritical Of Saga To Say They Dont Wanna Be Similar To DB But Then Make There Own Insert Fanfic Anthro Future Trunks, Not To Mention Copying Super Saiyan.
1: Super Sonic isn't like Super Saiyan, they only look the same and that's all that's alike. 2. Trunks isn't the first fictional character to go back into the past to change the future. 3. Sonic X is nothing like Dragon Ball GT. 5. Mecha Sonic existed before Goku Black was even an Idea. 6. Sonic Frontiers Update 3 hasn't released yet so we don't know if that's the full power of Cyber Sonic.
@@Leticia-6-20-15 1: Both Have Hightened Stats And Seem To Only Work On 1 Race At Least As Of Modern Times. 2: *Saga Admitted* That They Based Silver Off Of Trunks. 3: Sonic X Stole GT's *Main Plot Line,* 7 Mystical Objects Are Hurtled Across The Universe And If Not Brought Back To Earth In A Year The Planet Blows Up. 4: Mecha Sonic Attempted To Steal Sonics Body *Recently.* 5: Its A *More Powerful Form Of Super* Otherwise Why Have It Or Use It? And Its *Surrounded By Electricity,* Just Like SSj2. At Least Try To Do Some Research Before You Even Attempt To Be A Smart@$$ Man.
1: The 7 Chaos Emeralds share a single number with the Dragon Balls. dragon balls have copied the emeralds more. 2: Super Sonic is relevant, far more powerful, has a massive amount of different powers to SSJ. 3: Silver, a better, young far less bullshit version of Trunks. a time traveller but nothing much different 4: what the fuck does GT and Sonic X have 5: Mecha Sonic Trying To Body Swap With Sonic is a basic mind swap trope, no similarities. 6: the Super Sonic power boost has electric on His body. does that mean static shock, the flash, and literally all people with lightning are copying SSJ2 (the most underused form in DB history)
These are all the excact things I think of when people say all these arguments of why they haven't brought back hyper sonic, and the basically just contradicted everything they said before with the "super sonic 2" form in frontiers
I didn't even know hyper sonic existed, like even as someone who's played a lot of sonic games. the fact that it's been almost 30 years since this form has been in a game and they haven't used it again is mind boggling
There are a handful of fans who don't want to see the form return, to avoid fans asking for the form back, and diminishing the cool factor of Super form. The only problem, is if fans haven't forgotten in 30 years, they never will. If Sega restores Hyper Sonic, then they ought to cap it there, because anytime they up the power cap, fans will never forget.
Power creep is the reason why hyper sonic isn't coming back pretty much means after hyper sonic comes back we'll be expecting a more powerful for sonic every couple of years like Dragon Ball But I do have a couple of fixes for power creep 1. Just bring back Hyper Sonic and make that his final form 2. If they want to avoid power creep just make hyper Sonic more powerful as Sonic gets more powerful (e.x how he needed super sonic to beat perfect chaos in sonic adventure but in generations he defeated him in base) 3. They don't have to add hyper sonic in every single game just bring him back when the time is needed we still all want Super Sonic to be special 4. Make Hyper sonic just an extension of super sonic just making him Super Sonic at full power (but we all know it's still hyper sonic) I would really love to see Hyper Sonic come back I really miss him
Well yes, the concept and look is plain cool, and that's the reason, the "rule of cool." As for making him look less seizure inducing, that could be fixed b having his colors fade to a soft white glow before fading into the next color. This way all the colors are represented, and he spend and equal amount of time in the soft white glow, without any flickering. When he uses the area effect attack move the enemies could simply pop without any screen flash.
The best way to avoid it being used as much is to use its own mechanic, the super emeralds Usually super sonic will be good enough to defeat most enemies, but if its really needed they will need to take the emeralds to the Master emerald, power them up one by one and then you will be able to transform into hyper sonic and after that one transformation make the emeralds go back to normal leaving the stone reliqued behind A tedious process that you wouldnt do for every enemy, only for the ones that are truly strong
Super tails is far more powerful though. His screen clearing move requires no input and works on bosses. Hyper sonics isnt automatic but can be used at will but doesnt work on bosses. And hyper knuckles is definitely the weakest of all, very situational. Super amy is pretty good too though, in between hyper sonic and hyper knuckles, but super tails is by far the best.
I think the reason Sega doesn’t want to bring Hyper Sonic back is because they hate Sonic 3 & Knuckles because they had to oblige to the McDonald’s deal.
personally if they bring hyper sonic back they have to keep his design the same, a white sonic with a rainbow aura is just very cheap not to mention that a lot of people loved hyper sonic for his rapidly changing colour and it's one of the things I hate the most about the sonic frontiers modding community
The only good reason as to why hyper sonic dosen't show up is power scalling, Super Sonic got rid of Solaris a 4th dimensonal omnipresent god that destroys universes by just existing... If the want to bring hyper sonic back they need to make a much bigger threat than Solaris...
I believe it was stated that Solaris was the strongest threat Sonic had to face. With The End from Frontiers being the second. But in the video, I agree, Super Sonic 1v1 Solaris would result in Sonic losing. Sonic had help with Super Shadow and Super Silver to defeat Solaris and Sonic had help with Sage to defeat The End. Power scaling is a probable issue, but there are ways to make it make sense
No sonic beat Solaris by himself he just couldn't exist in past present and future at the same time that why he need shadow and silver all thee beat the own Solaris they all didn't tag team Solaris beat him they just beat their own Solaris in their time period sonic got present shadow got the past and silver got the future
@@sonicathewerehog1915Yes Sonic did beat Solaris by himself but he was only able to defeat Solaris in one time period and wouldn’t have been able to do it all alone. Solaris was devouring *ALL* of time therefore Sonic would have to defeat Solaris multiple times (which he couldn’t do hence Shadow+Silver’s involvement) Therefore Solaris is stronger than Super Sonic as Sonic could not beat Solaris multiple times consecutively hope this makes sense, it’s a bit difficult to explain lol
@@mephilesfanthis is like saying Garlick Junior is Stronger than Current Manga Gogeta because the fusión does not have a way of killing a inmortal Being, Súper Sonic IS Stronger,and thanks to Sonic's insane Power Progression,you could argue even Current Base Sonic has More Physical stats Than Solaris,at the very least, Súper Sonic IS STRONGER,he just has no way of Fully KILLING the dude
Ama be dead honest they should change hyper sonic to make it a silver color with purple eyes and the aura to be slight rainbow and everytime he boosts afterimagines show different colors and the rings limit doubles from super sonic instead of 1 it should be 2 rings
Or they could also have each color fade to a soft white glow before fading into the next color. This way he still has all the emerald colors, but doesn't flicker, and would likely look even better.
This one form that was merely done as a compensation after splitting the game into 2 left such an impact that we're still obsessing over it nearly 30 years after it's debut. Sega ignoring it just makes that obsession grow, with frontiers any excuse they had before lost any little credibility it had left.
@@J_E_R_S-t6cI personally don't like the name, "Super Sonic 2". To me, it makes it sound like an evolution to Super Sonic just like how Super Saiyan 2 is an evolution on the SSJ transformation, even tho the game itself makes it clear that it's more like Kaioken (a Cyberken, if you will).
The idea of denying Hyper Sonic because they want to avoid power creep is stupid when they just add things like Cyber Corrupted Super Sonic anyway. Frontiers set up the fact that the Chaos Emeralds are from another planet, but the Master Emerald is from Mobius. So a game that dives into the effects of the Master Emerald on these alien super stones would make sense moving forward anyway.
I do agree with them to not have hyper sonic bcs of powercreep issue. But it's also a hipocrisy from Sega keep re-releasing the same old unified game instead of the separated ones. If they keep with the same thing, with the same hypersonic as a valid transformation, so it's real and cannon, right? I really can't understand why they couldn't use the basic logic for simple things. Or they just couldn't accept the reality how hyper sonic it's cool and very appealing to their fanbase. If it was a massive problem, so they just could remove it from sonic origins.
One of the reasons I’ve heard is that hyper sonic would make super sonic completely redundant, which does kind of make sense since while other forms had their own things going for them, hyper sonic is just super sonic but better
Not really given how much work is needed to make Hyper happen. Getting all 7 Chaos Emeralds, giving them up to the Master Emerald Shrine, and doing more Special Stages to power up the new Super Emeralds. And that's just game mechanics. There's other reasons they could give to make Hyper something that isn't easy to initiate as Super.
I believe sonic and knuckles originally was made single in the first place was cause they wanted to release a game in time for a McDonald’s promotional deal.
The perfect way to do hyper Sonic is wait until sa3 which they most likely will do in the future. The story should be some type of multiverse which opens up for hyper Sonic to come back. Dr egg man has control over different universe etc.
6:14 - Did you say UI happened in 2015? That's incorrect. I was there following the news and the episode releases. I seem to recall it was late 2017, around winter or so actually.
The only modern hyper sonic they did make and then removed it is nazo. He is a supposed hyper sonic for modern day. And i still think when they said he was super sonic i think they meant hyper but avoid it by saying super. Since super sonic was really in the same pilot that hyper sonic was in and they really done making super sonic design since 1992. So its was really the canon modern hyper sonic we have right now and hes color is a crystall white color like.
At this point I see Hyper Sonic as just another form, over the years Sonic has had forms that only make it in one title and, poof* same thing happened with Frontiers.
I would love if they brought dark sonic, silver metal sonic, metal knuckles and maybe even some unleashed honestly I'd be real satisfied with mentions of other universes of sonic in future games because I like easter eggs.
I would say DARK sonic is a lesser super but dark spine would be a more perfected and equal to super in its own way being that he pyrokenesis more in that form while he uses telekinesis more in super.
Hyper Sonic is canon, but it should never come back ever again. 1: Hyper doesn't doo much as a form to stand out anyway, a rainbow Super Sonic is semi cool- but unless you do some fan designs with different quill shapes cosmetically it's pretty eh. Excalibur and Darkspine made massive changes in their abilities, design and all around cause to justify their one time inclusion in their select games. 2: Super can molly-slam all enemies in the series, Hyper coming back would be MASSIVE overkill for anyone in His way removing any little tension left in a fight. 3: once again, Darkspine and Excalibur Sonic are forms that justify their existence by just looking at them. Darkspine is a more animalistic (far better version than Dark Sonic from X) version of Sonic with a purple and white hairdo with fire powers. Excalibur is SONIC DRIPPED OUT OF HIS MIND WITH A GLOWING GOLDEN SWORD. 4: What they meant by introducing new forms is "if we Hyper in, we have to make a new form eventually because of the jump in power." not like Darkspine or Excalibur which are locked away by story reasons. 5: The new forms are usually meant to be one time gigs, so they're all put away at the end of their story. Also never consider the fake super sonic as a decent transformation. Dark Sonic = major ass 6: Super Sonic would suffer from something I liked to call "SSJ Syndrome". If they added in say- Hyper Sonic again, what next? if super isn't enough one time just bring back hyper. then you'd run into that problem that Goku has where a new form devalues and erases the need for the first form. Like with what happened to the "legendary" Super Saiyan. SSJ was made irrelevant by SSJ2 and so on and so forth, adding forms again and again cause problems for what the form originally meant. SSJ went from the pinnacle of Dragon Ball and anime itself to basic form anyone can unlock anytime they damn well please. SSJ Syndrome A form
@@ShermanYeo one thing people will always ignore is the fact Hyper was only meant for that specific game as an extra. He doesn't fit thematically in a fight
I understand wanting Hyper Sonic too; but I feel like a lot of your arguments don’t really understand why Hyper sonic hasn’t returned despite the “hypocrisy“. Like, there are other super forms? Yeah but they require different transformation items. Excalibur Sonic is made using, well…Excalibur. Hyper Sonic is made using the Chaos Emeralds plus the Master Emerald to boost them. If Hyper Sonic is available, so is Super Sonic, and it should be doing the job all on its own. Which brings us to them not wanting to be like Dragon Ball. The problem isn’t that they don’t want to steal their ideas, it’s that they want to avoid the power crept form trope with Super Sonic. Super Sonic is supposed to be special in a way the yellow haired Super Saiyan 1 simply isn’t anymore; especially since Sonic only goes Super once per threat on average (although we’ll need to see if the Frontiers formula continues to change this). Super Sonic should always be the thing to save the day because of this, it should never be “not enough,” it should never “do nothing”…so there’s no reason an actual Sonic plot should go into Hyper Sonic. The only real context I could see them using Hyper is that of its first appearance; a hard-to acquire unlock, maybe tied into a non-canon boss battle or something.
Yo I have a crazy theory but I think the writers of Frontiers were originally planning on making that blue fanged cyber form the final transformation of the game after their Hyper Sonic pitch was rejected. So to combat this they made a form that was ripped straight from Dbz just called Supper Sayain 2/ Super Sonic 2, almost to say yeah we don’t care it’s like Dbz Sega what of it? Also Hyper Sonic is the most different form it’s not white it’s multiple colors. Unlike Super Sonic he can’t drown, He’s after and his rings burn out faster to stop Super Sonic from becoming obsolete
The only half decent point I can give this video is the abundant one-time power ups Sonic has gotten, but let me offer a rebuttal. How many of them have stuck around? This point would be more valid if at least ONE of these new forms stuck around past their specific games. And if we let Hyper Sonic in, we have to let Ex-Calibur and Dark Spine in to stay, and that will actually lead to the power clutter SEGA has spoken out against. The Hyper Sonic and Blue/UI Goku point really just seems like a desperate reach, especially if its over the colors of it all. Hyper HAS white in it, but its not the focal point of the aesthetic, like how white is for UI and blue for SSJBlue. And thats also ignoring that Dragon Ball has a history as early as 93, with Super Saiyan 2 on Gohan, with having an "evolution" to Super Saiyan. And this was before 3&K, which was 94. Look, I get it, Hyper Sonic is dope as hell. I like him too, but the only way SEGA is hypocritical is if you boil down what theyre doing to a....frankly dishonest degree, and try to push an artificial similarity as fact. As cool as Hyper Sonic is, it's clear he only exists to fill the "Chaos Emerald" quota of Sonic & Knuckles, much like how the World Rings do for Secret Rings.
I appreciate your comment and your input! however let me offer a rebuttal to your rebuttal lol 1. Yes all of the forms I mentioned in this video have never stuck around BUT they do still have representation and have been featured in serval games! Sonic forces speed battle is a great example of this. Now yes that game isn't anything special but its still a form of sonic media that has at least referenced these different forms and yet they still don't show hyper sonic that same curtesy. Also these additional forms have had an in game explanation for not showing back up, but hyper sonic doesn't, all we have is what has been said in interviews and the few second cameo of the super emeralds in mania which the only reason they we even in that game was because hyper sonic was suppose to be in it! 2. Power clutter and Power creep are just excuses that don't actually matter. Its cool to use these concepts as a narrative experiment but at the end of the day non of it is real and all of these characters are just fictional. They could make a new form for sonic called SUPER PURE sonic and say that it is the only form that can stop XYZ bad guy and there wouldn't be any issue and they even did this in Sonic Frontiers where super sonic wasn't enough but if sonic goes and harness cyber power he is able to beat THE END so what is the issue with doing something similar with Hyper sonic? Having hyper sonic come back, at least once would not cause power clutter, nor will it cause some narrative meltdown, the reality of it is that Sega just doesn't want to use Hyper sonic and they are making excuses to explain there decision and they are the same company that said only male hedgehogs could go super so I mean, its not really all that far fetched. ( before anyone says it, yes I know Trip can go super, this is an exception that shows Sega is finally backing off on the rules they made which is a good thing ) 3. I was specifically focusing on the fact that Sega has made the claim that they didn't want to have there game and characters become to similar too dragon ball, I know the comparison to Hyper sonic and Blue/UI Goku is a stretch and that's the point because the only alternative form Goku had at the time was SS2 which looks nothing like Hyper Sonic and the only forms that do kinda sorta look like Hyper is Blue/UI Goku. Now I'm not saying they didn't take inspiration from SS2 back in the 90's but the comparison to them doesn't hold water. The whole point of that statement is the simple fact that Sega didn't want Sonic to become too similar to dragon ball but that doesn't really mater since they don't seem to actually care, I mean now we have Super Sonic 2 and that legit is just SS2 so it doesn't really seem like it maters anymore which makes the whole argument not to bring back Hyper Sonic cause of Dragon Ball make less sense. At the end of it all your right, Hyper sonic was only done because of S3K's setup which is fine, however the form has become so loved that giving it the modern shine one time would be amazing, and developers have already tried to do it so there is obviously a desire for Hyper Sonic, he is just a cool form that makes super sonic look boring so what's the harm in letting people have there fun for once? And all of the "reasons" that Sega has given over all of these years just seem...well... hypocritical lmao But either way that's just how I feel about and I respect your perspective!
@@Jetter06I think the problem is that Hyper Sonic will become the new standard once it arrives and will eventually devalue Super Sonic, making it obsolete. But Powered-up and Cyber Super Sonic are Super Sonic's amplification by cyber energy. That is, it's the same Super Sonic, but with an extra boost, unlike Hyper Sonic, which is a full-fledged form. And in my opinion, this is a safer way to "canonize" Hyper Sonic.
Screw dragon balls. We need our boy sonic to unleash his true abilities that is obviously beyond super sonic transformation. For me it would be a perfect idea to show ultra sonic first instead of hyper sonic. If you didn't know, ultra sonic is a super form that is used in the archie comics and it needs only one super emerald to use that transformation. And oh boy ultra sonic can clap any other super form sonic has and even all of goku's forms even MUI, becuase ultra sonic can basically do anything. He can control molecules of any living or non thing. Also he is literally invulnerable to all threats, physical or magical. He can manipulate time and space, and he has freaking wish powers and there is no limits
Sega probably won't be showing comic book forms. Game power levels are scaled down hard from the comics anyhow, to make fun gameplay. If Super is being used for each boss fight, then it only makes sense to use Hyper for the final boss and hidden uber bosses, as it's a way to take it up a notch so that the player isn't using the exact same power up for every fight in the game. Although I do think it ought to be capped at Hyper.
Why sega didn't added hyper sonic in every other sonic games like sega says "oh hyper sonic is too op and is like super sonic and he have too flashing screens so we cancelled hyper forms
nah your wrong dragon ball DOES care about them taking inspiration toryama( author of dragonball) literaly LIKES the fact that antoher franchise is taking inspiration from his 🤣
Same. I know you can just play through the second part as super sonic or super knuckles, but the temptation is always there. One of the blue spheres levels is pretty tricky but i usually clear em in one go still.
Super nickpicky but sonic DID 1v1 solaris. All the hedgehogs fought him at 3 different points in time. Sonic only needed help because he couldn't be in 3 places at once
I want Hyper Sonic back. But if it means having unwinnable fights... every single... time. Then no, it can stay dead. Again I'd love to see it back again, but I can already hear the complaining from people.
Your idea is good, but the point you made about it ruining reality will just ruin hyper sonic. For me, i loved sonic for super. Im not kidding. Being able to transform anytime you want into a powerful form is so amazing and cool, but if it ruins reality, then it will be locked behind bosses. And also you are giving an idea for sega to use to say "uhh yeah he ruins reality so sonic stopped using hyper"
Forget these fan interpretations, he is not "white," he is supposed to flash each color of the emeralds consecutively while also flashing in and out of white like Super Sonic. While every color does indeed makes white when put together, Hyper Sonic instead flashed the colors of the emeralds consecutively, not simultaneously. This always bothers me and I know it is stupidly ridiculous of me jajaja.
He is really white in modern day. Nazo for example is a supposed design of modern hyper sonic. And he was not really a super sonic because ss was already in the same pilot that hyper was in. If you ask me i think when they said he was super sonic i think they meant he is hyper. But avoid the word hyper. Like when they did to hyper amy in sonic origins.
You make a valid point. My suggestion was that he should fade from color to a white glow, then fade into the next color. That would avoid any flickering. Sonic 3 AIR handled it perfectly. That and he needs the rotating star emission effect too.
To be honest, out of all the sonic games over the years, hyper should have only came back to series just to beat The End from Sonic Frontiers honestly. Because super sonic is already a god as is so there would be no point in putting him in the past games because it just wasn’t necessary.
@@Jetter06 So true! Because if they do decide to make SA3 in the future and the next threat may be as strong or stronger than The End, I’d say they will have no choice but to put Hyper Sonic in or unless they do something similar like in frontiers and give him another source of power, but it all depends on Sega to be honest.
The End would've been the PERFECT time to bring Hyper back. There's even a Master Emerald on Ares Island. Shattered, but they could've done something with it.
You're being a parrot who assumed it was true, from another parrot, who also never looked into it. 1. Why would Sega rerelease S3&K with the form in Origins if that were the case? 2. If the flickering colors was an issue they could always slow down the color cycle and have each color fade to a soft white glow before fading into the next color. It would still look cool.
They can make hyper sonic have a white color with hints of very light other colors, with rainbow trail or holo protections with colors moving in a rhythm motions, like the thumbnail for this video, a lot of artists imagin and made that way, so hyper sonic color swapping won't cause seizures. So that's not a good excuse anymore.
@@limemaster6952Agreed. There's plenty of ways to give him a white glow and represent all of the emerald colors without flickering. I'm amazed that people always blurt out out the seizure thing without even considering it doesn't need to flicker.
Ok There's Only Been 2 Minor Steals, 2 Major, And 2 Possibly Major Steals That Saga Have Committed.
1: The 7 Chaos Emeralds, Originally The 6 Chaos Emeralds And Then The 7 Sol Emeralds, A Numerical Steal Is Very Minor And They Dont Even Do The Same Thing.
2: Super Sonic, Copied The Concept Of Super Saiyan.
3: Silver, They Took The Whole Concept Of Future Trunks.
4: GT, Sonic X Stole The Basic Plot Of GT.
5: Mecha Sonic Trying To Body Swap With The Real Sonic, Just Like The Concept Of Goku Black.
6: "Cyber" Super Sonic, A Powered Up Version Of The Super Form Surrounded By Electricity, Where Have We Seen That Before 🤔
It Is Hypocritical Of Saga To Say They Dont Wanna Be Similar To DB But Then Make There Own Insert Fanfic Anthro Future Trunks, Not To Mention Copying Super Saiyan.
1: Super Sonic isn't like Super Saiyan, they only look the same and that's all that's alike.
2. Trunks isn't the first fictional character to go back into the past to change the future.
3. Sonic X is nothing like Dragon Ball GT.
5. Mecha Sonic existed before Goku Black was even an Idea.
6. Sonic Frontiers Update 3 hasn't released yet so we don't know if that's the full power of Cyber Sonic.
While I do agree that Hyper Sonic should come back, most of these aren't similar to DB.
@@Leticia-6-20-15 1: Both Have Hightened Stats And Seem To Only Work On 1 Race At Least As Of Modern Times.
2: *Saga Admitted* That They Based Silver Off Of Trunks.
3: Sonic X Stole GT's *Main Plot Line,* 7 Mystical Objects Are Hurtled Across The Universe And If Not Brought Back To Earth In A Year The Planet Blows Up.
4: Mecha Sonic Attempted To Steal Sonics Body *Recently.*
5: Its A *More Powerful Form Of Super* Otherwise Why Have It Or Use It? And Its *Surrounded By Electricity,* Just Like SSj2.
At Least Try To Do Some Research Before You Even Attempt To Be A Smart@$$ Man.
1: The 7 Chaos Emeralds share a single number with the Dragon Balls. dragon balls have copied the emeralds more.
2: Super Sonic is relevant, far more powerful, has a massive amount of different powers to SSJ.
3: Silver, a better, young far less bullshit version of Trunks. a time traveller but nothing much different
4: what the fuck does GT and Sonic X have
5: Mecha Sonic Trying To Body Swap With Sonic is a basic mind swap trope, no similarities.
6: the Super Sonic power boost has electric on His body. does that mean static shock, the flash, and literally all people with lightning are copying SSJ2 (the most underused form in DB history)
Ofc the classic silver = trunk
Soo original 😐
These are all the excact things I think of when people say all these arguments of why they haven't brought back hyper sonic, and the basically just contradicted everything they said before with the "super sonic 2" form in frontiers
I didn't even know hyper sonic existed, like even as someone who's played a lot of sonic games. the fact that it's been almost 30 years since this form has been in a game and they haven't used it again is mind boggling
There are a handful of fans who don't want to see the form return, to avoid fans asking for the form back, and diminishing the cool factor of Super form. The only problem, is if fans haven't forgotten in 30 years, they never will. If Sega restores Hyper Sonic, then they ought to cap it there, because anytime they up the power cap, fans will never forget.
All I ask is for Hyper Sonic. Just one more time.
For real! Just one more time in modern form, is that so much?
@@Jetter06maybe in the comics
Power creep is the reason why hyper sonic isn't coming back pretty much means after hyper sonic comes back we'll be expecting a more powerful for sonic every couple of years like Dragon Ball
But I do have a couple of fixes for power creep
1. Just bring back Hyper Sonic and make that his final form
2. If they want to avoid power creep just make hyper Sonic more powerful as Sonic gets more powerful (e.x how he needed super sonic to beat perfect chaos in sonic adventure but in generations he defeated him in base)
3. They don't have to add hyper sonic in every single game just bring him back when the time is needed we still all want Super Sonic to be special
4. Make Hyper sonic just an extension of super sonic just making him Super Sonic at full power (but we all know it's still hyper sonic)
I would really love to see Hyper Sonic come back I really miss him
Well yes, the concept and look is plain cool, and that's the reason, the "rule of cool." As for making him look less seizure inducing, that could be fixed b having his colors fade to a soft white glow before fading into the next color. This way all the colors are represented, and he spend and equal amount of time in the soft white glow, without any flickering. When he uses the area effect attack move the enemies could simply pop without any screen flash.
The best way to avoid it being used as much is to use its own mechanic, the super emeralds
Usually super sonic will be good enough to defeat most enemies, but if its really needed they will need to take the emeralds to the Master emerald, power them up one by one and then you will be able to transform into hyper sonic and after that one transformation make the emeralds go back to normal leaving the stone reliqued behind
A tedious process that you wouldnt do for every enemy, only for the ones that are truly strong
Super tails is far more powerful though. His screen clearing move requires no input and works on bosses. Hyper sonics isnt automatic but can be used at will but doesnt work on bosses. And hyper knuckles is definitely the weakest of all, very situational. Super amy is pretty good too though, in between hyper sonic and hyper knuckles, but super tails is by far the best.
Fun Fact: Sonic's "Paradox form" is actually Primatic Sonic (Confirmed by one of the animators)
I think the reason Sega doesn’t want to bring Hyper Sonic back is because they hate Sonic 3 & Knuckles because they had to oblige to the McDonald’s deal.
Wait fr?
@@zacharyzellen7004 The McDonalds: yes, everything else is just speculation.
personally if they bring hyper sonic back they have to keep his design the same, a white sonic with a rainbow aura is just very cheap not to mention that a lot of people loved hyper sonic for his rapidly changing colour and it's one of the things I hate the most about the sonic frontiers modding community
The only good reason as to why hyper sonic dosen't show up is power scalling, Super Sonic got rid of Solaris a 4th dimensonal omnipresent god that destroys universes by just existing...
If the want to bring hyper sonic back they need to make a much bigger threat than Solaris...
I believe it was stated that Solaris was the strongest threat Sonic had to face. With The End from Frontiers being the second. But in the video, I agree, Super Sonic 1v1 Solaris would result in Sonic losing. Sonic had help with Super Shadow and Super Silver to defeat Solaris and Sonic had help with Sage to defeat The End.
Power scaling is a probable issue, but there are ways to make it make sense
No sonic beat Solaris by himself he just couldn't exist in past present and future at the same time that why he need shadow and silver all thee beat the own Solaris they all didn't tag team Solaris beat him they just beat their own Solaris in their time period sonic got present shadow got the past and silver got the future
@@sonicathewerehog1915... So he still needed help. Without them Solaris would just escape and win.
@@sonicathewerehog1915Yes Sonic did beat Solaris by himself but he was only able to defeat Solaris in one time period and wouldn’t have been able to do it all alone. Solaris was devouring *ALL* of time therefore Sonic would have to defeat Solaris multiple times (which he couldn’t do hence Shadow+Silver’s involvement) Therefore Solaris is stronger than Super Sonic as Sonic could not beat Solaris multiple times consecutively
hope this makes sense, it’s a bit difficult to explain lol
@@mephilesfanthis is like saying Garlick Junior is Stronger than Current Manga Gogeta because the fusión does not have a way of killing a inmortal Being, Súper Sonic IS Stronger,and thanks to Sonic's insane Power Progression,you could argue even Current Base Sonic has More Physical stats Than Solaris,at the very least, Súper Sonic IS STRONGER,he just has no way of Fully KILLING the dude
if Sega won’t bring back hyper sonic then fans are gonna Bring him back ourselves.
Ama be dead honest they should change hyper sonic to make it a silver color with purple eyes and the aura to be slight rainbow and everytime he boosts afterimagines show different colors and the rings limit doubles from super sonic instead of 1 it should be 2 rings
Or they could also have each color fade to a soft white glow before fading into the next color. This way he still has all the emerald colors, but doesn't flicker, and would likely look even better.
Yes
This one form that was merely done as a compensation after splitting the game into 2 left such an impact that we're still obsessing over it nearly 30 years after it's debut. Sega ignoring it just makes that obsession grow, with frontiers any excuse they had before lost any little credibility it had left.
If we have SUPER SONIC 2. We should have hyper sonic already...
No such thing as Super Sonic 2? What is this u speak of, explain please
@@billblaski9523the cyber super sonic of final horizon has been named super sonic 2 by the fandom
@@J_E_R_S-t6cI personally don't like the name, "Super Sonic 2". To me, it makes it sound like an evolution to Super Sonic just like how Super Saiyan 2 is an evolution on the SSJ transformation, even tho the game itself makes it clear that it's more like Kaioken (a Cyberken, if you will).
The idea of denying Hyper Sonic because they want to avoid power creep is stupid when they just add things like Cyber Corrupted Super Sonic anyway.
Frontiers set up the fact that the Chaos Emeralds are from another planet, but the Master Emerald is from Mobius. So a game that dives into the effects of the Master Emerald on these alien super stones would make sense moving forward anyway.
I do agree with them to not have hyper sonic bcs of powercreep issue.
But it's also a hipocrisy from Sega keep re-releasing the same old unified game instead of the separated ones. If they keep with the same thing, with the same hypersonic as a valid transformation, so it's real and cannon, right?
I really can't understand why they couldn't use the basic logic for simple things. Or they just couldn't accept the reality how hyper sonic it's cool and very appealing to their fanbase. If it was a massive problem, so they just could remove it from sonic origins.
i would pay extra just if hyper sonic was in a game, and also he doesnt really "flash" at all he just shifts into an assortment of colours.
One of the reasons I’ve heard is that hyper sonic would make super sonic completely redundant, which does kind of make sense since while other forms had their own things going for them, hyper sonic is just super sonic but better
Not really given how much work is needed to make Hyper happen. Getting all 7 Chaos Emeralds, giving them up to the Master Emerald Shrine, and doing more Special Stages to power up the new Super Emeralds. And that's just game mechanics. There's other reasons they could give to make Hyper something that isn't easy to initiate as Super.
I believe sonic and knuckles originally was made single in the first place was cause they wanted to release a game in time for a McDonald’s promotional deal.
The perfect way to do hyper Sonic is wait until sa3 which they most likely will do in the future. The story should be some type of multiverse which opens up for hyper Sonic to come back. Dr egg man has control over different universe etc.
Just you wait until they see the newer Sogetto transformation
I think the reason why hyper caused epilepsy was the bright flash from the nuke attack
6:14 - Did you say UI happened in 2015? That's incorrect. I was there following the news and the episode releases. I seem to recall it was late 2017, around winter or so actually.
Bro, you deserve more views, this video is really good!
The only modern hyper sonic they did make and then removed it is nazo. He is a supposed hyper sonic for modern day. And i still think when they said he was super sonic i think they meant hyper but avoid it by saying super. Since super sonic was really in the same pilot that hyper sonic was in and they really done making super sonic design since 1992. So its was really the canon modern hyper sonic we have right now and hes color is a crystall white color like.
At this point I see Hyper Sonic as just another form, over the years Sonic has had forms that only make it in one title and, poof* same thing happened with Frontiers.
The hyper thing might come back in new game for some random villain.
I would love if they brought dark sonic, silver metal sonic, metal knuckles and maybe even some unleashed honestly I'd be real satisfied with mentions of other universes of sonic in future games because I like easter eggs.
I would say DARK sonic is a lesser super but dark spine would be a more perfected and equal to super in its own way being that he pyrokenesis more in that form while he uses telekinesis more in super.
Hyper Sonic doesn’t need to come back. He’ll cause seizures to a lot of Sonic fans who have that health issue.
If SEGA bring Hyper Sonic back please make hime one color ( Preferable white with purple eyes)
Why not have him fade from color to a soft white glow before fading into the next color, like how Sonic 3 AIR handled it?
No
Hyper Sonic is canon, but it should never come back ever again.
1: Hyper doesn't doo much as a form to stand out anyway, a rainbow Super Sonic is semi cool- but unless you do some fan designs with different quill shapes cosmetically it's pretty eh.
Excalibur and Darkspine made massive changes in their abilities, design and all around cause to justify their one time inclusion in their select games.
2: Super can molly-slam all enemies in the series, Hyper coming back would be MASSIVE overkill for anyone in His way removing any little tension left in a fight.
3: once again, Darkspine and Excalibur Sonic are forms that justify their existence by just looking at them.
Darkspine is a more animalistic (far better version than Dark Sonic from X) version of Sonic with a purple and white hairdo with fire powers.
Excalibur is SONIC DRIPPED OUT OF HIS MIND WITH A GLOWING GOLDEN SWORD.
4: What they meant by introducing new forms is
"if we Hyper in, we have to make a new form eventually because of the jump in power."
not like Darkspine or Excalibur which are locked away by story reasons.
5: The new forms are usually meant to be one time gigs, so they're all put away at the end of their story.
Also never consider the fake super sonic as a decent transformation. Dark Sonic = major ass
6: Super Sonic would suffer from something I liked to call "SSJ Syndrome". If they added in say- Hyper Sonic again, what next? if super isn't enough one time just bring back hyper. then you'd run into that problem that Goku has where a new form devalues and erases the need for the first form. Like with what happened to the "legendary" Super Saiyan.
SSJ was made irrelevant by SSJ2 and so on and so forth, adding forms again and again cause problems for what the form originally meant. SSJ went from the pinnacle of Dragon Ball and anime itself to basic form anyone can unlock anytime they damn well please.
SSJ Syndrome
A form
Exactly. This is pretty much how I honestly feel about Hyper Sonic.
Yeah, while I do want the Hyper Form back, even I feel like it is overkill if added in.
@@ShermanYeo one thing people will always ignore is the fact Hyper was only meant for that specific game as an extra.
He doesn't fit thematically in a fight
You just made a Sonic version of making SSJ4 canon won't work
i respect your opinion but i disagree
just make hyper silver canon. bam! problem solved
I understand wanting Hyper Sonic too; but I feel like a lot of your arguments don’t really understand why Hyper sonic hasn’t returned despite the “hypocrisy“.
Like, there are other super forms? Yeah but they require different transformation items. Excalibur Sonic is made using, well…Excalibur. Hyper Sonic is made using the Chaos Emeralds plus the Master Emerald to boost them. If Hyper Sonic is available, so is Super Sonic, and it should be doing the job all on its own.
Which brings us to them not wanting to be like Dragon Ball. The problem isn’t that they don’t want to steal their ideas, it’s that they want to avoid the power crept form trope with Super Sonic. Super Sonic is supposed to be special in a way the yellow haired Super Saiyan 1 simply isn’t anymore; especially since Sonic only goes Super once per threat on average (although we’ll need to see if the Frontiers formula continues to change this). Super Sonic should always be the thing to save the day because of this, it should never be “not enough,” it should never “do nothing”…so there’s no reason an actual Sonic plot should go into Hyper Sonic.
The only real context I could see them using Hyper is that of its first appearance; a hard-to acquire unlock, maybe tied into a non-canon boss battle or something.
Yo I have a crazy theory but I think the writers of Frontiers were originally planning on making that blue fanged cyber form the final transformation of the game after their Hyper Sonic pitch was rejected. So to combat this they made a form that was ripped straight from Dbz just called Supper Sayain 2/ Super Sonic 2, almost to say yeah we don’t care it’s like Dbz Sega what of it?
Also Hyper Sonic is the most different form it’s not white it’s multiple colors. Unlike Super Sonic he can’t drown, He’s after and his rings burn out faster to stop Super Sonic from becoming obsolete
The only half decent point I can give this video is the abundant one-time power ups Sonic has gotten, but let me offer a rebuttal.
How many of them have stuck around? This point would be more valid if at least ONE of these new forms stuck around past their specific games. And if we let Hyper Sonic in, we have to let Ex-Calibur and Dark Spine in to stay, and that will actually lead to the power clutter SEGA has spoken out against.
The Hyper Sonic and Blue/UI Goku point really just seems like a desperate reach, especially if its over the colors of it all. Hyper HAS white in it, but its not the focal point of the aesthetic, like how white is for UI and blue for SSJBlue. And thats also ignoring that Dragon Ball has a history as early as 93, with Super Saiyan 2 on Gohan, with having an "evolution" to Super Saiyan. And this was before 3&K, which was 94.
Look, I get it, Hyper Sonic is dope as hell. I like him too, but the only way SEGA is hypocritical is if you boil down what theyre doing to a....frankly dishonest degree, and try to push an artificial similarity as fact. As cool as Hyper Sonic is, it's clear he only exists to fill the "Chaos Emerald" quota of Sonic & Knuckles, much like how the World Rings do for Secret Rings.
I appreciate your comment and your input! however let me offer a rebuttal to your rebuttal lol
1. Yes all of the forms I mentioned in this video have never stuck around BUT they do still have representation and have been featured in serval games! Sonic forces speed battle is a great example of this. Now yes that game isn't anything special but its still a form of sonic media that has at least referenced these different forms and yet they still don't show hyper sonic that same curtesy. Also these additional forms have had an in game explanation for not showing back up, but hyper sonic doesn't, all we have is what has been said in interviews and the few second cameo of the super emeralds in mania which the only reason they we even in that game was because hyper sonic was suppose to be in it!
2. Power clutter and Power creep are just excuses that don't actually matter. Its cool to use these concepts as a narrative experiment but at the end of the day non of it is real and all of these characters are just fictional. They could make a new form for sonic called SUPER PURE sonic and say that it is the only form that can stop XYZ bad guy and there wouldn't be any issue and they even did this in Sonic Frontiers where super sonic wasn't enough but if sonic goes and harness cyber power he is able to beat THE END so what is the issue with doing something similar with Hyper sonic? Having hyper sonic come back, at least once would not cause power clutter, nor will it cause some narrative meltdown, the reality of it is that Sega just doesn't want to use Hyper sonic and they are making excuses to explain there decision and they are the same company that said only male hedgehogs could go super so I mean, its not really all that far fetched.
( before anyone says it, yes I know Trip can go super, this is an exception that shows Sega is finally backing off on the rules they made which is a good thing )
3. I was specifically focusing on the fact that Sega has made the claim that they didn't want to have there game and characters become to similar too dragon ball, I know the comparison to Hyper sonic and Blue/UI Goku is a stretch and that's the point because the only alternative form Goku had at the time was SS2 which looks nothing like Hyper Sonic and the only forms that do kinda sorta look like Hyper is Blue/UI Goku. Now I'm not saying they didn't take inspiration from SS2 back in the 90's but the comparison to them doesn't hold water. The whole point of that statement is the simple fact that Sega didn't want Sonic to become too similar to dragon ball but that doesn't really mater since they don't seem to actually care, I mean now we have Super Sonic 2 and that legit is just SS2 so it doesn't really seem like it maters anymore which makes the whole argument not to bring back Hyper Sonic cause of Dragon Ball make less sense.
At the end of it all your right, Hyper sonic was only done because of S3K's setup which is fine, however the form has become so loved that giving it the modern shine one time would be amazing, and developers have already tried to do it so there is obviously a desire for Hyper Sonic, he is just a cool form that makes super sonic look boring so what's the harm in letting people have there fun for once? And all of the "reasons" that Sega has given over all of these years just seem...well... hypocritical lmao
But either way that's just how I feel about and I respect your perspective!
@@Jetter06I think the problem is that Hyper Sonic will become the new standard once it arrives and will eventually devalue Super Sonic, making it obsolete. But Powered-up and Cyber Super Sonic are Super Sonic's amplification by cyber energy. That is, it's the same Super Sonic, but with an extra boost, unlike Hyper Sonic, which is a full-fledged form. And in my opinion, this is a safer way to "canonize" Hyper Sonic.
One problem I have with hyper sonic is that it cause seizures
Hyper Sonic could have been kept reserve for Frontiers.
He doesn’t
Screw dragon balls. We need our boy sonic to unleash his true abilities that is obviously beyond super sonic transformation. For me it would be a perfect idea to show ultra sonic first instead of hyper sonic. If you didn't know, ultra sonic is a super form that is used in the archie comics and it needs only one super emerald to use that transformation. And oh boy ultra sonic can clap any other super form sonic has and even all of goku's forms even MUI, becuase ultra sonic can basically do anything. He can control molecules of any living or non thing. Also he is literally invulnerable to all threats, physical or magical. He can manipulate time and space, and he has freaking wish powers and there is no limits
Sega probably won't be showing comic book forms. Game power levels are scaled down hard from the comics anyhow, to make fun gameplay. If Super is being used for each boss fight, then it only makes sense to use Hyper for the final boss and hidden uber bosses, as it's a way to take it up a notch so that the player isn't using the exact same power up for every fight in the game. Although I do think it ought to be capped at Hyper.
@@mikerude5073 you are right
@@mikerude5073 Sega also probably doesn't want to aknowledge the Archie Comics anymore for... reasons.
@@wildberrysherbert3803 It's probably for the best, making the comics canon is gonna mess up the franchise's lore
The comics are canon. It's just the Archie comics aren't canon.
9:33 Or just use the scrapped Hyper Sonic design from Sonic X
Nazo..
Why sega didn't added hyper sonic in every other sonic games like sega says "oh hyper sonic is too op and is like super sonic and he have too flashing screens so we cancelled hyper forms
Hyper Sonic cannot drown
But hyper sonic came before super sayain
No he was after
Bruh, he was after. Super sonic was in sonic 2 and hyper sonic was in sonic 3
He didnt
Super saiyan came out in 1991, hyper sonic in 1994 and even then super sonic came out in 1992
I went on and googled it, and Super Saiyan came first before Super Sonic.
Super Saiyan: Released in March 1991
Super Sonic: Released in November 1992
nah your wrong
dragon ball DOES care about them taking inspiration
toryama( author of dragonball) literaly LIKES the fact that antoher franchise is taking inspiration from his 🤣
I HATE SEGA FOR NO MORE HYPER
Same. I know you can just play through the second part as super sonic or super knuckles, but the temptation is always there. One of the blue spheres levels is pretty tricky but i usually clear em in one go still.
Super nickpicky but sonic DID 1v1 solaris. All the hedgehogs fought him at 3 different points in time. Sonic only needed help because he couldn't be in 3 places at once
I want Hyper Sonic back. But if it means having unwinnable fights... every single... time.
Then no, it can stay dead. Again I'd love to see it back again, but I can already hear the complaining from people.
Your idea is good, but the point you made about it ruining reality will just ruin hyper sonic. For me, i loved sonic for super. Im not kidding. Being able to transform anytime you want into a powerful form is so amazing and cool, but if it ruins reality, then it will be locked behind bosses. And also you are giving an idea for sega to use to say "uhh yeah he ruins reality so sonic stopped using hyper"
they don't bring him back because he's too strong, simple as that
Forget these fan interpretations, he is not "white," he is supposed to flash each color of the emeralds consecutively while also flashing in and out of white like Super Sonic. While every color does indeed makes white when put together, Hyper Sonic instead flashed the colors of the emeralds consecutively, not simultaneously. This always bothers me and I know it is stupidly ridiculous of me jajaja.
He is really white in modern day. Nazo for example is a supposed design of modern hyper sonic. And he was not really a super sonic because ss was already in the same pilot that hyper was in. If you ask me i think when they said he was super sonic i think they meant he is hyper. But avoid the word hyper. Like when they did to hyper amy in sonic origins.
You make a valid point. My suggestion was that he should fade from color to a white glow, then fade into the next color. That would avoid any flickering. Sonic 3 AIR handled it perfectly. That and he needs the rotating star emission effect too.
To be honest, out of all the sonic games over the years, hyper should have only came back to series just to beat The End from Sonic Frontiers honestly. Because super sonic is already a god as is so there would be no point in putting him in the past games because it just wasn’t necessary.
I totally agree with you, at this point the only time I could see Hyper coming back in a meaningful way would be in SA3 if it ever happens
@@Jetter06 So true! Because if they do decide to make SA3 in the future and the next threat may be as strong or stronger than The End, I’d say they will have no choice but to put Hyper Sonic in or unless they do something similar like in frontiers and give him another source of power, but it all depends on Sega to be honest.
The End would've been the PERFECT time to bring Hyper back. There's even a Master Emerald on Ares Island. Shattered, but they could've done something with it.
I vote Hyper Sonic
theres 1 form stronger then hyper ultra sonic
That’s two Super Emeralds to make that.
Hyper Sonic can cause seizures.
You're being a parrot who assumed it was true, from another parrot, who also never looked into it.
1. Why would Sega rerelease S3&K with the form in Origins if that were the case?
2. If the flickering colors was an issue they could always slow down the color cycle and have each color fade to a soft white glow before fading into the next color. It would still look cool.
They can make hyper sonic have a white color with hints of very light other colors, with rainbow trail or holo protections with colors moving in a rhythm motions, like the thumbnail for this video, a lot of artists imagin and made that way, so hyper sonic color swapping won't cause seizures. So that's not a good excuse anymore.
@@limemaster6952Agreed. There's plenty of ways to give him a white glow and represent all of the emerald colors without flickering. I'm amazed that people always blurt out out the seizure thing without even considering it doesn't need to flicker.